to miss a single episode of the 11th hour. so that is our holiday weekend edition of the broadcast. thank you for being here with us and we'll see you again on monday night from nbc news headquaters in new york. >> as we gather this evening we remember that all share a truly extraordinary heritage. together we are part of one of the greatest stories ever told. the story of america. >> president trump celebrating july 4th with his controversial event at the lincoln memorial. protestors criticized the president for putting himself center stage on independence day. >> plus several 2020 candidates flocked to iowa to celebrate the 4th of july in the first of the nation caucus state. >> and congressman and trump

critic declares his independence announcing that he is leaving the republican party. >> what a day yesterday to say the least. welcome in. joan will be back on monday with morning joe but we'll take you through the next three hours this morning. with us here to help we have national security expert columnist at usa today and author of the book tom nicholls. and rick tyler. pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the washington post and msnbc political analyst and fantastic take on the speech yesterday from the president. and former director of strategic communications for hillary clinton's presidential campaign. she is also an msnbc

contributor. jeff bennett, i have to say, i predicted it my friend. >> you did. >> on wednesday that you were going to need a personal umbrella holder for your network coverage. the problem is i don't think you had one. >> part of the reason i'm in washington this morning is because i covered that speech at the lincoln memorial last night and all of us there to cover had to surrender our umbrellas so we all got a great drenching in service to the trapractice of journalism. >> rick tyler seems to think you should have had one of the hats on. >> the little hat. >> i'm not convinced that would be such a good look for me but i appreciate it. >> all right. a soggy 4th of july celebration in the nation's capitol. thousands of spectators turned out for the festivities which typically draws a large crowd but have not included a presidential address since 1951

when then harry truman parked the 175th independence day. tanks were before the lincoln memorial and a series of aircrafts each in tribute to a different branch of the armed forces flew over the crowd. behind rain streaked panels the president delivered a speech about national heros, walking through american history but returning again and again to its military might. >> this day, 243 years ago, our founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to declare independence and defend our god given rights. our nation is stronger today than it ever was before. it is its strongest now.

in june of 1775 they created an army out of the revolutionary forces and camps around boston and new york and named after the great george washington commander in chief. the continental army suffered a bitter winter of valley forge, found glory across the waters of the delaware and seized victory from corn wallace. it ran the ramparts. it took over the airports. it did everything it had to do and at fort mchenry under the rocket's red glare it had nothing but victory. >> so the white house has not yet released an official -- >> hold on. >> are we going to talk about this or no. >> we're going to talk about this. >> i get it. >> no. rick tyler was wanting to

comment especially on the president's remarks. especially one referring to taking over the airports. >> i'm looking back at aviation history in 199 -- 1776 and there were no airports. >> being overtaken. >> the transcript actually said air force and one if by land, two if by sea. >> three if by zeplin. >> so that was interesting. i don't know what happened there. i don't know what that word was supposed to be. i don't know if he left the script for two seconds and that's what happened. >> i'm amazed that everybody is declaring it a victory that that was the only mistake he made, right? >> i mean, it was a hard speech to give. even for a better speaker. the president is a good speaker when he is just rolling. >> off script. >> the trump show. >> when he's doing his show but

this was not a well written speech and even a better speaker would have had a hard time delivering it. it's a big extended version of we didn't start the fire by billy joel. it was lewis and clarkened harry truman, it went on and on and on. it was just like reading a -- >> he doesn't know how to read a speech. >> he doesn't. >> and when he reads it, it's almost as if, wow, like we heard it for the first time. there's a disconnection to the words. he's reading and he's like oh, did you hear what i just said? i didn't know that. it's a disconnection from the speech so as someone that's written speeches for people it's cringe worthy when you listen to someone delivering your words and trying to make it theirs but the person that does it has to work with the text, they have to

practice and make it their own and he doesn't do it. he doesn't take the time. >> they have to practice because sight reading for a politician that's a skill. a lot of people can do that. >> some people can do it first time off the cuff and it's amazing, but you can get better if you would just practice. >> but he does a lot of off prompter speeches. he's not used to delivering speeches like this despite the fact that he was in major planning mode for something like this. >> he created the stream of consciousness, hold a crowd like that, let me keep going on with that theme. and he just rolls with it. >> rick's right it's very jarring when he stops the comment on his own speech or seemed stunned by it for a moment or he stops and he's almost thinking about it like it's the first time. a lot of times he'll say something in the speech and he'll stop and say so true. because it's almost like the first time he's heard it.

>> you're like watching him get a college education live on the air while he's president of the united states. >> you were pretty active on twitter yesterday to say the least. you were actually calling the speech soviet-like yesterday and it's interesting because i was actually on the air with colonel jackson wednesday night i believe and he basically said we are a non-tank country. we don't have to display our arms and we don't have to display our military because we know the power of our military. countries like russia and north korea that's what they have to do. you on twitter called it soviet-like yesterday. >> i spent a good part of my life studying the soviet union and going there and watching their rituals and their manners and it was a flat, uninteresting speech except the moment that made me cringe. he turns to the secretary of defense and chairman of the joint chiefs and he said okay now step up here with me which is the personification of the military might of the united states in one military officer and one civilian and i thought

it was really inappropriate. i thought it was just wrong and looked top of the reviewing stand wrong for me. >> it was also sold very strangely. it was sold as a massive parade but then it turned into him introducing aircraft fly over which for the president of the united states seemed out of place where he's giving you the very brief history of this helicopter and then stepping back. >> it's like he was announcing an air show. it certainly wasn't the big bastille day thing that had entranced him enough to do this. >> right. or what we have seen from the likes of kim jong un in north korea. >> this is what all started. he said this is really great. we should do something like this and he's a production actor. he put on a show. look, if you like trump, it was a great show. i don't have any particular problem with the military. we love our military, but as tom says it's just that he cast himself, he puts himself next to it and has this sort of effect.

the other thing i thought was a huge draw back for the 4th of july yesterday, while they were all celebrating the show and the military might we had men, women and children at the border who are in cages in the most inhumane horrific conditions and by a government by the way that's not worthy of a free people. >> i want to take it to jeff who was actually covering this on the ground for us for the network as well. take us through it. you were on the ground. you watched it up close and person. >> well, to go back to what you guys were saying there's always been this disconnect between twitter trump and teleprompter trump. teleprompter trump all the time says these things that twitter trump would never say and probably doesn't believe. we heard him invoking mlk talking about the push for civility and civil rights in a way that donald trump himself has never said and when you talk about what was the purpose of

this event, the white house and the trump campaign have said that the president will not repurpose this for any sort of political purpose but he could if he wants to because crawling all over the lincoln memorial yesterday were photographers and videographers for his campaign. so it was a very slickly produced event. so even though it wasn't intentionally political, certainly it was inherently political. just look at the timing. we're in the beginning of the 2020 race but look at this piece for the washington post. it's titled trump tried to make independence day all about him. he ended up looking small. standing beneath the majestic statue of abraham lincoln trump looked and sounded quite small. it was clear from the beginning that independence day meant nothing more to trump than an opportunity to choir graph a made for television re-election event and give himself an

extremely expensive ego massage. this is the most collective of our holidays in that it celebrates our common heritage and enterprise but it is also the most individual. it commemorates not a battle but a document and each of us gets to decide what the declare ration of independence means, what the flag represents, what the fireworks symbolize. your view of what the fourth of july means is every bit as valid as the presidents. mine is too. pick it up from there if you will. that was really powerful writing. >> i hope everybody had a happy fourth and enjoyed the day. it's a very special day here in washington. the experience of going down to the mall, you know, it's too hot. it often rains. sometimes the clouds are so low you don't really see the fireworks and it's wonderful. it's great. it's the people's holiday and

you might be on the mall next to a bearded vietnam vet or a recent immigrant family and it's the nation and all of it's diversity and we each get to decide what the document we're celebrating means and what it means to us and i just think it's the most democratic holiday we have so of course president trump puts himself at the center of it and made himself the focal point of it. i did think he looked small. almost anyone looks small beneath the statue of lincoln and i know that trump supporters will consider this nitpicking but his reference to fort

mchenry was very weird. right after the airport he talked about fort mchenry inspired the star spangled banner during the war of 1812. >> people are giving the president some credit for staying on prompter. >> but we did see the crowd at times go usa and usa and how can they frame this or use this going forward? >> america is divided on this. it's a place for people to come together and sell bralt independence day in their own way. if you're not a maga supporter you probably agree with what i

just said which is its an inappropriate use of the president's time and not the right place for him to be. if you're a 2020 candidate we move on from this and we realize this is not the spectacle that a lot of americans wanted to see. a lot of americans didn't want to see this turn into a political event. it wasn't in the sense that president trump didn't go off script or start attacking his opponents from the podium it's still inappropriate for him to be there. you focus on the fact that this is not a place for him to be and simply move on. >> along with his speech yesterday, also making the rounds on the 4th of july holiday we'll get to that in just a moment but first we had a 6.4 magnitude earthquake hitting southern california yesterday. the strongest tremor to shake the region in two decades. the quake struck near the city of ridge crest which is located about 160 miles northeast of los

angeles. there were likely hundreds of separate earthquakes. and after shocks could continue for days. there's a small chance another earthquake that could be stronger than 6.4. on social media, people could feel the shaking at least as far away as las vegas and videos posted online show stores with items knocked off their shelves. good morning to you. what is the scene like yesterday following the earthquake. >> that's right. i heard you mention hundreds of after shocks. we felt a lot of them. some stronger than others. certainly interrupting sleep and then there's tons the usgs says that we just don't feel. we're outside of a hospital actually. you can see it behind me.

a few patients were moved to a nearby hospital out of an abundance of caution but overall a massive sigh of relief. a few cracks in the earth but overall this city that was the epicenter got off scott free. we spoke with a guy that came home and this is what he saw. take a listen to what he said. that car dancing around like it was literally doing a jig.

so yeah. i have experienced a number of them but that was unbelievable. >> he's a third generation californian and he has been living in that house. he got home and never felt anything like it. he walked into it. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. for more we want to bring in bill. give us the latest on this. >> good morning. i think a lot of people are surprised that the damage wasn't worse. >> you hear the strongest quake in 20 years. there's the location of where it occurred. here's los angeles and loss vegas. you can see the circle here. so you can see how far away it was from the population center. the one thing they put out is a

shake map. it's how violent it was that's where you can get significant damage. notice how small that was and the ridgecrest area was included in that. the area from los angeles here, these people felt it even the moderate didn't encompass any other cities. always look at the depth of the earthquake. this was at 6.6 miles deep. the nor energy released toward the surface the more damage that could happen. we call it anything from three mile toward the surface. this was in the moderate range. some of the energy did make it all the way to the surface. you could see it was actually cracked and that was about the worst of it. and as far as the after shocks go, we had 16 after shocks go greater than 4.0.

this time we had it about 30 minutes before the big one. we had a 4.0 and did feel that too. they have a new system where people on their phones can get alerts if they think earthquakes are coming. people didn't get there that. they didn't consider it would be violent enough and didn't want to alert and alarm people. >> i think everyone is happy more damage doesn't one. >> coming up as we head toward the 2020 election, are democrats at risk of learning the wrong lesson from 2016? we'll try to answer that question ahead. we're going to try. when asked to draw a picture of their time in customs and border protection custody. migrant children are sharing disturbing images of themselves in cages. what pediatricians are warning about the on going immigration crisis. we're back in a moment. immigran crisis we're back in a moment little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently.

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i was really impressed. he was not even close to being top five and he did a really good job. >> i think bernie did pretty good. harris did well too. she seemed to stand out and gilebrand did good. >> warren did amazing. >> she supports the death penalty which i don't love. >> i thought going into it i thought biden would do better

than he did. i think he seemed a little unsure of himself and seemed a little confused of himself. >> biden at first i really had hopes for him but the longer it's going on, i don't know. i don't feel as strongly about him as i did in the past. >> the signature moment was kamala harris. i didn't like what she said at all about joe biden. it offended me greatly. >> kamala basically called joe biden a racist and that was just like -- i loved it. >> joe biden isn't a racist. he doesn't have a racist bone in his body and i think she did it for political gain but i like kamala harris. >> i just want a democrat in office. >> i don't want to see any democrat attacking a democrat. the number one goal is to beat trump. >> and those were the voices of iowa voters sharing their reactions to the first round of democratic debates last week. joining us now is house editor for the cook political report.

i wanted to talk to you ever since you posted this twitter thread this past week and you said that democrats are at risk of learning the worst possible lesson from 2016 you write the prospect of being the first female president in a general election is an asset. the worst liability is the image of being a political insider. unpack that for us. >> in 2016 hillary clinton won 2.9 million more votes than donald trump but failed to win the electoral college. i think one of the reasons was the historic nature of her candidacy and democrats looking at this field of 2020 contenders ought to realize that the prospect of becoming the first female president is a general election asset. what cost her the electoral college in my view was her image as a political insider and a democrat, a member of the political elite. and democrats have to be very careful not to nominate someone

that's that elite image. i look at this field as being very long on quantity and a little bit shorter on quality than democrats would like at this point. >> you worked for hillary clinton's campaign and without relitigating all of 2016, what do you make of that take? what do you think should be the instructive takeaway and lesson for democrats heading into this next election cycle? >> yeah. well first of all, i'm not going to second guess anything that he says. >> true. >> because i read his writings a lot and always has great analysis, but look, he's right to an extent. i would almost say it's less about being an elite democrat. it's more about being seen as the establishment democrat and that's one of the reasons why bernie sanders numbers are dipping this time around because bernie for example in 2016 even though he served in congress and the senate for a long time, he in contract to secretary clinton

for whatever reason became the anti-washington voice. the person he was going against the grain. sort of the rebel candidate and this time people are seeing him as more establishment so i think it's a little bit more about being the establishment candidate versus the non-establishment candidate. you're seeing the senators that served in washington for awhile that are still because they haven't run for president before or have been a little bit more behind the scenes are not being seen in the same way in terms of being this establishment figure as they would be if they had run for president before. >> a lot of his commentary was based on this new york times article on wednesday that had democrats asking the questions whether or not a woman could actually be president. whether or not a woman could actually beat donald trump, right? and it's that guy that we just

saw that we were all commenting on watching the sound bites who so many democrats are afraid of. the guy wearing the white shirt that said i didn't like what kamala harris said to joe biden. he did go on to say i like kamala harris but my first goal and the only goal is to beat donald trump and that's what a lot of these democrats are afraid of. are voters like him. >> the democrats should be afraid that they'll pick a candidate that can't beat donald trump. that's what the rank and file is worried about. so let's just break down the kamala harris joe biden debate. she did real damage to him across the entire spectrum and she raised her profile.

he had a terrible reaction. >> he wasn't prepared. >> no and about running against a woman, a lot of the men on stage i believe are having trouble on how to -- i don't want to say attack -- but how to counter a woman and biden had trouble with that. he needs to go out and explain the busing issue, right? because i was very young at the time. i remember the busing issue. the busing issue was the result of a colossal political failure which was to provide quality education to minorities, right? and the last resort was a judge said we're going to take little children and we're going to put them on buses and we're going to send them two hours in the other direction. not to their local school but to another school. that was the solution. everybody hated it. including african americans. it had about 9% support. was it necessary? yes. but no one is explaining that. and joe's other problem is

that -- >> especially after the comments he made obviously. >> he is so attached to the past and he has not really run a vigorous campaign meaning when was the last time he was seriously challenged? >> he has his advisers saying this is about looking ahead. you have to push forward. >> it doesn't seem like he's doing it. >> he's not. >> let's first take a listen to what kamala harris said in regards to busing. >> just to clarify, you don't support federally mandated busing? >> i believe that any tool that is in the tool box should be considered by a school district. >> issues of segregation in our schools in america today. so for local school districts, for municipalities i'm in favor

of whatever they need to do to work on the integration based on race but thankfully we don't see what we saw then. so i, you know, i think that it's very important for us to be very clear about history and the vice president has yet to agree that when i was bussed to school was wrong. >> the headline is a lot of people are saying she is flip flopping from what she said on the debate stage up against joe biden but what she is really saying is we needed a federally mandated busing back then when segregation in schools is a real problem but now not necessarily. so what do you make of this back and forth? i wonder to which people are p

paying close attention to the argument of policy 40 or 50 years ago. because that's what we're arguing about. it's perfectly reasonable and true to say that one's position in that moment does not have to be one's position right now. the country is different and people's attitudes are different. so i hope we don't argue about bussing the entire campaign. i think that would be bad for the democratic candidate to say the least. but i had a question that i wanted to put to dave which is i'm interested in your quality-quantity analysis of the field and -- but the field is the field and so who do you see among the candidates that fits that criteria of not being an elite or maybe being a woman. are we talking about amy

klobachar? who do you see that could fit your mold of a candidate that could win? >> to be honest i'm talking about her. she has a proven track record of running far ahead of hillary clinton in minnesota where as elizabeth warren ran behind her margin in massachusetts. look this field is massive but to be up front with you, it's a fairly weak field at the moment. the three top candidates in this race, joe biden, kamala harris and elizabeth warren in the polls each have major liabilities entering a potential general election against trump. being politicians and having a long track record to pick apart. look i covered house races for a living in the 2018 cycle. it was a woman without much of a political track record but that had national security experience. that appealed with voters and struck a cord and that kind of

profile is not present in this race. >> a question about president trump because he is underwater in many of the states that he won in 2016 and would need to win again in 2020 and yet he has raised hundreds of millions of dollars the last quarter. his campaign chairman told me he wants to be able to flip nevada, new hampshire, new mexico. i'm not sure if he's serious about that or if that's just what he wants to get out. is that something that you think president trump can do based on your study of the different districts? >> he is delusional if he thinks that he can win oregon or new mexico but his route to winning re-election could involve losing the popular vote by 5 million and still winning the electoral college and the problem for democrats is really two states. the two most populous states in the country. democrats could add a million votes to their margin in california and cut into trump's margin in texas by 800,000 and still not be rewarded with a single electoral college vote.

democrats could flip pennsylvania and michigan back to their column but as long as trump holds on to wisconsin, arizona, north carolina and florida, which he very well could, then he would win the electoral college by a single vote and so democrats have to be very, very careful about nominating a candidate that might fall flat in states like wisconsin or pennsylvania or michigan. and at the moment i see a very plausible route for that scenario happening. >> one of the reasons why democrats are having their convention in milwaukee i would imagine. thanks. i appreciate it. >> thanks a lot jeff. >> first she beat venus williams and now 15-year-old coco extended her remarkable run to wimbledon. we'll go live ahead of the next match. plus it's a july 4th tradition. joey chestnut is the 12th annual nathan's hot dog eating contest winner. the video you may not have seen

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>> joey chestnut retained the title of nathan's hot dog eating champion. he consumed 71 hot dogs and buns in 10 minutes. >> he's either eating or vomiting. i'm not sure. >> that showing was actually short of his previous world record of 74 dogs set last year and for those of you keeping track at home, sports betting professional points out 71 hot dogs comes to 20,590 calories and more than 1,100 grams of fat. >> you have to read this part. >> how many tums were needed. >> what if we did this instead of the presidential primaries. what if we just put them all on stage, a big bowl of hot dogs. >> who would win is the question? rick tyler, what do you think? >> that's like putting a beach ball in -- i cannot swing at that. >> get ready twitter. no. >> no. >> don't want to go there. >> don't want to go there. >> would it produce a better

candidate? >> my question is what is the strategy here? how many times do you have to -- how many hot dogs do you actually consume until then you have to drink the glass of water? there's a whole strategy. >> some people eat them together. some people have a cardiologist standing there with a machine. bill karins, who wins in the primary hot dog eating contest? >> whatever network is broadcasting the ratings. that's who is going to win. >> nobody took the bait this morning. by the way, that calorie point to put it in better perspective, that would be 41 big macs. that's the he kwif lenequivalen >> how do you think he's feeling this morning? >> full. >> you can't go for a run after you ate that many hot dogs. >> i wouldn't think so. >> take it away. >> all right. so here we go. the alaska all time heat record was set yesterday in anchorage.

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government lawyers scrapped their holiday plans to find new legal rational to add a question to the census. backtracking on their conclusion that no such path exists. prompted by a tweet from the president that called earlier reports that the question had been dropped fake. they scrambled to update on going cases. a senior white house official and trump adviser telling the washington post the reversal came at the urging of conservative allies that told trump that the justice and commerce departments had given up too easy. the president was reportedly furious. openly considering issuing an executive order to force the question. the doj now has until this afternoon to submit how they plan to proceed. however administration officials tell the washington post that the printing process will continue. joining us now we have legal analyst, msnbc legal analyst.

put this in perspective for us. at the end of the day the supreme court won't even see this even if it goes to the supreme court and they're able to come up with another reason until september at the earliest and this thing needs to be up by october. >> that's why both signs arguably won the supreme court case. on the one hand, supreme court justice roberts went out of their way to say the government has the constitutional power to include a citizenship question on the census but essentially they said just not this government and not this way and do you know what else, you didn't give us a good reason for why. so we're sending it back. effectively saying that while this may be a question that can be included and arguably it's been included in some form or another for the last century, you, this particular trump administration, you will not be allowed to use it because time is running out. just like you said. the census arguably begins in alaska i'm told in january of

2020. they have to get this stuff to the printer right away. this is not a job you can run off overnight. it has to be done. preparations are already being made for the next census.here. one is the issue said, listen, you can do this, but you really have to have a better reason than what you threw at us here. >> yes, exactly. >> and the court was basically saying, this sure looks like what your opponents are saying it looks like. the other thing i wondered, though, reading the transcripts of those lawyers that were trying to talk to the court. how uncomfortable is that for a government lawyer to have to get on the phone and say, i know it looks like we lied to you, i know that looks like we don't know what's going on, how does that affect their relationship with the court down the line? >> i can't tell you how rare it is that the courts look at the underlying motive behind legislation or behind decision of an administrative agency. that's how rare this is. and the fact that the motive alone is what sent this case back to the agency. on the second question, as a

lawyer myself, we have all been burned by a client. we have all been standing before a judge and explaining to his or her honor why a client did something with that anemic sort of -- >> but this client is the president of the united states. >> yes. but with that anemic sort of, well, in theory, your honor, maybe my client -- and the reality is that none of this came down the chain of command. these poor lawyers are flying blind. and i oppose the doj as a defense attorney. i have nothing but sympathy for the lawyer whose client, the president, has burned him and now they have to explain to a judge. it happens a lot and look at the consequences. the judge orders them to work over the holiday, get everything done. we have all been there. i have nothing but sympathy for the doj lawyers that are stuck in that position. >> danny, this is gene robinson. >> hey, gene. >> what about this idea of some sort of executive order by the president, putting it on the, on the census anyhow, putting the question on. does that then get reviewed by the supreme court?

what happens then? >> i think in this case, just thinking ahead theoretically, because the supreme court has already rendered an opinion on whether or not it can be on the census, i don't think this workaround would work. i could see trump issuing an executive order. it would immediately go to the courts. and it would probably strike it down on the same basis. because it exists outside the traditional legal framework for including a citizenship question on the census. and for that reason, the courts may conclude that this is an area that exceeds the president's authority. at the same time, they could also conclude that it presents what's called a political question. that it resides within the president's executive order power and it may be something that the courts don't even have the power to hear. that's always a risk, always a risk when you're dealing with presidential assertion of power. >> can i just quickly ask you, danny, though. even if this question, let's say they were to succeed and the question were to be added, that doesn't necessarily mean in ten years that question would be on

the census once again. >> it could be, in ten years. in fact, if we have a president in ten years, which we know will not be trump, that wants to add that citizenship question, then it will be added. are you not so sure? you're wondering? oh, no. >> it will be in russian, but -- >> oh, no. so if there is -- whatever president wants to add it, the message from the supreme court is this. if you come up with a good reason, it's going to be on the census. >> dan cevallos, thank you. eugene robinson, thank you, as well. we'll be reading your latest cl column on the president's fourth of july address in "the washington post." and still ahead this morning, ahead of hurricane season, congress has allocated billions of dollars to helping puerto rico to recover from hurricane marie, but very little of that money has actually been dispersed. how tidal he island is preparin another possible storm this year without much help from the federal government. stick around. t much help from te federal government stick around just when you thought you were done painting...

