all right. that will do it for me on this hour of "msnbc live." now, it's time for "up with david gura." ♪ >> this is "up." i'm david gura. a new report this morning there have been immigration raids in two new york city neighbors, that have been unsuccessful, according to the city's mayor. >> this is not about safety. this is using government agents for political purposes. >> atlanta is one of the cities that i.c.e. is targeting. the mayor is going to join us and the governor of washington state, jay inslee, who is speaking out about the trump administration's immigration

policies. >> i'm shocked that the vice president would say that any american -- we think it's humane to stuff human beings into a cage and tell them they don't need soap. >> 70,000 new yorkers without power, leaving elevators stuck. and rainfall from tropical storm barry, flooding streets and homes. >> this is the main road. and the trees are the levee. >> it's sunday, july 14th. we're awaiting the latest poll from "the wall street journal." and i can assure you these numbers are not fake news. trump told aides not to. you're winning in east jersey, old jersey, californication and blorf. >> joe perry and

katie fang. a major i.c.e. operation expected to get under way in the united states. these raids were anticipated to continue for several days. likely to include what are called collateral deportations, of family members and neighbors who are not targets but happen to be present when i.c.e. agents arrived. groups like the aclu is trying to ramp up efforts to remind families of their right. that they can challenge the deportation order in court. but to have a plan in place for their children in case they are separated. most mayors of the cities have pledged to help migrants targeted by i.c.e. and they vow not to carry out this part of president trump's immigration policy.

>> this has nothing to do with crime. if anything, this hampers our ability to address crime in our communities because you are driving communities underground. we don't need it and we don't want it in atlanta. >> we don't typically coordinate with any sort of immigration enforcement. that's not something that our friday doe police department does. >> we do not cooperate with i.c.e. we tell people their rights and protect them. >> what we are working is doing everything we can to push back against what the trump administration is doing. >> give me a sense of what we are expecting. "the wall street journal" says there were raids on two communities overnight. msnbc news has confirmed that. the mayor is seeing those reports, as well. what can we expect the next few days? >> we're expecting raids but that's what the president said. we're sending a crew to those neighborhoods because they're

not sure there were raids. i.c.e. operates on a fine line of what's legal and what the courts haven't decided. 100,000 people are arrested. 250,000 people are deported. this is nothing but politics. this is donald trump putting a community in fear. this is not about preventing crime. you announce the raids well ahead of time, people do not stick around. they hunker down -- the other thing we need to talk about when we talk about i.c.e., this is a government agency that will knock on your door, will lure you outside, if you're undocumented. not with a judge warrant. but with an administrative warrant. once you're detained, you're put on an almost secret airline. you are deported out of this country. the way this agency operates, is intentional in the way that it strikes fear into the community. that's what we're going to see around new york city, atlanta and los angeles today. >> walk us through about what we learned about how groups like the aclu are trying to stop this

from happening and protect families being targeted by this. in a court, how much credence does that have? >> there's a judicial process. but we all know the wheels of justice can move very, very slowly. maybe as slowly as cal's car, stuck in the midtown tunnel. the aclu and organizations have attempted to let you know what your rights are. but the problem is this. the problem is you actually have to be taken into custody to challenge the legality and the constitutionality of what's occurred to you. i will, although, offer up a small caveat to what's happening. if you believe what's being represented by this administration, these are some pickup orders for people who have been convicted of committing crimes, et cetera. if that is something that is a part of this roundup, from a legal, law enforcement, justice perspective, there's nothing wrong with that. you have somebody that's been convicted of a crime or has committed a crime that's meriting deportation, that's

what our laws stand for. if you're doing it for fear, if you're doing it, dove tatailing the optic and people are caged in, you're going to see people that are going to get out of town and leave. >> that's what the trump administration is going top stand by. the problem is going to be, and you're going to hear this all day, collateral damage, people picked up in the sweeps that shouldn't be picked up. takes them forever. >> if not years. >> you cover the white house. help us understand what the policy perspective is. the initial tease or threat from the president, was 2 million immigrants will be rounded up and deported. he doesn't use the term raids. that's what they are. he promised them, pulled back, promised them again. what is the strategy here? >> i don't think it's a one-shot thing. it's not just people who have committed crimes. the definition of committing a

crime, you failed to appear, you didn't show up, therefore, we're going to get you. that's the other fine line that has to be sudissussed here. it's an election year. he says he's going to deport all illegal immigrants in america. this is a conversational top nick the 2020 election. there are candidates who say we should abolish i.c.e. but there's undocumented immigrant activists who say, we want more than that. we want a commitment that you will legalize the undocumented immigra immigrants, of roughly there's 11 million or more in this country, on day number one. we've seen the activists with joe biden, as well. >> help me understand the tension between the federal government and the localities, from a political perspective.

