hopefully more details to come later tonight. richard? >> our two breaking stories today. the other story we're watching today. that wraps it up for me. you can follow me on twitter, instagram, and facebook. let me know what you think. for now i turn it to reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation" live from new orleans this holiday weekend for the 2019 essence festival, the nation's largest gathering of black women and a must-do campaign stop for democratic presidential candidates courting this crucial voting block ahead of 2020. we'll hear from two of those candidates, senators cory booker

and kamala harris later in the show. but i fir but first, president trump is drying out at his new jersey golf course, his bright i explain day salute to america literally turned gray by dark clouds and thunder, partially paid for with your tax dollars while his republican donors sat in the front row. but given the optics of tanks and trump, the speech was probably as safe as we've ever heard. >> wed come together as one nation with this special salute to america. we celebrate our history, our people, and the heroes who proudly defend our flag, the brave men and women of the united states military. >> the president stayed on that neutral message celebrating the military on the fourth of july as one would expect. but on a day america filled

itself on pie and public spirit, the president's salute tasted like soggy fascism with all the ingredients, an aspiring autocrat using a symbolic backdrop to suggest unearned standing with one of our greatest leaders, calling for a sacrifice from behind bullet-proof glass. i guess for his hair. oh, and then, of course, there were the tanks. i'm sorry, the armored tanks. joining me now, jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. jeff, the tanks, the military, the flyovers, i mean, it had all of the optics the president wanted, but it rained on his parade. what are you hearing? >> well, i was out there for it actually, and it did rain off

and on throughout the day. but he was able to give his speech. the flyovers did occur and the crowd showed up. that was one of the concerns that apparently some of the white house had was that it might not have a big turnout. the president certainly viewed it as a success, but you are right to say that it was a celebration as much of the military as anything else. he has taken some criticism for that. >> his speech seemed pretty neutral. there were concerns he would go off script and become very partisan, though, there are reports that invitations were partisan, seating was partisan. but he kind of remained neutral in terms of partisan issues, in terms of his speech, is that correct? >> reporter: yes, that is correct. that is a departure for president trump because he does often at events that are not

supposed to be overtly pilt he ends up giving a partisan speech or going off on partisan tan gents. he didn't do that on july 4th. he made the observation that the country has been the strongest it's ever been, but he didn't criticize any of his opponents or talk about democrats versus republicans. he did talk about the strength of the country and he praised each of the branches of the military. >> let me ask. did anyone in the white house, any of your sources explain how the president, after coming back from the g20 meeting, where he kind of smirked or smiled or however you want to say it with the president of russia, vladimir putin, don't mess with our election almost in a mocking way, mocking us rather than the president of russia, and then

leaving there, going and dealing with no of any kind guarantees of anything, stepping on the grounds of north korea with the dictator, kim jong-un. you do in the backdrop of that, and then you go and do this whole gloryification of the military and celebrate what the country is supposed to stand for in terms of democracy, when just days ahead, if not hours, you were with a dictator of north korea and of russia. >> reporter: it is an interesting juxtaposition. this celebration was a few days after he got back from the g20 trip and then the trip to south korea in which he went to the dmz and met with kim jong-un. yes, you would expect to see parades and celebrations of nations in countries like north korea, in countries like russia

with a big military presence, and that is one thing that the president took criticism for on july 4th. there were tanks there. the flyovers, though, i should say, really did throw the crowd, and it was a crowd that was largely supportive of president trump, even though it was not partisan speeches as we were talking about earlier. there was a lot of choreography to it and the president is a producer in chief, a former reality star, and you could see that in how the event came together on thursday. >> all right, jeff mason with reuters. thank you for joining us. the other big political news story this week, the crisis around the detainment of migrants at the southern border. earlier this week congressional democrats denounced racist and sexist comments found in a secret facebook group made up of

nearly 10,000 u.s. border patrol agents, connecting the dots between the comments and the inhuman conditions that more than a dozen democrats say they observed at a texas detainment center earlier this week. joining me now, new york congressman and house democratic caucus chair hakeem jeffries, who joined several of his state's delegation this week to denounce those comments from there in new york. congressman jeffers, thank you for being with us. let me ask you how you look at the situation. you have the conditions of migrant children being forced to live in what many have observed as inhuman conditions, you have the postings of border patrol. i mean, this is as bad as it can

