>> life seems a little more precious now? >> he's encouraging us and pushing us. >> that's it for this edition of "dateline" i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning, i'm joling kent in new york. 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west. bracing for barry, new orleans and the gulf coast bracing for the worse. firsthand look, the vice president visiting border detention centers. hear his response to the border crowding and what some of those being held had to say. >> this is a manufactured crisis because the cruelty is manufactured. >> compelling account. members of congress testifying about what they say when they took a trip to the border. a new report about how much

money jeffery epstein has and how he used some of that cash on possible witnesses. >> we are beginning with breaking news on tropical storm barry. a large system approaching the gulf coast right now with 65--mile-an-hour winds moving about five miles an hour hitting louisiana, mississippi and alabama. expected to dump up to 25 more inches of rain in some areas. already turning up storm surge. heavy flooding is expected. residents ordered to evacuate. residents are under a curfew and shelter in place advisory. barry will become a category 1 hurricane by the time it makes landfall later today. louisiana governor is warning residents not to under estimate the storm. >> nobody should take this

lightly because it is a category 1 when it makes land fall. the real danger about this storm is never about the wind. it is always about the rain. that remains a very significant threat. >> the u.s. coast guard has prestaged assets along the coast. joining us now from new orleans, what are you seeing there now? >> reporter: jo, good morning to you. plaquemines parish here, you can see what has already been done. the storm isn't even here yet. this is a neighborhood that sits between two bodies of water. one behind me and the mississippi river is about half a mile in front of me now. we were here yesterday when the

national guard was sand bagging the area. the wind is picking up. this slow-moving storm expected to make land fall later today. i'm close to highway 23, the only way in and out of the area. if the water continues to move so quickly into the highway, you can see why authorities wanted to evacuate the residence in this community. the good news for new orleans is that the river crest, the fear in the week that those would crest at 19, 20 feet overtopping the levees, that is no longer a concern. the river has crested at 16, 17 feet. because barry is such a slow moving storm, the threat of storm surge, flash flooding is very well. especially historic levels of rainfall. we are looking at potentially 10 to 20 inches of rain coming this

way. we've heard from the governor of louisiana, i've talked to the sheriff and the message is do not underestimate the storm. they think it is a category 1 and keep going about their day but this is what they could run into driving around the streets. the message is hunker down and wait for the storm to pass. >> how much have people learned from katrina. it was 14 years ago now. what is the takeaway less on as folks get ready for the storm. >> reporter: do not underestimate these storms. talking to national guard members who were born and bred in louisiana saying nobody really expected that from katrina. yesterday, they were sand bagging and urging residents to evacuate because of the less

ones learned from katrina. of course, barry is nowhere near those levels but you can sense the uneasiness of the people there. >> thank you so much. let's bring in bill karins. what is the latest time line for barry to make land fall? >> a little later than we were expecting. good morning to you, jo and everyone. overnight, the big headline was that the mississippi river didn't rise as high as they were calling for. the storm surge was 1 foot instead of three feet. that is fantastic news. eliminate that problem. we were always saying the rainfall would be the biggest issue. we have to wait and see what happens over the next 48 hours. let me go through some of the numbers. still at 65 miles per hour. that hasn't changed. it is drifting or walking three

to five miles an hour. right along the coast. because it is moving at such a slow speed, they are thinking land fall might be this afternoon. between noon and 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. there is not an eye. we are not worried about this eye coming on shore. it is more of a historical thing. let's get to the forecasted path. they do say it could become a low-end hurricane. that's more or less a historical thing too. we'll get some trees down and power outages. then it takes itself all the way over louisiana. and to arkansas, dissipating monday night to tuesday. that takes us to the final maps. giving us the alerts here.

taking us to the warnings. tropical storm watch. mostly because of the winds. we've had a wind gust up to 63 on the coast. not enough to cause any damage. it is not a wind issue. it will be a rain issue. storm surge, we've heard reports of two to three feet on the coast. i mentioned the one-foot storm surge in mississippi and new orleans. they still have the storm surge warnings out. let's get to the problem. this is going to be the issue as we go through out the day today and tomorrow. we have flash flood watches all the way now. the entire state of mississippi. mobil has gotten drenched, then the eastern half of arkansas. some areas they were saying were

in the 20 inch category. this little spot here is 15 inches. the area of greatest concern with the high risk of flash flooding where roads could be closed, communities cut off, that is in this area from southern portions of mississippi, baton rouge to houma. we could see 10 to 15 inches of rain that could fall in the next 24 hours. the greatest concern is the small rivers and streams in those areas. if you want to google something about people that have been affected by flooding. look at bat on rouge three years ago. over 100,000 homes damaged because of flooding. they are looking at the possibility of another significant flood. they went through what they thought was a once in a lifetime

