that is our show for today. thank you for watching. a.m. joy will be next saturday. up next alex witt has the latest. alex, i'm in your hood for a few more hours. >> i know. i love it. you go hollywood. ron perlman today. >> i go hollywood when i'm here. have to. >> safe travels. see you soon. a good day to all of you from new york. it's high noon in the east. 9:00 a.m. in the west. welcome. historic step. president trump visits the dmz and walks into north korea. this hour the questions and the criticism about what he's accomplishing. >> this is a pretty big move today. i imagine, based on what everyone is telling me. but it was my honor. i said that to him. >> it's all show. it's all symbolism. >> this is a ruthless dictator.

>> i don't want it simply to be a photo opportunity. >> plus new attacks against kamala harris and who in the trump family helped spread them. and the viral moment of ivanka trump in a conversation with world leaders. but we begin with the breaking news of the president's historic day at the dmz. the president appears to have softened his tone on sanctions against north korea. he said both sides agreed to resume lower level nuclear talks and extended a public invitation to kim jong-un to visit the white house. richard engel was at the dmz and here's part of his report. >> reporter: president trump was the first to arrive. walking slowly toward north korea in the no man's land of the demilitarized zone, or dmz. then kim jong-un emerged walking faster to catch up. the two leaders shook hands. trump on south korean soil.

kim jong-un in the north. >> good to see you again. >> i never expected to meet you at this place. >> it's a step forward. >> reporter: they were separated only by a narrow concrete strip. the demarcation line between the two koreas. president trump asked and was invited to cross. >> i asked him, i said would you like me to come across the line? he said i would be honored to do that. i would be honored. i didn't know really what he was going to say, but it was my honor to do it. >> reporter: the first sitting american president to sit foot on north korean soil. kim jong-un then stepped over the line into south korea. it was chaotic that president trump wanted to do this, had been circulating for weeks but the details clearly only came together in the last minute. security, camera crews, north korean television, got in each other's way, but real history is often messy. >> and richard engel after

reporting a north korean defector weighing in says there's zero chance kim jong-un will get rid of nuclear weapons. >> what with you report? >> reporter: well, president trump had alluded to the fact that this meeting might last just a couple minutes. it went on for nearly an hour. leading many to believe that there were some issues of substance being discussed. the last time these two men met, it was a bit of a disaster. with both sides walking away empty handed. kim jong-un quite embarrassed that he was going back to pyongyang after that hanoi summit with no sanctions relief. and that really was a setback for him. so there is the possibility that something changed in that meeting today. that the hard line positions on both sides may have softened a bit. here's more of what president

trump had to say on the possibility of sanctions relief. >> they're staying on. i'm looking forward to taking them off. i don't like sanctions being on his country. i'm looking forward, but the sanctions remain, yes. but at some point during the negotiation, things can happen. and that's what we'll be talking about sanctions. >> reporter: so the question is where does it go from here? president trump says that both sides are getting together their teams of negotiators. as far as time line goes, it should happen within the next two or three weeks. of course the question is what is it that they talk about? there are no illusions on whether north korea is going to give up its arsenal. in the meantime north korea has resumed testing. it has added to its stockpile of weapons and it seemed to have dismissed any interaction with u.s. gesnegotiators to this poi. this is a public registrations

win for kim jong-un. this gives him further validation being seen as an international statesman. the fact that a sitting u.s. president not only stepped onto north korean soil but begged kim jong-un to meet him there. as for president trump, this is a bit of a public relations win for him. he's long put pride in his personal diplomacy with north korea's kim jong-un. and he is hoping to revive and effectively preserve what he sees as his big foreign policy achievement in engaging with north korea. whether it all leads to a deal, people are extremely skeptical that nothing much has changed and we're back to where we effectively were 15 months ago. al snex. >> janice mac key, thank you for that report. let's discuss with the deputy campaign manager for communications and policy at seth moulton for american.

also former u.s. ambassador to south korea, christopher hill, welcome to you both. marie, you first. in terms of the read you're taking on how significant all that we witnessed earlier today actually is or will be and to janice for his point of the pr perspective. her summary was that it seems kim jong-un got the better of these two from a pr perspective. what do you think on that front as well? >> i can only imagine the propaganda we will see in north korea with kim jong-un using this meeting with president trump coming into north korean territory. this is the kind of legitimacy he wants on the international stage and he got it today. and i think that's a win for the north koreans. but alex, it seems clear to me that president trump believes with enough symbolism with enough praise of kim jong-un publicly, that that will somehow pressure him enough to get rid of north korea's nuclear and

missile programs. if you talk to my former colleagues in the intelligence community, i don't think they agree with that. and the fact is since they started negotiating, north korea's program has continued to progress. it has not frozen as donald trump wanted. and they haven't done things they agreed to even at the first meeting like giving an inventory of their current program, what they have so we can actually talk about how to negotiate. we should be very clear, though, what we saw today is not an actual negotiation. it was a public relations move, and we know that president trump seems to equate that with diplomacy. at tend of the day, nothing has changed. in fact, the north koreans have probably progressed further since when the talks started. >> isn't this better, though, than trading bombs. you work with seth moulton. he did four tours in iraq. don't you think his perspective is this is better? at least you're not trading

bombs? >> absolutely. and seth has talked a lot on the campaign trail about the fact that the people who fight in the wars in iraq and afghanistan are the last people who want to send us to new wars. war with north korea would be probably in many ways much bloodier and more dangerous, kill many, many, many more people, not just americans but south koreans as well. certainly people who served in wars believe that talking is better than fighting, but the reason we had to deescalate was because president trump came into office threatening war. it's almost like he's putting out the fire he started. and the point of negotiations has to be strategically to get to some place that's safer. i agree it's better to talk an fight, but there has to be a strategy for the negotiations to succeed. >> we all have to remember that the president a couple years ago was calling kim jong-un little rocket man on twitter. his preferred method of communicating with the world.

>> exactly. >> ambassador, two years ago to that end, we saw the headlines like this one that said north korea testing a ballistic missile that experts said could hit california. if the fact that we're not -- is the fact that we're not looking at the same headline assign of progress? >> what the president has achieved in the last year and a half is the fact that north korea's not testing missiles and not testing nuclear weapons. and so he takes from that, i think, a great sense of victory. the problem is they are developing these weapons. they're developing these missiles. and so i would agree with the sentiment that nothing has changed in that regard. i think the basic problem is the president has said i've got plenty of time, and yet, he's asking from the north koreans a kind of big bang. a kind of grand bargain in which they give up all their nuclear weapons one day falling out of bed in the morning and saying we'll do it. the fact is they're not going to do it in that way. if they do make any progress, it will be in a step by step basis

which the president has not wanted to do. so the real issue, i guess in the coming days and weeks is are the north koreans going to put something on the table saying we'll dismantle one of our main facilities? does it mean they've gotten rid of their nuclears? but it would be an important first step and would the president respond with some increment of sanctions relief? i mean, the name of the game here is to convince the north koreans they have a better future without weapons than with weapons, and therefore, sanctions play a key role in it. as the commentary has suggested, it's a tall order to convince the north koreans to give up these things and by the way, this has been a very good day for kim jong-un to get the american president to come into his country. >> absolutely. >> what about given your perspective with knowing the south korean people and their perspective on this. does this make them live in a bit less fear given how things seem to be at least progressing? >> yeah. the south koreans generally

support this approach of trying to talk to the north koreans. they're a little disdainful when people in washington say there's nothing that can ever be done. we just need to end up fighting them. they say look, that's easy for you back in washington, but we can actually see north korea from our bedroom. so they get a little grouchy about that kind of stuff. at the same time, there is criticism of moon jae-in for being more solicitous of south korean concerns -- north korean concerns than he has been about south korean economy. it's a democratic country with a lot of thoughts. generally they like to see a process going forward. they have great reservations about president trump, but they appreciate the fact he's taking chances. one of the great ironies is to have john bolton who spent a career, really a lifetime objecting to any talks with north korea.

