named little nas x behind the song "old time road," he announced he's coming out. using twitter and later pointed to the rainbow colored building on his album cover. that does it for "the beat." we wanted to give you those updates. "hardball" is up next. california, here she comes. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. an afternoon poll today shows a big shake-up in the democratic presidential race after last week's debate. biden is down big. kamala is up big. also, donald trump walks into north korea, but then gets thrown by a high school question about western-style liberalism. plus, this look into political warfare up in pennsylvania. >> you need to follow the rules,

mr. president. >> homeless living in shelters. >> you need to follow the president. point of order, mr. president. point of order, mr. president. point of order! >> tonight i'm going to talk to that state senator there who was shouted down by her republican colleague as she defended a program for the state's poorest people. we begin tonight with what a difference a debate makes. the first democratic debate in its history now, a new poll out just today, shows significant gains for senator kamala harris. also for elizabeth warren. and bad news for joe biden. the cnn poll found the former vice president maintaining his front-runner status, but down at 22%. down ten points since may. california senator harris has evolved to second place, up nine points for her. senator elizabeth warren gained in her case eight points to come in third and overtaking senator bernie sanders who went down

four points. kamala harris' rise comes from a breakout challenge to biden for his comments over working with segregationist senators and his opposition to federally-mandated bussing back in the '70s. senator cory booker who also criticized biden's comments took issue with what biden said friday about african-american teenagers. here goes biden again. >> you got to recognize that kid wearing a hoodie may very well be the next poet laureate and not a gang-banger. >> as a young black guy in america who was followed and surveilled, faced that indignity and even the danger of that, being perceived to be a threat, again, this is just another example of just conversations or lessons that joe biden shouldn't have to learn. >> i'm joined by donna edwards, former maryland congresswoman and "washington post" columnist. and a great one at that.

who am i to say? but you are a great writer. i think i'm giddy about politics today. because it shows nights matter, donna. people watch. they pay attention. they make judgements. they change their minds. it shows there's lights at home and people are home and paying attention. >> well, that's right. this was the beginning and joe biden got punched hard, and the question now is how he's going to rebound or whether he can. look, there are two candidates -- >> what's your bet? was it one off for her, one down for him or a trend setting evening? >> i'm not betting, but, look, i think there are two candidates who are rising, elizabeth warren and kamala harris, and there are two candidates who are falling, joe biden and bernie sanders. and now the question is, you know, getting from now to the next debate in the fall who the survivors are. >> cornell, let's talk about bernie for having some fun here. he was like christopher loyd the other night in "back to the future." waving his arms around, talking

about revolution. where we're going, we won't need roads. what are we talking about? whereas biden looked like he was out of his element. to have all this diversity around him. all this competition. all this modern quick talk. he wasn't really ready for it. >> well, it's surprising that he wasn't really ready for it because i can't believe that he wasn't better prepped because his response to harris hitting him, he looked shocked and he actually raised his voice at her. i was sitting there in the studio and i couldn't believe that a veteran like this wasn't prepared for that. so he completely fumbled and got hit hard. >> he didn't look at her, by the way. he looked down. >> he didn't look at her at all. which is a problem for a woman. he visibly raised his voice. a no-no. what you should never do. he sort of lost his cool. she clearly shook him up. what's interesting here is the numbers have tightened. he still has a, what, 12 or 13-point lead among african-americans and a larger lead amongst seniors. i predict that that number among african-americans is going to continue to shrink.

