we've got a big show tonight, lots going on. i'm very pleased to say california senator kamala harris is here tonight. she obviously had a huge night at the first democratic debate. i have not had a chance to speak with her since that debate, but she's going to be here live here in studio with me in just a few minutes. i'm very excited about that. and just as a preface to that, i know you know how i feel about spending too much time on polls and all that horse race stuff, fund-raising, all the rest of that stuff, this early on in the campaign. you have know that is not my favorite thing to spend lots of time talking about this early on, but because kamala harris is here tonight, i do want to point out a couple of really interesting lines in the new nbc news poll that just came out

tonight. this has just come out within the last few hours. you might have seen the top line results already, among democratic voters nationwide, the new nbc news poll that is just out tonight shows joe biden on top of the field with 26%, then in second place is elizabeth warren with 19%. then there is a tie for third place between kamala harris and bernie sanders at 13 points each. so, that's the top tier, that's the double-digit crowd. biden, then warren, seven points back from biden, and then harris and sanders, six points back from warren. below the top four, we get into the single digits. pete buttigieg is at 7%. then, there are two candidates who are in the 2% club, at 2%, we've got both betoe o'rourke ad andrew yang. and then candidates in the 1% club, all of these candidates are at 1%, amy klobuchar, cory

booker, michael bennett, john delaney, they're all at 1%. and then there is a 0% club, as well. kiersten gill wiibrand at gooseg in the new nbc poll. this is just one poll. it's early on. strategically right now, basically the most important thing is that all the candidates are trying to hit at least 1% or 2%, since those are the thresholds that will help them get into the next two debates. but as i said, there are a couple of -- there are a couple of things i want to show you about this top tier of candidates, as they rate in the new nbc poll. and it's sort of on the subject of senator harris and her standing right now, since she's going to be our guest tonight in just a moment. also, honestly, because of that top tier of candidates, senator harris is the one who turned in the lowest fund-raising numbers in this last quarter that ended

right after the first debate. mayor pete buttigieg was only at 7%, ranked fifth in the poll, but in the last quarter, he was first in fund raising, he was up around 25 million. biden around 21.5, warren around 19 and sanders around 18. harris is polling at a top tier candidate, but she was behind the rest of the top tier candidate in terms of fund-raising at $12 million. again, i know it's easy to get lost in the sauce in the horse race stuff, right, pointlessly, because it's too easy to put too much weight on any one or two metrics early on in the campaign. but here's a thing that makes me particularly interested to be able to talk to harris tonight. given the dynamics that we can see in the race right now. and that is the fact that if i sort of put it in broad strokes, is that as i look at the numbers right now, as i look at the various horse race metrics, it looks to me like if she can

capitalize on what she's got going on, if she can grow her campaign to meet the moment right now, kamala harris, more than anybody else in the field, appears to be the candidate in the top tier right now who has the most room to run. who has the most interest, the most potential support out there from democratic voters who haven't yet committed to who they like. and you can tell from the nbc news poll, again, just out tonight, that it turns out almost no democratic voters have fully committed yet to who they like. nbc news asked democratic voters, is your mind definitely made up? only 12% said yes. my mind is definitely made up. i know who i'm going to vote for in the primary. people are willing to tell pollsters who they are inclined toward right now, but nearly 80% of them still have an open mind. so, then the pollsters asked, if your mind is not definitely made up right now, which of the other candidates besides your first

choice are you looking at as your backup, as your second choice? number one answer from democratic voters, senator kamala harris. then they tried to get it at, same sort of idea, a different way. they basically asked the, who are you intrigued by question. this is how they phrased it. leaving aside the candidate you support of your second choice, are there any other democratic candidates who you would consider supporting and want to learn more about? if yes, who would that be? and again, the top answer is the same. kamala harris. so, i mean, the top line results of this poll, overall, she's tied with bernie sanders for third place, behind biden and warren, but senator harris is getting more second looks, more interest from people who aren't already supporting her than any other candidate in the field right now. and that translates to room to grow, when she is already a top tier candidate in terms of polling. so, i mean, if she can build a

