i'm sure president carter is not on twitter. thanks for watching. we're all punchy and were up too late last night. my thanks to you all. i'm nicolle wallace and now to "hardball." >> let's play "hardball"! >> good evening. i'm chris matthews, back in washington. last night a star was born, her name was kamala harris. and joking about russian interference in the election. and a story about sexual assault backed up by two friends who say she told them about the attack at the time it allegedly happened. first-up, the democratic debates of 2020 are history now

and the race is facing a shake-up powered by a dominant performance senator kamala harris may have up ended the democratic field last night. in the most searing of the night, harris put the front-runner, former vice president joe biden, on the defensive using her prosecutor skills to cut through his defense of working with southern segregationist senators back in the '70s. >> it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two united states senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country. it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing. you know, there was a little girl in california who was part of the second class to integrate her public school, and she was bussed to school everyday. and that little girl was me.

>> well, minutes later, her campaign tweeted out a picture of her. there she was, as a young girl in california. biden argued her comments were a mischaracterization of his record and at an event today he made a point to address that. >> i heard and i listened to and i respect senator harris. but we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime committed to civil rights. i want to be absolutely clear about my record and position on racial justice, including busing. i never, never ever opposed voluntary busing. as a program that senator harris participated in and made a difference in her life. i did support federal action to address root causes in segregation in our schools and communities including taking on the banks and red lining and trying to change the ways in which neighborhoods were

segregated. i've always been in favor of using federal authorities to overcome state initiated segregation. >> last night, senator harris said she respects the former vice president and does not believe he is a racist. the "new york times" says the confrontation between the two of them could signal a change in the contest noting it illustrated mr. biden's vulnerability and the urgency his rivals feel to start sewing doubts with his voters. i'm joined by barbara box of california. and white house correspondent from the cbs news hour and joy reid and others. let me start with joy reid on this. what about your reaction when you watched it? >> my reaction is i thought kamala harris came not just

debate but to win. she was looking joe biden in the eye and going after the very popular former vice president. there's two things i think this signals as vulnerability for joe biden. number one, it made it clear he is a candidate of the past, a nostalgic candidate. the era bind and some of his contemporaries are nostalgic for is an era of compromises between one white leader and another excluded in a lot of ways, people of color and it casts kamala harris as that generational hinge, one of the people who suffered as a result. second, it punctured the idea joe biden would be the best person to go up against donald trump in a debate. kamala harris threw him off. he didn't seem to have an answer prepared. he had to know someone would ask. the one black woman of color, if

she asks it you better have an answer. the fact he resident ready for it shakes this idea he's a teflon debater that will go at donald trump because he really wasn't ready for her. >> i think one is his performance, both on target. if i were to write another book of ""hardball,"" i would put a chapter in, a combination of prosecutorial skill, which is trained and the personal story to go with it. with somebody, defend their life and harm they felt as a young kid being bus and facing the hatred of those who didn't want busing. >> this exchange between joe biden and kamala harris went to the core issues of the democratic party and at stake in this primary. first, she started off by saying, as the only black woman on this stage, i want to talk about race hand to interject. she told a super personal story looking him dead in the face,

you need to hear my pain. this is what your generation did to my generation. while eric was talking about passing the torch, these are the consequences of your actions and you could have hurt me as a little girl. her campaign is riding this momentum and rolling on endorsements from iowa and south carolina, i think they saw kamala harris someone able to take on joe biden and president trump. >> this is planned, the pictures ready to be put out, there is nothing wrong wit but that is what politics is. >> it shows they were ready for the moment. >> watching the former vice president, do you feel he had an adequate answer to you emotionally, historically, to what you were raising? >> i think that he -- i would like to hear him acknowledge what was wrong about a perspective on busing, that was