flood three years ago and now this today. >> would you. thank you. we are getting a new startling image of the crisis at the border as vice president mike pence toured an overcrowded detention center in mcallen, texas. thiss what he and a group of republicans witnessed. over 400 men behind a fence with not enough room to lie down. the reporter traveling with the vice president said it was sweltering hot and the stentch was horrendous. the detained men said they were hungry and wanted to brush their teeth. they had been held 40 days or longer. >> no shower. no shower. >> no phone calls. nothing. we are not a terrorists. >> then on twitter, vice

president blaming democrats who refuse to fund additional bed space. congress approved $4.5 billion in emergency border funding. >> the vice president touring a new holding facility. he sought to discredit multiple reports and photographs that show migrants and children are being detained in deplorable conditions. >> every family i spoke to said they were being well cared for. different from the harsh rhetoric. our people are doing their level best to provide care to these families in a manor the american people would expect. >> hours after the house oversight committee released a report with details about more than 2,000 migrant children separated from their parents. 18 under the age of two and nine were less than a year old. hundreds detained longer than legally allowed. the committee held a hearing in

which several democrats visited centers last week. they testified to what they saw including congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> this is a manufactured crisis. cruelty is manufactured. >> these women tell me they were put into a cell, their sink was not working. we tested the sink ourselves and it was not working. when they were told to drink out of a toilet bowl, i believe them. what is worse than this is the fact there are american flags hanging all over these facilities. children being separated from their parents in front of an american flag. women were being called these names under an american flag. >> i.c.e. mass arrests of more than 2,000 families is expected to begin tomorrow.

the main target is those with deportation orders. activists are reminding undocumented immigrants of their rights. including the right to remain silent and asking for search warrants before anyone enters their homes. going now to our guests. coauthor of politico's playbook. when the vice president toured the processing facility, he was giving them a lot of credit. when he toured the crammed detention center with harsh conditions, he's blaming democrats. what do you make of it? >> it is the vice president's job to defend what the administration is doing. conditions are not up to par which is why congress had to pass the $500 million package.

the problems are there. the vice president is going to down play that. >> just as they are calling on democrats to fund more detention beds. asking the supreme court to allow them to use pentagon money. can they have it both ways? >> it is tough. there is a contradiction there. what is interesting is that pence invited democratic senators to go along with him to see the conditions. democrats confused. they didn't want to be used as a political prop to make this a bipartisan visit. the reporter, i don't think they expected bringing him along would cause such an out war of what he tweeted which was those pictures of those men behind almost bars and calling the stentch horrendous. those are the conditions they

find themselves in right now. >> also during yesterday's hearing, congresswoman was speaking about the six children we know have died in custody. does her testimony change what will happen here? >> i don't think it does. a lot of these members, for instance, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, called this a manufactured crisis. she's outside of the main there. whether or notes that going to produce any additional action other than that border supplemental that the house was forced into passing. that's probably very unlikely. everyone is kind of locked in their position already. >> i want to talk about the mass i.c.e. arrests planned for this

weekend. the president confirming them. with he saw the raids like this happen frequency under obama. there wasn't a lot of public attention on them. is president trump making this more of a political stunt by publicizing them? >> it looks like it. people at dhs are concerned that president trump removed the element of surprise. so it makes their lives harder to conduct these arrests. a lot of these immigrants have gotten wise as to how to avoid these arrests. if they hear knocks at the door tomorrow and the next week, they can just not open the door. i.c.e. cannot just enter. you could have a situation where they announce these big raids and they don't get many immigrants because people know

they are coming. this is why you don't publicize these things. >> is that a political victory for the president? are democrats going to see this as ongoing public outrage? is. >> i think both sides will try to claim victory or seize on it. that's what they do in politics. i think the administration is probably very confident that they are going to at least get a sizeable amount of immigrants for these deportations. whether that number is higher or lower than expected. you'll likely see the administration claiming victory. that's what they do. in terms of what democrats do, they'll continue calling it what it is. they think it is inhumane or a bad practice even though it has been going on a long time. >> i want to talk about special counsel robert mueller.