capab campaign, if she can run a campaign and raise the money she needs to and capitalize on that interest and reward people that come looking to find out more about her, by giving them a reason to stick with her, if she can do that, she's in a good position. and one of the most interesting positions, i think, in the whole field. and honestly, i think the interest in senator harris right now, and the number of people in the democratic primary who are willing to take a look at her, right now, it's likely being driven in large part by what this question is getting at. which candidate or candidates in the debates most impressed? you and by debates, they mean the first two nights of the first debate which were covered by msnbc, nbc and telemundo two weeks ago. which candidate or candidates most impressed you? democratic voters tell nbc news their number one answer is kamala harris. by a mile. 15 points north of elizabeth warren, who was the second response given there by

democratic voters. so, we're going to have senator harris here live in just a moment, at a really interesting time in the campaign, to be able to talk with her. she's obviously turning heads, she made a huge impression with her performance in the first debate, a commanding performance, if those numbers are anything to go by, but that debate was two weeks back now and the challenge is to build and grow and take advantage of it. she's been romming out a bunch of proposals and i'm happy she is here tonight. i'm interested to see how she is doing at this point in the campaign. so, that's coming up. also though, there is lots of news. today was frankly slightly nut balls in washington. i mean, there's always a lot going on at once, but today, there was a lot that was sort of pushing the envelope. today, the house you dish yat committee, for example, voted to authorize subpoenas to jared kushner, former attorney general jeff sessions, rod rosenstein, former white house

chief of staff john kelly, to trump's now awaiting sentencing mike flynn, campaign manager corey lewandowski. also david pecker from "the national enquirer" and an editor there, as well. these are guys that helped the president with his hush money payments to cover up alleged affairs before the elections. a lawyer named keith davidson is being is up pinaed. of course, michael cohen was the other lawyer who was involved in those hush money payments, as well, but he's already serving federal prison time for his role in them. also jeff sessions' chief of staff, jody hunt, who is still at the justice department, who has been the man at the center of this huge debacle for the trump administration over this census thing, which we're going to talk about in just a moment. jody hunt has been subpoenaed, as well. as has rob porter, who was gently nudged out of the trump white house after serious domestic violence allegations from both of his ex-wives put a little flesh on the bones of the story as to why he couldn't get a security clearance despite the fact that you really kind of

need one if you're going to be staff secretary to president of the united states. so, all in all, a nice bunch subpoenaed today by the judiciary committee. a nice bunch whose subpoenas have been authorized by the judiciary committee. they've been sort of plodding along in this very deliberate process of requesting testimony and then demanding it and then still not getting it and then demanding it some more and then ultimately making noises about how some day they'll win all of this in court. these new subpoenas are part of that slow roll from the judiciary committee, but they also represent an interesting escalation in terms of who they're targeting and how close those targets are to the president. judiciary chairman jerry nadler now has been authorized to send those subpoenas to each of these 12 guys, at will, when he wants to see them. we will see when he does it and whether we really are going to see any of these guys in the witness chair in an open televised hearing finally have

to answer questions. but here's an interesting twist. the other subpoenas that nadler was authorized to send out today, in addition to the 12 people related to the allegations of obstruction of justice, potential corruption and abuse of power by the president, the other subpoenas he was authorized to send out is about the trump policy of taking kids from their parents and other family members at the border. we reported earlier this week on a trove of significant incident reports detailing alleged mistreatment of kids at a border patrol in yuma, arizona. you may remember one of the things we reported was a detailed claim by a 15-year-old girl that she was sexually assaulted by a uniformed officer inside that facility. and although this significant incident report about that alleged sexual assault by a uniformed officer was filed with the trump administration more than a month ago, was filed with hhs, a case manager from health and human services filled out and filed that significant

