that is our show for today. up next richard louis? it's good to see you. >> great to see you. thank you so much. i enjoyed your show. i'll see you next weekend. >> good day to all of you it is high noon in the east. 9:00 in the west. welcome. new polls today that show how the president fares against the top democratic candidates. new threats from the president to deport migrants families here in the united states illegally. how soon the ice operation could start. plus -- >> people ask me about in this climate, you know, how do you find it in yourself to go high, and here's the thing. going high is a long-term strategy. >> michelle obama speaking at the essence festival and what she said also about the former

president and when he'll endorse any of the 2020 contenders. >> already happening this hour, 2020 candidates trying to appeal to a critical voting block. african americans. joe biden is campaigning in south carolina and south bend indiana mayor pete buttigieg is set to address a crowd. joe bide and poll jazzed for reminiscing about his working relationship with southern segregationist. and he's facing criticism. then there's mayor pete being criticized for how he's handled the fatal shooting of one black man by a white police officer in his city. road warriors are covering every moment of the campaign trail. mike and shaquille. we'll start with mike. what's the assessment today on a

sunday a day later. we spoke yesterday when the announcement came in the afternoon in terms of why he apologi apologized now and what's the effect? >> well, the vice president is finished up a two-day visit in south carolina attempting to protect and reinforce what has been really the bedrock of his support, african american voters. this morning he attended church services here. he talked about that 2015 church massacre at another church here in charleston. mother e manual church. he reinforced that connection he has to president obama saying how that was one of his most moving moment in all eight years. a fascinating moment where one of the oh fish i can'ts after he spoke offered a prayer thanking

for the fact that biden apologized. yesterday he apologized for the comments a few weeks ago about working with segregationist senators. let's listen to what the vice president said yesterday. >> was i wrong a few weeks ago? to somehow give the impression to people that i was praising those men who i successfully opposed time and again? well, yes, i was. i regret it. i'm sorry for the pain or misconception that may have caused anybody. that misstep defined 50 years of my record for fighting for civil rights, and racial justice in this country. i hope not. >> the biden campaign advisers told me about this speech yesterday saying that it was really an opportunity a clarifying moment for joe biden to make it clear to his opponents he's not going to let

the attacks, the smears even from his opponents about his record be unchallenged. of course, who else is paying attention to all this very closely? president trump. we saw a tweet from him this morning. i'll read about this episode. he says sleepy joe biden just admitted he worked with segregationist and separately has already been very plain about the fact that he will be substantially raising everyone's taxes. biden also yesterday saying one of the first things he would do is reverse the trump tax cuts saying he would use the money for among other things investing in education. and so one other point biden is hitting hard is he is perhaps the strongest democrat to take on trump. and we saw a poll showing he's the only candidate with a double digit lead against donald trump in the election. >> 14 percentage points. mike with joe biden running for president. a democratic nomination as well. appreciate it.

let's go to shaquille brewster live in new orleans where mayor pete buttigieg is speaking this hour. can he bring over those who are critical of his understanding of race relations in america? >> he will definitely try. that's what you're hearing from a lot of the candidates here. a clear focus on black women and they're importance in the democratic party and as you mention mayor pete will take the stage in a few minutes. this has been a week of african american outreach for mayor pete. he started in chicago speaking to the coalition talking about a douglas plan for black america. we're going to hear a little bit of that from him today. he is the final of six candidates to speak here at essence fest. kamala harris and mayor de blasio. many are appreciative so many of the candidates are coming out to speak to him directly.

listen to what a few of them told me earlier. >> we all love it. >> why do you think they're coming to essence fest? >> because black people are here. they want to reach the black vote, they need to go where the black people are. >> you want to see black outreach? >> absolutely. >> by all means. >> why is that? >> because they need the black vote, and the black women vote. >> and mayor pete will be announcing a new plan to help women entrepreneurs and underserved communities. that's what many are hearing specifics on the candidates. you heard from kamala harris announce a 1 $00 billion plan for housing. you heard elizabeth warren announce executive actions she would take. they're getting the direct focus on presidential candidates here to speak to them at essence fest. >> as we look at the shift in the black vote support, the poll from this past week showing things tightening up a bit, then

yesterday as you heard from mike, joe biden puts out an apology and says i apologize. that was a big question for those who were critical of his comments about two segregationist senators. has that resonated at all there at essence fest? >> i can tell you the apology hasn't trickled it's way down to the regular people. one thing i noticed, and this is what i noticed as kamala harris was on stage speaking. this is her room. this is a festival for black women. this is the largest annual gathering of black women in the country. there was a lot love for kamala harris. many people were hearing her policies for the first time. it shows you that although people know the candidates and are getting familiar, they're not following the day today happenings of this presidential election. there's a lot of respect for vice president biden. we see that in his support. his front runner status is on the support of african americans who appreciate what he did and his service under the obama

administration. in terms of the day today debates, they're not making their way down to regular people, at least not at this point. >> all right. shaquille, our road warrior. thank you. we'll talk to you soon. also new today. the trump administration defends the deplorable and inhumane detention conditions of immigrants including many unaccompanied children. detailed dangerous overcrowding causing a ticking time bomb. the squallered conditions has has been reported most recently six journalists from the new york times reported about the detention center in clint, texas. they say outbreaks of scabies, shingles, and chickenpox were spreading among the hundreds of children who were being held in cramped cells, agents said. the stench of the children's dirty clothing was so strong it spread to the agent's own

clothing. people in town would scrunch their noses when they left work. the children cried constantly. one girl seemed likely enough to try to kill herself that the agents made her sleep on a cot in front of them so they could watch her as they were processing new arrivals. those conditions will be the focus of a hearing the house oversight committee is planning to hold friday. the acting border patrol chief has been asked to testify there and so has the acting homeland security secretary stand big his claim that the allegations were unsubstantiated. >> why did you call those allegations unsub stanchuated? >> because there's adequate food and water and the facility is cleaned every day. because i know what our standards are and i know they're being followed because we have tremendous levels of oversight. i'm not denying there are challenging situations at the border. i've been the one talking about it the most. what i can tell you is there's adequate food, water, and the reason the children were at clint station in the first place

is so they could have medical consolidated. shower facilities for over a year. >> the only republican member of congress whose district does run along the border with mexico including the clint detention center which we've been talking about says the focus should be on getting more resources there. >> these facilities shouldn't hold anybody for any length of time let alone children. we should be handling people with care and humanity when they are in our custody. the solution here is we need ice and hhs to have additional resources. especially when it comes to caring for children. there is a lack of trust between congressional democrats and the executive branch but that doesn't change the reality that we're dealing with right now. facilities, people that are overwhelmed. >> meanwhile a brand new poll offering mixed results according to a poll by "the washington post" and abc news, the president reached his highest

