better, faster. i mean sign me up. comcast business. beyond fast. all right. thank you so much for watching. "up with david gura" starts right now. >> this is "up," i'm david gura. president trump made history and became the first sitting president to go to north korea. >> i didn't expect to see you in this place. >> it should pave the way to another meeting in washington. >> we'd invite him right now. to the white house. absolutely. >> this weekend, two of the democratic candidates are in texas, continuing a fight over immigration policy that broke

out on the debate stage in miami. >> we need to stop playing games with people seeking asylum. >> it's sunday, june 30th. that first debate is in the books. it's an opportunity for the candidates to introduce themselves and their policies to millions of americans. >> my plan is to gather all of the sage in america and to burn it. my plan is to harness the energy of babies, to finally put a man on the moon. and i said to the president of new zealand, i said, girlfriend, you're so odd. and i would say to donald trump, boyfriend, you're chill. thank you. >> this morning, with annette lopez. dave is a correspondent for "new york" magazine. and dominic, back from aspen, host of standup on seirius/xm. president trump, the first

and only president that has set foot in north korea. listen to this exchange between the president and north korea's leader speaking through an interpreter. >> good to see you again. i never expected to meet you at this place. if you step over, you're the first president to cross. >> president trump floated this on twitter one day earlier. >> stepping across that line was a lot of progress. a lot of friendships have been made. this is a great friendship. i want to thank. that was quick notice. i want to thank you. >> the two leaders met for almost an hour. afterwards, they said the meeting will lead to more talks, talks that ended abruptly in

south vietnam. first, the g20 and to the korean peninsula. what happened here? the president making this seem like it was an ad hoc thing. what's the white house saying the takeaway from this should be? what do they think happened here in north korea? >> this was an unpredictable few days. we woke up to a tweet from president trump. we didn't know the president was going to go to the dmz. there had been speculation about that. from there, the question was, would kim jong-un xaccept this? the north koreans being cagey about it. it was an interesting proposal but not one they were going to accept. and was it clear to us, was this something they laid the

groundwork for before. or was it a spur of the moment thing. because he has a relationship with kim jong-un, the north korean leader made that trek from pyongyang to the border for the unprecedented meeting. stepping foot into north korean soil and talking about nuclear proliferations. a lot of national security hawks, skeptics about the president's diplomacy, have been pointing out, this is a photo op that gives credit to kim jong-un. there hasn't been progress on north korea. and the president saying there's been peace under his leadership. we know there have been missile tests. let's listen to what president trump had to say today about the missile tests. >> these are missiles that

practically every country tests. we don't consider that a missile test. actually, it wasn't a test. we're talking about ballistic missiles. not testing them hasn't come close to testing them. and there was no nuclear tests. >> the president and his talks within weeks. >> all right. thanks. joining us from seoul. let me pick up on something the president said there. every country tests these questions. it's like the president acts like north korea is like any other country in the world. >> this is a photo op. there may be more talks. the reason that everyone on earth has problems with what the president is doing, is it's a

normalization of north korea, and kim jong-un, who is known as a brutal dictator, not just another leader. you saw in that image. senior white house aides in the background, stone-faced. >> that probably says something. >> definitely says something there. it's a question of normalization here. remember, kim jong-un is not just another world leader. >> what did you observe in that? >> it's the whole thing i was observing at g20, it comes to murderous dictators, to the bad guys of the world stage, donald trump is like the little dog at the dog park, running around, following the big dogs. he is cozying up to leaders who

are using him to make their points on the world stage. they're driving policy. he is not driving policy. this is overshadowing the news that came out this weekend. which was, hostilities have paused between the two countries. this was another example of donald trump not setting agenda. he is following kim. not able to set the agenda. he's vipping at their wheels. >> there's a phrase he says over and over again. he keeps saying, it's a great honor to be with vladimir putin. now, to be with kim jong-un.

>> to be fair, he has a limited vocabulary. you are calling kim jong-un a murderous dictator. that's accurate. he is the worst world leader. we're not the little dog at the dog park. >> we're acting like the little dog and it's crazier that way. all his father and grandfather, all they wanted to do was meet an american president. i thought he was going to hold hands with him. the history here. the north koreans are getting everything they want. we only want denuclearization and all we are giving them is propaganda wins.

>> every time i see mick mulv e mulvan mulvaney, i am reminded that he said that donald trump is a terrible person. >> steve beigun said he is waiting for the phone to ring. where is a guy like that left after something like this? there were excellent letters. clearly, something could be hashed before all this took place. where is he in all this now? >> it's unclear. there's been reporting about back channels. it's unclear where people dealing with this issue are.