his temperature has been delayed at least a week. they are now going to have an extra hour to ask him questions. all committee members will be able to ask him questions from both sides. daniel, his testimony will be two days before the congregational august recess. was this a good thing for democrats? it was reported it was requested by special council? >> yes. i think nancy pelosi is probably celebrating today. if he had testified next week, there could have been more time in the proimpeachment caucus to build up support. instead, if he testifies on the 24th, then you have a couple of days of people chewing over his testimony and then everyone is off to recess and that reduces the number of new members that might be enforced to push

impeachment. pelosi and senior democrats, they don't want to have to focus on impeachment because they know that would be bad for 2020 and their chances for november if they have to defend the position that most americans do not support just yet. >> what do you think? >> yes. the august recess will be a big break. all of these members will separate and go back to their town halls. there will not be the mounting pressure to really force them to bring out more proimpeachment democrats. another thing mueller said when he made his one statement in may was that, you know, he's not going to reveal any ig other than what was already said. it doesn't matter. when it was on tv and publicized, you'll see a lot of

democrats use that as momentum for impeachment. >> i'll give you the last word here. >> most americans, including many members of congress haven't actually read the full report. so this is mueller actually reading it for them in a condensed form. >> thank you both for joining us. good to see you guys. the latest allegations against jeffery epstein saying he attempted to payoff witnesses. what it means as a judge is expected to take up his bail request. the more, the merrier. got to have this stuff in the morning. oh, that's too hot. act your age. get your own insurance company. carlo, why don't you start us with a little bit of cereal? you can spread it all around the table. and we're gonna split the warm hot dog. and i'll have a glass of grape juice to spill on the carpet.

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>> we are keeping a close eye on tropical storm barry, packing winds up to 65 miles an hour strengthening and expected to make land fall later today. we've got meteorologist bill karins that will update us but first, new revelations from the u.s. attorney's office in manhattan which is lengths that epstein tried to quiet witnesses. evidence that he paid up to $350,000 to potential witnesses. this was released in 2018 after

the "miami herald" reported on these. epstein not charged with association to these payments. if convicted, he faces up to 45 years in prison. joining me now msnbc legal contributor. you heard those comments from a woman speaking out against epstein. the legal team has called her credibility into question but there are other alleged new victims. >> if you recall, we had the situation with the bill cosby trial. the second time he was tried, there was a parade of victims. we know with the harvey weinstein case, when you have several victims. when you have a number of victims, it lends more strength

and umph to the prosecution against a sex predator, specifically regarding jeffery epstein. his story surfaced just last year as you mentioned when the miami herald did exceptional journalism about the deal made there. the payments made, the $350,000 were made within days of that story coming forward. there is a suggestion being made by the prosecution that epstein is trying to buy off and silence potential witnesses against him here in the southern district of new york. you add to epstein's problems, at least 12 new identified victims and accusers have come forward. let me be clear, you are innocent until proven guilty. but the fact that we have 12 new victims lends to the fact that this is the redo of the

prosecution in florida. >> they are saying the government waited too long to bring charges and will force an explanation about, quote, why it purposely delayed the prosecution. what is the case here? has the prosecutor's case weakened because of the time that has passed? >> when you look at the argument raised, you have to look at whether there is retroactivity. can you look at the date the law was changed that maybe did away with the statute of limitations. can you look backwards in time or does it mean when the date was changed, you can only look forward. we do know there were changes to the child sex trafficking laws. we do know epstein is looking not only at child trafficking and conspiracy to traffic. there will be a lot of legal

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breaking news on tropical storm barry. for the first time in new orleans, all major flood gates in and around the city have been closed. tropical storm barry is slowly approaching louisiana packing winds up to 65 miles an hour. mississippi and alabama are also in the path way of this storm. barry is expected to dump up to 20 inches of rain in some areas. it is churning dangerous storm surge. is expected to be a cat 1 hurricane by the time it makes landfall today. they are saying rain bands are moving on shore right now. >> yes. the mobil area and southern mississippi, the winds are whipping. the storm has never been well organized. that's why it is a thunderstorm. most big storms look like begles this is kind of like a croissant. there is nothing on the northern

half at all. the whole entire bad portion is the southern half. the stuff that is not on shore yet. that will happen later today and tonight. you can see that a little bit on the radar. this goes back over the next six hours. there hasn't been a lot of rain over land. you can see the rain over the water of the gulf of mexico. the storm moves a little further north. the dry air kind of erodes from the storm which was prohibiting it. you are watching areas like biloxi, mobil, new orleans hasn't gotten a lot of rain. the big news overnight was that the mississippi river only crested at 17 feet. there was fears of 19 to 20 feet, which would crest over top. they prepared for the worse. didn't happen. more about when it makes landfall.