approval rating propelled by a strong u.s. economy but there's lower approval ratings on other issues including immigration, health care, gun violence and climate change, to mention a few. on the race or 2020 the poll found that joe biden leads donald trump by 10 percentage points. four came within the margin of error against the president but all surpassing except kamala harris. and reaction from the trump administration after the president had a threat to round up migrant families around the u.s. fairly soon were the words used. hans, i guess for those reasoning they want to know what does fairly soon mean? >> well, that's a question that's best put to trump administration officials that are making these ominous threats. there are two ways to look at the threats and the white house thinks of them in two buckets. one, they say what they're doing

is not prestaging and telegraphing raids. they say they're going to be removing people in this country unlawfully. now, what we heard earlier from one of the talk shows was this idea that these are people that have detentions and have arrest warrants out on them and they will simply be removed. have a listen. >> if people know that they're coming, that's a threat to officer's safety. realize there's about a million approximately a million people in this country who already have removal orders. they've been all the way through an extremely generous due process pipeline, had removal orders. they don't leave. that are still awaiting removal by ice, and the president commented i don't call these raids. i would agree with him. this is just what ice is supposed to do. >> reporter: so what the president's new director of citizens and immigration

services, what he's talking about there is almost directly contradicting the president saying that if you do give a tipoff that any sort of roundup, whether you call it a roundup or enforcement of the law is coming, that puts law enforcement officers at risk. but he's getting at the magnitude of the problem by saying there's millions potentially that could be subject to the deportation order and the action. but again, the president hinted about this. about 20 days ago earlier in june and drew it back talking about how he has a favor to nancy pelosi, he wasn't going to do that and he hint bfrd he left up for along the white house that this would take place. we're still in a holding pattern trying to figure out what the president's intent is and what enforcement will actually look like. richard? >> all right. hans nichols with the president in berkeley heights, new jersey. thank you. let's bring in jay newton small and charlie savage.

charlie, we've seen this drum being beet befoat before. i guess the question is what's new this time around? >> well, one thing that's new from two weeks ago is congress has passed that $4.6 billion supplemental spending bill with the new money for humanitarian relief, and infrastructure expansion for dealing with detained migrants and the border. one of the reasons we think trump held off on what he was threatening to do before was it would mess up the politics of trying to get that bill through congress. now it's gone through congress. he's free to start rattling his saber again. on the other hand, one of the problems surrounding this has always been not just politics but capacity. they don't have holding cells and the ability to put a million new people in detention. they're already as we've seen on the border strained by the incredible crush of migrants that have been detained already. so it's not clear that they could do large scale roundups in

a short period of time. that makes me wonder whether trump is just rattling his saber even though -- despite the questions about threats to officer's safety because he just likes to send the signal and keep it in the news and make his base happy that something is about to happen even if it's not. >> even if it's not, j newton small. when we look at the democrats and the republicans, there is plenty of criticism to be pointed both ways. jake johnson wrote today in an op ed that hey, democrats, you cannot look at decriminalizing unforced entry as some are suggesting right now. >> richard, absolutely. when you decriminalize it, it gives people incentives to come here and says hey, if it's not a criminal penalty and i'm not going to go to prison for this, what's the penalty in coming here? it would incentivize more and more people to come here, and we're at numbers we haven't seen since the early 2000s.

there's more than 600,000 crossing so far this year which is really up drastically in recent years more than it has been in almost 20 years. so there has to be some sort of incentives that you take or some sort of ways that you sort of try to bring this down. democrats would argue that that is by beefing up support to central america by helping people stay in central america. republicans and trump particularly said no, we're going to cut aid and punish them for not keeping their citizens in their country. >> this is a humanitarian crisis. right? we've seen the pictures. we've seen the reporting. are we forgetting that very core that there are people dying. there are people living, children, doubled up in places, side to side, shoulder to shoulder. you heard the description earlier at the beginning of the program. is that being forgotten in the beltway? >> well, it fuelled the push two weeks ago for that $4.6 billion bill of spending to expand the

ability of cpb and ice and hhs to hold people. i think the politics of this and the extraordinary distrust between democrats and trump over immigration and the sort of blame game that each is pointing at each other over this does tend to obscure the fact that as jay was just alluding to, an enormous surge of people starting around february has come into this border. and the capacity is so overstrained that there is nowhere to put them. that's why we're hearing stories and seeing these pictures. 150,000 almost in may alone up from about 50,000 in may of last year. that gives you a sense of the enormous problem that the country is facing with the migrant surge. >> and i think the numbers at one time for 4,000 a day. is that right at some point was reported by the government? >> we've gone from about 40 to 60,000 a month to 150,000 in may

alone. the capacity is beyond strained. >> jay, you're a story teller in many different ways. how do we get this story out? it's not left or right here yrs clearly. these are about families, young people, on american soil, and they need to be taken care of for all the reasons described by jeh johnson discussing it earlier. how do we discuss it in a way that is human? >> "the new york times" story is so just horrible to read and really moving, but what's really striking about this is that we're really going off of just these pictures, the stories that we're getting painted by border guards talking to newspaper magazine or magazine reporters off the record or on background because of fear for their own jobs. what we're missing is the footage. i think when you start to see people being able to film these things and children being released, being interviewed, talking about the circumstances under which they were kept. when you see the actual

conditions on film, which right now members of congress aren't being allowed to bring cameras in, bring their phones into these centers. lawyers aren't being allowed to film these things. there's a reason. i think that will really jell and solidify the horror and the support of what's actually going on here and get people really really motivated to fix it. >> the president saying fairly soon that there will be wide roundups across the country related to those who are in the united states illegally. we are also seeing the detention centers. and, of course, the humanitarian crisis happen right now. thank you so much. i appreciate your views and expertise. charlie, jay, enjoy the rest of your weekend. >> thank you. the census and the citizenship question, what can congress do to limit the president's pursuit of an executive order? with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory.

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do you think that there will be a citizenship question on the 2020 census. >> i do think so. i think the president has expressed determination. he's noted the supreme court didn't say this can't be asked. they said they didn't appreciate the process by which it came forward the first time. the president is determined to fix that. right now we have -- are recontributing our workload among our district offices and regional offices to level that workload and as it shifts around the country, we shift. and knowing where that work is

coming from is helpful. >> now, the acting chief of the u.s. citizenship and immigration services right there echoing the president who says he is considering executive order to add a citizenship question on the 2020 census still. now, printing of the census has already started without that question. the supreme court rejected the administration's stated reason as contrived but government lawyers may still provide a different rationale. joining us now a democrat from missouri and a member of the homeland security committee. representative, great to speak with you again. what do you think will happen with this push that the president we don't have a lot of specifics necessarily, be that he might move forward in trying to get this question as part of the process as an addendum. >> our democracy was designed so there would be no branch of the government in charge so as to

