that does it for me this weekend. thank you very much. "am joy" with joy reid starts right now. in less than two years my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country. america's -- so true. didn't expect that reaction, but that's okay. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." well, flashback to september when donald trump stood before the u.n. general assembly and was literally laughed at by world leaders. it was one of the most embarrassing and damning moments in american history, that an american president would be reduced to the butt of a joke rather than being viewed as the most powerful person in the world. but in true trump fashion the

man who used to regularly complain that america was being laughed at by other countries brushed off the literal laughter at him. fast forward to this past week. his fourth of july military parade slash campaign commercial has been mocked relntlessly by strick airline history reconstructionests in the united states who question his and his speechwriters analysis when airports began to appear, and even by the media in his favorite country, russia where the trump parade was -- where leaked memos reportedly revealed britain's man in the u.s. has labeled trump's white house as uniquely dysfunctional. he wrote that we don't really believe this administration is

going to become substantially more normal, less dysfunctional, less unpredictable, less faction driven, lez diplomatically clumsy and inept. the memos were leaked to the rupert murdic tablo rupert murdock tabloid, the london daily mail. the u.k. foreign office has issued a statement which does not deny the voracity of the leak. joining me now author of "trump nation." natasha, msnbc contributor and national correspondent for politico. let me go to you first henry in the u.k. what has been the reaction on the u.k. side? because we know u.k. is about to get a prime minister. one sometimes trump friendly boris johnson, so it's an awkward time for this to come out. so what's the reaction over

there? >> there's been very strong reaction, joy. let's remember this is from britain's top man in washington. and when you consider what's at stake, the story is running really strongly. the foreign office which is his ultimate boss says what you'd expect our ambassadors to have clear unvarnished conversations with us, that's what we pay them for. nigel faraj, trump's chief cheerleader in the u.k. says is unsuitable to his posts and should be sacked. and the chairman of the committee says this guy was right to just make his conversation clear and direct with a foreign office, but that somebody has broken the trust that british people may lose out as a result of that this, and there needs to be a serious inquiry. >> well, it's interesting, this came out first of all in a rupert murdock paper. i find it interesting that

donald trump's sort of ideological ally's paper is where this came out. the british public would expect our ambassadors to provide ministers with an unvarnished assessment of the politic ins their country. the views are not necessarily the views of the country. it's important that our ambassadors can offer their advice and our team in washington have strong relations with the white house and no doubt these will outstand such mischievous behavior. your recording on this, natasha. >> yeah, i think that's right, joy. i think someone clearly wants derek gone. the timing of these leaks is very suspicious to say the least. they're coming just a new prime

minister is about to come into power in the u.k., someone likely to be boris johnson. he's been viewed viewed he's very pro-eu and a very popular figure in washington as well. he's known for all the parties he throws and the very socialable atmosphere that the british embassy has here. and i think it's important to note just separate and apart from the paper it was published in which is of course a murdock owned tabloid, this story was also written by a journalist with quote-unquote deep tie tuesday the brexit, that funded brexit and allegedly had ties with russians. this is journalist herself who has cultivated services with the russian security services and used that to embarrass russian officials in the task. so i think we need to be very -- we need to view this with a lot

of caution. i think it's not necessarily huge news that an ambassador, a british ambassador would, you know, have these views of the president. you know, everything he said is pretty much the views of officials in washington of this administration broadly. but the source and the timing of the leak is very interesting. >> i'm just getting in my ear the daily mail is not owned by rupert murdock. donald trump seems to be obsessed with am british family, love the pomp and circumstance for a long time. how do you think he's going to be -- >> that he's inept, he has a low attention span, he needs simple facts, he's not a nuanced thinker.

but he's probably going to seek retribution. in 2016 one of his cables leaked to the may government saying he thought the british government could easily influence trump. trump went onto twitter and said that nigel farage should replace derek. he would get replaced probably by boris johnson anyway, so i'm not sure this was an attempt to move derek out. i would imagine this is consistent with everything consistent that's happened around with leaks from the white house, or the cia or fbi where you have lifelong institutional operators who are concerned about the threat to the rule of law or the threat to national security that donald trump poses, and they speak about that with candorternally. most of this stuff doesn't normally get out to the public and this did, and i think this is significant thing to ponder. >> i'm going to go back to henry

on this because one of the pieces leaked to the daily mail said on june 22nd, adding it's unlikely u.s. policy in iran is going to become coherent any time soon. this is divided administration, he questioned trump's recent claim he aborted a recent missile strike in iran and it's more likely he never fully was onboard and that he had worried how his 2016 campaign promises would look come 2020 of the next presidential election. what do you make of specifically leaking memos that had to do with iran to the point tim just made, this comes at a very tricky time in terms of iran policy? >> very much so because of course the iranians have clearly and deliberately breached the agreements on enriching you'ura on two occasions. britain is a major supporter of the deal. it has so much invested in this

deal and it's falling apart not necessarily because of the iranians but because the trump white house tore it up. he wanted to make it clear, look, you can't trust us on this policy. so very serious and it's a real headache for the incoming prime minister. what would boris johnson or jeremy hunt do. it's important to remember that the daily mail and the mail online, the sunday mail is owned by associated newspapers, which is not part of the murdock group. it is a right leaning newspaper organization, a media organization, but it is not part of the perdock empire. so the fact they've got this information and prepared to put it out is very significant. and they have been cheerleaders and a big supporter of no deal and nigel farage, and is trump's

chief cheerleader and the guy trump suggested should replace him in washington. >> very interesting. let's talk about what trump might do in retaliation this has come out. there hasn't been a response from the white house yet, but what are you thinking the likely response will be? this is britain but i don't know donald trump seems to -- i don't know, what do you think his response might be? >> there'll probably be a tweet but as we said before derek was likely to be removed anyway by the new primer coming in. so whether or not this hastened it is clear it's up to the british government who they'll appoint as ambassador to the u.s. derek is a popular figure here. this is obviously not going to help his standing with the administration which his entire job is to cultivate ties with the white house. if he's seen as becoming less effective, then perhaps they'll remove him faster than perhaps