when i was a negotiate or the, he wanted me to say i wouldn't shake hands with them. so i think the president needs to kind of work on his own team and figure out who is kind of with him and who is not. >> interesting behind the scenes on that one. marie, so before he met with kim, the president made quite a striking claim about former president obama. let's take a listen to what he said there. >> president obama wanted to meet and chairman kim would not meet him. the obama administration was begging for a meeting. they were begging for meetings constantly. and chairman kim would not meet with him. and for some reason, we have a certain chemistry or whatever. now, let's see what happens. we have a long way to go, but i'm in no rush. the sanctions are on. and i'm in no rush. >> okay. president obama's former deputy national security adviser ben rhodes who is an msnbc contributor tweeted trump is lying.

i was there for all eight years. obama never sought a meeting with kim jong-un. marie, what is your take on this? can you back up ben rhodes with what he's saying? >> absolutely. this is not true what president trump said. and the fact that president trump routinely lies about things minor and things major should not make us immune to the fact that when he does it, it's a problem. president trump clearly likes the idea that he's the first to do things or that he can do things president obama never did. it's not based in fact. you heard kim jong-un say you would be the first president to step on our soil. he knew that would appeal to president trump and his ego, despite the fact it doesn't solve the problem. i think to what the ambassador said, a key point we should look at is the fact that it is probably time to work on some sort of interim dwreemt with north korea. if we go all or nothing on denuclearization, that's very unlikely to happen. and so i hope that this time

under president trump who is working on the details looks at the fact that if we can get some sort of first step agreement to halt parts of the program, to get a full inventory, to build some confidence that we will both uphold our ends of the bargain, that could eventually lead to the deal, but at this point, the north koreans have gone back to testing shorter range missiles that could threaten places like japan. they aren't upholding anything, and it seems like there's really no progress. that could be a way to actually move the ball forward on these negotiations. >> maybe not a go big or go home approach. you heard the president saying we have a long way to go. mr. ambassador, as we see the way president trump is treating kim, is the president inadvertently saying to iran that having nuclear weapons puts them in a more powerful negotiating position? >> you know, i think his real mes samg to the iranians is pick up the phone, talk to me, and good things will happen. and if you'll just be flexible and talk to me and give me my

political victory that i've somehow improved on the jcpoa, that is on the iran deal reached by president obama, good things will happen if you just give me my pound of political flesh. and that's what the president wants. and the iranians are saying no thank you, fella. you created this crisis. you started this dance. you're going to have to finish it. >> you know, we bring up iran. and on saturday in japan, the president talked about the escalating tensions between the u.s. and iran during which time he accused john kerry of meddling in the process. i want to take a listen to that. >> we are working on iran. we'll see what happens. i think they'd like to make a deal. i think they'd be smart to want to make a deal. we'll see what happens. and we chose and designated certain areas we were thinking about. i said how many people are going to die. they came back a short time later and said approximately

150. i thought it was disproportionate. i don't think john kerry should have been talking to them. >> the president's not right about john kerry. john kerry obviously was involved in the leading negotiate or the on the iran deal, but he's not the problem here. the problem is the fact that donald trump managed to do two things at one. first, escalate tensions with iran, up the rhetoric, threaten military action, and really i think by starting this process by pulling out of the iran deal, setting us on an escalation path people are worried can result in war. but at the same time by not doing anything to respond, he sent a message to our allies that you can do things like that. you can take direct action against the united states, and you won't respond in some way. there are some proportionate ways to respond to tell them they can't do what they did, but

the president is in the worst of both worlds. he can't even manage to make a decision about how to respond. this is a place where speaking to ambassador hill's earlier point, john bolton, mike pompeo, and donald trump are all in different places on iran's strategy and that basically ends up resulting in there not being one, and that's a problem. marie and ambassador hill, thank you for a substantive conversation. i appreciate it. now bringing in ann who always brings us substantive chat. the critics say this is for show while critics say it's part of an effort to end north korea's nuclear program. is there any way to measure the effectiveness? >> i think one of the problems is that both of those interpretations are right to a degree. this was a giant reality tv show moment complete with tucker carlson in tow. it was exactly the kind of big

splashy event president trump loves. of course, it was a huge as your previous guests noted, it was a huge victory on -- for show and for prestige for chairman kim, but from trump's perspective, it's exactly the kind of big show, big splashy thing. looks good on television. makes him look like the big man doing new things across the world that is the image he wants to project. it is also true that this -- while this personal diplomacy has not borne fruit in the form of a specific reduction in the number, scope, future, or anything else of the north korean nuclear arsenal and missile program, it has lowered the temperature from what was a really sense moment a year and a half ago, and it's kind of time to give a little bit of air to

the idea that personal diplomacy night be able to do something that traditional diplomacy hasn't. >> yeah. something else that's lowering the temperature to a degree, the president is somewhat softening his stance on sanctions, floating the possibility of lifting some of them during negotiations. what do you make of that? >> it's actually the same strategy he's been applying with iran. and -- which is to dangle the possibility that oh, man, i don't like sanctions either. i think it's terrible. i don't want to put sanctions on you. do what i want and you get the sanctions lifted. that is a different style than previous presidents but as a policy matter, it's actually not. the policy he has been pursuing is the same. the previous two presidents have been pursuing with both countries which is we're going to sanction you to the hilt unless and until you do what we want. >> okay. ann, stay there. after the break we're going to be joined by charlie savidge of the new york times and we're going to talk about ivanka trump, her role at the g-20

