♪ welcome to kasiedc. i'm kasie hunt. tonight the u.s. women's national team does it again. they have now won half of all the women's world cups. for less than half the pay of their male counter parts. plus vice president joe biden does something he has been disinclined to do for weeks, apologize for something he said. plus consequential comments from nancy pelosi as the push and pull for the soul of the democratic party spills out into

public view as new polling shows president trump with his highest approval rating yet. and alarming new reporting inside facilities holding migrants as the president says he will allow journalists inside. first, many of you watching at home have likely been tuned out of the news cycle for the past week or so. let's get you caught up. the president held his hafourthf july celebrations. two earthquakes struck southern california. justin a mash left the republican party. the united states women defeated netherlands to win the world cup. 15-year-old coco gauff advanced to the round of 16 on wimbledon. the 2020 race, of course, was reshaped also as new polling showed kamala harris surging into second place behind joe biden. yesterday biden apologized for his recent remarks about

segregationist senators. >> now, was i wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression that i was appraising those men who i successfully opposed time and again? yes, i was. i regret it and i'm sorry for any of the pain or misconception that i may have caused anybody. >> with that, i want to welcome my panel in with me. here with me director of strategic communications for the 2020 campaign. in des moines, iowa, in new orleans, nbc news political reporter and in charleston south carolina nbc news correspondent mike. thank you all for being here tonight. mike, let me start with you because this really is a remarkable moment from joe biden that seemed to be at least from my vantage point a pretty long time in the making. there were plenty of chances for him to have said something like

this before he decided to do it. there have been some critics of his. i will say that they seem to think the apologize didn't go as far as they would have liked. this was a marked turn of events, something i know there has been reporting that he personally worked on. what was the evolution? why did he personally decide to do this? how is it going over? >> this has been an interesting few weeks for the biden campaign. i think they have had really a series of stress tests that they have had to endure that exposed some of the vulnerabilities of his candidacy. the first is of the campaign itself. you have the interesting mix on biden's campaign of long time staffers who perhaps maybe underestimated the degree to which biden's full career had been vetted in public, the degree to which they needed to address the long-running issues especially like bussing that was such a focus. and then you have a newer crop of candidates who maybe overestimated strengths as a

candidate on the campaign trail, preparedinous for debates. and biden has been serious from the get go. so as kamala harris launched the frontal assault, they felt ham strung in being able to respond. the second stress test is of the candidate. i have had aides saying this was a clarifying moment for them that it was a wakeup call for him that he can't attempt to live above the fray, that he has to engage in this and yesterday we are all so focussed on the apology. that speech was remarkable. it was a much deeper and wholesome defense of his public record and view of politics in general. he talked not just about issues around race, but the bankruptcy bill, sort of a warning to elizabeth warren that i know you will come after me. the last stress test that i think they feel best about is sort of the fundamental theory of the case of their candidacy. they know they have slipped in

the polls a little bit. the campaign is really a gamble on the fact that they think the party is not as far left as we on cable news and twitter want to believe. but also that there is really a deep reservoir of good will for joe biden that will help him endure this. there is a lot of relief among his campaign and outside allies that he did take this moment over the weekend to address it. >> if you dig into that abc poll, we will talk about the head to head numbers in a second. some of the numbers for joe biden among independents were particularly positive potentially and speaks to the third point. let me pick up where mike was kind of talking about these questions around the depth of the good will and that reservoir that biden has. you have been at the essence festival speaking with african-american voters. there has certainly been a lot of inside the beltway

speculating about what side many african-americans were going to take in this dispute between joe biden and kamala harris. what have you found in talking to people there on the ground at that festival about whether they are still willing to defend joe biden? do they have the reservoir of good will? or did kamala harris convince them an african-american woman a capable of doing that on the debate stage might be the person we need to take on trump. >> reporter: one thing that i noticed here at essence fest covering it, the largest annual gathering of black women in the country, especially after kamala harris's speech you got a sense that people weren't as plugged in as we would like to think. during the speech, we follow her policies and proposals like middle class tax cut and teacher pay raise, a lot of people though they really liked her and were cheering for her, they were hearing the proposals for the

very first time. when you ask them about the back and forth between her and vice president biden and how booker got involved in that a little bit last week, they are not into the nitty-gritty details of that just yet. you had six candidates coming down to essence fest showing there is a priority that the party and these candidates have on black women in this race joe biden's front runner status has been propelled. if you look at the reuters poll that came out right after the debate, his national lead shrunk about eight points. it was thanks in large part to a loss of support. almost half of support was lost among african-american voters. there is a sense that african-american voters matter. it's a serious voting plauk that these candidates are going after. you see candidates doing whatever they can. >> it's great to have you on the show. it's great to see you even if

from afar, a signal that this is ramping up perhaps much faster than i was ready for. i'm very interestied to know wht you have observed since the debate unfolded and as this spat between harris and biden has continued. many caucus goers are plugged in and these campaigns have become so nationalized. have you noticed in your reporting or as you have sort of looked at the candidates, a significant shift on the ground? what do you think we are not noticing here that you are seeing? >> first of all, it's great to be here. you're right. the campaigns have been nationalized. a lot of times iowa is an island from that. people don't pay as much attention to what is going on with the national polling, for example. but because the democratic field is so ginormous, people can't get to know the candidates as early as they would like.