get in terms of racist postings, making children go days without any kind of bathing and any kind of medical care in some situations. yet this president seemed oblivious to the criticism. >> good afternoon, rev. it's great to be with you. you're exactly right. the entire situation is completely out of control. the inhumanity of the treatment of migrant children should shock the conscience of every single american that exists. it's horrendous. you have young children being forced to live in conditions often without adequate food, without adequate water, without adequate medicine, without adequate diapers, without adequate soap, in conditions you would expect not in the united states of america, the wealthiest country in the history of the world.

it's a stain on our democracy, our country, certainly a stain on this administration. and the unhumanity that we continue to see by some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle who both deny the conditions as well as the president of the united states of america who seems to welcome the conditions, is something that is another sad chapter of this administration's sordid history over the last two and a half years. >> now, to put this in perspective, as i raised to jeff, we have a president that almost, you know, with a smirk, tells putin of russia don't mess with our elections, ha ha almost. and then he meets with kim jong-un in north korea, steps over north korea with no commitment, all while he's presiding over his administration that is in denial or ignoring the charges of

what's going on with migrant children, and then he has this great military celebration of america and the birth of the country when the country in concept and principle was born to opposite dictatorships and opposite people not having the right to vote. i mean, you couldn't have had a more paradoxical week in terms of the optics he tried to project and the reality of what he did. >> that's exactly right. two things, as you illustrated. one, we are a nation of immigrants, and his behavior is completely inconsistent with that. the xenophobia that continues to be pedalled out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue we believe is intentional. the cruelty that you see along the u.s./mexico border at this point in time, one has to conclude is designed to create what some in the administration have said is a deterrent effect so that the families who are in the central american, northern

triangle countries of guatemala, honduras and el salvador, would perhaps be concerned about sending their children into these type of horrendous conditions as opposed to the oasis of opportunity that the united states of america has traditionally been. you have a president who continues to play footsie with people, thuggish individuals like vladimir putin and mbs from saudi arabia and kim jong-un from north korea. donald trump clearly is a wannabe dictator with authoritarian tendencies and we have to take care of this national nightmare by november of 2020 if not earlier. >> well, i'm going to deal with that, of course, in the show from down here in new orleans, some of the contenders are here. i want also to drive home the point that this administration

at the same time is insisting -- you mentioned immigration and its impact on this country and what it has meant to this country. at the same time, this president is fighting to put a citizenship question on the census, which directly could impact people of color communities, districting, nobody knows that better than you. at the same time they're trying to fight to make sure that that question is still put on the census. >> perhaps in defiance of a supreme court order certainly at this point, the spirit of that supreme court decision. we're going to continue to make sure that we do everything possible to ensure that that unnecessary, un-american citizenship question does not make its way onto the census form. in the house of representatives i think you'll see our fight to make sure that there's language in the spending and appropriation bill that we need

to have signed into law in advance of october 1st, which is the start of the fiscal year, that would prohibit either the department of justice or department of commerce from expending any taxpayer dollars in support of that particular citizenship question. we also need to try to work toward uplifting this country as a nation of immigrants. we do have a broken immigration system. we do need comprehensive immigration reform. we should work on it in a bipartisan way, but we need allies other side of the aisle and the administration as opposed to hatred. >> all right. i'm going to have to leave it there. new york congressman hakeem jeffries, thank you. >> thank you, rev. coming up, earlier today i interviewed several of the top 2020 candidates at the essence festival here in new orleans. my conversation with cory booker is next. plus, a surprise from former vice president joe biden