a perspective i believe he had at that time. busing was part of what was necessary to integrate the schools of america. to then fall back on, what's the state's responsibility versus the federal government, that leaves the need to really address the fact that it was just wrong. >> you thought he was hedging? >> we have a different perspective on it. >> your thoughts last night about the performance of your former colleague, joe biden? >> i think kamala, who replaced me in the senate showed what a great debater he is -- she is. i have to say something here. everyone is dumping on joe biden. it's happened from day one. i haven't endorsed anyone. may the best person win. i have to say a couple of things here. kamala said at one point, a great line, she said, the american people don't want a food fight. they want us to talk about how to put food on the table, and

then she opened up. this very tough fight with joe biden who in 2019 just won an award for his lifetime in civil rights, who kamala invited to colonel to california in 2016, and her quote was, the biden family represents the highest ideals. so this was planned. it was an attack. the last point i will make about busing, i happen to agree with kamala on the issue of busing. guess what. if you go back to the polls at the time the "washington post" just did a story on, only 9% of african-americans supported involuntary busing. overall, only 5% of the people did. kamala, look back on it, she has a personal story. i believe everything she said, but she cut deep into the heart of joe biden, who is a good person. i think she's opened up a lot of scrutiny on what she did when she was prosecutor, i'm sure

she's ready for, but i personally, i just -- i'm hoping that we would turn our fire on donald trump. that's my view. i may be in the minority. >> let me go to joy. you're a different generation of me or the senator. i want to ask you about this. i do think it's one of those things, in both cases you had to be there. you had to be her at 6 years old in california and have parents say their white kids can't play with you and be in a situation where you're hated snuenough because of your ethnicity, they don't want you going to their schools and have that seared into you. i said, do you still feel that? >> she said, yes. >> biden at an age of 29 or 30 at the u.s. senate, i was working back then. they're all segregationists. the democratic party pretending they weren't the segregationist parties. the food of southern cooking and

grits and the only way to get the way with the old farts was to deal with them. he hasn't said that. and bobby kennedy, too, sweet talk them and drink their bourbon. i guess it is a hard to explain it to young people of color, who had no idea, had greater challenges like biden or me, that challenge was legislative. you didn't get a damned thing done unless you kissed up to these awful people like eastland. what do you think? they both had experiences different. excuse my french. >> chris, it is interesting you put it that way. go back to fdr, who had to deal with southern segregation with southern democrats and ways african-americans didn't benefit to get it through and then look at lbj who had to go through his

region of southern democrats. that history is real. kamala harris is only a little bit older than my sister. my sister was bussed, one of the first classes bussed in colorado. there was such an antipathy of having little black kids mine town to come into white parts of denver, they built a middle and high school to keep us there. they didn't want us bussed out there. i remember growing up. colorado is not mississippi, not this far right. they had the klan. bottom line being the problem you're describing, chris, this is a very generational divide. at the time that joe biden was practicing politics, in his heyday as a legislator, everyone in the room was white and male. whether they were segregationists white and male or anti-segregationists white and male, they were all white and male. they didn't have to deal with the diversity within their own

caucus to get things done. they could do handshakes among them. the end of the day, the worst case scenarios was them and their kids and grandkids. and if the new deal excluded black people, it didn't hurt the roosevelts, it hurt people like me. the reality is now what congress is, a much more racial in congress of the democratic party in congress and out. the democratic party is the multi-racial party and joe biden, whose maydheyday is with white males and frankly, younger generations won't tolerate handshake deals. >> i think your points are right. i think today in the days of the old days you had to deal with the eastlands and mcclellans and

fulbrights, a segregationist. today, you have a whole different reality of the democratic coalition and power coalition has shifted dramatically to people of color and to the left, actually. >> absolutely. what i don't understand, i agree with what everybody has stated including senator boxer, who said democrats need to figure out way to beat up on president trump and not each other. context matters. when you get to the senate, you're 29 years old, they're segregationist, that's who you have to deal with not because they're segregationists but senators. context matters and so does recognizing the change in the democratic party and our country. he could have easily said that was a different time and i'm not that man anymore. he could have said that night. he could have said i had to make decisions based on the time at that time and the white and black community at that time. what i don't understand why he doesn't walk away from some of