incident report in early june, nevertheless, there's been no indication that that matter was ever followed up. there is no indication that that matter was ever investigated. after this girl came forward to formally report it. there's no indication that matter was ever looked into, until nbc news obtained an published that incident report earlier this week and called cbp for comment. now, finally, cbp says that matter is being investigated. today, the chief border patrol official in charge of that facility gave an interview to a local public radio reporter in arizona, and was asked about the abuse allegation involving that facility that he runs in yuma. >> has there been a chance for training for guards and agents or is it sort of a do the best you can every day? >> we're not, you know, child care professionals. i would say that. but in terms of detention and transport and those things, we are trained for that.

>> a child care professional. we are not trained for that. you know. this is the man running a facility that has been holding hundreds of kids apart from their parents, apart from any adult relatives. holding kids alone. dozens of them crammed into cells for days. crammed in so tightly they have to take turns sleeping because there is only enough room for people to lie down if others stand up. one of the kids say that the officers took away the mats on which the kids were allowed to sleep as punishment for complaining about the chlorine in the water making it too difficult to drink. we're not child care professionals, we're not trained for that. so today, on the child separation policy in general, the judiciary committee was authorized to start subpoenaing the trump administration for records and documents about that policy and about the ongoing practice of taking little kids away from their parents. on the yuma, arizona, allegations, a key oversight

committee in the house announced they are opening an investigation into allegations of physical and sexual abuse of migrant children by u.s. customs and border patrol officers. this is a direct result of nbc's reporting this week. the committee said they want all the significant reports that describe allegations of abuse of these kids by homeland security department staff. nbc reporter julia ansley said this week that while nbc's reporting this week was based on nearly 30 of these significant incident reports that nbc news obtained, she said that there are believed to be many, many, many other significant incident reports, in addition to the 30 or so that nbc saw. now that reporting has caused congress to demand to see all of them that allege any sort of abuse. so, congress should be able to get those. brace yourself for that. tomorrow, we're expecting more than 750 vigils and protests around the country under the

banner lights for liberty. these are going to be protests against how the trump administration has been abusing and mistreating immigrants in their custody. most of the protests are going to be physically right outside detention center end where immigrants and immigrant kids are being held. vigils and rallies and protests are going to be held outside the actual border patrol stations and the i.c.e. facilities that are holding people. one of these vigils that is planned for tomorrow is outside that yuma, arizona, facility that we've been reporting on all week. that one in yuma is expected to be a large event at 7:00 local time tomorrow night. we're expecting hundreds of these vigils and protests, these lights for liberty events. and this comes as the trump administration is once again threatening that they are about to start rounding up imfants and their families all over the country. and that, of course, has been a repeated recent threat, including from the president himself, just over the last several weeks.

and to be honest with you, we do not know if the new threats today that this is imminently about to happen, we don't know if these new threats from the administration are more realistic or more serious than all the previous threats that have come and gone from them. but -- if their aim here is to try to rattle people, certainly they are succeeding. if the aim is to scare immigrant communities and anger people that are upset about the way the trump administration has treated them, it's working. immigration officials announced these raids this weekend would target ten major u.s. cities. atlanta, baltimore, chicago, denver, houston, los angeles, miami, new orleans, new york and san francisco. the mayors of many of those cities are now speaking out, saying they will do what they can to block these supposedly impending raids to try to protect immigrant communities in these large cities. the mayor of chicago, for example, lori lightfoot announced today that not only would her city's police not

cooperate with immigration and customs enforcement in any of these raids, but she announced that chicago had cut off i.c.e. from having access to any chicago police databases. and she said that cutoff will remain permanent. houston's mayor, siylvester turner, told npr his city's police will not participate and cooperate with federal raids. and that, quote, we are advising people that they have due process rights. they do not have to answer the door. they do not have to let anybody into their homes. in new york, both the mayor of new york city and the governor of new york state told immigrant families today that the city and the state would help them fight for their rights and offered phone numbers for call for anybody approached by federal immigration agents. and so, these mayors and some governors and local officials who are blocking access to police databases and telling local police departments and city police departments not to