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i'm live from new orleans this weekend to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the essence festival, one of the largest annual gatherings of african-americans in the country. multiple top 2020 candidates dropped by the event and addressed the convention. one of whom was cory booker, the new jersey senator, who has recently found his footing with the debates last week as one of the main foils to front-runner joe biden. despite that, though, the latest numbers show booker continuing to poll in the low single digits. earlier today i joined shelly

banks, ceo of essence, and sheryl dennis to talk to the senator. and i got a chance to speak with them about the status of his campaign. take a listen. >> you as mayor of newark have had to confront the issue of violence, violence against women, violence, period. i heard you talk about hearing gunfire out the window of your house, your apartment, but you still live in the hood in newark. what would you propose we deal with in terms of gun violence? there's been 40 shootings over the weekend already, i'm told, in chicago. what could the president of the united states do about this gun violence in our communities? >> well, i've said it already that faith without works is dead. and the challenge we have right now as the reverend said, there are communities like mine just about two weeks ago i had seven people shot in my neighborhood.

last year sha had smith, i will say his name, was killed with an assault rifle at the top of my block. black men in this country are 6% of the nation's population but we make up over 50% of the homicide victims. and every single day in america we have 100 people dying due to gun violence. doing nothing is no longer acceptable because we have seen a country that when people are slaughtered at houses of worship from synagogues to churches, we do nothing. we've seen in america where people are killed at a concert in vegas or a nightclub in florida, and we do nothing. children being shot under desks in schools and we do nothing. and so i want everyone to know this is not just a policy issue for me. it is very personal. if i am your president, i'm going to bring a fight to the corporate gun lobby and the nra like they have never ever seen before. and i have challenged everyone

running for president, i have put forth the boldest and farthest-reaching policy agenda that will watch shootings drop in this country and i challenge everyone to step up with me. right now you're seeing shootings in kmupts like mine, mass shootings in too many communities. we must act now before it happens in your community, in your church, to your family. the sworn oath of a president is to defend this nation. when we've had more people dying, reverend, in my lifetime due to gun violence than every single war combined from the revolutionary war to present, that the job of a president of the united states must be not just to fight this problem, but to make sure that we as a people win the fighting against gun violence. i will win that fight. [ applause ] >> we have also had the battle in the congress around president

trump's tax laws, which have benefited private corporations and the wealthy, and they talk about the economic gap with the rich and the poor, but they don't talk about the race gap because being poor black is different than being poor white, and getting access to capital with richard lui personifies that it's different for blacks than whites. how would you deal with the race wealth gap and the race economic gap? >> we really can't have this conversation without talking about the historical roots of wealth inequality in our country. we are a nation right now that has savage inequalities. for every 106ds wealth in a white family, it's $1 of wealth for a black family. what a lot of people forget is a lot of the things that allow families to build up wealth over the years through home ownership, through the gi bill and more, in many ways blacks

were excluded from many of these opportunities with red linings and other policies' designs. we have to deal with racial wealth inequalities in our country. if we don't speak to this problem, it will persist. in fact, the racial wealth gap over the last two decades has gotten wider and it has not closed. and so a lot of the policy ideas that i have don't just address poverty in general, but they also specifically get at this issue. and so when i talk about access to capital, home ownership, when i talk about entrepreneurialism, it's there. >> wealth in america is what helps you get ahead. so understand this. this has been my life work. since i graduate from school going to communities like my city of newark that are too often overlooked and looked down upon or cast aside. i know that there is wealth in all communities in america, and we should not have a nation

where some kids get opportunity and some don't, where some communities get investment capital and some don't. as your president, one of my driving purposes will be to address this issue, not with lip service, policies like baby bonds that actually address the actually issue and address the past economic harms that were purposely done because of white supremacy and the persistence of racism in our. >> unmy thanks to senator cory booker. joining me now to unpack what we've just heard, democratic strategist and former senate leadership aide, joel pane, and republican strategist for vote for america president, chris pollone. you heard senator booker. i'm sure you watched the debates. where do you see the race at

this point? certainly we have seen the polls showing that former vice president biden come down but still in first place. booker not really moving, but kamala harris and elizabeth warren really seem to have a little traction, a lot of traction according to the real clear politics poll which i have on the screen. harris is up to number two at 15.2%. warren, 13.8%. bernie sanders somewhere in the middle. how do you handicap the race right now and what effect will this have on this president? >> i certainly think there's a long way to go, obviously, in the election. going back to what senator booker stated regarding baby bonds, which essentially is government funding savings account for children. he talked about having access to capital. if you don't understand how the

