>> this is my honor. i didn't really expect it. we came over and i said hey, i'm over here, i want to talk to chairman kim. good morning, and welcome to "am joy" live here in los angeles. well, donald trump called stepping across the demilitarized zone into north korea and shaking the hand of murderous dictator kim jong-un a great honor. in what was the ultimate trump tv spectacle early this morning. no sitting president has given kim jong-un the honor or the elevated stature of a face-to-face meeting, something both he and his father desperately wanted. let alone on north korean soil. but for donald trump, this is his third face-to-face with the man he calls his friend, and

such a great honor he vowed to invite kim to the white house asap. north korea has not agreed to give up its nuclear weapons, and just last month they fired off short range missiles violating u.n. resolutions. and i wonder if it family of otto warmbier, the young american man who was sent home in a vegetative state to his desperate family a year after finally being released from imprisonment in north korea, i wonder if they thought trump's handshaked photo-op with his beloved friend kim jong-un to be a great honor. also other than the photo-op, what was the point? joining me now is evelyn farkas, sumi terri and malcolm nance thank you all for being here. evelyn, my understanding was that there was no staff work that was done before this photo

opportunity. as "the washington post" reports it was really a television show, a bit of what "the post" reports in saying trump scored his biggest live show yet in north korea, a handshake with north korea's kim jong-un and then a short stroll together. one small step for the 45th president, one giant boost for his television ratings. because there wasn't anything to it, apparently his staff was caught off-guard he was going to do it at all. in a huge diplomatic boost undeserved for kim jong-un, what was the point of that >> i don't know what the point was. as a foreign policy expert and professional i get really agitated when we give away something for free to another country of which we're having an ongoing decades long

negotiation. once again the president has given away for free to north korea as he mentioned these pictures, this propaganda victory. and what have we gotten for in response, nothing for it i can tell. although, i will say the north koreans continue to maintain a freeze on testing nuclear weapons, which is great. but they haven't completely maintained their ban on testing missiles, on firing missiles. and we are no closer to getting the north koreans to freeze their entire program today than we were yesterday. so this, again, is something where the president unfortunately seems to think that it's an end in itself to have a good relationship with a foreign leader which in fact it should be a means towards getting something for the united states. >> right, or getting something for the korean people. sumi, i want to go to you on this because the reality is kim jong-un has his people locked in a prison, a giant prison they can't escape. people of family members, they

won't be able to see, have not seen in decades because kim jong-un has them locked in a prison. and so this guy hasn't shown any effort to do anything in return for donald trump praising him, treating him as if he's a great leader, seeming to genuflect towards him the say way he does towards the president of russia. here's donald trump praising the sound of kim jong-un's voice. take a listen. >> i want to thank you, chairman. you hear the power of that voice. nobody's heard that voice before. he doesn't usually do conference news conferences in case you haven't heard. and as president moon said, this is historic moment, the fact we're meeting. >> i have to be honest, if i were otto warmbier's family i would be horrified by watching donald trump suck up to the dictator of north korea. what did the united states get out of it other than getting to

hear what kim jong-un sounds like? what did the korean people get? >> well, president trump got his bromance with kim, but koreans have not getting anything on denuclearization. we still don't have an agreed upon definition of what even denuke larization means. and you're right, you're right to mention human rights issues and kim jong-un is the worst violator of human rights in the world. that's a separate system from regular penal system that has up to 120,000 people there. we have not getting anything on the denuclearization front. the only thing i guess we got is some promise of working on the negotiation which we should have had to be honest since the singapore summit. but finally hopefully at least the working level discussions will begin. but kim jong-un doesn't even

want to form working level discussions but work with his advise and only deal with trump because obviously he can get things he wants. >> i'm old to remember when george w. bush named the axis of evil and claimed iran, iraq and north korea. this is a country where the dictator will kill his own family members. he will take people who step out of line and throw them into gulags as sue miju just said. this not a great man. and donald trump seems to think he's the bees knees. let's listen to him tell the people of north korea -- i don't know how he would know this

other than he was told by kim jong-un -- that they just love kim jong-un. take a listen. >> he's smart, loves his people, loves his country. >> but he's starved them, he's been brutal to them. he still loves his people? >> look, he's doing what he's seen done if you look at it. but i really have to go by today and by yesterday and a couple of weeks ago because that's really when this whole thing started. his country does love him. his people, you see the fervor, they have a great fervor. >> this was from a past interview with george steflopinous say and there's a great line in there, he's seeing what's been done. from donald trump who learned from his father he's doing what he's seen done. your thoughts, malcolm. >> let me step into the shoes for anger translator for the

rest of the government of the united states. this is a disgrace, an absolute total abject disgrace. the flag of the united states is flying on par with the flag of north korea. donald trump goes to the demilitarized zone where in that immediate area, a u.s. officer was hacked to death with axes by north korean soliers by kim jong-un's father. that entire country is a giant prison camp. to say he is listening and admiring his voice, that is the voice of evil. he is essentially adolph hitler in asia, but now he has the president of the united states with rapt attention and love in his eyes wrapped around his finger. this is really going to impact the national security of the united states because, one,

north korea does not care what we think or they're willing to do whatever their agenda is. if that's to develop further atomic weapons, they will do it. if that is, if they find the united states doesn't play well with them, that they'll start punishing south korea. oh, by the way, i don't think i've heard donald trump talk about the return of all the kidnapped japanese and south koreans that have been held in north korea. and he certainly didn't ask north korea from any restitution for the murder of otto warmbier but he actually paid $2 million. we are in a very dark place with north korea right now because what you see is a man who is so ahab obsessed with a photograph that will get him what he thinks will get him the nobel prize. he will sell the united states' national security and that of asia right down the river.