maybe he would have left. if boris johnson comes in as prime minister it is expected he'll appoint someone new. >> this is double humiliation this week. donald trump is mocked by his friends in russia but the media there mocked his, you know, parade. and you have himself being mocked by the top britain in d.c. >> remember he's already publicly tried to humiliate the mayor of london. he's publicly in both press conferences and twitter humiliated and you have the u.k. and u.s. and there's this

hypocrisy around trump trying to say he's insult bide anyone else speaking the truth about how he actually operates in the white house, but his reaction is predictable. they'll come back fighting. >> and what should we look forward to in this new world of boris johnson plus donald trump, it's quite a difference in these two countries that seem to be leaders of the west, for these two guys to be running these two nations. >> i know. a lot of opeople are making comparisons between boris johnson and donald trump, not just the tussled blonde hair but also the chaotic private life, lots of different children, dubious marital arrangements. boris johnson having a massive row with his girlfriend which was picked up by a recording device with his neighbor and leaked to the newspaper. boris johnson is a guy who likes things blunt, big picture, no detail. boris johnson is the same as trump in that respect. but at the same time big

personality. the big question can he cut through not just the tory party in the country but it british people at large with no deal and have a different deal than theresa may had. boris johnson has set his political future on leaving the european union come hell or high-water by the 31st of october. but a lot of people believe he'll have to walk that back very soon if and when he becomes prime minister, watching him very, very closely indeed. >> what a mess. what a mess. >> it is. but it's trump, he loves chaos. >> thank you both. thank you very much and coming up we'll get an insiders account of the culture of border patrol agents in the trump era. that's next. er patrol agents in the trump era. that's next. i switched to liberty mutual, because they let me customize my insurance. and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything, like my bike, and my calves. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,

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in the '80s it was more that was coming across the border and we didn't do this. we allowed the asylum seekers to go through the legal process. we low aed community based agencies to take the lead and show us evidence based approaches to making sure people are in humane conditions, they have medical care, that they are not going to go hungry. i can tell you as a mother of two but also as a child of immigrants, immigrant parents, i know my parents would have done the same thing for me to have a better future. but what our country is doing is creating a generation, a

generation of children that will remember what our country did to them, and that to me i will not vote for something broken and deteriorated and inhumane. >> congresswoman rashida talib moments ago standing by her decision to vote for the border funding bill after she and other democratic lawmakers visited the detention center in clint, texas, which has become the ugly embodiment of the trump administration's immigration policy. "the new york times" out with its own reporting of that facility, and it's describing the situation, as, quote, the stuff of nightmares. outbreaks of scabies, chickenpox were spreading among the hundreds of children being held in cramped cell, agents said. the stench on children's dirty clothing was so strong it spread to the agent's own clothing. people in town would scrunch their noses when they left work. one girl seemed likely enough to kill herself that the agents

made her sleep on a caught in front of them so they could watch her as they were processing new arrivals. there's some of that "the new york times" report. and joining me now nbc news contributor and attorney. jim rudd, senior agent who left the agency and became an immigrant rights aspect and the author of "how to catch a russian spy." you tweeted out the other day, as a former agent i can tell you cruelty is the point, they have the ability to treat families huminty but do not because border patrol does not value the live of immigrants. this is taught in the academy and reinforced by management. please explain. >> thanks for having me on, joy. in the academy they teach agents to use racist terms for migrants. they teach the agents all about, you know, how to keep people out

hut butt they don't necessarily teach them there are asylum seekers and refugees that are coming here and need our help. so border patrol, the fact they're dealing with asylum seekers is unusual. when i was an agent, if somebody claimed asylum, you process their claim and then got them a hearing before a judge. so the fact that they're holding asylum seekers is very odd, but i can also attest to the fact this isn't just happening in texas. this is happening all across the border, and this is happening in san diego, too, because i volunteer at a lot of the shelters here, and i see these asylum seekers get off the department of homeland security buses, and they're telling me that they're being held in the same conditions in the san diego border patrol stations, and they also have lice all in their hair. they are covered with scabies. they're suffering from the flu.

and they're wearing the same clothes that they've been wearing for over a week. and it's just horrible. i've never seen anything like this even as an agent. >> just one moment. i want to go back to something. you're saying that instructors that are teaching people who are going into customs and border patrol are teaching them racist terms for the migrants? they're teaching it to them as, you know, they're studying to become customs and border patrol agents? they're teaching them those words? >> oh, absolutely. in my case i grew up in alabama and i honestly didn't even know what the border patrol was. after i graduated from college i needed a job and someone told me they were hiring. i just assumed it was an fbi or something, and i had never heard of the terms, well, one term at least that we were taught to use for the migrants. they judge you on that as a trainee, if you're not willing to use these terms, if you're not willing to be harsh towards the migrants that you encounter, then you're judged by that.

and that reflects on whether or not they'll retain you. >> wow, let me play one more thing for you, jen. this is the acting department of homeland security this morning. take a listen. >> you just referenced three things that were unsubstantiated, inadequate food, inadequate water and unclean cells. none of those have been substantiated. we have no evidence that children went hungry, first of all. police station cells are not a good place for children. >> had agents raised alarms you had heard about? >> of course we're worried about it. everyone in the tire chain of kmanld was worried about the situation for children. the big point was to move in to hhs. >> was he telling the truth? >> i don't think so. and if you look at their own tweets i want to say they're not. if you look at the day before a chief at thetusen sector in arizona showed a video how beautiful and clean their cells

were, and that they had a plenty of food and diapers for children and everything was just hunky-dory and beautiful. and then within not even 24 hours you turn around and the chief of the u.s. border patrol is claiming that they've been trying to get congress and she says specifically democrats to listen to them and give them more money and everything's out of control. and they're trying to do the best they can and they're overrun. so which is it? it seems they're giving two different messages here. >> let me read you a bit of this horrifying story that i thought, you know, tried to be quite fair to the border patrol people, to put it kindly. and this is one line of it. we had nine agents processing, two agents in charge of care, and we can't carry them or change diapers. we do ask the older juvenile, the 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds for helping out

with that. that was their justification. one said one had taken her medicine for her infant son who had a fever, did they throw away anything else she was asked of her. everything she replied. they threw away my baby's diapers, formula, bottles and clothes. they through away everything. the baby's fever came back and she begged the agents for medicine. who came you to come back to america anyway, one of the agents said according to her account. these women are reporting being verbally abused and having their kids medicine being taken. is that legal? >> just as an overview i want people to understand if you are undocumented and in this country without authorization you do have constitutional rights. unfortunately the real e reality