i can't make up my mind yet. i have only met this person four times. you have an expectation that you will get to know the candidates very well. because of the huge field people are relying that the debates are a lot more important, the first debate was very important. what is happening in national polls, what happens in fundraising, people are paying attention to that. one really important thing i think stood out to me really to biden and kamala harris was the fact that her poll numbers went up not just nationally but also in iowa. there is one poll after the debate that showed her rising up. to me, that creates some tension in the field. here in iowa, we are known for being iowa nice. we don't like democratic candidates going after each other. people have said they don't want to see a negative race, but they have rewarded kamala harris at least generally speaking with

better poll numbers for going after joe biden and showing that she is tough. one of the things -- i think people are a little bit expecting contradictory things of candidates. they want them to be nice and show that they are tough enough to beat donald trump. and some of the female candidates have said they felt a little bit conflicted by that because people don't want to see women being nasty and negative. on the other hand, they feel like they have a stronger or greater burden to show that they are tough enough to take on donald trump. >> it's incredibly gendered question. i absolutely take your point. i have spoken to a lot of people here who talk privately about the challenges of being a woman candidate facing down donald trump. it's an interesting contradiction you want iowa nice on the one hand.

on the other hand, you need to show you can take down this president. that is one of the most important things for democratic voters. for the opposition to the democratic field that we have been just talking about, obviously, some good news for the president in this abc poll with his overall approval rating ticking upward. he is still underwater all together. the reality is for a lot of democrats is every single minute the democrats spend attacking each other is a good minute for donald trump. is that why we are seeing the improvement in his approval rating? >> i think you have a very strong economy. he has had a couple of very good trips, obviously the one overseas to the u.k., g 20, normandy. you had the fourth of july celebration here this past week. a lot of good things are happening here at home. as we have said from the miami debates, every moment that the democrats are either attacking each other or talking policy, especially radical policies that they endorsed on that miami

debate stage makes people take another look at the president and what he is doing to improve the economy and it's a very sharp contrast to what the democrats offered on that miami debate stage. >> they actually polled the president against a generic socialist candidate. let's talk a little more about joe biden. he has been very busy over this holiday weekend. he kind of went into it with a game plan. see if you can pick up on it. >> we provided money for voluntary bussing of cities. look what is happening with putin. while putin is undoing our elections he is undoing elections in europe. you think that would happen on my watch? i would be surging folks to the border. >> president obama, my buddy, as states of the union would surprise me and my friend joe is going to. he never told me what he was going to say before. i say president obama -- i don't

say president obama, i don't want to get confused with the other president. i don't want to say the president. he is my buddy, the honor of my lifetime to serve with the man who i believe is a great president and historic figure and a close friend. he selected me. i'll take his judgment about my record, my character, my ability to handle my job over anyone else's. that's why i'm not going to be part of this circular firing squad. barack obama is a man of extraordinary character, integrity and dignity. >> one thing i know, no one is going to tear down the jewel of president obama's presidency. i promise you. >> did you hear it? i heard it. mike asked the vice president about his defacto running mate tonight. >> i know you have been using

the name barack obama a lot lately. kamala harris said voters will base -- what do you say to critics who say you are using the name because you can't stand on your own. >> i say let's talk about the future instead of the past. this is all about the future. i am ready to debate health care and obama care, climate change. that's what i want to debate. >> i fealt like you could see his new strategy kind of play out right there in that sound byte with you both the embrace of former president obama but talking about the future which by itself is a it does seem to be internalized and the vice president seems to be making a

shift. >> we have heard jeb buoe biden the name of president obama a lot. it was the second day they released the video that showed him receiving the presidential medal of freedom from president obama. biden says he doesn't want to talk about the past. there is the distant past and more recent past. the idea here is if my opponents are going to use my record in the senate 36 years in the senate i am going to use my biggest asset which is the eight years in the white house. of course, there is a risk in that here. i have heard a number of other campaigns and some folks reach out to say reprise that famous attack line about rudy giuliani that every line from joe biden is a noun -- he is relying too heavily on him. the question is president obama

endorsing but is there acceptance of the idea that they are letting the campaign continue to do this. the campaign did have a discussion early on with obama's folks about how much they can use obama's name and imagery and materials. at a certain point there is a concern that the more biden leans on the former president, if and when he doesn't win the nomnagds that reflects on obama. >> it's an interesting point. kathie, quickly, in terms of iowa voters here, one of the arguments that joe biden is making yes he is saying we want to look to the future and not to the past. he is making the return to normalcy argument to what we saw under the obama administration. do you find democratic voters in iowa are on board with that as the message against donald trump or do they want something more new. >> i think it depends on who you ask. i think that is one of the big conversations here in the

democratic party is do you go for somebody who is very, very bold progressive who will break the mold, who can provide the greatest possible contrast with donald trump? or are you going to go with somebody who has some familiarity, who has shown a way of maybe conventional type of politics where you move the ball a little bit at a time and you don't challenge people's ability to imagine what the policy is going to look like. i think that that battle is still going to be played out here in iowa in the caucuses not just with joe biden but with other candidates, as well. >> thank you all very much. when we continue, justin amash bids farewell to the republican party plus the supreme court has ruled on including legal status on the census. we will talk about the

president's efforts to include a citizenship question anyway. in spite of a sweetheart deal hedgefund billionaire has been arrested for sex trafficking in new york. one of the reporters who helped break that story joins me live next. helped eak that story joins me live next. & doug ♪ mmm, exactly! liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice! but uh, what's up with your partner? oh! we just spend all day telling everyone how we customize car insurance because no two people are alike, so... limu gets a little confused when he sees another bird that looks exactly like him. ya... he'll figure it out. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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we are following yet another chapter in the legal saga surrounding jeffrey epistein.