make the other two branchs irrelevant. and what we just saw is that the president is saying essentially i'm going to disregard what the supreme court said one of the branchs of the government said and i'm going to do my own thing with an executive order. the congress has continually seeded power to the executive branch and thus chopping down democracy. the framers wanted three brar l brarchbrarch branches of government with equal power. i think this issue of the census is clear where the executive branch is overreaching as we've seen. it's dangerous, but even more fundamental is why. why would they want to do that? and if the reason is as many suspect, they want to frighten away people from participating in the census for political purposes and for gerrymandering purposes, then we have now moved into perhaps one of the most

sinister moments in recent american history. >> he is striking a chord that is consistent when he came down the elle variety and give his speech and continues to stay along that story line. on the flip side as you look at your own caucus in the house and its ability as you're talking about the three branches of power, let's go to where you're at. and in the house, specifically, what can democrats do together on immigration, on this issue of citizenship that will be the counter narrative to what the president is now pushing out and as you know, being in the house, that last week or rather two weeks ago is not necessarily a good week when it comes to what nancy pelosi wants to do on a border bill. what's the right way to get together? >> well, you're right. we do need to work out some small problems inside the democratic caucus so that we're

walking arm in arm, and then we've got to make sure that we can attract the support of moderate republicans in the house to get something done. >> what would that look like, representative? what would you prefer? zblid. >> did you support what pelosi needed or the senate border bill that was passed by the house? >> i supported what speaker pelosi wanted, and eventually did what others did, and that is you hold your nose and you vote for the senate bill for some reasons that i hope the american public understands that had nothing to do with -- we had to get money to puerto rico. we had to get money approved for at least some border measures to help the crisis down there, the crisis on the border. but -- so yes, we've got -- we've got two directions in our caucus, but one of them, frankly, is the overwhelming

majority, but in our caucus if you have a few members who bail out on us, it's going to be difficult to get anything across. >> you would not call what you in the end agreed to on the border bill a sugar coated satan sandwich. you would not go that far? >> it wasn't that, but it was pretty nasty, but we had to do it. but can i just say to you that look, this is a time that our founders could never have anticipated where the executive branch overreaches executive order on the census. in 1973 the war powers act was approved by democrats and republicans. the president vetoed it. republicans and democrats overroad the president's veto because they believed that the president did not have the sole authority to wage war without

any input from congress. >> well, you know, as you know the courts will react should this happen, and others will say it's not going to make it past the courts because of the supreme court decision. we'll see what happens, certainly, representative. while we've got you, i wanted to get your reaction on some of the recent developments related to what pete buttigieg has done as well as vice president joe biden. they're running for the democratic nomination. joe biden in the last 24 hours apologized for statements he made related to two segregationist senators. your reaction and what it means to the very important black vote as we see essence fest happening right now in louisiana. we also see the vice president in south carolina, another important state when it comes to the swing african american vote in the democratic space. >> well, first of all, mayor buttigieg did call me last week and he's going to be in kansas city, and i wanted to sit down

and have a bbq lunch with me. somebody is giving him all the right words to come. >> he's going to like that meal. >> that's right. but, you know, i'll be in session so i won't be able to do that, but i appreciate him reaching out. he's trying to reach out to african americans. on the biden thing, it's one of the most amazing things i've ever seen. people are talking about the bussing. i opposed bussing back at that time. i oppose it today, and so people are somehow forgetting all the chaos around bussing and that many african americans didn't support it because they didn't want what happened to my school to happen all over the country, and that is all the african american schools, many of them, were shut down and in the case of my school in texas, it was bulldozed down. there's nothing remaining of the

history of that school that stood for 75 years. and so we were saying well, why do we have to be bussed out? so people are beating up on biden and have no real sense of history of what was going on. same way with the crime bill. we had african americans on the congressional black caucus who supported the crime bill. ministers all over the country supported the crime bill because back then we were having gang violence. people were getting shot and killed on their front porches. crack was just reigning supreme in the community and they believed something had to be done. >> representative in kansas city, missouri, the town for bbq. i remember it, and i appreciate it. thank you, sir, and have a very good sunday. >> good to talk with you. >> all righty. after the biggest earthquakes in two decades, southern california now facing the real possibility of the big jolt and how soon? - , you never hear

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they know another magnitude 5 is a possibility, even maybe a magnitude 6. the odds of another magnitude 7 have dropped to about 3%. that might be a relief, but people are on edge. some folks have made the decision to either sleep outside or in tents or in trailers because they don't want to be inside a building should another larger earthquake hit. we spoke to a man who has lived in ridgecrest for 35 years. he said he'd never experienced an earthquake quite like this one. he was taking care of his eight-year-old granddaughter. take a listen at how he describes kpapwhat happened. >> describe what you went through. >> pure hell. i got the door opened. i could see the flames already shooting out of the bedroom windows from the trailer next door. never in my life in ridgecrest have i been through so many quakes in such a short period of time and so strong of quakes in

such a short period of time. >> one thing we've learned from seismologists over the past couple days that a lot of people didn't know was there was a time when ridgecrest was called the earthquake capital of the world. still folks who lived here said they never experienced anything like the big one on friday night. >> and hoping the big one will not happen. thank you so much, joe. appreciate it. the president saying detention facilities at the southern border like this one are beautifully run. but what do the pictures say as you see there? next. what needs to be done to fix this problem now. woman: (on phone) discover. hi. do you have a travel card? yep. our miles card. earn unlimited 1.5 miles and we'll match it at the end of your first year. nice! i'm thinking about a scuba diving trip. woman: ooh! (gasp) or not. you okay? yeah, no, i'm good. earn miles. we'll match 'em at the end of your first year.

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developing right now, the trump administration is looking into several options at the moment including a possible executive order to try and get a citizenship question on the 2020 census. just earlier director of citizenship and immigration services said he thinks we'll end up seeing it on there. >> i think the president has expressed determination. he's noted the supreme court didn't say this can't be asked. they said they didn't appreciate the process by which it came forward the first time. the president is determined to fix that, and to have it roll forward. >> joining us now, maria, president and ceo. it's great to see you.