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president trump's independence day plans put the nation's divisions on center stage. he paid tribute to armed forces amid criticism that he was politicizing the celebrations. plus, joe biden and senator kamala harris spent the july 4th holiday sparring over the former vice president's views on busing. we'll go live to iowa for the

latest. and she's quickly becoming the star at this year's wimbledon championships. 15-year-old cori gauff will be the headline at center court. i'm yasmin vassoughian alongside caal perry and jeff bennett. joe and mika will be back on monday with "morning joe." still with us this morning, we have national security expert and columnist at "usa today," tom nichols, republican communications strategist, rick tyler, and joining the conversation is chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker. and white house correspondent for pbs news hour, ya mitmiche alcindor. starting with president trump traveling to his golf club in new jersey today after a soggy fourth of july celebration in the nation's capital. thousands of spectators turned out on the national mall for the festivities, which typically draws a pretty large crowd, but have not included a presidential

address since 1951, when then harry truman marked the nation's 175 independence day on t. on the president's orders, tanks were displayed before the lincoln memorial and a series of aircraft, each in tribute to a different branch of the armed forces flew over the crowd. behind rain-streaked panels, the president delivered a speech about national heros walking through american history, but returning again and again and again to its military might. >> our nation's creativity and genius lit up tlihe lights of broadway and the sound stages of hollywood. it filled the concert halls and air waves around the world with the sound of jazz, operopera, country, rock 'n' roll and rhythm and blues. it gave birth to the musical, the motion picture, the western , the world series, the super bowl, the skyscraper, the

ascension bridge, the assembly line and the mighty american automobile. our nation is stronger today than it ever was before. it is its strongest now. >> and while the president was busy celebrating america's military might on the fourth of july, vice president mike pence touted america's legal immigration system while speaking at a naturalization ceremony here in washington, d.c. take a look. >> last year, more than three quarters of a million people raised their right hand and swore the very same oath that you just took. and your example and theirs gives evidence that then, as now and throughout our nation's history, america has the most generous system of legal immigration in the history of the world. >> but just this week, the american academy of pediatrics provided nbc news with these

drawings that the organization said were made by children recently released from customs and border protection facilities, depicting themselves in cages. nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez filed this report. >> reporter: these drawings paint a heartbreaking picture. the american academy of pediatrics says they come from 10 and 11-year-old kids after they were released from the custody of customs and border protection. what do these pictures tell you? >> it's horrible. i can guarantee you that within the next few years, the psychological effect that it will take on these children is -- you can't even explain. >> reporter: dr. carlos gutierrez is a pediatrician who has volunteered to treat minors after they're released from cbp custody, but he's frustrated by the lack of access to border patrol facilities. you don't believe that children should be in detention centers at all? >> absolutely not. >> meanwhile, on wednesday, a federal appeals court upheld a block on president trump's attempt to tap $2.5 billion from

the defense department in order to build a wall along the southern border. the white house responded in a statement yesterday, writing, quote, we have a national security and humanitarian crisis at our southern border, and every court ruling based on politics, not faithful application of the laws already in place deepens the crisis, further emboldens child smugglers and drug cartels and endangers the lives of the american people. and peter baker, i want to turn to you, because president trump yesterday in one of his twitter threads, instead of, you know, echoing the message that's inscribed on the base of the statue of liberty, you know, bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. his message was, these undocumented immigrants who are in these border patrol facilities have it better now than they had it in the countries that they came from. and they also said, if they don't like it, they should go back. so what do you make of that? >> it's an internally contradicted message. he says they're being treated well, but being treated so badly

that they shouldn't want to come anymore. there's no question that this administration has decided that one of its policies, one of its approaches to immigration is a deterrent effect to make the arrival in america as an undocumented immigrant so arduous and unpleasant that there's no longer an incentive, as they would put it to making the trek in the first place. but, you know, as you've just pointed out, of course, with that package, that report, it's created, you know, scenes of hardship and pretty miserable conditions that have attracted a lot of attention from not just people here in washington and from around the world. >> cal, you've been inside these detention centers, you've been covering this and doing an incredible job at it for quite some time now. if we didn't think there was going to be psychological ramifications from time spent inside these detention centers, especially with regards to children and being separated from their mothers and fathers after going on arduous journey, to say the least. they were on the road, who knows, for how long, to get to

that border and being placed in a detention facility and having your parents ripped away from you at 2, 3, 4, 5 years old, if you didn't think there was going to be psychological ramifications from that, then you see those drawings and those pictures. >> and there's no way that you could put these kids into these facilities and not know that it's going to have that kind of effect. a lot of this is president trump's deterrence. he wants these messages out there. listen, justin amash, republican congressman switching parties writes this up and there's politics involved in this. but here's how he starts his op-ed. when my dad was 16, america welcomed him as a palestinian refugee. it wasn't easy moving to a new country, but it was the greatest blessing of his life. in this opportunity, everyone has an opportunity to succeed. soed on border, you have what's happening to these children. but then you have this president who has changed asylum in this country. he has almost removed the asylum process, america, the place where you can come and seek

refugee. doesn't seem to be the case anymore. >> and i think he's shifted the debate in an unhealthy way. i would have described myself even three or four years ago as an immigration hawk. that i -- you know, borders matter. and i think the democrats made a mistake when they talk about decriminalizes illegal entry into the united states. but i think even the most hard line, you know, position on controlling the border doesn't mean putting children in cages as a lesson to the others about why not to come here. a decent, humane country doesn't do this. you know, we are capable of coming up with better solutions to this. and as i think some of the president's critics have always pointed out, the cruelty is the point. and that's not the kind of country, it's certainly not the kind of country -- >> we have the resources to do the parade that -- >> exactly! and yamiche, rick tyler brought this up in the last hour, but i want to throw this to you, when you have the type of celebration that we saw yesterday from the president, touting the united states and all that it is, which

it is, but then also not acknowledging what is going on at the border, what is going on in these detention centers, especially when we are a country that is based on the backs -- that is built on the backs of immigrants, that is based on immigration. it is the soul of who we are. we are all ultimately immigrants at the end of the day. and you're seeing these pictures, juxtapose that to the pictures now that are emerging from these detention centers. >> well, i think what's remarkable is the president is saying that essentially these people deserve what they're getting and that they're getting what they need to get. the president said border patrol isn't nurses or hospitals or doctors. but he didn't say that there is funding and there is the ability to give medical care to these children and to these adults, frankly, in these detention centers. we obviously have had children die in these facilities. and the president is essentially saying, hey, that's not our problem. i think that's an incredible kind of stance to take, but this is also what the president does. he doubles down on his policies, on his hardline immigration

stances in the face of all sorts of backlash. i will say that talking to supporters of the president, people have stuck with him through all sorts of controversies. when it comes to children and the mistreatment of children, this is a really soft spot for his base and the core people that show up to his rallies. i have talked to supporters who say, look, we're all behind the president, kind of making sure that we have strong borders. but we can't be putting kids in cages. we can't be mistreating these children. i also should say, i've been talking to immigration lawyer who is point out to me that under the obama administration, there were children in these detention facilities, but they were being held for two to three days and then they would get to better facilities and tell lawyers and doctors, hey, those were a really terrible two to three days, but i'm happy that i'm out of those. now we're seeing children staying in these facilities for weeks and even months. and that's why there's really a crisis at hand. and most people both on the right and on the left understand that. because when you have children without toothbrushes not just for a couple of days, but for weeks, and not having access to

soap and that is -- that is not what america has ever told immigrants and the world that we are. so i think what we see here is the president trying to figure out how to deal with this strategy. and yesterday, being optimal, he wasn't talking about it at all. he was trying to not give a political speech, but the politics are always going to be there and the president has taken a stance. >> such a great point. i want to go back to something that cal mentioned. and that's congressman justin amash's new piece in "the washington post," entitled, our politics isn't a partisan death spiral, that's why i'm leaving the gop. he writes in part this, my parents, both immigrants, were republicans. i supported republican candidates throughout my early adult life and then successfully ran for office as a republican. in recent years, though, i have become disenchanted with party politics and frightened by what i see from it. the two-party system has evolved into an existential threat to american principles and institutions. true to washington's fears, americans have allowed government officials under assertions of expediency and party unity to ignore the most

basic tenants of our constitutional order, separation of powers, federalism, and the rule of law. the result has been the consolidation of political power and the near disintegration of representative democracy. today, i am declaring my independence and leaving the republican party. no matter your circumstance, i'm asking you to join me in rejecting the partisan loyalties and rhetoric that divide and dehumanize us. i'm asking you to believe that we can do better than this two-party system and to work toward it. if we continue to take america for granted, we will lose it. >> i was hoping to set an example for people. i have been involved in party politics for a while and i believe very strongly that it's hurting our country at this point and i think people need to stand up for what's right, stand up for what they believe in and be independent of these party loyalties that really divide us. >> reporter: president trump hit back on twitter, of course,

writing, great news for the republican party, as one of the dumbest and most disloyal men in congress is quitting the party. no collusion, no obstruction. knew he couldn't get the nomination to run again in the great state of michigan, already being challenged for his seat. a total loser. and of course, there are people close to the congressman who have been saying for weeks now that this could all be a precursor to him running on a libertarian or third party ticket for president. but tom nichols, i want to go to you, because you also left the republican party recently. what do you make of this? >> well, it's one of the least surprising people to leave the republican party. i mean, you know, if you had to pick somebody, if you were going to handicap this, amash would have been the even money to go. because he's been so vufrustrat, because he's very much a process guy. and that infuriated his colleagues on occasion. he's very much by the book and it's understandable. i hope that the rumor is wrong about a third party run, because i think that actually will

take -- that would actually be to trump's benefit. i think that's the one thing about all of this that i'm concerned about, but, you know, i read this as someone, i quit the party after about a year of this presidency and i, you know, i read this and i thought, i totally -- i feel you, congressman. i know where you're coming from. >> but peter baker, justin amash is from one of the most conservative arms of the republican party. many people were surprised about his decision to leave the republican party, despite the fact that he was obviously someone who was calling for the president's impeachment just a couple of weeks ago. especially someone who's calling for the president's impeachment and does have something to lose, because we have had a lot of republicans in washington calling out the president, but not necessarily having something to lose, because they were no longer up for re-election or they were going to resign or something like that. but here you have justin amash, something to lose there, resigning from the republican party and calling for the president's impeachment just a couple of weeks ago. >> yeah, what's really interesting, if you read his

piece, of course, one word you don't see is actually the name "trump." he's making what he thinks, anyway, is a principled stand against the party system that overall in his view has disappointed america. and he's not, at least, overtly, making an attack on trump. but the president sees it that way, of course. he sees it the attack of someone who's already come out for his impeachment and pushes back, as you already cited on twitter. you know, it's interesting. i think congressman amash is not a democrat, he's a conservative, he's a libertarian brand of conservative, which i think has been very frustrating to a lot of people in the republican party. and there's this really interesting question about the future of the party at this point. if people who believe in some principles that have been traditionally republican over the years leave en masse, what is left in a republican party? and it becomes increasingly the trump republican party. and where does that leave people like justin amash who don't see themselves as a democrat, certainly not liberal, where do they go in this modern era?

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the 2020 democratic presidential primary field was out in full force yesterday. candidates spent their july 4th campaigning in early voting states, including iowa and new

hampshire. joe biden, kamala harris, bernie sanders, pete buttigieg, and beto o'rourke kriscrossed iowa, whose first in the nation caucuses are now just months away. joining us now is garrett haake who's been following mayor pete's campaign in that state the last couple of days. give us an update here, garrett, on yesterday's activities. >> reporter: yasmin, candidates love fourth of july campaigning. it really couldn't be much easier. the voters come to you, they're in a good mood, you've got parades, barbecues, house parties, it's really some of the best kind of campaigning, particularly in these early states. where folks expect to see their candidates expect to get a chance to talk to them. i watched last night joe biden and beto o'rourke sit in the stands of an iowa cubs baseball game and talk to them in the seats around them for six tosen innings worth for a chance to get to know some of the early states voters. that said, sometimes you still

get the weird moments that define the campaign trail. for mayor pete buttigieg, he got asked what i can only describe as a ridiculously racist question. we debated whether to give this much oxygen, but i think his answer is pretty useful. take a listen. >> i have a solution for you and i would like you to make a comment on my proposal. just tell the black people of south bend to stop committing crime and doing drugs. [ audience booing ] >> uh, sir, i think that racism is not going to help us get out of this. the fact that a black person is four times as likely as a white person to be incarcerated for the exact same crime is evidence of systemic racism. [ applause ] it is evidence of systemic racism and with all due respect, sir, racism makes it harder for good police officers to do their job, too. it is a smear on law enforcement. >> reporter: the guy asking the

question is something of a known troll commodity out here in iowa, but buttigieg's answer is instructive, because this is a question, or more broadly, an issue that he's had to deal with, the issues of race and policing in south bend has been dogging him through this campaign and it was very interesting to me to see the forceful response he put out and heartening to see the forceful response of the crowd of iowans who wanted nothing to do with that man and his question. but these are the things that the candidates get that they don't always expect particularly in these early states for the kand who is do choose to take questions at every event, but i think a very useful moment for mayor pete, frankly, to be able to push back forcefully on that question of race, which has been sort of hanging over his campaign the last few weeks. >> and i think that answer is going to have legs for him for quite some time. you can't help but think back to the time when john mccain then defended barack obama on the campaign trail, as well. and we have played that over and over again, to display john mccain's character, despite what you think of him, despite what you thought about john mccain's politics, whether you're a republican or a democrat, it

displayed his character in that very moment, when he had someone in his crowd speaking negatively about barack obama and where he was from and what they thought his religion was or was not. and the same thing, mayor pete buttigieg, and how that response will be received as well. garrett haake, appreciate it. go ahead, garrett. go ahead. >> reporter: no, we've seen some of that solidarity already amongst and between the democratic candidates. you know, when buttigieg was attacked in the past by some anti-gay protester here in iowa -- or excuse me, in texas, you had beto o'rourke come to his defense. when kamala harris was attacked online with these vaguely birtherist attacks, you had almost the entire democratic field come to her defense online. so you are seeing a lot of these candidates trying to step up, quite frankly, and show that character when their own number are brought to attack or in this case, when other people are brought in to attack just totally baseless. >> maybe they're hearing the message that a unified party wins the race. garrett haake, thank you.

jeff? >> all right, let's head west now, all the way down interstate i-80 to council bluffs, iowa, where we see msnbc correspondent vaughn hillyard who's been following senator kamala harris' campaign this year. so how did the senator spend the fourth? >> she was over in indianola, iowa, which is over in central iowa, before we headed west over to the missouri river here in council bluffs, iowa. and what we saw was a perpetuation of this ongoing battle between the former vice president joe biden and the california senator kamala harris. this started just one week ago on the issue of segregation, on the issue of busing when kamala harris called out joe biden on that debate stage to his opposition to court-mandated busing back in the '70s and '80s. it caught joe biden offguard, and over the last week, he has suggested that his record has been distorted. and he said there were situations in which he was support i have. but to put the record into perspective, there's very little

out there in the public record that suggests that joe biden was any sort of a loud advocate for busing, whether it be voluntary busing or whether it be busing in the case of state-sponsored laws that required segregation in these communities. i want to play with you a little bit of back and forth, though, in why this complicated back and forth has really gained steam over the last week. this was joe biden and kamala harris both yesterday here in iowa. >> i don't have to -- look, my record stands for itself. i've never been accused by anybody in my state or when i'm running as not being an overwhelming supporter of civil rights and civil liberties. i mean, it's just -- this is kind of a, you know, a new thing. you know, we're going back, you know, 40, 50 years now for a vote. you know, look, the last thing, as barrack said, we need a circular firing squad. i'm not picking out votes that

people have cast. this is about today. >> there are still issues of segregation in our schools in america today. so, for local school districts, for municipalities, i am in favor of whatever they need to do to work on the integration, based on race. but thankfully, we don't see what we saw then. and so, you know, i think that it's very important for us to be very clear about history. and frankly, the vice president has yet to agree that his position on the kind of busing that took place when i was bussed to school was wrong. >> reporter: now, the second part of this conversation that has kicked up over this last week is about segregated schools today. kamala harris herself said just a few days ago that segregation in our schools today is just as bad, if not worse, than it was back when she was in elementary school, which, spawned the question of, what should these candidates do? what is the proposal for addressing segregation in

schools today? well, there may not be explicit laws on the book that say that black children and white children can't go to the same school. there's several situations, communities around the country in which there are neighborhoods that have essentially seceded from their school districts, creating school districts that are drawn very much on racial lines. and kamala harris took some flack from biden aides when she said that she was not necessarily -- or was not willing to take the stance of supporting federally mandated busing today, unless there was very explicit laws on the books, suggesting that there should be that divide, which biden says that that was his position back in the '70s. of course, i think this is the beginning of these two candidates seven months out from the caucus, beginning to highlight their contrast in who they are as individuals. again, you look back in the 1970s, you had a u.s. senator from delaware and an elementary schoolgirl from california who is now a u.s. senator from california. >> great point, vaughn hillyard,

thanks for getting up early for us. we appreciate it. and yamiche alcindor, i want to turn to you. because here we are, a week after the debate, and the candidates are still talking about busing. meantime, in iowa, elizabeth warren's favorables seem to be on the uptick as biden and harris keep battling this out. but it occurs to me that, yes, kamala harris might have these sincerely held beliefs about busing, but really it strikes me that this was really or was a proxy argument for her fw, in t debate to say that she can prosecute the case such that it exists against joe biden in much the same way she could prosecute the case against donald trump should she become the nominee and meets him on that debate stage. is that why you think she keeps returning to this well? >> i think she keeps returning to this, because it's an issue that has worked for her and a moment that allowed her to start to ride this moment that she's trying to now take into iowa. so there's this idea that i think, at the core of that exchange between senator harris and joe biden was the issues at stake in the democratic party.

so there's this idea that she was really putting her identity forward. she was saying, as a black woman, i want to first say a word on rathe race. and then i want to tell you a personal story about my experience with race. and what she was doing there was saying, not only am i interested in busing and talking about this policy, but interested in saying as an african-american woman, i'm someone who cannot only understand the consequences of these policies, but also going forward, i'm someone who can look front-runners in the eyes like joe biden and take them on and take them on in a very prosecutorial way. so i think what you're seeing from kamala harris, at this point, is her continuing to really keep on this topic, because it's a topic that joe biden, frankly, was not ready for and it's a topic that he's still trying to in some ways struggle to explain his position. i think this is a proxy war. that i think senator harris is hoping that that momentum keep going. but i also think that senator warren, people close to her campaign were telling me she's going to continue to roll out

policies and her numbers are also going up. there are all of these new polls coming out that are showing both senator harris going after joe biden, is increasing in numbers, but so is lelizabeth warren. so we'll have to watch how these candidates move into the next phase of the race and try to capitalize on that momentum. >> but, rick, this is such a nuanced position. it is such a nuanced back and forth and argument with regards to busing. are these candidates missing a beat? because we do need to talk about race in this country. we do need to talk about race issues in this country, in general. but are they missing a beat by concentrating so much on just busing versus making it part of a bigger conversation? >> i think busing right now is certainly a proxy for this issue. i think kamala harris clearly occupied the moral ground here. but here's the weakness of her argument. she's now saying that segregation is worse today than it was now. so what's her proposal? is she going -- the burden of her position now is that she would have to say that we should

bring back busing. and is she going to run on the idea that we're going to bring back busing? i don't think she wants to be there. >> she's not saying that. >> she's locked herself into that spot. >> she's locked herself in, because nobody thinks that joe biden is a racist. i don't know anybody who does, right? but he does represent a past democratic party. and she has done well up to this point that he's the past, she's future of the democratic party. i don't think many democrats would disagree with that. but by focusing on busing, which she was unprepared for and had the moral high ground, but now she's come full circle and the burden of her argument now is if there is more segregation, what is your plan? busing? >> so if you're the future, what's next? still ahead, everybody, a woman is caught on camera licking a tub of ice cream. wow, guys, thank you for this, and then putting it back in a grocery store freezer. we'll talk to a legal expert about what kind of charges she could face next. it's july 5th, everybody. we'll be right back. ext.

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now to some legal stories that have grabbed nationwide attention this week. manslaughter charges have been dropped against an alabama woman who was shot while she was pregnant. and how a judge is letting a

teenager accused of rape off the hook. joining us now to discuss those and more, state attorney for palm beach county, dave aaronberg. >> welcome, dave. we're going to start with prosecutors in alabama dropping a manslaughter charge against a woman over the death of the fetus she was carrying when she was shot in the stomach, a case that sparked national outrage. have you ever heard of a pregnant woman being charged when someone else causes the death of her fetus here, dave? it is an incredible story, either way. now these charges being dropped. but the fact that she was even being blamed, because it seems as if she started this fight or something, and that was the argument that they were making. >> yeah, never have i seen this before. it's not uncommon for prosecutors to charge someone who attacks a pregnant woman and then causes the loss of her fet fetus, but i've never before seen the pregnant woman herself charged by someone else's conduct. this is unchartered territory. and it's not a coincidence it

comes after the alabama legislature passed the most restrictive abortion law in the country and after alabama voters passed a constitutional amendment for fetal rights that allows a fertilized egg to have equal rights as people who have already been born. this is a dramatic slippery slope and i'm glad the d.a. made the decision not to go ahead with this. because what's to say in the future to a woman who is overworked, overstressed, and loses her baby through miscarriage, are you going to criminalize her in the future? that's where this slippery slope could lead. the increased criminalization of pregnancy. >> another controversy sparking outrage nationwide, not surprisingly, after a judge said a teenage boy accused of rape deserves leniency because he's from a, quote, good family. should a judge ever consider a defendant's family status or test scores when deciding whether a juvenile should be tried as an adult? >> no! >> dave, i have to say, this was incredible to me. sorry, before you weigh in,

because you have a judge here -- and it reminds me of the stanford case actually a couple of years ago, where you have a judge citing this child coming from a good family, saying he's going to be getting into a good school, he doesn't deserve -- >> the aftfluenza case. >> and the stanford rape case as well. but it is incredible to me that you would cite a situation in which a child comes from a good family, maybe getting into a good school, as good character, doesn't have any priors, and yet this kid filmed himself raping this young girl. and here we are. >> yeah, yasmin. >> with this judge citing his character. >> he sent a text along with that video saying, hey, when your first time having sex is rape. those are his words! and yet the judge said he should not be tried as an adult. you know, there are 11 factors in new jersey law that a court should consider when determining

whether a juvenile should be tried as an adult. family status is not one of them! neither is the defendant's s.a.t. scores or the quality of the school he goes to or his extracurricular activities. yet those are all things that this judge considered. and that's why the judge was wrong as a matter of law and also wrong as a matter of equity, because justice is supposed to be blind, especially when it comes to matters of privilege. now, the appellate court did the right thing and overturned the judge's ruling, but it took a year to do so. so justice in this case was delayed and the system was tested. even if it ultimately did the right thing. >> it's just incredible to me, because when you are a vulnerable teenager in this type of situation and find yourself in that situation, you depend on the system to defend you. you depend on a judge to see the moral right here. and in this situation, the judge did not see the moral right here. and you can't help but not necessarily have faith in the future for yourself and in the future of the system when you are that young of a woman being

victimized over and over and over again. i think only -- the only people that can really understand that and how much of a victim you are in a situation like that are women that have been through this type of situation. but then having the system fail you makes it even worse. >> oh, exactly. and as a prosecutor, yasmin, i was especially disturbed that the judge said that the prosecutors in new jersey had a responsibility to tell the victim the kind of negative impact her charges would have on the defendant's future! that's not even the law! >> think about the negative impact that you have on the victim in doing what you did in that basement and then tweeting it out or texting it out to your friends and saying what you did. >> awful. >> exactly. >> i have the privilege of now going into the ice cream challenge. you ready for the ice cream challenge? thank you. >> oh, wiboy. >> a woman was caught on camera licking an open carton of ice cream and then putting it back in the freezer in an east texas walmart. apparently she can face 20 years

in prison. >> yeah, she's unlikely to get that. it's up to 20 years. it's a second-degree felony to tamper with a consumer product. this is gross and it's also pathetic. >> sorry. >> it's a -- it's a terrible way to get twitter followers you know or instagram likes. you know, we saw the best of the internet when it came to the ice bucket challenge, it helped als research. i think we've now hit rock bottom. and i guess, you know, this woman who has now had more than 11 million views on twitter, maybe the only thing that can stop the lure of instant internet fame is a pair of handcuffs. and you know, i think that would be this woman's just desserts! >> bill karins has some competition. >> he's been waiting to deliver that one! >> yes! >> what do we think, guys? thumbs up, thumbs down. >> i like that. that works. >> okay. and i don't know how 11 million people, by the way -- >> control room. let's go to the control room cam.