this speaks to a broader issue going on. there's not one trump doctrine as we've talked about for four years. since he started running. there's not one anywhere. look at china saying, well, if the united states is not going to have a coherenherencoherent, doctrine. >> the other doctrine is, if there are conditions negotiated by this guy or anybody else, the doctrine there is he will cut them out at their feet. he will reverse it. the president negotiates something differently. how can you get any of that? >> there is no moral anything. there's no consideration of values. no this person is bad, this person is good, this is what america stands for and this is

what america doesn't stand for. look at the hong kong protests that went down the last couple of weeks. this is an opportunity for the united states to stand up and say, we do not believe of encroachment of a totalitarian museum. this is a chance for a chance for us to stand up for democracy. this is what we believe in as a country. donald trump is like, i don't know if that's my business. >> busy insulting america's hero, megan rapinoe. >> the president saying, he understands me and i understand him. sometimes that leads to good things. i want to ask you about the consistency of the inconsistency. tim o'brien of bloomberg said, this worked for a while. keeping world leaders wondering what he is going to do. >> well, there is an idea that for a long time, people thought he was trying to keep everyone on their toes.

when he goes and describes kim jong-un he's a very good friend, there is this vacuum of leadership, you have xi jinping and putin, saying, the united states is not going to have a major role. we need to step in economically, and diplomatically. >> it's stupid or stupid like a fox. there was never a real plan. as somebody who covers the economy, it was obvious from the beginning. >> the worst outcome is that the world questions america. the leader is propping up the worst leaders in the world. and disrespecting our world friends. >> yeah. >> that's upsetting.

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her caucus to support a senate bill on the u.s./mexico border. as the representatives passed that legislation by a wide margin, more republicans voted for it than democrats, which is astonishing, since democrats control the house of representatives. more liberal members of her cauc caucus. the hispanic caucus said it will not target this betrayal. as we pass the senate bill, we will do so with a battle cry as to how we go forward. there's a schism within the house caucus. and the schism that has opened up between nancy pelosi and chuck schumer in the senate. >> nancy pelosi is in charge of

the pufull house. but the democrats are run by mitch mcconnell. the democratic senators have different incentives than a lot of the house democrats do, more aggressive in many cases. there is not a direct conversation or a direct line, that there is between pelosi and schumer. and the senate democrats had to agree with senate republicans on this. that's where we ended up where we are. house democrats are furious. many of them with what happened here. not because they passed a conservative bill, but they were betrayed by fellow democrats on an issue that is of utmost importance. >> nancy pelosi saw the images and the news stories about these facilities. we know the humanitarian crisis is worse along the u.s./mexico border. >> we have to do something and we have to be loud about it. we have to demonstrate to the american people, that we are taking issue with the republican

policies on this. and we are trying to take the country in a new direction. i say we because, like, as a lati latina, this is one of the most upsetting things i've seen in my entire life. this was a democrats' chance to stand up for us. and as a voting bloc, it doesn't look good. you have candidates on stage speaking spanish and trying to win the latino vote. if you want to save the latino vote, save our kids. >> where do we go from here? what's your sense of fallout for this? >> i think this is the first fissure we've seen in the democratic house caucus led by nancy pelosi. they were lockstep in the

shutdown and preventing the wall funding. but there's a wide array of ideology in the house. it's important to remind people of history. i like to do that at every opportunity i can. in 2013, they passed legislation. nancy pelosi took this vote up. it doesn't look good for her. a lot of the progressive democrats, we're seeing, not trusting the administration to do the right thing with this money. >> this is what i don't get. we have a progressive congressman on. nancy pelosi is taking mike pence at face value here. there is a fear that by allocating the country, the white house will play with it. it won't go to humanitarian issues, it will go to the wall and other things.

why that blind faith? >> i don't think it is blind faith. they're saying, we're playing with the cards we have. this is the administration we have. we have to deal with them one way or another. >> they have realized that pelosi allies, you can't trust them. there's no easy answer here. the alternative was to have no funding whatsoever. she is saying, this may not be ideal whatsoever. but we have to pass something to have funding down there. we're not going to trust the white house. if you're nancy pelosi, that's what she is saying. but you have to do something. >> you see these things change in the detention center. journalists, we don't know. we can't get inside. they're being run for profit. where is this money going? it shouldn't be $750 a day for one of these children. that's what it is.

coming up, how the 2020 is pushing ahead after the debate dust-up. first, here's trevor noah on what we saw play out during that debate. >> it was the same telenovella we started last night. >> i want to say good evening to mayor buttigieg. >> mayor beef up the spanish. hey. you know beto o'rourke was going, these gringos are stealing my swag. direct messages have evolved.

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this is "up." i'm david gura. and in the first 2020 debate, candidates were trying to make moments for people to remember. they addressed racist attacks on social media. today will be a fund-raising deadline for the candidates. joe biden had the most speaking time over the two nights. he spoke for 13 minutes in total. andrew yang spoke the least a.

of time. tulsi gabbard was the most-searched candidate on night one. 15.3 million people watched night one of the debate. 18 million on night two. 2020 presidential hopefuls are trying to bottle up the momentum from the debate. many of them are on the road, in iowa, new hampshire and california. let's start with the controversy of the tweet a about kamla harris that was tweeted by the president's son. the swirling reprehensible move by kamla harris. one of my hard and fast rules to being black and latina in this country, is never to let people tell me how black or latina i am. i determine that for myself.