and as has been said. should the president move forward with executive order, most likely the courts will just say no thank you. >> well, this is the challenge. his doj in front of the supreme court said they needed to have an answer of the question by june 30th otherwise they wouldn't be able to print the forms. and so they are now finding a litany of places where the trump administration doj is basically lied to the supreme court. there's that issue. the second issue is that the doj is trying to say that the issue is not about whether or not they're crafting legislation. they're crafting the citizenship question to basically undermine a group of people's voting power. but, in fact, using the president's twitter timeline we say that the president himself has admitted that, in fact, that's what they want to do. that the citizenship question is all about redistricting. richard, we have receipts and emails from gop operatives saying the way they want this citizenship question is to ensure that there are white

republican-held districts that will make sure that hispanic voters do not have political power. and these are from his own folks. that is why the supreme court right now is at odds saying you came under the premise that this was to ensure that we have a strong voting rights act, but it has everything to do with political power. >> this has everything to do with what's happening on the ground. the president has had an anti-immigration nar tv for the last three years. the question is what can democrats do or those critical of this theme attic do? what's their narrative and push and what should it be, do you think? >> richard, you hit the nail on the head. this has little to do with just about immigration but everything to do with the latino community. our president came down that staircase when he announced his presidency and said basically mexicans were rapists and criminals. every single person in the latino community knew he was talking about the second largest group of americans. democrats need to have a clear

understanding and fight for the issues facing individuals at the border but also fight tooth and nail to ensure we're not diluting the power of american people. that should be the concerns of republicans alike democrats. more importantly we need to ensure more people are registering to vote. >> what should that narrative be quickly. >> honestly, our responsibility as americans is to register to vote and make sure that our issues that we believe in an active democracy is participation. what we were able to demonstrate in november of last year, we changed the face of congress that looked like the american people. and now individuals that basically were against those american values were basically kicked out of office. we have to do the same thing in 2020. >> i know we're going to be talking again soon. maria, msnbc contributor. always cregreat to see you.

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welcome back. some fiery words from democratic

congress member a ta leeb about how nancy pelosi. she responded to new criticism from pelosi after she joined three democrats in voting against the voting against the border funding bill. pelosi told "the new york times" "all these people have their public whatever and their twitter world, but they didn't have any following. they're four people and that's how many votes they got." here is congress member tlaib earlier today. >> people that are closest to the pain need to be at the table making these decisions. guess what? we know what it feels like to be dehumanized. we know what it feels like to be brown and black in this country. mitch mcconnell sent you back something that was worse, and i'll tell you right now, i mean, all she could do is focus on him. uplift the women, especially the women of color within your caucus. it is very disappointing that the speaker would ever try to diminish our voices in so many ways. >> all right. let's bring in jonathan altar,

columnist for the daily beast, susan del percio, also an msnbc political analyst and former assistant to president obama and former deputy labor secretary chris liu, currently a senior fellow for the university of virginia's miller center. jonathan, let's start with you on this. as we watch the back and forth, this is not necessarily new, we're just seeing it manifested in a different way here, what does it say about where the democratic energy is as it tries to figure out what its voice is in congress and clearly in 2020 as well? >> well, i think it would be a mistake to assume, as some people in the press have, that the democratic energy is all on the left. with this -- they call them the squad, these four freshmen or freshwomen congress persons. and i think it's kind of a little bit of a lazy-minded assumption to think that that's where the power is in the democratic party. the real lesson of the 2018 midterms was women winning in

the suburbs. the reason that the democrats got control is because they flipped these previously republican districts. so that's where the most recent political energy is. these four women were all elected in districts that were already overwhelmingly democratic. them getting elected to congress was no biggie. and i know aoc had this upset in the bronx, but it was still the bronx. >> uh-huh. >> so to win, you know, an election, you have to win in areas that are up for grabs. and in that sense these -- >> yeah. >> -- four members do not represent where the democratic party is right now. >> chris liu, after your years working on the hill and working in the white house, you know nancy pelosi. she counts really, really, really, really well. what did she miscount when it came to the border bill? >> well, look, i don't think she miss counted at all. the democratic party is a big

tent and there is nobody better at corralling the different faction that nancy pelosi. she had to do this during her first tenure as speaker when she got the blue dog democrats to vote for the affordable care act. look, this border fight has many stages. she won the if first part of this when she got the president to back down off the government shutdown. we will replay this all again at the end of the year when funding for the entire federal government is at stake. but, look, this is just part of the squabbles that exist within any governing party. in two weeks, for instance, the house democrats are going to take up a minimum wage bill to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour which is a priority to progressive and might give heartburn to some of the moderates in the caucus then. >> susan, you heard me say the word "really." when you look at speaker pelosi here, what does it say about this working as the only practitioner really of the democratic party right now as a leader? >> well, this is about government. people were elected to go to

washington to govern our country, not just to speak out loud and see who had the loudest voice in the room. so nancy pelosi knows what needs to get done. it kind of made me think a little bit to john boehner and having to deal with the freedom caucus. that wasn't easy either. john makes a good point that this happens on both sides of the aisle. but nancy pelosi knows what's she's doing. even though i'm a republican, as an american, i was very happy to see her made speaker because i believe she knows how to govern, and that's what our country needs first and foremost right now. >> jonathan altar, we look at the left, let's now look at the right, and we have an individual called justin amash who has decided to say on thursday, july 4th, his independence was the independence of, shall we say, the republican party now an independent. and the question about what that might mean is, will there be more or is he just a solo case? >> well, it's looking right now

like he's pretty lonely out there. all republicans faced a character test over the last couple of years and almost all of them have failed it. it's interesting that a lot of people like susan, who are not in elective office, they passed the character test. george will, you know, he resigned from the republican party. >> right. so does he pass now then, jonathan? is that what you're saying? does he pass that character test? quickly. >> yes, he does. amash passes the test, but there are very, very few others. bill weld has passed the test. he's going to challenge president trump in the republican primaries. he's not expected to do that well. >> right. >> because you have a lot of republicans, they've basically mortgaged all of their principles, the things they believed in, fiscal responsibility, free trade, i could go right down the list, they've sacrificed all of them, put their integrity in a blind trust to follow this man, trump, over the cliff. it's very, very discouraging and i think it's something historians are going to take note of. >> right. >> what happened to this

political party. >> susan, 30 seconds. will we see more justin amashs, just in terms of movement and what should he do now? >> well, i don't think we'll see more right now, especially with 2020 coming up, but he took a first step and his op-ed clearly states that both parties abbroken, which means there should be alternatives. so what's the next step? that's what my big question is to justin amash. are you going to seek to do something at the legislative level and the state to start opening up more ways for independent party runs from whether it be state, local, city, federal runs for office. >> 30 seconds, chris lu. >> well, what's interesting is that nancy pelosi understands that the democratic party is a big tent, but in the republican party, unless you agree with donald trump 100%, there is no place for you, and that's not just justin amash, it's jeff blake, it's bob corker. these are hardcore conservatives who don't have a place in their party right now. >> great way to end the hour. jonathan altar, susan del

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>> mwhat's the reason, mr. president, for trying to get the citizenship question? >> well, you need it for many reasons. number one, you need it for congress. you need it for districting. >> wait. what did the president say there? how his own words might stop him from adding a census citizenship question in the end. and he's sorry now. whether joe biden's relationships with southern segregationists will give his campaign a boost. good day to you. welcome to weekends with alex witt. i'm richard lui in for alex today. let's get straight to the campaign trail because so much is happening right now. our road warriors are covering every moment of what has been happening this holiday weekend. with pete buttigieg and mike member with former vice president joe biden. let's get to you first, mike.