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you cannot have a nation of immigrants celebrating who you are when you meet four, five women like i did yesterday,

escorting them into our country for asylum and have them come into detention centers where they're denied sanitary services, where they're denied food and water. this is a moral moment in our country. and we have to understand that in this moral moment, there is no neutrality. you either are complicit in what's going on or you're fighting against it. and we've got to break the fight! >> that was senator cory booker yesterday in nevada, speaking on one of the most contentious issues in the 2020 presidential campaign so far, and that's immigration. and while the candidates vary on their stance about the issue, our next guest contends that immigration should be refrained as a matter of global justice. joining us now is associate professor of journalism at new york university, suketu meta. he's the new author of "this

land is our land: an immigrant's manifesto." one of the reasons we like to talk about immigration is because the president talks about immigration, he frames the debate. but how should we be thinking about this differently? >> we keep asking, should immigrants come here? how many should we let in? what we're not asking is, why are they coming here in the first place? it's not because they hate their homes or their countries or their family or the language or the foods. they're coming here because of the rich countries have told the poor countries, that heartbreaking photo of the father and daughter who drowned in the rio grande that horrified the world, well, the united states went into el salvador as we did in all of central america, at one point, the united fruit company owned 42% of all the land in guatemala.

75,000 people died in the civil wars of the 1980s in el salvador, which the united states financed and armed. they can't make a living where they are. so that family, that father and child, they came here because we were swimming the other way across the rio grande, we destroyed their countries, and we continue to do so. 75% of all the guns in mexico, for example, come from the united states. $872 million of mexican money came into the united states in the last few decades through tax havens. so when these immigrants are coming here, they're following the money. it's their money. they're coming here because we were there first. >> it seems to me, though, that the president's tweet from wednesday, i believe, gets to the crux of the situation, when he said, if you don't like the

conditions in these detainment centers, if you don't like what's happening at the border, don't come. it seems as if this administration doesn't even understand the reasons in which why these people are fleeing these countries. and i ask this question, if you woke up tomorrow and you didn't have a job and you didn't know where your meal was going to come from and you feared for the life of your spouse, for the life of your children and for your own life, would you sit there and wait for an opportunity to present itself, which you have never seen in your life to present itself before, or would you flee to the land of opportunity, this country, even if it is a perilous journey across the border where you might be separated from your child? many of these immigrants are -- their answer is yes, i will go, despite what's going on. >> that's right. immigrants who are coming here aren't rapists and drug dealers like the president keeps saying. the president's own mother came as an imdpramigrant from scotla.

the president's grandfather came to the united states speaking no english. these people are going to come in even larger numbers as climate change really kicks in. and who's responsible for this? the united states put in one-third of the excess carbon in the atmosphere. the eu another quarter. as a result, countries like india, people are roasting to death. 5,000 indians died in heat waves last year. so from all over the world, the rich nations owe a debt to the poor nations. one way they can pay this debt is through immigration as reparations. let immigrants come in and everyone benefits. the rich countries themselves because they're not making enough babies. we need immigrants to finance our social security system, our pension systems. the migrants get a chance at a new life, or life itself.

and remittances are the best way of helping the global account. that's the money that immigrants send back in $100, $200 i increments. >> i think immigration as reparations is going to be a hard sell to most americans. on the other hand, i think americans are reluctant to accept the degree to which they have become dependent on immigrants and immigrant labor as part of their own economy, which i think is a much more present point and a much more relevant policy problem in the 21st century. >> well, i think immigration reparations is important because the rich countries do owe a debt to the poor countries. these countries have been ruined by what we've done historically, ranging from colonialism to the slave trade. the european chair of world gdp

went from 20% to 60% of gdp during the colonial period. so these actions have consequences. when we left these countries, we left our corporations behind. an enormous amount of the wealth of africa, for example, goes to the west through tax havens. yes, it is important that the american economy is helped by immigration, but it's not just that we should let them in because it's good for us. we should let them in as a matter of simple justice. take the war in iraq. 600,000 iraqis died because of an illegal and unnecessary war. we should be letting in 600,000 iraqis now as compensation. >> all right. the book is "this land is our land." thank you so much. very much appreciate it. still ahead, american teen and tennis star cori coco gau g

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center stage on independence day. plus a major earthquake hits southern california. authorities say there have been some minor injuries from falling glass and possible damage. and the june jobs report will be released in just a little bit. economists are hoping for a rebound from last month, but if the bounce is too big, it could rattle wall street. >> too little, too big, nothing is good ever. good morning, and welcome back. that's how we'll start this hour to msnbc live coverage on this friday, july 5th. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside calipery and geoff bennett. joe and mika will be back on monday with "morning joe." still with us we have national pert and columnist at "usa today" tom nichols, rick tyler and editor at large from cnbc john harwood who had a big interview days ago with beto o'rourke and senior advisor at moveon.org, karine jean-pierre.

president trump will travel to his golf club in new jersey today after a soggy fourth of july celebration in the nation's capital. thousands of spectators turned out on the national mall for these festivities which typically draws a pretty big crowd but have not included a presidential address since 1951 when then harry truman marked the nation's 175th independence day. on the president's orders, tanks were displayed before the lincoln memorial. a series of aircraft each in tribute to a different branch of the armed forces flew over the crowd. behind rain-streaked panels the president delivered a speech about national heroes walking through american history but returning again and again and again to its military might. >> in june of 1775, the continental congress created a unified army out of the revolutionary forces encamped around boston and new york and named after the great george

washington, commander in chief. the continental army suffered a bitter winter at valley forge, found glory across the waters of the delaware and seized victory from cornwallis of yorktown. it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at ft. mchenry under the rockets' red glare, it had nothing but victory. >> he had a sing-songy way. >> that's the least of it. >> the white house has not yet released an official transcript of the president's remarks. meantime the 2020 democratic presidential primary field out in full force yesterday. candidates spent their july 4th campaigning in early voting states, including iowa and new hampshire. joe biden, kamala harris, bernie sanders, pete buttigieg and beto o'rourke crisscrossed iowa, whose first in the nation caucuses are now less than six months away. hard to believe that.

some 1200 miles away. amy klobuchar, kristin gillibra gillibrand went in the new hampshire parade. cory booker was in boulder city, nevada's fourth of july parade. >> joe biden and kamala harris' battle over the former vice president's position on busing continues to escalate. biden defended his record and spoke about his frustration with harris' attack while in iowa yesterday. >> she's a good person. she is smart as can be. she feels strong. it came out of nowhere. it didn't seem to be something at all consistent with anything i had been accused of before. but i think the end of the day -- we need to talk about the future. busing is something that 99% of the american people don't even know what we're talking about. i've always supported voluntary

busing, which she was a part of. >> harris has disputed that her position mirrors bidens after she said busing should be one of the options in the toolbox available to address school desegregation. >> just to clarify, you don't support federally mandated busing de facto desegregation. >> i believe any tool in the toolbox should be considered by a school district. there are still issues of segregation in our schools in america today. so for local school districts, for municipalities, i am in favor of whatever they need to do to work on the integration based on race. but thankfully we don't see what we saw then. so i think that it's very important for us to be very clear about history. frankly, the vice president has yet to agree that his position on the kind of bussing that took place when i was bussed to school was wrong. >> karine, i want to bring you

into this conversation and let's start from the beginning because i want you since you're just joining us at the top of the hour, i want you to comment first off on the president's speech yesterday. sort of your takeaway from what took place, whatever it is that was, on the mall yesterday as the president sat -- stood basically at the jefferson memorial, a place where we heard the "i have a dream" speech. the juxtaposition of that, when mlk stood on those steps in front of the lincoln memorial and delivered that speech that has been -- that is in everybody's minds on a daily basis and then now you have the president on the fourth of july delivering a speech the way in which he did. >> right. i think there's no comparison at all to the speech that martin luther king gave, the "i have a dream" speech at that same exact location to what we saw yesterday from the president, donald trump. i think what we saw was a sad spectacle. he produced a reality tv show. what he did was he used the

military as a backdrop, as a political backdrop. let's be clear, this was not about the military service or celebrating the military. it was about the president's own fragile ego. and you cannot use the military as a tv reality show. that is not what it's for. that's what donald trump did. it is a sad, sad day when we look at independence day and we're celebrating the fourth of july, many americans are, and you have children, a humanitarian crisis at the southern border that this president started in cages, not getting toothpaste, not getting soap, and also military tanks being carted around washington, d.c. i mean this is where we are today with this president. >> tom, you wrote about this just released this morning in "the daily news," your piece and obviously you were very active on twitter following the president yesterday. give me your take on this. >> you know, the fourth of july is not a military holiday. we already have a holiday for

telling war stories and honoring people that have given their service to the country. it's called veterans day. i think what the president was doing was trying to borrow legitimacy from the military to kind of cloak himself in that legitimacy because it's something he tries to do quite often. he tries to reach out to other parts of the american story and drape it around his shoulders, even though he himself obviously ducked service in vietnam, as many people did, although he draws a lot of attention to it. and i think it was really kind of in some ways very desperate to say, look, i'm going to make my secretary of defense, and general dunford stand here while we tell stories and sing patriotic songs. it was the singing of the songs and the generals, it was very soviet, it was very mayday, exempt that the parade itself got rained out which i think was actually a good thing. it took a little bit of the spectacle out of it which i think was actually probably a better outcome. >> geoff. >> john harwood, i want to get

you to weigh in on the 2020 candidates. i know you interviewed beto o'rourke and we'll talk about that in a minute. let's start with kamala harris and joe biden. it strikes me as any good politician would, kamala harris, she saw an opening and she took it. she attacked joe biden on this issue of busing. but here we are a week later after the debates still talking about it. it strikes me at a certain point there's going to be a limited return on this investment. we've already seen elizabeth warren's favorables are going up as biden and harris continue to duke it out. where do you think this heads next? >> geoff, i think kamala harris has reached the limits of the return on that investment. i've got to say i'm a little bit confused about the situation. i had an exchange with one of her top aides yesterday who was saying why are you making a distinction -- why are you saying her position is the same as biden's? it strikes me as the same. that is to say we had segregated schools then. you had a question of whether or

not the federal government was going to order schools to use busing to desegregate. biden opposed that. many americans opposed that, black and white alike. it was extremely divisive at the time. now schools remain segregated by race. it's not as volatile an issue because nobody has been talking about it. the issue was kind of dropped. but senator harris herself says that she does not support federally mandated busing now. it strikes me as the same position. and for her to have launched a very emotional attack sort of casting herself as a wounded child, you know, with a picture of herself in pigtails and i was that little girl and what you did was hurtful to me, it doesn't -- it doesn't ring especially authentic to me. and so i think that joe biden when we get to the next debate at the end of july is going to

have a pretty strong comeback to her. we'll see where the debate goes from here. >> rick tyler, jump in here. >> karine, i want to pick up on john's point. i don't see the distinction between kamala harris' position and joe biden's position. she was asked by vaughn hillyard would you be for federally mandated busing. she said all tools are on the table. she has also said that schools are as segregated, if not more segregated today. so isn't the burden of her position -- is she really suggesting that busing could be on the table? i'll take you back to 1974. you may not remember. i remember it barely. in 1974, busing was a report of a colossal political failure to provide quality education to minorities. a judge stepped in and said this was the solution. it was not a popular solution. it had about 9% african-american support. i imagine we'd get about the

same today. so can you help us reconcile kamala harris' position? i'm not asking you to speak for her, but what is your observation on the the burden of her position now? >> a couple of things, rick. i do not remember 1974, you're absolutely right. >> i'll tell you about it sometime. >> so you're absolutely right about that. look, i cannot speak for kamala harris but i'll say this. i'm going to step back from the last couple of weeks and just walk through the best way that i know how. look, the busing thing and the segregation and all of that policy came up clear low a couple of weeks ago. we talked about it for ten days. joe biden didn't really address it. he didn't have an answer for it. what ended up happening is kamala harris took that moment and she had a moment with it and she used it. and it was beneficial to her clearly, as you just laid out, as john just laid out. and what's happening now,

though, is kamala harris does risk washing that away if she does not have a consistent policy. and it is confusing right now because we're not really sure where she stands. but yes, she had a moment, she used that, it was great, and now we're all trying to figure out where is she exactly, what does it mean. but biden hasn't really addressed it either. so we're talking about busing. there is something biden did say. most people don't even know or understand what we're talking about. and what would be nice, though, is if we could just talk about how do we move forward. take your positions, be clear on that position and how do we move forward from where we are today. and that's the whole point of having a primary, right, being a visionary. laying out your platform, laying out your policy. and i think that's what's missing from this conversation and why we're all kind of confused. >> are you surprised that she didn't think this through as a prosecutor and that she didn't

have an answer? >> yeah, it is a little surprising. we're all kind of confused and trying to figure out what's going on exactly. there's still a chance for both of them. joe biden, please let us know how we're moving forward, what does that look like, lay that out for us. and there's an opportunity for kamala harris saying here's how we're moving forward. here's a black agenda, an agenda for the black community, here's how we can move forward from where we are today and also just for this country as a whole. >> john, i wonder if kamala is doing herself a disservice. she really killed it on that stage night two of the debate and it seems with this busing controversy she is doing herself a disservice after the high of that debate? >> yes, that's true. but in fairness to her, there are multiple arguments at play. busing was just part of it. one part of it was also the statements that biden had made about working with people like jim eastland who were segregationists. now, anybody who was in congress at that time had to work with

people like jim eastland because he was chairman of the judiciary committee. if segregationists are in power in congress and you're in congress, you have to work with them. but the more significant issue, i think, where biden looked bad in the debate and still has not sounded quite up to 2019 is in the question of whether or not you can revive the days that he was talking about, the days of civility. can you really make deals with republicans the way he boasted that he has in the course of the campaign. he has not looked as if he is quite in tune with the political zeitgeist of 2019 in terms of the relationship of the parties. that may be he's not projecting because voters want to hear somebody that's going to wribri two sides together. certainly throughout the obama administration that joe biden served in, there's not a lot of evidence that you can in fact through persuasion and the fact

that you're good friends with republican senators bring them to your point of view. so to me that is the strongest ground for harris to stand on, which is that joe biden is out of touch with how politics works right now. >> we're going to have much more on 2020 coming up. cal. >> the other big news of the day, a 6.4 magnitude earthquake hit southern california yesterday, the strongest tremor to hit the region in two decades. it struck near the city of ridgecrest located about 160 miles northeast of los angeles. seismologists say there were likely hundreds of separate earthquakes, most of them much smaller, and warned that aftershocks could continue for days. experts say there is a small chance of another earthquake that could be even stronger. joining us now from the epicenter of the earthquake, joe fryer. talking about those aftershocks, are you feeling them today? and what's the latest? >> reporter: we certainly are, cal.

there have been dozens of aftershocks and about an hour ago we felt a 5.4 quake. it was something everyone here noticed. that is the strongest one that we've experienced so far. it shouldn't be surprising. we were told yesterday that the odds of a magnitude 5 or higher happening over the next week was 80%. so those are pretty good odds and the odds came true. the question is could something 6.4 or stronger also hit this region? those odds are much lower, about a 9% chance of that happening over the next week the usgs says. not a lot of cleanup to worry about today. some people are checking foundations in homes and things like that. we see one road that was impacted by the earthquake yesterday. for the most part most of the cleanup is limited to cleaning up store shelves. the library here will have a cleanup because books were dumped all over the place but people here know it could have been much worse. part of the reason is because this is not a heavily populated area near where the epicenter of the quake is.

back to you guys. >> thanks, joe. still ahead, she made headlines for beating venus williams and now cori coco gauff has extended her run at wimbled wimbledon. we'll have a preview of today's action on the tennis court, next. and also a look at this sunday's big world cup final. we'll be right back. we'll be ri. make fitness routine with pure protein. high protein. low sugar. tastes great! high protein. low sugar. so good! high protein. low sugar. mmmm, birthday cake!

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welcome back. 15-year-old u.s. tennis phenom

cori coco gauff is set to take the court later today as she looks to extends her historic run at wimbledon. gauff who was born in 2004, let me just say i had already graduated from college when she was born. >> me too. >> will take on palona hersog. blayne alexander has more on today's match from wimbledon. >> reporter: yasmin, good morning to you. 15-year-old phenom coco gauff is set to take the court later today for round three here at wimbledon. this young lady has absolutely been taking tennis and the world by storm. now, certainly i got a chance to speak with her parents last night. they told me, yes, this has been a surreal experience. they say while they're surprised that it happened this fast, they are not surprised that she's here because they see the commitment that she puts in. she's practicing 12 to 16 hours every single week so they say

they knew she could compete. i talked with them about this rather rigorous prematch routine they have. it involves practice. she and her father say a prayer together and they shared a little bit of what they tell her before each match. take a look. >> what's the last thing that she -- that you tell her, that you guys tell her before she hits the court? >> well, one of the things that i always do, just give her a hug and be your best. enjoy the moment and have fun. >> i'm more of the tactical things. we give her the specifics to be successful but we always get back to keep it simple, enjoy the moment, stay in the moment and you'll be fine if you do that. >> coco's parents also told me they can tell how the tournament is going by the way she is eating. if she's got a good appetite and is eating a lot, that means she's feeling good, the nerves haven't gotten to her. they say that she is eating a lot this week so that could certainly mean trouble for the competition. hers is not the only match today. a lot of eyes will certainly be

on serena williams and andy murray teaming up for mixed doubles. serena just won her own match yesterday, advancing to round three. and if she wins wimbledon this year, she will tie the record for all-time grand slam titles. back to you. >> all right. nbc's blayne alexander, thank you for that. unbelievable. first of all, serena williams and that matchup is going to be great, the doubles match. then you think about coco gauff, 15 years old. tennis is a head game. i played 10 tennis in my time. >> i couldn't hang. it got to me. 15 years old. think that the psyche that you need to have. >> coco has made $75,000 as a pro. if she wins today, she gets a quarter million dollars guaranteed. >> it's not about the money, kairns. >> but she gets a quick lesson on taxes too. >> how about the triumph of a

15-year-old getting to where she's at in this game so early on. the last time somebody was here was jen capriati. >> you were a ball girl for jennifer capriati. >> you went right back to her. >> did you see the other match yesterday, the nadal match? this was like a match on steroids because of the personalities. kyrgios is refusing to apologize because of some of the questionable hits. serving down 5-2 in the first set, he catches nadal off guard. he has a really powerful serve and nadal plays way, way back so he played a little underhand serve. he used the tactic again to his advantage in the second set while once again serving for the game. now let's fast forward -- >> wow. >> that's something i'd do to

barnicle. he drives his forehand shot right at nadal. this is kind of unsportsmanlike. >> wow! >> yeah. and he said he purposely did it. nadal stares him down. he ultimately kept his cool and went on to win. kyrgios said he deliberately did it. he has thrown chairs before, gotten fined, yelled at umpires. >> and you're going up against rafa, arguably one of the greatest players ever and the smartest game and the strongest game. >> rafa is the greatest. >> right? >> as far as the numbers go, there are three men, usa men left. six women are still left in the field too. >> let's be clear, though. this is all a prelude to sunday. >> can i mention the fact that bill karins is at the table. it's pretty cool. >> if joe and mika are watching this, it will be the last time. >> i just got a text. mika said you're out. >> sunday, the women's u.s.

world cup team takes on the netherlands in the finals on sunday. the netherlands advanced after edging out sweden 1-0 in extra time during their semifinal match on wednesday. sunday's game against the u.s. will mark the first appearance in a world cup final. while the americans have beaten the dutch six consecutive times previously, the two teams have not faced each other since 2016. since then the dutch have gotten a lot better. they won the european championship in 2017. they put more players into these club teams like barcelona and arsenal. in my living room this will be front and center. i have a 10-year-old daughter so we're really excited about this. are you watching this? >> i'm watching it. >> they have yet to trail in a tournament, just like the usa so it's not like this is going to be a walkover. >> yeah. can i just say as well, you know, we've talked about the pay disparity when it comes to these female soccer players and it's been in the news a lot, especially when their male counterparts are making so much more money than them. these women have made so much

headway, getting so much press, they're winning games. pony up. >> and megan rapinoe, she is in this battle against president trump. she had that great shot. there she is. do i not entertain you, the gladiator shot. you can't find her jersey anywhere, by the way. >> that's part of the thing about equal pay. jerseys are flying off the shelves. people love this team. geoff, are you watching? >> the game? of course, absolutely. i'll be right there with you. >> the match. the match, geoff. even when he said it, he didn't look very confident. you've got to sell it, man. still ahead, there are new privacy concerns about amazon -- yasmin, come on. new privacy concerns about amazon's alexa device recording your conversations and keeping the information. plus the june jobs report is just crossing the wires. we'll bring you those numbers and what it means for the economy, next. numbers

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we've got breaking news with the release of the monthly jobs report. leslie picker joins us with the numbers. >> strong report today.

nonfarm payrolls increasing by 225,000. average hourly wages rose 3.1% compared with estimates of 3.2%. the unemployment rate went up slightly to 3.7%. that's a little higher than the 3.6% that economists were estimating. we also got some revisions for the may numbers. if you recall, those numbers were quite weak, about 75,000 at the time. today we've learned that they have been revised downward to 72,000. april numbers for nonfarm payrolls were also revised downward as well. so a lot of people in the market today will be looking at today's numbers as an indication for what the fed right do if the numbers had been potentially weaker than economists were estimating it could further provide support for a rate cut when they meet later this month. given today's numbers, it could be a little bit more up in the air as for what they may do. back to you. >> leslie picker, thanks for

your time this morning. john harwood, my friend, this is your wheelhouse. what's your take on this? >> it's better than anticipated, better than the consensus, which was 160 or 170, but of course the question is going to be does stronger economic data make it less likely that the fed is going to cut interest rates. we don't know the answer to that. jerome powell indicated that they were going to watch the data, that they had changed their sort of bias against doing it. they removed patience from their guidance going forward. donald trump and his administration want a cut in interest rates. they think that will help the economy which has been slowing as we get to the latter part of 2019 and into his re-election year in 2020 and don't know whether a stronger than expected 224 will change the fed's approach. i think most people in the markets and in washington expect that the fed will cut rates sometime between now and the end

of the year, perhaps more than once, and we're going to have to see how they sift this data as it nets out with other data that we get. >> hey, tom, rick, weigh in on these numbers for us. rick, i'll start with you. >> these are good numbers. when you have unemployment at 3.6%, now 3.7%, historically low, how many more jobs can the economy afford. you want this kind of report politically toward the end of 2020 and not toward the end of 2019. john is exactly right, it undermines the president's entire argument of getting a rate cut. and so he probably won't get a rate cut now but he's set up the fed unfortunately in my opinion to be the fall guy when the economy -- look, we're on a great run and it keeps going, but it's likely to end sometime. >> yeah, this is the kind of news that the president can take almost anything out of and continue with his criticism of

the fed no matter what it does at this point. because better than expected, slight uptick in unemployment. there's a lot of different ways to spin this. i'll be curious to see what message the president takes out of these numbers. >> he's certain to run with this. and what message the 2020 hopefuls will take out of this and run with it. 2020 white house hopeful beto o'rourke is filling in the blanks on his plans for the economy. john harwood recently sat down with the former congressman. that conversation coming up. n c. you've tried so many moisturizers...