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developing this hour, 2020 democratic candidates are helping kamala harris fend off attacks online. a poster during this thursday's debate tweeting kamala harris is not an american black. he's half indian and half janay con. donald trump junior then

retweeting it and then deleting it. harris's campaign now comparing the allegations to birtherism. campaign spokeswoman lily adams saying this is the same type of racist attacks used to attack barack obama. several of harris's rivals now defending her, including castro who said this earlier. >> if thousands of personnel -- politics, and this is the game that these folks play, they put something out there, giving voice to the racist, you know, utterances about senator harris. you know, we need to dispel them immediately and condemn them and not give them anymore life. they're disgusting. >> joe biden clashed with harris on the debate stage defending her on twitter saying it's disgusting and we have to call it out when we see it. racism has no place in america. joining me now charlie savage,

also ann geran. charlie, how would you charac r characterize the attacks against senator harris? >> what's the point behind them? i suppose it's to suppress enthusiasm among black voters for senator harris, the notion being wouldn't see her as one of them, and to that extent, it might accrue to the benefit of cory booker who is trying not to touch this. i think in american politics we see at the local level there can be tensions among different faks in a place like miami where haitian versus traditional african americans see their communities as unique. in the same way you might see irish versus italians in parts of the country. at the national level, it doesn't seem to matter at all, and obviously barack obama was also not the descendent of american slaves nature that didn't suppress enthusiasm for him.

this whole thing seems tan genital -- >> he deleted it saying people were misconstruing it. how does donald trump seem to get caught in the middle of the controversies? why does this happen? >> he puts himself in the middle of them. i don't think he was caught there at all. i think he knew exactly what he was doing when he retweeted that. >> in other words, he knows he has three and a half million followers? >> correct. and that tweet was a powerful message to a number of constituencies that he wants to reach, and he knows there will be news coverage of it will which amplify the outrage and reach a number of constituencies that won't be reading his twitter feed. that seems intentional to me. i can't say for certain because i don't know the man personally, but one would assume a social media savvy person as he is who

is also part of his father's reelection campaign, he's the main warmup act now, knows -- and a huge mufundraiser on his father's behalf, he knows what he is doing when he tweets and when he deletes it. >> i want to show you a clip from social media. it's hard to make out what's being said, but it's the image itself that's drawing scrutiny. let's watch. >> and the same with the defense line in terms of -- >> okay. now, i'm asking you, ann, first, is this kind of odd to me? i'm curious what credentials ivanka trump has to be among that group of people, the president of france, the british prime minister, although we know

the standing is changing. theresa may, the president of the imf. it's an extraordinary grouping there, and by the way, aoc commented that being the daughter of someone is not a job qualification. >> yeah. ivanka trump played a very interesting different role on this trip. melania trump, the first lady did not go, and so ivanka was sort of the kind of almost the first lady figure in some of her engagements but she also was there on behalf of the initiative that she runs, but there is really only one event that was specifically about that at the g-20. so what was she doing going to lots of other things and making sure she was in pictures or seen going in and out of meetings and so forth. and then today, she and jared kushner were with the president when they stepped into north

korea which seems a little odd to a lot of career diplomats. >> she said it was surreal. >> right. i mean, there are only a really small number of american who is have set foot in north korea. she's now one of them which is interesting since she doesn't have a specific background in diplomacy and not in that tricky bit of diplomacy. >> charlie, final word to you. your thoughts on this video? >> so everyone is talking about it because of the side eye that the head of the imf gave when ivanka tried to interject herself into that conversation. to me it takes me back to one of the original controversies of the trump administration the first day where trump was inaugurated. they put out a justice department memo that said that anti-nepotism laws would no longer stop the president from appointing close relatives to white house positions, a law that had been in place since 1967 after john kennedy made his

brother attorney general and it stopped others from appointing relatives even to inconsequential advisory committees. that was a sign to clear the way for jared and ivanka to take those roles that lawyers in the executive branch were not going to be a major check and balance on this presidency. we just continue to see that today. >> okay. charlie and ann, good to talk with you both. thank you. robert mueller headed to the hill. a member of congress chimes in on what she wants to here and whether lawmakers will get the responses they're looking for. o. ...6, 7, 8 o. ♪ ♪ ♪ big dreams start with small steps...

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i actually stepped in with chairman kim. i stepped into north korea. and they say that's a very historic moment. he asked me would you like to do that? and i said it would be my honor and we did and we went over the line. >> president trump becoming the first sitting president to step onto north korean soil earlier today. the president at the dmz opening another door to a possible white house summit with kim. joining me now debbie dingell. thank you for joining me. can i get your take on the

significance of all this? what do you think? >> well, first of all, you can never -- i don't want to take a shot at anything that's an effort toward peace. so -- and it was very significant. i have been to the dmz, and quite frankly, it's one of the -- if i've ever felt like i was looking at evil or meeting evil, that is something i still hold in my heart. that's what i want everyone to remember. kim jong-un is still a tyrant. he executed the last person that was -- the negotiator for negotiations between the united states and north korea. so i want to be optimistic but i'm also a realist. i want this to be more than a photo opportunity. north korea still has -- i don't want anything to happen that's going to legitimize them toward being a nuclear power. >> what would progress look like to you? >> well, i want to see them stop

testing nuclear weapons. we want to make sure japan is safe and they don't have short-range nuclear weapons. i would like to know anyone who negotiates with the united states is going to be safe from being murdered. we have to look at what the people in north korea, their circumstances they're living under. these prison camps. the execution of many people. the treatment of many people. so there's a long road ahead, but the fact of the matter is steve baggen, the lead negotiate or the for the united states, actually spent time here in michigan, worked for ford. i have a great deal of respect for him. i'd like to -- i always try to be hopeful, but i also am a realist. >> uh-huh. let's look at what happened on friday with the president meeting with russian president vladimir putin appearing to joke about interfering with election. let's listen to the president defending that exchange with putin. >> you have to take a look at the words i did say, and then we

had a discussion. we had a great -- actually, we had a great discussion. president putin and myself. i thought it was really a tremendous discussion. russia, russia, russia. isn't it crazy? you know he denies it totally. how many times can you get somebody to deny something. >> your reaction to the president in total there? >> i don't do well on making a joke about russian interference in our elections. and if you've read the mueller report, you know that there is no doubt, it's spelled out in no uncertain terms that russia tried to interfere in our 2016 election. we are already hearing from many of our different law enforcement officials that they are trying to do the same thing. so making a joke out of these thugs trying to interfere in our country is not okay with me to be frank. >> we have the house passing securing america's federal elections act. that would require measures to

help avoid interference in the election. does this go up for a vote in the senate and if it makes it to the president's desk, are you concerned about whether or not he signs it? especially after he handled the subject at g-20? >> i would like to see the senate take up securing our elections. there are many different pieces of this. i've had my own bill last year that would just say we should have paper ballots so if we need to do recounts, they would be safe. we need to make sure we're giving enough money to the states so we can secure the election process. so i know that senators in both parties have expressed their concern. i'd like to see them take it up. i'm always going to be positive. failure to do so is a threat to our democracy. i would hope the president would sign something like that. and if the american people speak loud enough, maybe he'll feel the pressure to do so. >> one more question on the topic of russia with robert mueller. finally set to testify before two house panels next month. what's the number one question you want your colleagues to ask

him? >> do you believe that there was obstruction of justice? and i'd like him to answer it for the american people. you know, i'm going to see this to you, alex. i think a lot of people haven't read this report. i'm home. you know that. i come home every weekend. i was out all day yesterday at festivals, car cruises, and a town hall meeting. i had people that came to the town hall meeting and interrupted it to call for impeachment. but i'll tell you there were more people yesterday -- some were nice. some weren't so nice, about don't impeach. they have very strong feelings, and i spent a day like i did yesterday in my district, and it was the same kind of feeling that made me predict what could happen two and a half years ago. this country is torn. what i want to see at the mueller testimony is facts that all the american people can hear and make their determination about what happened. and i think a lot of americans haven't read that report. i think that mueller testimony will be watched.