in terms of the apology and what we're seeing has happened is being accepted following the vice president in south carolina. >> reporter: yeah, richard. well, this two-day trip that the vice president is continuing here today is all about reinforcing what has been a strength for his campaign, and that is his depth of support with african-american voters. he started the morning at a church service. he's about to arrive here at a local restaurant where he's going to have lunch with some of his local endorsers who have endorsed his campaign. he really has strong establishment support in south carolina, especially among black leaders. and now what's interesting, richard, two weeks may seem like a lifetime in politics sometimes and it did feel like a lifetime for a lot of biden campaign advisers. advisers telling me yesterday, yes, in fact, they were a little bit on their heels over those comments a couple of weeks ago. but yesterday you saw him apologize. they say they're now on their front foot and, again, trying to highlight the issues that they think are playing to their

strengths in the democratic primary, and that is the opposition to donald trump, the fact that they believe joe biden is the strongest candidate to take him on in the general election, and also black voters. let's listen to how the vice president sought to continue his speeches here yesterday at a second event in orangeburg, south carolina last night talking about the president. >> we can't afford four more years, four more years of a president who doesn't seem to understand whose politics he's supposed to represent. the most outwardly racist administration we've had because he plays the game. deliberately decided to divide us based on race, ethnicity, any problem you have it's because of those -- those drug dealing mexicans. any problem we have is because of that black person -- any problem is because of boom. it's always the other. this has to stop. >> reporter: richard, you know,

the strongest applauses that the vice president gets at his campaign events are two things. one, like you just heard, when he takes the fight directly to donald trump. you heard him call his administration the most outwardly racist in history. the other is when he refers to barack obama, his service with him for eight years as vice president. that's what the vice president wants to continue to highlight here. he talked this morning at church, remembering president obama singing amazing grace at that mother emanuel memorial service two years ago, calling it one of most memorable times in his time in the white house. potentially will take some questions from reporters here and voters at a town hall meeting this afternoon. richard? >> all right. mike, thank you so much, sir, there in charleston, south carolina. let's get over to shaquille brewster live at essence fest in new orleans, louisiana. you know, i remember we spoke last hour here, shaq, the energy behind you as you were describing clearly strong. and your headline was that this is really about the

african-american female energy related to the 2020 election. and you have some big headliners that are going to continue speaking today. >> reporter: that's right. and mayor pete was speaking just in the past hour here. and if you base it on applause, it was a polite applause in the introduction, but it built up as his speech was going and as he started delivering or presenting some of his policies, but by the end, he had some people standing in here. mayor pete was the sixth and final candidate to speak here at essence fest. it's a big music festival focussed on the power and celebration of black women. his message was similar that black women should be the center of the democratic party. listen to what he said on stage just a few minutes ago. >> i stand here aware that black women are not just the backbone of the democratic party, but the bone and sin u that is making our democracy whole. we have seen -- we have seen time and time again, especially

in the last couple of elections, that when black women mobilize, outcomes change and we need some new outcomes at a time like this. >> reporter: and mayor pete presented his douglas plan -- his douglas plan for black america. his specific policies that will focus on the african-american community. it's something that you heard from senators kamala harris and elizabeth warren who spoke yesterday and also presented their policies. i do want to point out something that i keep getting reminded of here, is that the focus of black women is not happening out of a vacuum. in 2018 the midterms sent a record amount of women of color to congress. then you look at cities across the country, there are more women of color, including here in louisiana or in new orleans leading these cities and becoming mayors in these cities. so there's an appreciation from the black women here who were listening to the candidates, that the candidates are coming to speak to them directly and to pitch to them directly because they feel a sense of empowerment, a sense of importance in this democratic primary. richard? >> all right. shaquille brewster there in new

orleans. again, essence fest. thank you, sir. joining us now, steph knight -- steph kite, rather, reporter for axios and seema meta, political reporter for "the los angeles times." seema it goes without saying that the african-american vote is clearly a strength for joe biden, an important base. and we've seen a little bit of shift, right, in that quinnipiac poll that says joe biden better look out about your comments and how they're resonating and he makes a shift and he does it yesterday and says i apologize. as we were listening to shaq brewster here, they're listening but maybe not day to day. >> right. i mean, the african-american vote is so important for joe biden. it's one of his main places of strength. especially in south carolina, you know, the first state to vote in the south in the democratic nominating process. he really sort of struggled with discussing -- he made those comments about working with segregationist senators, being able to work with this civilly. he had his controversy about his views on bussing in the '70s.

in the past week and a half since kamala harris brought this up in the democratic debate, he sort of bristled when people brought up his record. he said i apologize if somebody took this the wrong way. he also has a really long record and i expect this is not the last we're going to hear of people looking at his record over 40-some years. >> steph, when you look at vice president joe biden, you know, he did resist it for a good amount of time and he finally decided to make a turn on this. and he is looking at the african-american vote going forward. he is -- why isn't he at essence fest then? why did he not go down there and say, hey, this is the place i'm going to put my flag in the ground and apologize and move forward? was he trying to, if you will, minimize it, not get too much attention based on he is apologizing? >> i think it's a good question why he also didn't attend that. in watching biden's team work they know he's the top contender. for that reason, he has a little bit more wiggle room.

he has been at the top of the polls for awhile now. when you're looking at the most recent polls we've seen, he's the most likely to beat trump according to registered voters in these polls. so there is a sense in which they don't want to blow up this issue and make it worse than it already is, but he is recognizing that he does need to do something. he did apologize. he has been walking back on some of these more contentious issues. and we're seeing him play for these important voter bases. he's playing for the general election already. >> yeah. i want to shift to something that came out today, and that's new polling coming out from "the washington post" and abc news in talking about joe biden. the numbers and the gaps are big. joe biden, 14 points ahead for all adults. registered voters, 10 points. i mean, seema mehta, he is in a sense, like stef was saying, operating like he's running in the general. >> right.

after a rough two weeks -- we have to remember we're so far out of voting. he has name i.d. because he was vice president for years and in the senate forever. while i think you look at the poll numbers and they're good for him, it's just way, way too early. i mean, all these other candidates are out there campaigning. >> right. >> getting better known. so, i mean, it's a moment in time but we're so far away. >> come on. it's fun. we look at these poll numbers. stef, stay with me on this. what do you think of the poll numbers? i guess another takeaway as we were showing earlier in that full screen, president trump not doing well with really any democrat. >> that is true. but he is neck and neck with several of the top candidates that we're seeing. of course, biden, as we said, has the biggest chance at this point of beating trump, but also we are awhile -- we are pretty far out. it is interesting to look at trump's numbers. he does have a pathway to win and that's something that we have to not lose track of. now, if you look back at around 2011 numbers looking at president obama's approval ratings about this time before