utilize capital and is the resources r it doesn't matter. we have to focus on a more comprehensive plan in terms of educating financial literacy. >> are you suggesting that black and brown entrepreneurs don't know what to do with capital? >> that's not what i'm saying. he's not talking about entrepreneurs. he's talking about everyday americans, all individuals. >> the question was in response to what i questioned him on having access to capital in terms of business and entrepreneurs. i said that was personified by richard that bought essence magazine and built a multimillion-dollar business. you said you have to know what to do with it. are you suggesting that if we make access to capital fair for entrepreneurs of any race that blacks and browns wouldn't know how to use the access to capi l capital? >> of course, not. but whether black, brown, white,

regardless of the ethnicities, i think it is essentially important to understand how capital works and how you utilize it. i'm not saying black or brown or we don't know how to utilize capital. i'm simply saying understanding what you can do with it, understanding wealth and the ability to be able to make things happen. >> absolutely. and i think the problem, joel, has been, and that was the spirit of the question i raised is that people, because of institutional bias, have been on one end denied jobs, and on the other end, entrepreneurs that can do business denied access to capital through banks and red lining and other areas, not to be able to compete. and they have the skills and the withdrawal to do it if they could get the capital to function. >> you raise a really good point here, rev. i know there's a lot of great

organizations. one i worked with, operation hope, they make sure we get resources into the hands of people in black and brown and underserved communities and that they actually have the opportunity to do something with the know-how that we know exists no our community. i'm right with you. you asked about the state of the race. here's what i see. i think senator booker would have been really well served to be on that second night debate stage with kamala harris and joe biden and kind of what we would dall main event debate because the hits that harris was able to put into joe biden to really climb up the poll rankings, cory booker didn't get. cory booker by a lot of accounts had a strong performance on debate night. it's just that he was on that first night with some of the candidates and didn't get the opportunity top of the same spotlight as candidates on night two. you see someone like cory booker, he's really seeming like he's starting to hit his stride and understanding what voters

need to hear from him. it's always going to be a knock on him that people think that his message is too aspirational, and it's not grounded in reality enough. i think he's starting to tie that aspiration into tangible ideas and he's going to continue see movement in the polls. >> you mentioned the second night vice president biden. let's go now to the vice president joe biden after weeks of saying he would not apologize for his remarks that he made referencing a time of, quote, civility and then while working with segregationists. he finally said i'm sorry. take a listen. >> folks, was i wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that i was praising those men who i successful opposed time and again? yes, i was. i regret it.

and i'm sorry for any of the pain or misconception i may have caused anybody. [ applause ] >> that misstep defined 50 years of my record for fighting for civil rights? racial justice in this country? i hope not. >> i felt just grateful that he is now speaking to his past in a way with more candor and with a sense of regret for some of the things that he supported. none of us are perfect. all of us make mistakes, but we need leaders that have the courage to show vulnerability and speak to that and i'm grateful. >> now, joel, i had the former vice president on this show from south carolina democratic convention the week he made those remarks about two saturdays ago. and that's what i said to him. just apologize.

don't you feel the pain? and he said i feel the pain, but he wouldn't apologize. how do you respond, joel, to him now saying that he understands, he's sorry, he regrets it? is it too late? does it look like he was made to do this after he got someone to cover for him and now he turns around and apologizes, or do you think he really thought about it a and came to the conclusion that maybe he owed an apologize to those that were offended, including me who expressed that to him on this show two saturdays ago. >> rev, you say you wanted him to feel the pain and it looks like he felt the pain in the polls where his once insurmountable lead became very much in jeopardy. senator harris used that moment to climb up the polls. the biden campaign and vice

president biden understood that this was an existential crisis and they had to correct this and put a different spin on this. listen, i don't think any democrat, even those who have the misgivings about the former vice president would say he is not capable of el cuting a message that can work now. he is just has not shown the propensity to do that in this cycle. what we're seeing from the campaign is a pivot to understanding that they now have to be a little bit more proactive and they can't be so laid back, even things like putting themselves out there for interviews. he did that big national interview just recently a few days ago. he's doing opportunities like this. i imagine we'll see more of him. why weren't they putting him out more? it feels like joe biden's greatest strength is his ability to sit down and relate to people. pulling him back and not allowing access to him seemed like it was a real mistake. i'm glad just as a democrat who's uncommitted, i'm glad to see that the vice president is