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after greeting kim jong-un at the demilitarized zone. >> a lot of from gresz has been made. this has been a great friendship. i want to thank you. that was quick note, and i want to thank you. >> let's bring in our guests. and roland martin, host and. is there a measure of substance to this moment, or do you think it's just a photo op? >> it is just a photo op. and what's more disturbing is how donald trump conflates progress and friendship. that's not how world leaders operate. i think at this point chairman kim jong-un is there just to kind of facilitate the pr for himself and his own country. we know this is going to be running 24/7 in north korea.

and donald trump has once again he's taken away the thunder from everything else we'll be talking about about the debate probably later on in the next segment, but he has taken this and owned the new cycle again with achieving absolutely nothing. i get that there's two sides if you should be talking to him or not, meaning kim, but i still -- it's still shocking he would basically come out and say there's been success while they just met. >> your point is well taken. on the flip side, does the president deserve some credit for going to this length he's trying to start denuclearization talks? >> well, look, talking is better than shooting. photo bombing is better than real bombing. so, okay, fine. let's give him credit that after almost starting a war in 2017 with all of his talk of fire and

fury, he's now stepped back from the brink. nice. i'm glad he's done that. we sleep a little bit easier. but this is not progress. it doesn't represent anything except more of a reality tv show. so we have to wait until he actually delivers something before we can call it historic. just because he stepped over the dmz and no president has done that, you know, in 50 years, no president has been to a lot of places. so it's a footnote in history. it's not truly historic. it would make the footnotes. okay. but you have to wait and see whether it leads to something. and the idea of kim who has now gotten what he wanted which is recognition, the stature that comes with being on the same stage repeatedly with the president when he has a gdp that's the size of a small back ward african country, he's got

what he wants. why would he now make a whole series of other concessions? what is in it for him to back down further? so i think he won't do anything to enflame the situation, but i can't see him limiting his nuclear weapons at this point. >> roland, the president, is he suggesting that he could -- >> look, this is the equivalent of me taking a selfie with oprah and saying i had a one on one interview with her. that's all this is. donald trump is not a man of substance. donald trump is not a man who likes details. he is a reality show person. that's all he wants. he just wants the headlines. he just wants the attention. and so inviting a north korean leader to the white house does the exact same thing. what is it -- what has been

achieved? nothing. nothing. nothing of substance, and then, of course, north korea continues to build their program and he says oh, no, no, no they're not. things are changing. we have to understand the man that we're dealing with. he's a narcissist. he only wants the attention. and so tomorrow look at "the new york times" headlines, he's going to say see, wasn't that great? that's what matters. that's what we have to understand about this man. >> okay. susan said we're going to be coming back and talking about the debate. we are going to do that. and specifically, the new attacks after that debate against senator kamala harris and how her democratic rivals are backing her up. creamy avocado... and a dressing fit for a goddess. come taste what a salad should be. and order online for delivery right to you. panera. food as it should be. [ laughter throughout ]

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being able to change lives. the democratic contenders coming to the defense of senator kamala harris, the senator being targeted by online attacks, they are slamming as racist and comparing to birtherism. donald trump jr. attributed for elevating the attacks with this retweet about harris' race, he later deleted it. here is julian castro and what he had to say earlier. >> this is the game that these folks play. they put something out there, you notice what he did, he tweeted it out and then he fl t

deleted it, like a coward, so he can say that is just a mistake, but he knows what he's doing. he's giving voice to these racist, you know, utterances about senator harris. >> let's bring the panel back in. jonathan, susan and roland. roland, you first. don jr.'s spokesman said that don sweet was simply asking him if it was true that kamala harris was half-indian because it is not something he had ever heard before. once he saw folks were miss construing the intent he quickly deleted it. what do you make of this? >> donald trump jr. is frado and clearly can't read a bio. all he has to do is read the i would owe of senator kamala harris and you will understand her background. he is probably the dumbest of all the trump children. but here is the real issue here, the attacks on senator kamala harris' blackness really started the moment she announced. where it's really coming from, this is black self-hate cloaked

in black self-love. there are people out there who are saying that because she is not a descendant of slaves, she really can't speak to the black experience. they dismiss the fact that she went to hbcu, this he dismiss her actual background. that's the real issue here. there are black people out there that say obama didn't do in you have for african-americans. what they're not doing is demanding policy questions, they're questioning her blackness. you may have some fools out there who are black, especially a lot of black men, who are criticizing her because her husband is white and so i understand that folks are talking about donald trump jr. retweeting this, but really you've got some asinine black folks out there who are the ones who are questioning her blackness and they are shameful and they are despicable and they should be called out at every turn. >> why do you, susan, think that the trumps keep wading into this territory? we can specifically focus on don jr. >> well, don jr. doesn't -- the

apple doesn't fall far from the tree. that's exactly what his father would do. he put out these comments and likes to stir the pot, to roland's comments. he is kind of frado but i don't give him that much credit probably. he's stoking the fire and thinks he knows what he's doing in these things and clearly he does not. all he wants to do is provoke a certain part of donald trump's base out there and then say, oops, i'm sorry. well, that doesn't cut it. i'd like to say one thing about senator harris. i was watching her up there and i was -- it was great to see a woman being up there, having the debate she had, and i understand the importance of her race and her sex and what it means to a lot of young women out there, but what i saw was the only candidate acting presidential who i could see going up and meeting with world leaders and having a conversation. i think she just -- she went in there prepared and she now has a lot of people surprised and shocked and they don't know what to do with it.

>> if not going up in a debate. >> right. >> i mean, that would be an extraordinary thing if she went up in a debate against donald trump. yeah. >> there's that. >> so, jonathan, he says he deletes the tweet, we are back to donald trump skrujr., cannoto the impact of it. talk about the kind of damage it does when you put these ideas out there. >> so anybody can now drop anything into the bloodstream, but this is not just about donald trump jr., you know, there was a story about how these republicans are putting up these fake websites about democrats. so they've decided that whether on twitter, on this issue or on -- against other candidates, they are going to try to disrupt the democratic primaries. now, what does that remind you of, alex? who are the last people who tried to disrupt one of our elections? russians. bob mueller indicted more than a dozen of them for using social media to try to disrupt our elections. this time we're going to see

what you might call russian republicans who will be doing this between now and november of 2020, and the public is going to have to be informed that you have people in our own country, republicans, who are acting like, you know, russian agents basical basical basically so heing dis prupgs in our -- >> the africans out there who want to see the black agenda, that is fair, but to have this purity test for senator kamala harris is shameful. they should be called out and african-american leaders, civil rights leaders, the black caucus and others should be challenging these folks because it is ridiculous. what they are doing, they are actually trying to suppress the vote and don't be surprised if you see russia in 2020 pick up on this, forming dissent within the black community and, again, if you want to challenge senator harris on policies, do so, but do not dare question the issue

of blackness because if you do you can't talk about congresswoman shirley chis em, you can't talk about malcolm x, harry belafonte, colin powell, eric holder. many faerns who have family from the african dis pra like senator harris. >> i want to pick up on one of your points. i'm not sure all the people tweeting this material are even black. >> you have a lot of people who are fake. >> 2016 you saw russians and republican operatives trying to get african-americans to not vote for hillary clinton. so there's a lot of people who are not who they say they are. >> john, a lot of these folks are black. jonathan, i've been dealing with them since february. >> some of them are, not even. >> they even questioned my blackness because my paternal great-grandparents migrated from haiti. those folks who are black, who are doing it shame on all of you. question her policies, but don't