i actually don't have any money, but i'm betting that harris over the next month or so will, in fact, take the lead here. >> that's the norm, howard. where one person knocks another person down and a third party benefits. >> yeah. that's often the case. and you can tell when the field is this big who ultimately is going to benefit from the shake-up, but there is no doubt, the bottom line in this, and i've watched, i don't know, i've covered maybe 100 debates in my distinguished veteran career with nbc and msnbc. i don't think i've -- it's rare that i've seen one that dramatic, that you could see right in that moment -- >> yeah. >> the politics changing. >> yeah. >> about whether kamala harris is ultimately the beneficiary, you don't know. but what you do know is that joe biden, if not in free-fall is in a slow leak situation here right now, and how he turns that around, i don't know. by the way, getting the endorsement of the black woman mayor of atlanta is impressive,

but is not necessarily going to staunch the flow. i don't think. >> what i liked about the other night was -- >> full disclosure, the mayor is my client. >> okay. >> and i think they needed her -- >> did they time this for later? did they hold it back? >> i think they had to pull her out now to stop the bleeding. >> what i find great, and i hope the audience watching this right now live likes about it, what we thought was going on in the spin room, what we thought was going on covering it down there, what we saw at close range, what the candidates seemed to know, what this major main bar reporters like dan ball at "the washington post" all saw the same thing. this poll shows the people at home saw exactly the same thing. so we're all on one page. this thing about fake news is bs because the polls reflected exactly what the best straight reporters and the opinion people like us saw with -- biden had a terrible night. kamala came on like gangbusters.

i'll go back to don on this. she had destroyed brett kavanaugh. took apart bill barr, who is one tough customer. why didn't biden see he was the third strike? why didn't he know she was going to do exactly the same thing to him? >> you know what? i think a lot of people watched before, the wednesday night debate. >> the civil night. >> the civil night debate and maybe they thought it was going to be the same thing, everyone traveling in their lane and just answering questions, wrong, wrong, and wrong. i think in the debate coming up, someone's going to want to distinguish themselves and they're going to try to figure out how to do it. now kamala harris has to demonstrate not just that she can give a punch but she can take one. we haven't seen that yet. >> how do you go after someone who is really only a first-term senator. do you go at her from the left or the right? >> you go after her record. none of these campaigns are paying me, so i shouldn't be giving this advice. you go after her record. they're going to have to do some inoculating on her record.

joe almost went at it on stage because he's a defender, she's a prosecutor. there is a lot to go after in a prosecution office, especially when you're talking about a liberal progressive base of the party. >> people to her left would have to do it. who is to her left? >> i think a lot of them actually are to her left. >> on criminal justice? >> on criminal justice issues. i think her weakness will be criminal justice, on the criminal justice. i think the argument, you've put away a lot of young black men in jail and how do you -- how do you, you know, account for that? >> right. that's the possibility. everybody's worrying about the blowback. i don't see any blowback yet on kamala harris. >> okay. >> but you're right. it could be on that -- by the way, out in california, the people i've been talking to out there, her record as attorney general is mixed, not only on race but in general on getting things done. the rap on her out there was great on tv, not necessarily getting stuff done. >> well, look for elizabeth warren in this because there will you see somebody who slides up and who has had a steady progress, you know, week by week.

look for elizabeth warren. >> i think this is 2004 where you saw a lot of different candidates, clark, curry, dean, joe lieberman was in the lead for a long time. >> it comes back to the notion of sequence and dynamics. come next iowa, it's iowa. it's not south carolina. it's iowa. white iowa and elizabeth warren seems sort of midwestern in a way, even though she's from massachusetts now. she seems oklahoma a little bit. >> new hampshire. >> goes at home and wins in new hampshire. then she goes. then the african-american voter is thinking elizabeth warren is doing really well. am i going to bring kamala into this or am i going to stick? >> the dynamic changes from 2008, said time and time again, it's not a national race. it's a state by state race. the dynamics will change state by state. if she does well in new hampshire and does well in iowa, i think the african-american voters will be looking at her differently in south carolina. >> elizabeth warren started out her campaign talking about black -- talking to black voters, especially talking to black