this is grist for the president, i imagine, that you have the federal government imposing he's orders. and you have local government from the sanctuary cities, pushing back on it. help us understand that crucible. >> that's the right framing. i scan back here and think about this, fear is not the defect here. it's the feature. it's fear like cal and katie were talking about for these communities. but it's stoking fear in the president's base. and it's creating an energy and whiplash effect that is designed to get those folks riled up and radicalized, for what he is imagining to be an intense base-style election, over the next 18 months, like francesca alluded to. fear, as the actual weapon, as the tool here, is the transformative use of the powers of the presidency, i don't think we've seen a president use like this before. just in terms of your question, you know, i think these 2020

candidates and i think democrats, the challenge here is how to have this conversation. it's hard for democrats to enforce our laws and to not put children in cages. to not have soap or deodorant. how do you talk about those things in the country that's easily influenced by this president that can play pied piper. >> trump using fear as a tool, has a tool at his disposal. border patrol and i.c.e. it's not just the rhetoric of fear. he's deploying people. he's using parts of his administration that have enforcement arms. armed and going over and doing these things. that's a key difference between this administration and other administrations. >> two, quick points, going back

to the legality of it all. the administration says, if you entered this country and you were undocumented, you entered the country illegally. you have already committed a crime. and the baseline is that you ch committed a crime. you're here illegally, you have to go. that's striking fear in the hearts of people, as well. you were mentioning the 2020 capped dates and i was talking about the conference yesterday. this is something that elizabeth warren ran into. they were asking her to commit, to legalize, to reunify families. she would not do that. she believed that there should be comprehensive immigration reform, and create a pathway to citizenship, but wouldn't commit to every person that was undocumented in this country. and that's a major question for candidates moving forward. >> how about the visuals this administration is using. i want to ask you about vice president's trip to the border. what we saw there when they were able to see the 400 men who were

not able to sleep standing up, hollering at the vice president, reporters to pay attention to the plight they were under that facility. talk about that context and this one, the visuals we see over the next few days. >> that's part of the story here. the entire strategy is to send a message to the rest of the world, that america is closed. we're no longer accepting people looking for refuge. you see it in the cages. hundreds of people that are unable to sleep because they're standing up and out of room. you see that with the children. they don't have what they need in the facilities. and as you alluded to it, no reason for it. today, you see video of people knocking on doors, trying to lure families outside. advocates will tell you, i.c.e. will tell you something like, your car got broken into. and the person comes outside and they're detained in front of their kids. you're going to see that video. you're going to see video of people asking for i.d.s in

public parks. all of this is designed to illicit a reaction from democrats. and don't pretend that the president is very, very good at playing with the images. >> quickly, to reinforce the fear with those communities, it's the line with the census issue, right? let them know, you're excluded from this society. you have this mixed status, you don't count and you should not participate. that's the cogoal. >> more on this story. we'll sit down with keshia lance bottoms. up next, rainfall from barry is causing flooding in the gulf coast. we're going to have an update from louisiana and new york city. whole parts of manhattan, losing power last night. nd the corner? or could it turn out differently? my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot...

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this is "up." i'm david gura. this morning, a weakened tropical storm barry continues to threaten folks along the gulf coast of the united states. it carries life-threatening, flooding rains through louisiana and arkansas. it has been downgraded and sustained winds of 45 miles per hour. it is expected to dump 6 to 18 inches of rain on the area. give us the latest. we talked to you yesterday. the rain was coming down. there was a lot of fear of how

much rain this community would get. what happened over the last 24 hours? >> the worst did not happen here, plaqueman parish. one hurricane went back down to a tropical storm. for communities like the one where i'm standing, which is under mandatory evacuation, the fear is what you're seeing behind me. because of the flash flooding, because of the storm surge, they were going to get cut off. if you glance over to my right over here, and hopefully my cameraman can pan, the fear was that highway you're seeing there, highway 23, was going to get flooded. that's the only way in and out of this community. 24,000 people. thankfully the water did not get all the way there. and with sunrise, more good news here. people are attempting to go back to their homes. the water receding. all of this looked like a lake

pretty much yesterday evening when i left. there's a body of water about a mile over here to my left. the mississippi river to my right. when you sit between two bodies of water, you don't want the water to come up. and it takes days for people to go to their homes. that is happening quickly. a lot of cleanup to do. the sheriff telling me, it's a mess. it will be a couple of days before life gets back to normal. >> thank you very much. here in new york city this morning, the power has been restored, after a historic outage darkened times square and surrounding neighborhoods, affecting 73,000 customers of a 30-block stretch of manhattan. traffic lights were out, causing confusion, as one man stepped in to direct traffic. the city subway lines were also dark. and jennifer lopez's concert at madison square garden was canceled. what happened here?