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the handshake in north korea

is trump's historic meeting with kim really going to get a no nukes deal? online attacks, why kamala harris' democratic rivals are coming to her defense. she making the fourth of july, what trump has planned that has many shaking their heads. good day, from right here msnbc world headquarters in new york welcome to "weekends in alex witt." we begin with the breaking news the president on his way home after a historic day at the dmz. he became the first sitting president to step on to north korean soil. he sat down with kim jong-un for about a 50-minute long meeting and extended a public invitation to kim to visit the white house. here is how he summed up the events. >> we just had a very, very good meeting with chairman kim. the team will try to work out some details. speed is not the object, we want to see if we can do a really capri help sieve good deal. this was a very legendary, very historic day. quick notice, nobody saw this coming. and speaking with president moon, oftentimes he was saying

this is historic, just the meeting is historic. a lot has already come up because you see what's going on and you see what's happening and you see the level of relationship as opposed to the way it was when i came into office. when i came into office it was a fiery mess. >> a north korean defector later told nbc news there is zero chance kim will give up nuclear weapons. nbc's jackie mackey frayer is in seoul with more on all of this. janice, what came of that meeting ultimately between the two? >> reporter: it isn't exactly clear what the two men talked about, but it was expected to last a couple of minutes, president trump had initially said, but then went on for nearly an hour. so there were some obvious issues of substance that were being addressed. kim jong-un also likely airing his grievances and disappointment with how the hanoi summit ended when he went home empty handed and somewhat embarrassed that the u.s. had not agreed to some sort of

sanctions relief. president trump, however, feels that it's game on again, that negotiations will soon get back on track with new teams of negotiators, probably within two to three weeks. here is more of what he had to say about today's meeting. >> we had a very productive meeting. i outlined the incredible prosperity that awaits north korea when this whole thing gets settled. i have been talking about this for a long time. but that's a country with tremendous potential. >> reporter: the golden question, of course, does it all mean something? is it more than just a photo op for both men to try to score points at home? there is the sense that a reset button has been pushed, that this takes us back to where we were about 15 months ago, however, north korea still not agreeing to give up its nuclear weapons, still adding to its stockpiles and within the last couple of months has already resumed testing of short-range

missiles and weapons, something the u.s. does not seem to care about. this was a public relations win for kim jong-un. he can hold this up as further validation that he is, in fact, a world leader, an international player, a man who president trump asked specifically to meet him and president trump himself said to kim jong-un today that in showing up he made them both look good. alex? >> janis mackey frayer in seoul, thank you very much for that. joining me now adam mounts and joe racincioni. gentlemen, with a welcome to you both. joe, i'm going to go to you here first. do you think the offer as the president put it of incredible prosperity is enough to convince kim to give up his country's nukes? you add in perhaps a presidential visit there at the white house. >> no, it isn't, alex. i've been watching your coverage all afternoon, it's been

excellent covering all angles on this. as you and others have pointed out, this was a public relations win for the president and for kim that dominates the news cycle on an important sunday afternoon. what it's not for either man. kim wants not just publicity or legitimacy, he needs sanctions relief, he needs the president of the united states to relieve some of those sanctions. what does trump want? more than a one-day story he needs a foreign policy victory. his foreign policy agenda has been in tatters, he has nothing significant to point to. with this exception, he could get an interim deal with north korea that could dismantle part not just freeze but dismantle part of the north's program in exchange for some significant relief. that was on the table at hanoi, both sides overreached, both sides miscalculated. this meeting may have put that deal back on. >> interesting. adam, weigh in on that, the prospect of an interim deal or

baby steps, if you will, rather than going for the whole kit and caboodle. >> i think that's exactly right. it's just not feasible to imagine kim jong-un dismantling his entire nuclear and missile arsenals just on the promise of economic sanctions relief in the sort of distant future. these are weapons that he thinks keeps his regime safe from attack, he values them a lot. in fact, the regime has said publicly that they are expanding and mass producing their nuclear missile arsenals and that's what the intelligence has shown since the start of negotiations. so it's not feasible to imagine that we can just jump start talks with the presidential stunt every time they slow down. they need a momentum of their own. and the way to do that is to have interim deals that demonstrate real security benefits to both countries and that can propel talks onward to bigger and better deals subsequently. >> you know, joe, the president

really appeared to downplay kim's most recent weapons test. let's listen to what he said here. >> very small ones, these are missiles that practically every country tests. i mean, these were very -- we don't consider that a missile test. actually, it wasn't a test. but we're talking about ballistic missiles, long range ballistic missiles and not only not testing them, hasn't even come close to testing and most importantly there were no nuclear tests. >> is that accurate, though, that practically every country tests small missiles? >> here is the president redefining reality. they tested rockets, okay, those might not be missiles, but they also tested short-range missiles. very capable short-range missiles, nuclear capable that could strike south korea. there's president moon standing right next to them who is a winner also by the way in this meeting, it enhances his agenda for peace with north korea, reconciliation with north korea, but he doesn't want the okay, the green light given by the

president of the united states to keep threatening weapons that can threaten him. the president is right, there are no long-range missile tests, there were no nuclear tests going on, that's a plus for him, but it's far short of what we need. >> what about your expectations going forward, adam, given the hawkish divide on the president's national security team and how the lower level talks have gone in the past. i mean, there has been speculation that john bolton potentially would be none too pleased with all of this because he has add separated in the past for don't even put a handshake there. >> yeah, it's definitely a turn around for bolton. the indication right side that trump's team still struggles to make this adjustment towards a more realistic negotiating strategy which is part of why they've failed to make progress so far. but, look, two things happened yesterday that were important and should have happened a year ago. first, you saw the president point to steve biegun behind him over his shoulder and say this is the guy, this is my negotiator. that's long overdue.