>> it does strike me, evelyn, this is donald trump's television program where he wanted the attention on the world stage, he really wanted the onobel prize because the man with whom he's obsessed, barack obama got one. and i'm old to remember when republicans pilloried obama for willing to negotiate a deal with iran that actually got something real, something tangible, a halt to their nuclear weapons development, them coming together with the world and actually working with our european allies to get a real deal that donald trump threw in the garbage because he's barack obama. and now we have not just trump and his party, malcolm used the word disgraced. his party, the man who used to be the super hawk, the late john mccain's one time best friend, lindsey graham, he can't even bring himself to criticize this television show in the dmz. take a listen to lindsey graham.

>> there's no down side to keep trying. they haven't exploded any bomb or tested any icbms in quite a while. i would encourage the president to keep talking but the point is to get irreversible denuclearization of the peninsula. that's the goal. and if trump thinks he can do this by continuing to engage kim jong-un, let's give it a try. >> why didn't they think that with iran, evelyn? >> i'm glad you brought the bigger picture into play. i would actually say i don't disagree with anything senator graham just said. he's just leaving out the fact that all this, you know, meeting is a distraction, and it's not bringing us closer to the goal. but he's saying, well, let's see. okay, but you rightly state i mean we have another crisis on our hands with iran. the iranians have not said they're going to pull back from breaking out of the agreement this week. it looks like they're maybe thinking about it. the europeans have a mechanism

they've come up with to kind of continue trade with iran which might keep iran in the deal. but the iranians have not said they'll stay in the deal. so the president is doing this grandstanding in north korea while he's got another fire burning with iran that he actually helped ignite. >> and sue mi i want to give you the last word on this because i do think we forget sometimes the people of north korea are the ultimate victim here. there were all sorts of rumors the last time when the summit with trump didn't go well that kim jong-un punished people for it. if nothing comes of this because there are no ground level staff negotiations, this was literally just a television photo-op. if nothing comes of it, just a second, we're out of time, but please speak to what the north korean people have to look forward to if nothing comes of this -- and probably nothing will come of it, but if nothing comes of it. >> the north korean people, we just talked about it's a giant prison and if the leaders screw

this up, you know what happens. and from the hanoi appointment, he's still missing. we don't know what happened to him. and if kim is serious about changing or reforming, what about bringing information into north korea, what about improving the lives of north koreans? so, you know, it's -- i am not hopeful this charade is going to lead to any kind of positive result for north koreans or for us. >> i think we should mention moon jae-in, the prez of south korea, who i think has made valiant efforts to achieve peace and reconciliation and tried to help the people of north korea, i think we should mention he was there, and i think he's seriously lying to do something other than get a nobel prize. i want to make that point. malcolm is going to be right back. and up next, there's more. the birther attack on kamala harris. her attack on kamala harris hey, who are you? oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?!

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well, it has happened again. a trump has fallen for a disinformation campaign aimed at a democratic candidate. it's almost like someone hasn't read the mueller report. look, here it is. following kamala harris' break out performance at the democratic debate donald trump, jr. retweeted and later deleted this tweet from a conservative commentator who claimed harris is not, quote, american black.

harris has been the subject of growing social media attacks dating back to the launch of her campaign in january. it'ssert of like birtherrism, the racist meme promoted for years by donald trump, jr.'s dad. joining me now is jason johnson of the root, and back with me malcolm nance, msnbc contributor and author extraordinaire. >> the attacks on kamala harris are actually not new. it was immediate and thought driven and it was intense. bring tg back, what does that tell you what we can look forward in 2020 whether or not she's a nominee? >> it means a massive disinformation campaign is going to be spread online and they

hope it trickles down in reality. birtherrism was about barack obama is not really here, white people, don't vote for him. this thing about harris, her status, that's about black people. that's about a sophisticated attempt to get black people to not want to support senator harris. if you don't like senator harris, her criminal justice background, you have a right to not like someone. but to dislike a candidate because you're falling for a isarest disinformation campaign because we're having discussions about authentic blackness, that's a problem. i don't care whether anyone thought she was black or half indian when they were busing her in the 1960s. this an attempt to divide a black community not on policies but swrexenophobic racists.

>> everybody jumped in for the most part. kamala harris doesn't have s-h-star t to prove. so he even was cussing. it does seem the solidarity of the other candidates was immediate and kicked in, but the fact to jason's point this time the birtherrism is directed at black people much like the ira attacks in the mueller report. the first thing that russia did was to try to go after black voters to try to turn them away from hillary clinton. >> i think they're very clear about the strategy frankly republicans have used to divide and conquer on race. i'm really thankful, one, joy, you're having this conversation because it really is at its core

about the -- birtherism is really about this anti-immigrant sentiment. what is at the core is trying to define what american is. and to say that someone who even though they're black and have experienced life in america and were born here isn't enough is where this conversation is really going. and i think for all of those watching and curious what this is about is this is a way i believe republicans are trying to move an anti-immigrant conversation and do it in a way they think they're slick and try to bring black people now into that. which is completely wrong and i don't think we should fall for it. and everyone watching should not be swayed by it. >> malkchl has been attacked by the sort of black blood and soil thing that is happening online where it's sort of moving, trying to be tricky about moving black people towards the donald trump position on immigration and using kamala harris as a pivot to try to say, no, your

enemy is look at immigrants. and look at her, her parents are immigrants. she's not even really black. she's trying to take away from slave descendants, where the slave ship landed is what makes you black or black enough. kamala harris is implying she zenlded from american black slave -- something she's never said. a right wing media personality wrote on twitter she's not, she comes from jamaican slave owners. first of all, black jamaicans were there in jamaica because they were enslaved. the slave ship dropped them off in jamaica. let's just be clear. anyway, malcolm nance, your thoughts. >> let me push your time line back a little bit -- >> i can't believe we have to do this but go on. >> i want to push your time line back a little bit. there was a small group of cyber