those things because he could and get the benefit of the doubt. people like him. 48% of african-american voters going into that supported senator biden. >> you know joe, even when he was pretending he was neil kinnock speech, he never apologized for that. should he have said i shouldn't have gone with busing and that alliance. he didn't back off this today, by the way, senator. >> i did listen to his speech. what he was trying to say, overall, he was pushing hard to make sure everybody could have fairness and justice and equality. it is hard for joe to say the words all politics hate to say, i was wrong. the thing is, what saved him so far, remember, every single pun

did said he's take doing long to get in the race and when he goes in the race he really be done, done his first gaffe he will be gone, he's done three or four gaffes. we don't know this. i would say to you, people know joe. we will decide are they more annoyed at him because he can't say, i'm sorry, or do they still forev forgive him, as they have so far and say he's still the best one to pull it off. i think the key to this and the key is african-american voters, what do they think about this? i think it will be fascinating to see what happens in the polls to come. they're a very strong part of his base. guess what? i don't know what's going to happen so i'm standing by. >> we have two african-american people i want to hear from them. joy, first. i've been thinking all night, is this like barack obama able to

beat hillary clinton among african-american voters because they picked a potential winner. does kamala harris look like a potential winner to take all the marbles right now? >> the problem is, in this scenario, joe biden is hillary clinton, not barack obama. this is a generational divide. older african-americans are four square for joe. they know him. >> but what about kamala harris? >> that's exactly it. black voters under 50 are shopping anyway. they will look at kamala harris and see a president. that's what sunk hillary clinton. i looked at all the factors that affected donald trump, it was nostalgia? can democrats beat nostalgia with nostalgia or do they need to beat it with change. last night, kamala harris is change and joe biden is nostalgia. >> totally political but the ethnic piece is part of that.

did the young african-americans see somebody who could knock the block off donald trump? >> i think they were seeing her as qualified and i think last night saw her even more qualified. there are people worried after barack obama they got donald trump in there, whether they're ready for that. whether the nation is ready for a woman or african-american, she put that to bed last night because she was able to go after joe biden in a hard way. i want to quickly say when we talk about representation or people of color, it's not gone away. there are definitely schools not integrated and majority white. and people saying the school i send my child to is integration issues and still only one black woman in the senate. the power shift is still largely white and male, you look at the democratic party. >> chris, can i tell you, last

night after the debate, pull up that video. who was crowded around kamala harris after the debate? black women. >> i noticed that, too. there was such a vivid picture last night of biden putting his head down after being whacked by her. why was he putting his head down? what was that about. thank you. i agree with joy most of the time because i think things are moving in that direction. i think biden didn't look like he could beat trump last night. that younger woman, the prosecutor with a personal story, which she didn't have in the earlier fights with bret cavanaugh and bill barr, this time she had a personal witness to bring to it, not just a professional. i think that gave her the equipment to win last night like i've never seen anybody win. this is the biggest knockout since lloyd benson knocked out dan quayle. thank you former senator barbara boxer and joy's new book, trump

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2020 in a bilateral meeting with vladamir putin after the attack in 2016. here's what he said after being asked by nbc, telling putin not to meddle in the 2020 election. here's how he reacted. while trump's comments are similar to helsinki last year when he denied his own government in 2016 directly. it comes after nbc news said if offered for dirt on an opponent he'd take it. and come miss rating with putin by knocking the press as the fake news. that exchange difficult to hear was captured by russian state tv before the united states media entered the room.

here goes. here goes. >> i'm joined now by david coin and editor and chief of the bulwark. i don't think you can capture this in satire. i don't think anybody has seen anything like it. here he is, a guy who grew up in the cold war, knows what the russians are about and kgb is about and we know what soviet media is, government control by the government, you screw around, you're dead. here he is chuckling with this guy about our free media compared to russian state media, where you don't have free media, beyond vomit. >> there's no historical