i let people in our community determine that. i say we let blacks and latinos to determine how black latino they are. if someone determines how black or latino is, it's not going to be from a good person. it's usually coming from an ugly place. you know, let's try to understand that people's identities are complicated. yeah. have a good time. >> there you go. >> during the debate season. >> where do we go from these deba debates? i mentioned the race today. castro and beto, introducing himself to a lot of new americans.

certainly true for some of them here, castro or kamla harris or elizabeth warren, as well. for a lot of the folks, the reason they're focusing on the fund-raising deadline, is they're going to run out of money soon. they have to. this field is large right now. and a lot of the people don't have that much money to run campaigns. they need money. people drop out of races because they get embarrassed or lose money. that's what they are trying to do. we have debates in a month. but the reason you saw everyone during the debate, everyone needs that bump of attention, and of money. that's where they're going for the next 24 hours. the summer months are strange the year before the actual election. everyone will spend time raising money behind the scenes. these were large numbers of viewers for the debates. it's really crunch time. if you're one of the candidates

that's at the lower speaking time spectrum or didn't make the stage, this is a make-or-break summer for you. it's unclear how you go on if you don't treat the summer well and you don't do well earlier this week. >> when you look at how the candidates perform, do you see anybody who figured it out, for lack of a better phrase. what was working for him or her? and now, it's for him to take it on. >> if you have an hour, i'll go through each and every one. i think prbrevity is the soul o wits. if you have time and you nail it, you may be able to raise money or get your name out there more. certainly, kamla harris night two and elizabeth warren night one. there's no preparation for 30 seconds with ten people. and the idea that joe biden

says, a quote my dad used to say, i'm out. or a personal story. i think elizabeth warren and others figured out that format and they were able to get their points in and let it be heard and resonate with viewers and voters. >> i'm sending positive vibes to marry ann williamson. i think she's accepting positive vibes. you can be canned and prepared and good. and i think that kamla harris' clearly prepared statement to joe biden was still awesome and still riveting. it depends on if you're a natural public speaker or naturally comfortable making the connection to your personal life. >> whereas eric swalwell's

lines -- >> pass the torch. >> going in this, you wrote an article. you were down in miami for the debate. i want to get the postmortem. you expressed how difficult it would be, how do you prepare for this. nobody had seen a debate over two nights with this many candidates. your sense of who did that best and who figured out the craft or performance. >> the reality are the ones that we are talking about are the ones that prepped the best. if you are getting talked about, you did it right. what i stand by after watching what was a mess on stage, enis it's impossible to prep for something like this. you don't know how you're going to talk about the people that are on stage with you or not on stage with you. if you're joe biden, you're going to get a lot of attacks. >> exactly.

you know, you're going to only have so much time. everyone thought they were going to get between five and nine minutes. some got more than that. some got less than that. it's very clear here, as we've been talking about camera harris. she talked about bussing and it was not a question about civil rights. she knew she wanted to make this point. >> we'll talk more about that and bussing in particular. up next, for beto o'rourke and julian castro campaigning in their home state of texas, after their contentious exchange during the democratic event. >> if you're fleeing desperation, i want to make sure -- >> i'm still talking about everybody else. >> you're looking at one just small part of this. i'm talking about a comprehensive of a rewrite of our immigration laws. our immigration laws

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this is "up." i'm david gura. on the heels of a heated exchange, julian castro and beto o'rourke are back in the lone star state today. castro will be hosting the event in houston after visiting a detention center yesterday. b o'rourke is holding a rally at the same place. he is going to the other side of

the border, to speak with immigrants seeking asylum. castro attacked o'rourke at the debate. the two are being talked about outside of their presidential candida candidacies. some texas democrats have mentioned both men to take on john cornyn. joining me is abbe livingston. let me ask you first about this decision the two candidates made to leave miami and go back to texas. iowa, new hampshire, nevada, these other states would be ones you would assume they would be going to. why are they going back to texas? >> absolutely. i'm so used to the fourth of july week to hit iowa and new hampshire. they spent friday evening in austin, texas, just blocks away from each other. it was something of a passive-aggressive battle, where each man was asserting his dominance, or his camp,

asserting his dominance in the state of texas, as the big dog democrat in the state. >> how us understand these two guys. how well do they know each other? how well do they follow each other in texas politics? >> i don't know when they met. but they've been around each other for years. julian acastro, along with joaquin castro, have been the next big thing in texas politics for ten years. and o'rourke came out of nowhere as a supernova. they've been displaced as the dominant person. there's been an undercurrent of sizing each other up. >> help me understand that supernova and the way the castro brothers have related to it. >> that's right there. the supernova came, of course, because beto o'rourke got h

challenged ted cruz and that got him attention. i don't think they were expecting castro to go after o'rourke. there were questions when he would regain momentum in this race. what castro did was, your kresh credibility on this issue, is not where people think it is. it was an interesting moment. castro sees o'rourke standing firmly in his place. everyone involved in this conversation is very annoyed when people ask, are you running for the texas senate seat? but acastro is making the case. there's a reason you're thinking about me. i've been one of the next bug things for a long time. i'm good at this. >> gabe is right. you talk julian astro and you ask that question, are you going to run for senate? i'm going for president.

john hickenlooper, you ask him about colorado, um for re-election in that state. help us understand the vulnerable of john cornyn and the politics in play in texas, as you look at who might enter the race to replace john cornyn. >> a congressional candidate last year ran a republican district and outperformed past democrats. she has a proven fund-raising ability. whether she can scale that skate-wiskat state-wide is a question. >> i heard you laugh at that. >> yeah. the issue with ted cruz -- nobody likes him. nobody.