cooperate and they're offering legal advise to imgrant communities, making clear that i.c.e. is not welcome in their cities, these local officials who are doing what they feel they can, i mean, i think some of the consternation about these threats of imminent raids is about the fact that the trump administration seems to be such a chaos machine on this. they have threatened the raids. and so nobody knows if today's announcement that the raids are going to happen is just another threat or if it means that the threats might really happen. and if they are going to happen, why are they announcing them in advance anyway? i mean, even today, announcing these ten cities where raids would take place, right after they announced the list of ten city is, like, immediately after, i.c.e. then confirmed to the city of new orleans that actually even though new orleans was one of the ten cities on the list, oh, all immigration enforcement is going to be suspended in new orleans because of the huge freaking tropical storm that's bearing down on the city and about to become a

hurricane and already causing flooding. it will be a hurricane by the time it makes landfall this weekend, so maybe the federal government planning a gigantic immigration roundup in the middle of that in new orleans was not a brilliant idea, but maybe the federal government didn't notice the weather forecast until today? so, they announced new orleans and then immediately announced, no, new orleans, not you. now they've changed their plans. but did they have the plans anyway in the first place? is it comforting or disconcerting to see the federal government this confused and this imcompetent in even planning something this controversy and offensive? so, today, the mayor of new orleans found herself having to reassure immigrants in her city that they could safely evacuate the city if they want to. without fear that they might be stopped by federal immigration agents on their way out. she told residents, quote, safety first. and a part of that safety, which is a priority for the city of new orleans, is supporting the fact that i.c.e. will not,

repeat, will not have a presence in the city of new orleans. but in the midst of this chaos, and demonstrated imcompetence, there's obviously real concern over what might be about to happen. the white house has been trying to stoke as much fear and confusion about possible. part of their m.o. here seems to be the worse you treat immigrants, the more you demonstrate cruelty toward immigrant community is, the more you try to terrify people, the better that is for the country somehow, the more pain and fear you can instill in immigrant community, somehow that redowns to the white house benefit, that seems to be their calculus. in the midst of this confusion and the ongoing threats from the administration about these supposedlyimpending roundup us, national organizations, including the aclu, have been trying in advance of these raids to teach people about their rights. basic stuff, like, if immigration comes to your door, do not open the door. you are not legally required to let them in unless they have a warrant.

quote, ask why they are there. if you don't speak english, you have the right to have an interpreter. you have the right to remain silent. you have entitle d to speak to a lawyer. local aclu chapters and immigrants rights groups are blasting out hotlines to call if you are confronted by federal agents. the national aclu filed a preemptive lawsuit, attempting to ensure that any immigrants that are rounded up by i.c.e. are afforded a hearing before being sdeported. but i mean, this is a multifront thing. that same aclu is also in the midst of, right now, legally completely destroying the trump administration, officially, as of today, in what has just been a debacle from the very beginning, with the trump administration trying to recast and rejigger the u.s. census in a way that appears to be designed to undercut immigrants and latino communities specifically. the trump administration lost this in lower federal courts.

they took it to the supreme court, they lost it there, too, a couple of weeks ago. justice department lawyers who had been fighting for this for the trump administration conceded to the court that they had lost it. then trump made them take that back, that devolved into this bizarre comedy of errors where justice department lawyers and their trump-appointed bosses were telling the same judge different stories about what the government intended to do. it was like these officials from the same department had never met each other and nobody knew exactly who their client was anymore and what anybody was supposed to be saying to the court. well today, inevitably, the president announced that they are giving up on this effort to try to rejigger the census this year. he announced he has an amazing new plan which is better than that, which turns out just to be doing the census the same way it has always been done. stomping on trump's decision to give up on his census plan, the aclu, which has been a plaintiff in one of the cases that successfully blocked the white house on this, they put out t s