of our system is there's a tremendous gulf between the rights that exist in principle and theory and the reality on the ground. just by way of putting this in context the whole-country is outraged by what's happening and people are saying kaenlcan't we something, can't we sue these guards and dhs? there was a case a couple years ago, after 9/11 there were a group of muslim men rounded up in brooklyn, subjected to inhumane conditions. these men were beaten, and they sued their guards, the metropolitan center in brooklyn and their doj officials and when it reached the supreme court, the supreme court said no and ruled for the defends. they said well, they're seeking money damages and we don't want to weigh in on this and used the justification this was a climate of fear and they would not hold those officials accountable. one of the those officials basically bailed out by the supreme court was robert mueller

who's now head of the fbi. and that's at the highest level of the supreme court. there is cause -- there's some room for hope and causes of action but it takes an enormous amount of resources. >> can the families of the dead sue these people? >> they can, but it's a very difficult situation when you're dealing with agencies that are in total noncompliance in terms of providing records, names of agents, providing details about how and what things happened. that's the very difficult part of it. it's a herculean task to cut through the culture of secrecy. and protections are in place and rules like that, but that's the tragedy of our immigration system. >> let's talk about the international system. when you read through some of the things written on these secret border patrol facebook groups, one joking about the dects of migrants, discussed throwing burritos at latino

members of congress visiting a detention center in texas on monday, it sounds a lot like the dehumanization making the iraq comparison. it sounds very similar. is there international law that applies here? >> you're right. it's dehumanization and awful. we're not part of the international criminal court. we've withdrawn from the u.n. human rights commission, so where does that leave us? it leaves us being able to say this i believe in my personal capacity, someone who spent 13 years in the intelligence community i think we're approaching the point of calling this crimes against humanity. this is not like sort of targeted dehumanization, and this sort of process is not what we're supposed to be doing. >> i guess the question a lot of people are asking as we talk about this now and each week and the question keeps being what can people do? is there some law that applies to this at all? >> i don't think there is. i think this is one of the gaps

that we have, and it's important to understand, joy, how we got here, right? we talk about cpb, and by the way the gentleman in the clip you just aired, he was the acting head of dhs right now. dhs encompasses eight operational agencies that includes secret service, fema, also the coast guard, ins, cpb, tsa. and if you're wondering why all those separate agents that do border patrol customs is separate that's a good question. you have dhs has become this separate entity where their primary bread and butter is immigration. and if they're looking at budget it's going to be immigration numbers. and that has contributed especially with the president coming down here pushing on this. i think what dhs is doing is leaning on cpb to produce immigration numbers. and because what's happened is because of that pressure we're

reaching critical mass. >> the question would be can the conditions these kids are being held in be the basis to get them out of detention? >> there are multiple lawsuits from the aclu, the national justice center. but the problem is these take an enormous amount of time. as i mentioned the administration is not cooperative. there will be probably resolution in these cases, but meanwhile in terms of what's happening right now, next week, next month i would say no. and just by example the flores settlement that guarantees that kids can drink water, kids can see a doctor, that took ten years to win. that's so basic. that's not even being followed right now. >> and doesn't that settlement say 72 hours and you have to be out of detention. >> long haul. >> it's a very long haul. it sounds like these agents are operating outside the law. do they understand there's no consequences to what they're doing? is that part of the reason we're seeing this is because the agents understand there's literally no consequences to

what they're doing? >> absolutely they know there are no consequences. i mean i think since the statistics show since 2010 at least 80 individuals have been killed by united states border patrol, and not a single agent has even served so much as a day off for this. and so this is what's become normal down here on our border, and for the citizens and community that are here is it's been so militarized that nobody has a say so in this community how things are done because border patrol -- nobody ever holds border patrol responsible, and i think it's just going to unfortunately keep continuing and there's going to be more deaths and more children are going to die. and at one point are we going to say enough is enough -- at some point we have to do something. we're talking about peoples lives. >> when cruelty is the point, this is what you get. thank you very much. not good news.

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gamesmanship without much serious regard to the consequence, and i think that's what we've seen in this president. >> senator calm lah harris said that about trump's policies in iran two weeks ago and she could not have been more correct according to iranian officials. tehran is prepared to increase in uranium enrichment. when asked to address the situation on monday trump returned to a favorite theme, fire and fury. only not about his new friends in north korea. here he is. >> mr. president, any message to iran? >> no, no message to iran. they know what they're doing, what they're playing with and i think they're playing with fire. >> more "am joy" after the break. with fire. >> more "am joy" after the break. so by the time i get there i can just enjoy the ride. with tripadvisor, it's easy to discover over 100,000 bookable things to do,

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now, was i wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that i was praising those men who i successfully opposed time and again? yes, i was. i regret it. and i'm sorry for any of the pain or misconception i may have caused anybody. >> after more than a week of defiant interviews joe biden switched gears on saturday as he sought to cotterize the damage from his remarks last month reminiscing about working with

southern segregationist during the 1970s. biden thought to refocus the conversation on his civil rights record and the years he spent working alongside president barack obama. >> they don't want to talk much about moy time as vice president of the united states. it was the honor of my lifetime to serve with a man who i believe is a great president and historic figure and most importantly to me, a close friend emphasis i was vetted by he and ten serious lawyers he appointed and he selected me. i'll take his judgment about my record, my character, my ability to handle a job over anyone else's. >> joining me now is political consultant jimmy williams and pollster cory belcher who is the author of "a black man in the white house." and here was cory booker responding to biden's change of

tone. >> i felt just grateful that he is now seeking to his past in a way with more candor and sense of regret for the things he supported. none of us are perfect. all of us make mistakes. we need leaders who have the courage to show vulnerability. >> so is this done? this piece of vetting of joe biden that has gone on, and he's the one who said the thing, it's not like people have just found the thing, he said it. is this done? >> i think this is big question. it seems to me other campaigns want to move up this topic. i think what you see, though, is you're absolutely right. the vice president said these remarks. i think the energy around these remarks really were about his seeming support of segregationists would have been probably a lot smarter to just apologize two weeks ago.