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welcome back. john harwood, i want to come back to you because the latest installment of your speak easy series is with presidential candidate beto o'rourke. let's take a look at it first. >> at the debate the other night, you got a question about the 70% tax rate. you didn't say that was too high, you didn't say it was about right or too low. >> yeah. >> why not? >> i should have. it's too high. i think in my 60 seconds of trying to get an answer in and trying to root my answer in the fundamental inequality of this economy and the inability of far too many of our fellow americans to be included in this economy, which is, you know, central to anything else that we're going to address, including the tax rate, i didn't answer the direct question. so if you're asking me, no, i don't think we should have a 70% tax rate. i think that is too high. >> what sounds right to you? >> i think you at a minimum roll back the worst elements of the

trump tax cut. so the marginal -- the top marginal tax rate back up to 39%. >> trade expansion is broadly good for the economy. it has diffuse benefits for most people. but concentrated costs for some people in industries adversely affected. it seems to me that you've been kind of on both sides of the trade debate. you were for trade promotion authority but now you say you would have been against transpacific partnership. >> what i would do in my administration is make sure we were able to conduct trade negotiations with all of these specific partners butitize standards so free trade is fair trade. >> so the rap is that he's big on the back story but not as much on the policy. he appears to be putting the meat on the bones of some policy proposals there. >> that's right. and he's defining himself, interestingly to me, a little bit closer to where joe biden is

than, say, elizabeth warren or bernie sanders is, that is in the moderate end of the spectrum. and beto o'rourke could be somebody if joe biden has more political trouble who could inherit some of that support. but elizabeth warren is talking about a wealth tax and bernie sanders is talking about a range of taxes to finance his health programs. beto o'rourke is talking about essentially rolling back the trump personal tax cuts and going back to the 39.6% rate that it was when obama was there, rolling back the business corporate tax rate to 28%, not to 35% that it was in the obama administration. so clearly putting himself in that moderate lane and seeing that as the place where he potentially could be the most viable. >> john harwood, thanks so much for that. >> you bet. new concerns about amazon's alexa device not only recording your conversations but storing them indefinitely. joining us now, nbc news

correspondent jo ling kent. what? >> yeah. you know, this is actually something we've known about for a long time because it's in the terms of use of your alexa. you basically want to take a closer look because congress is asking amazon for more answers on what exactly alexa is keeping, whether it's audio or transcripts. it's a new revelation into your privacy. >> alexa, do you know everything? >> no, but i'm always learning. >> if alexa is always learning, that's because it's designed to start listening when prompted boy key words. and when it's listening, it's also recording. so what exactly happens to those recordings? in may, delaware senator chris koonce requested answers, writing i am very concerned by reports that text transcriptions of these audio records are preserved indefinitely on amazon's servers. this week amazon wrote back saying we retain customers'

voice recordings and transcripts until the customer chooses to delete them. amazon says it stores this data in order to improve the performance of its voice assistants. customers can review, listen to and delete voice recordings using the voice history feature in the alexa app. however, there are exceptions, including when they subscribe to amazon music unlimited, requests a car from uber or lyft, orders a pizza from domino's, amazon and or the applicable skill developer obviously need to keep a record of the transaction. the executive in charge of alexa gave us an exclusive look at the technology last august. >> we want to know what are customers experiencing and how are they using our devices in a natural environment. >> amazon says its products are designed with privacy concerns in mind. >> proivacy and security are first and foremost super important to us. we take it very seriously. >> but with new revelations that what alexa records does not disappear, some customers are

asking if the default should be set to forget instead. >> all right. so we haven't heard more from amazon beyond that letter that they sent to congress, but we did look into how you can delete your audio files. what you can do is go into your alexa app, go into the settings and the privacy settings and delete. if you haven't done this before and you scroll through, you will see every single audio command logged, stored in the amazon cloud, yes, and then oftentimes they have the right to keep the transcript of that. and so basically this is a play for artificial intelligence, right? the more they have on you, the more convenient it is for you because they know what movie or what song you want to hear. but also you're paying a price. >> tom is having some kind of breakdown. >> disbelief. >> okay, first of all, ew. but second, it strikes me how hypocritical people are. wasn't it just five or six years

ago our hair was on fire, we were all freaking out that the national security agency kept a bunch of phone numbers with no other data, with just random phone numbers that had been dialed outside the united states and people who object to that are saying, but just record everything i say in my house and keep it on file in case i forget to go to like the settings that says -- >> yeah. >> i think it's just a reminders of how much of our privacy we give up voluntarily. >> for convenience. >> for convenience. >> which i do every day. >> exactly. and i think also you've got to be aware of what's been happening with amazon alexa. there's episodes of random laughing. audio files have been sent -- >> alexa, shut off the damn lights. >> alexa, pack yourself and go back. >> i have a child that asks alexa for things when we're outside, by the way. >> it's totally normal. >> love that. >> jo ling kent, thank you. car manufacturers are

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what's happening with the plan now? does it change politics at all in the area to you think? >> i'm sure you have more people around here vote for trump, including myself, because he promised to bring jobs back. we need competitive manufacturing jobs. i really don't care if it's democrat, republican, male, female, black, white, i don't care whoever is in there. you need to put america first and americans working first. >> that was a look at the upcoming episode of "the new york times" the weekly which looks at the fallout of the general motors decision to pull out of the lordstown and how it affects politics. in 2016, president trump as you remember campaigned that his presidency would save the u.s. auto industry and our next guest traveled to lordstown to examine the political fallout from the fact that he wasn't able to deliver on that. joining us now is national correspondent for the "new york

times" sabrina tabornise. help us understand more of what you found there. >> so in lordstown, it's actually a pretty -- had been a pretty vibrant economy because of this large gm plant that opened in 1966, and essentially, you know, this was a place that for many, many decades had voted democrat. it was a true blue union place and hadn't really voted for a relationsh republican for president since 1972. in 2016 voted for trump. so this was a -- something that piqued my curiosity and we took the trip and decided to look more closely at the story. >> i know you want to jump in here. >> yeah. this is a fascinating interview. we could learn a lot from what you just did there. my question to you is, i couldn't tell, do they blame trump? because now it is trump country.

do the folks that you spoke to, do they blame trump? also, you know, what do they think should happen next in their town? >> so, it's very interesting because i was expecting in my mind that they would because there had been many layoffs at this plant, really since the day after his election. what i found was something much more complicated and when you think about it it actually makes a lot of sense. you know, people there voted for barack obama, many people i talked to voted for barack obama, often twice, and they also voted for president trump. you know, what they said was, we were just sort of, you know, choosing the guy we thought might bring change. it was a hail mary in some ways for both times. now we have a situation in which we don't have the change we wanted and we're pretty disappointed actually. we're confused.

we don't know where to turn. >> sabrina, very quickly, what would your prescription be for democrats as they sort of head into this? >> prescription for democrats? that's a good question. i think that a lot of these workers would be open to a democratic argument. after all, you know, they voted for obama and they voted for democrats for many cycles. i think democrats need to convince them that they actually have the answer to how the economy will get better for them in these places. these are places that have been losing manufacturing jobs since the 1970s and really the only jobs around when you look in a place like lordstown are low-paying service jobs, you know, fast food and service jobs that don't pay nearly as much as they were making at gm, you know, $7.25 versus $30 an hour. that's a huge difference. >> you can catch the new episode of "the weekly" this sunday on fx.

sabrina, thank you so much. want to thank all of our guests for joining us for the last three hours. still ahead on msnbc, a live report from the white house for reaction to this morning's new jobs numbers. joe and mika will be back with "morning joe" at 6:00 a.m. on monday. and before that, catch me and jeff on monday at 4:00 a.m. for "first look." chris jansing will pick up the coverage after a quick break. we'll be right back.

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good morning, everyone. i'm chris jansing in for stephanie ruhle. we start with breaking news at this hour. job growth rebounding. 224,000 jobs were added last month, surpassing the 165,000 initially predicted. but the unemployment rate did tick upwards slightly to 3.7%. joining me cnbc contributor ron insana. what's your big headline beyond that? >> it suggests a couple things, one that economy may not be slowing down as much as feared based on last month's employment numbers which were sub-1,000 growth. you're seeing this in the markets already, the federal reserve may not be under as much pressure to lower interest rates. we're seeing long-term rates move back to 10%, stocks are down as they anticipate maybe less pressure on the fed to make a move this month, and so we -- >> would people be breathing a

sigh of relief that maybe last month was not a sign of a more significant problem? >> absolutely. and now we still have weakening global economic growth. we saw some factory order numbers out of germany quite disappointing and seeing a slowdown in manufacturing around the world and we're seeing, you know, some softness in some u.s. indicators, but the job machine continues to churn out jobs. we have more jobs than we have unemployed people. 7.4 million open jobs, 6.3 million unemployed. as people come back into the workforce one of the reason the unemployment rate may have ticked up to 3.7% last month, that is good news. now we need better news in the sense that if the trade war were stopped with china and we resolve that entirely, take a lot of pressure off the global and domestic economy and you would get some runway on the upside going forward. >> can i go back to the fed and interest rates because this is a something a lot of people including wall street folks look at very closely. why is that such a significant

indicator for the markets? for somebody who doesn't watch this every day, they would look at this and say, hey, great jobs numbers, we already had a record-breaking day this week. >> yep. >> we would probably break another record. >> yes. i think the market will come around to that. the fact that it may not be as necessary for the fed to urgently reduce interest rates, that's actually good news. now, the president may come out and tout these numbers quite, you know, strongly, but then also, suggest -- >> i'm surprised he hasn't tweeted already. did i miss something, control room? >> he keeps pressing the fed to lower interest rates but saying the best economy in history. those are mutually exclusive ideas. the fed does not cut rates when the economy is on fire. they worry more about inflation than recession. there's cognitive dissidence there when it comes to interpreting the numbers. whether the fed is looking at other risks outside the united states, the slow down in manufacturing globally, maybe take a rate cut this summer

remains to be seen. as far as these numbers go, they're quite a bit better than expected and show at least the labor markets are holding in quite nicely. >> let's go to the white house which is where we find nbc's kelly o'donnell. have we heard from the president? have we heard from anybody, kelly, in that building behind you? >> we have not yet, but the president's campaign has tweeted about these numbers with one of his top staffers there calling it strong numbers and implying that's a setback for democrats in the political context and using the #keepamericagreatagain, again from the campaign. we expect to hear from the president because he will be departing from the white house with the first lady to head to new jersey for the rest of the holiday weekend going to their home there at one of the trump branded golf properties where they have a house. we expect a chance to at least give the president the on-camera moment that he so often will seize on days like this to talk about the numbers, but certainly this is the kind of thing that the president will tie to his own re-election as well as the

vibrancy of the economy and to try to argue that it's his policies making a difference. we're also expecting, of course, it's a holiday weekend so there may not be as much in terms of the sort of flow of the president's economic advisors coming out to tout these numbers, but something closely watched by the administration and something that in this instance, we can expect the president will be pleased by and again we'll have a chance to speak to him on the south lawn coming up. >> another number we're interested in, the census. waerpts expecting a decision on whether his administration will come up with the new legal justification, a deadline, 2:00 eastern time today, the judge said look if you're going to go back and still want the census question, are you an american citizen, added, you better figure out that new justification now because the supreme court threw out the one you spent a year coming up with. what are we expecting on that or do we have any idea? >> we know from talking to sources and advisors here that people who were tasked with

these issues have been working straight through the holiday and part of what the judge wanted was a game plan going forward. would the administration have a new legal justification, a path in terms of the litigation going on involving the supreme court that asked a lower court to look at this, is there another option. we've been told that the president has all options on the table, which would include exploring other kinds of legal tools in the area of an executive directive, could the president find a way to add this to the census under that kind of a heading where he could act in his presidential powers apart from a legal case. what we've been told is that the work has been going on through the holiday to make some determinations. remember, of course, chris, why this stands out they had already made a decision at the department of commerce and department of justice they were not going to pursue this and would print the census questionnaires, an enormous task, without that question. it needs to get going in the month of july.

there was a july 1st deadline. we're a few days past that and the decision was made to simply move on from this issue and it was the president who threw a tweet reversed that and then put a lot of pressure on his administration to keep trying, saying they would absolutely continue to pursue this. we don't know what the end result will be, but they are looking at those options. as soon as we learn we'll bring it to you. >> maybe something the president will also talk about on the south lawn. kelly o'donnell, thank you. >> i'm thinking that. >> as kelly pointed out, about an hour from now the president will head to his new jersey golf resort after his july 4th salute to america celebration. the flyover, critics feared the president's speech would veer from patriotism to partisan politics. but he did stick to script which may not necessarily be a good thing considering some glaring historical errors. >> the continental army suffered a bitter winter of valley forge. our army manned the evident,

took over the airports, did everything it had to do and at fort mchenry under the rocket's red glare it had nothing but victory. >> it took over the airports? the idea that there were airplanes in the 17 or 1800s is particularly odd since just earlier in the speech the president noted the wright brothers flew the first plane in 1903. not surprisingly, perhaps, the #revolutionary war airport stories started trending on twitter. some people out there are awfully clever. i'm joined by jonathan allen, nbc national political reporter and msnbc contributor christopher, news editor for the daily beast. here's what "washington post" writes about yesterday, historians, at least the ones fact checking the president on twitter were not impressed. one likened the speech to an angry grandpa reading a fifth grader's book report on american

military history. it may just be the president, you know, he has some trouble reading the prompter and it was raining, so that's, you know, not the most fun, i could feel the pain on that, but shouldn't his speech writers know not to conflate the revolutionary war and the war of 1812 which happened in separate centuries. >> and throw in the airports as well. it was a pretty extraordinary muddle, historically. i think the real problem here is not only that the speech writers screwed up or the teleprompter screwed up but that the president himself is oblivious to american history. he has a kind of, how shall i say, a delusional notion of what made america great and i think that was reflected in his ignorant remarks about american history in that segment. >> who wrote that. that's one question. factual errors aside, the president did not turn this into a political campaign speech. "the washington post" columnist and former george w. bush

speechwriter, wrote this, democrats promised they would witness a partisan address but instead they saw the president deliver a deeply unifying speech with each passing minute the president looked larger and his critics looked increasingly petty and small. was there too much hand wringing by the democrats in the lead up to this? >> i think that the columnist is wrong there. the democrats didn't watch him give a unifying speech. the democrats didn't watch him speak at all. i think the number of people watching, tuning in to the president speaking on the democratic side was probably extraordinarily small. in terms of making him look larger by giving a speech that was unifying, i think the president's message was not particularly partisan or political one. as chris suggests, the knowledge of history was a little bit of an issue. i think everybody is entitled to make a mistake here or there. >> and we all have on the air. >> for sure. i think what's troubling is that

nobody at the white house seems to care. >> yeah or fact checked it or ran it through google. you took exception -- go ahead. >> i was going to say as a native marylander we care about fort mchenry and the war of 1812 and its role in our national anthem and it was a little disappointing to see that conflated with the american revolution. >> in addition to that, chris, you took exception to one part of the president's speech i'm going to play now. >> together we are part of one of the greatest stories ever told, the story of america. it is the chronicle of brave citizens who never give up on the dream of a better and brighter future. >> what didn't you like about that? >> brave citizens. i think the emphasis on citizens there misses the point of american history. the whole greatness of america is built on the idea of a nation of immigrants, building a future together. a nation of immigrants. something he scheid away from. not a nation of citizens or that excluded people, but a nation that included people and

included their dreams. the possibility to build a future in the new world that was infinitely better than the future in the old world. that is what american greatness is based on. and that is exactly what trump wants to ignore because his greatness, if you will, is based on creating fear and hatred, a kind of rabid nationalism that george orwell said bears something in common with the idea that you cans classify people the way you can classify insects, citizens, non-citizens. you don't classify them by their dreams, by their possibilities, by their faith in america. you classify them as citizens and non-citizens. >> and by the way, jonathan, when we talk about the democrats prior to the speech raising some concerns, we still don't know how much this event cost. i mean, "the washington post" reported $2.5 million was diverted from national park fees, but we know what the president tweeted, for example, that the main cost was going to be fuel, has been discounted by

fact checkers. could there still be some repercussions here or is this just a one and done? >> i mean, i think it's probably a one and done. i think there's a lot made out of the costs of things that the president does. every president undertakes particular actions, goes on various trips, has campaign activities that, you know, that require a cost of secret service, air force one, et cetera, and ultimately those are relatively, i hate to say it, relatively small costs to the nation and every time they get picked apart by the opposition. >> jonathan allen, christopher dickey, good to see you both and thanks for coming in on this day after the fourth. up next, former vice president joe biden with some telling comments about a potential running mate as well as his plan for health care, which includes bringing back the individual mandate. but it's his reaction to a question about his back and forth with kamala harris that has people really talking this

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this morning, in what were argue gly his most personal comments on the topic yet, joe biden once again defended his record on desegregation of schools, an issue that came up on the debate stage in miami when kamala harris attacked his

votes again votes. the back and forth has kept traction and biden says the nature of the attack caught him off guard. >> so easy to go back and go back 30, 40, 50 years and take a context and take it completely out of context. i mean, you know, i get all this information about other people's past and what they've done and not done and i'm just not going to go there. if we keep doing that, that's -- we should debate what we should do from here. i wasn't prepared for the person coming at me the way she came at me. she knew beau, knows me. >> this continued on the july 4th holiday with both candidates discussing the issue as they spoke to voters in iowa yesterday. mike is in des moines, iowa, following the latest in the back and forth. mike, the fact that both the candidates support the broader,

but this clearly is personal for both of them. where does it seem to be going? >> yeah, chris, you're right. this is personal as you saw kamala harris made this personal almost immediately on the debate stage talking about her as the girl who benefitted from a policy of bussing. but this is also personal as you heard from the former vice president in terms of who the attack came from. i think he was prepared for the issue of bussing to come up in that debate but there was a relationship between beau biden, his son, former attorney general of delaware and kamala harris when she was the attorney general of california and he was surprised to hear it come from her in a personal way. where does this issue stand now? here's where i think the harris campaign want the focus to be on where biden stood 40 years ago. the biden campaign is trying to make this about where harris stands on the issue of bussing today. biden we heard him again defend his record saying that he was always for voluntary bussing in local communities, also supported federally backed

court-ordered bussing in cases where there was statutory discrimination and the need for integration of schools. what he was opposed was integration for the sake of integration alone. but what they're pointing out now is that senator harris seems to be articulating now as far as her position on bussing, something similar to what the vice president himself believes today. senator harris addressed this yepds and take a listen to how she addressed it. >> there are still issues of segregation in our schools in america today, so for local school districts, for municipality, i am in favor of whatever they need to do to work on the integration based on race. thankfully we don't see what we saw then. so, you know, i think that it's very important for us to be very clear about history and frankly the vice president has yet to agree that his position on the kind of bussing that took place when i was bussed to school was wrong. >> reporter: so the vice

president and his campaign see that answer, hear that answer and think, really there isn't too much, she's saying it should be one tool in the toolbox like he believes. now the vice president will be leaving iowa haengds to houston where he will be talking about his education policy. biden saying that's where the focus should be at this point. triple title 1 funding for disadvantaged schools and how you address the issues of systemic racism in our education system. >> thank you so much from des moines. joining me to weigh in, a republican strategyist and author of "branding america," basel, former director of the new york state democratic party. try to help people figure out, this daylight here, no daylight here? when i've seen a lot of interviews with folks, for example, in iowa they're not sure what the hubbub is about. help us from your perspective. >> education generally in a presidential election doesn't rate in the top three or four issues, so there does need to be more discussion here.

look, since brown versus board of ed the courts have said that states and districts must do what they can to desegregate schools with, quote, all deliberate speed. the emphasis was on states and districts to do this. the problem is that it was often met with violence and quite frankly white flight started because of the issue of bussing. it's had a very mixed results. civil rights activists did go back be to the federal government and the courts to try to get some relief. unfortunately, the courts have now started to pull away from mandating districts to do this and we're seeing right now, a lot of school districts just this segregated now as they were 15 or so years ago. new york city, as diverse as it is, is one of the most segregated school districts in the country. this is a very important issue for the african-american community -- >> are we really talking about the issue, i wonder? are we getting anywhere on the issue? it does seem and i'm not just

stating the fact that it is very personal for both of them. i mean, that was one with of the moments in both debates when she said that little girl was me, when she talked about bussing. for joe biden and we just saw it here but he has said it for the last week, you know, he believes he has a really strong record on civil rights and you know me, you know beau, his son, who died. >> i think that was the bottom line. that was my takeaway. i think he was caught off guard and rightfully so. we have all heard the rumors that a golden ticket for the democratic party would be a biden/harris ticket. everybody has heard this matchup in coffee shops or talking behind the scenes. >> it's offensive to a lot of women why are we talking about the women as the v p. >> you're hearing this. we've all heard this combo ticket, this golden ticket, and i think that he was shocked that she took, you know, a shot at his record and if this

continues, if it looks like, you know, which it very may well be, she's entering into the real top tier, moving up the ladder f it's between both of them and they start a pretty big war over his record and taking shots at one another that's not going to be that great. >> it wasn't a pot shot, but it was a proxy. >> he thought it was. >> it wasn't. it was a proxy not just for education issues but for issues of race and in trying to draw out a distinction between a younger democratic party in terms of where it's moving and policies coming out of joe biden's camp that may seem inknack crow nistic to where we are today. i think it was successful in drawing that distinction. the question is, are we actually going to end up talking about education and segregation issues or are we going to just sort of pivot to something else? >> joe biden talked about health care today. we know that is one thing that has risen to the top few things

that democratic voters care about. he was asked about what a lot of people perceived as his party's lurch to the left. here's what he said. >> i think it should be health care for everyone. i have a plan on how to do that that's rationale and will cost a hell of a lot less and will work. if you provide an option for anybody who, in fact, wants to buy into medicare for all, they can buy in. they buy in. and they can do it. but if they like their employer based insurance, which a lot of unions broke their neck to get and a lot of people like they shouldn't have to give it up. if you don't go my way and go their way, you have to give up all that. what's going to happen when you have 300 million people landing on a health care plan. >> that really is part of even a larger discussion where he argued that it was moderates who were the real winners 2018 and he's obviously saying if you nominate somebody, subliminally, if you nominate somebody too far to the left we as democrats are giving up a golden opportunity.

there's a lot of conversation about this within the party. >> absolutely. and health care will be front and center and i think that joe biden, from that interview, appeared strong, appeared confident, appeared like he has the plan. he was pretty much forewarning people if you go too far to the left, these plans, these things that they say that are viable, they're not going to be sustainable. in a way he was letting, you know, letting everybody know he's the man with the plan so to speak. >> absolutely right about 2018. it was moderates that won across the country because they ran in their districts and there may be a silent majority of democrats who are moderate that are not on twitter driving the conversation that are still going to be rooting for joe biden. >> a lot of other people in this campaign. >> that's right. >> i want to bring up one of them because obviously for joe biden, for kamala harris, for everybody, you cannot win this without the african-american vote which is up for grabs right now, i think we can agree with that. pete buttigieg who has let's say

struggled, had no support within the african-american community, had this moment yesterday that a lot of people are talking about. >> i would like you to make a comment on my proposal, just tell the black people of south bend to stop committing crime and doing drugs. >> sir, i think that racism is not going to help us get out of this. the fact that a black person is four times as likely as a white person to be incarcerated for the exact same crime is evidence of systemic racism. it is evidence of systemic racism and with all due respect, sir, racism makes it harder for good police officer to do their job too. it is a smear on law enforcement. >> i don't know if this rises to the iconic moment that john mccain had when he pushed back against birtherism, but does it help pete buttigieg and is it a lesson for everybody in this

campaign, you can't just let people say stuff like that? >> yes, and yes. it is a lesson for all to be more aggressive about pushing back on racism. you cannot be race neutral in this political environment. i do think it might help him gain african-american votes, particularly since he had a really tough week with the shooting and his response. i would also say that for -- this issue, the way that was discussed in that black folks should just get over it or should stop committing crimes, that is a very common refrain, and more candidates need to come out forcefully on trying to dismantle a lot of that. the other question, could we ever really get those votes? i think that's -- >> you're not going to get that guy's votes but i think it is important for somebody to call it out about what it is. you're sticking around, thank you for that.