he was taken in the custody yesterday after being arrested for allegedly sex trafficking dozens of minors in new york and florida between 2002 and 2005. one senior law enforcement official tells nbc news that he allegedly paid minors cash for massages and then sex acts. the official says some victims were as young as 14 years old. the same senior law enforcement official said he would then allegedly pay the girls even more money to bring him other minors that he would then pay for similar acts. he came under new scrutiny after his lawyer made a secret deal with prosecutors in 2008 that allowed him to plead guilty to lesser charges. former u.s. attorney andrea acosta helped put the deal together telling lawmakers this

matter was appeal all the way up to deputy attorney general's office and not because we weren't doing enough but because the contention -- also joining us glen kurshner, former federal prosecutor. kate, let me start with you since you guys broke this story and we have since been reporting on it here at nbc news. this deal and part of why it was so controversial was because it in theory prevented him from being prosecuted from similar offenses in the future, but that doesn't seem to apply here. can you explain how it is that suddenly this case has kind of burst back into the headlines and epstein has been arrested again. >> the plea deal only applied to his alleged sex crimes in the state of florida. it was in the southern district of florida.

he has various residences, a mansion in new york, a ranch in new mexico, residence in paris. according to civil court filings, other victims have said that they were flown to new york and were abused by him there. it's sort of been an open secret that he was molesting, abusing and enticing young girls in new york. >> so as we noted earlier, former u.s. attorney alexander acosta helped put together this plea deal that we were just talking about. i want to show acosta being grilled back in april over this arrangement. >> the hideous truth has come out. you chose wealthy and well-connected people, child rapists over the victims in this case. if you as u.s. attorney, as a prosecutor where your job is to pursue justice, could not fight

for these girls, how as secretary of labor can you tell this panel and the american people that you can responsibly oversee this budget, the department of labor including human trafficking? >> is there no answer? >> is that a question? >> that was a question. >> as i was saying the department of justice for the past 12 years has defended the actions of the office in this case. the facts in this case were presented to a grand jury that initially recommended -- that actually recommended a charge that would have carried no jail time at all. and at the -- >> do you regret making this deal in secret? do you regret making this deal in secret? >> if at the end of the day mr.

epstein went to day. he registered as a sex offender. the world was put on notice that he was a sex offender and the victims received restitution. >> 13 months in county jail, 12 hours a day, work release. you consider that justice for the devastation of these girls? >> pretty incredible. the congresswoman there was talking about the sentence that epstein received where he went to county jail. the fact that they are suddenly revisiting this suggests the department of justice may realize they made a mistake here. >> then u.s. attorney now secretary of labor acosta can answer the questions as smugly or be as evasive as he wants, but the fact is that in february

a federal judge ruled that acosta violated the rights of these child victims. he violated the crime victims' rights act which gave each and every victim the right to be present at the time of court proceedings, to be consulted about any plea agreements or non pr pros -- non-props prosecution agreement. a federal judge said acosta violated all of the rights. >> he didn't allow any of that to happen? >> he hid this resolution which smells of favoritism for the powerful and rich and influential. epstein had a star-studded cast of lawyers.

he had roy black. he had ken star. he managed to buy injustice, plain and simple. it looks like the department of justice is now trying to make that right. let's hope the victims get their day in court. >> how will this work going forward? the likelihood that he will do time or pay a higher price? >> if the reporting is accurate that he is going to be charged with sex trafficking of minors and a conspiracy, the charges could carry up to life and the sex trafficking charge could carry a mandatory minimum of ten years in prison. the fact that they snatched him up at the airport in new jersey is an indication they may have believed he was a flight risk. i suspect that tomorrow they will go into court and will probably seek his detention pending trial arguing that he is plainly a flight risk. i would also add, he is probably

a danger to the community, at least certain segments of the community, young girls because of his pattern of sexually abusing with the assistance of others, multiple young women. i do think if it's a strong case he may end up spending a good bit of time, maybe the rest of his life in prison. >> this case that acosta was involved in involved behavior from the mid 2000s. what's the suggestion here that this is based on new more recent behavior on the part of mr. epstein? >> i'm not sure that it is based on new or more recent behavior t. says it is from 2002 to 2005. in new court filings, more victims are coming forward and saying that they were abused by epstein as early as 1996. i think this is a pattern of behavior that has gone unchecked since possibly according to the victims and their attorneys since the 1990s. so we're trying to figure out

now, are the victims that are part of the southern district of new york's case, are they new or are they people that we have heard of before? >> of course, this is during a time period when he was running -- thank you both very much. when we return, the supreme court has ruled on the citizenship question, but the president is looking at ways to still add it to the census. we are joined live next to discuss that and more. ex nt to discuss that and more. -keep it down there. i have a system. -keith used to be great to road-trip with. but since he bought his house... are you going 45? -uh, yes. 55 is a suggestion. -...it's kind of like driving with his dad. -what a sign, huh? terry, can you take a selfie of me? -take a selfie of you? -yeah.

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president trump says he is quote fighting against the system to get a controversial citizenship question on to the 2020 census despite a supreme court ruling. on tuesday commerce secretary released a statement saying that the census bureau would abandon efforts to change the questionnaire. trump calling reports on ross's own words quote fake news. by friday -- >> we'll see what happens. we can add an addition. we can start printing now and maybe do an addendum after we get a positive decision. we are working on a lot of things including an executive

order. >> congresswoman, it's great to have you back on the show. there was also a great quote from the judge hearing this census case after that tweet went out basically where the d.o.j. lawyer had to come back and say i didn't know anyone else. do you think there is a legal path to add? >> i think it will be challenged if he does try to add it. one of the things that really concerns me is people are forgetting what the census is about which is trying to get an accurate account for who is in the country. he probably has two different goals but he is making people afraid to participate in the census when we need legitimate american citizens who will be fraid to participate in the census. the census is supposed to be an accurate count of who is here and matters for the states and local governments. >> it's also remarkably

important for the makeup. >> for redistricting. obviously, the makeup of the congress and redistricting is important so that may be helping him in one way where he is trying to discourage. i also think that a the health care dollars, dollars going to the states are also dependent on these numbers. it is who we are. this census matters. >> i also want to ask you about the incredibly contentious vote in the house of representatives around the additional funding to try and address this horrible migrant crisis at the border. democrats were dramatically split over whether there were enough protections for the way the money was going to be used. were you yourself conflicted about how to vote on this bill? >> i didn't know what i was going to do probably until the last 15 seconds. i knew that we could not leave without getting money to those detention centers. we had to get money there.