the other thing is that he met with the north and south koreans together, so linking the south korean peace process with u.s. negotiations could yield some real dividends. the problem is now all that's left is the hard work. it's this so far i remember rec sill i can't believe problem where kim jong-un is not going to eliminate his nuclear arsenal by the end of trump's first term so we need a more reasonable approach. >> what, joe, do you think iran is thinking as they look on to all this? does the president at all send some sort of a message that, hey, having nuclear weapons puts iran in a more powerful negotiating position because look what's happening with north korea? >> it does, it sends exactly that message, alex, that if you have nuclear weapons i will treat you more seriously. i will solicit a meeting with you. but it also tends trump's message which is let's talk. let's talk. you can gain by having talks. the problem is iran is not north korea. they've seen what trump is doing

in the region. so unlike north korea, where trump has ratcheted back his threats, ratcheted back military maneuvers, military tensions on the border, in the persian gulf he's increasing them. john bolton is pushing ships into the region, increasing the number of threats. so there is no way that the iranians are going to, as they say, negotiate with a knife to our throat. you are going to have to see a change in administration actions to get this kind of message to convince the iranians to talk. >> adam, with the president appearing to soften somewhat on the idea of sanctions, is there a likelihood that this administration could come around to accept north korea as a nuclear state if, as the president was indicating earlier, they were just small nuclear missiles? >> well, if indeed there is a shift in stance and the administration is willing to continue to consider, you know, at least partial sanctions relief over this sort of step by step process towards a larger

nuclear deal, that would be encouraging. the administration has not been willing to make that shift so far. i mean, look, i'm old fashioned. the president stood on the border with north korea, this brutal gu lag regime where crimes against humanity are taking place day in and day out, invited this dictator to the white house, criticized the press when he was standing there and lied to the american people saying the threat has gone away, i've solved it. i'm old fashioned. i can't get over that. i think it's a huge dereliction of duty. if he's just in this for the political optics it's extremely hard to imagine how he could bring about the integrity and the credibility to make real progress on peace or on arms control. >> i just want to be clear, the president was not previously referenced small nuclear weapons, he was references small missiles, but i was wondering if you might accept small nuclear

weapons. that's what i was referring to. thank you both so much. joining now bill co zach and katie wells. bob, we had the president giving the appearance that this was an impromptu meeting but according to your paper the president told the hill in an exclusive interview back on monday that he might meet with kim. i know there was some information at the time that it was off the record, but did he specifically mention the dmz as well, that that could be the place for the meeting? >> yes, we asked him that question because we knew he was about to go on the trip and for security reasons we didn't report it right away at the white house's request, but at the same time telling kind of the back story. i mean, this is something that when this president is thinking about photo ops, he's thinking ahead of time. not exactly impromptu, but certainly historic. >> okay. i'm curious about the logistics of this, katie. can something like this be organized within, i don't know,

12, 24 hours as the president suggested? >> well, i mean, there's certainly huge security concerns associated with a president of the united states doing what trump has done, which is to become the first sitting president of the united states to step into north korea. now, we are talking about walking like ten steps into north korea, you know, we are not talking about, oh, he is going to get into an airplane and go to pyongyang, we are talking about literally they meet at this line, shake hands -- >> a heavily fortified line, by the way. >> right, a heavily fortified line. you have security, major amounts of security on both sides that are standing right there. the question, i think, really is, yes, going to the dmz and having this meeting is a huge security lift, how many bigger is the security lift for having walked ten steps into north korea, that's not as clear to me. >> critics say this is all for show, there are supporters arguing this is part of an effort to try to stop north korea's nuclear program. is there any way to measure the mekt ichbs of that moment at the dmz right now? >> not really.

we have had a lot of photo ops over the last 18 months, but as far as deal making, we don't have a deal. it remains to be seen if any deal is going to be taking place. the remainder of this year. it's definitely good that they are not exchanging insults, not called etch auto other dotards like they used to be, but at the same time they have no deal in place. is the president getting closer? well, maybe, but we thought that before and we don't have an agreement. >> i want to go back to the president's remarks, katie, promising north korea prosperity if they denuclearize. do you think that's a good enough incentive and what would it take for north korea to denuclearize? >> there's two different tracks that i think are kind of getting conflated here and one of them has to do with the ratcheting down of tensions, one of them has to do with what is the risk level right now of like some kind of conflict in between the united states and north korea and then the other one is as you've alluded to now the actual substantive negotiations over

denuclearization. when you start talking about the second bucket, when you actually start talking about the negotiations over denuclearization, this is a hugely technical conversation that involves expert negotiators from both sides who sort of have the ability to kind of lay the groundwork, set parameters and set sort of frame works that the president and kim jong-un are then going to be able to operate within when they're actually having these face-to-face meetings. without knowing what trump and kim jong-un actually talked about in this 50-minute meeting this morning, it's very hard to tell whether or not what we have now seen is just, okay, the personal relationship is allowing tensions to ratchet down, maybe changing the domestic political environment a little bit to allow room for the substantive negotiations to go forward again, or whether or not what we've seen is -- is just the status quo, just ongoing sort of pomp and circumstance, it's a photo on that doesn't actually change what each side is asking for.

because, remember, they had kind of a framework that they were working with when they went into the meeting in vietnam and of course as you say, both sides overstepped, nobody -- everybody sort of walked away from this meeting having not gotten what they were hoping to trade off as the concessions for what they were hoping to get. so has that changed? i don't know. we don't know. we weren't in the room. >> i want to switch gears because both of you are there in d.c. with the "washington post" reporting the president wants to include a ticketed access area for vips that would include friends and family in front of the lincoln memorial on the holiday july 4th. the list of changes is adding up, bob. the president is going to make a speech now. talk about the perception about all of this in d.c. >> well, certainly for trump critics this is the president making him the center of attention. to trump supporters this is a celebration of america and you should celebrate the president as well. so this is something that the president has talked about a parade for military, now he's

focused on july 4th. there have been more preparations than in the past, it's getting a lot of local press of closing down fields, a little bit earlier than normal, but without a doubt this july 4th is going to be very political. >> absolutely. i mean, the critics are saying, katie, that he is politicizing our national holiday that's for everybody. this is going to also cost a lot in terms of security adjustments and bob was alluding to things they have to close down. what are you hearing in d.c. there? >> well, you know, i'm hearing -- what i'm hearing is a mirror of some of the same conversations that were when president trump was weighing the idea of doing a major national military parade that has so impressed him in other countries. the fact of the matter is it is a huge logistical lift, anytime you have the president involved it does significantly raise both the costs and just the practical logistics of putting on xyz event and i think that is going to continue to be kind of the swirling focal point, how much