women. she's smart on this. so i think, you know, there is a lot of time between now and certainly the fall and -- >> well, here's a little weirdness. during last thursday's debate, donald trump jr. weighed in on twitter. he retweeted a post from another person questioning harris' ancestry, saying "she's not an -- she's not an american black." he later deleted the tweet. hmm. several of harris' democratic rivals rallied to her defense, condemning the attack as racist, including biden. "the same forces of hatred rooted in birtherism that questioned barack obama's american citizenship and even his racial identity are now being used against senator kamala harris. it's disgusting and we have to call it out when we see it. racism has no place in america." donna? >> that's not a winner in the democratic party. you cannot slice and dice. >> who is pushing this crap? >> you know, look, clearly it's the right, but you have the president -- >> why are they trying to do this? are they afraid she the winner now? >> because they know that it's important for them in order for

them to win to divide people. they can slice and dice black folk. they can slice and dice black folk. they're going to do that. but here's the thing. any of us who are black, i am, we know our family has a lot of history written all over the map and across, you know, diaspora. this really falls flat and especially among democrats. >> i was thinking of the fact that her father is from jamaica, still part of the slave trade. he didn't take a vacation to go to jamaica from africa. he was dragged over there. no one questions that sidney was african-american. this thing about her father is jamaican. >> chris, the game on the trump side aside from trolling for the sake of trolling is that they think it's good to force the democrats to talk about race a lot. i think they want that discussion. they want the division. they want it to seem like an argument in the party of minorities. that's how they think and that's what they're doing. >> i don't think i'm black enough to talk on this issue.

>> sarcasm. i got to tell you something -- cornell, don't ever assume people get sarcasm on television. you got to be so careful. or irony. president trump put out his take on harris' debate performance and confrontation with joe biden on saturday at a news conference in japan. >> i think she was given too much credit for what she did. it wasn't that outstanding. and i think probably he was hit harder than he should have been hit, biden. >> do you think kamala harris would be a tough opponent for you, given what you saw in that debate? >> you never know who is going to be tough. you never know. one that you think is going to be tough turns out to be not much. >> he is -- i don't know what to say when he puts on these performances, you know, he's obviously thinking in real time and he's just enjoying the fact that -- the focus -- the whole world's watching him analyze the success of kamala harris. >> he's playing race. chris, he's playing race there

because he's saying she was given more credit than she deserved. >> oh, yeah. >> and she hit the white guy too hard. come on. it doesn't take -- it doesn't take a race translator to see what donald trump is doing. this is what he's done his entire career. >> but he's afraid of her. >> going back to central park five. you name it. it's what he does. >> that's how he won, divide and conquer. >> by the way, on that sad, tragic note, he accused the -- he said the five kids who were picked up in the central park five accused of rape should be executed for being accused, he's been accused of rape one block from central park. has anybody thought about that little irony? >> how much does an ad in "the new york times" cost these days? >> i remember the ad. >> i think i'll put one out. >> it's a horrible thing to even talk about. >> that's hoscrrible. >> what he was going to do to the kids never convicted.

>> 20-plus i think to this point. >> rape or sexual assault. >> i'm sure he gives himself really high grades for being donald trump. thank you, donna edwards. my friend howard, you're seeing through the veil of horror here on trump is pretty good. i didn't catch that. she was being mean to the white guy. >> it wouldn't be the first time i catch something you didn't. >> keep looking, though. does the presumed, by the way, leader of the free world, i'm talking about donald trump, know what liberal democracy means? does he know what the free world means? trump's bizarre answer when asked about it left many people wondering. this is something you learn in high school, what is liberal democracy. it's not worried about the voting patterns in berkeley, california. what is he talking about. plus, take your children to work day. ivanka trump, the diplomat, her awkward encounter with world leaders goes viral and why she was front and center in the g20 group project. he thinks he's brought a royal family to the world. and from pennsylvania, a nasty bout of partisan politics. catch this little bout.