this, shall i say, stark statement from one of their lead attorneys today. the statement says, quote, trump's attempt to weapon nice the census ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper. it is clear he wanted to sow fear in immigrant communities and turbocharge republican gerrymandering efforts by dluting the political influence of latino communities. trump may claim victory today, but this is nothing short of a total humiliating defeat for him and his administration. joining us now is the you a thundershower of that statement, the dreker to of the aclu's voting rights project and one of the lawyers that argued the supreme court case. thank you forring with he being. >> thank you for having me. >> did you know what happened

when the president announced he would be making a statement from the white house on this matter in there is so much confusion. >> if you look at the statements over the last two weeks, it was this repeated, you know, incantation, we're just going to put it back on the census, even though the supreme court ruled that it was illegal, so, we were, candidly, scrambling to get our legal papers in order to challenge that new decision, to put a citizenship question on the census and make sure they didn't disrupt the printing process of the census questionnaires, which has already begun. >> why was it so dangerous in your mind for the president to go ahead and do this? hemounted a pr effort, trying to claim this was a benign question and wouldn't have a major impact and now saying it will be asked by other means, even if not on the census. why was it so dangerous to your mind that he might have been able to put it on there? >> we haven't had a question about citizenship on the census for 70 years. the reason is because survey professionals know that if you put that on there, it's going to cause people not to respond to the census.

the latest estimate from the administration about three weeks ago that about 9 million people would not respond to the census if that question were on there. just to put it into perspective. more people than in the state of new jersey. the 11th largest state. if you put them together, 12 seats in congress and 14 votes in the electoral college. all those people would have just went poof, right? and i would have changed the distribution of votes in the electoral cleollege, i would ha changed the allocation of $900 billion federal funds annually, and it all would have been to the detriment of immigrant communities. >> if the effort to put this on the census was about under counting immigrant community is, latino communities in particular, are you worried that that effect, essentially, will be achieved by the white house having made so much noise about this, by the president having mounted the sort of pr effort he has raised here? i mean, if people now associate the census with the president's ant

anti-immigrant rhetoric and sentiment, has the damage been done? >> you know, i hope not. we know that people's willingness to respond to the government survey is affected by the social and political environment and it's not a great one for participation in government surveys by noncitizens and by people of color. but we have about ten months now to really try to rally community groups, civic organizations, state and local governments who all care about full census participation and i think that's where our attention needs to go. >> in terms of what happens next, the president did announce -- i was not clear, but he said i will direct federal agencies to collect this by information by means other than the census. are you concerned about that? i'm not quite sure what he wants to do. >> well, he's said he's ordering agencies to do what they're already doing. the census bureau said they were going to collect citizenship data from the department of

homeland security, the social security administration in anticipation of the possibility they would lose this case. so, you know, they're already doing what he's ordering them to do and declaring victory by ordering them to do what they're already doing. so, you know, it's pretty remarkable situation. i think we're going to have to wait to see what the details of that are and see how that data is used before we pass judgment on it. >> in terms of the census, you won. and i know that it was a -- it was a bewildering battle, but congratulations. good to see you. >> thank you so much. >> dale ho. all right, senator kamala harris is going to be here live in just a moment. stay with us. stay with us

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click, call or visit a store today. see if you can spot the pattern. since the democratic presidential primary debate, california senator kamala harris jumped nine points in cnn's national polling. she jumped 13 points in the latest poll connected by quinnipiac. it's three points when you look at abc news. eight points up in the politico morning consult poll. emerson college shows the same thing. harris with an eight-point jump since the debate. the latest economist poll has her up seven since the debate.

a univision poll of hispanic primary voters shows that her support jumped 16 points following the june debate. according to suffolk university poll, she jumped to second place in iowa, following the debate. senator harris appears to be heading in one direction, and it is not down. as i mentioned at the top of the show, nbc news has just tonight released its first poll of the 2020 democratic race, so, we can't talk about a jump, because it's their first snapshot. but after biden and warren, harris is tied with bernie sanders at 13 points. it is clear at this point that kamala harris is a top tier candidate in this giant race. with that happening, how do you keep that momentum going? there's a whole lot of race still to be run. however do you capitalize on recent moves in the horse race like that? joining us now is california senator and democratic presidential candidate, kamala harris. thank you for being here. >> great to be with you, rachel, thank you.