the 2012 -- >> right. >> -- elections, he was about the same place as trump. he was about 46% approval rating. >> yeah. >> so, again, it's hard to tell this far out, but we can't lose track of the fact, that, yes, trump still has a path to winning again, but there are some strong democratic contenders and so far biden is the person most likely to win. >> the narrative is that it has happened before in previous elections. the narrative is that he is behind. that can change in a lot of time, as you're both saying. thanks so much. i appreciate you being with us here today. stef and seema. >> thank you. also new today, the trump administration defends the deplorable -- the detention centers and the conditions there of immigrants including many unaccompanied children. two internal reports from the office of the inspector general of the homeland security department have detailed "dangerous overcrowding causing a ticking time bomb." various news outlets have recorded about the squalid conditions. most recently, six journalists from "the new york times" and

the el paso times offered insights what happens inside detention centers like clint, texas. agents tell them "outbreaks of scabies, chicken pox and shingles were being spread among hundreds. the stench of the dirty clothing was so strong it spread to the agents' own clothing. one girl seemed likely to kill herself, but the agents made her sleep on a cot in front of them so they could watch her as they were processing new arrivals. that will be the focus of a committee hearing the house oversight committee is planning to hold on friday. the acting border patrol chief has been asked to testify so has the secretary who claims that the allegations were unsubstantiated. >> why did you call those allegations unsubstantiated? >> because there is adequate food and water. the facility is cleaned every day. i know what our standard is and

they're being followed because we have a tremendous amount of oversight. i'm not saying there aren't channels at the border. the reason those children were at clint station in the first place was so they could have medical consolidated, they had shower facilities for over a year. >> the only republican member of congress whose district runs along the border with mexico includes the clint detention center we're talking about. he urges for more resources. >> these facilities shouldn't hold anybody for any length of time, let alone children. we should be handling people with care and humanity when they are in our custody. there is a lack of trust between congress at democrats and the executive branch, but that doesn't change the reality that we're dealing with right now, facilities, people that are overwhelmed. >> not lost in all of this, the psychological damage caused on migrant children there. doctors asked detained children to depict their experience in

border patrol custody, and this is what they drew. last hour, i asked a congressman in the homeland security committee what could they do to alleviate right now the humanitarian crisis at the border. >> we do need to work out some smaller problems inside the democratic caucus so that we're walking arm in arm, and then we've got to make sure that we can attract the support of moderate republicans. in the house to get something done. >> nbc's hans nickles is in berkeley heights, new jersey, where the president is spending this weekend. hans, staying on what is happening at the border -- the crisis at the border. a place that you have reported from as well. what is the disconnect it seems with the pictures and what the president is saying and how are they describing that difference?

>> reporter: well, the challenge for the white house and the president in particular has always been to talk about the crisis on the border while also claiming that they are maintaining a certain level of humanitarian aid there. so they're using the crisis line to try to force democrats to spend more on it. they've been talking about that at numerous occasions, but this morning you heard from kevin mcaleenan, this idea that accounts of what's happening at individual detention facilities are unsubstantiated. and that inconsistency really highlights one of the challenges for the white house. how to add urgency to this issue while also claiming that they are doing the right thing here and acting in a humanitarian way. you saw that tension appear a little bit in the difference between what kevin mcaleenan said and also what ken cuccinelli said on another talk show when he was talking about beds simply being too full. >> this is a pipeline. border patrol's at the front of the pipeline. you can't move people through the pipeline if the next stage of the pipeline is full, and i.c.e. is the next stage of the

pipeline, and their detention beds are not only full, they're over-full. but once you're over those capacity points, you encounter problems. if they keep coming, people in the house come down and complain about them keep coming while not helping fix the problem. >> reporter: now, richard, on the border right now, the officials there are saying that actual crossings have declined a little bit. that's partly from the actions that mexico is taking, but also has to do with the hot weather and the summer months. so the next stage we should be looking for is what happens with deportations in this country and kru crucially what the administration settles on for a legal strategy for a citizenship question ons census. we also heard from ken cuccinelli the president is determined to do that. the question, though, will it be legal? richard? >> hans, as we see at least two different messages coming out, folks will be asking what is the real message, number one. and number two, let's forget left or right here, what's going to happen to help these folks if

at least there is one voice saying it's unsubstantiated, which would say nothing then. >> reporter: right. although kevin mcaleenan did indicate they have challenges there. specifically about the allegations in clint that came from some of the lawyers who end viewed some of the young people there. that's what he's saying specifically is unsubstantiated. what you hear from administration officials is now that this money has been passed, it will get allocated -- >> right. >> and get down there, you may have some alleviation and the $4.6 could make an effect, but still ate lot of roadblocks. >> all right. hans nickles with the president. thank you, sir. what can congress do to limit the president's pursuit of an executive order? at's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need.

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all right. new today, the british government is launching an investigation after shall we say unflattering comments about president trump allegedly made by a british ambassador to the united states in secret memos that appear to have been leaked to a british newspaper. one of britain's top diplomats is quoted as describing the u.s. president as inept, insecure and incompetent. sir k we have reached out to the white

house as well for comment but have not yet heard back. joining me now, christopher dickey, world news editor with the daily beast and msnbc distributor. you and i were just talking about this. 17 pages long, and if you print it up here, very critical of this president. not necessarily new in terms of criticisms coming from various european countries' leaders of this president. >> no, look, basically europeans think that they're dealing with a very loose cannon in the form of donald trump. and that's reflected in the the kinds of judgements that are made in these cables. really what's striking about these cables is not the opinions of trump or the analysis of the trump administration, although it's extremely negative, what's striking about the cables is that they were leaked, they were made by -- they were written by a 40-year veteran of the foreign service of great britain -- >> he knows his p's and q's. >> he knows his way around.

they are very careful and considered judgements. that's why they're so interesting. it's not me saying or you saying the president is inept, it's a very experienced diplomat who has dealt with leaders all over the world and looking at this man and saying theis is a chaotic administration, but he also said he may get re-elected. >> i want to read the response to the article from the british foreign office. this is part of it. "the british public would expect our ambassadors to provide ministers with an honest, unvarnished assessment of the politics in their country. their views are not necessarily the views of ministers or indeed the government, but we pay them to be candid." they went on to add "our team in washington have strong relations with the white and no doubt will not stand for this mischievous behavior." when you look at this response, does that make -- and number two, now that they are, what

might be the response from the president? >> i'm sure they're concerned and that would be reflected in the judgements in some of these cables where essentially the ambassador is saying you have to flatter this man. you have to make him feel good. >> this is not flattery. >> no, exactly. this is the reverse. you have to flatter him. you have to make him feel good. you have to be simple and blunt because he's not going to understand any very complex. you need to flood the zone, as he says, quite interesting. not only talk to his staff but his friends. men and women, mainly men, that he calls up in the middle of the night. talk to them. the british have apparently been reaching out to people like that. so he had a very clear idea how to manipulate trump and essentially it all goes down the drain with the leaks of these cakes. >> -- cables. >> will he be removed? >> i think he might have been removed anyway.