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welcome back to "hardball." fresh off the g20 summit over in japan, donald trump became the first sitting u.s. president to set foot inside north korea. accompanied by north korean dictator kim jong-un, the president stepped over the dmz after proposing an impromptu visit in a tweet a couple of days prior. well, that photo-op was followed by a meeting in which kim agreed to restart the nuclear talks

that broke down last february. well, today the president tweeted about chairman kim saying "we had a great meeting. he looked really well and very healthy. our teams will be meeting to work on some solutions to very long-term and persistent problems. no rush. but i am sure we will ultimately get there." well, this comes as "the new york times" reports the administration is weighing whether to accept a deal that would limit north korea's nuclear arsenal, limit it. the concept would amount to a nuclear freeze, one that essentially enshrining the status quo and tacitly accepting the north as a nuclear power. something administration officials have often said they would never stand for. trump's national security adviser john bolton said a freeze had never been discussed by his team. separately in a revealing exchange peter baker of "the new york times," who is often with us here, asked the president whether he agrees with vladimir putin's statement that western-style liberalism is obsolete. >> do you agree with him that western-style liberalism as it's been defined over the post-war

period is now obsolete and no longer relevant to today's world? >> well, again, he may feel that way. he sees what's going on, and i guess if you look at what's happening in los angeles where it's so sad to look and what's happening in san francisco and a couple of other cities, which are run by an extraordinary group of liberal people, i don't know what they're thinking. >> i don't know what he was thinking. we were all told as we grew up there is something called western liberalism, the free world. it means having elections, rights for the citizens of that country. he was talking about voting patterns among the democratic liberal party in california. the problem is that putin's statement and baker's question were not referring to the west coast of the u.s. in some partisan way, but to the western countries of north america and europe. likewise, putin wasn't talking about liberal people. he was criticizing the historic tradition of classical liberalism that gave rise to democratic forms of government. i'm joined now by my panel.

gene, i was floored by that. >> mmm-hmm. >> and maybe went to wharton and studied statistics and accounting courses, but he didn't ever learn that liberalism, refers to democratic liberalism, the whole tradition going back to the enlightenment. >> no, he skipped poli sci 101 apparently. he slept through that. >> why did he think vladimir putin was talking about the voting patterns in berkeley? >> because trump. you know, what do we know about him? we know he doesn't read. we know he doesn't know history. and this is just maybe the most glaring example of that. but i'm not sure we should be that surprised anymore. it was a stunning thing for a president of the united states to say, to not get in that setting. but he didn't get it. totally didn't get it. >> jill, we often take pride, i still do, the idea of the leader of the free world.

still setting the standard for freedom, all our freedoms under the constitution and the bill of rights. that's who we are at our best, we're the standard. he doesn't seem to understand the leader of the free world means leader of freedom, of liberal governments. >> you know, he is a very unusual american president. as we saw him on the world stage there with fellow leaders of the g20, who is he standing next to in that big photograph? justin trudeau from canada is there. theresa may is there, angela merkel is there. who is the president hobnobbing with? it's vladimir putin. it's, you know, the crown prince of saudi arabia. refusing to answer questions about jamal khashoggi. those are the people that he feels the strongest ties to on that stage. >> yes? >> you know, i thought it was america first and we always sort of choose america's side. i guess it's really russia first. have we seen the situation where donald trump sides against vladimir putin? >> not yet. >> western liberalism -- >> he's on the same partisan side as vladimir putin. anyway, in touting his relationship with kim jong-un on the other hand, president trump said the obama administration had sought meetings with the

north korean leader but were rebuffed. >> president obama wanted to meet and chairman kim would not meet him. the obama administration was begging for a meeting. they were begging for meetings constantly. and chairman kim would not meet with him. >> well, several obama administration officials have since denied trump's claim right there, including former national security adviser susan rice who said "at the risk of stating the obvious, this is horse blank." let me ask you about this, john, first of all, i don't know -- my view is i'm a -- worst, ambiguous in my thinking and ambivalent. as churchill would say, jaw-jaw is better than war-war. it's always good to be talking to the other guy. >> we want to be careful here. there is nothing wrong in trying to engage in a diplomatic effort with north korea. we want to stop their nuclear weapons program. they're still building nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. >> they're building the capability to hit other