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there it was, the opening bell. wall street opened for business after that much better than expected jobs report last hour. out of the gate, look at this, stocks down almost 100 points. why would they be lower after such good numbers? it's because it's reducing the chances the fed will cut interest rates as we heard from ron a short time ago. let's look at the jobs numbers again, can we? 224,000 jobs were added last month. the unemployment rate ticked up to 3.7%. hourly wages are up just over 3% from a year ago. ron insana is back with me and noelle and bassle, i've learned never to question any of your prognostications. >> because the last time i was on i nailed the mexico deal. >> you just told me the stocks were going to go down a little bit. >> the futures were lower. not hard to make that call. >> i'm just saying. what's going to go on here now? what are you expecting through the day and what's going to be

the reaction on wall street generally? >> in the short run you get a knee jerk reaction. you get some downside action coming into the stock market and you pointed out earlier we hit records in the dow, s&p and the nasdaq on wednesday, so -- >> let me stop you there. let's remember most americans are not invested in the stock market. >> about half are. >> they don't feel that. and while the headline is great i think for the president, obviously, you know, that's a really impressive jobs number, 40% of americans say in a study just done, they're struggling to pay their bills. are those the americans who are largely going to be deciding this presidential race, the folks who don't have the money to put in the stock market, the folks who are struggling week to week? >> i think so. there's a higher number of 70 to 78% of americans that live check to check. there's a studio in harlem right

now, 600 some odd square feet that sold for $1 million. when you add housing into the equation, there are a lot of americans that are feeling squeezed. i do think there are going to be the ones that are largely deciding the fate of the country going forward, but it's also those americans that donald trump had tried to woo in 2016, sold them on what we think are false promises so it's incumbent upon democrats to create a strong counter narrative. >> one of the things they're talking about is a $15 minimum wage, right? >> that's right. >> here's a staggering statistic. more than a third of u.s. jobs pay less than $15 an hour. half of all jobs pay less than $18.58. is this where the president is vulnerable? >> maybe so, but, you know, if you're a republican, especially if you are part of trump's base, this is just another win. this is just another promise fulfilled. promises made, promises kept. >> what's the promise that's fulfilled? >> that the economy is going well. >> going to get more jobs.

>> the jobs are plentiful. a lot of people when they feel like the economy, you know, consumer confidence, when you -- wage growth has been going up a little bit, so if you feel like the economy is on an upswing and you don't have a fear of the economy going to hell in a hand basket, there are actual jobs out there, you're going to feel better about the outlook on life. when you're looking at a down economy -- >> one of the groups that helped the president, ron, manufacturing, people who had lost manufacturing jobs in the industrial midwest where i'm from. i haven't looked at the, you know -- i haven't looked inside these numbers that just came out but in general manufacturing jobs have stopped growing and where are we with that? >> that's true globally because of the trade war ongoing between the united states and china. even though there is a trade truce, the tariffs are still in place, china's manufacturing sector has weakened, seeing it through europe and we're seeing manufacturing indexes across the

world get very close to the point where we're starting to see a contraction in that activity. so service economy still looks pretty good. it's starting to weaken. we have a slow growth environment in the united states, but the rest of the world is far weaker than the u.s. so that's one of the reasons why we're holding up relatively well. there is a risk, however, that the rest of the world, being as weak as it is, could slow the u.s. going forward. these job numbers are reassuring for the moment. it doesn't tell us anything necessarily about where we're going to be six or nine months from now. >> go ahead. >> can i make a plug for labor unions here as well because when you talk about $15 minimum wage or the partnerships that unions could have with businesses to try to increase apresenceships and so on, that could ease some of the fear particularly as jobs are lost to automation. there are red states that have been trying to pull back on union jobs and union power for a long time, but i think you will see a resurgence. >> let me challenge the notion

for a minute. we talked about it earlier in the show. there are 7.4 million open jobs in the united states. there are 6.3 million unemployed. we have a deficit of laborers that total 1.1 million. low, medium and high skilled. trucking jobs going wanted that pay 80 to $120,000 a year. 300,000 cyber security jobs are open. 400,000 construction jobs are open. those should be getting filled and if there's a public policy failure it's creating an environment in which, as he was saying, we reskill labor to fill those jobs and engage in comprehensive immigration reform because that's critical. >> there are democrats talking about that. not always getting the headlines. ultimately for whoever the nominee is and whoever wants to win the nomination, do you go back to the old james carville saying, it's the economy stupid. >> it is, totally. it is the economy. >> there has been sort of this sense that economy is rolling along, we have these good unemployment numbers, we have these great stock numbers. >> sure. >> and yet, 40% of americans are

worried where their next paycheck is coming from. >> one of the things said when they were talking about kamala harris and biden, what's on the forefront regarding education is paying back student loans, promising to pay back the debt, which is if you want to look at it, it's about money and the economy. we are still a nation that's obsessed with, you know, where we are economically. >> elizabeth warren has a plan for that. >> and -- >> need a plug. >> and if joe biden wants to win he better get one. >> there you go. >> ron, bassle, noelle, thanks to all of you and much appreciated. i have some friends out in california who have felt the shocks in southern cal after the strongest earthquake in two decades strikes the region. we'll get a live report from the hardest hit area next. -driverless cars... -all ground personnel...

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experts are warning southern california to brace for the possibility of another earthquake in the next week after being hit with the strongest earthquake to shake the region in two decades on thursday. the 6.4 magnitude quake struck near ridgecrest, california, 150 miles northeast of los angeles. 20 million people live in the earthquake zone and it was felt as far away as las vegas. i'm joined now for nbc -- by nbc meteorologist bill karins for more and nbc's molly hunter is on the ground in ridgecrest.

molly, i know there have been some aftershocks this morning. have you been able to feel anything and what's the word on damage and injuries? >> hey, chris, good morning. that's right. just in the last couple of hours we felt one almost every couple minutes. i was just telling your producer that actually there's a good chance we might feel one in the next few minutes. the strongest ones this morning have been magnitude 5.4 and magnitude 4.1. feeling a 5.4 quake when this close to the epicenter is close. we did feel that 6.4 but i was in l.a. yesterday and it was a rolling motion. it's been extraordinary to be this close to the epicenter and feel them as they go this morning. the damage here has been minimal and this whole town is really feeling kind of relief this morning. there's not that much cleanup. of course liquor stores did get some bottles on the ground, couple libraries had their books kind of tossed answered and yesterday we spoke with a guy who actually, there was a spark in his garage, small fire in his garage. let's take a listen to what jack menton said. >> i thought that was the most violent one i had ever felt.

that car sitting outside the doughnut shop there, we were looking at that dancing around like it was literally doing a jig and i thought i don't want to be even in that. i've experienced a number of them but that was unbelievable. >> reporter: chris, that's a third generation californian who has lived here almost 50 years and felt a ton of earthquakes and yesterday was the strongest he has ever felt. this is one of the biggest quakes that california has felt in two decades. this is the biggest quake this area has felt in the last century. >> and you're very calm talking about that rolling feeling you had in l.a. when i lived there, i felt it. i was not quite as calm as you were. bill karins, look, we see all the stuff that came off the shelves, but 6.4 quake, probably really surprising not more injuries or damage. >> when we first heard about it and southern california, 6.4, northridge a 6.6, that killed dozens of people and catastrophic damage in the area. at first we were like this is going to be bad and then the

numbers started coming in and the depth is very important with these earthquakes. the more shallow the more energy is closer to the surface and it translates into more damage. this was at 6.6 miles deep and it was also in a pretty remote area not close to major population centers. to let you know how it relates we give you the numbers and the magnitude from 4 to 5, 6, 7, this is how they rack up. the average over the last ten years for the entire earth, and the big ones, the 8.0, we only average one on the planet every year. when you hear that, a magnitude 8 you run and say this could be horrible. 18 sevens. this was about 6.4. we get about 120 every year. they're common, but, you know, because it happened in southern california, it wasn't over the oceans, that's why we were concerned. this was the shake map too. the shake map was really confined to the ridgecrest area in a very remote rural area here north of los angeles. they did have shaking reported

in las vegas and l.a., but again, nothing that was strong enough to do any damage. mostly because of how deep it was. we call this a moderate depth earthquake. if it was the shallow, under three miles, get any that are like one mile deep that's when you get the threat of big tsunamis and the threat of more extreme damage. under 7 miles we call ate deep one and you rarely will see a lot of significant damage from that. as far as the aftershocks go we've had about 18 magnitude 4.0s or greater. those are strong enough to feel. they've been occurring, you know, roughly at least one an hour and then we had a 5.4 earlier today. one other thing that was interesting, about 30 minutes before the big one, there was a 4.0, they did feel one, the precursor to the big one that was going to happen. some of our california earthquake facts, california, registers about 10,000 earthquakes every year, most of those are so small they're not really felt. as far as the ones you can feel we typically hit about 15 to 20 of those. of course, we've had about 18 of those in the last 24 hours.

a lot of people have said that california has been due for another big one. this wouldn't be considered a big one. this was, you know, kind of a reminder of what could happen. >> and a reminder of the power of mother nature. bill karins, thank you, molly hunter, thanks as well. coming up, iran reportedly open to negotiations with the u.s. there's just one condition. the business of family time... ...and downtime. ...and you time. ...and forgetting what time it is...altogether. modernized comfort inns and suites have been refreshed because when your business is making time, our business is you. get the lowest price guaranteed on all choice hotels when you book direct at choicehotels.com.

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u.s. sanctions may have crippled the economy to the negotiating table. but there is one pretty big condition. bloomberg reporting that the iranian state-run news agency had a sticking point. negotiations will only take place if the supreme leader gives permission. all of this is happening that president rouhani said tehran will enrich uranium to higher levels past what was allowed in the nuclear deal. the former supreme allied commander of nato and chief security analyst. we shouldn't be surprised. but if there was any question before, there shouldn't be any now. that is all up to the supreme leader. >> indeed, it is. that is the bad news, kris.

the bad news is there appear to be a few cracks in the facade of, no, we won't negotiate. we will just blow up tankers until you lift sanctions. there's no military solution here, frankly, for either side. kris, i'm going to use a technical diplomatic term here. we need another war in the middle east after iraq and afghanistan, like we need a hole in the head. so we don't want to get into war here. the iranians don't want to get into war here. you are hopefully starting to get some cracks. the supreme leader has said on several occasions over the last 30 to 60 days, that iran will never sit down with the trump administration. so we may still have an impasse. but at least this is better than a seamless front saying we're not going to negotiate. a little bit of progress. >> and the sanctions do appear to be causing iran to take a bit more aggressive approach as trump ramps up his rhetoric. he tweeted iran better be careful with threats because,

quote, they can come back to bite you like nobody has been bitten before. we have similar rhetoric to north korea, kim jong-un. he has a friendly relationship. in account tpa, he says he loves him. but could you see a similar change with iran? >> i find it very hard to imagine our leader hugging the supreme leader of iran. >> but could you have thought of one of the presidents walking across the dmz and shaking hands? >> i could more so than iran. and i'll tell you the difference, kris. in north korea, at the end of the day, it's not ideological. it's not religious. with iran, there is a significant religious, a very significant philosophical opposition to the west that we have had to deal with. in the era of president trump, nothing is impossible. let's hope diplomacy reigns

here. we have to do it in conjunction with our allies, partners and friends. we have to get the europeans with us, work with the israelis, the arab world. if we do that we can put more weight on our side of the scales. that will encourage further movement on the iranian side. it is about allies, partners and friends. >> yeah. we need to work with them on so many things. the "new york times" is reporting that nato officials are considering upgrading their missile defense system responding to the arms treaty with russia that is set to dissolve this month. and turkey just purchased a new anti aircraft system with russia. do you see russia becoming an increasing threat to the alliance? >> i do. and overall, the alliance sees it that way as well. turkey is really the outlier here. the other 28 nations in the alliance are very much in lock

step on opposition to russia. so it is incumbent on us to reel turkey back in. that's why the administration has taken a hard line and it is prpbt to do so on the s-400 that you allude to. we've got to avoid permitting cracks in the nato alliance. it is still the strongest pillar of stability and security certainly in europe and globally as well. . >> i want to ask you about the celebration we saw on the mall with the president. you were pretty fired up about his decision to bring in tanks and fighter jets. >> yeah. >> obviously there were a lot of questions raised about the historical accuracy of his speech. that aside, it wasn't overtly political. do you see things any differently this morning? >> as i said throughout my commentary on this, it's all going to depend on the tone the president takes. his speech had a lot of inaccuracies, including seizing airports in new york city. and there's been some fabulous commentary on twitter about that, including lost luggage

from mrs. washington. it will right at mt. vernon in 21 to 23 days by horse. i thought the president took the right tone. it wasn't particularly uplifting or exciting speech, but it had the right tone. we should have been less concerned about the politicization of the military and more so about the fracturing of history. overall, tone was right. i feel like he did the right thing to try and keep it from turning into a campaign rally. >> admiral, always good to see you. thank you so much. >> thanks, kris. we're just getting started on a busy friday morning with several developing stories we were following, including joe biden and kamala harris on the same stage hours away. they are set to appear at an education forum in houston. and two other hopefuls. make fitness routine with pure protein. high protein. low sugar. tastes great! high protein. low sugar. so good!

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good morning. i'm chris jansing. star spangled spectacle. any moment now, president trump will leave the white house for his golf club in bedminster, new jersey. a chance for us to ask him some questions. it follows his controversial independence day show of military might at the lincoln moy memorial. and the national education

association. >> and hot coco. she's become somebody you can just seiko co, one name, right? she's at the centre court of wimbledon about an hour from now. frankly, we can't wait. >> defending his record on bussing and desegregation, as well as his somewhat rocky performance on the debate stage last week. the former vp says he wasn't totally prepared for the way his opponent, senator kamala harris, came at him. >> it is so easy to go back and go back 30, 40, 50 years and take the context and take it completely out of context. and, i mean, i -- i get all of this information about other people's past and what they have done and not done. you know, i'm just not going to go there. >> were you prepared for them to come after you? >> i wasn't prepared for the person coming at me.

she knew bo. she knows me. >> biden and harris will come face-to-face at an education forum in houston. let's get to our nbc road warriors out in the field. jogging along with joe biden yesterday. you are back with us tomorrow. mariana, let's talk about where all of this will happen. the focus on education issues is sure to come up, right? >> reporter: absolutely, chris. i've been speaking to educators here. and also for the past couple of months. they tell me the candidate's record is so important. we have seen teacher strike and rally for that in the last year and a half. how the candidates plan on keeping educators in the classroom. many teachers tell me they are having to work two and three jobs just to be able to teach.

and the importance of talking about these issues in a forum like this one cannot be overlooked. the nea, national education association, has more than 3 million members. it is the largest union in the country. 1 in 39 voters lives in an nea household. so these teachers will play a major role in picking the next democratic candidate. and i spoke to one teacher from hawaii who told me the testy exchange you mentioned between kamala harris and vice president joe biden needs to be addressed today. this is what he had to say. >> what have you thought about this ongoing feud at this point between the two of them as a teacher? >> well, it's very important. i come from hawaii where we have a melting pot. we have so many different ethnicities. people coming together. . >> who between the two of them do you think is getting it right, and how does that relate to the children in your school or your school district? >> i'm not going to say who is getting it right. we will see that in events to

come. >> reporter: we will look to see how they answer questions on stage today. >> so many were so frustrated they ran for office, and many of them won. they definitely do have the power of the vote. thank you, mariana. mike, joe biden heading down there. he's toubling down on his record this morning. take a listen. >> is kamala harris, assuming she doesn't win outright, is she still somebody you would consider as a running mate? >> look, one of the things i'm not going to get into, because it got news before, is when i was asked -- and i don't even have the nomination and i'm presuming when i might pick as a vice president. that is easily flipped on me and saying, well, biden is being arrogant. i'll have him as my vice

president. so i'm not going to comment on any individual. >> probably a smart move on his part. what other headlines did you take away from what you heard from joe biden? . >> well, it's interesting. that sound bite you just played reflects one of the interesting dynamics that senator harris was willing to take it to joe biden last week in the debate. just a couple weeks ago, months ago, we were talking about them being a dream ticket. joe biden, you hear him today. people saying maybe the chances of him picking her as a running mate are out given that exchange, declining to enter that speculation at all. there are three impair actives in dealing with this bussing issue. we heard him address that this morning. one is to defend his record. to say, yes, he did oppose some bussing, federally mandated bussing. but he supported it if it was a tactic to address systemic and state and locally mandated segregation of schools.

he said in those cases he would welcome helicopters to integrate schools if necessary. the second thing is to try to push this conversation to the present day. where do the candidates stand on the issue of bussing today? biden says harris -- they think she agrees with him. it is just one tool in a toolbox that the focus should be on improving education across the board. we will hear more from them today in houston. and the third is to say this internal squabbling is counterproducti counterproductive. this circular firing squad is counterproductive. we need to be keeping the focus on donald trump. that's what biden has been trying to do in iowa. >> we hear the same argument every four years. we heard it during the republican primary. look who ended up winning. vaughan, meantime, you have kamala harris disputing what a lot of folks have been saying. her position on bussing mirrors biden. we know they both support this bill in congress that would actually go beyond bussing to solve some of the segregation problems.

reset this for us. are they concerned at all that there's some confusion about her position and what is her position? >> exactly. this entire conversation over the last week is so nuanced and so difficult to pair down into even just a couple-minute conversation. you're dealing with court-mandated bussing, federally mandated bussing and voluntary bussing on the part of locality. there is the two layers. 1970s and 1980s part of the conversation. and as mike was referencing, the conversation going on today. kamala harris just this week said that segregation today may be even worse than it was back when she was in school, elementary school. in the 1990s, the u.s. supreme court began striking down the court-ordered decrees for schools to better desegregate. what you are hearing is kamala harris just yesterday down the way over in council bluffs, iowa

telling reporters that she wants vice president biden to come forward and acknowledge that he was wrong when he fought court-ordered desegregation bussing efforts back in the 197. while joe biden now, as mike was mentioned, he long believed bussing in the cases of essentially state-sponsored segregation should be allowed, at the same time he was far from being a big public advocate in the '70ss and '80ss. kamala harris is saying the conversation today, what should be taken today, is separate from the 1970s and she and her campaign want to focus on the fact that joe biden, who says he wants to move on from the conversation, they want him to first knowledge the positions that he did take in the 1970s. >> to the point of wanting to move on, how much frustration are you sensing within the campaign that this has lasted now more than a week? >> well, there is certainly frustration that this continues to be an issue.

behind the scenes and also playing out on twitter, we have seen biden eager to press this issue of whether, in fact, harris agrees with biden now on what needs to be done. they are trying to play into this idea that this was a cheap shot by senator harris. at some point he sympathized with other senators at the time is one they are hostile to. even if they want to move the conversation to biden engaging in that conversation on social media. >> always great to see you on the road. thank you so much. joining me now is democratic presidential candidate governor jay eupls l jay inslee. neither biden nor harris has opposed federally integrated bussing programs. what is your position on that? >> well, i think we need to take reasonable steps to make sure everybody has an opportunity. diversity is a strength.

i think we need to improve our school proposal that helps increase diversity in our schools and leave these to local districts. i do not support federal obligations to sort of order local districts in this regard. i think there are other ways to do it. >> what is your plan to achieve that if not mandated bussing? >> number one, there are some right now disincentives for school districts to be able to use transportation as a tool. we need to remove those disincentives in law. my plan does that. second, we need to help local districts have resources to do magnus. international back laureate programs. that's where i was in seattle. that kind of program. those things can be effective. i don't think phapbld tore is the way to go. we need to help schools grow.

do things i'm doing, which is give teachers the biggest raise in the united states. so we get good teachers in the classroom. >> i guess you will get applause on that line. i want to play something. i know you were getting wired up. buff i want to play something that sort of reflects the conversation we were having about where this conversation is right now. this is what joe biden said this morning. >> look, we have to move beyond. what are we going to do in neighborhoods that are in fact, substandard schools? what are we going to do for all those kids who have enormous potential that are left behind because no one recognizes it? >> we were talking about this earlier. you had a great jobs report today. we also know there are a large number of americans still living paycheck to paycheck. we know that about a third of americans are making less than $15. so how do we address the underlying issues that are out there that are causing education problems as well as so many

other things? >> well, education is a solution set. i dedicated about 25 years to improving the education of our children from having additional school resources to dealing with school violence. these educators now have students afraid to go to school. donald trump is wrong saying arming school teachers is a solution. but in the broader economic prospect, we need to end the trickle-down economics of donald trump where he wants to give billions of dollars to the top 1%. with he need a middle out proposal like we have in my state where i have helped grow the number one economy in the united states. we have the highest minimum wage, the best paid family hraoefrb leave, the health care option. these are the things that build middleclass. half of america has not had a pay raise in 20 years. it is time to have a middle out

strategy rather than one that is trickle down like donald trump is trying to give us. >> to continue to get your eyes out there, you're going to have to increase in the polls. you're going to have to have more money. we know that as these debates go on, it gets harder and harder to qualify. can you tell us how much money your campaign raised in the second quarter, which several of the candidates have already released. >> it is several million. i don't have the exact number. we have had -- look, i'm -- >> you don't have the exact number of how much money you raised in the quarter, governor? >> it is several million dollars. i do not have the exact number. i will have it in a couple days when we do the totals. i'm sort of the new kid on the block. i have started where bill clinton and jimmy carter started at 1%. and we're building. the message i've had of climate change, i should tell defeat ts

has been resonate. we have had an uptick since the debate. we have to fulfill our moral obligation to defeat the climate crisis. my plan has been the gold standard of plans to do that. i'm proud of that. we have to make this the top priority of the united states. i'm committed to that. >> to do this again, we know it is money and polls. this morning the "washington post" asks this question. when do struggling 2020 candidates have to bail to run for another office? if your campaign is continuing to not be able to bring inasmuch money, do you have a plan b? >> well, plan a is the plan, which is to be the next president of the united states. i'm committed to that as a mission rather than some sort of job ambition. look, i made a decision. i've been a successful governor

and successful state. i love being governor of washington. but i made a decision a few months ago. that is i want my last days on earth to be able to look at my three grand children in the eye and tell them i did everything humanly possible to save them from the climate crisis. and serving as president would be in that role. we can build a clean energy future. we can put millions of people to work. but we need to know that donald trump is wrong. wind turbines do not cause cancer. they cause jobs. and my economic job message i believe is a winning message to defeat donald trump, to make him the blip in history he deserves. i am intent on doing that. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. president trump about to leave the white house for his weekend retreat in new jersey. we are waiting to hear what he is going to say about the

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welcome back. any minute now the president and first lady are going to be leaving on the other side of the white house from the south lawn heading to president trump's golf club in bedminster, new jersey for the holiday weekend after his july fourth salute to america celebration in d.c.

now, at that gathering, president trump largely avoided politics. he spoke for 45 minutes to a rain-soaked crowd on the national mall. >> we come together as one nation with this very special salute to america. we celebrate our history, our people, and the heroes who proudly defend our flag. the brave men and women of the united states military. >> joining me is phpz cthanatas seder, and reporter for axeeo. safe to say, natasha, president trump defied critics by stick to go script and avoiding politics. so was that much ado about nothing? >> i mean, the whole event was political. the rnc had a special vip area in front of trump that was

completely closed off to all the spectators who had come to see the president and witness this fourth of july event. so i think the fact that he may have just stayed on script was not exactly a great speech. it was like a little history lesson that lasted waive longer than it probably should have. but the fact that he didn't go off on any wild tangents shouldn't take away the fact that this was a i highly politicized, highly militarized fourth of july event. you know, thousands of spectators that were there to see the tanks and, you know, all the other kind of equipment that the administration put up there in a show of american military force, it was kind of like a blip in the background. they couldn't even get close to it. the expectations for this were extremely high i think for people who supported the president. but ultimately this was really just another campaign event. >> yeah. actually there were some reports that the folks who were there who were presidential supporters

were disappointed he did stick to script. if it was a history lesson, it wasn't necessarily a good one. there were a lot of historians pointed out on twitter. a number of historical inaccuracies, including this one. >> the continental army suffered a bitter winter of valley forge. our army manned it, it took over the airports. it did everything it had to do. and at under the rocket's red fla glare it had nothing but victory. >> i'm not sure what the airport thing was. just earlier in the speech he said that the wright brothers flew the first flight in 1903. so it wasn't in the 1700s or 1800s. it sparked a hashtag. how does that happen? how do you get so many historical inaccuracies that are

so easily google-able? >> i don't know. i really don't know. only the best people he's getting for his speech writing. i don't know. maybe there was a sense that the administration was responding to critics trying to sort of shift at the last minute. it did have a quality the speech may have been written -- >> in a minute? . >> in a scramble, i don't know how you assume there were airports in the 1700s or the 1800s for that matter. >> the war of 1812 maybe? >> that's the only thing i can imagine. they wrote the speech in a hurry. >> one likened to an angry grandpa reading a fifth grader's book report on american military history. do we have any clues where the failure was on the administration's part? >> the president probably miss

read part of the speech on the teleprompt teleprompter. instead of going back and correcting himself, he moves on and acts like he never made the meigs take mistake to begin with. this administration tends to be slop where when it comes to speech writing and public statements made by the president, certainly released to the press, anyway. the only thing i can think of is he was having trouble at that moment reading the teleprompter. as he usually does, he just plowed right through it. >> it was raining pretty hard. maybe that was part of it. all of this may go away in the minds of voters, deion, when they talk about the jobs report which was extremely strong today. u.s. economy adding 224,000 jobs. the unemployment rate at 3.7%. what do you make of the numbers? >> i think you talked earlier on the show. the market's response has been down. the dow is down 100 points. that's because right now we're

in a place where bad news is good news and good news is bad news. i think what the market is thinking is this takes the chance of a fed raeut cut, which is the market is priced in. down a little bit. it isn't expecting no rate cut. they are saying the odds for cutting 50 basis points or essentially two cuts has been lower. why the market wants the rate cuts, it doesn't really make a big difference, right? it's just the feds saying we have your back. we will do whatever it takes to juice the economy. and the market wants that. the numbers are good but part of a declining trend. >> let me ask you about that. there was a lot of concern about the last jobs report. we thought it was down 75,000. they revised it downward even worse to 72,000. and the question that was asked, is this a blip or a larger indication that maybe the economy is not quite as strong ar is a little bit downward? do you see any correction here? how do you view the two reports when you look at them side by side?