security analysts and me who started seeing this when she launched her presidential bid, and that's where this whole are you a real descendant of an african-american family or african-american slave started popping up. it dipped until about january. you did a segment on your show, and then we saw this explosion of real people -- they're not all bots. they're real people, trolls who are this small fractional fringe group led by a former black conservative and that was picked up quickly by other conservatives, and then we started seeing the automated non-organic cyber amplification of their message. and then when the discussion about reparations came up, their entire argument is crazy. the argument is when you were picked up on that slave ship from western africa and if you were dropped up in domin cuor

bahamas or jamaica, then you were less of a black than a slave wooho was dropped off in charleston, south carolina. it is a horrible form of black racism that's now been harnessed to be a voter suppression tool because their entire campaign is don't vote for anyone who is not dropped off in charleston, south carolina, in the 17th century. so this whole thing is now being amplified by foreign powers and by the right wing and donald trump, jr. >> yeah, it's crazy to me in a sense that we have to have a conversation that all enslaved people in the western hemisphere all emanated from the continent of africa whether you were dropped off in trinidad or jamaica or dropped off in charleston. this seems like an elementary my dear watson but apparently we have to have this conversation. joe biden, i want to read his

tweet. and he's been running a lot on his connection to president obama rightly so. we have to call it out where we see it. racism has no place in america. that was joe biden. i want to play the precursor if people are saying it's just organic and maybe black people just really question kamala harris, i don't know because there's a trigger that usually has to do with trump when these trolls emerge. here's donald trump on saturday talking about kamala harris' debate performance. >> i think she was given too much credit for what she did. it wasn't that outstanding and i think probably he was hit harder -- >> we're giving black people too much credit. >> that's like the white thing they're doing. look, as everybody's mother used to say if they're shooting at you that means you're doing

something right. donald trump, jr. talking about whether or not kamala harris is black enough is like me talking about whether or not idris elba is hitting the gym hard enough. it's dumb, it's ridiculous. obviously, look, there's always going to be, you know, 5 to 10% of african-americans who have their vote collinized by the republicans or pie russia, and that's just -- look, you can't freed everybody, so that's just going tobe a thing that happens and we have to try hard not to overreact to your black republican friend telling you that kamala harris isn't black enough. what i think, though, that is important that this is part of people like trump, people like don junior, people like republicans trying to control the flairative of the democratic debate which i am not here for. if you're republican and you want to be interested in the democratic party, come on down. if you saw the debates this week, we've got food coming hot off the grill. we are ready to welcome you.

but what you're not going to do is show up at our house and tell us, i was really hoping you would make some kweequiche. that's what we got. if you want borscht, you're going to have to go with the other guys. >> i can't even say anything after that. what else can i say but thank you. we don't have quiche, we don't. i know that's what you wanted. >> if you want to share in our bounty, you can share. don't be a trifling guest. >> share it with everyone. thank you. with quiche. we'll be back in our next hour with tupperware. coming up congresswoman ilh ilhan joins us. ilhan joins us this is the ocean.

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donald trump has decided to rebrand the fourth of july celebration in the nation's capitol this week into yet another trump tv show. he's decided to call it absolute to america. but you might as well call it a

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and i know this may be controversial but when the president referred to them as animal, i absolutely said that is correct. those ms-13 members, and i can tell you again because i've worked if not been there as a chief, i'd been to the detention facilities where i've walked up to these individuals that are so-called minors, 17 or under, and i've looked at them and their eyes and said that is a soon to be ms-13 gang member. it's unequivocal. >> mark morgan, the agency that has held migrant children in dangerous sanitary conditions, conditions morgan this week blamed on democrats as his way of encouraging them to approve new border funding, he believes

he can just look into the eyes of brown children and see their future gang membership and criminality. the border bill that morken wanted ulultimately passed without the protection for migrants and basic standards of care many house democrats were demanding. but moderate house democrats and nearly all the senate democrats gave in on. joining me now is one of the senate democrats who voted against the bill. it's great to talk with you. >> good to be with you here. >> first, let's talk about mr. morgan. is this the type of person who in your view is fit to deal with migrant detainees given that he believe said he can just look at brown children and see gang members in their future? >> absolutely not. i mean, it's quite shameful really to hear him speak the way that he speaks. no human has that kind of really

disgusting interpretation of children the way that he does, and it's really telling that those are the kind of people that the trump administration is putting in charge of caring for vulnerable children. >> yeah, and i mean you yourself come from a refugee background. you know what it is like, you know, what these children are going through on a certain level. but a different soort rt of wel when we actually open our arms to wonderful people like yourself who come as refugees. go on. >> i mean, many of americans really in this country have come through, you know, escaping atrocities, looking for an opportunity. many of them came before we had any laws in regards to immigration. many of them were able to get off a plane, get processed and

make a life in the united states. i'm always baffled by people who have had an opportunity themselves, who are so quick to deny that to others. >> yeah, the cruelty is bizarre, but it also seems to be the point. it seem tuesday be the electoral strategy of this president, and his administration seems to revel in the cruelty towards these children. and i wanted you to comment on the fact what they're doing, representative omar is not deporting these men, women and children but they're keeping them, and keeping them and profiting off of them. what do you make of the fact the shift in the immigration policy and that john kelly, is one of the people profiting? >> one of the reasons truly that we decided to vote against the kind of bill that was being proposed by this administration