countries right now. >> including us. they haven't stopped that for a minute while donald trump's been president. i don't fault him for wanting to engage north korea. i fault him for giving away all u.s. prestige and getting nothing to show for it. >> when the last dictator of east germany, i found out later like we all found out later, his greatest dream was to be accepted the the white house. as much as they saw on their side of the world against our side, they looked up to our side. they knew west germany was better than east germany and america was better than russia. they were sure as hell about that. it's a chilling thing for a leader to go in that door. does kim want acceptance in the world by coming in the white house doors? >> he wants legitimacy. he wants to be seen as equal among the nuclear powers. he's not just going for south korea. he wants to see the other nuclear weapon states, china, russia, the united states. >> for what? so he can intimidate the south? or is he willing to walk through the door, jill, world trade

agreements. is he going to start trading in the world, joining the world? >> i think those are all important questions to ask. >> if he does then it's a break for us because he really wants something that is worthwhile for the world. >> the president doesn't seem to understand the very fact of meeting with him. he extended an invitation standing next to kim. why not have you come to the white house. >> giving away all the marbles. >> well, he's giving away that. it's, you know, this is the one area in which i actually think that trump foreign policy has been more realistic. >> yeah. >> in that it takes as an unstated given that north korea is a nuclear power now. >> yeah. >> it is. i don't want it to be. i hate the fact that it is. but they're not going to give up their nuclear weapons. maybe you can negotiate a freeze and some sort of cap on it. >> but we're not negotiating a freeze with north korea. the administration is negotiating amongst itself. >> absolutely. >> john bolton saying all up

front. donald trump digitering back and forth. >> i think we got to continue this conversation. this is a really good question whether we can get anything done from this guy. anyway, the president's daughter ivanka trump took on a very public role on the trip to the east. one g20 video has gone viral showing trump's daughter with british prime minister theresa may, emma control, justin trudeau and the director of the international monetary fund christi christine christine leguard. >> a lot of people start listening who wouldn't otherwise listen. >> and the same on the defense side in terms of the whole sort of -- it's been very male dominant. >> did you ever go to a party where everybody else knew each other and you feel out of it? "the washington post" described it as lagarde's impatient side-eye as ivanka trump

interjects in what appears to have been a back and forth between macron and may -- the presumptionness of that family i blame on him. he seems to tell his son, his two sons and his daughter that they are somehow part of this power -- >> well, they are. >> in the world. >> ivanka trump went on to the summit. she's in the group photo. it's astonishing. she has no qualification to do any of this. and accordingly -- >> but there she is. look. right out there. >> you see how she was treated by the other world leaders. as if what the hell is she doing here? >> what is this, anastasia? is this the lost rom roam >> she did try to duel her way into that conversation. >> god forbid you should actually be an expert. aoc went after her today on the democratic progressive left. saw it and said this is

ridiculous. >> what was interesting is she had actually been inviting to that little talking point thing that happened before a summit that she had been invited to, which shows you the extent the other leaders recognize the way the president wants his children to be treated and used as a tool. >> all fits together. a monarchist notion he has of the american presidency. it was an accusation. when he won in the electoral college, he owns it now. he can share it any way he wants, with his kids, like a monarch. >> the president does have the right to choose his advisers, he's just chosen advisers who aren't very good at their jobs. >> aren't you kind? we want a little tough. anyway, i think it's ridiculous and i've been calling it that since the day he started giving jobs to his kids. it's been a problem from the beginning. it will always be a problem. that's why nepotism is bad. thank you. i had to give you the one about western democracy. anyway, thank you. up next, the trump