. >> again, you did get that revision lower in may. but june is historically the strongest month. it has been for the past few years the strongest month. we're only getting 224 now jobs instead of 300,000. that gives you a little bit of pause. again, you can't take anything away from the supporreport. we saw wage, hourly earnings continue to pick up. 224,000 jobs. the unemployment rate going up was as a result of more people entering the labor force, which is a good thing. so you have a number of good things here in this report. it is an overall positive report. but when you look at the trend, the trend was going this way before. it is starting to level off a bit. and the labor force has been the rock of this economy. a lot of things are going wrong. service sectors slowing down. >> china trade responsible for that. . >> exactly. >> there's a lot of news for the day after the fourth of july. not the least of which at 2:00

there is a deadline for the justice department to go back and say this is how we plan to argue to put that citizenship question back in the 2020 census? the question straight forward. are you a citizen? the supreme court, it was not holding any water whatsoever. >> my sense is chief justice roberts laid out a pathway for the commerce department to do that. it is sort of extraordinary because it's quite clear they were lying to the court, and the court didn't seem to hold them terribly responsible for that. i think it's possible. and i think it would be sort of astonishing if the court allowed for it. >> sam, deanne, natasha, great for all of you to talk to us. thanks so much. coming up, primary play.

senator elizabeth warren makes a move to win over voters.

as joe biden and kamala

harris continue to trade barbs over the subject of desegregation and school bussing, another candidate is aggressively working to win over african-american voters. according to sources who spoke with politico, elizabeth warren has been reaching out to grassroots leaders and community activists to convince them she would be their strongest advocate in the would you say. she also announced new polls planning at boosting opportunities for black women. but the latest polls she has a long road ahead to win over that key voting bloc. chris wilson, former director for ted cruz's 2016 campaign, adviser to paul ryan and msnbc contributor maria teresa kumar. essence magazine released an op-ed and promises a new commitment to black women. on day one of the warren administration, i will take a

set of executive actions to boost wages for women of color and open new pathways to the leadership positions they deserve. i'll start by putting tough new rules on companies that can track with the government who collectively employ a quarter of the workforce. >> i think she is doing a lot more than writing an op-ed. she is going to the festival. some has been woven into her speech since she announced. these are issues, ideas and policy proposals that would directly impact african-americans. and she says it not just in front of black audiences but white audiences. she has a long way to go. in part because she is not as well-known as kamala harris or biden or bernie sanders. i was at a black economic alliance forum, elizabeth warren

was down there, too, along with a number of other candidates. and the buzz coming out was around her and what she had to say because of her specify fistity on issues. look, she has a long way to go. and i thought she had a strong debate. she has to lean into the policy proposals. that is where she will ultimately close the gap. >> no coincidence she is a woman looking at a proposal for women with that she is hoping will help her gain traction. maybe her strong debate performance got buried a little bit because the second night became so volatile. what do you make right now, maria? >> what she has been able to do is in that article. she has been working in these communities behind the scenes, making the phone calls, laying the groundwork. i have seen that have very little other political candidates in a way that is smart. she's not waiting to build these

alliances with leadership whether it's the african-american community, latino community or the asian community until they come out to vote. she has been building the relationships for the last 18, 24 months as far as i'm aware. that allows her to get credibility with the leadership. and actually speaks to the community. when she was here in texas in april, she basically brought down the house when she delivered her conversation to she the people. it was a forum of multikul customeral women, principally led by african-american women. she have nail policies that people really care about. yes, the election is new, still young. i keep saying the campaign trail, we might as well be talking dog years. but elizabeth warren, she is doing very well behind the scenes and in front of the

scenes as well. >> you have joe biden who did this extensive interview on cnn. when he wasn't on defense about his bussing comments he was fielding questions on immigration. he favors some form of health care for undocumented migrants. he said people with are coming here because they're desperate. here's his fix. >> i put a $700 million program. we will make a deal with you. you do the following things to make your country better and we will help you do that. >> chris, we heard a similar plan from julian castro. some republicans think it gives fodder.

>> he is trying to separate himself from the rest of the field. the challenge i think it is creating for him, it puts him in a greater position of vulnerabili vulnerability. that's why going back to elizabeth warren. she is smart to be to go what she is doing right now. even though he accumulated the around american leadership endorsements, she is making herself a second or third choice. if biden falters and they start looking for someone else, warren will be right there right behind kamala harris. her criminal justice challenges have not been litigated yet. it is putting her in position i think to be right where she could easily roll into the states where the african-american vote will be so

important >> brendan, one area where all democrats agree, they are opposed to what this administration is doing to add the citizenship question to the census that i was just talking about a little while ago. and in the wake of the new supreme court ruling, the one now that said if you have a different plan, let us see it by today at 2:00. look at this. it's the local legislative races that could reshape politics for 10 years to come. the supreme court won't way in on gerrymandering. the power of each state will be able to redraw once in a decade map. starting campaigns early, gnawing on doors, rallying donors with the pitch that a tiny statehouse election in suburban dallas or coastal virginia could have national reverberations. for a lot of people this question is central to where we are going the next 10 years.

where do you see it and how important is what happens maybe just between now and 2:00 this afternoon when the trump administration has to come up with an argument? >> had yeah. this is one of those things that i don't think most people appreciate how big an influence it can have. the way the districts are drawn, and personally having been in the house, i have seen how partisan gerrymandering can make the house. i have my own concerns about gerrymandering. this census will set out how many seats each state gets for the next 10 years. and the state houses that are able to draw the districts will have a big influence on who has the upper hand in controlling the majority, who, you know, how partisan these districts are going to be. that shames the entire political discussion we're having now. >> given the stakes, do you think we will see something by 2:00, or is it going to be an executive order attempt by the president? >> i'm sure it will be both. it is hard to keep up with the white house and how they will go

about everything. i'm sure they're throwing everything against the wall. i don't think they have thr ability together enough to do it. either way, this is a critically important census. it is important that we get a good count. i wonder whether they will have ar act together by 2:00. >> maria, let me give you the last word. what is your sense, really quickly? >> the president will tweet something. the supreme court already ruled they cannot have the citizenship question. >> but they also said you can come back and make another argument. >> right. but we actually have the receipts, his tweets saying he wanted to make sure undocumented people do not get included. by that dotted line, we have receipts where his own gop strategists saying they want to add to ensure they are able to draw republican white

nonhispanic districts. republican white nondishandic districts. in order to come in and say something that the citizenship question is based on race will be difficult at this point especially when the president has tweeted about the fact that he doesn't want to include illegals -- undocumented people in the census. >> it will be difficult for him to go around that. >> maria, brendan, chris, doug, good to see all of you. thank you so much. >> after getting locked out of the nbc debate, steve bullock is here to talk about his chances of getting on the stage for the second debate. and teenage tennis sensation wimbledon run continuing playing on centre court an hour from now. we'll go there live. om now. we'll go there live. to a single defining moment...

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one presidential candidate you did not get to see on the nbc news debate stage last month could be on track to earn a seat for round 2. governor steve bullock of montana joins me now from high wagt that, iowa. we should let people know who don't know, you entered the race late in may. we saw how that first debate shuffled the deck. it really gave people good opportunities. probably pushed people down to the lower tier. is this a do or die moment for you, get in or get out?

>> no. chris, first, thanks for having me. five polls have me in. i got into this six weeks ago because i had a job to do. i was governor of a state. i had to save health care tore 100,000 montanans. it was the easiest decision for me to make to get my job done. we have 215 days before the first voters even expresses their preference. a lot of time to go through this. here i am in iowa. >> but realistically, governor, and with all due respect, you had 18 million people watching a debate. it was another 9 million online. there's no other forum to get that exposure. are you somehow suggesting you could do it if you don't make the debate?

>> i was disappointed that i wasn't on the first stage. i had town halls, television town halls. even six weeks into the race, five different polls have we qualifying for the detroit stage. having that voice, someone who won in a trump state, someone who has been able to get things done. >> you have raeugsed money, $2 million in the half of the second quarter. that is not shabby for a late comer. but pete buttigieg, $25 million. sanders, 18 million. how do you compete against that kind of money? >> i was pleased to have donors in every state of the country, raise $2 million in that

compressed time. we have 24 folks on the ground talking to voters each and every day. so pleased with building the platform we're building off of. it is not about who raises the most money. it is ultimately can you get your message out to folks? and i think we're off to a real good start. >> we talked about the debate a lot. you're in high wagt that, iowa. you got an endorse. from a well-known activist, jan bower. you have held a couple debates. how does iowa fit into your strategy and overall how are you looking at this price? >> iowa has been traditionally that great sorting hat which can take a big field and narrow it down. long term attorney general miller endorsed right away. jan bower, who even elizabeth warren said no one knows iowa

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>> reporter: oh, chris, absolutely surreal in the has been so much fun to watch. i spent a little more than an hour last night with cory and kandi gave you and they believe in their little girl. that came across so very clearly. they say certainly this is a surreal experience and while they're surprised that she made it to wimbledon this early in her career and life, they say they're not surprised to see her here because she puts in the time. they say she spends 12 to 16 hours on the court practicing every single week, that she's absolutely dedicated. they say they're confident in what she does. now, let me share a little bit from with you from that interview. a touching moment. i asked them what was the first thing that she said to her when she walked off the court on monday after having defeated venus williams. take a look. >> we gave her a hug. and she said, mom, really? did you think could win? come on, tell me. i was like, yeah, i really thought you could win. >> she looked at me and said i know you thought i could win. she doesn't ask me.

i said you can beat anybody. >> reporter: could you see that confidence that her parents have radiating from her. but she have done a good job. they talk about technique on the court, but they say it's just as important to have a strong mental attitude while they're out there playing. one funny thing to tell you, they say they can tell how her tournament's going based on her appetite. they say if she's eating a lot in the days of the tournament, then she's feeling good, her nerves haven't gotten to her yet so it's going to be a good run. i said how was she eating this week? they said she's eating a lot. that might not bode too well for the competition. >> they're saying there's a mixed doubles dream team this year. who is serena williams teaming up with? >> reporter: andy murray, the british tennis player, they're teaming up for mixed doubld doubles this year. it's going to be something amazing to watch because they're fantastic tennis players in their own right. but they're both coming off of injuries. andy had that hip surgery earlier this year. serena has been having knee

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just a few minutes we're going to take you to washington. the president is heading out of town, but not before stopping to talk to reporters on his way out. that back and forth is still ongoing. we'll bring it to you as soon as we get it if the he's talking about the census and possibility of taking executive action on immigration. and his response to this interview. former vice president joe bind taking a break from the campaign trail. and kamala harris taking him to task. >> were you prepared for people to come after you? >> i was prepared for them to come after me the way she came after me. >> we start this morning with former vice president joe biden on the defense saying he was not prepared for that confrontation on the debate stage by senator kamala harris claiming his decades' old position against federally mandated busing was taken out of context. >> it's so easy to go back and go back 30, 40, 50 years and

take the context and take it completely out of context. i mean, you know, i get all this information about other people's past and what they've done and not done. and, you know, i'm just not going to go there. >> were you prepared for them to come after you? >> i was prepared for them to come after me, but i wasn't prepared for the way she came after me. she knew beau, she knows me. >> on set with me here in new york is republican strategist and we are joined by democratic strategist adrienne elrod, director the strategic communications for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. she's with us today from washington, d.c. mike, let me start with you. so much of this hinges upon the former advice president's history, his personal his, it and political history as well. what we herd that that excerpt a few moments ago was him talking about that, his eagerness to look forward and not back. what we've seen over the last few days is the electorate are not so willing to look ahead and not back.

>> reporter: that's right, david. i mean, this two-day stwoing iowa that swing to iowa that will end today, we were in pennsylvania with him on that parade and he talked about the president doesn't understand america's values and what made him great. last night we saw the vice president enjoying a cubs game, he interacted with beto o'rourke there. the cubs rallied in the bottom of the ninth to win that game before the fireworks. this was supposed to be a feel good americana type of trip. but he's playing defense about that exchange last week. he talked about it with reporters yesterday along the parade route. we heard him talk about it with cnn. let's listen to that. >> you were not in favor of bussing, it was a different time and different applications why not just own it and say was against it but now i've changed? >> i was in every pfaff busing

that was the -- busing. how do you equalize education never area? i put forward the most aggressive plan do that and i've been pushing it for a long time. >> reporter: the frustration of biden and his campaign agents that this is very much a complex nuance issue that's relying on decades' old votes that they think really voters are not paying attention to. you heard the vice president say again this morning kamala harris knows me and voters know me. that's the gamble for the biden campaign is that the voters who are listening to this back and forth really think this is an internal warfare that doesn't serve their long term goal of defeating donald trump. that's what we heard the advice say. his focus as it relates to pussing is on education. he wants to focus on improving busing. he'll talk more about that when he gets to houston today for a national education association conference. >> let me pick it up from there. the way the vice president is approaching this, very narrow read of that question. as we saw in that debate the senator tried to expand it and

say this is an issue of states' rights, local rights, it's much bigger than that. how is that working for him making it narrowly focused on education? >> this whole thing is not working for the president and one of the things we saw in the debate and he admitted to in this interview he wasn't prepared for the attack. he also simply was not fully prepared it seems like. and one of the first things you tell -- i would tell a client, for example, as a strategist is you don't have to ants question that's asked. put forward your message and what you want to talk about. he could have addressed it, i think it's been said over and over again, kept it short, this was my vote, that was the time, this is what i want to do for education today and this is how we can all benefit. and drop it. but, he's someone who hasn't been challenged in a very long time by anybody. so i think that's -- that's what he's facing now as he goes forward. he's not used to the pushback. >> aid adrienne, there was a question about now he comported

himself in that debate. as senator kamala harris targeted this and the way he responded or didn't to that. let's listen to that exchange between the vice president and chris cuomo. >> why didn't you fight it like this in the debate? >> 30 seconds? hey. >> what happens most in a debate, people blow their time cube. you're the only person on the debate stage say i'm out of time. >> we never have a place where you had 30 seconds? do you think the american people looked at that debate, take me out of it, i like the way that's being conducted? they're showing themselves to be doing really well. come on, man. >> critique the former and the debate itself with the exchange had he with kamala harris. >> this is the problem with having 20 plus candidates in the presidential primary right now is because we simply cannot have a real constructive debate about the issues when you've got ten people on each -- on stage, two

separate nights in a row, which is why i think it's important, number one, that the dnc mandate these new thresholds in order to create a smaller field of candidates so that we can have a real constructive debate. i do agree with the vice president on that issue. but to the important, look, he's a little rusty. the debate process the way it is now, you've got basically 30 seconds to respond, 30 seconds to rebut. and that will change as we go forward, but you've got to kind of get used to the rules in terms they're laid out now. and that's why i think, by the way, the vice president was so smart and his team was so smart to put him in an interview where he could talk freely, where you can certainly make your point in more that 30 seconds and where he's sitting down with a host that he's had a long-standing relationship with on a different network and really making his case here. he was able to in the last 24 hours to reclaim the narrative and push back on the fact that, you know, kamala's been a little wishy washy on her terms on busing since she made that attack on the debate stage.

i think they're happy because they were able to reclaim the narrative, he was able to clarify his position on this issue. but to the point that susan said going forward there are is the process that we have in place in the democratic party and you've got to either conform to it and figure out how to get your message across in that way, or you've got to constantly play cleanup and defense. i'm hoping that joe biden going to this next debate will be in a stronger position. >> susan brings up this fuzziness. let's play a little tape of lily adams, the communications director for senator kamala harris talking about the issue itself, the divide between the vice president and the senator. >> i can't speak to why he was or wasn't prepared, that's for him and his team to decide and to explain. about what she was pointing out was a very real disagreement on the record in the is what a presidential debate is. it's to decide who has the record, who has the ideas, who has the vision to lead the party against this -- against donald trump. >> susan, she's talking about a very real disagreement in these

intervening days since that debate, how real is the disagreement sbr it's n disagreement? >> it's not that real as we learned yesterday -- i guess it's only friday, holiday weekend, that senator harris believes that busing should be used as a tool. she said it's one of the options that we had and we should take advantage of every option available in our education system. okay. but really for both them it's time for them to stop talking about it. talk about your current education plan, what you want to do going forward. if bussing is an issue, go forward with that. i haven't heard them mention many debates in the last couple dozen years. >> yeah. >> but, okay, have at it. but just keep moving forward. because senator harris is about to lose some of the ground she had because adrienne was right. joe biden did do a good job now of pushing back on the issue and saying, hey, why'd you come after me if had is where you stand? >> last question, we have comments from the president as

he's leaving him home in bedminster. former vice president joe bind talked about how he sees his role in the part broadly during that interview with chris cuomo as well. a lot of talk about the party moving left and the need for vice president joe bide to vice president joe bide tone move there. your reaction to that? >> debate, come here, man. you know me too well. i mean, the idea that i'd be intimidated by donald trump, he's the bully that i knew my whole life. he's the bully i used to make fun of when i was a kid stuttered and i smacked him in the mouth. >> my apologies there playing that bite of joe biden talking about how he would approach the debate with the president. your reaction to that and how he sees himself in his role in the party going forward here. >> those are sort of one in the same in terms of how the vice president has framed his campaign argument which is certainly we all have -- he'll put his progressive credentials as he says up against anyone in

the party. he calls himself an obama/biden democrat. he thinks he can still work across the aisle to get things done but not compromise on his core principles. but the larger argument is this is an urgent situation for the country. we need to defeat donald trump. that's part of why these exchanges with kamala harris are so difficult because when democrats do agree for the most part on some of the larger substantive policy issues, it makes these differences more personal. so he really wants to keep democrats focused not on the circular firing squad, but on the urgency of beating trump. as you heard him say there, he thinks he's the best candidate to do that. >> he has been hustling along with the vice president over through parades over the course of the holiday. breaking news on wall street, the dow is down about 170 points despite a strong job report just out this morning. i want to get a sense of what's going on from dominic chu along with neil irwin. dom, let's start with these

numbers. expectations were 160, 170,000 jobs created in the month of june, well above that with the number we got this morning from the department of labor. >> that's right. america added 224,000 jobs for the month of june, way more than that 165,000 consensus that they were looking for. the unemployment rose to 3.7% but that's because more people decided to enter the workforce and actively seek a job. that means it counts towards those unemployment numbers. and wages are still growing over the same month period and the same time last year but at a slower pace than economists were looking for. the job gains were pretty broad based. you had the leaders in hiring coming from places like professional and business services, also healthcare, transportation and logistics, also construction. we should point out that job gains in both april and may that were revised lower by a combined 11,000 jobs over the course of those two months. but this is generally being viewed as a good report and

therein lies the rub. better than expected jobs report really means the economy is doing better than some had thought, which means there's less pressure for the federal reserve to lower interest rates in an effort to boost the economy. and, david, markets have been looking and rallying in part because there was an expectation the fed might try to loosen policy and make money nor available and cheap are for people to borrow. that's why you're seeing the markets down the way they're todd. >> today. >> going into this report there was a report we'd see manufacturing take a hit in light of the president's trade policies. we didn't see that in the numbers we got today, did we? >> that's right. the manufacturing employers added 17,000 jobs, that's a lot better than the last couple of months. the overall what this report did is it made us -- gave us some confidence that some of these pessimistic signs we've seen the last few weeks are maybe not translating into a worse outcome in the labor market. we've seen surveys from industrial companies, movement in financial markets that are sending warning signs about the future. so far so good for the american

worker, though. >> and, neil, the fed which dom just mentioned a moment ago, scheduled to meet on the 30th and 31st of this month, how does this change their calculus, the governors that sit around that table in washington, d.c., what do they take away from this report? >> i think there's still a good chance that they'll cut interest rates as soon as a few weeks from now, as you say. i think the sque how far do they cut? do we just do a quarter point and call it a day or do they go further later in the year? i think this increases the odds that we are in a more sound, stable economy. i think it might only have to go once. fundamentally they've not used the labor market as the justification for this rate cut. they've been mentioning things on the industrial side, they've been mentioning things on the trade wars. things in the bond market. so this really shouldn't change their plan that much, but it could change how many times they cut rates this year. >> neil irwin of the "new york times" joining me from washington, d.c. dominic chu of cnbc joining me as well. have a good weekend. coming up, community's on edge. more aftershocks after yesterday

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welcome back. at this hour the president of the united states heading to bedminster, new jersey, to spend the the rest of the holiday

weekend. he just spoke to reporters outside the white house. kelly o'donnell was there and we're going to play that tape of the president in just a home. kelly, give us a quick synopsis of what the president had to say on his way out. >> reporter: it was a cooker on a range of subjects. he's trying to make a decision about the citizenship question for the census. he praised the job numbers. he took a victory lap on last night's event, talked about the experience of military recruit am. spent some time with supporters as well. lots of questions here, about 20 minutes in length. >> the president of the united states speaking to reporters outside the white house. >> we're going to have a lot of -- for our country. we're going to have a lot of people being recruited i think based on that. we're going to have a lot of -- a lot of people joining our military and we really needed that. our job numbers are so good that the military has a hard time getting people. and i think really that you're going to see a big spike.

i've already heard it. a lot of people calling in. no place like our military. i think we showed that last night. we had great numbers this morning. i think it was 224,000 jobs. those were really unexpectedly good. and our country continues to do really well. really, really well. so we're very happy about it. i think we're going to -- we're going to be breaking records. if we had a fed that would lower interest rates, we'd be like a rocket ship. but we're paying a lot of interest and it's unnecessary. but we don't have a fed that knows what they're doing so it's one of those little things. but if we had a fed that would lower rates, you would have a rocket ship. when obama, president obama was here, he paid close to zero interest rates. i'm paying real interest and yet our economy is much better on than it's ever been. from election day, we're over 50% increase. and we've made trillions and trillions of dollars, with a

"t," trillions. so we're doing very well. but last night was spectacular. yes. >> mr. president, can you [ inaudible ] are you willing to bring democrats back to the table to talk about infrastructure and [ inaudible ]. >> yeah. i would love rural broadband. we're work on it wind love to have the democrats come back and talk about infrastructure. talk about drug pricing. we're going to be announcing something very shortly, a favored nation's clause. as you know, for years and years other nations paid less for drugs than we do. sometimes by 60%, 70%. we're going to be and we're working on it right now. we're working on a favored nations clause where we pay whatever the lowest nation's price is. why should other nations like canada, but why should other nations pay much less than us? they've taken advantage of this system for a long time, pharma,

so we're working on right now a favored nations clause so that whatever the lowest nation is anywhere in the world or company, but the lowest nation or company, then what happens is we will pay that amount. and that's being worked on right now. we're going to do it in the form of an executive order. >> are you going to do an executive order on the census? >> we're thinking about doing that. it's one of the ways question do it. we have four or five ways we can do it. we're doing well on the census. [ inaudible question ] >> no, he made a statement. he wrote something out, the judge didn't like it. i have a lot of respect for justice roberts, but he didn't like it. but he did say come back. essentially he said come back. that's what he was saying. so we'll see what happens. we can also add an addition on so we can start the printing now and maybe do an addendum after we get a positive decision.

so we're working on a lot of things, including an executive order. >> joe biden called you a bully in that interview last night what do you think of that? >> i don't think i'm a bully at all, i just don't like being taken advantage of by other countries, by pharmaceutical companies, by all of the people that have taken advantage of this country. you look at what joe bind has done with china. we've lost our shirts with china and now china's dying to make a deal. so -- and we're taking, by the way, billions and billions of dollars in tariffs are coming in. and china's paying for it, not our people. so if you look at what we've done and if you look at what we've straightened out, i call it the obama/biden mess. we're straightening it out, whether it's north korea, you could end up in a war with north korea as sure as you're standing there. and now the relationship is a good relationship. we'll see what happens. but as sure as you're there, you're going to end up in a war

with north korea. [ inaudible question ] >> well, i don't call them raids. i say they came in illegally and we're bringing them out legally. these are people where we have the papers, we've gone through the court system, they'll be starting fairly soon. but i don't call them raids. we're removing people that have come in all of these people over the years that have come in illegally, we are removing them and bringing them back to their country. >> [ inaudible ] are you sending me adversaries any messages with the military celebration yesterday? >> i don't think of it in terms of that, we're just celebrating our country. but there's nobody stronger. nobody that has a military anywhere close to ours. as you know we spent 7-billion dollars. when i took over the military, it was absolutely depleted. we had old planes, we had old jets. we had bad -- i mean just stuff

that was tired. now we have the finest jets in the world, the f-35, the f-18s. the new ones. we have military equipment, the likes of which we've never had. building submarines, building aircraft carriers. all made in the usa. so it's a double. it's all made now, i'm all about jobs. we have great job numbers today. but when it comes to the military, it's not about jobs. we have to have the greatest in the world. there's nobody that comes close and our military now is just about the top, just about the best it's ever been. there's nobody that comes close to the power we have in our military. what we have and, in fact, if you look, our nuclear now is in great shape. we've renovated, we're buying some new, we've fixed. never want to used it. we never want to use it. but we have to be in a position that we have to be in a position. but our nuclear is in great shape. our military now is in great

shape. >> can you make -- >> mr. president. [ inaudible question ] >> well, i can just tell you those people that you see, a lot of people in front of the white house, every one of them loved it. i would actually say, and i want to sort of give a little appreciation. the media generally speaking loved it, they loved the evening. we had a lot of rain. i stood in the rain, the teleprompter went out so i -- >> [ inaudible ] your comment -- >> yeah, the teleprompter went out, it went kaput. so i could have said -- and actually right in the middle of sentence it went out. that's not a good feeling when you're standing in front of millions and millions of people on television and i don't know what the final count was, but that went all the way back to the washington monument and i guess the rain knocked out the teleprompter. so, but, no, it's not that. i knew the speech very well so i was able to do it without a teleprompter. but the teleprompter did go out.

and it was actually hard to look at anyway because it was rain all over it. but despite the rain, that was just a fantastic evening. i think people really had it and i think a lot of people, you know, it was really a recruitment situation. a lot of people are going to be joining our army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard. >> do you think [ inaudible ]? >> well, she campaigned on i'm going to get trump, i'm going to get trump. she never knew me, i never met her, i don't know who she is. but her whole campaign was that -- and that's illegal, you're not allowed to do that. she knew nothing about me. she campaigned i'm going to get trump. we have 100 clips and so do you, and you can't do that. our system isn't about that. our system isn't about let's see if we can find something. you can't do that. but her whole campaign was i'm going to get trump. i'm going to get him. can't do that. >> mr. president [ inaudible ].