i did vote against it because i was not satisfied that we were not setting enough guidelines. we have been gone for a week and we see new inspector general studies and saw the "new york times" report today. we have heard these stories. it gave it to everybody about what is happening, the inhumane conditions of these children and what is happening. we need to do something about that. i hope as we come back this week that republicans and democrats will understand that we have to do something and set standards for what is happening. >> there in particular was a divide from the progressive wing of the caucus which essentially got rolled on this topic in favor of more moderate members. nancy pelosi was quoted in the "new york times" this week saying all these people referring to the four congress women, all these people have their public whatever and twitter world but didn't have

following their forepeople. that's how many votes they got. this has caused a.o.c. to respond public sentiment. this seems like a significant sharp exchange between two women, very high profile women in the caucus who had -- >> i think we will come back this week. we have to as a party figure out how to work with each other. i actually know rashida very well. we talk a lot. we are willing to -- i have a very different style than she does. you can't dismiss somebody -- the following that all four women is quite big and probably more than 100 members have in another way. i think rashida will say i

agitate. they have to come to the table and solve the problem. i say that to her and they are part of solving the problem. our caucus is successful because we are so diverse, but in our diversity we vooto make sure we don't act like republicans. >> how much of this divide do you think is potentially going to impact the incredibly difficult battles down the road? you have to lift the debt sealing, keep the government running in september. there seems to be a sense that they don't want to let their leaders tell them what to do. none of us will be told what we are going to do. we represent our districts and our job is to represent that district in the congress. i think we need to look at what happened before we left. it wasn't pretty. i am hopefully that members will come together and figure out how to listen to each other at the table and continue -- if we don't figure out how we are

going to work together, we are not going to make the progress that we need to make. and there are quite a few things we need to make progress on. >> you think there is a realization on that point? do they feel like if they dpoe too far they are doing more damage than good? >> john dingel used to say compromise is not a dirty word. we have to listen to each other. we have to put each other in each other's shoes. sometimes people like to really attack each other. if we are going to solve problems we have to work together. we make progress. progressive is progress. we have to make progress together. >> always great to see you. thanks very much for your insights. justin amash made wave biez abandoning the republican party. y with high protein and 1 gram sugar.

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back in may, congressman justin amash became the first republican in congress to call for the impeachment of president trump. this week he announced he is leaving the republican party. in an op-ed he writes that the two-party system has evolved into a threat for american principles and institutions. he is well aware the move could cost him reelection but he says it is worth the risk. then, there's this. >> is it possible you would run for president? >> i wouldn't rule anything like that out. i believe that i have to use my skills, my public influence where it serves the country best. i believe i have to defend the constitution in whichever way works best f. that means doing something else, then i do that. i feel confident about running in my district. i feel a close tie to my community. i care a lot about my community.

i want to represent them in congress. >> joining our conversation, former chief communications adviser to paul ryan and nbc contributor natasha bertrand. brendan, let me start with you on justin amash. this was a pretty scathing op-ed, the two party system has evolved into a threat. a lot of these remarks are aimed at the republican party. he has been pretty tough on this president. he has always been a loaner. >> i read the op-ed and agreed that partisanship and tribalism is a real problem and we need to think about more traditional things. my problem and what was missing from this was a my bad. justin amash had been one of the front runners of the freedom caucus in the house who drove us to partisanship more than probably anything in the last

five years. it's hard for me to read something from him talking about needing more compromise and people to get along more where anything that had a scent of democrat he wasn't voting for. >> we would end up being forced to take positions or run bills that we knew would never become law and we would get trapped in ditches or stuck or they would be upset. it's a cycle that we kept going through. i appreciate a lot of what he is saying. i wish he would acknowledge role he is playing in the problem. >> i think we also have to remember that the straw that really broke the camel's back here for justin amash seems was the mueller report, the obstruction that was outlined by mueller after months and months of investigating russia's election interference. that i think is the point at which he said we have republicans standing behind this guy who will not abandon him by any means possible, when we have

clear evidence of misconduct here potentially criminal misconduct by the president. so when he wrote that op-ed he did not mention the mueller report in that. that really has been the back bone for his entire departure from the freedom caucus from the republican party. >> i imagine you are aligned with brendan on this and possibly for other reasons. this is somebody that the administration has not exactly been fans of. he was very -- if anything, he laid out in the most clear terms of anybody with the lanl of republican on his back that the president potentially obstructed justice. >> i think it goes beyond that. there were many times when early in the president's administration we were trying to get bills through and couldn't do it because the freedom caucus or members would not get on board. that would force us to then go work with democrats and have to deal with the fact that they were upset that we were working

with democrats. it was a double-edged sword. he is not going to win reelection in his race in michigan. there are already polls showing him trailing by double digits to other nominees and so he can state his case and write it in a very well op-ed on independence day and go off into post public life. >> well, i guess we'll see who wins that fight. quickly, some of his freedom caucus colleagues obviously still in congress although in a much diminished role. they are getting ready to question mueller coming up next week. >> they are really excited about this and say they will try to expose the biases and try to expose inconsistencies in the report and in the investigation. one of the big lines of questioning that they have is when did mueller determine there was no quote/unquote conspiracy. there was a lot of obstruction of justice that occurred. and then the big thing they are looking at and homing in on is