>> he's proud of that. any of these guys being better than donald trump, but he should have a conversation with his family. >> was it because of his temperament? >> he had understood where the party was moving. the party has moved to the left. and you saw that when it came to health care. medicare for all is the new thing from the left, not having a public option. public option used to be the thing on the left. now, that's a middle ground. now, the left is realizing, we need to decriminalize border crossings.

that's the line now. and i think beto just missed it. >> i want to get your read on the immigration is going to be a big issue going into this election. when i sat down with julian castro, i got the sense that he wanted so long, his immigration plan to be taken seriously. he's setting out a vision for this country. do you sense there is pivot point here? the conversation has changed after that exchange that took place on stage. >> i think it's that exchange and the images we're seeing out of the border. last year, people were responding to the images from the detention centers. i think o'rourke was trying not to get too far to the left. it's just as much an issue on

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this is "up." i'm david gura. and a photograph taken at the u.s./mexico border has been powerful. you will find it difficult to look at. it's an image of a father and his daughter drowned on the banks of the rio grande. the tragic consequences that go unseen, the loud and caustic debate over border policy. highlighting human tragedy in times of conflict. there's a vulture stalking a child during a famine. a refugee on the beach. this is one of the photographs undoubtedly familiar to many of you. let's ask just for you reaction to the image we saw this week.

that was taken by a mexican journalist. tell me more about the father and daughter in the picture. your reaction to it as someone who does this work. >> i saw this picture taken by jul julia deluc, a mexican photographer living in brownsville. i was touched. you don't have to be a parent to let this touch you. >> no doubt. we'll talk about the resonance of that image. i want to ask, in the context of your career, when you took the photograph of that girl, the image caught fire. it was around the world.

it was on "time" magazine. talk about the impact it created. >> when a government or a trump administration develops a new policy, last year, it was the zero tolerance policy on the border, it's a little abstract for the public. if there's not an image, it's a policy that's attached to statistics. you see an image that gets your attention and makes you feel, you take more time to learn about the story. in the case of this halast year with sandra sanchez and her daughter, it was powerful for a lot of people to learn about their story, how they left honduras and their journey. how do you process it being used for something other than the journalism itself? it was fund-raising and it resulted in a lot of money being raised for the nonprofit groups.

how did you react to that? how did you watch that unfold at the time? >> it's my job to document what i see in front of me and to get the information accurate with the caption that i originally sent out. photographs take on a life of their own. we have to be aware of the original reporting. we get that right, we let that photo free. the life it takes on, we can't control. editors can go back to the original image and we see that he gets it right. in this era of enemy of the people and fake news and the president saying these things, the work of john and photo

journalists, and everybody working in mexico, it's so important. i want to ask you about the controversy at "the new york times" or any other magazine, putting the photograph of dead people on the front page. what are your thoughts on that? sometimes pictures are hard to look at. the "a" section is about news. sometimes the picture that really gets the most attention should be on the front page. i think that journalism matters. when we feel like our work matters, that shields us of

covering tough situations like this. >> and your work matters. it changes public opinion. >> in literature, there's historical criticism. how do you see your images? you take the picture. do you want your photograph to be an instance of separation? how do you control the narrative surrounding that. the accuracy of it, how does it come back to you? >> this the day and age, pictures are retweeted almost immediately. journalists and photographers, we have to take an extra step and make sure we get all of the information right.

i was attacked for this picture, saying i didn't know if they were separated or not. it's important to get it right. >> what i could not stop thinking about when i was watching the debates, is what allen's legacy did for europe. we need a leader in the united states, who is able to take an image like this, and unify people and feel it. we had a few candidates on this stage. everyone pandering in spanish. our people are wounded and we would like to be pandered to.

after seeing an image like that, we wanted to make it into something that americans could be proud of again and have the leadership qualities to do that. nothing has been done about the source of the migrant problem. here we have the same problem. nothing is done about the source of our migrant issue. we're not giving aid to these countries, where there's so much human suffering, where they're willing to come here and endure even more. the contrast of these photos is very important. understanding we need to choose a politic that takes a horrible situation and turns it into a positive good for this country. >> john, thank you very coming in. he's the author of the book, "undocumented." >> you should look at it.