>> it would have to be a long time. you know what? very interesting. after 500 -- 2,500 subpoenas, every single person i know practically was called in one form or another. nothing. and i'll tell you what. even with you people, you're honest people, none of you could have with stood that. they would have found something. if there was a comma put in the wrong place, if there was a period in the wrong location, they would have grabbed it. no collusion, no obstruction. after that it's almost -- it's amazing. you know what it shows? it shows i'm a very honest guy. >> mr. president [ multiple people talking ]. >> so china, so we'll see what happens. they're talking to us, they want to make a deal. but we had a deal and they broke it. they broke the deal. they shouldn't have broken it. i think if had he hthey had it

again, we have a lot more to put on if we want. china broke a deal, we're talking to them. we'll see what happens. [ inaudible question ] >> we'll see what happens with iran. iran has to be very, very careful. say it. >> why did the vice president cancel his trip the other day to new hampshire. >> you'll know in about two weeks. >> what was it? >> there was a very interesting problem that they had in new hampshire that i can't tell you about. but had nothing to do with white house. there was a problem up there and i won't go into what the problem was but you'll see in about a week or two. >> mr. president. >> [ inaudible ] on the southern border? >> the southern border is being policed very well by mexico. mexico is doing far more than the democrats. we all know it. because of tariffs, but they've been gruteat.

they have 6,000 people, they have many now on the south korean border, their southern border. on our southern border they're going to have anywhere between 16,000 and 21,000 troops. it's had a big effect. you've only been there nor about a week where they actually had the troops, but it's had a tremendous effect, tremendous impact. you'll see the numbers starting to come in very well. guatemala is going to be signing an agreement. we're talking to mexico. but mexico's really doing a good job, i have to say. very big. but here's the thing, when people come in illegally, and then it's crowded -- and i've seen some of those places, and they are run beautifully. they're clean, they're good, they do a great job. they do a great job. they're crowded because the democrats will not give us any relief from these loopholes. we have loopholes that are so bad, we have asylum that's so

bad. so these places are -- many of them, not all of them, but many of them, they're incredible. they're really well run. i'll tell you what. and i said it yesterday. border patrol did not train to be doctors and nurses and janitors. that's not what they trained to be. they trained to be border patrol. and that's what they're doing. and they're doing a phenomenal job. because of the country, because we're doing so well as a country, we never -- we've never done this well. two days ago we hit the highest stock market number we've ever had in the history of our country. our country's doing great. unemployment's very low. we just came out with 224,000 new jobs. the numbers are unbelievable. and that's bringing people up like they've never come up. border patrol and i.c.e. have done a great job. now, people are being removed from the country, we're removing them. we're starting with the ms-13. we've taken out thousands of

ms-13 and gangs. but we've never had an onslaught. and the reason they came up -- and they come up is because the country's doing well. they want jobs. >> there's a report that says those facilities are overcrowded, they're dirty, it's a widespread problem. what do you mean -- >> i think they do a great job with those facilities. but you know how it could be taken care snf number one tell them not to come because it's illegal. very unfair to people that have been waiting on line for seven or eight years and they're about to be admitted and they've studied and they know the country and the history and everything. and then a person comes in, walks in and all of a sudden they become a citizen or they're allowed to stay? so thousands and thousands of people will be legally removed from the country and that process has started. and we've actually been doing that for a long time.

he [ inaudible question ] >> well that i don't know because i don't run it. but i would say this. probably every club in the united states has that because it seems to be from what i understand, a way that people do business. but we've ended whatever they did, we have a very strict rule. and those rules are very strict. but it seems that every club practically in the united states, that's the way they did business. >> -- detain migrants and member of congress [ inaudible ] on the facebook page? >> i haven't seen it but i think the border patrol has been treated very, very badly by certain members of congress. for the most part they're very respected by congress. but certain members of congress say very bad things and lie and acc s exaggerate and border patrol people are tough people and they're not happy about it. >> [ inaudible ] today on the

citizenship question, do you have an answer today? >> i just spoke with the attorney general. we have a number of different avenues, we could use all of them or one. we're doing very well on that issue. we're spending 15 to $20 billion on a census. we're doing everything. we're finding out everything about everybody. think of it, 15 to $20 billion and you're not allowed to ask them are you a citizen? by the way, if you look at the history of our country, it's almost always been asked. so we're fighting very hard against the system that's a very difficult system, but we'll make a decision. the attorney general is working on that right now. >> what's the reason, mr. president, for trying to get a citizenship question on there? >> you need it for many reasons. >> what's the reason? >> you immediate it for congress, for districting. you need it for appropriations, where are the funds going? how many people are there? are they citizens? are they not citizens? you need it for many reasons.

>> mr. president [ inaudible ]? >> what? >> [ inaudible question ] >> i thought ivanka was amazing at the g-20. and i tell you the foreign leader loved her and they just think she's great. she's very smart and she's done a great job. she sacrificed a lot. ivanka and jared work very hard and they sacrifice a lot doing this. but they want to do it. ivanka has worked on almost 10 million jobs training and going to companies and getting them to hire people. but the people, the foreign leaders really like her a lot. >> are you grooming her for office? >> as a parent, doesn't that make you want to do something about it? >> you know president obama had separation. president obama in 2014 built the cells that you always show on television. they were built by president obama. but had he separation.

the one thing he didn't have is a good economy. he didn't have the onslaught that we're having. we have a tremendous onslauft people. who can blame them? they want to get in and take advantage of the economy. but they have to come in legally to america. >> what can you do? >> think border patrol has done an incredible job and mexico has been doing an incredible job. yeah, [ inaudible question ] >> wilbur's a good man. a lot of people thought his answer was fine. i didn't see the answer yet. they thought it was fine. it can be expanded very simply. there are many reasons you can do it. but, you know, we were surprised by that decision. citizenship has been on that thing most of the time for many, many years. so it's very shocking that after spending $15 billion it's not on. >> -- pull out of nato? >> no, no, tell biden that nato has taken total advantage of him

and president obama. they took -- we were paying for almost all of nato. we're protecting countries. those countries have to protect themselves with us. they have to make a contribution. in my first year i raised over $100 billion from those countries. biden didn't know what the hell he was doing and heather dneith president obama. nato was taking advantage. now they're paying. they still owe us a lot of money. biden doesn't know that. he just thinks stupidly we do. nato is fine, but they have to pay their way. the united states is not going to get killed on trade with europe. europe kills us on trade, which we're changing. and europe then kills us because we defend europe. and we lose a tremendous amount of money. so we lose on trade and the military. president obama and vice president biden, they didn't have a clue. they got taken advantage of by china, by nato, by every country they did business with.

>> are you watching the world cup final on sunday? >> i don't know thieat i'll be able to. [ inaudible question ] >> i hope they do well. >> [ inaudible ] meet with kim jong-un. why did you say that? [ inaudible question ] >> because kim jong-un on numerous occasions to me president obama wanted to meet with kim jong-un and kim jong-un said no. numerous occasions he called and. >> and right now we have a very nice relationship. we've done a lot and we've gotten -- we've gotten our hostages back, we're getting the remains back. a lot of good things are happening. and there's been no nuclear testing. during president obama, there were nuclear testing, they were sending missiles. right now everything's nice and quiet. >> that was president trump speaking on the south lawn of the white house for nearly 20

minutes. just a few moments ago he is en route to new jersey where he's going to spend receipt mander of the holiday weekend. he talked about immigration, the jobs numbers that we got this morning, talked about foreign policy as well, as you heard in that last q&a. kelly o'donnell is back with us in the white house. we are joined by pete williams and guerin is the white house correspondent for the "washington post" and robert scales is with us as well. he's the former commandant of the u.s. war college. kelly, let's focus on the census question in particular. over the course of the last few days we saw an about-face on the part of the administration indicating that this, a citizenship question was not dead. they're trying to find a way to still include this on the 2020 census. help us understand what we heard today from the president about where that stands. >> that was one of several centers where i asked the question to the president. he told us that he spoke with the attorney general today, that he's reviewing a range of options that they could use to try to still include this question, that would include things like a presidential memoranda or an executive order

or some legal maneuver. i'll defer to pete on what some of those are. what's the bigger takeaway is the president's unwillingness to agree with the decision made by his own administration a couple days ago where the department of justice and department of commerce had told a court that they were going to sort of abandon this issue and principle the census forms with the question not included and to begin the very robust process of a national head count. the president talked about the $15 billion it costs and you heard him say that he wants to still explore this. he disagrees with the supreme court and chief justice roberts who said that wilbur ross, the commerce secretary had not provided a sufficient answer for why that needed to be included. so we really don't know what the president will land on here because he's been in a couple of different places in terms of the pathway. he wants to keep this sort of fight to include the question on the census. many others have viewed that as

a way to try to diminish the turnout and another piece of his often caustic or divisive immigration policy. so the president certainly took several questions on that. i pressed him a couple of times would he decide today? a judge wants an answer today. he did not give a definitive answer but said the attorney general is working on that now. david. >> pete williams, help us understand what the justice department is thinking through at this point. the president tweeting yesterday that lawyers for the justice department, bureaucrats at the commerce department were working on this issue on the independence day holiday. they were burning the midnight oil trying to figure out what do here. the president in his comments just a moment ago, pete, talking about an executive order as an option here. one of four or five he said to reporters. help us understand what you've been hearing about what they are considering, what possibilities they have at this point to include that question in the>> announcer: >> well, bottom line they do have a number of different options but every one will produce a lawsuit. so there's no clear path to

putting this question on the census form. here are the options. the president can say i order the commerce department to put this question on the form. and the commerce department would say yes, sir, and we're going to do to do that, immediate lawsuit. whether that would succeed or not, i don't know. secondly, wilbur ross could say all right, the answer i gave you before about why i wanted the question, i know you didn't like that, here's my new answer about why i want the question on the form. they could try that. that would also produce a new round of litigation. at 2:00 today a judge in a case that's still pending in maryland, not the one that went to the supreme court, has asked the justice department -- ordered the justice department and the challengers of this question on the form to say what's next if the government's going to try to continue to do this, then he wants a schedule for discovery and for pretrial briefings and in that case. so we'll get some more window about the government's thinking at 2:00, but there's no deadline for the government to say -- to give up by 2:00 today.

it's just their first chance to give up based on what the president said they're not going to give up. a couple of other points here. it's true that the question about citizenship, the president says has been on most of the census forms throughout history. that is correct. so the government is not trying to do something here that it's never done before. and the law gives the census bureau and the commerce secretary pretty wide discretion on how to conduct the census. on the other hand, i think there may be some confusion about the necessity of having the citizenship information. to be absolutely clear, congressional districting is done on the basis of total population, not on the basis of just citizens or voting age population in a district. it's everybody who lives there whether they're here legally, whether they can vote or not, children don't vote, they're part of a census. so we have a ways to go here. the government does have a lot of things it can try. but there's no proof it can

succeed. and one other thing is have some sure. >> maybe they won't put the question on the short form that goes to every house. maybe they'llaed it to the survey that goes to a limited number of houses or maybe it will be a little post-it note or some note that's stuck in with the census form. they have a lot of things they can try to do here. >> yeah, an addendum, as the president put it. let's play that exchange that kelly o'donnell was referring to a moment ago between her and the president of the united states on the issue of the census. >> will you decide today on the citizenship question what route you're going to take in the judge wants an answer today. >> i just spoke with the attorney general. we have a number of different avenues. we can use all of them or one. we're doing very well on that issue. we're spending 15 to $20 billion on a census. we're doing everything. we're finding out everything about everybody. think of it, 15 to $20 billion and you're not allowed to ask them are you a citizen? and, by the way, if you look at the history of our country, it's almost always been asked.

so we're fighting very hard against the system that's a very difficult system. but we'll make a decision. the attorney general is working on that right now. >> guerin of the "washington post," let me turn to you if i could. wilbur ross's name came up a couple times during this interview at the white house. the commerce secretary and the department of commerce is what oversees the census. there has been some reporting about lowe the president sees him in light of ha happened, in light of that supreme court decision. what are you hearing from sources about the secretary of commerce and the president they referred to as a good man, about how long he might be in the department? >> yeah, i think anytime the president says don't worry, he's a good man, people probably get a little bit nervous about whether they're about to be canned. i have no reporting that wilbur ross is about to be canned, but he has -- he is someone the president has been frustrated with at other times over the last year and a half or so. in this case, our reporting

shows that the president is frustrated that the commerce department, in his view, was too quick to put a white flag and say, okay, fine, we're going to print the forms without that question. which was the position of the commerce department as of three days ago. the president thought that was too hasty, he clearly felt like that had gotten ahead of where he himself was. which is never a place a commerce secretary or any cabinet secretary would like to be. >> wilbur ross putting that official statement that went out to the press. kelly o'donnell, another question or two came up about joe biden, comments the former vice president made in an interview with chris uqueue opal mow that taped last night and airing today. let's play a little bit of that exchange between the reporters and the vice president about what joe biden had to say. >> he could you a bully in that interview last night. what do you think of that? >> i don't think i'm a bully at all. i just don't like being taken advantage of by other countries

have some he was characterized as a bully as chris cuomo asked the former vice president on how he would handle a debate with the president. kelly, your reaction to that? >> the president enjoys on engaging on some of the democratic field, especially when you know last night he restrained himself from being overtly political, didn't talk in the way we normally see him in a rally style with the salute to america that he wanted to talk so much about today. the president likes to engage on that. one of the things that he said toward the end of this is when he was talking about president obama wanting to have a meeting with kim jong-un of north korea and being rebuffed by the leader of that regime, our reporting suggests that did not ever occur. so i don't know the basis of the president's insight on that. is that something that he was told by chairman kim or learned in some other way? because that is not the reporting that we have from our team who had specific knowledge of those events up close. one of the challenges, david, when you're doing one of these

in addition to be outside for more than an hour waiting for the president and we were all drenched in sweat, it's very difficult to hear. so at times it's hard to process what question is he being asked and what is his answer in realtime. so that is part of what happens in these. that works to the president's advantage where he can say something that sounds pretty clear later as it plays out and in a moment it's very difficult for reporters to check him on various answers. i did ask him about the thing that sort of making the internet turn a kind of imploding today about him referring to an airport during the revolutionary war. i asked him about that and he said the teleprompter went out, it was raining, he couldn't see. talked about that being embarrassing in friechbt mill n embarrassing in front of a million people. i only point that out because it's rare that we hear the president making a mistake or performance mistake or something like that. so i wondered if he would

explain how there was an airport being defended during the revolutionary war. so he gave us a bit of an answer ton that. and on a number of other issues the president is heading to bedminster today, one of his many trump-branded clubs. i asked him if he was certain that no undocumented workers are employed there now. and he said that, you know, lime not in charge of that business anymore. i believe that's the way it was always run i think we've done things differently. our team has done reporting in the last couple of years that there were undocumented immigrants who were employed at the president's club. they have now put in everify which is one of the tools to try to know the status of employees. but he'll be back that the club today. david. >> you mentioned that performance mistake there blending on the technology as so many of us do when that happens. i should say 85 degrees and 70% humidity in washington with respect to what kelly was saying about the environment for this g gaggle. let me turn to the retired

admiral. as you peered through that bullet proof glass and heard the speech, what's your takeaway from it when all is said and done? >> my wife and i went to the same event in 1970 two during the vietnam war and i assure you what we experienced yesterday was a lot better. look, presidents have used the military as pot tted plants for years. regular began loved to have soldie reagan loved to have soldiers standing behind him. the only thing i guess i was disappointed with is there was so much equipment, so much gear and so little exposure of the young men and women who operate that gear. i would have been a lot more comfortable had the american people had a chance to rub shoulders with the pilots and the drivers of those vehicles to get to know our military a little better from a personal

perspective. look, half of 1% of the american population serves in the military. our military bases are increasingly isolated enclaves separated from the american people. i would feel better if we did a better job in these shows of military might if we put a personal face on it. >> robert scales, retired major general robert scales. i appreciate you all of you sticking around for those remarks. president trump vows to put a citizenship question on the 2020 census. it's not clear how he intends to do it. in a moment democratic congressman krishnamoorthi joins me to talk about that next. wanted to get away who used expedia to book the vacation rental that led to the ride ♪ which took them to the place

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moments ago the president revealed he's considering an executive order to try and move forward with getting a citizenship question on the 2020 census. this as the department of justice faces a 2:00 p.m. deadline today set by a federal judge to either reveal its intentions on the matter. joining me now is illinois congressman krishnamoothi. you're a lawyer yourself, what's your reaction to the astonishing courtroom transcripts we've seen to the degree for which lawyers for the justice department don't seem to know what the administration's plan is going forward. and more broadly we don't know what the administration's plan is going forward.

>> yeah, actually yesterday on the fourth of july i was hoping that the doj would declare their independence from president trump on this issue. however, it looks like they are going back and forth just like the tweets are. you know, i think that right now, the president is creating chaos with regard to this particular census being printed and whether the citizenship question is going to be part of it. in the oversight committee in which i sit, chairman cummings has led a number of hearings, the reason why the question was on, was it was pretextual. >> is it your sense this question will not make it to the piece of paper every american is going to get? is it a dead issue? >> i hope so. the constitution commands that every person be counted regardless of whether they vote and regardless of their

immigration status. the process of printing those census forms takes months. july 1st was the initial deadline. and so we're already in overtime now. although, i'm told that citizenship -- i'm sorry, surveys for the census are being printed without this citizenship question currently. >> let you ask you about what happened at the debate. joe biden was asked about the issue of bussing. let's take a listen to that exchange. >> it's so easy to go back and go 30, 40, 50 years and take a context and take it completely out of context. and i mean, you know, i get all this information about other people's pasts and what they've done and not done. and, you know, i'm not going to go there. >> were you prepared for them to come after you? >> i was prepared for them to

come after me, but not the person coming at me the way she came at me. she knows me. >> i want to get your reaction to the way the vice president sees his personal history. do you think this is a reasonable line of attack? is this something he should have to talk about on the campaign trail? >> in my own debates, my record has been fair game. i think perhaps his record should be fair game back to his time in the senate. i would say that folks like vice president biden should take his record as well as his time with president obama and point to the way forward. that's what people want to know. they want to know what does tomorrow hold for me. in chicago, we have a deep entrenched history of housing segregation, which has led to tremendously unequal outcomes on everything from schooling, which

bussing was supposed tod help with to generally economic prospects and job prospects. right now, i would respectfully submit that vice president biden and others say how do we lift up the economic aspirations of all these people and others going forward. >> he was asked how he would defend, reconcile his record on this issue. let's take a listen to what he had to say about that. >> you were not in favor of bussing. it was a different time, there were different applications. why not just own it and say against it but now i've changed. >> i was in favor of bussing. look, the question is how do you equalize education in every area? i put forward the most aggressive plan to do that. i've been pushing it for a long time. >> final question about his approach to this issue and others. that's a reluctance to apologize for things that have happened in the past. i want to get your perspective on how politicians should approach things.

>> i think it's acceptable to apologize. to say you were wrong. this is why and this is why you've taken a different position. i think that not doing so will continue to kind of mire you in the past responses and prevent you from moving forward and presenting your vision for tomorrow. >> that's the congressman from the 8th district in illinois. thank you very much, i appreciate it. >> thank you. that wraps up this hour or "msnbc live." >> we don't do this anymore. we used to do -- i haven't seen you for weeks. >> how was your fourth? >> it was good. i had a pool day with my family. it was nice and now i'm back at it. i'm going to be on vacation for a week. so it's going to be a strong hour. >> be well. >> thank you. right now, everybody on "msnbc live," ignore the court. president trump says despite a supreme court decision he's looking at using an executive order to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. ready or not.

former vice president joe biden's surprising answer to a question about attacks he's facing. rattled. millions in southern california are on edge, waiting for more aftershocks and the potential of another big earthquake after a 6.4 shaker. all right. we've been following breaking news over the last hour or so. in route to his home in bed minister, new jersey president trump spoke about a variety of topics. he said he could take executive action in order to get a citizenship question on the census. let's take a listen. >> we're thinking about doing that. we have four or five ways we can do it. it's one of the ways wooee're thinking about doing it [ inaudible question ]

>> he made a statement, the judge didn't like it. i have a lot of respect for justice roberts. he didn't like it but he did say come back. essentially he said come back. that's what he was saying. so we'll see what happens. >> all right. joining me now, nbc news correspondent kelly o'donnell and justice correspondent pete williams. the president ran the gamut, talking about everything from the census as we just heard to immigration to his speech last night and what took place there as well. take us through obviously some of the census comments we just heard along with what we heard from the president about an hour or so ago sdplr when i asked the president the question, he said he spoke to the attorney general and the attorney general is working on this issue of options for the administration to try to include these citizen question on the 2020 census form. this is important because there's been a big reversal this week, the commerce secretary had said that the printing would go

forward without that question. part of the reason is there's a legal track and a logistical nightmare for the administration. the scale of doing the census is so great. the president said the dollar amount is $15 billion to $20 billion to conduct this national head count. and that the printing needed today begin in july. and so for a practical purpose they were going to go forward. the president was not satisfied with that and said his lawyers, government lawyers would need to work harder on this and task the attorney general with working on it as well. he did not give us a definitive answer of when there would be an answer as to what path they'd take. would they take a legal route, would they use an executive order or some other matter we don't yet know about. he's working on that. it really did run the gamut in scorching heat with sweat dripping off the president and all of us. he was asked one question about his daughter, ivanka trump, he

said he was not grooming her for office. he commented on wishing the women playing soccer on behalf of the united states well. he wasn't sure if he'd be watching that game. also talked about -- he gave us a big tease about what went wrong that caused vice president mike pence to postpone or cancel an event in new hampshire. he said there is an issue that will become known in the next week or two that had nothing to do with the white house. a big tease there. a range of topics. a lot of the president's energy and enthusiasm today was on the jobs numbers and on what he believes was a very successful event last night. he said military recruitment is likely to hit a spike because of his salute to america. so it was a broad conversation. the president clearly interested in talking, despite the heated conditions. he's got the holiday weekend with his family in new jersey at one of their trump owned properties.