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the relationship between the uk and the u.s. is being put to the test this week, twice. first came this moment on tuesday, alex morgan celebrating a goal against england in the world cup semifinals by mimics a sip of tea. then and possibly more significant, leaked memos first reported by "the daily mail" that reveal the british ambassador to the u.s., inept and uniquely -- sir kim derek reportedly wrote, quote, we don't believe this administration is going to become substantial more normal,

less less departmentically clumsy and inept. the foreign office defended -- ambassadors are allowed to be candid about what views. what the statement did not do is deny the leak. msnbc has not verified the existence of these mem owes. >> these diplomatic cables are supposed to be secret and candid, but at the same time this is a serious issue for the embass. >> it's pretty unprecedented to have this amount of anything leaked. this whole thing spans about two years since right trump took on the floor up to june 22nd. this is a massive leak. i think it's very obvious that someone wants derek out sooner, because he's due to leave by the end of the year, and when there's a new prime minister,

who may be boris johnson, he has the opportunity to appoint a new prime minister, even though they have a pretty good relationship. there's a lot of speculation about the motive of the leaks and also the journalist who wrote them. she operates in this twilight zone -- >> this is "the daily mail" reporter. >> she's very active in that space and close to nigel farage, who has been gunning for the position for british ambassador to the u.s. and the president has said in the past he would like to be the ambassador, so from people i have spoken to today, it seems like a very political move. theres no evidence, for example, that it was a hack, but this was clearly meant to get derek a bit muddied. >> mark, does this rise to the level of the president getting -- off and demanding that derek step down? >> not that i'm aware of.

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growing evidence of a humanitarian crisis on the southern border. >> democratic lawmakers denounce the conditions in detention centers. >> why hasn't there been more swift action? >> my explanation is it's extraordinarily challenging. >> we need to do better. >> it's adequate food and water. >> look at the inspector general's report. >> from every direction, you see that the children are being treated in a horrific matter. >> it's traumatic. i don't know how to explain to people what we saw. >> we have to find a bipartisan solution to this.

>> until they're willing to act, we won't see a significant change. >> no american should be comfortable with the conditions. >> he apologized yesterday. >> saying he's changed. >> was i wrong a few weeks ago? yes, i was, i regret it. >> i think it's about a week and a half too late. >> his lifelong record of standing of for human rights is -- >> american people know me. >> people don't fully know him. >> many doesn'ts are start taking the gloves. >> the buggist vulnerable is joe biden. welcome to our second hour. we're going to talk about the crisis at the border in a moment, but first we're looking at the shifting field of democrats. in the moment and in the hours after, it was must-see tv, between a rising black female senator and former senator.

kamala harry won, and left miami with a wave of positive reviews. today things look more complicated. what happened on that thursday night is how politics operates today. as performance and showmanship matter. every moment can become magnified. especially when the questions start, but days later, the former he vice president apologized. somehow is something to do -- as if my moments believe i took a hiatus the next eight years. they don't want to talk much about my time as vice president of the united states. >> it's funny, when i talk about the obama years, my opponents

talk about his ancient history. when others that you can about something i said in the '70s, they talk about it like it's yesterday. kind of strange, isn't it? joining me now chief correspond for "the washington post" dan and brendan buck is still with us. dan, let me start with you. you dug into this new polls. do you think the other way will cut the other way toward

kamala harris. >> i think she'll have more attention paid to her, in other way it's not helpful. the higher you rise, the more scrutiny you get and the tougher the questions become. she has had over the time she's been a candidate for president, moments where she's not been as consistent as you would think a candidate ought to be or would be, one is on this question for he insurance she seems to have gone back and forth on that. her staff vigorously denies that, but nonetheless there is the question. she now says she basically is against mandated -- government mandated bussing, which is what biden sis his position was back in those days, so her campaign says, it was about him being on the wrong side the history back

then, but again it forces her to answer questions that are a bit uncomfortable. what it means is that moment in miami was great for her, but the farther we get away from it, it's muddier than it was in term of what that moment men. >> i think the question has always been, does it sustain. i will say, after receiving many e-mails and text messages from the various campaigns, i appreciated the succinct summary of who said what about bussing, because good lord. cedric rich more, can i bring you into this conversation? you and i spoke very recently and you have beens the vice president on this very high liter charged topic. he ultimately did decide, as he was going to face an african-american audience, he did need to offer some words of regret for the way he spoke about working with segregationi

segregationists. do y do yous. >> recognitioning -- i believe too many people heard of fonds in with his work, and that's the probably they had real trouble with. once he sat back and said, i didn't like them, they didn't like me, we just worked together to get things done, but when he looked at how it was perceived, i think this bothered him, so that's why he did it. i want it a few minutes ago, i worked with president donald trump to pass criminal justice reform. 4,000 people are coming out of jail because of that. none of these candidates are criticizing me for working with donald trump, who we know has racist views or tendencies, so

it's ironic that these senators would criticize him for working with people they didn't like when some of these same senators worked with president trump to pass criminal justice reform, and we all know exactly who he is. the words were taken really out of context. >> were you counseling the vice president privately, or would you have told him privately it was an idea to express regret for his comments about segregationists specifically? >> we had a long conversation. the problem with these debates, you don't have a long time to say the answer. he talked about the senators didn't like him, but to make progress, this is like sausage. it's not pretty, it's not nice, it's not convenient, but it is necessary if you're going to move this country photographed. that's the kind of conversations we had. once i think it hit him that

people thought he was talking of a fondness of working with these segregationists he want to make it perfectly clear. they didn't like me, i didn't like them, i left a good paying job because of my commitment to civil rights. i think people need to understand where he was in history. >> why do you think it took so long for him to realize that? >> because the number of people saying, first it was, well, you referenced the word "boy." they were talking about ted kennedy. and then they said you worked to accomplish stuff, the voting rights act for 25 years. no one in the senate can pass a bill for one days, let alone years. but what it got to him, you talked about it like it was okay. i think he wanted to be clear that it wasn't and that he wasn't fond about it.