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this is the kind of breaking news we love to have on a sunday. and this is coming from france. the u.s. women's national soccer team now back to back world cup champs. how about that for breaking news? they defeat the netherlands in the last hour and it all started with a penalty call by the referee. now, the u.s. women turns things around after a scoreless first half in the game. nbc's kelly cobiella, you've got to love covering this story, my friend. you're there in the heart of the action, and i'm just going to say, say whatever you like, because we're going to like it. >> reporter: it was an incredible game to watch, wasn't it? and just amazing fans here as well. you can see they're now streaming out of the stadium with rain threatening, but that's not bothering anyone out here. they are celebrating this absolutely historic win on the

part of the u.s. women's national soccer team. winning a fourth world cup final. that's two consecutive world cups for this team. and, boy, they really had to fight for it this time. this team has scored in the first 12 minutes of every single match they've played this tournament. today the dutch held them off until the second half. they didn't score until that penalty on alex morgan. megan rapinoe lining up for the kick. she's had practice at this. she's done it twice before successfully against spain, and this woman had ice running through their blood today. she kicked it again for the u.s.' first goal. then rose lavell, sort of an unsung star in this tournament, following it up just a few minutes later beating two defenders for the u.s.' second goal. in the end they were able to hold back the dutch who kept attacking and attacking, winning the game 2-0. an emotional win for this team.

there were tears and hugs on the field as they celebrated. and, you know, richard, this is a really tough thing to do, to win this cup back to back. only one other team has ever done it -- women's team has ever done it, and that was germany back in 2007. so you can bet you're going to be hearing an awful lot of that lawsuit the night in lyon. richard? >> you know, i think folks are going to see threepeat. i'm saying four. they should be thinking maybe three in a row. tell me what americans who have travelled to see this game, what they're saying and also -- >> back to back champions. well done. >> usa, usa! >> reporter: you're actually going to have to repeat that. as you can see i've got some friends here. i think you were asking about people who have traveled here, yeah? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> reporter: yeah, i mean, we've talked to people throughout these past four weeks who have arranged their entire family vacations around this. they've bought tickets to the

final in the hopes and the belief that their team was going to make it here tonight. of course the u.s. women did. we've talked to young girls who are soccer players who so admire these women on the field. they see them as role models. they admire them not just for their hard work on the field and their incredible footwork, let's be honest, right? >> yeah. >> reporter: but also for their taking on issues off the field. they really look up to these -- to these women and to see them now pushing through and winning this biggest of all matches, the match they came here to win, is really something for these girls. >> all right. well, from the 330 million-plus here on this side of the atlantic, it's team usa, team usa, team usa, team usa, team usa now for the fourth win there. thank you, kelly and the report from lyon, france. the rush to improve conditions for migrants who are stuck at the border and the new doj policy that could make that harder.

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>> reporter: yeah, this sequence has produced more than 3,500 tremors so far, and there are actually thousands expected in the coming days, weeks, even months here. that has people on edge. in fact, some have decided they don't want to sleep inside their homes so some are choosing to stay either outside or in tents or in smaller trailers outside because they are nervous about all these aftershocks that we're expected to experience. keep in mind right now, we're about 38 hours removed from friday night's 7.1 earthquake. there was a 34-hour gap between the one on thursday that was 6.4 and the one on friday night with many more aftershocks expected. we don't feel most of them, but every now and then there is a jolt that people feel. what happened friday is still fresh in everyone's mind. we spoke with some folks about what they experienced during that 7.1 earthquake. take a listen to what they had to say. >> when this hit last night, what did you feel? describe what you went through. >> pure hell. never in my life in rinddgecres

have i been through so many quakes in such a strong period of time and such strong quakes in such a short period of time. >> if i have broken pipes, it will put me out of business. >> i got a 4-year-old and a 3-year-old. my 4-year-old is pretty traumatized. no matter what's happening now he thinks we're having an earthquake. he's pretty scared. >> things were falling as we were running out. just so nervous that we couldn't make it out. it's a crazy experience for sure. i'll remember this for the rest of my life. >> reporter: this hour, the city of ridgecrest and county officials held a news conference. they say they're now shifting from emergency response to recovery. they say that the roads are now all in good conditions. the water is and has been safe to drink. even the transit system will return to normal tomorrow, but they do have a lot of resources, both local and from out of town, still in the area. some of that is as a precaution just in case there is another significant tremor in the comes

days. richard? >> all right. residents thinking outdoor camping might be a good idea right now in the weather will, of course, will be good for that there in ridgecrest. thank you so much there, joe. developing right now for you, there is a new report from dhs. their internal watchdog. they detail the dangerous conditions, the overcrowding that are happening at places like this, detention centers across texas. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle reacted a little bit earlier to that. joining us now, msnbc contribute? professor at the university of texas, victoria defrancesco. victor ra, we're talking about this report that came out. and it does not look good. and the pictures also detail, again, doubling up shoulder-to-shoulder, issues of drinking water, issues of smell, of heat, of warmth, of humidity, and then you look at "the new york times" article that lays out the pictures of these detention centers, and some might say detention center is a word that is an understatement.

>> the conditions there are literally at a crisis point. if we were back in the summer last year, we saw the zero tolerance policy that really triggered this episode. and it's really been bad since the beginning, richard. this is the issue. and it's just gotten increasingly worse. and i'm going to add some bad news on to this, in that it's getting worse for immigrants. so there's the problem of the overcrowding and the inhumane conditions on the u.s. side, but what has been out of the news but is happening is the increase and expansion of the remain in mexico program, where folks who are seeking asylum are saying, okay, here's a ticket, get in line, we'll get to your case in a couple of weeks or a couple of months, but you have to stay in mexico. it just so happens that the places they're staying along the texas/mexico border are some of the most dangerous places -- >> right. >> -- in mexico. so here you have migrants in peril on both sides of the border.