and the senate is precisely because of that. nothing that we have been talking about or proposing is going to make sure that these kids are not in the conditions they're currently in. it's not going to make sure that the policies that put them there are going to be reversed such as the family separation or metering or remain in mexico. there is an atrocity happening, and if this was happening in any other country, we would call that and ask for accountability. we would ask the international community to get involved in calling that out and seeking an emergency end to it. and my colleagues decided that they were going to cosign on this horrendous cruel process that this administration has engaged in without really speaking on the kind of values

that we have that says nothing that is happening in the border should be happening. i mean, we're deciding there are certain days or certain months that it is okay for our children to remain in these these conditions. no child deserves to be in that condition. we have an opportunity really to address this crisis in a proper way, in a humane way. and to me it is really about people who are thinking about what is politically expedient. it's about people who are thinking ability what helps their friends align their pockets. and there are children that are suffering, our values are suffering. and we can do better than this. and speaking of peoples political calculations i have to talk about what's happening inside the democratic party. it almost feels like a

generational and ideological divide inside the party how to deal with this administration. the bill that just passed, it's notable to me that the four no votes were yourself, iana pressley, rashida talib and alexandria ocasio-cortez. there were 33 democrats in the senate who also voted against it, and if you read through it, it reads like some of the more liberal but even doug jones of alabama voted against it. tim kaine, leahy and the seven senate democrats who were running for president weren't there, they were at the debate. why do you suppose -- and i'm not asking you to criticize your colleagues but why are moderates in the house so insistent on cutting deals with the white house rather than cutting deals with progressives like you to hold the white house to account and to really go hard when it

comes to something as critical as childrens lives and safety? >> this is one of the reasons why i think the public is always frustrated with politicians. we were running for office. we said send us into the majority so that we can be a check and balance to the cruelty of this administration. now we are in the majority we are too busy appeasing this administration. and i can see the frustration of the american people who are really disappointed that, again, we have people in power who have forgotten the purpose and the reason they were given that privilege. what i am always surprised every time we're having a discussion in regards to policy is how people will talk about the political reality and they won't talk about the human reality of the policies that we are

passing. we take an oath, truly, to care for the american people and make sure that we're furthering policies that are in line with our values. and we often fail short. and i think with the democratic party we're so busy oftentimes trying to appease everyone we end up appeasing no one. >> and very quickly i want to make a huge correction doug jones and others who voted for it and other conservative leaning moderate democrats voted for it not against the bill. the more liberal senators voted against it. has it been difficult to transition in congress for you who has been sort of an activist and find out how much political

calculation and as you said appeasement of sometimes really horrible ideas on the other side goes into the attempt at law making? >> no. i lead with moral clarity and courage. and so for me it's easy to make a decision about the particular policies we're voting on. i could often have a conversation with people about the impact it would have, maybe a decade or two decades later. we've just seen in that -- in the debate between senator harris and vice president biden about some of the policies he was advocating for and how the policies that he advocated for had an impact on her life and has continued to have an impact on so many others decades later. that is the kind of lens that many of us come with. we know that some of the aulacies that have been implemented have had impacts on our lives and were there to

really have clarity on that. and for others who often forget, you know, our job is to have that conversation to tell them there is a political price you can pay today, but you can sleep well tomorrow knowing you did the right thing serving the constituents that sent you. >> congresswoman ilhan omar, thank you so much for your time this morning. and coming up, alabama, where a pregnant woman could go to prison for the crime of getting shot. that's next. getting shot that's next. i for all of your wi-fi stuff, wireless charging for your phone. cool! wait til you check out the back! that's a lot of groceries. look at my strong man! don't patronize me... the new buick envision is full of surprises. current eligible gm owners get up to 16 percent below msrp

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♪ oh! oh! oh! ozempic®! ♪ ask your healthcare provider today about once-weekly ozempic®. this week in alabama, we saw a real life version of "the hand maids tale," prosecutors claim the death of jones' unborn baby was her fault and charged her with man slaughter. the woman who shot jones is not charged with a crime. a lot of publicity on thursday,

prosecutors said they have not decided whether to pursue the man slaughter charge. joining me now, liz winsted, thank you both for being here. i want to go to you first, joyce. just a quick piece from this. the investigation shows the only one true victim in this was the unborn baby says pleasant grove police at the time of the shooting. it was the mother of the child initiated who altered into the death of her unborn baby. your thoughts, joyce. >> this indictment is really ironic in a lot of ways. for one thing it is not warranted under alabama law. the law is very clear. no women should be charged in connection with the pregnancy. i expect miss jones will file a motion to dismiss and have this

indictment tossed. this is i think is a poorly thought out indictment that can now be picked up by people who want to move forward and perhaps get us into an environment where women can be charged. alabama's brand new abortion bill explicitly carved out. it actually protects the women who seek. this could be a start of a new trend here. >> to say that the only victim is the unborn baby is to say the person is physically shot in order to have lost her child is no a victim. the victim shot marshawn jones. she did not go on killing her baby herself. the idea that she's not a person that the unborn child is a person. let me let liz weigh in on that. >> that's been a trend that we

have seen in the way politicians are talking about pregnant people or referring to them as a host. as we are granting pregnancies more rights than the actual pregnant person. 38 states have some sort of law that has to do with criminal prosecution if something happens with the pregnancy whether using drugs or vehicular homicide or those kinds of things. those of us have been watching these laws in effect have wondered at what point something like this would happen. at what point are we going to say, we have established person hood in our country. roe v. wade is not the law of the land. we have person hood and that feels scary to a lot of us who had been advocating for r a long time. >> joy vance, it talked about the fact that antiabortion act seized on one little part of the ruling of roe v. wade, a person

granted, the role claim would be moot. people's rights would approve to and even if it is a zygote. are we at the point where advocates are able to set aside the mother because she's just the host? >> that's very much the goal of the person hood advocate. they have not had much success. many states, alabama have passed this state bill. joy, you make a really important point about the woman and the woman here is a person and not just a host for the baby that she's carrying. that's why these sorts of prosecutions are so dangerous. the irony here is this is the first african-american elected to be a district attorney in alabama who brought this prosecution. i don't think this is the consequence she intended.