it would have taken away this debate moment from kamala harris. he didn't do that. i think he's recognized now it's really not acceptable in the democratic party to defend working with segregationists. and he's moving up, and he is also making the point that he was vetted by barack obama who saw all of these things. so i think you'll see in the next day or so my sense from the other campaigns is they've sort of seen what's happened here and are moving on but we'll see in the next day or so. >> let me play for you, jimmy, this was joe biden today and he's gone kind of back to talking -- i guess he was asked about the whole working with segregationists thing. here's what he said. >> i chose to work wen tithin t system to make it better to get things done among the least among us. was i wrong to do that ini don't

think so. >> it was interesting from the same speech in south carolina yesterday, there's a way in which joe biden was chosen by barack obama to be his running mate because he provided a certain kind of credibility to a certain kind of voter who have thought he was being exotic, and i thought president obama should pick him for that reason, he was going to give him that credibility with a group of voters who might not have been as comfortable with obama without joe biden. he kind of relates to people who thought that way about busing in the '70s. those people vote, and those things now hurt biding in modern democratic politics. it's a weird thing happening to him. >> i wouldn't disagree with that, but i would say this, any senator, any democratic senator working in the united states senate in the 1970s, early '80s

you're going to find racist in those parties. think about it, america was still a remarkably racist country at that time. by the way, still is to a large degree. the question is what has he done? what is his entire record? i think biden screwed the pooch on this one and did not handle it well. he did the right thing yesterday, it was a long time coming. but in the end i don't think it's going to hurt him that badly down here in south carolina. he's still polling very well with african-american voters, in fact i would suggest there would be a large majority who would say he did the right thing by apologizing and we're still going to be with him. the question is about what about the early states, iowa and new hampshire and others? i don't know about that. i can't tell you about those voter voters. >> i've seen in my twitter feed even having this zz about him at

all, there is a sense there is a kind of voter that related to biden a bit sees him as a regular person even in his views on race over time. what's going on inside this democratic race right now? where do you see it? >> i have no idea what's going on inside the democratic party. i do think long-term this is problematic for joe biden. the idea you're going to pull out segregationist to talk about, you know, how we should deal with the negro problem and using chains and bullets and guns, the problem is -- he took too long to address it. the problem is, you know, i sat in focus groups with younger african-americans who voted for barack obama in 2012 and going into 2016. and i heard them time and time again, joy, talk about super predator and how this was disqualifying for hillary clinton and how they were going to protest their vote and not vote for hillary clinton. >> and by the way, that was one of the things the ira, the

internet research agency was pushing and pushing into black feeds. >> that's absolutely right, and i think this is the same moment where you have this sort of issue around racial issues that does not sit well with a congregate of younger african-american voters. this is how he got the 51% and i think sort of long-term for joe biden -- may not beshirt-term but long-term for joe biden i think this is going to be problematic. >>erary quickly here because it does feel a tiny bit like clinton-obama '08 a little in the sense the person everyone presumed was african-americans sort of favorite democrat, the clintons were beloved by a lot of people in the african-american community. but once it got to the point of south carolina and they saw they were losing grip of it, right, then there were certain things said. there was a break that happened when people said i can have this

guy who's an african-american, the first real black president. do you feel a little of that in this race? >> that's exactly why i think it was right for biden to say what he said and probably should have said it earlier, which is that he has to say, you know, particularly now with trump there's a line around racism and every democrat has to be very clearly on one side of that. and i think the vice president has some attributes hillary didn't even have in 2008 and then served for barack obama which is var different. i do want to address something cornell said and this is an important point that goes back which is if democrats have not learned some lessons from 2016 about how republicans are going to use to demobilize them then we haven't heard any lessons. and so i really hope going forward we recognize every

democrat is going to be attacked, and here biden had to prove he was actually on it right side of it, and i'm glad he said the right thing yesterday. >> would you rather have your kanld dt vetted by friendlies in the primary or vetted by donald trump in the general? >> you finally after 11 years stumped me, joy reid. >> let's talk about pete buttigieg. he had an interesting exchange. apparently this person might have been tracking candidates trooing trooing to embarrass them. this was in iowa. >> just tell the black people of south bend to stop committing crime and doing drugs. >> sir, i think racism is not going to help us get out of this. >> the fact that a black person

is four times as likely as a white person to be incarcerated for the exact same crime is evidence of systemic racism. >> i thought it was a strong moment for buttigieg who, you know, his challenge really has been african-american voters so far. there's a poll out now who shoeks who african-american voters are looking for in the favorite candidates. he hasn't been able to break in yet, and i have to say just to correct myself on his town, his town is actually 26% african-american, not 46% african-american. i want to make sure i correct that out there. so he's got a town about a quarter african-american, and there has been this sense he hasn't been able to snow get through to african-american voters. what do you think for him? he's raised a ton of money. he's obviously doing well in that aspect of it. what is his challenge to get from the back of the pack with voters to the top tier? >> let's be clear about

something. if you cannot compete strongly for the african-american vote you cannot be the democratic nominee. if you cannot come first, second or third or maybe a close fourth in is going to determine who's going on in this thing for the long-term because that person competes for african-american votes. when bernie sanders could not compete african-american votes, if race was over. if buttigieg can't compete for african-american voters, the race is over. it has been a top tier issue concern for half of americans. it is fair for african-americans to look at what's happening at south bend and look at what's happen ing in this country. if he can't squat squashes in sou south bend, can i trust him to

be president of the united states. i like the fact that he used the term systematic racism. i welcome it into the debate. >> let me go to my south carolina guys. when i was down there, there were big camps for a few candidates. k cory booker has a lot of support there and kamala harris, a huge reception even at the festival, kamala harris has a big group of supporters. it is a tough race to get into the top four. those four are in the solid for african-american voters. what is buttigieg doing in your state to change that? >> he's been a couple of times. if he want to win, he's got to come to south carolina. you don't get the black vote by blowing off the black vote inside south carolina. i suggest he needs to go into

these churches and historical african-american churches down here and sit with us parishioners and talk to them. talk about his faith. he's christianity. older black voters, they're not going to forgive him. they won't be as willing to forgive him for being gay, they'll have a problem with him if he does not ask for their vote and talk about his faith christianity. younger black voters, they don't care. they don't see homosexuality. he'll have to appeal with young americans. that goes back to cornell, if you can't fix his problems with south bend, how is he going to do that across the country. with older ones, get in those churches and talk to them and relate to them and talk about faith. younger ones, i have no idea how he does it. >> cornell, your response to

that? >> that's spot on. we'll see more younger people voting in the primaries this time around so that may help them. to that mother and 45 and up mothers who's in church, twice or three times a week. if you can't speak to her, it is going to be hard for you to compete in south carolina. >> south carolina has become the candidacy killer. you can slip and the person that goes into that race, you either make it there or you don't. let's talk as non-white dude. let's talk about kamala harris. kamala harris said something pretty strong that she has a challenge and all three of you guys can talk about this. on the one hand being a prosecutor, on the other hand, she's leaning into the prosecutor thing with trump. here she is talking about donald trump at the festival.