parallel. everyone thinks helsinki is the bottom but here there is no bottom. you have the president of the united states joking and making fun of this whole issue. understand the president not only thinks he was vindicated, he got away with the russian conspiracy, that he was vindicated by the mueller report which he was not. because of that, he's making light of it. this is one of the reasons why the democrats in congress need to move ahead more aggressively, because this is a pret who, number one -- president, who, number one, is making light of it and sending a signal to the world and vladamir putin, that he's not taking it seriously, treating it like a joke and will not aggressively protect the integrity of next year's election and in itself might be an impeachable offense. making fun of those indicted

with the russian operations, 25 or so, he's denying all of that. the russians were trying to screw with our license. >> stunned silence doesn't work well on tv so i will have to come up with some words here. he's been saying from the beginning, throughout the campaign, even announced by the u.s. government russia was doing this, he kept saying, no, they're not n. he aided and abetted the attack with his own denials and comes through with the mueller report. he has never taken this seriously. as you said before, he played ball, winked at them, said go ahead, get -- >> this is a love story. >> the house democrats need to do something. charlie is right. i can't believe i always agree with him these days. he gets away with this because not a single republican comes out and says, mr. president, you are wrong, you need to protect the election and putting our own journalists at risk, too.

no one complains he's letting a cult and doing whatever he can to protect himself. >> somebody on "nightline" in the old days put somebody on from russia, there's no free commentary from russia. controlled by the state. they don't have a first amendment. here's trump laughing with vlad about our media, saying, you don't have this problem. what does that mean? >> also, keep in mind -- >> what does it mean with republicans -- >> where they murder journalists. this is part of the problem of i'm starting to use the term, normalization, we've become numb to all of this, numb to this outrage, how he behaves on the national stage. in russia, vladamir putin murders journalists. this is absolutely stunning.at republican willing to stand up against this.

unless congress moves aggressively to say, we don't think this is a joke, the president will continue to brush it off. by the way, chris, i'm glad you're devoting a segment to this so we don't spend the entire news cycle talking about the democrats circular firing squad because we still have a president of the united states not fulfilling his number one constitutional responsibility which is to protect this country from its enemies. >> i'd rather celebrate a true drark event like last night's debate than this. i want to ask you about this nbs thing. president trump had a friendly moment with saudi arabia mohammed bin salman who appeared center stage for the photographs. here are the bobsy twins. the "washington post" says it's a far cry than the isolation the prince faced last summer in the

wake of the khashoggi killing. >> trump is fine with that. he's fine with kim in north korea. he likes authoritarians. why? he has no values. they asked him, what are the president's values? can you describe them? he said, i cannot. he has one value, trump. >> we will get to this later in this show. here's a president, it's unbelievable what goes on. lindsey graham says, if trump denies it, it didn't happen. that's how the republican party behaves. all it takes is a denial, that didn't happen. it's a notion of metaphysics, it didn't actually happen because he said it didn't happen.

what reality is that, charlie? that's a weird new notion. >> this is what hannah described, after a while the lies isn't necessarily to make you believe one another but made to make you doubt the truth of your ability to use your critical thinking what is true. we are in that moment right now, we're all part of donald trump's pathology. this is not a personality quirk alone, this is a president of the united states who is dangerous. david's point about his fascination with authorityian thuggary is really crucial here. donald trump clearly has this fascination with people like putin and mbs and disdain for our closest allies. it has consequences. at some point, somebody like lindsey graham has to understand what this means for our role in the world. there are consequences to those

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welcome back to "hardball." after months of negotiations, former special counsel robert mueller has agreed to testify to congress about the findings of his investigation. it's a big opportunity for democrats who promise to quote bring the mueller report to life. but have failed so far to secure key witnesses. mueller is now set to appear before the house judiciary and intelligence committees next month in what could be the most consequential hearings of trump's presidency. meanwhile, former president jimmy carter made headlines today by questioning the legitimacy of president trump's very election. >> there's no doubt that the russians did interfere in the election and i think the interference although not yet quantified, would show trump didn't actually win the election in 2016, he lost the election and put into office because the russians interfered on his behalf. >> you believe president trump is an illegitimate president?