>> i have not seen you since the debate. obviously america thinks you did well. how has it changed your campaign or how you are doing this? >> well, on a daily basis, it has not changed. i'm spending a lot of time in the primary states. this past weekend, it was in iowa, new hampshire, tomorrow i'm going to nevada. we're building up a great ground game and hiring staff and organizing around voting and registration. and -- but there is momentum, and the way i think about it is that it is steady and to your point, the trajectory is a good one, but there's still a lot of work to be done. i'm in this campaign to win it, i fully intend to win, but it will not be without a lot of hard work and smart work and i have a great team and so, one day at a time. one day at a time. >> one of the other things that happened in the wake of that debate in which you made such a splash is that some of the attention you not from the

fringe turned ugly. we saw birtherism-style attacks on you, this attack circulating online that you're not really black. >> yeah. >> when the president's eldest son briefly joined in that attack, for me, that was an ah-ha moment, that this is what the campaign is going to be like. if we thought that was in the past, there's no reason to believe that. made me wonder how you and your campaign approach issues like that, if you have a strategy for that kind of really ugly campaign, now that you've seen a taste of it. >> well, i mean, i have to be candid with you, i was not surprised and i found it really uninteresting. because -- it's just -- it's a revival of an old playbook that was debunked a long time ago. and so, everyone was used to it and as you can see, people -- and i really thank my colleagues and others democrats who are running in this race who spoke up. i have thanked them and i will continue to thank them. because it was bunk.

and -- so we're going to go forward. but look, the stakes are high, rachel, as you know. and people are going to play -- unfortunately, people play dirty. so, we have to be prepared for it, but ultimately, i think american voters and the american public want that we are going to -- those of us who profess to be a leader and want to be president of the united states have to prioritize educating the public about issues that concern them when they wake up at 3:00 in the morning, worrying about their families and their future. so, that's how i'm going to focus, and, you know, where necessary, we'll also punch back. >> let me talk to you about the sort of strange announcement that we got from president trump today concerning the census. >> yeah. >> as you know, the president and the administration had been trying to sort of rejigger the census in a way that was expected to undercut latino and immigrant communities. they lost in the courts.

but -- i was talking with dale ho, the voting rights lawyer from the aclu, you just saw on your way in here, about the possibility that maybe the damage is done, that maybe latino communities and immigrant communities have received the message that the census will be part of the way this administration wants to go after them and therefore, they should fear it, they should stay away from it, they should not respond. that will accomplish what the trump administration was trying to do here. what do you think about that as a worry and what do you think about how to counteract it? >> so, he's done incredible work, as has the aclu and many others. it's a legitimate point. we actually started to see that the day after the election in november of 2016. the number of families where the children did not want to go to school for fear if they came back, their parents would not be home. the number of families what did not send their child to the pediatrician, pediatricians were talking about this, because the fear that the child and the

family would have contact with the government. we have seen this over and over again. what we are seeing from then until today is constant displays of the fact that this administration and this president -- he is in the business of intimidating and instilling fear in peer. and in particular, those people he perceives to be vulnerable. i look at this through the lens of my career as a prosecutor. i'm going to tell you, rachel, the best tool in the tool belt of the predator against an undocumented immigrant is to convince that victim that if you report the crime against you, rape, child assault, fraud, it is you who will be treated as the criminal. so, when he makes these grand proclamations through his big tweets, what he is doing, i believe, intentionally, is trying to create fear in these individuals and these families. and that is not the sign of a strong president.