are you convinced that you are ready for the fight if you are the nominee with this kind of president? >> i am ready. i am going to tell you, we have a predator living in the white house. [ applause ] >> he has predatory instincts and a predatory nature. >> so that works in a sense there where she could twist the prosecutor thing in the sense of -- i hear people say she will prosecute trump. >> i think this has been brilliant. making the case that she's the best prosecutor of trump. she was saying that for many weeks. she did a big speech at the cio and other groups where she's been making this case and she's the best prosecutor. what happens in the debate and why she took off afterwards is that she demonstrated that she can prosecutes the case against trump. i think this is a big asset for

her. i totally believe she needs to answer every question about her record but i think overall, the democratic party is looking for a fighter against trump. they recognize he plays dirty. he's actually like a criminal so actually acting, resting on your prosecu prosecute strengths. >> let's go to the polls here. biden is still the highest and he's going down for there. bernie sanders, he's considered to be a socialist. is kamala harris part of her strength, her polls are showing that generic democrats can do well. >> i hate this line because frankly i think it is sexest,

the woman got to be ready. can a woman beat donald trump? men lose all time. we never have to answer this question. we should be asking all those men running, are they ready to beat donald trump? >> i agree. i think actually biden was not ready. i think this is not a question for women. i think it is a question for every single democrat. >> can i get an amen. >> quickly. >> i want to chime in a women did beat donald trump, her name is hillary clinton. >> fair. 3 million votes. >> thank you very much. jimmy will be back the next hour. more "am joy" after the break. b.

if you are an american watching this and it does not matter how you felt about the president before this speech. it was beautiful. it was incredible. >> many of his critics say he's going to make it like him. there is no better day for the 4th of july to go to our country to say this is what we fought out. >> all of the stupid freak out, this is the stupidest of all time. >> it was a great speech.

it was moving to see all these fighter jets flying and our mitigation's capitol was amazing. >> wow. welcome back to "am joy." donald trump's big spectacle on the 4th of july, the salute to donald trump, oh, i am sorry, the salute to america was beautiful. it was incredible. that was the reaction donald trump wanted for the event he dreamed off in the last two years. the only major network to cover the network wall to wall dedicating a two-hour block for his campaign event. expose the anti-american core of the modern left. there is a big difference between democrats and leftest. democrats share the love of the country and the american experience. >> leftists believe america is

in a bad place. >> that puts them in a position where they are against america. >> the left does not love the 4th of july. they love ballistics with the flag. >> the commentary during the video. i want to say right now is kind of epic. joining me now is eric holder and jennifer ruben and michelle bernard. i am going to start with the giggly fella. even lou dobbs was so angry. i don't know what he's talking about. this was interesting. this was one time because

normally we'll do the media segment, we talk about how the media is falling back and did not cover it. it is a step forward. >> it was a campaign event. >> it was a commercial and red state parade basically. the speech was unnewsworthy. we have bipartisan 4th of july event in washington, d.c. this maniac event did not have to be covered. but, we saw the reaction, part of the entire event was just to create a backlash. the liberal media did not cover. they spend ten or $20 million. in this instance. i think the coverage was good and they pulled back. this was kind of a joke. how angry trump is. he does this thing, the idea

that it does not get covered the way he wanted, how angry do you think he is? >> the fact that he tweeted how heavy the attendance was and flawless and we know the misstatements. >> you don't remember when george washington flew over the airport? >> the setting for this. the lincoln memorial, trump has tried since the beginning of h is presidency to associate himself with abraham lincoln. it would be more synchronize for trump to say he's like the great hamilton. he lacks a sense of humility and the reality of who he really is. he's essentially a showman. >> he got mocked by the

russians. they mocked him. >> they said it was you know low energy. they used his own insults to insult his speech. >> it is hard when the home office gets upset with you. >> it is. >> demoralizing. >> i thought it was interesting because it actually reenforces this is huge gender divide that donald trump has created. for donald trump, america is about wars and about winning and it is about crushing the opposition. there is no sense of goodness of grace or willingness to take in the huddle masses. this is a huge gender divide. women do not like this talk of water or militarization over the 4th of july. as a generalization, this is exactly why women hate him. it is all about him and it is

all about war. it is all about him puffing himself up. it is all about the former draft dodgers and wrapping himself in the flag. it is instruction to see how narrow a base he is. it is not just white men. it is not just white evangelical men. it is evangelical men who are upset of weapons. he narrowed his base so and i think there is a large segment of women in america, we saw this in 2018, i think we'll see this in 2020 who has just had it. they do not want to see them. >> it is interesting to make that point of the split screen of the trump administration of donald trump's obsession creating military backdrop. now he wants to be the military sort of autocrat. if you are a woman voter right now, that's what you are seeing. those two images.