it is important for lawyer to be deliberate and think through the consequences of the law or we can end up with some dangerous territory. >> if this women were to be prosecuted out. if you were to be prosecuted for, a, supposedly causing her own shooting which is a great gun advocacy. you shoot somebody you are not culpable. the woman essentially is prosecuted because she did not take good enough care. >> well, that's what people are afraid. there are laws trying to push person hood towards. if the state could prove that you brought upon your miscarriage by negligence, you could be prosecuted. who we are i mean is sort of like when you look at the statement that the arresting officer made and he was like well you brought your fetus to a fight and it did not want to be

there. it is like oh my god, what are we saying? how is it that we are actually in the spot now where the government is going to just monitor the entire way we live our lives. the fact that you look at reproductive justice as a whole and mortality rate for black women is four times of white women and it is like literally we have a government in a country that's working against making sure that women of color are having safe and healthy pregnancy outcomes. >> it is really upsetting. >> yeah, when you combine the mortality with this person hood, it is almost as if the person is a person and it does not matter if she lives or dies. she's just the host. liz winsted and joyce vance, thank you very much for your time. more "am joy" after the break. e.

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what do you hope your legacy will be? >> i hope that it will be that i showed up everyday and did the very best job that i could to put forward the president's message. to do the best job i could to answer questions and to be transparent and honest throughout that process and do everything i could to make america a little better that day than it was the day before. >> good morning, welcome back to "am joy." what do you do when the press

secretary spent her entire tenure lying and flat out ignoring and refused to hold briefings for the press and who her boss calls the enemy of the people? >> well, apparently you throw her a party. she exited her post taking her smoky eye with her. joining me now jennifer ruban and sarah jones and back with me is aisha mills. it seems odd to a lot of observers that journalists have been the subject of sarah huckabee sanders would throw her a party. is this something unusual? do we know who attended?

>> it is not unusual as far as i know. it is not unusual for reporters to get a drink. what i find startling about this event is some of the cults made in this saying it is civility and a job well-done and considering her record and her attitude towards the press, i wonder if that was completely appropriate for the press. >> i mean gabe, one of the passages from "the new york times" right up about this party was you better not say i was here. me either, said another. people were not proud being there. >> why did they go? >> joy, this is i think one of

the downsides of the very close ince relationships with reporters. there is no relationship that are scrutinize than the white house press core. these reporters want to maintain access, sarah huckabee sanders still knows a lot going on at the white house. i guarantee reporters are still going to call her and gossip and find out what's going on. they have the interest to maintain that relationship, the optics for the wider public normalizes and invalidates everything she has done at the podium to den grade the role of the press. >> he's amazing team for her last three and a half years.

you are the best, thank you. that this is not a normal presidency. it does strike me that this party was emblematic tch. this is the ability to gossip and drink with inside the white house rather than looking at the president and say is this unusual. you can't be both clubby and also sees something as abonorma. >> those reporters told another reporter not to report they were there should be drummed out of of the press core. they should own what they are doing. the difficult here is they misconstrue access means you

have to b nie nice with these people. if they call sarah huckabee sanders and if it is in the white house's interest to speak to them, she will. i guarantee you she will want to talk to them if she has something she wants out there. she won't talk to them if she does not. it is a notion that you have to be chummy or you have to throw them a softball every once and a while so that they'll come back on your show and they'll pick up the phone and talk to you again. it is terribly misguided. the entire white house press core set up has to be rethought. long before she starts giving them, i thought the -- they were simply giving her a platform to lie. the press has not been able to wrestle with an administration, press secretary, a president who lies continually to their face.

they have to still work through that and stop getting phony balance and tell people what's the truth and what's not the truth. >> yeah, you are familiar with democrats and republicans. there is nothing quite like this. suppose there were also the same sort of inside source chummy relationship with the obama white house and the bush white house. you do have a certain normalization of this president treating it as a whacky jeb bush. he's calling the press the enemy of the people. institutions, you are at harvard and harvard has corey lewandowski up and harry cohn u up. is there a normalization that goes beyond the press and the

press is enabling. >> this is problematic. i think america not only understanding the crisis and how to deal with it. the press core and so many others, congress are acting this is business as usual. this will blow over and they are using the same tool kit to deal with a complete different type of administration, this is showing the depth of the swamp. donald trump is supposed to drain the swamp. when you got these relationships with folks who are finding the truth and seeking the truth and calling people out and ultimately telling the american people what's really happening and they just want to have a beer and want to be right. that's the problem. the deeper piece of this is that we all need to be sounding the alarm right now. this administration, sarah suck b

huckabee is really nothing but a liar. to lie behalf things on behalf of the president and normalize that, oh yeah, we still want access. she's doing a disservice to everybody. i it reminds us we are living in p perculiar time. >> i want to know our producer did reach out to the two reporters at the party. we did give them an opportunity to come on the show. neither of them were available. we did invite them to come on and discuss why they want to join the party for sarah huckabee sanders. is there a pressure on reporters to maintain these relationships including even if it means you know attending a party for

somebody who called you the enemy of the people? >> i do think there is some pressure. so much of it does appear to be self-infli self-inflicted. that should be why you go into journalism. some of the attitudes that attributed to these reporters seen completely at odds with the purpose of journalism. whatever pressure may exist to keep these sources in white house can be important than fulfilling obligations to the public. you don't think they should have gone, sarah? >> i personally would not have. i this i th think it is -- but something i would have done. >> gabriel, what does the white house get out of this? this kind of still being able to call upon this sort of sense of civility and we must be civil that the press still has towards