i think that's what the apology was. >> okay. >> so i think that's leadership. >> susan page, i think it underscores why this thing is as muddled as it is. in the bigers picture, past the exact bussing questions and segregationist questions was the overall impress that joe biden gave on the stage, and he seemed to explain this over the weekend with chris cuomo, that it was personal, kamala harry was close to his late son, he knew her, but the reality is that's as much as why having trouble getting his feet under this. >> it seems completely predictable he would get questions and pushback, it should have been no surprise that it was going to happen what

alarms supporters of the vice president is he seemed not very crisp and disciplined in the debate, but that it took him 2 1/2 weeks i need to express regret about what i want about working with segregationist senators. the problem is not only did he work with them to achieve things, it's some of the things he clef, including the crime bill, for instance you know hi strength is he has all this experience that's made him a familiar figure. his weakness is that he has decades of things he's done and said in the past that can be scrutinized in the light of a different democratic party. >> and all of this comes back to whether or not who is the best person to beat president trump, who is at his highest approval rating in the new "the washington post"/abc news poll. you quote -- his approval rating

is net negative, and he's acted in wait that were unpresidential. still roughly one fifth of those who say he's not president yay say they approval of the job he's running. he trails decisively only to former vice president joe biden. there is some real evidence information poll that the biden's campaign's theory of the case is he is the one person in this field that can appeal to enough moderate, independents, appeared republicans in these state that handed president trump the presidency. >> as susan was saying, there's questioning about his readiness right now to be an effective candidate. in some ways, the poll i think reflects a broader sense of who biden has been and why he would match up well against trump. the question is, will he perform

to that level and continue toss seen as the most electable? the economy is strong, he's got a 51% approval rating on the economy on every other issue he's got a negative rating. and people are giving him more credit for the state of the economy than they were six months or a year ago. all of that is good for him. there are obvious problems that he's got. we know he hayes a historically low approval rating for incumbent seeking election. the gender division is solidly among females solidly against him. wimmer overwhelmingly in favor of the democratic candidate. so he's got problems he's got to deal with, but can he get there? base odd this poll, yes. >> the numbers in this poll are

dramatic, includes that you run a generic socialist, only 42% of women would vote. >> it's what we saw in 2018 when he lost the house, suburban women are strongly against republicans right now. the problem is the president has shown a resistance to help that. he tends to go back to his safe space. the things that get people at the rallies fired up. i think his base is well fed. heads needs to find ways to get beyond that. the economy is an issue i think where he can, he needs to focus on that for a while. >> unless you're -- you can also look at it here's a president presiding over the longest economic recovery that we have ever recorded in our history, and he's doing no better than even guess any of the top five?

you could look at it that way, too. >> part of is what we have seen almost from the beginning of the presidency, this country is not just deeply divided over his presidency, but dug in on those question questions. what does joe biding need to do? i think he -- but too focus on his years -- bring up the grant program you passed along with president obama to integrate schools right now that donald trump got elected,

rescinded and none of the senators in the senate were able to do anything about it. part of this is protecting all the who, he did i wouldn't relitigate something 20. 30 years ago. they did a lot of work on integrating schools, and people are talking about 40 years ago, and i think what he needs to do is is, remind what i did while in the white house. and i think that people will start to see it. >> i certainly think that's the strategy we saw the vice president start to educate on. thank you, congressman, for joining us tonight. >> thank you. it's never easy to be dhs

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welcome back. joining me now republican senator from west virginia and appropriations committees mechanic shelly moore capito. senator, great to have you on the program. >> thank you, kasie. good top on. >> let's talk about the opioid emdemocratic, something that's deeply affected so many american communities, but has frankly been pushed out of the spotlight sometimes by some of the other issue that is have been the focus during the trump administration. do you feel as though meaningful progress is being made on combatting this epidemic from your position in congress? or are we still at a point where this is getting worse, as opposed to any better?

>> i think ear seeing the latest statistics coming out for the end of 2018, to actually see some improvement with overdoses. what i think has been good is the things we have done in the senate, by partisan and with the house, with the president's signature, with stopping the flow of drugs into the country. fenn fentanyl we've worked on especially, the all kinds of transitional programs once you go to recovery, where are you going to go from there, but it's hit us particularlily heart, and we have a lot of solutions here, and we're going to show those to the acting secretary. >> what is your ask? what do you need from dhs? >> one of the things we put in the budget was at the border, entry centers, to make sure we have better detection equipment,

so when trucks are coming through, you can detect it without having to go through every single semi to find that kilo of heroin buried in the middle. they are working on that technology. that's something that the secretary wanted and the president waited. we moved forward on that. we're working on stopping it coming through the mail, which is very helpful against for our border patrol and immigration folks. those are the things that we're also going to be looking at, forensic evidence, we're doing a program with marshall university to talk about that. and then we're going to talk to first responders at the ground level that are administering the naxolone, some i think the secretary will be interested to see. >> senator, since you raced this issue about the border, i want to talk about that more broadly. >> okay.