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good to see you again. i never expected to meet you at this place. >> in this place. this is "up." i'm david gura. a historic meeting between president trump and kim jong-un. the unprecedented encounter comes despite any measurable progress on denuclearization between washington and pyongyang. with all of the fanfare, there's no movement on the issue that was led to in the first place. it was a photo op,presented as spur of the moment. whether it was oranged in less than 24 hours is in question. >> this headline was a great honor. a lot of progress has been made. a lot of friendships have been made. and this is a good friendship.

i want to thank you. that was quick notice. >> reporting by my colleagues here at nbc news, suggests one possible outcome, is it could jump-start negotiations being led by steven beigun. so far, the efforts to broker a dialogue have been stymied by north korea. it was for many years, through many administrations, unthinkable. >> we'd invite him right now. to the white house. absolutely. >> kyle perry and michelle goldberg, she is an msnbc contributor. let me start with you. this idea of friendship. that remark that we just heard that, we have a great friendship. >> i think he feels a lot of affection and kinship for

despicable totalitarian dictators. we see that with mds, with vladimir putin. one silver lining to this spectacle, is that john bolton, for all of his sins, gets to be part of an administration that capitulates to suck up to kim jong-un. we have never seen this weakness. the best-case scenario is for this president to be rolled by north korea. north korea will continue to develop weapons, which is not great but better than anything else on offer, given we have this president in office. this fawning, this tweet, that is like, oh, call me if you see this tweet. i would be embarrassed to send a tweet like that to my husband.

>> you look at who is surrounding the president after all this took place. you see a stonefaced mike pompeo. i didn't see john bolton, as well. help understand the theatrics of this. the white house is presenting this as something that just came up. if this happens on the dmz, in north korea, that would be fine. how did it play out? i mean, consider the surreal scene to begin with. bringing tkim jong-un for a meeting that lasted about an hour.

then, you have ivanka trump, tucker karlson and mike pompeo. and john bolton was nowhere to be scene. we put this together and what has changed and where do things go from here? while president trump was looking for a foreign policy win in this, in trying to revive what he sees as his greet achievement in engaging north korea, the real winner is kim jong-un. all he had to do was show up. and president trump said to him, you nemade us both look good. north korea continues to not commit to giving up any of its nuclear arsenal. it's continued to add to its stockpile. it has resumed testing a couple of months ago. short-range missiles and weapons that today, president trump seemed to dismiss because they weren't the rang-range ballistic missiles that threaten the united states. where we are now is pretty much

where we were 15 months ago, with the deputies told to get the negotiations going. now, the two leaders say they want them to. >> you heard the giggling there. thank you very much. we are accepting what is normal when it comes to diplomacy. that baseline, just talking. condition americas believe, brought on this is an achievement. we see it with this relationship, as well. i don't know what changed here in terms of this relationship, how president trump can throw in the towel and leave that summit, and now, feel like, this is merited. things are back on course. and can say, things are better because they're back where they were. it's insane, actually.

he wanted to be the first at something. even if it's something that is horrible and for the united states in terms of our capitulation to north korea. you gave propaganda and pictures and video. it's ridiculous. that's what drives this. it's what drives him in general. i find it ridiculous that the president of the united stat states -- that's crazy. >> if i were one of our allies, i would be like, that can reach me. but you're okay with it because it's not long-range. i'm going to be the first. history will remember me.

>> i want to ask about how this happened at the g20. honor to see him. president of russia, and in order to spend time with russia, as well. things are laid bear through all of this. the theme is money. this insane rambling thing that went on, the thing that made sense was money. i didn't. but saudi arabia is spending "x" amount of money. north korea is, we can build a skyline. every foreign policy, people aren't paying their part. don't worry about the tariffs. i have $1.2 billion. v values are on the table.

hong kong protests, would have been a moment where this president could have come out and said. this is not what america stands for. this is not our place. >> i want to marinade whon who made this trip. i didn't know the president took tucker carlson. >> i think maybe we died and we're just all in hell. if you had told someone, this is not the worst-case scenario because he didn't blow up the world yet. this is a delegation for a high-stakes event, and it was going to assist to trump, who was known for designing handbags

before her dad game president. tucker carlson. >> at the dmz. standing there. >> and ivanka's -- >> husband. >> and ivanka's husband. we're down to -- we look like this nepatistic feudal state. not that this is something you would see in the united states. this is not conceivable in any developed country in the modern era. >> the moment of the video. ivanka trump is there among christine lagardlagarde. they don't know what to do with her. her role at the g20 was perpl perplexing to me. family photos taking on a different meeting. the prime minister of japan,

pulling her over into a photograph, as if she has world leader capacity that she doesn't have. >> she has nothing. she was the great hope. she's a democrat. she's a liberal. she will help her father along. she is a farce. she offers nothing. i can imagine if it had been a hillary clinton administration and this has been chelsea who is an educated, talented, thoughtful individual. what republicans would have done if she had come a step into the clinton administration. they would have been outraged. the fact that you have ivanka trump that is -- i don't know. their relationship is also shady. it's problematic. it's an embarrassment, in all honesty.