>> based on what i just said, which i can't retract. >> this comes after trump spoke favorably of former president carter in his interview with "meet the press" last week. let's listen to that. >> i like jimmy carter. jimmie carter has oftentimes come to my defense. i don't necessarily agree with the way he ran things and he mine, but he came to my defense the most on several occasions and thinks i was treated the worst by the press. >> just after carter's comments, president trump made the joke about russia meddling in our elections. up next, the supreme court hands down split decisions with huge implications for our democracy saying they won't stop north carolina's gerrymandering

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distributing leads results that reasonably seem unjust but the fact that such gerrymandering is incompatible with democratic principles does not require redistricting. representative for the common cause whose plaintiff was the person at the center of yesterday's supreme court ruling. what is the supreme court ruling they will not administer justice. >> that's the problem. the supreme court is saying this is not their fight. we live in a democracy where every vote should count and every voice should matter. quite frankly, the supreme court took the cowardly route here. >> i grew up with one man one vote effectively. that was getting involved in how we draw maps. >> absolutely. chief justice roberts looks at those cases, in his opinion, saying they're different somehow.

as justice kagan says in her s dissent, they're not that different. >> what's the problem? are the courts afraid or just republicans? >> people speculated for a lot of things. it's important the court judiciary is not involved in politics and there is a conservative branch and liberal branch. the conservatives were looking for republican power. personally, i hope that's not the case but it's hard to tell. >> what about this other decision about the census and asking the citizenship question. what are the president's prerogatives at this point. he said he will put it off. >> he can't do that to a certain point. the federal constitution and united states constitution says every 10 years we have to have a census. the census act says that census count starting in 1980 has to

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it's been a little less than a week since e. jean carroll and prominent author and guest of my old show in the old days accused president trump of assaulting her in the 1990s. in an excerpt in the "new york" magazine, she said he allegedly assaulted her and forced himself on her in a department store dressing room. yesterday, two of her friends went on the record in the "new york times" to back up her story. lisa and another accounted their conversations at the time with an accident with carroll. in this conversation, lisa talks about her initial conversation with carroll. >> it was horrible. we thought, and i said, let's go to the police. no. come to my house. no. i want to go home. i'll take you to the police. no. it was 15 minutes of my life. it's over. don't ever tell anybody. i just had to tell you.

>> on tuesday of this week, two republican senators said the allegations should be taken seriously. utah senator, mitt romney, told cnn it's very serious allegation. i hope it is fully evaluated. the president said it didn't happen. i certainly hope that's the case. iowa senator, joni ernst, who recently revealed she was raped in college told cnn obviously there has to be some additional information and they need to interview her and him. author, e. jean carroll for, "what do we mean men for"? i don't mean to be jocular. i haven't seen you in a while, not perhaps for this reason but the book. what did you make of mitt romney, a hard guy to read sometimes because of his values and politics, coming out saying we need to take a look at this

case. >> chris, it was heartening, buoyed up my spirit and love he spoke out. i'm so happy to see you again, chris, we go back to the days -- >> america's talking. >> america's talking. you led us. you were a columnist, remember? >> sure. san francisco examiner and chronicle. >> roger ailes put you on the air. that's right. >> will you cooperate if you're called by the senate, joanie erts of iowa or mitt romney -- joni ernst of utah, will you cooperate with the senate if you're called to testify about the case? >> absolutely. 100%. >> have you, since the incident occurred, in any way contacted or been contacted through mutual friends or whatever, has trump shown any knowledge of this thing happening to you? >> pardon me? what do you mean? >> has he through any means?

conversation, say hello for me or you know how it works? >> no. >> has he shown any recognition of you as a human being? >> no. none. >> zero? >> no. >> have you been able -- i was trying came forward now. i was thinking maybe it was in the process of giving advice to women who have had terrible situations and you've been their counselors. >> you nailed it. that's exactly it. since jody cantner hit "the new york times" with the harvey weinstein story, my column was flooded with women asking me if they should go forward and report their boss. should they call the police about their son-in-law? e. jean, help me. i feel terrible because i've had this secret and here these women are. i love these women. i love my correspondents.