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border patrol facilities. you know, if president obama was in the white house now it wouldn't be a problem, but under the trump administration you could give them several billion dollars which would supposedly be going to take care of these kids and under this bill the money could be reprogrammed to something else and also standards wouldn't have to be set. so if these republicans are so terribly worried about the money going to take care of the kids, they themselves can urge the white house and the administration to make sure that they set strict standards for the care and feeding of these -- of these migrant children. >> congresswoman, talk to me about the politicization of all of this. do you think at all part of the reason that your party took eight weeks or so to come to an agreement on this border bill is because the president said it was a crisis. i mean, put this into context. >> well, the problem that we've had, and it is a very real problem, is that this year there

has been a surge in unaccompanied minors. they are coming mostly from central america where you have these terrible conditions, but instead of trying to put together a comprehensive system where the kids could be taken in by the border patrol and then immediately transferred to the office of refugee resettlement, that's hhs, that's the agency that has the ability to care for the kids. instead of doing that the administration has just sort of let this -- let this fester. what needs to happen, i talked to the head of orr last week, they are the ones who know how to take care of kids, but the problem is they are not getting the kids within 72 hours like they're supposed to. i talked to him and i said why aren't you getting the kids? and he said because we don't have the facilities and it just seems to me there is a lack of coordination between the

different agencies, the border patrol and the hhs people who are supposed to be taking care of these kids. they need to fix that. they need to be taking care of the kids from the minute they come into the u.s. custody and then they need to be reunited with their families as quickly as possible. >> is there also an extent of lack of coordination between what nancy pelosi is signaling and what which chuck schumer is signaling because it has been articulated many different places that there's now some trouble between them because they didn't appear to be on the same page? >> well, i thought that the house bill was a better bill in that it set standards for the kids coming in at the borer, but the bottom line is we had to get the money to be able to deal with this surge of children that's coming across and ultimately it's not nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's responsibility to spend that money wisely and take care of the kids, it's the administration's responsibility.

what i'm concerned about and one reason i did support the house bill, but even with the senate bill, it's several billions of dollars that you could be spending to put together seamless programs that provide good nutrition, good care, tooth brushes and showers and clothing and diapers for these kids at the border. so i understand that the republicans are trying to blame us, but the fact is now the money has been appropriated, now the administration has to put together the programs to make sure that these kids are taken care of. >> i know that you spoke with the hhs refugee director this past week and you have mentioned this, but what are there, 178 kids, is it, that have been in custody of border patrol for more than 72 hours? doesn't that violate the law? >> yes, it does. so under the -- under the court agreement that was entered into

last year, the customs and border patrol is only supposed to hold children for up to 72 hours and the reason is because they're not skilled at taking care of those kids. it's really just a processing facility. then they're supposed to transfer them to the office of refugee resettlement. and i asked the director why if that's the law do you still have almost 200 kids who have been lang sling there over 72 hours? he didn't have a good answer for me. he said some of those kids it was family units were some were older, some were younger, some of them were sick, but he didn't really have a specific reason why these kids weren't being put into the places where they can be taken care of in a humane and comprehensive way. and that's what i'm upset about is there doesn't seem to be adequate communication between the government agencies that are supposed to be taking care of

these kids. this frankly has been happening, alex, ever since last year when they had the family separation is the right hand is not talking to the left hand. >> so how long is it going to take to get these kids blankets, soap, tooth brushes and get them what they need? >> so what we need to do is even though the senate bill didn't say you have to give them blankets, soap and truth brushes, common sense would tell you that you need to do this. humanity would tell you you need to do this. and so i and many of my colleagues in congress, we intend to stay laser like focused on this to make sure these children are treated in a humane way and that they're transferred appropriately and that they're reunited with their family members. as you said, i'm the chair of the oversight subcommittee, i've been having ongoing hearings in my committee since february. we had a hearing in february, we're having an ongoing

investigation with the possibility of more hearings to make sure that these kids are treated with dignity and that they are put into homes where they can be reunited with their families. >> staying on the job certainly. colorado congresswoman diana degree get. thank you so much. twitter attacks against senator kamala harris bring her 2020 democratic rivals to her defense. we will show you who helped spread some of the misinformation. ho helped spread some of the misinformation

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new today democratic presidential candidate and california senator kamala harris back in her home state of california to attend the pride parade in san francisco. joining me now nbc's vaughn hillyard who is there tracking the senator for us. hello to you, vaughan. harris spoke at a breakfast this morning i understand. what did she say? >> exactly. she's here in san francisco, she was just born across the bay over in oakland but went on to serve as san francisco district attorney, california state attorney general. we are here at the pride parade here in san francisco, she just wrapped up remarks over at the pride annual breakfast. i want to play for you a little bit of what she said when it comes to her history with lgbt community as well as the

contrast with president donald trump. >> the current occupant of the white house has no appreciation, probably no interest clearly and probably no knowledge of this history. of this work. he says he wants to make america great again. again for whom? back before couples could marry, all couples? back before gay couples could adopt? well, i'm running for president because we're not going back. >> reporter: kamala harris is thought of highly here in california among lgbt advocates going back to back to back when california voters passed proposition 8 in 2008, it essentially banned same-sex marriages in the state. kamala harris became the attorney general of california and chose not to defend that case. it ultimately went to the supreme court, another federal court ruled that same-sex marriages should be legal here

in the state of california and that ultimately spun off into same-sex marriages being able to take place here in california. kamala harris will be joining the rally here shortly, riding through the streets of san francisco in a red mustang convertible here through the streets of san francisco. >> to go with that snazzy jacket that she was wearing as well. it's a big parade there, we have a big one in new york as well, probably the two biggest in the country. vaughn hillyard, thank you so much from san francisco. the new request he is about ivanka trump's discussion with a group of world leaders at the g20 summit and the congresswoman who is calling her out on social media. ongresswoman who is calling her out on social media. got it? got it. it's slippery. nooooo.... nooooo.... nooooo.... yeeeesss.... quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent than the leading ordinary brand. bounty, the quicker picker upper.

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this comes at a very high cost. this gives kim jong-un a lot of legitimacy. this is gold for him politically at home and in the world. and secondly, this is going to weaken sanctions enforcement against north korea because if you are another country you're going to say to yourself, my companies don't need to pay a price, they are now getting along, you are going to step back a little bit. we are paying a price for this. >> former acting cia director under president obama on the historic moment earlier this morning. president trump becoming the first sitting u.s. president to step foot into north korea after greeting kim jong-un in the demilitarized zone. the president announcing both sides agreeing to resume denuclearization talks. let's bring in msnbc contributor

adrian elrod, former senior advisor to hillary clinton's campaign. democratic strategic don callaway and former nevada state gop chairwoman air tarkanian. amy, begin the cost we heard director morell outline there, do you think the president gave up too much by this photo op because there is no guarantee this is going to lead to any different results than the two previous summits they have held. >> right. that's very true. there is no guarantee. north korea has never given us a guarantee historically. so i think the fact that the president has made history by being the first sitting president to cross the dmz line i think it is a great start. you even have the pope appraising his encounter. if you go back to 2008 president obama himself said how important it was to have open communication with our adversaries. so i think this is a good thing. >> okay. what about you, don? i mean, the president calls this progress. are you going to give him any credit for being the first sitting u.s. president to set foot into north korea? >> no.