>> what i never understood about ivanka trump, is most people in life, has imposter syndrome, even michelle obama. she has written that she feels like an imposter. i don't understand why ivanka trump doesn't know that she is an actual imposter. how she has no shame putting herself forward in these situations where she has no business being. the white house had a confluence as the president hit the world stage. plus, one of the most talked about moments from the democratic debates. ic debates

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do y this is "up." i want to read a tweet from michele goldberg. all of the biggest trump scandals are concentrated into this week. his administration is torturing children, he's credibly accused of rape, and he is voeking with bhutan. let's get you to the examples of michele's tweet. talk at that moment at the g20, when president trump sat alongside of vladimir putin smiling for the gathered cameras.

>> that was not the only meeting he heaped praise on an autocr autocratic world leader. he made no public mention of jamal jamal khashoggi. he led to a handshake. the dump administration sent 100 migrant children back to a migrant facility. he was asked about the facility and the conditions they're in. >> yes, i am. i'm very concerned. and they're much better than they were under president obama. >> not true. we learn more about an allegation of sexual assault against president trump.

e. jean carol, said he assaulted her. the president said he never met her, despite a photograph that suggests otherwise. we look at testimony from robert mueller. there's an absence of concern. congressional republicans seem to be casting about for more conversation. lindsey graham tweeting, after the debate, the trump third term thing is looking better and better. i will turn to the author of the tweet first. you lay it out there. we've talked about this and you've written about this. the exhaustion and fatigue associated with all of this. did something change this week, as you look at reaction to this? it seemed particularly bad. >> again, the things he did were particularly bad, even by his own extraordinarily degraded standards.

we're used to trump being a self-admitted sexual assaulter. there's other allegations of rape. in a sworn deposition. this is one where we have witnesses. the two women that she told -- the two women that she told at the time have come forward to confirm her account. her account is similar. he throws women against the wall and uses his weight to told them there. sometimes he asks women to go shopping with him. this is his m.o.p. we have the extraordinary likelihood that the president is a rapist. and on both sides, there's a collective shrug. there's not a pretense that we would hold him to account or have congressional hearings or have a conversation about all

this. it was exactly a year ago that the first child separation crisis was resolved. and part of the reason it happened is because there was such a national uproar, right? the first lady had to wear her jacket. now, we're so beaten down, there's no pretense anymore that any republican, except for justin amosh, is going to show any loyalty to this country. we lost so much over the past year. i want to ask you about the allegation. it hasn't gotten traction or outrage. what do you attribute that? is it fatigue?

anybody else would be a huge deal in this. >> i don't know. i think there's a couple of things. we don't care about women. we don't care about rape and assault. if we did, 53% of women wouldn't have voted for donald trump after the "access hollywood" tape. we have allowed the women act to lapse over the course of years and scurry to pass it. we don't care about the safety of women. it took 50 women to come out against bill cosby. there's 16 women that made allegations against the president of the united states. we don't talk about it. it is not headline news. that is a travesty. and the other thing to think about here, too, is that it is not even something that i, when

i heard e. jean carroll, when i heard it -- i didn't say, that doesn't sound like donald trump. in every person's mind, it's like, yeah. that could totally happen. >> i look back to the inauguration. there's an authoritarian thing here. we had the biggest crowd. he didn't take questions. and i remember having that conversation on the air that night, saying this is the beginnings of what authoritarian regimes do. they dispose of the press and say nothing matter and it's all fei fake. russia has said, this democracy thing is not going to work out. and in comes a tweet from lindsey graham saying, maybe it's not going to work out. maybe we should go to a third term here. that's crazy. when you have the conversations,

you lose what is important about this country. rights of minorities and women's right and guy rights and we're not. >> let's look ahead at the testimony that bob mueller will give in a couple of weeks' time. i want to engage your optimism as a pivotal moment. we had some fun yesterday. the democrats keep saying they want to make a movie. how do they make that a blockbuster and not a flop? what's your read on that? the country's collective spirit of where we're focused on. >> it depends on how they stage it and how willing bob mueller

is. he won't go beyond the conclusions in the report. most people don't know the conclusions in the report. it will be his willingness to restate the conclusions in the report. to restate the ten instances that they looked into on obstruction of justice. and the reason they didn't indict, because it wasn't necessarily indictable. we keep waiting for the pivotal moment, right? we keep waiting for something to give, for another shoe to drop. at a certain point, i have come to think that what really has to happen, we see in hong kong. we've seen mass demonstrations all over the country. i think what we're waiting for is something to spark something on that scale. coming up, joe biden's

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i come from that side of the track. i'm not from the other side of this. and i happen to think that the one way to ensure that you set the civil rights movement in america further back is to continue to push bussing because it's a bankrupt policy. welcome to "up." i'm david gura. joe biden was a critic of bussing in america. he highlighted his senate vote as proof he is not against the idea.

before the debate, most in america were unaware of this comment. and the wilmington, delaware, district, that biden represented in the '70s, was sharply against. the number of segregated schools have tripled since 1991. joining me is brett gadston. "between the north and the south." you wrote a great piece for "politi "politico" magazine. a number of his stance on bussing. you are talking about this from the democratic party. i want to get a thought after the first debate. what happened here?