what we've been hearing from the dhs's own inspector general, from reporting accounts on the ground, from children held at these facilities, i mean, we have some just absolutely heartbreaking picture that children who are held at some of our facilities have drawn presumably of depicting themselves, the conditions in which they've been living. they're obvious separated from a family members. we have heard records of them on the phone with their family members or loved ones crying. they've been in soiled clothing with no access to diapers. how is it that this is going on in america? >> well, i mean, i join with you and others and see pictures like this, and they're disturbing, and they are, i think emblematic of the deep problem and hum

humanitarian crisis we have, that this 4.6 billion was so absolutely critical, not just for medical facilities, but to handle the crowd. we don't want to have children in custody for more than 72 hours, and some were being held longer than that, but dhhs did not have the facilities to be able to move and transport children, so that's why this money will be absolutely critical to solving some of these issues, but you know, i can't defend, and i don't think anybody would, and i don't think the acting secretary is, either, in temples of cruel treatment or inhumane treatment, all of this needs to be uncovered if it's happening, where it's happening, and corrected, but it shouldn't broadband happening. >> well, i mean the president did say that some of these -- the facilities are doing a great job. there was one report on one facility referring to clint,

texas, has tainted the entire system. do you trust president trump to treat they migrant children the way any child in the world should be taken care of if they came to the united states? i think the issue is, we have a fight about bets. how many beds do we have? how many can we house at a certainly facility? this is an issue of funding and resources. last month over 80,000 of those were families, we just weren't prepared. the president and the acting secretary have been talking about this for months i think the president, although he may express it differently, i don't think he wants to see any child in these kinds of conditions that have been described. so to get the resources, which he has been pushing for is

absolutely critical. >> still, there have been reports that -- "new york times," for example, reported that they did a deep dive into this clint facility, drew it out, they named the guy who runs it and quoted him as saying questionable things, he's known as an immigration hard-liner, and the facility was rejecting donations of diapers and food and other things. how do we, you know, maybe sure that the people running these facilities are doing it in a way not just with our values, but with our laws. >> that's what oversight is for. i think that that's what an inspect or general's report is for. of course, like anybody, i would rather see it not occurring, so we wouldn't have to hear about it, but we have to prevent going forward. that's the humanitarian aid is absolutely critical for.

if there are bad actors in the border patrol, i heard the acting secretary say this morning those folks will be disciplined to the full extent, which i think are very string end. ,000 a lot of good people that are doing the right thing. they are simply overrun, and when you're overrun and deluged, there's too much happening at one time, sometimes things happen that are unintended. i think that's what happened here. certainly number of times numbs story did reflect there were clearly some members of the border patrol who are very troubled by this and trying to do the right thing. senator, thank you for being on the program. >> thank you. have a good evening. when we return, frustrations in the democrats' ranks at a time when they need to be more unified than ever. fault lines.

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it's no secret that there has been frustration among the ranks of house democrats that leadership isn't charging harder

at the trump administration. haunted by the reagan era. past defeats still care the older leaders, but not the younger generation. democratic leader likes nancy pelosi, joe biden, steny hoyer and chuck schumer w. shaped by the breakup of the new deal coalition and the rise of ronald reagan and the backlash that swept democrats so thoroughly from power nearly 40 years ago. they're crouching into the defensive posture they've been used to since november 1980. to grimm's point pelosi hasn't been shy in how she's handled some likes include when it came to the controversial immigration bill last week. she told maureen dowd the four

made themselves irrelevant, quote, all these people have their public whatever and their twitter world, she said, but they don't have any following. they're four people and that's how many votes they got. susan page, this particular quote strikes me as potentially explosive and long-lasting in terms of how the relationship playing out, particularly the squad, as these four have kind of come to be known i mean, reached hear her say many things similar to this, but this was remarkably personal, and it got a response from aov, the public "whatever" is what we call public sentiment, and that kind of fits into ryan grimm's point in the interesting piece in the post, that we are all shaped by our experiences and they see

this in different ways. >> dan, what is your view on how this plays out? i find myself making razz kind of running against their leadership. it doesn't necessarily go super-well for them. do you think those comparisons are accurate? >> well, i think there's some validity to that argument, but i also think there's something about this that's different. i think there is a deeply generational aspect to what's going on here, and you see it not just in the four that we're talking about versus the speaker and some others in the leadership, but you see it more broadly across the party. you see a party that has changed dramatically even in the last 12 years. this is a different party with a

new generation of democrats who don't see the world in the same way, who are more impatient, who believe there are issues that the democrats need to be stronger and bolder on, and to some extent you're seeing it in the tensions in the democratic presidential nomination fight. >> brendan buck, do you have any advice for nancy pelosi for dealing with this situation? >> actually in defense the aoc, i think thee lightyears ahead of where the freedom caucus was, and she's been there four months and she has more influence than the freedom caucus. >> but the parallels are stark for me. it's also the same language they're using, if we just fought harder, and maybe they'll come to learn, as some of our guys have had trouble learning,

there's certainly rules. they struggle with accepting the boundaries of their own power and what is possible. that's where a lot of angst comes into the house. >> you also see it on the impeachment debate. for nancy pelosi and others, their views were shaped by the experience that republicans had when they impeached bill clinton. that's not the experience aoc had. her perspective is there's a moral issue, we should move ahead for political and philosophical reasons. that is another example of where you've been shane much shapes where you stand. s. >> pelosi in our conversation with maureen dowd talks about it's not about republicans, you know, and she essential said about mcconnell, mcconnell doesn't care about the children. she want the focus to be on that, about you that's not the animating force. it's certainly part of it, but

they're running good -- >> they're -- it's not just push it to the left, but push it forward, in order to do what you're talking about, which is to maximize the vote in november. how do you do that? there's still a big debate about it. the notion of the white working class coming back to the democratic party, the white working class for ought intents and purposes has been lost to the democratic party for years. can they get a few more back? perhaps, but that may not be the right way to win the election. i think that invite people in the democratic party, whether they're the new members of the house or some of the people running for the nomination, believe that the way to do it is to focus on the rising part of the democratic party and maximize the turn out there. that's a genuine debate. i don't think anybody has the right answer or the silver bullet, but that's the fight that's going on. >> it seems like that's a lot of