>> well, you see those two images. i wanted to point out going into the segment. this wraps up to everything we are talking about. one of the russian reporters covering the salute to america literally tweeted out a statement that read "putin's america." it goes hand and hand with the split screen you are talking about. i am not confident that women, white women who are looking at the spectacle are less incline to vote donald trump. a white woman voted for him overwhelmingly in 2016. there is been a lot of reporting coming outs of spectacle of white women who watched the entire event. one woman had tears in her eyes. one woman said she felt so good about the country and that it shows that america cares and america is strong. so i think that we are going to

see some divisions within american women within the white women voting base and i still believe there are a lot of women, white women who are going to go out and vote for trump. there are white women and black women whose sons have fought in wars and have spoken out because they believe that donald trump is strong and they like the spectacle. >> he got 52%. he didn't win white women overwhelming. >> that's a lie. if white women had voted the way they did, donald trump would not have been elected. >> there is a huge gap. those women are now double digits in some polls now favoring a democrat. that's a remarkable demographic. they can't win without white

women. if they have lost those people in the suburbs, primarily college educated women, they are in deep trouble. evangelical women? no, they prioritize their religion and race. for non evangelical white women, we are seeing a tremendous shift. i think we should not be blind to it either. it is a remarkable revolution. >> did donald trump ever imagine that his base of support, his people were going to be white evangelicals, the hyper religious. christian nationalists than anything else and the folks that are his base. donald trump seem to want to be with the elite of manhattan and now he's with the opposite. >> he's always appealed t to -- he's the white working classes idea of what they would be if they became a rich guy. that was you know when he ran

casinos. what's who he appealed to. the new twist, evangelicals, it still amazes me that people defines himself by christianity supports someone who almost everyday does unchristian things. >> yes. >> and bbut the other thing is he's hyper aware he appeals t's to men. you do not need to bring national hardware on a national holiday to show that you are powerful. >> here is interesting of the base. if you look at the salute to america on 4th of july. his base could not get vip ticket. the tickets sitting close to donald trump were handed out to

the white house and by the republican national committee. his base was at the very back. they did not sit close to donald trump. you know talk about divided. many of these people will still go and vote for him in 2020 and think he's their guy. >> the interesting part of creating that has been the conservative media has been very focused on doing this kind of -- you're sort of average white guy. this is for you. that's for you. >> right. >> the kids in cages, don't worry about that. this is all displays to show that this party is for you even when the actual policies are where the people got those vip tickets. trump is not pulling at 32% because of the conservative media. and in a way they never really did for bush, just decades or so ago. >> they are reading the press relief so.

>> but, this glorification, that's propping him up perman t permanently. and creating this idea that he is your working class hero. >> yes, i want to come to you on this question, too, michelle. while donald trump's people are watching his reality, the rest of the country is watching, too. i wonder if because there is not the same kind of focus kind of messaging coming out of the other side. whether or not we can still watch people, see it all and throw up their hands as he's getting away with everything, what they see on the media is also -- i wonder if there is a worry because the other side does not have the same kind of fixated media presence in people's brain that the right does that trump can do quite well in 2020, win again. >> unfortunately, that's a distinct possibility.

after the last presidential debate, it looks like a large segment of the country got very excited and feels active and feels like they have some real skin in the game and all 21 or however candidates there are are going to have to keep that momentum up in order to get the democratic base out and voting because whether the department of justice or the republican-led senate, donald trump is basically getting away with everything that he does and so the democratic base has to be able to speak to people and say we can change this. this is what we stand for and this is how we can make your life better and this is how we can change this corrupt government that we can have at this point in time. >> there is a sense that this male dominated message that donald trump puts out, he's the macho leader of the united states that sort of put himself almost at sort of an autocrat. i wonder if this is also the way

by saying the other sides hate americans and he pulls back in some republicans who may otherwise walked away. he pulls people back in. one guy left in congress. the rest of them are all still there. this media thing we saw does it help him? >> it helps him. if you are the white male, for example, who's sitting back and looking at an increasingly diverse america and you are believing that either women are taking away your jobs that there is not a place for white males or that the country is anti-white male then donald trump is your man. he's rogue. he's a womenizanizerwomanizer. he's a surrogate masculinity for them and others who i suspect

will not come out and speak against donald trump even if they are against his values and his policies because they fear either financial ruin or political ruin. we saw so many people came out of donald trump who did not get elected or they suffered one loss after another. that's another reason to sit back and helps somebody else to take care of ts care of the pro. >> do you agree with that jennifer? >> the tax cuts work for some. the negative imagery going back to the cold war and those lefties out there. we are a different country. this is why you are critical for democrats not to pick someone because of their placement on the ideological spectrum but speak one that can speak to the other america the diverse real america out there. if they get someone like that,

that's a race. if they get someone that's a middlist who can't articulate a message to trump, they'll be in trouble. >> a b plus. >> i needed eric to say that that the media did a good job. thank you guys very much. timothy and eric holder, we'll be back on the show. one of donald trump's friend is sitting in jail this morning. more "am joy." orning more "am joy." the good news? our comfort lasts all day. the bad news? so does his energy. new depend® fit-flex underwear offers your best comfort and protection guaranteed. because, perfect or not, life's better when you're in it. be there with depend®. tthe bad news? ouyour patience might not.ay. new depend® fit-flex underwear offers

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a judge in florida ruled when alexander acosta, the billionaire accused of sexually abusing more than 30 under age girls at his palm beach mansion. >> we were talking to people on the phone. one foot slipped over, he said okay, you can go ahead and take off your shirt. >> finally it looks like the law and karma have caught up with trump's pal and long suspected pedophile, jeffery epstein. he was arrested last night at a

new jersey airport on federal sex trafficking allegations involving dozens of victims. according to one senior law enforcement officials, entrepreneepstein paid minors for sex acts. for epstein, he was surrounded by rich people. trump called a friend, this is a second go around of law enforcement. as you just heard he was accused of preying on children back in 2007. he had a lenient plea deal. joining me now, former prosecutor and our civil rights attorney, lisa bloom. ladies, thank you for being here. cynthia. i am going to go to you first. this is the sdny that picked up jeffery epstein. how do we know that he does not -- i am going to redo a tweet.