the ramifications of this. >> i'm trying to figure it out myself. one of the difficult things is to get to the crux of the problem. understanding joe biden's position on bussing. i was listening to senator graham's comments. that vice president biden didn't have a racist bone in his body. that's not an interesting way to frame the whole question. when you look back at the vice president's record, it's clear that he supports the idea. so, bussing, that have proven effective in many communities to advance desegregation. i think the jury is out about how this is going to affect him for two reasons.

first, for none of the candidates that could embrace school bussing, and be the anti-candidate on this position. they've done that was to do so will provoke the ire of white americans across the country. school desegregation as a central component of a civil rights or progressive educational perform effort is just not there. this is irony afoot. biden is offeri insuffering all criticism, a round of public policy, that no one really is mobilizing around. help us with the genesis here. he figures out his beliefs on this matter. tell us the jen sgenesis of tha.

>> in the '60s, early 1970s, the federal courts arrived at a determination, that the segregation of the public schools were functions of state-sponsored education and housing policies. and they found that a two-way bussing was needed to integrate the schools. as the court was refining its logic and reaching this determination about bussing, it provoked the great ire and consternation of suburbanites in the area. it's in this context that the junior senator is thrown.

in response, he goes to the senate and sponsors legislation that eventually had to -- he was successful in passing the legislation, that had the effect of limiting the federal government's ability to eventually compel local communities through their control of the power of the purse, to adopt bussing remedies, where there was evidence of constitutional violations. >> how do you begin to look at the paradox that he mex ntioned. you have bussing on one side and the facets of the civil rights movement on the other end? how do you navigate that? >> the reality is, that america is following the decisions that were made. joe biden doesn't rally around the policies that have had ripple effects.

when you have kamla harris on stage saying, i was in -- your decision that you made in the 1970s affected my life and my outcome, why can't you understand that? there's no reckoning for him. around bussing in particular, when he was lifting up the segregationists that he had this bipartisan relationship with, the question that african-americans have to ask themselves is, to what extent did you trade our well-being, our ability to achieve the american dream, our economic stability, our livelihood, to pass legislation. which ways did you go tit for tat to get things done? we are going to see joe biden's inability to reckon with the decisions he's made are going to affect his poll numbers.

we're far away from election day. if you poll african-american people above 50, they are in biden's camp. when you move down, you know, under 50 years old, black folks like myself are like, your policies are like this. and you walk around saying barack obama was your best friend, is not enough for me to decide you should be the nominee. >> one more thing, the democratic party's ability to reckon this in context. >> i don't think the democratic party wants to have a debate about bussing. bernie sanders was also about bussing. it was not a popular position in the '70s. it's not how they dealt with it at the time, how they reckon

with it now. they they explain, how they've changed or integrate stories like kamla harris' into their understanding. and if they understand the way that american politics has evolved since the 1970s. and to me, that's what has been so damaging about joe biden's answer, first that he has a long history, rather than running on, wants to run from. and also, is not agile in explaining it. >> thank you very much. appreciate the time. coming up, the lightning rod as homestead, florida, why the 2020 field has descended on that detention facility up next. tentt it's the right gear. with a terrain management system for... this. a bash plate for... that. an electronic locking rear differential for... yeah... this.

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this was a must-visit place for democrats. eric swalwell is not polling well but he was first there this week. warren visited thursday, along with klobuchar and beto o'rourke. on friday, julian castro paid a visit after scoring points in the debate. then, another group of presidential candidates visited the facility. kamla harris and gillibrand spoke to the president after their visit. >> we came here today to get a look at a private detention facility for children. instead of being shown this detention facility, we were stonewalled. >> we have heard about sexual assault allegations here. in this facility. by staff. by staff. >> what are we telling our own children who are aware this is happening to other children?

i strongly believe you should judge a society on how it treats its children. >> you were here all week before the debates began. >> homestead primary. >> help us understand that spectacle for lack of a better term. it became a magnet after the debate. >> because of the debate and where we are as a country, that was going to happen. we were talking about this at the break. this is the defining issue of what america is at this moment underneath donald trump. he has changed who we are inherently through the border policies. let's be clear. it's a policy of deterrence. we talked about the note for a toothbrush and these things. on the politics side of it, there is a question of what is it really doing? you have candidates coming because they felt they had to.

looking at what happened in texas a year and a half ago, we have no access to these facilities. we know there are things like sexual assaults happening at these facilities. the press comes and the member of congress comes, and the fences get higher and the kids get moved. i think this raised the tension about the facilities, which is good, but it crystallized the idea that behind the fences in the privately-run facilities, some have john kelly on the board. that one in particular. john kelly was on the board. the idea that these kids that you're looking at there, some of them have points of contact around the country. they could go to family members tomorrow.

if you woen that company, you have zero interest of moving those kids. >> what is disturbing, we know that the kids are being tortured, right? we want to have a conversation around semantics. there's accounts of sexual assault that were happening there. i believe that ten years from now, we're going to learn just exactly how dark and disgusting this has been. it's a stain on america. we are running for-profit institutions that are benefiting off of the torture of children. arguing about no toothbrushes or soap? who are we? >> that's intentional. the idea, they see the images. they see the horrible image of the 23-month-old little baby.