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welcome back to "hardball." the trump administration has called reports of poor conditions for migrants at border facilities unsubstantiated. but now nbc news has exclusively obtained internal reports from the office of the inspector general for the department of homeland security warning about the consequence of those terrible conditions at an el paso border station. there it is. those documents from nearly a month ago raised concerns about overcrowding, pronged detentions, high incidents of illness and concerns that rising tensions could turn violent. in one report documented 155 adults being confined in a cell built for 35. additionally, detainees had limited access to showers and were wearing soiled clothing for weeks. last week the act the secretary of homeland security pushed back on reports made by several lawyers that customs and border protection facilities were

leaving children in similarly inhuman decisions in an overcrowded detention facility in clint, texas. let's look. >> unsubstantiated allegations last week regarding a sickle border patrol facility in clint, texas, created a sensation. contrary to the reporting, children in custody at the border are receiving access to key supplies, including toothbrushes, appropriate meals, blankets, showers as soon as they can be provided and medical screening. >> well, more than a dozen democratic members of the u.s. congress visited el paso and clint, texas to investigate the condition of some of those facilities. here are some of them. >> we came today and we saw that the system is still broken. that the people's human rights are still being abused. >> i will never forget the image of being in a cell and seeing 15 women, tears coming down their faces, as they talked about being separated from their children. >> we need a system that works,

that is humane and that is compassionate and that keeps families together. >> with more, i'm joined by the nbc correspondent who broke the story of the internal dhs reports. the reports from inside the inspector general of homeland security. so are they lying to the public what they know is the truth? they're covering it up? >> well, it it's a good question. what we good was through a foia request. >> freedom of information. >> yes, that's inside baseball. freedom of information. where they turned this over. but this was not something that was supposed to be made public. these are from initial visits where investigators went to different facilities run by border patrol in the el paso sector. one of those, of course, would be the clint facility that dediscussed last week and they found these terrible conditions. some of them were so bad, as you mentioned, they thought they might have hunger strikes or riots. they had four showers, chris, for nearly 800 immigrants. when you hear acting secretary

mcaleenan saying, look, these children are getting showers as soon as we can get them, how soon is that when you have four showers? >> these aren't just people coming for a better job and life, these are people coming from hellholes where there is no law and order. >> they're seeking asylum and they're central americans. they said the morale is dropping among border acts. why do we have to keep locking these people up when they're coming here legally and turning themselves in to claim asylum? why do we have to continue to lock them up? now, one shred of optimism in all of this is the border bill that passed last week that would give $4.5 billion for more detention space so this overcrowding doesn't occur, but i don't know -- >> are they going to put more -- they talk about cages for kids. are they going to build larger, more humane facilities with all these money. >> they're not supposed to be held in the cages or facilities we're describing. they're supposed to go to health and human services if they're a child or a single adult, they go

to i.c.e. >> what i was struck by was the reporting. think it's in your reporting that some of the border patrol people have actually dipped into their own pockets to pay for people's food. >> yeah, it wasn't clear whether or not they were getting reimbursed just based on the report, but it said that they were using credit cards that weren't supposed to be for that purpose and buying $10,000 of food a day. so i think what we have to ask at the end of all of this is, even if you expand the space, even if you get more money to increase detention into infinity, have you actually learned lessons of how to manage a population, how to get food, hygiene, basic things -- >> well, it's never going to stop as long as those parts of central america are not fit to live in and you have, you know, hel 11:00 on earth there. they're going to keep finding a letter life up there. that asylum situation ain't gonna change. >> it's been an issue since 2014 with the obama administration. some would say we have pull factors but there are certainly push factors as people try to

escape violence and poverty. >> thanks to you we know what's going on and not the government. julia ainsley, they were keeping a secret, their own inspector general report, about how bad things were. their pr operation is a total 180. a dramatic confrontation up in pennsylvania, up in harrisburg, as a republican lawmaker tries to shout down a democratic colleague. that democratic lawmaker, that state senator is coming here next. by the way, she looks really good in that picture. she makes her point. she's got the guts to keep talking. the republicans, whatever the parliamentary situation, look terrible. le