looks like it may be noon or 1:00 or so. it has been moving slowly and the coastline is kind of jaged. there is no eye. it is going to rain itself out. that's the big story. taking you to the europe model. this is at 7:00 p.m. the storm is on shore, notice there is not a lot to the westside of it. the east side is the heavy side. pouring rain is the red. we are concerned with the bat on rouge area. notice new orleans only getting light rain. i'm not as concerned with new orleans right now. you are really going to be spared on this one. all of the flooding potential there from louisiana, mississippi border. from sunday north to southern arkansas and greenville. notice this band, still, even sunday, all the way back down. that's why the flood threat.

joling, they issued a high risk of flash flooding for this area of pink. southern new orleans and mississippi. this is life-threatening flash flooding likely today. that's our concern now with barry. >> what does this mean for the rest of hurricane season? what are you taking here and applying? >> one storm doesn't tell you we'll have more bad storms or an active or inactive season. one thing i take ra way is that the mississippi river has been very high because of all of the snow and rain this spring. this was a major event. they've never had this much rain. if we get another big storm in the next two to four weeks,

that's a huge fear. it is a what if. it would be scary. they would be in trouble. >> all right bill karins, thank you so much. joining me now, former fema official who worked on hurricanes katrina and sandy. thank you for being on. what is your chief concern right now with barry? >> my chief concern is the water. it was just reported it is going to be a very significant flood event. the storm surge is going to back up the rivers which is where the water naturally flows. people will have to be very careful. there will be flooding throughout louisiana, mississippi and arkansas over the next couple of days. >> folks in the region have been told take this storm seriously. what is your advise? >> absolutely. people take so much advantage and they put so much stock in the category of the storm.

the water is what kills people. more people die from flooding and drowning than from wind. >> what does fema do in advance of a storm like this? we are reporting on it and covering it but what does fema brace for? is. >> it is preparedness. this is primarily a state and local responsibility. the government through fema is there to back them up. they've been leaning forward and moving resources into the states and keeping them out of harm's way but close enough so when the need arises and the state requests it, the federal government can step up and provide the resources they have. >> what about recovery after the storm. how long could that take? what goes into that? >> recovery is complicated and complex. it could take many, many years. if depends on the severity. they'll have teams on the ground

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for barry. right now, the storm is on track to hit the louisiana coast as a category 1 hurricane. the biggest threat is the dangerous storm surge expected to come with it. over 20 inch $of rain is expected. we'll have a live report from louisiana at the top of the hour. now let's get to politics. diversing stories after different visits to migrant detention facilities. vice president pence visiting facilities and congress womg alexandria ocasio-cortez discussing visiting as facility in texas. joining me now, our two guests.

boston radio show and columnist. are they acting like a deterrent? >> the trump administration wants everyone treated as humanely as possible. it is an enormous crisis. there is only so much resources available to handle this massive influx of migrants. i'm very happy the vice president pence went firsthand. i want to highlight, he invited senate democrats and not one would join him. >> i just want to say, she's not answering the question. >> do you think it was intentional. that was the question. >> you are asking me if the trump administration is making

these facilities subpar to detour the migrants from coming. is that what you are asking? >> yes, i am. yes. >> no, i don't think they are. some of these facilities are in good conditions. in one of the facilities, the families were treated properly, they had food. in the other facility where the men were, it was overcrowded and the problem is that border patrol is overwhelmed. democrats refuse to do anything. they refuse to give president trump and the administration the money to fix this crisis. only now, they agreed to this $4.6 million in supplemental humanitarian funding. better late than never but they should have gotten ahead of

this. instead of denying it was a crisis, they should have helped president trump months ago. >> let's get to the bottom line. democrats have said this is not a crisis enough for president trump to shut down the federal government. there is a way for boys and girls who have been serving for a long time know how to work together to get something done. it was not a crisis enough to shut down the federal government to get things done. true. the second thing is, you guys have no interest in having a relationship with the truth when it comes to these issues. look, this was a manufacturer response by the vice president to check a box. when aoc raised her right hand, that's serious business. she has no reason to lie. we know from reports and groups on facebook, those conditions

are horrible. people are being treated like second-class citizens. the burdenens fall on the leadership at the top because the president has no interest in getting anything done. republicans have used this issue as a red meat issue to generate a response and some type of excitement out of your base going into your election where you are on life support. >> i want to put this to you aidry ann and get your response. a washington post reporter said the vice president saw over 400 men crammed behind caged fences with no room to lie down. and men shouting into the cameras. we have that clip. i'll play it for you. >> no phone calls. nothing. we are not a terrorist. we are not a criminal. >> earlier, we played that clip where the vice president