>> take us through the details of this census question. where we stand on everything. obviously, a possibility that the president is looking at using an executive order, what that means. can he do that? the timing of all of this, how that would line up and also this 2:00 p.m. deadline we're looking at today. >> okay, so let's start with what the supreme court said. the supreme court did not say you can never put a citizenship question on the census. the explanation we got from secretary ross doesn't hold up. so the government has to come up with a better reason than that if it's going to succeed. so one possibility here is the census bureau says okay, on second thought, here's why we want to put the question on the census form. if they try that, that would lead to more it litigation. i think it was on that basis the government decided that's a non-starter. still a possibility but would lead to more litigation. you heard the president say maybe he'll sign an executive order. the president commanded the commerce department to put this

question on the form. he can try that. that would undoubtedly lead to more litigation. it's important to remember that the president wouldn't be asking the census bureau to do something it's never done before. the president accurately said most of the census questions throughout american history have included the citizenship question. since 1960, the short form that goes to every household has not. that's kind of what the issue is here. the 2:00 deadline today is set by a maryland judge in a separate case on whether the census question is discriminatory, violating the constitution. he's told the government tell me today by 2:00 whether you're going to try to get this question on the form. if you are, we need to set a schedule for how we're going to proceed in that trial. so there is a nationwide injunction set by the supreme court that the government can't put this question on the form. they're cranking out census forms without the question. but the government is apparently going to try other ways to come

up with either adding this question to the short form itself or perhaps some addendum or putting it on the community survey that only goes to a portion of american households. it has a number of options. all of them are going to get -- going to produce lawsuits. it's going to be back in the courts as the deadline ticks to get all these forms printed. >> any ideas as to whether or not they're going to hit the 2:00 p.m. deadline? if they don't, what does it mean? >> no, they will. the judge was quite clear he wants an answer by 2:00. so they'll meet this deadline. it was set by the judge on a conference call on wednesday. one of the lawyers said, hey, you know, this is going to be tough to do. can we do it monday? no, friday 2:00. they'll abide by it. >> thank you both. very much appreciate it. i want to bring in chief

white house correspondent peter baker and katie williams. peter, i'm going to start with you. what is the latest you're hearing from your sources on the census issue and this possible executive order the president is currently looking at? >> well, i was struck by one of the things he said just now, he was asked why do you need this question on the census? what is it about this that's so necessary? >> we need this in order to draw congressional districts. in modern times they have been based on total population, not on the number of citizens in a district. that would be a radical change if they changed that to a counting system. either he's not aware of the way it's currently counting and he said that because he thought that's the way it's current li down. or perhaps they'd want to change that system. the supreme court ruled as

recently as 2016 in favor of a total population count. it didn't say other ways of counting would be ruled out. that would be a big change if they go forward with it. >> what the president said doesn't help his argument on the census question. >> well, that's often the case. you know, his opponents in many lawsuits against his policies have used his public statements against him, which is why most lawyers tell presidents or politicians not to make a lot of public comments about ongoing litigation. you can complicate your legal arguments. that's not been an issue that's ever concerned this president. h he sends lawyers into battle for him and sometimes they've managed to over come that anyway. just this last couple days, in fact the judge in one of these census cases said try to explain

this tweet i read on twitter. and the lawyer from the justice department said i don't know anymore than you did. >> ultimately the census needs to get out there and it needs to be done. and whether or not this thing will end up in litigation is the question. the president was asked about iran. he gave a quick answer. let's listen to that. >> we'll see what happens with iran. iran has to be very, very careful. >> look, there's been this ratcheting up of tension with iran as we well know from the oil tankers, to the drone, this back and forth. the president at one point saying they were going to be striking on iran and then pulled back at the very last minute with five minutes to spare. where we are with iran right now, nobody really knows. a lot of rhetoric coming out of iran as well. what do you make of what we heard from the president today? >> well, i mean, i think what we're seeing is sort of the ongoing dynamic we've seen from the president from the beginning

with iran. he wants to appear tough, it's obviously a very potent political issue with his base. he likes to appear tough on the world stage. he wants to appear like a strong military first leaning president. he has a real ambivalence for u.s. military engagements in the middle east. and i think you saw that with his sort of decision to move forward with a strike and then kind of pulling back at the last minute out of concerns over casualty counts. there's a very, very real risk of involving the u.s. in a protracted conflict with iran. if there is some kind of retaliatory measure, this tit for tat we're watching happening, you know, experts and pentagon leaders are warning that, look, this could spiral into an actual conflict. given the president's historical criticism of the george w. bush administration's prosecution of

the iraq war, you know, that's not something he's particularly hungry for. so i think that's sort of that same tension, it's kind of trump versus trump on the iran issue here. >> and the possibility of spiraling into an actual conflict, maybe even accidental conflict. >> right. i mean, i think the big thing you're watching concerns about in the pentagon. which is this concern that, look, if you bring these two sides to the brink and everybody has a bunch of expensive human and sort of military assets in the region and something goes wrong, you know, the opportunity for miscalculation, for misunderstanding a signal from the other side is really high. >> yeah. all right. pet thank you both. up next, clean up aisle 2020. joe biden tries to keep his campaign out of the line of fire. you're watching msnbc, we'll be right back. fire you're watching msnbc, we'll be right back

jahe you're looking at live pictures from iowa. that's where kamala harris has taken a stage at a town hall. we're waiting for her comments from joe biden, reacting in political and personal terms to the senator confronting him on his record in his first sit down television interview. let's watch. >> so easy to go back 30, 40, 50 years and take a context and

take it completely out of context. and i mean, you know, i get all this information about other people's past and what they've done and not done. and, you know, i'm not going to go there. >> are you prepared for them to come after you? >> i was prepared for them to come after me but i wasn't prepared for the person who came at me. she knew beau, she knows me. >> despite the fact that we're currently in the middle of a holiday. our road warriors are out in force this morning. mike, i'm going start with you on this one. the biden and harris campaigns have been sparring for days. this is the first time we've heard the former vice president talk in personal terms about his son, of course, and about the back and forth with kamala harris. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. i think what you heard there in the vice president's invocation

of the name of his late son, beau, reflects why this has been so difficult for him and his campaign. really to deal with this issue. otherwise one that they knew was going to come up and be an issue of the campaign. beau biden, the vice president's late son, was the attorney general of delaware at the same time that kamala harris was the attorney general of california. the two of them developed a real friendship. they worked on a lot of cases together. by extension the vice president developed a relationship with senator harris. to hear senator harris, who as he said in that interview, she knows me, make this a personal issue with him as he felt, was really difficult for him to respond to. where do we go from here? the larger issue for the vice president is to explain his larger voting record, his advocacy on civil rights. he think most voters will understand he's been a champion of civil rights throughout his career. he's about to go to south carolina after his event in houston today where he'll have a real show of force with his

african-american endorsers in the state. he'll be there for two days. kamala harris will be in south carolina as well. this debate we expect to continue. >> did the vice president have any idea he would be defending his civil rights record? >> reporter: well, we've seen over the course of the last months heading into the vice president announcing his candidacy there had been a number of stories raising his past positions. this is not one they didn't expect would come up. what we've heard time and time again, we heard it yesterday when we had a chance to ask the vice president about this. we heard it again this morning. these are 40-year-old votes that the context of what was going on is difficult for voters to maybe understand. he has supported bussing in some cases where it was sanctioned by law in the state or local governments. he did oppose bussing. to see this wrapped up in a debate when he thinks the focus needs to be on donald trump has been tough for him. >> this has been what we've been talking about since the former

vice president announced he was going to be running for president which is having to defend his long record. a longer record than anybody else on that stage right now. vaughan, you've been with senator harris. she's drawing huge crowds in iowa as we well know. she has seen a major bump in the polls. the latest poll i believe from wednesday she was within a margin of error of the former vice president at 20% i believe with the former vice president at 22%. what are we expecting to hear from her today? any idea if she's going to be responding to biden's comments from the vointerview with cuomo? >> reporter: you can see kamala harris is addressing a crowd here in sioux city. on the stump she doesn't bring up joe biden. over the course of the last week when talking to reporters, she has remained explicit on this issue. yesterday morning joe biden said he did not need to atone for his

statements and his votes back in the 1970s. a couple hours later kamala harris told reporters that all she wants to hear from the vice president is an acknowledgment he was wrong on the issue to oppose court mandated bussing back in the 1970s. she said she has not heard that to date. where does this issue go from here? i want to play for you a little bit of her spokeswoman earlier this morning responding to vice president biden's comments saying he was surprised biy the directness of kamala harris. >> i can't say for why he wasn't prepared, that's for he and his team to explain. this is what a presidential debate is. it's to decide who has the ideas and vision to lead the party against donald trump. >> reporter: now, both of these candidates are going to be addressing teachers in houston this afternoon. this conversation is important now because kamala harris

herself said that the segregation and schools today may be worse than when she was a child. now there's that conversation over bussing, over integration, other policies these two candidates will put forward in the weeks ahead in order to address the situation. >> all right. thank you both, guys. appreciate it. happy fourth, by the way. with me now, the president and ceo of the center for american progressive who has worked on multiple democratic presidential campaigns and rick tyler, msnbc political contributor. i want to play a little bit more of the vice president defending his record and then we'll talk. >> you were not in favor of bussing. it was a different time, there were different applications. why not just own it and say i was against it but now i've changed. >> i was in favor of bussing that was du jour bussing. the question is how do you equalize education in every area? i put forward the most aggressive plan to do that and i've been pushing it for a long

time. >> what do you make of these repeat defenses that we have heard from the former vice president and his team over the last week or so? >> well, i think that vice president is thinking vice president -- vice president biden is thinking he has a long record on civil rights and doesn't want to concede he was wrong on a civil right issue, even in the 70s. i think what's happening in this debate about bussing isn't actually about bussing. in fact, i don't think the debate energy or issue was really about bussing itself. i think kamala harris demonstrated by taking on vice president biden on this issue that she was tough enough to take on trump because she was able to really, you know, stand toe to toe with the vice president and make him defensive. >> i actually think that going forward -- you see this, senator harris isn't talking about

bussing every day on the campaign trail. she's geths very big crowds. going forward, i think there is a lot of interest in the basic question, which is who is the best candidate to take on trump. it's a democratic primary. we can have differences of opinions. but today education policy, healthcare policy, a lot of these issues are where voters want to take this debate. where they're going forward, not where they were in the past. >> biden was also asked by chris cuomo about why he didn't defend himself more on that debate stage. especially when it came to his -- excuse me -- to kamala harris. let's take a listen to that and then we'll talk. >> why didn't you fight it like this in the debate? >> in 30 seconds? hey, come on. >> what happens most in a debate, people blow their time cue. you're the only person i've seen on a debate stage say i'm out of time. >> we never had a place where we have 30 seconds. do you think the american public

looked at that debate and said i like the way that's conducted. come on, man. >> come on, man. he's the most seasoned debater that we know on that stage. that certainly should be the defense for the former vice president who has been up thru and run for president how many times at this point? has been on the debate stage as a vice president. he's saying he only had 30 seconds he couldn't defend himself. yes, it's a very nuanced thing, bussing. very nuanced thing and it's difficult to explain your position, especially historically and if you're not prepared for it. yet he said that he didn't have enough time. >> it's political malpractice he wouldn't have enough time. he knew the rules of debate. i assume he and his team practice the debate. i'm sure somewhere in their file he would know i've got this issue on bussing and someone may bring that up. for him to say i didn't have negative time to answer or i'm

surpris surprised kamala harris would have ever challenged me on that. come on, man. i mean, he wasn't ready for it. now, kamala took that opportunity and she has done very well. i mean, she improved her polling across all demographics, all etiological demographics. joe biden has got to prove he can get on offense, get up again and learn how to shift his message toward what a biden presidency means to people and start talking about that instead of talking about this -- we're going on what, two weeks now? >> can he, will he -- what do you think the strategy is going forward, the conversations that are going on behind the scenes. the run ups to the next debates, this is the only time where the public can see the candidates on stage together, putting their issues out to the public to debate them. they can have sit down interview

with news anchors and have plenty of time to answer, how they want to answer. they have a pr person standing right there. but when you're on the debate stage, it's just you. and it's just the answers and you're dealing with your opponent. whether you're friends with kamala harris or not, because at the end of the day, this is politics. it's the run for the white house. >> yeah, i did debate prep for hillary in 2007 when she was the front runner for most of the debates. you have to know how to respond to attacks from literally anywhere. the thing i'd say is i do think the vice president was right about one thing, there's an anxiety about this becoming too personal and too negative a prime at large. people yelling over each other. i think he's right. what kamala demonstrated is she

did launch this criticism, but it was personal to her. i don't think it was seen as negative. he's going to have to respond to these things. again, it was the first debate. there will be many more. i do think the vice president and every candidate who didn't perform well has more opportunity in the next debate to really demonstrate. this debate isn't just about this debate. people are looking at this debate and wondering how these people will perform against trump. and that's why everything has to be aggressive, assertive and really think through how they're going to demonstrate they're the best candidate against trump. >> either way, you have this wide swath of candidates, unprecedented number of people running for president that are trying to claw their way to the top at the end of the day that all wants to see donald trump out of office. you can't help but think more of this is yet to come. we have oh, so much time. thank you both, very much appreciate it. coming up, zero taolerance.

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jobs numbers for the month of june, just out today. here's what he said just earlier. >> we had great numbers this morning. i think it was 224,000 jobs. those were really unexpectedly good. and our country continues to do really well. really, really well. so we're very happy about it. >> dominic chu is japanning oin. 3.7% june unemployment rate compared to 3.6% back in may. talk to me about these numbers. >> so the numbers like president trump did say we're better than expectations. the interesting part about this is it comes on the heels of a pretty weak jobs number that came back in may. if you factorther the revision we took 11,000 jobs off from

months of april and may. you mentioned the unemployment rate ticking higher. there's a reason why that happened. it's because of the way that unemployment is actually calculated. the more people that end up entering the workforce to actively seek unemployment, the more they're counted in the overall numbers who are unemployed. the more people who come in looking for work, the more you'll see the unemployment rate tick a little bit higher. that's the calculation. the other point i would point out is that wages are growing both month over month from may/june also over the same time last year. the wage growth is at a slower pace than economists were looking for. the places you want to see the gains are the hiring sectors you want. professional and business services, higher paying jobs. healthcare, transportation, construction. those types of industries did add jobs. retail did lose some of them. what you're finding is that you're seeing some of those job gains put in places that are

above the minimum wage type situation. this is also again, viewed as a generally good report. that's something we'll keep in mind as well. >> we've got pause numbers there. the dow has been down today. why? >> so the reason why is because it's all about interest rates and the fed. the fed generally is seen as looking to possibly cut interests rates if the economy starts to stumble. in this case, it's good news. the economy is on more solid funding than previously thought. if that is the case, the fed may be a little less inclined to possibly cut interest rates like president trump actually wants. that's the reason why the dow is selling off modestly. it's not a huge amount, but it's a modest loss. >> it doesn't seem like we're seeing wavering. manufacturing is doing pretty well. >> yeah, so it's a little bit mixed. i mean, the numbers did show the

manufacturing environments doing well, picking up jobs. there are a lot of surveys out there, sentiment surveys that are showing signs of weakness. on balance, it's a situation where the fed may have to look a little bit harder to find a reason to raise or lower interest rates. >> thank you, appreciate it. all right. switch gears. tomorrow marks the end of president trump's two week delay on i.c.e. raids in immigrant communities across the entire country. though he doesn't call them actual raids. watch this. >> they'll be starting fairly soon. but i don't call them raids. w we're removing all these people over the years that have come in illegal illegally. we're removing them. >> the president said he would wait two weeks to see if congress could, quote, work out a solution to the asylum and loophole problems at the southern border. congress did pass a $4.6 billion humanitarian aid practice during these two weeks.

as images like this showed the overcrowding of detention facilities. joining now me now is john stanwick. what do you make of the president's most recent comments on the raids and his timing of all of it? >> he's wanted to do this for quite some time. we've heard stories about the internal planning and concerns being raised by folks at i.c.e. and dhs. we'll see the administration do something like this unfortunately. it will be targeting families who lost an asylum claim, or a lot of these folks for one reason or another didn't show up for court. that's going to be the targeted population. you look at all the work that i.c.e. is responsible for, i just don't think that's an adequate priority. that's not so urgent when you look at the folk whose are committed public safety threats. we have criminal convictions,

that's where the focus should be. >> i'm interested to hear your take on the president's recent comments. he says if you don't like what we're doing here, if you don't like how we're treating people in these detention facilities, if you don't like what's happening at the border, then don't come. stay in your own country. >> i understand the frustration people might have when they look at the administration when they say why should the united states be responsible for taking care of this population? when you're running the administration, you have a responsibility to execute a job safely and humanely. the way in which the administration, the approach they've been taken, the deterrence based approach, a has not succeeded. the numbers have continued to rise. we're not saying this is impact -- the conditions people are fleeing are so much worse than they face here. they're going to continue to come. secondly, as we've seen these horrible conditions in the border patrol facilities -- the problem is we're utilizing facilities that was never

intended for children. it was designed for something different than we do today. >> joe biden talked about decriminalizing undocumented immigran immigrants. >> people who are running close to you are saying decriminalize, coming in to the country illegally. do you believe that should be decriminalized? >> no, i don't. i think people should have to get in line. if people are coming because they're actually seeking asylum, they should have a chance to make their case. i would be -- as we did and barrack and i did -- surging folks to the border to make those concrete decisions. >> where do you stand on this, john? do you think there's actually a chance for decriminalization to actually happen? >> i don't think there's a chance. right now it's not a crime to be in the united states unlawfully. it's a crime to cross the border without going through the inspection process. that said, it's not prosecuted 100%. and i agree 100% with the vice

president. if individuals cross the border legally or illegally and making an asylum claim than we should have been addressing this long time ago. that's the root of the overcrowding in the facilities. that's because we refuse to manage these asylum claims quickly. >> thank you, john, appreciate it. up next, aftershocks. the people living near the epicenter of the strongest earthquake to hit southern california in two decades were awoken by another series of earthquakes just this morning. the latest in a live report next. you're watching msnbc. a live re next you're watching msnbc. as your life grows, so do your needs. ♪ and with bank of america and merrill, the benefits you get can grow, too. as a preferred rewards member, you can enjoy priority service and exclusive discounts... so your growing life can be more rewarding, too. ♪ what would you like the power to do? ♪

welcome back. officials are assessing the damage from yesterday's surprise 6.4 magnitude earthquake in southern california. it happened 150 miles out of los angeles and was confirmed by the united states geological survey. experts say 20 million people were actually in the earthquake zone and classified it as the strongest quake in nearly two decades. msnbc's correspondent molly hunter is joining me live near the epicenter in ridge crest, california. molly, good to talk to you today. i appreciate your joining on this. hundreds of aftershocks were reported today. tell us about what you're seeing. >> reporter: >> hey, good morning. it's pretty extraordinary to be so close to the epicenter. actually, i was in la yesterday when the big quake struck. we could feel it, but being here we can feel 3.4, 3.9s, the two

biggest we've had in the past few hours was a 5.4 this morning. and a 4.1. feeling a 4.1, it's really strong. i just to show you some of the damage we're seeing. this is a mobile home. check out all of that siding that's crumpled on the side. the foundation has collapsed. you can see it tipping over. this is the kind of damage we're seeing. i'm going to walk you over here. you see it's been red tagged is what the community is calling it. prohibited occupancy. the police department is putting that up. what officials and inspectors are looking for structural damage in the foundation that may not be obvious. that's what people are concerned about. many of these building look just fine. but a 5.1 or 4.1 aftershock is really going to kind of shake up some shaky foundations here. >> quickly, have everybody in

that area, has everybody in that area evacuated? how quickly are these aftershocks happening? are they happening every couple of hours? every few minutes? >> reporter: they're happening every few minutes. we're refreshing the usgs site. i don't feel a 2.3, but as soon as had hits 4.5, we feel it . the mayor has told everyone get somewhere else. if that's in a mobile home, get somewhere with some solid foundation for the next couple of days. >> thank you so much. coming up, class is in session. the presidential candidates get ready to present their lesson plans to the nation's teachers. you're watching msnbc. the natis you're watching msnbc. ... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

welcome back. some of the top 2020 contenders are expected to face off again in texas today. it's happening at an education forum in houston. where the candidates are expected to tout their own education policies and take questions from educators. we're live from houston. what do we expect to hear today?

>> reporter: so you have ten of the democratic presidential candidates coming to this forum. because i cannot emphasize enough the importance of these educators' votes in the primary process. the nea is the largest union one and 39 voters live in an nea household. the votes of karen and jim here are hugely important. you have these candidates coming to the forum, what are you looking forward today? >> i was excited that we have ten candidates here to speak to us. even though i watched the debate, i am not happy of the format they use. we don't get to hear details on education. i am looking forward for that. >> reporter: jim, anybody catching your eye? >> yeah, i like beto o'rourke, he's kind of from our area and close to el paso.

in small groups he tends to do very well. candidates should get out of the fact like you said we are a large delegation. we have our own families and we have a large reach outside of this delegation. we go home in las cruces, we discuss politics. that's what we do. >> reporter: absolutely. thank you so much to both of you. an important voting block that these candidates are going to be talking about today, the issues they tell me they are looking forward to hear about is teachers pay and also things like race. joe biden and kamala harris will be in attending today. joining me now is aisha rascal. you hear marianne says one of the important things are education. the teachers educate our

children and the corner stone of our country and they are under paid. everybody can admit that and understand that. do we have any indication or any ideas of what these candidates will say to address things like the disparity exists and in schools and conditions that are facing children of every single day and the lack of supplies of so many teachers. really they are a major voting block in this country and an important vote for these candidates. they have been a major voting block, yasmin. that can be more so the case in this cycle. in the past two cycles their influences have been a little minimized because in 2008, they did not endorse and they president obama enact on policies that a lot of people do not agree with such as school

vouchers. you will see many of these candidates are going to be emphasizing on the importance of moving away from some of the policies which were put on hyper extreme mode with education secretary betsy devos. they'll be looking for many of these candidates to draw a bright line between the policies of the current era and where it needs to go. this is becoming an issue that cuts across party lines with these protests by teach eers bo in blue states and red states. i was just at a 4th of july parade yesterday where in my own district, we had middle schoolers going around to sign petition about molds in their school buildings. this is something that cuts across party lines and you are seeing many of these candidates and emphasizing the importance of teachers like kamala harris. her proposal was raising teing teachers pay and getting under

the hood under infrastructure. >> these teachers want to hear candidates address these issues and joe biden doubling down on his position on bussing this morning because of the standoff he had with kamala harris on the debate stage. do you think educators are going to receive this? >> i think they'll receive the candidate that has a message that'll address some of those disparities. i don't know how deeply the bussing issues is going to come up. there is a huge gap now and there are still segregations in schools at this point. you still have this gap between children of color going to school and not giving the resources that other children get. what is the real answer to that? you had kamala harris who made an issue out of integration and issue of how does the federal government and what role does the federal government plays in