it is just speculation but let me find it here. it is frank figlizzi. ag barr oversees the u.s. attorney's office in new york. so it is possible he could attempt to interfere. there is that. okay, so there is some kind of relationship there, attorney general barr who we know will do anything for donald trump. anything he wants he'll do it. here is what donald trump had to say about jeffery epstein. i have known him for 15 years and he's a terrific guy. he's a lot of fun. he likes beautiful women and many of them are on the younger side. jeffery enjoys his social life. this is his friend. if he decided to tell william barr to intervene, could barr do it? >> barr could do it but there

would be hell to pay. the southern district of new york does not have his reputation for independence for nothing. i am less worried about that that i am somehow he gets bailed and skips the country and we don't find him. that's a bigger threat right now today. >> i think lisa the question a lot of people have is how somebody this is the reputation he has had since the mid 2000s. people have known what he did. how in the world did he get away with it the first time or get a plea that he is still walking out and lands on his private jet and now he gets picked up. a lot of people are shocked about that. >> he got away with it for exactly the reasons you are pointing out that he's got a lot of powerful friends. he's a billionaire at the highest levels and people decided to chum up with him and take his side and gave him a sweetheart deal. now in 2019 are we starting to see a little tiny glimmer of accountab accountability. there is only one count against

him when you consider dozens of his alleged victims had been saying for years that they need accountability and justice. they have been upheld and only one count of sex trafficking. i hope there is more than that. >> we were too aggressive? i am not sure what he means about that. this guy was notorious. let me read you a statement and let you comment on that, cynthia, here is a statement from a lawyer for epstein's alleged victim. epstein should have been charged 12 years ago in florida. he was able to buy delay and facing justice. he was not able to postpone justice forever. >> is it correct? given the fact that he does have all that money and so many

powerful friends including the president of the united states that he'll face cowith it. >> if there are statues that we think and depending on the counts. they have hymigh mandatory minimums and the whole world is looking at that. we can thank the miami harold to bring it to light. it was absolutely wrong. it was an abusive power by alex acosta. he should not be the labor secretary. republicans knowing he had done this continually voted locked steps to confirm him and now we get some republicans like ben sass from nebraska oh, it is a wonderful thing that he's indicted. ben sass knowing this was true voted for alex acosta. then i guess the question also, lisa, this guy obviously is a

rich and powerful man who knows rich and powerful people. could he try to use what he may know of other people that may have committed similar crimes that he may partied with and culpable. >> he'll absolutely use that and his high power of lawyers and will use everything at his disposal. the other side of this is the victims. one of the reasons that was given a decade ago from his sweetheart deal was that his victims had problems and potentially drug issues and inconsistency. i work with sexual assault victims everyday including sex trafficking cases. that's always the case. this is a vulnerable population. it is up to the prosecutors to get as many as possible and go through their lives and help them testify and stand up against the billionaire. i hope that's going to happen

this time around. >> can you explain cynthia, why these are federal charges? if he's somehow able to beat these charges here, could for instance the state of florida or state of new york or some state take up these cases? >> right. >> some states could take up the cases and the great fear because they are federal charges that he could be pardoned by trump. the advantage of going federally is to get the fbi involved because they have resources. we are talking about a case with him that are some where between 20 and 100 different girls have been abused. i will say this. because i am so proud of being a federal prosecutor and the work that i did as a sex kicrimes prosecutor and my fellow prosecutors. in this miami case, what happens was federal prosecutors and state prosecutors treated these girls like dirt. they did not respect their rights and twereated them like

they're low-level hookers so they did not deserved to be heard. they lied to their lawyers. it was out rage yorageous of wh did. we can thank "the miami harold" for bringing it to light. >> good law enforcement. we'll see and hopefully there will be actual justice for these young girls. >> justice is coming, joy. >> that's right. >> i am going to keep poking alive. >> it is sunday, cynthia and lisa. thank you both very much. >> coming up. the congressman will be here to tell us what she saw when she visited the migrant center including children on the southern border, that's next. o southern border, that's next ♪ limu emu & doug

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trump administration accountable. democratic freshman woman gets so many attention because they do good things. jonesi jones joining me now is congresswoman presl presley. thank you so much for being here. a little earlier we played a little bit of outside the facility. if you can tell us what you saw when you went into the facility and how you were treated as as member of congress. >> well, it is easy for me to speak to what i saw. i can't unseen what i have seen and unfeel what i felt in that moment. it was devastating and how broken the system is. when we enter in to the cell,

there were all of these women there. when representative ocasio-cortez, they began to speak with great emotion. there were many tears. i don't speak spanish but i am a mom. i don't need to understand or speak spanish to know what they were expressing. what i felt in that space was palpable trauma and tifear and they were concerned of where their children were. >> let me play this is a piece of one of our reporters here did talking about the facility in texas. >> most of the children who i met have not had any opportunity to bathe or shower since crossing the border. >> one of the things we hear a lot is the stench. >> disease is spreading. >> they talk about how hungry

they are. >> the most appalling conditions i have seen in representing children and families who are detained. >> is that what you experienced? children who are hungry and have not showered or did not have enough food. that's what we are reading in the new york times. is that is what you saw as well? >> well, yes, i will confirm all of that. i do want to say that there has been a great reporting on human rights of abuses and violations. i want to underscore that this is an anti-family. it flies in the face of the ideal that being in a place of refuge and a beacon of light. no more to mass deportation and

criminalizi criminalizing, obtaining families. this family separation policy is inhumane and cruel. >> i spoke with the medical professional there and when i express my outrage, women there have not showered in 15 days and i asked him do you think this is a human rights violation and he said it is unpleasant but it is debatable as to whether or not it is a human rights violation or a public health threat. >> wow. >> that's what we are up against. >> the culture is callous and we have to change it. >> and there is a perception i think among ordinary people that there are all these powerful institutions that are supposed to stop wrong doing, right? earlier in the show, i had on an immigration lawyer and someone that works with the fbi and a former and members, they each agree there is not even a necessarily a courts of appeali

accountability for what is done to these families. you voted against the bill to give more money to the agencies but without any demands or protection for the kids in it. can you explain that why you guys are getting shamed for those of you who are not voting for the bill and really more of not voting for your caucus, what protection are there if congress can't demand administration take human care of these families. >> sure, i will just say that this is an issue of consequence to our country but of the district that i represent, massachusetts 7, i am committed to justice and to the preservation of families from the border all the way, my district is 40% immigrant.

and the fear is real and only growing. the abuses of i.c.e. had been felt in my district. i do believe dr. maya angelou says it best. cbp, is the largest law enforcement agency with the least a lot of transparency and accountability. that's why i have been pushing and advocating for and oversight hearing. i do oversight reform committee on the chair of elijah cummings to bring ccp before this committee so we can talk about what's happening of the family separation policy and this corrupt, callous and chaotic culture that's cbp and given the recent story on the facebook

group, it only emboldens me in this advocacy the need for oversight. it is frightening to think that people hold this view of these families are charged with overseeing their welfare and well-being. >> the women in that cell shared with us, one of them, that the cbp were unaware of this. they used very derogatory language in talking to the women and about them. sexes and racist language. it is just a very -- just demoralizing. it was a devastating experience but it was necessary. the policy -- the system is broken. we need a system that supports a legal right to asylum and a port of entry that allows folks to review their case. the system is broken from a through z.