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new reports continue to shine a light on just how dire the conditions are inside migrant detention facilities along the border. investigators for the inspector general published a report tuesday showing overcrowding at migrant facilities in texas. one senior manager called the situation a, quote, ticking time bomb. this comes as "new york times" reports that inside the detention center are hungry, scared and sick, quote, outbreaks of scabies and chickenpox has spreading. the president call it fake news, but also said this -- people who came from unbelievable property they had no water, no anything where they came from, those are people that are very happy with what is going on, because relatively speaking, they're in much better shape right now.

the border patrol has all of the law enforcement working on the border, it's incredible. they've had to become nurses, janitors, things that they were never trained to do, all because the democrats refuse to change the loopholes in the asylum and immigration laws. >> those are people that are very happy with what's going on, he said. there's also this. propublica uncovered a secret facebook group where agents made uncomplimentary. >> msnbc has been not verified this post or facebook group. congressman joaquin castro snuck his phone? and recorded this, where women's were telling congresswoman

"kasie dc" aboco "kasie dc" their experiences. thank you both for being here tonight to talk more about this. i really appreciate it. i'd like to start by showing you what the acting dhs secretary had to stay about particularly the "new york times" reporting on the clint, texas, facility. let's watch, and then i'll talk to both of you. >> you don't believe the "new york times" report? >> you're asking -- >> dirty clothing stench was they had scabies, chickenpox? >> you just referenced three things that are unstanch yaled, inadequate -- i'm not denying there's challenging situations. i've been talking about it the most. what i can tell sudden there's

adequate food, water. congresswoman, what did you see? >> the first thing we were greeted with were the tearing streaming down the faces of these women who were so miserable. they talked about not knowing when they would get out. they had there for over 50 days. they talked about not knowing where their children were. they talked about not having running water. in fact a border patrol agent telling them when they wanted it that they should just drink out of the toilet. then we went to the clint facility, where the unaccompanied children were. we went to the warehouse where between 100 to 200 children had been housed, and it's like a gigantic steel shed, but at that time it had no air conditioning, and the temperature went up to 100 degrees. but i'll never forget being at the cinder block cells, where we

did see the children locked behind it and a tiny toddler, just so miserable, but once he saw us smiling and waving came and pressed his little face against the cell door. it was heartbreaking. congressman kennedy mcle evenen and the president have basically dismissed this reporting, published over the weekend with excruciating detail and sourced to not just lawyers and people who have spoken to people who have been held will, but also people who worked inside the facility. what have you experienced and seen that could corroborate any of that reporting. obviously they're cleaning up ahead of time if members of congress are coming to visit. do you believe this reporting is not substantiated and shouldn't be taken as something that

require urgent attention. >> let's be clear, i believe the reporting. you don't have to take my word for it and the rest of us that were there. it was 13 women from cuba who the mom we walked in burt into tears and told us theirs stories, questions over the fate of their children, what the process was, access to medication, food, showers, everything else, but you also referenced the lawyers -- i've read a number of those affidavits. they're signed up the pains and penalties of perjury, folks risking their careers to come forward and call out the united states government for not making basic human marine centers for kids, for folks trying to claim asylum, which by the way is completely legal. our process allows for them to set foot on u.s. territory and claim asylum. the fact that our president, the fact that cbp, knowing that they

were so overstretched, because they said they were overstretched, but given that they didn't welcome a delegation of congress down to say, hey, we were not build to do what we are forced to do at the moment, help us get this word sow? the idea they told us where we could go, who we could talk to, it was outrageous. the fact is the system wasn't sets up to work this was. the trump administration has made it worse at every single opportunity they have had. >> congressman kennedy he voted in favor of the border tastes tans bill that caused a lot of consternation with democrats. why did you vote on this bill? >> so let's be clear. there were two votes. the first was a louse bill that had the vast majority, almost unanimous support. the second bill that came back, the senate version, mitch

mcconnell's bill, i voted against with great concerns i have raced largely around accountable. yes, the system in the short term needs the resources they need in order to treat folks that are claiming asylum, detainees in some sort of fashion, but there clearly needs to be accountability, and that version didn't have it, so i voted against it. >> congresswoman chu, do you agree with how democratic leaders handled the debate in the house? >> i was very disappointed that the second bill passed. i did the same thing as congressman kennedy. i did vote for the first house bill that would have required standards for the care of the detainees, but voted no on the second bill. i had -- i do not have confidence that the customs and border patrol is going to do what we think they should do, which is to have minimum

standards for sanitary care, and what our bull had were standards for medical care, for nutrition, and for hygiene. right now the right now the cd required to have detention facilities that are safe and sanitary, but they have wide latitude how we interpret that. we need specific criteria for what constitutes sanitary and especially the medical care is a part of that. this bill should say what the intended targets are. >> thank you both very much for shedding some light on all of this. coming up next, a dream team tries to change the reality of unequal pay. reality of unequal pay. maria ramirez!

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the u.s. national team has won four out of eight world cups. each of those titles was memorable. the players on this year's team will likely tell you their success rests on the shoulders of the greats that came before them. something about this group and this run felt different than the rest. maybe because the team effortly shrugged off criticism or because region rapino feuded with the president of the united states on her way to the golden boot as top scorer and the top player in the competition.

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before we go, let's talk about what you're watching in the week ahead. dan, what are you looking for? >> i'm going to be watching how the administration maneuvers its way about whether to add a citizenship question to the census. we will see where they go. >> a very, very important question. suzanne? >> on tuesday, arguments over the constitutionality of the affordable care act.

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