strength dshg the display of strength, in my book, is you lift people up, you don't beat them down. but this guy in the white house has a continuous pattern of trying to beat people down. specifically on this issue on the census. what we know and we have always been afraid of this. is that there are a lot of blended families in america. and by that, i mean, on this issue, families where certain family members will be documented, others not. what's going to happen? when the census taker comes knocking on that door, they're not going to answer the door, for fear that this being an agent of the government, might be in the business of deportation. or investigating who is in that household for purposes about deportation and not counting people. the result of that will be and include that people will not be counted. and who in particular? immigrants. who in particular? specifically, in terms of the largest population that we know has been the target of this

administration's, you know, fear campaign? latino immigrants. so, our legitimate fear and concern is that this census in 2020 will not be accurate. and the census, the united states census, which is conducted every ten years, is done as a reflection of our democracy, which is to say that we pay attention to who is here. we distribute resources based on the need and the population of communities. we draw lines and make decisions about elected offices and jurisdictions based on the population sizes. so, what this president is contributing to is a faulty census that we'll have to live with for the next ten years. it is highly irresponsible, because it is yet another example of this president trying to interfere and if not weaken our democracy. >> senator kamala harris is our guest. if you can stay with us, senator, i want to talk to you

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we are back with senator kamala harris of california, democratic presidential candidate. senator, thank you for doing this. >> glad to be with you. >> one of the things we are covering is the threat from the trump administration that there will be nationwide roundups of immigrants and their families. they've announced a list of ten and then changed it to nine major cities where they say they're going to target these raids. we don't know if they're actually going to do them. but it's been interesting to see mayors in these cities and some other officials -- i was struck by mayor lori lightfoot in chicago today saying chicago pd will not be cooperating with any raids and they will not have access to databases, permane permanently. it is striking to see the federal government be sort of stood up to by mayors, by local officials. that sort of conflict is

heartening in one way, it's also a little bit scary, in a way. what's your take on this? >> well, i think that -- and i assume that what mayor lightfoot is doing in chicago is similar to what, you know, mayor reed will do in san francisco, what mayor jgarcetti will do in los angeles, which is, we don't want the limited resources of law enforcement to go into the job that the federal government has got to do and we want our local law enforcement to be trusted by our community and not be feared by our community. because, again, as a prosecutor, i don't -- as a former prosecutor, but i saw it as a prosecutor, i don't want a victim of crime to be afraid to wave down that patrol car when she has been hurt for fear that if she stops that police officer, she's going to be deported. i'm going to tell you something. if she is a mother, if he is a father, they will endure any kind of abuse they have personally experienced to make

sure that they can go home at night and take care of their babies. which means they will not report bad things that have happened to them and therefore to their community, meaning our community, because by the way, a crime against any one of us is crime against all of us. and so, i applaud that mayor saying, we're not going to put local resources into that. and when we put local resources into something like that, we're going to go and prosecute criminal organizations. what are you doing picking up people who have not committed a crime? it's a misuse of resources. >> when you look at the cities they will be targeting, it is san francisco and l.a. and atlanta, baltimore, miami, new york. i think -- obviously it's large cities, but it's also places where they are going to have people that are protesting and confronting federal officers as they try to do this. a lot of people have suggested and i'm partial to this

analysis, that the president might be picking fights around immigration and displaying cruelty around immigrants and immigrant communities because he think lts it helps him politically, that it causes democrats and liberals stand up for immigrants and that should be be alienating the base that helps him get elected. if that is what he is doing, what do you think the antidote is to that sort of thinking? >> well, i am with you. i think that throughout this president's ten your, he has been throwing flames with, for example, that multibillion dollar vanity project of his called a wall, which, by the way, will never get built. and he's doing that to distract from the fact, with this hand over here, by tweet, he basically institutes a so-called trade policy that has resulted in farmers in iowa looking at bankruptcy, who have soybeans rotting in their bins because he has cut off a market they