i have been haunted, the women were worried after they told us the truth that they would experience retaliation and everyday i have been thinking about what may be happening to them. >> wow. and while that is happening, sort of a policy from this administration is to try to change the census to also disadvantage communities with immigrants in it. there is two-prong hit on people who are migrants in this country. i want you to listen the akicti director. this is him this morning. >> to know for both voter allocations and their requirements of the voting rights act and frankly as part of the on-going debate about how we deal with both financially and legally with the burden of those who are not here legally. that's a relevant issue and for my agency, uscis, we deal with

legal immigration in addition to things like asylum and knowing where to put our resources, makes us more efficient as well. >> that's him on friday. that sounds like the administration would like to use a census question to try to further defund anything to do with migrants of this country. that seems to be why they want the questions to end. >> i mean again i certainly oversight a reform community and secretary ross did come before our committee. it would be generous to say that he testify and he did whatever cabinet members of this administration does every time they come before us. that's to obstruct. it is just -- i am shaking my head because when they are talking about families and contributions that immigrants

making to this country everyday to our community and culture, to our economy, they are certainly not a burden. they are community members. and this is just one more example of the raceist policy that comes out of this administration every single day. this will impact the funding, the allocation of funding to communities that are already marginalized and under resource and under funded because it will contribute to the fear -- and just a general fear. it is everywhere. it is an issue of consequence to my district and that's 40% immigrant and so we have seen up close and personal the abuses of these agencies which are criminalizing families. >> i am out of town. i need to ask you before we go. you're fresh to congress and

getting into this stop. do you think there will be accountability for anyone who are what has been done to these kids? >> we are certainly going to demand it. i know i am. there has to be -- this has just been devastating and heartbreaking and i am just sick and tired of the full freedom of health and safety and black and brown children families being compromised and moderated. i will keep fighting. i will keep fighting.hank you so much for your time. very appreciate it. >> thank you, joy. >> more "am joy" after the break. more "am joy" after the break. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost.

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yes. you know what time it is. it's time to ask my panel other than the airliners who won the revolutionary war, who won the week. back with me, jimmy, michelle and jennifer. >> kamala harris had a great couple meetings in iowa with voters and then she had this block buster speech in new

orleans at the essence festival. so roll tape. >> the fight of black women has always been fuelled and grounded in faith and in the belief of what is possible. that's why why may flew. it's why rosa and claudet sat. it's why i stand here as a candidate for president of the united states. >> okay. but come through jennifer. cutting to tape and everything. that was professional. you won the week. that's fly. let's put michelle on the spot. can you cut to tape? >> i am going to do my best. let's see what's happening backstage. speaking of black women, i have to tell you, joy, a few months

ago earlier this year the united states national women's soccer team played in a soccer tournament called the she believe tournament and christen press who plays on the team wore sir jerner truth. she said it's the original intersectional activist advocating for people who have layers of oppression being black and female. she's the ultimate hero for us centuries later as we grapple with the same problems and try to better our world regarding these complex social issues and for that reason and because of what's been happening at the world cup over the last few weeks, i pick christen press, meghan rappano and the united states national women's soccer team as the winners of the week. they have been absolutely amazing. they are fearless. they have won more games. they have commanded more viewers. they have produced more revenue. they are a shining example of

what excellence is. the importance of title ix and why women deserve to be paid equal to men in soccer. >> here here, and don't turn the channel but they're playing the netherlands right now. we'll finish who won the week. put it in a smaller box. it's halftime. you can't turn anyway. they are awesome, and i'm sorry, men, but women's soccer better than men's soccer. i'm just saying. let's go onto jimmy williams. i almost pity you. because you now have to tell us your version of who won the week. >> don't pity the fool. no. here's the deal. everything that they just said is exactly right. i'm going to take it a step further. i'm going to go younger. 15-year-old coco gauff. she is fabulous, fierce, classy, good athlete. she's the youngest qualifier to

ever qualify for wimbledon. she's slaying it on the court. she does press conferences and i love her. that's the future of women's tennis in the world, and she's an american. that makes me so proud. she beat one of her idols, venus williams. she beat her. let's give it up for these young girl who is are out there slaying it on sports fields all across the country and across the world and making america really look fantastic. i love it. >> absolutely. and what she said about beating her idol and going up to her and saying you're the reason i'm here, it was so moving. >> i cried. yeah. >> so classy and adorable and yes. these are all good answers. so i'm going to go in a completely different direction. my answer is not heroic, but listen, if you create a meme and become a meme, i got to say that you won the week. let us roll tape right now of darla myles. you may not know her name, but you will know the memes she's

created. she works for wabc channel 7 in new york city. she was at port authority bus terminal on an overturned truck story and here's what happened. >> the height of the rush hour commute and there's going to be lots more confusion until this whole thing wraps up. >> that's my mood for the rest of the year. jimmy, michelle, and jennifer, all of you won the week. thank you very much. go darla, go. more a.m. joy after the break. oh my, this heinz mayonnaise is so creamy, one day you'll tell your grandkids about it. and they'll say, "grandpa just tell us about humpty dumpty". and you'll say, "he broke his pelvis or whatever, now back to my creamy heinz mayonnaise". heinz mayonnaise, unforgettably creamy. my mom washes the dishes... ...before she puts them in the dishwasher. so what does the dishwasher do?

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that is our show for today. up next richard louis? it's good to see you. >> great to see you. thank you so much. i enjoyed your show. i'll see you next weekend. >> good day to all of you it is high noon in the east. 9:00 in the west. welcome. new polls today that show how the president fares against the top democratic candidates. new threats from the president to deport migrants families here in the united states illegally. how soon the ice operation could start. plus -- >> people ask me about in this climate, you know, how do you find it in yourself to go high, and here's the thing. going high is a long-term strategy. >> michelle obama speaking at the essence festival and what