showing his wares and showing to be the type of really skilled and experienced politician that we know he is. and i think he's got as good a chance as anybody at the nomination still. it's not a lost cause for him. >> all right. i have to go to break. chris, i'll come back to this with you. the panel stays with me. coming up, senator kamala harris also attended the essence festival here in new orleans. our conversation with her is up ahead. ♪ -i'm sorry? -what teach here isn't telling you is that snapshot rewards safe drivers with discounts on car insurance. -what? ♪ -or maybe he didn't know. ♪ [ chuckles ] i'm done with this class. -you're not even enrolled in this class. -i know. i'm supposed to be in ceramics. do you know -- -room 303. -oh. thank you. -yeah. -good luck, everybody.

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we're back at essence fest 2019 where the nation's largest gathering of black women were thrilled earlier today to hear from a rising senator kamala harris. a little over a week after her strong showing at the first democratic primary debate and the double-digit polling bounce that followed. the latest quinnipiac poll has senator harris at a virtual tie among democrats with pack leader joe biden. her 20% to his 22%, and that's

within the margin of error. with african-american voters, harris has closed the gap with vice president biden who has seen black support slip 17 points in the last month while senator harris has surged by 16 points. essence leaders michelle e. banks and myself caught up with senator harris to ask her about the power of words and how she's handling the new scrutiny from critics, candidates, and even president trump. >> is there anything you would say that, as you have come on this journey of yours, that you look at and say i will tweak that a little differently now? >> there's so much. i mean, there's so much about our history that we can certainly celebrate. we just celebrated the fourth of july and our independence, but there is so much about our

history that we should acknowledge was nothing to celebrate and a lot to be shameful about and we need to correct course. that relates to everything. you can look at -- you can also look at, rev, what has happened historically and see the vestiges that linger. i talked about the voting rights act. yet, we had a united states supreme court that in 2013 through the shelby v holder decision gutted the act and immediately after it was passed in over 20 states they passed legislation that was designed to restrict access for black people to vote and native americans and students. there was one case out of north carolina where the court of appeals said that the law that

that legislature passed was written with surgical penetration to prevent or get in the way of folks voting. so we certainly can talk a lot about history, but i'd like to talk about it in the context of current day. but there's a lot to be shameful about. as you know, most recently we have talked about america's segregated schools. historically, we knew that to be true. i was bussed to my elementary school, brown v. board of education led by thurgood marshall and a unanimous supreme court said segregation was wrong, it was against the constitution and the values of the constitution of the united states. 1954. i have met so many people who up until late '70s and there's still mandatorying bus that go exists today in america, know that there is still segregation in our schools. and now we're seeing that, actually, because we had so many

flight out of public schools after brown v. board of education, that the celebration persists, now not necessarily a function of legislators who are trying to pass laws to segregate or prevent integration, but there's been a drawing out of the resources in public schools that have left poor children and children of color in pulsz and left the schools to be segregated. that's one of my highest priorities. we have got to deal with that and speak truth about the realities of america. today. in addition to our history. >> do you feel that you will -- if you are the nominee, be able to face and stand up to a president who we know has no barriers, no filter? we do know he's afraid of prosecutors, so you have that advantage. but are you convinced deep down inside that you are ready for the fight if you're the nominee

with this kind of president? >> i'm ready. so let me -- but i'll give you a little bit more about why i know that we are ready and i am ready. because here's the thing. in my experience, i have taken on all kinds of predators. i've taken on the big banks who preyed on homeowners during the foreclosure crisis. i took on pharmaceutical companies that preyed on seniors. i have successfully taken on transnational criminal organizations that have preyed on women and children. and i'll tell you, we have a predator living in the white house. [ cheers ] he has predatory instincts and a predatory nature. here's the thing you got to know about predators. it is their nature to pounce on and try to beat down people they

perceive to be weak. it is their nature to attack vulnerable people. it is their nature to attack people who are desperate for help. and i know that kind of person. and that's who we have. let me tell you the other thing about predators. they are cowards. [ cheers ] they are cowards. we have a president who would prefer to buddy up with the president of russia instead of trusting the american intelligence community when it comes to the fact that russia interfered in the election of the president of the united states. we have a so-called commander in chief who would prefer to buddy up with a north korean dictator instead of listening to the american intelligence community about an american student who was tortured and later died. we have a so-called commander in chief who would prefer to buddy up with a saudi prince instead of listening to the american intelligence community when they

tell us that there was a journalist who was assassinated. we need a new commander in chief. >> more "politicsnation" after this.