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order. >> for mr. john boyd. >> mr. john boyd, i'm here to express my gratitude and ask for the support and general assistance. i'm alive today because general assistance -- >> debate comes to an end, mr. president. you need to do your job, mr. president. >> well, there you saw democratic state senator katie muth trying to read a letter from a former homeless man who benefitted from the state program, calling it a second chance at life. who you didn't see but clearly heard was the republican senate majority leader jake corman. his yelling continued during her entire statement. >> mr. president -- >> was homeless, living in shelters -- >> mr. president, you need to follow the rules. point of order, mr. president. my point of order needs to be listened to. point of order, mr. president. point of order. >> i'm getting my health together and i'm working toward my ged. >> this is your job. do your job, mr. president. >> to end as early as august the 1st. if general assistance -- >> this is about the operation

of this senate, which we all voted unanimously to support these rules -- >> where will i get quarters to do my laundry if i don't have general assistance? >> you're ignoring the rules, mr. president. >> both parties, republican and democrat, accused the other of trying to hijack the process. eventually order was regained and the pennsylvania senator approved eliminating that program by a 25-24 vote, even with two republicans siding with the democrats. and the democratic governor of pennsylvania, tom wolf, signed the measure as part of the budget last week. as the philadelphia enquirer reports, into a bill that wolf was hard-pressed to veto and provides medicaid dollars to philadelphia hospitals. being shouted down on the senate floor will not be shouted down. she's coming up next. you're watching "hardball." you're watching "hardball. andpa. i got a leaf right away. a leaf is a hint that is connected to each person in your family tree. i learned that my ten times great grandmother is george washington's aunt.

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shouting her down continually. while senator muth was making the case against a measure that would end a state assistance program for some of the state's poorest people. even though the measure was approved, muth has said she will continue to fight to revive the program from its elimination. the freshman state senator tweeted "i won't go down to bullies, i won't back down to them or those who try and harm others. shame on those elected officials who tried to strip away these vital resources." the video caught the eye of at least one 2020 democratic candidate, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren, shared the video online writing "keep persisting, senator muth." i'm joined by pennsylvania state senator katie muth. why was the republican -- he sounded like he was being dismembered, he sounded like he was fighting for his life. what was the hysteria about? it was awful. why didn't he say point of order in he disagreed with the parliamentary situation? i didn't get it. your thoughts about that

experience. >> i think it's a very good point to bring up. he sounded like he was in tremendous distress for someone who makes over $120,000 a year was actually shouting at a story about a man who was homeless for 25 years, benefitting from a program that helped him stay on his feet, so it is the irony of the situation. it definitely turned into something that i didn't expect, but i was prepared to tell mr. boyd's story and it was important for me to get through the whole thing. so backing down was never really an option. you know, it's important to have everybody hear this story and why this program helps so many pennsylvanians, over 11,000 pennsylvanians, whether they're veterans, permanently disabled, temporarily disabled people coming out of the hospital, people with cancer, you know, people that have ptsd issues, domestic violence victims that don't have financial security. >> yeah. >> to leave. often that money is what allows them to leave. so it's a program that is truly impactful and as i said, it's

shameful that it was voted to be eliminated. >> it's $200 for people, for public assistance who can't work, is that what it basically is? >> yes, it is. and it's a temporary assistance program. many of the people end up going on permanent disability or temporary disability, so it's just to make ends meet. it can help pay utility bills, buy soap, deodorant, items that food stamps or something else wouldn't speed limit for. they use it for bus fare, medical co-pays. this is money if they're eventually put on disability, and mr. boyd has been waiting himself for two years to be put on disability, the federal government refunds the state for this money, so, again, it's one of these programs that really is the extra helping hand and often is the difference between a roof over your head or not. >> we've spent a lot of time -- you hear a lot about san francisco and places like that that have a big homeless situation. i haven't seen it as much as i hear people talk about it all the time. this is an effort to get people out of homelessness, right?