this sort of automatic deference to the office that his staff still gets? >> they have to create questions, dub tails are the points that i want to make next. you see that of the president's bizarre encounter with kim jong-un at the dnz in north korea. i mean they are treating this like this is actual genuine diplomacy when fact the press has been cooperative and to part of donald trump's surreal reality tv show. he's been cuddling one of the murderous dictators the world ever known just because it makes for a good tv image. the press is not covering as what it is which is just a stunt. they are treating it like genuine diplomacy. they covered it as a diplomatic event. i think it is a wrong frame to be writing about these issues. >> yeah, go on jennifer. >> absolutely and they are fawning over this and calling

this the best moment and the most important moment of his presidency. does anyone remember the americans who was tortured and killed. we have gotten nothing out of the two summits. reporters were saying well, kim was out of his comfort zone, well, what the heck thais that? it has no meaning for him. this guy knows what he's doing. he's stringing the president along. the president has been embarrassing himself this morning. >> i watched a little bit of coverage last night. i had to be here at 4:00 a.m. and there was a sense of referential coverage of what was literally a meeting arranged on twitter. the way you may arrange a meet up with your friends. let's meet at the coffee shop at 10:00 and he tweeted. he arranged it on twitter.

we have reporting that the new white house pre's press secretas roughed up in a scuffle in trying to keep the american p s press from reporting. she gets roughed up. it is treated as if this is a historic moment, the first president to visit north korea. this is abnormal and it is a television show and it is not clear that everyone understands that. >> it is ridiculous and dangerous. having like real conversations about how obscene all of these are. there was a time hitler was covered in lifestyle articles telling what he was wearing and now damier he was. the press needs to take a look

at themselves. the truth is playing into that or trying to chum yourself up to the person that's attacking you, well, you know they're like horrible and want to be addict tater a dictator is not going to help anyone. it is a strange, strange world we live in. >> thank you, gabriel and sarah jones and aisha mills. >> thank you all. coming up, the new republicans' voters' handbook. that's coming up.

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i am about to tell you a scary story about the core of our democracy is under attack. >> it is about time we started cleaning the cockroaches out of here. >> you will not have a democracy. >> the new amazon's documentary takes an in-depth look of republica republicans -- thanks to the supreme court ruling this week in favor of partisan gerrymandering. >> it is obvious why you made the film.

>> who did you talk to and what did you find? >> we found that and and -- congratulations to your book. i read the first part of it and it needs to be told. >> we began to look at these new laws mysteriously after the election of president obama proliferate in what's now over 20 states that make it more difficult and making it difficult or impossible for some of our female lla citizens to v. we were concerned about it. it is one thing to debate it intellectually. we want to dehumanize it. we want to find a story of the people and give them a voice on camera to tell their story. we are in north carolina and we are in texas. we are in missouri and wisconsin. it is a national trend. >> let's play a clip for the film. >> this is from north carolina.

let's play a little clip of this. >> is this your address? >> i could not move at all because i got to re-register, i am not in the system. they're not making it easy at all. it is tiresome. >> how is this allowed to happen? you had voters id laws and voter intimidation and gerrymandering. you just had in florida a poll test put in that people -- >> they have the right to vote but they are told they have to pay every fine. how is this allowed to happen? do we not have any court system to try to stop it? >> first of all, on partisan

gerrymandering, you have a supreme court that says open season, do it, all you want. you got the president given a green light to foreign interference in the election. you have mcconnell blocking the bill in the senate. if our film we show our play book, ten dirty tricks people use to prevent their fellow citizens from voting. when we started making this film, i started scribbling down. it is a shocking and sickening list. you can challenge some of these things in the courts and not all of them. on the gerrymandering cases, it is 2019. these are districts formed in 2010 or 2011. in gerrymandering lawsuits, if you sue, you may win eight years later but you already lost. that's where shelby county verses holder which was

pre-clearanced and required any change like this to be pre-cleared with the doj. that's why your friend, justice roberts is the author of citizens united and shelby counter verses holder and now the gerrymandering decision is a concern. >> i want to key letter word you said, doj, you have the department of justice of eric holder or rfk. i am not sure even if there is pre-clearance that william barr would have any interest in protecting the voting rights because they are not republicans. >> it is worse than that. texas created this agrgregious law. it has been turned down for clearance and they passed it anyway, successfully sued and

litigation led by the obama justice department. when trump becomes the president, the doj switches sides on that suit, no, this was actually okay. >> so what are you finding on the other side? what does the fight look like to try to prevent the broad disenfranchise of people of color, democrats. >> one unkpenexpected thing in film, we had extraordinary access to the people who feel our elections are riddled with fraud and wants to pass this laws to prevent fraud. we got chris kobach and so we allow those people to tell their stories and let the viewers listen. >> what is their justification for? do they believe there is fraud or pretty transparent that no, people of color are democrats and we want republicans to win.