folks, now was i wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that i was

praising those men who i successfully opposed time and again? yes, i was, and i regret it, and i'm sorry for any of the pain or misconception i may have caused anybody. [ applause ] see, that misstep defined 50 years of my record for fighting for civil rights, racial justice in this country, i hope not. >> that was vice president biden this afternoon apologizing weeks after his remarks about working with segregationists in the '70s that caused quite a stir. back with me is my panel democratic strategist joe payne and republican strategist chris prudhomu. now, chris as a republican, the president said that kamala harris who you saw our

conversation today got too much credit and sort of defended joe biden in the debate. and it all emanated from his statements about working with segregationists and kamala harris raising the question of him working with them around issues of busing which she was bused, so was i, in the north. how do you respond now that the former vice president has apologized to saying it? >> i certainly do think that apologizing is obviously a good thing, and i think it certainly going to help him on the polls. when it comes to senator harris, look at her record. me being from california myself, i can tell you she absolutely was beyond tough on crime, low-level offenders. so coming from a party who is always about criminal justice, so to speak, and coming up with ways to not soil our prison system, she has to answer for that on her record during this campaign. that has yet to come. she has definitely been known as

a very, very aggressive prosecutor. in addition she called president trump a predator. well, the thing is this. a predator does not -- president trump does not put -- excuse me, he has obviously his first step was criminal justice reform, look what he's done with hbcus. he has continuously done thing that caused changed across the board. she doesn't talk about that. at the end of the day their agenda is to attack them and bring them down and try to beat him. so she has to address and ask for her record as a prosecutor because it wasn't a great one in california. and there is a lot of individuals who do not agree with her. >> joe, i think everybody is going to have to be held accountable if they're the nominee. though i don't know how donald trump would question somebody's record when he called for the death penalty of five innocent young men in the case.

i marched about it. and after they were vindicated by dna evidence, he still said he thought they were guilty and that they should not get a settlement. so i don't know if he's the one that can argue that case in terms of those kind of issues in criminal justice. and i yet have to find anyone who tell me his commitment to hbcus. so it could be a very interesting debate on all of this, joe. >> it won't be an interesting debate from my perspective. donald trump has no credibility to vy for african-american voters. not just to his first two and a half years as president but for the 30 or so years of public life that he had before he entered the presidency, this is a person that was sued by the reagan administration for housing discrimination. you mentioned the central park five incident. he started his career on a

speechless lie about president obama that he still hasn't appropriately apologized for. so i think kamala harris is absolutely right when she calls president trump a predator. i would say that president trump actually uses race as a wedge issue, and i think somebody like kamala harris and a lot of these democratic candidates are going to put that right back in front of the president. i have written on a number of occasions that i think the democratic anonymous nomination to run right through the heart of america. and they are going to need to have elevated conversations with african-americans. >> yeah, joel -- >> all right, joel payne and chris prudome, thank you very much. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. ♪

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aside from talking with candidates for president today, i did what i have done for the last 25 years at the festival. i gave a keynote address. and i challenged people to vote no matter what they vote for. watch. here we are 40 years later in new orleans sleeping in nice hotels and to nobody bombing our churches, nobody shooting at you, no dogs biting you, just

too lazy and ungrateful to go and do what somebody paid a price for you to do. [ applause ] so now here comes trump who call you everything to your face. maybe it was time to wake you up. maybe you needed to understand you hadn't arrived yet, but trump, don't you be deceived. we are stronger than you think we are. don't be deceived. we are more resilient than you think we are. if we stand up, the whole nation will stand up. we will not go back. we will not be denied in this town for 25 years we gathered. one year we left because of katrina. we had to go to houston. but be aware, they broke the