dead, with her father, on the banks of the rio grande. i don't know how we reconcile that. but i don't think an election is going to change that imagery. it will take a lot more. i want to ask about this. this is a game of musical chairs. this is a private facility. "the washington post" reporting on the hack of one of these immigration contractors that reveal how big this network of private entities is. nobody has a grasp on this. nobody has control over what's happening here. it's bigger than that. it's out of the hands of everyone, it seems. thaw have no interest. they're not tracking these

children. up with of the things we have to realize, is family separation, even though it was posed to end a year ago, it's still going on. there's been 700 kids that have been separated from their families in the last year. immigration attorneys say it's picking up in recent weeks. it's the same thing. they haven't been able to track down a lot of the families of the kids who have already been separated because they're not bothering to keep records. part of this is malice of this administration. and part is that this administration doesn't know how to administrate, right? it doesn't know everything that it's built, everything that donald trump has tried to run has been a chaotic failure. this is the same thing. this is akin how we've treated the rebuilding of puerto rico. how does donald trump manage a crisis? we're seeing it. >> this reckoning we're hearing

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welcome back to "up." this weekend marks 50 years since the famous uprising which brought rise to the lgbtq rights movement. some names you should know. marsha p. johnson and sylvia riveria, played a role at that time. fast forward to today where four women are set to recognize the anniversary of world pride. this year alone 11 black transgender women have been murdered in the united states that we know of. the latest is brooklyn lindsey. she was 32 years old. also in the u.s. it is legal to fire openly lgbtq plus people in 26 states. and of those states 11 have some protections for public employees based on sexual orientation or gender identity. let me start with you and help

us mark this anniversary, that's what's happening here. over the course of the week i dare say in new york city, how are you marking it, this the 50th anniversary? >> it has been an extraordinary month in terms of all the celebrations that have been taking place. but, like, you mentioned it's in the shadow of a lot that's going wrong. the numbers around acceptance for lgbtq people are actually on the decline for the first time. i mean, it's on the decline. we have been making considerable progress with organizations and work that has been done to kind of spread acceptance, right, and have conversations about the struggles that happen with the community. under the administration, however, people have become emboldened and their transphobia, their homophobia. one of the things trump did when he got in office is rescind

obama era guidelines to ensure our kids were protected from bullying by their classmates. he blocked openly transgender people from being in the military. for those of us like myself who are able to be out without any consequences knowing that across the country there are deep consequences in showing up as your full and complete self. and as you see transwomen, black transwomen are the most marginalized, right? their life expectancy is 35 years old. that is travesty is epidemic we don't talk about. why we march and cheer and celebrate and there'll be glitter and music and it'll be fabulous, there's also something happening very dark and sinter with this country and its understanding of the lgbt community under trump. >> that exercise in both looking

back and not even looking ahead but at the president as well. >> one of the things you see, we've been hearing a lot about religious freedom and religious s liberty. that's been one of the big issues this administration has taken up. and what it really means is the right to discrimination against -- well, nominally against members of the luke community, but the argument they've been making is you need to be able to discriminate in both private businesses and turn people away, refuse to cater weddings and the like, and also refuse to get public funds and foster children with lgbtq families. you can either argue the gay community is somehow separate

from other groups that are covered under civil rights law or you can argue that civil rights law itself is mistaken, so in addition to seeing growing numbers of people who believe you should be able to refuse to serve the growing number of people that you should be able to serve black meme, that you should be able to refuse to serve jews, right, so i think you're seeing almost a kind of mass rejection of parts of the right in this country. >> i was reading the lengthy interview with vladimir putin and this came up in the course of that and he said something that regrettably went unchallenged about how lgbtq plus people in russia but it would world pride. speak to it globally. >> i think there's no question, it's given rise to us finding out all these deep dark things we didn't want to admit. the it sets a horrible example for countries like russia where

we know people are ending up in jail or being killed. i really did -- i thought mayor pete was tremendous. i got to meet him in miami, and it's given rise to an interesting resistance. and megan rapino, and there's that image. president trump was so disgusting towards her last wreak, and she kind of internalized it, and there was this really amazing international moment. she's an openly gay football player and in front of the world sort of that happened. and i just thought it was sort of great lesson for democratic candidates how to really get at donald trump. and you mentioned at the break how she's going -- >> thanks to all of our guests. up next joy reid and the growing divide between nancy pelosi, the

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>> this is my honor. i didn't really expect it. we came over and i said hey, i'm over here, i want to talk to chairman kim. good morning, and welcome to "am joy" live here in los angeles. well, donald trump called stepping across the demilitarized zone into north korea and shaking the hand of murderous dictator kim jong-un a great honor. in what was the ultimate trump tv spectacle early this morning. no sitting president has given kim jong-un the honor or the elevated stature of a face-to-face meeting, something both he and his father desperately wanted. let alone on north korean soil. but for donald trump, this is his third face-to-face with the man he calls his