>> we show a clip of the north carolina voter. these guys purge 6,000 names in one county. by purge, i mean under took a jim cr jim crow era process or law to cut names from the voting rules. they feel their voter role maintenance is cleaning them up and making sure we prevent fraud. when luke you look at it. gosh, there are sure are a lot of color on this list. we got on the phone and started calling them and they answered and here they are. did you know you were purged so karen mccoy wilson, i met her in the parking lot and told her she had been purged and she did not believe me. we went discount to the board of election and she was controlled and disappointed and she was

hurt. and so the people who are being purged, the people who are prevented, voting behavior correlates with income and the republicans know that. if you put up these barriers, people who are poor and work hourly jobs and have -- they know that you know, a hurdle here and there, you are going to prevent few people here or there from voting. >> it is minority rule basically. white christian men in their view should have control and they should have. a lot of people will watch documentary like this and feel terrified and hopeless. did you see the colonel of the fight that could succeed and in 2020 you could have a robust vote. it is a census election. >> yes. the heroes of the film are the voters who fighted out.

karen mccoy wilson. zach moore, are the people who say you are putting hurdles up, let's take it one by one. the patriots who fight for christian rights and people who have been doing this for 20 or 30 years. that gives me hope. what really gives me hope is people becoming aware of this and people watching the film on amazon prime. you can see the trailer on our website or we are on facebook and twitter. people know much more about this. i will tell you this one other thing of this fabricated fraud. in the course of making the film, we investigated fraud. well, let's find fraud. with the north carolina people, great, we'll embed with you and get in the car and drive around and find some fraud. in the 2016 election in north carolina, they found zero fraud but the reaction is well that

moves that it is bigger than we thought. it is even more insidious than we thought. it is a national conspiracy. of course, the number of cases of voters and i mpersonation fraud in north carolina in 2016 out of 4 million votes or 5 million votes, who knows? >> if i show up and say hi, i am mac keller -- that would be heard. >> it is called "rigged," you can watch it on amazon prime right now. it is very important to be informed. this election is going to be armageddon because it is a ten-year census election. please check out the film. >> booker verses biden. the new jersey's senator tough critique for the form eer vice president. that's next. eer vice president. that's next. snacking can mean that pieces get stuck under mike's denture.

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who ever our nominee is going to be or the next president ought to be need to be someone who can talk openly about race and call this country to common ground to reconciliation. i am not sure if joe biden is up to that task given the way these last three weeks have played out. >> cory booker openly questioning whether joe biden could talk about race and unite the country. joining me now is actor ron carlman and back with me jennifer rubin. it is great to see you ron, i

like to get a non-pundant take on these things. >> i feel like i live in a box. >> you are just able to really step outside of it. when you look at this and cory booker and kamala harris, what do you make of it? >> i mean it is a real battle for the soul of what the democratic party is going to have to look like going forward. we love uncle joe. we all love uncle joe for all l the right reasons. we don't think uncle joe is a racist, all the amazing talent that's on the bench that's ready to redefine what's it is going to take back the soul of the country. that's what literally needs to happen. i didn't love the fact that joe entered the race when he first entered it.

and now everybody showing that he has some cold feet that he may not be able to transcend. it could be time for fresh blood that swawell was talking about. >> eric swawell kept on saying pass the torch. it was a debate device. there is a generational divide in the party whether it is in congress or the freshmen is saying no, we need to be stronger in the organization and we no we need to be steady. this is gen x. here is cory booker one more clip from "meet the press" this morning. >> a lot of democrats who are involved, have spoken openly with vulnerability and talking

about their mistakes. that does not disqualify you. what we have seen you is an inability to talk about mistakes he made candidly or about things he could have done better. >> hillary clinton was the wife of the president, she got hit hard with young african-americans held her account for the clinton's era or the mass incarceration. are we now seeing a replay in a lot of ways of that same debate generationally within the party? >> what you see, one of the people who really i thought put the woods in joe biden in the debate was not kamala harris but pete buttigieg who says i didn't get it done. when we talk about a generation

divide. there is the younger generation, i am apart of it, i am gen x. nobody is perfect and we don't expect anybody to be perfect. we do expect you to be able to set and wrestle with your own record and history and admit when you have done something wrong. joe biden is running a trumpian's strategy of never apologizing and always in the right. it may work for republicans but it does not work for younger people. i understand it. i am friends with many older black people and one of the things they'll tell you is that joe is a racist -- i don't know you, i don't know you, joe, i know. how bad can he be? that's an older black kind of thing to think about. a younger black person is kind of like yo i want somebody new.

joe has not figured it out yet how to talk about those younger generations who's willing to give joe, they're not willing to give him a pass but give him a chance if he's able to explain his past positions and mistakes. >> jennifer, it strikes me that we do have picture of him going to reverend jesse jackson as the exit strategy. it seems the fix reminds people over and over again of what generation he's in and what generation cory booker is in and kamala harris and what generation pete buttigieg and eric swawell and andrew yang. they are three generations of democrats that are running and they're all on stage and seeing them all together. the poseidbiden generation. his constituents were antibussing and he had to do what he had to do. to ellie's point, that's not

going to work. duri doing the trump thing is not going to work, not apologizing. is it? >> let me say a few things. cory booker's tone in that debate and that interview were superb. he brought it down and he projected a presidential tone that i have not seen from him. sometimes you see things about the person that you have not seen before regardless of this matter. i will say that about cory book booker. this is not only about race, of course, it is about race. it is also about an old guy who's too proud and stubborn to say he ever made a mistakes. it works for donald trump because he's a jerk. this is another old guy who won't explain himself or explain why he's wrong. this is not just on race. it happens with his personal

interaction with interactions with women and others. the problem is not what he did in the past but what he's saying it now. he's making it worse. he does not seem like the sharp intellectual that the democrats need to bring down donald trump. i don't think that's not where democrats need to be. >> let's step into the younger generation, julian castro who really impressed everybody in that debate. these attacks on kamala harris. >> these folks put something out there. you know what he did. he tweeted it out and he deleted it like a coward so he can say oh that's a mistake. he knows what he's doing. he's giving voice to these racist utterances about kamala