repeatedly said, this is a real crisis and he was criticizing democrats. what i want to understand, was that the main point of his trip or was this about combatting the states about what they are witne witnessing? >> i think he wanted to go see for his self. i think it should be a requirement, all members of congress on both sides should be required to go down and see for themselves what is going on. speak to the men and women and patriots at i.c.e. and dhs and find out their needs and what can congress do to support them. i want to respond to something antoine said. we wouldn't have overcrowded faciliti facilities if congress would

have given president trump money for a wall. >> you and i know giving trump a reward will not fix the crisis. over 60% of the american people want comprehensive border reform. you have democrats and republicans willing to come to the table to work together to fix a long-term problem in this country called immigration. the president wanted to play political football and punt the issue. he ended his 2016 campaign with the red meat, right wing rhetoric and he's kicking off the 2020 campaign in the same way. it is an issue that consolidates his base. when he's on political life support like he is, he needs something to generate his base. >> as always, you'll have to agree to disagree. would you like to have a quick rebuttal to that.

>> don't lie, adrianna. go ahead. >> president trump's rating are the highest. >> political life support. >> no, he's not. >> thank you for the back and forth. we appreciate it. we'll talk about president trump's apparent change of heart about that former british ambassador. what does it all mean? coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're oscar mayer deli fresh your very first sandwich,m... your mammoth masterpiece. and...whatever this was.

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tropical storm barry is churning towards landfall, and the big worry is all of the heavy flooding and rain that could potentially hit the region. some parts of louisiana started experiencing that flooding as early as yell. we're going to have live reports from the ground and updates on the path in the next hour. meanwhile, president trump appearing to have had a change of heart towards a british ambassador he slammed on twitter. sir kim darroch quit his post on wednesday, after taking heat about president trump in secret diplomatic memos. he described the president as inept. insecure, incompetent and said the white house was

dysfunctional. president trump trashed the ambassador on twitter calling him wacky and very stupid, adding he had been told the ambassador is a pompous fool. here's how he reacted yesterday to darroch's resignation. >> i wish the british ambassador well. some people just told me, they said he actually said very good things about me. >> joining me now is christopher dickey, world news editor with the daily beast, and msnbc contributor, were there other people darroch was referring to in those secret memos? >> no, look, i think if you read what's written about these secret memos, particularly the original stories in the daily mail, you see very quickly that darroch had a very good understanding of donald trump, and he talked about all the many ways you could manipulate him, including a lot of flattery. one of the things that darroch did was cultivate people and

this is in the memos, he cultivated people around trump, who were not on trump's staff. the people trump when he's munching on his cheese burger calls up in the middle of the night, and i imagine that is what trump is talking about. he may also realize that his initial reaction made him look every bit the incompetent fool that darroch had portrayed in the memos. >> we saw darroch get the full support of his government. this is what theresa may, the prime minister had to say. >> i have spoken to sir kim darroch. i have told him that it is a matter of great regret that he has felt it necessary to leave his position as ambassador. good government depends on public servants being able to give full and frank advice. i want all our public servants to have the confidence to be able to do that. >> christopher, what do you

think? well, that's also a jab at boris johnson who's trying to take theresa may's job and probably will succeed. when he was asked several times at a debate whether he would support sir kim, he dodged the question four times, and he was questioned even more aggressively about it yesterday, and again tried to dodge the question, talking either about the special relationship or his general report for civil certificaservant but never giving kim darroch support because he wants to be on the side of donald trump, and he's sucking up to him shamelessly. that's what theresa may was talking about, sucking up to donald trump and not defending the interests of the united kingdom. >> how does president trump's actions impact the relationship between the ambassadors, this very critical partnership. >> look, when it comes to the so-called special relationship between the united states and

the united kingdom, that is based largely on delusions and one of the great delusions of the brexit led by boris johnson is they can lead the european union and cut wonderful deals with the united states because of the special relationship but donald trump is a dollars and cents kind of guy, and he knows while the british economy may be as they constantly say the fifth largest in the world, it's 1/7 the size of the united states. he will screw them completely. >> christopher dickey joining us from paris. folks in the southeast as barry bears down on the bayou. barry bears down on the bayou. i. not this john smith. or this john smith. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths that are humana medicare advantage members. no, it's this john smith. who we paired with a humana team member to help address his own specific health needs.

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