cultivated over ten years or more in china. while he's doing this thing over here to get everyone riled up about immigration, he, on this hand, has had a so-called trade policy where it is, by some estimates, hundreds of thousands, as many as many 700,000 auto workers may be out of their job by christmas. while he's doing all that, he is passing trade policy where american families every month right now are spending $1.4 billion more a month on everything from shampoo to washing machines. he passes a tax bill that benefits the top 1% and the biggest corporations in this country while he made the promise to help working people and bestrayed them, saying he would deal with instfrastructui. there is no evidence of an infrastructure plan. the guy has to distract from the fact that he made the promises that i believe he had no intention of fulfilling. and he has failed to perform on every level by which we should

measure a president of the united states. not to mention failed as a commander in chief. and so he's going to create, as he often does, this distraction. i agree with you. and do these raids, which is a crime against humanity, i believe, in the way he is coming about this and the way he has been handling the issue, when you have babies in cages. i went down after the debate in miami. that next morning, i went down with my of my colleagues who are running, and we went douwn to a place in florida called homestead. in homestead, florida, there is a private detention facility that currently houses 2,700 children. and as a sitting member of the united states senate, julian castro was there, others were there, members of congress, they would not let us in. we walked down -- i walked down the road and got on a ladder to look over the fence to see what was going on and i saw children

lined up by gender, single file, like they're criminals, being led into barracks. so, these are the kinds of policies that he institutes, as a way to, one, extend, i think, what he believes, which is that he believes that we are not a nation that should embrace immigrants, but it's also to distract from the fact that he has failed to perform. he has failed to perform. and so, he engages in this exaggerate kind of response to an issue as a way to distract. i mean, you talk about commander in chief, you know, this is a guy who takes the word of the russian president over the word of the american intelligence community when it comes to the fact that russia interfered in the election. he takes and embraces the word of a north korean dictator over the word of the american intelligence community when it comes to an american student who was tortured and later died. he embraces a saudi prince over

the word of the american intelligence community when it comes to a journalist who was assassinated. and he does not want to be judged in this election based on all of that stuff. so, he distracts the american people. >> senator harris, one more quick break, i have one last question i want to ask you before i let you go tonight. senator kamala harris is our guest tonight. we'll be right back. guest tonight. we'll be right back. ♪ or - that the journey can't be the destination. most people haven't driven a lincoln. discover the lincoln approach to craftsmanship at the lincoln summer invitation. right now, get 0% apr on all 2019 lincoln vehicles plus no payments for up to 90 days. only at your lincoln dealer.

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families know that they do not want, by any stretch of the imagination, to lose is the ban on pre-existing conditions being the reason that people can't have access to health care. children being able to be on their parents coverage until age 27. that stuff has to come back immediately. there are so many people who have benefited from it. so, there have to be immediate priorities, but ultimately, i support medicare for all. i think that's where we are looking at a system where we've got to have people not have cost be the barrier to their access to health care. you know, i was in iowa recently and a pediatric -- a pediatrician who works in an emergency room, she said to me, kamala, you know we currently do have medicare for all. i said, how is that? she said, emergency rooms. right? and so, let's do it in a way that is actually more effective and cheaper, where people don't have access to health care because they're in crisis and where we're paying so much more because they're getting it at

the latest stage of their needs. let's have a system where we have everyone having access as a right and not a privilege to just those who can afford it. >> senator harris, leading democratic presidential contender. thank you for coming in. >> gnthank you, rachel, thank y. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. t back stay with us ♪

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all right, this should be interesting. tomorrow morning at 9:30 a.m. eastern tile, the d.c. circuit court of appeals is going to

hear oral arguments over that subpoena that congress sent to donald trump's long-time accounting firm, mazars. you might remember back in may, a federal judge i'm so hear for it. see you again tomorrow. it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. >> good evening, rachel. you really know how to break hearts. won't read us the transcript tomorrow night? >> we will have a recording.