explain how this fella, mr. boyd, was able to get out of homelessness and is he still vulnerable to being out there on the street? >> so he had been homeless for 25 years, going in and out of shelters and soup kitchens, and because of this program he's able -- he's now in an apartment. you know, he's able to make ends meet. he's getting his ged. he does have ptsd and he discussed that as i read in the story and how to go -- how this helped him pay for therapy and psychiatric and doctor visits. so he is a great example of someone really if you've been homeless for that long, it's almost a statistical anomaly to be able to survive that long. so, you know, people do rely on this lift up to get them to the next phase, and so to have a meaningful life, and i think, you know, it's -- it's, again, it's something that eliminating it is -- it is august 1st, people are left out in the dust. we're trying to replace this with something very similar in

the interim of having it passed for a long term. myself and three other newly elected senators dropped a memo today for a bill to come out late this week for a emergency relief plan to help, hopefully, compensate. >> i'm always fascinated with political mission and why people go into public life and take all the risks that go with it. what was it that got you, as somebody from a suburban county, mainly chester county to get interested in something that so often affects the streets and in big cities. for psychiatric reasons or bad luck end up without a place to live. >> you know, that's a really good point in that, you know, general assistant recipients are in all 67 counties of our commonwealth. so there is no county that doesn't, you know, have people relying on this. while my senate district has parts of three different counties, chester, montgomery and burks, there are, you know, over 300-some people which i represent that are relying on this resource. so, yes, it is higher in more city-like areas, pittsburgh or

philadelphia, but, you know, these are still people that need to be heard and represented and mr. boyd is not my constituent, but after i met him on monday, he had come up to the capitol the day we had our committee hearing for this bill, and he spoke exactly what i read at the press conference we had on monday, and obviously not everyone attends that. and after hearing him and meeting him and seeing him stand in a building that has gold-plated chandeliers and marble floors and this, you know, he's telling the story of survival and how this really impacted him and, you know, for me it's -- there wasn't another option other than to tell -- make sure he had an opportunity to have his heard -- his story heard by more than just that press conference. and if people wanted to vote on this program to be eliminated, i -- it was imperative to have his voice heard before that vote. >> senator, keep at it. i love politicians like you that get out there and take a lot of heat and get their points across. the stupid republicans in this

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. the 9/11 first responder who appeared before the congress last month asking that it extend the 9/11 victims' compensation fund died this weekend. he was 53 years old. luis alvarez, a detective in the new york police department, was diagnosed with cancer linked to the three months he spent working at ground zero. he was the detective who sat next to longtime "the daily show" host jon stewart detailing the 68 rounds of chemotherapy he had gone through. >> it is my goal and it is my legacy to see that you do the right thing for all 9/11 responders.

we were there with one mission, and we left after completing that mission. i have been to many places in this world. excuse me. and done many things. but i can tell you that i did not want to be anywhere else but ground zero when i was there. we were part of showing the world that we would never back down from terrorism, and that we could all work together. no races, no colors, no politics. you all said you would never forget. well, i'm here to make sure that you don't. >> well, the house judiciary committee voted later to extend the fund.

the full house will vote on it later this month. last week senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said that the senate will work to pass the needed measure by august. for this, luis alvarez deserves our gratitude and, of course, our admiration. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> they should be given water. they should be given basic access to human rights. >> horrific conditions in detention camps amid new reporting on a secret border patrol group joking about migrant deaths. >> there are many within cbp who become desensitized to the point of being dangerous to the migrants in their care. >> my guests tonight, the reporter who broke that story and one of the members of congress who actually tore detention facilities today. then -- >> you hear the power of that voice, nobody's heard that voice before. he doesn't do news conferences, in case you haven't heard. >> the pr