really a breaking point that i don't know what's going to happen, richard. >> well, victoria, you're right there. you're close by to what's happening and you've seen it yourself because you've been to the border. >> yes. >> we've seen a 124% i crease, according to this report, coming from dhs two days before on july 2nd. what are mayors doing there? what are cbos or community-based organizations, are they coming together because they're really the boots on the ground for all of these migrants when they're outside of the centers. >> absolutely. so the government has really failed in terms of the leadership from the beginning. from thinking through how this whole policy implementation was going to work and we're seeing the effects of that now. so this is where faith-based agencies have chipped in. to be honest, just individuals who are driving from all across the state -- >> yeah. >> all across the country to help come out. the texas tribune based here in austin has done a phenomenal job of updating resources for folks

who want to help. >> yeah. >> from giving money to legal resources to the shelters. so the silver lining to this is we see that people here in the united states are compassionate and are humane and don't want to see this happen under their watch. >> let me ask you a question. and, again, coming from a view of as you get closer to these cities that are going through this particular crisis, does it become less partisan? does it become more nonpartisan in terms of let's try to fix this or does it stay still partisan? >> i think on the border itself it's in crisis mode. in a crisis mode you're just focused on what's in front of you. so to answer your question, yes, richard, but as we creep up a couple hundred miles from the border -- >> right. >> -- up to the austin capital, we see a very strong partisan divide. the governor of texas, greg ab bo bot, and the lieutenant governor very strong on the anti-immigrant, on the

restrictionist front and wanting to send actually texas national guard troops to the border. so the folks on the ground who are seeing it day in and day out are focused on the humanitarian needs, but further out than that, regrettably, it's politics as usual. >> well, that might be part of the solution, victoria, as we look closer to the leaders that are at the border as they speak. more from the heart and what they see. always great to talk with you. victoria defrancesco, thank you there in austin, texas. >> take care, richard. all righty. talking 2020 with michelle obama. the candidates and the questions she'd rather nod answer. not answer. >> do you have any thoughts about that? >> i do not. >> okay. let me ask you this -- moving on. >> i've been -- i've been doing this rodeo far too long. >> yeah, moving on. >> no comment. get it! get that butterfly!

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>> this isn't a joke. it's not a game. the leader of the free world with a tweet can start a war, can -- can crush an economy, can change the future of our children. you have to read everything. you have to know everything. you have to know more than the people around you. but i fear that sometimes people might have thought that barack made it look easy so it must be easy. it's kind of like i guess if the black guy could do it, anybody can do it. and that's not true. >> let's bring in msnbc contributor adrien elrod, former senior adviser to hillary clinton's campaign and don callaway and former state chair, amy. because of what she said and what we just played, i'd be very interested, don, to react to what she's saying. >> listen, michelle obama can do no wrong.

no, i'm joking. first of all, she's right. first of all, she's speaking to her core constituency. essence fest is the world's preeminent gathering of black women. it happens on the first weekend after the fourth of july every year. first of all, she's right to not endorse. the obamas are not getting in that mess. i'm sure they'll support the democratic nominee at the proper time. secondly, it was a very candid audience where she can slip into the vernacular of her crowd. as the kids say on the internet, find the lie. she didn't say anything wrong. barack obama made it look easy, but that's also because he surrounded himself with smart, learned, competent, capable people who supported his decisions and came to a consensus and made governing look not like a dumpster fire, kind of like what we have going on now. so she's not wrong and i applaud her for letting her hair down a little bit and speaking in the vernacular of her people. >> yet, at the same time as she did when she was the first lady, maintaining that decorum. speaking of which, when we look at the candidates that she is and her husband, the former president barack obama, are not

going to endorse until there is actually a nominee. let's take a look at the latest poll that came out just today looking at the versus donald trump at the moment. and for the most part it's a similar thematic in that we are seeing joe biden that we see jo it came to registered voters, with a 10% advantage percentage, i should say. amy, when you look at these numbers, if you are in the trump campaign, are you concerned about these? >> no. not at all. this is way too early. what's most important is to follow the trend of these polls. the polling right now is basically just a quick snapshot of maybe what's going on. we need to focus on the polling that goes on in the battleground

states. nevada is the first in the west as far as a caucus. we actually had -- you had jeb bush on our side when we had 17 or so candidates at the time before president trump was our nominee. jeb bush was polling ahead of the rest. actually had the most cash. and he quickly took a nosedive. i think it's definitely too early. we're not too worried about the president not being re-elected because the economy is doing well. he campaigned on promises made, promises kept. he is doing a number of those to the best of his ability despite congress constantly battling him. >> that's the one issue here where the president polls really well right now, and that is on the issue of the economy. there are some other issues that he does not poll well. that's everything below the economy. not nearly as well as on the economy. what are the top issues here? what stands out to you?

health care not number one as it has been but close. >> yeah. first of all, donald trump should be doing better in the polls because the economy is going so well thanks to barack obama. you know, the fact that he is polling so well, the fact that he in a matchup with some of the top democratic contenders, he is losing. we have to look at the actual trend lines of these polls as opposed to just single polling outlier, snapshots of certain polls. we are looking at the trend lines. they have been constantly suggesting over the course of the last few months that donald trump is in real trouble when it comes to his reelection numbers. democrats cannot rest. but this election should be ours to win. that is what you are seeing reflected in the polls. not only in head to head matchups but also on the issues.

the economy is doing exceptionally well right now. the fact that trump's approval ratings are under 50% does not bode well for him. >> his approval rating in this is one of the highest in this latest poll from "the washington post" and abc news. by trend lines, he is trending up. to you on this, does that mean there's a lot of runway here, as all three of would you agryou w and the president -- what does that mean for the democrats? >> it doesn't mean a lot. let's be honest about this. the three of us, yourself and your viewers are paying attention. a lot of folks are still watching "dancing with the stars" and doing summer vacations. we are the political nerds. >> and the world cup. >> and the world cup. folks are going to pay attention around next summer. then we move into fall once there are nominees and once we have a one on one fight against

a democrat and this president. this president is at an all time approval rating because of the economy. i would ask the question of, do normal americans feel the economy? the economy is doing well. the economy is more than the stock market. again, phones will pay attention next summer. that's when it's going to get real and you see a clearer picture of if this president is in trouble or not. >> let's come back to july 7, 2019. on that then, the trump voters -- if the economy is number one, the trade policy that has happened just within this year has not been good for the economy of, if you will, the typical trump voter. >> well, i think when you put a tariff on anying toing struggl. it's necessary to make the bigger changes in the long run. yes, you will have a little bit of struggle. in the end, you will reap the

rewards. that's the ending goal. >> adrian, to you. you will get the last word here. >> i mean, clearly i disagree on this. one of the i guess troubling aspects for democrats or anybody who is not spoeupporting trump when you talk to farmers, people impacted by the tariffs being imposed, they are constantly saying to the point that this is something that has to be done to get the economy back on track to get things back in order, which is not true. it's kind of disturbing to see how many people out there are continuously making excuses for trump. that's why democrats have got to go out there and make their case not just on immigration, not just on health care but really on the economy. why they can do a better job. really quickly, not everybody is feeling this strong economy right now. people are in jobs they don't want to be in. they're not earning a livable wage.

i think democrats have to keep going out there and making the case that they can raise wages and they can make the economy work better for everybody, not just those at the top, to borrow a phrase from hillary clinton. >> ten seconds. one of the top issues that was not on this poll is, will there be a three-pete for the american women? >> absolutely. >> you say yes? >> you have a couple of young stars who didn't make this year's national team, bright days ahead for the american women. it's a shame they don't get paid the same as the men do. that's a crying shame. >> amen. >> we all agree. have a good sunday. coming up, the wheels of justice turn against jeffrey epstein. now the details of his accused sex crimes coming up. (ding) hey, who are you? oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?! i'm here to steal your car because,

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