the answer is no. i just don't understand like why? what are we getting out of this? this is not the first time they have met, this is the third time they have met. republicans are supposedly the party of fiscal conservatism, how much did it cost for him to go to the demilitarized zone just to get a photo op with kim jong-un. again, why? they didn't have dee militarization talks, this he didn't have talks about advancing human rights and this is a known human rights dictator and violator. i just don't understand why. it continues to be the charade, the television presidency and it makes no sense to me from a substantive level. >> i'm curious a green, why you are perspective. president trump floating an invitation for kim jong-un to come to the white house. here is how he later explained those comments. take a listen to what he said. >> well, i just asked him outside, i said, do you know what, at the right time you're going to come over, we will go over there. we have a ways to go yet. we'll see. but i would -- i would certainly extend the invite, but i actually mentioned out there in

front of the press, i said, anytime he wants to do it, but i think we want to take this down to the next step. let's see what happens. >> so potentially validating kim jong-un by bringing him to the white house. what's your thought on this approach? do you endorse this or no? >> no, of course not, alex, i absolutely don't endorse it and i agree completely with what don said that this was -- clearly trump is trying to have some made for tv moment by, you know, costing u.s. taxpayer dollars, god knows how much money, to create secure conditions for him to actually cross no north korea. i mean, that alone is so, you know, distasteful and disgusting for an actual sitting u.s. president to do and then to take it one step further and inviting the most murderous dictator in the entire world to say, oh, hey, come to the white house whenever you want torques it's an open door, we welcome you to our nation's capital to the white house, i mean, i just --

it violates everything that the united states president should do in this kind of situation and i also have to say, alex, he better get some sort of thiel on denuclearization out of this because for him to go into north korea, which is so unprecedented, which is unprecedented, and then to say you can come to the white house, you know, we are just setting up a situation here that completely is illogical to any sort of past foreign policy, you know, precedent sets that u.s. presidents have taken. >> 'em a, given the description of who kim jong-un is, add that to, let's say it was president obama who had done this and stepped foot into north korea and then subsequently invited this dictator to the white house to join him, wouldn't republicans be up in arms about this? >> some would be, yes, and some actually were even when president obama, like i mentioned earlier, when he said how important it was to keep conversation open with add

varies such as iran and syria. some republicans were upset with that. i was not one of them, but i do agree with adrian and don as far as inviting this murderous dictator to the white house, i don't think that was necessary. i like the idea how they did previously where they could go meet on a different -- >> neutral turf. >> yes, absolutely. and we already know, too, that kim jong-un he is somebody who is very paranoid. so i don't even know if he would actually take that offer up, even went so far as to have his toilets checked, would only travel on a certain train and has a very old plane from what i understand. i don't evan auto know if he would be able to make it over here. i do not like the fact that the president does praise him in the manner that he does. i think he goes overboard. but i still like the fact that at least he has his ear. >> let me ask you guys what's playing out on the world stage. ivanka trump raising eyebrows because she had some pretty high

profile positioning at the g20. in this video she's seen talking with emanuel macron, justin trudeau, theresa may, christine lagarde, three heads of state and one who heads the mif. what do you make of optics around her role there? don, you first, then adrian. >> it's just stomach churning. the thing about impostor syndrome that it rarely inflicts the actual imposters. here you have some of the titans of the world, christine lagarde is one of the smartest human beings in the world. theresa may, emanuel macron, these are actual elected, in lagarde's case appointed word leaders. ivanka trump is none of that. shame on her dad that he graves her this access. is it a security question? is she qualified to be talking world leadership in the direction of people's actual lives, the lives of nations. this is really actually an embarrassment. it's also just inn cred clee nonself-aware on ivanka's part to even put had errself in that

position and to talk about women's rights and things of that nature, what about the women, the kids, the girls who are locked up in cages, what about those mothers who are looking for their kids. worry about that back home. this is really just embarrassing. >> last word to you, adrian. >> yeah, i mean, alex, i completely agree with don and i think ivanka likes to put herself in situations where, you know, she is high fluting around with world leaders and the christine lagardes of this world, but what she needs to be doing is exactly what don just mentioned which is going town to the border, visiting these families, trying to help reunite children with their families at the border. but that's not the photo on that she's looking for. she wants to be grandstanding with some of the top leaders in the world which she has no qualifications to do. >> you guys, sit tight. we're going to have another chat on the other side of a break. this one will be about the new attacks against kamala harris and who in the trump family helped spread them. s and who in the trumpam fily helped spread them cravings com, be stronger... with new nicorette coated ice mint. layered with flavor...

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which he later detweeted. castro blasting him in these new comments. >> this is the game that these folks play. they put something out there. you notice what he did. he tweeted it out, and then he deleted it like a coward so he could say, oh, that was just a mistake. but he knows what he's doing. he's giving voice to these racist, you know, utterances about senator harris. >> they are back with me. dawn, let's take a look at what don jr.'s spokesman told nbc news and "the new york times." don's tweet was simply asking if it was true that kamala harris was half indian because it's not something he had ever heard before. once he saw folks were misconstruing the intent of his tweet, he quickly deleted it. but he's got 3.5 million plus twitter followers. shouldn't he know better? >> he's also got a whole bunch

of people he can ask. and he's also got access to the google machine, just like i do, if he really wants to know kamala harris's ethnic underpinnings. he need not crowd source it. let's be clear about something. this is an attempt to otherwise kamala harris now that she has emerged as a legitimate threat to the president. but reasonable adults can hold more than one thing in their mind at one time. kamala harris is entirely black. she's entirely indian. she's entirely american and she's also entirely excellent. it is a heinous idea to decide what blackness is when blackness and black people are not monolithic. it is an attempt to otherwise her much in the same way we saw barack obama happened in 2008 with the birtherism stuff. don jr. knows better. but i have no expectations of anything reasonable or righteous coming out of his mouth or off his thumbs. >> we saw kamala harris at the

pride parade in downtown san francisco. amy, what do you think don jr.'s intention was there? if he really wanted to know what her ethnic background was, he actually could have just googled it. >> right. no, he very well could have. and i think unfortunately, and i myself, i'm guilty of this sometimes. sometimes my fingers are a little too itchy, a little too quick. and maybe you have regrets about what you tweeted. maybe that's why he deleted it. but he is in the public eye more so than myself, so, yes, he three million follows did see that. i don't think he intended on it coming across as racist. it was a legitimate question. but, yes, he could have found it out without doing that route. >> you don't think there was something more sin ter about that like putting out a message? >> i didn't talk to him about it. and i would hope not. how about that? >> okay. why do we, adrian, keep finding the trumps embroiled in these controversies? >> you know why?

because they used these tactics before. and to an extent they actually worked. it is blatant racism. but i think this was absolutely intentional by don trump jr. just as muches a his father's blata blatant, you know, attempts to exploit birtherism and turn it into this ridiculous conspiracy theory that sadly was talked a lot about in 2008. they are trying to do the same thing now. they also see kamala harris as a threat. they see strong women as a threat. this is what they did to hillary clinton at a totally different level. we're seeing them use racism to hurt kamala harris. >> listen, i don't see the two of you as being a threat. i welcome you ladies on to the show all the time. adrian and amy and don as well, thank you guys so much. have a good 4th, my friends. president trump visits the dmz and talks into north korea. the questions and criticism about what he's actually

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it's the top of the hour. that's a wrap here on weekends with alex with my colleague. we will continue all our coverage right now. have a great 4th of july. >> happy 4th to you, too. good afternoon to everyone there. president trump and chairman kim together again. the leaders meeting in the dmz and president trump taking the few historic steps inside north korea. >> we met and we like each other

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