harris. we need to not give them any more light because it is disgusting. >> that's about the son of the president. >> castro has presented himself very well. if we can move off for a second, there is so much to be excited about in the democratic party. if you look at this last week, you saw biden, -- booker and castro just offering real comprehensive ideas about immigration reform. you saw warren and staanders an kristen gillibrand explaining how we'll get to universal healthcare as a right. you saw kamala harris fighting with both hands and joe biden running for president -- we have so many options right now. i wish that was more part of the narrative coming out of this week and not just joe's kind of problem, the amount of options

of the democratic field right now. >> let's pivot to north korea. ron, apparently donald trump query his own entourage. >> fabulous people. all of them are fabulous people. >> both sides. >> tucker carlson was in the entourage with the president, conservative commentator, tucker carlson. i have no idea what's going on here. >> he was there because he thought he's doing an interview with "tmz." >> and he ended up at the dnz. >> the letters is such a mess up. >> let's play amy klobachar, her thought on the north kore korea -- whatever that was. >> we have seen a history here especially in this case where

donald trump announces the summit and nothing comes out of it. of course it as a country we wa this to work. we want to see a denuclearization of the korean peninsula. it is not just easy as bringing in defense of the dictator next door. what do you think of that response, jennifer? >> i think it is brilliant. you know what dr. carlson says? well, to be a president you have to kill people, that's his response. i am sure your fol folks can pu the exact quote. that's his response. this is really a bad joke on all of us and good for amy klobachar and other democrats for saying yes, we want diplomacy. all this is doing is making kim jong-un the bigger and more impressive character. he's able to hold trump and able

to wrap him around his finger like so many dictators do. this is not a great photo opt for america. it is a great photo opt for america. >> donald trump been photo opted with xi jinping and vladimir putin and kim jong-un. can we play really quick, the tucker sound? >> this is a monstrous regime in the world. the disgusting place and obviously, there is no defending it. on the other hand, you know, you got to be honest of what it means to lead a country. it means killing people, not on the scale of north koreans do. a lot of people committed atrocities including the numbers that we are closely -- it is important to be honest about

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to kill people to run a country. >> tucker, are you volunteering? because obviously we're taking names. sorry. >> and with that, i think it's time for our panelist to tell us. who won the week? i mean, after that, who won the week? ron perlman, i'm going to go with jennifer to start. jennifer, who won the week in. >> each in their own way for outstanding and who can ever forget mary ann williamson, all you need is love. >> i'll tell you one thing. it's really nice they got all these plans but if you think we're going to beat donald trump by just having all these plans you got another thing coming. we won by simply saying make america great again. >> she was giving me realness in

that debate. i kind of appreciated her. she was needed in that debate. she gave us something. let's go to ellie. >> kamala harris beat joe biden about the face and neck not just on show, but on a real substantive policy. her point that i think that we are now getting to talk about is that desegregation still hasn't happened and joe biden trying to go to the jury versus de facto segregation, that's still a thing. it's not happened in chicago or l.a. county or in west chester county where i live where six blocks north of my house, the school district is 88% white, and half a mile south the school district is 75% nonwhite. so kamala not only showed everybody exactly how she's going to take on donald trump. she did it on a real substantive issue. i think that's just the win. >> yeah. and by the way, if they're

throwing birtherism at you, they think you're obama. just saying. >> you're rising. >> yeah. >> can you beat that, ron perlman? you're ron perlman. who won the week? >> my original answer was going to be ellie for picking kamala harris because that was my pick, so he's got to be the smartest dude on the panel, but then forced into pondering and in my egotist cal insistence on being right, i came up with one even better. you're going to love this. jimmy carter won the week. jimmy carter won the week. in fact, he won the last two and a half years -- and i've been tweeting for two and a half years that donald trump didn't win anything. that he was installed, that the stuff that was happening in those last few states with the 70,000 vote disparity smelled

fishy to me from the get-go. that the only way he could be president after losing nearly 4 million popular votes to hillary could have been it had to be rigged. i've been saying this whole discussion of impeachment, you only impeach people who are elected. what you do with something who has been illegally installed which we have no language for in the founding papers is you annul him, get rid of all his appointments, including the two dudes on the supreme court that have given us more gerrymandering and stuff like that. jimmy carter went -- he was the first one i'm aware of that went where i was -- i'm hoping more americans need to go. >> it's interesting. a lot of statesman figures have gone hard against donald trump. john mccain, but the first former president to say what was

said is jimmy carter. he said that donald trump his successor is not a legitimate president. he speaks from a unique moral place because he is the former president who we most associate with christian charity and love as it is in the bible. given to the poor and the immigrant and the sick and the left out. building homes for the poor. he is a moral force. it's a good pick. jimmy carter is a great man. >> and when your election is messed up, jimmy is the one we send to our country when you're having an election issue. >> i'm picking the founding dean of texas university is turn 10g 0 years old this weekend. he taught at the same hbcu texas southern for 70 plus year. denzel washington sought out his guidance for the film the great debaters. it was the oprah film.

he's mentored people and spoke at funerals. the late icon dr. martin luther king junior was one of his men tees. he's a great man. happy birthday dr. thomas friedman. you won the week. thank you all and thank you ron perlman who will be starring in "capture" this fall. my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today.

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that is our show for today. thank you for watching. a.m. joy will be next saturday. up next alex witt has the latest. alex, i'm in your hood for a few more hours. >> i know. i love it. you go hollywood. ron perlman today. >> i go hollywood when i'm here. have to. >> safe travels. see you soon. a good day to all of you from new york. it's high noon in the east. 9:00 a.m. in the west. welcome. historic step. president trump visits the dmz and walks into north korea. this hour the questions and the criticism about what he's accomplishing. >> this is a pretty big move today. i imagine, based on what everyone is telling me. but it was my honor. i said that to him. >> it's all show. it's all symbolism. >> this is a