i just hadn't been straight with them. i hadn't been straight so i had to come forward. >> i'm starting to think about -- i think i understand. i'm going to guess, you tell me if i'm right. you're not nobody. you're a figure, people know your name, they know you're a professional. you were able to go through the ropes in the media. you knew how to do it. if you wanted to put this story out you could have done it. is it because you didn't want to be known as the woman who was raped? >> i'm not a victim. i'm a woman who went through a very short period of time where an event happened and i think of it as a fight and so i wanted -- i could have come forward, chris, flanked with attorneys, maybe famous attorneys who represented women who have suffered sexual violence. i could have spoken to a press

conference. i wanted to control my story. i wanted to control every word of it. then i gave it out. i think that is a good way for women to proceed. >> you know, i was thinking about what you wanted to say. it wasn't anything like romans. anything of what we think of as sex positively, enjoyable in that sense. it was like you didn't -- you didn't want it to see like dominant franken and the fountain head where she's raped by the guy and said oh, this is great. remember that scene? >> it's -- it's emblazoned on my brain, yeah. it's -- well, here's -- the lead up to the scene was very flirtatious, delightful. we were bantering back and forth. we were telling jokes. i was delighted that i, you know, had run into donald trump and he had asked my advice about buying a present and, chris, to me it was funny. it was a funny scene that we

would end up in the lingerie department. to me it was just getting better and better. i was going to have a great story to dine out on. it was going to be, you know -- >> i get it. i watched that. let me ask you about fifth avenue. this president's given us evidence i don't believe your story and i believe you. the contemporary accounts you gave people certainly gives it validity and genuineness and truth. but donald trump said i can shoot somebody on fifth avenue and get away with it. here he committed this sexual assault on fifth avenue. it's unbelievable. >> i hadn't thought of that. that's exactly right. you know, i basically was shot in that dressing room. he basically shot me. ever since that event has happened i've never -- i've never been with another man. it's been 25 years. so he shot something in me, even though i jumped back up, my chin

is up, i'm smiling, i certainly have moved on, he did shoot -- he did -- he did kill something in me. >> e. jean, thank you. >> thank you, chris. >> you are -- you are a survivor and a great person and i'm glad you told this story because someone of your intellect and media connections and sophistications and savvy is the right word. if someone doesn't come out, what about the little person. >> exactly. >> no knowledge of how to deal with this? >> exactly. >> thank you, chris. >> thank you, chris. >> you are great. you are a great person. i remember the glory days. >> what fun we had. >> the crazy shows we had. >> oh, my gosh. >> thank you so much, e. jean carroll for coming on. >> what the democratic candidates told me moments after stepping off that debate stage last night. you're watching "hardball." ♪ limu emu & doug

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most of them afterwards. here are some of the highlights. >> i've got senator kamala harris here for an amazing night in history, i thought tonight. >> if those men, those segregationists had had their way, i would not be a member of the united states senate and i certainly would not be a serious candidate for president of the united states. >> an image like that, of that father and his young daughter, anybody can relate to that. >> is the reason nobody attacked biden tonight is they all want to be his running mate? >> i would not accept it if a male offered me because we should have a female vice president. >> it's always dangerous for men to talk about reproductive rights. >> i'm the only one on the stage that has led reproductive rights, we were like, that's when i said there's three women on this stage. >> our big chance in 2020 is not to try to roll back the clock, not to come up with some small ideas about making a change here and a change over there, it's to make big systemic change.

>> the spin room is heaven. that's "hardball" for the big week. thanks for joining us. stay with us on msnbc. good evening, i'm donny deutsch. i'm thrilled to be here. there are exactly 493 days until the presidential election. we're going to go through the week's top stories and how they might shape the 493 days. lots to cover. this is "saturday night politics." we have a great group with us tonight. before i introduce them. if you have watched this show before, you know i like to send good tidings to my former friend, donald trump. we've build a wall. it's our additional guest here. a roadmap to wrap up and lands the week's top stories. kamala the