i said essentially a 30-block perimeter. what caused it? >> this is part of a wider investigation right now, david. there were issues that were pin pointed to the transmission line. that's being looked into. the governer has prompted further investigation into what happened. we can rule out an infrastructure problem. the city is coming alive. things are looking like normal. iconic buildings like 30 rock behind me, radio city, were in the dark, when the outage happened around 6:45. but all of the power was restored to customers just before midnight. it was a dramatic turn when this outage happened. people were stuck in elevators, including allen mcveigh, who is visiting us from tampa, florida. you have quite the story to

tell. you were stuck in an elevator, close by here, for four hours. tell us what happened. we were going out to a nice dinner. i went to see coffee. and the way up, the elevator stopped. and then, all of a sudden, we're like, what's happening? and then, power outage. after about three hours, there was seven of us in there. it was hot. we pried the door open and it was brick. they tried to find us. luckily, the fire department, they broke through a brick wall to get us out. i was worried i would be in there all night. it was our last night in new york. it was crazy. i'm glad we got out. >> glad you are safe. hopefully you get to enjoy the last couple hours here in new york city. thanks for talking to us. once again, david, things are coming back to life. things are back to normal here inmanhattan. >> a lot of gasps around the

table. thank you for the update. up next, a new look at how the 2020 candidates are stacking up as they prepare for the second crucial debate. jay inslee, the governor of washington state, who i shared a cinnamon roll in iowa, is going to join us next. owa, is going to join us next. government by and for all the people - not just the powerful and well-connected. that's the american promise. but big corporations and special interests are in control. nothing's happening for real people. our democracy has been purchased. the candidates running for president have great ideas. but we can't get anything done unless we make our democracy serve the people again. i'm tom steyer. i approve this message. i'm running for president because it's time our democracy works for people.

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this is "up." i'm david gura. a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, gives us fresh insight for the race for president. joe biden leads the field, with elizabeth warren and camera harris. as long as it's a tool at the senate majority leader's disposal, the candidates' rivals plans don't stand a chance in hell. let's talk about this policy plan of yours. why do you feel the need to abolish the filibuster in the senate? >> we need big, bold action from the senate in our nation. that means action from the senate. mitch mcconnell has described himself as the grim reaper,

using that blade to cut off any progress in the u.s. senate. that blade is the u.s. mi filibuster. it gives power in the senate, to lock in control of our country by the fossil fuel industry. to prevent action against the climate crisis. we're seeing in real-time in the floods and fires in california. this nation needs action. the filibuster prevents it. frankly, i'm surprised that my senatorial opponents want to cling to the ancient senatorial rule, rather than save the planet and climate change. >> let me ask you one more question, if i could. you have been pushing for a climate change debate here in 2020. give us an update on the progress there. what's the sense of the likelihood that we see a forum like that? >> a strong possibility.

there's been over 200,000 people, signing a petition, urging the party to move forward. there's nine states that are aligned. they will bring a resolution in late august, to the national party, in hopes that the party can be enlightened and have a debate. we need to know what people's real plans are. i believe we need a plan that will, in fact, be based on science. i have proposed a plan to do that. others said, no, we can't do that. they want to seek some middle ground. the fact of the matter is, there's no middle ground. we can't negotiate with science. we have to have a timeline of progress to build a clean energy economy. we need a debate so the country and the party can know where people stand on this. we don't want people blacklisted. they will blacklist those candidates. so, look. this is a threat to literally civilization as we have come to know it.

and we need to get right down to it and see who has the chops to get this done. i have a plan that will look really good. another one says this has to be the top priority of the united states. joel, i ie know you have a quesn for the governor. >> we can have a long talk about the filibuster rule. a question to you about your position in the field. you bet a lot around climbed change. and there's a new entrant to the field, twho has spent capital i promoting that issue. just your thoughts to have a climate-heavy, so to speak, in the race, and how that will impact you? >> i welcome any voice to this, to talk about our ability to save humanity. i welcome anybody to the race.

i think it's important to realize this is not the only thing i bring to the table. i have a six-year run as governor who produced the number one economy in the united states. i talked at a meeting yesterday in that roots, about the progressive things i have done. i have the largest teacher pay in the united states. the first public health option in the united states. we have a great gender pay equity. and i signed the first net neutrality bill in the united states. these are progressive pressures that i bring to the table, that i feel are a template for beating donald trump. his trickle-down theory -- we can blow up with an example of washington state, which i've been able to achieve with my colleagues in washington. that's a great way to deflate his balloon and make sure he's a blip in history. >> francesca chambers has a

question for you, as well, governor. >> i wanted to follow-up on something you said. you said you wanted to make megan rapinoe a secretary of state. you gave it in a deadpan way. many people are wondering if you were serious about that. >> well, not entirely. two things, i know she would do better than the trump administration. number two, the reason i mention mentioned meghan, she is playing for our team in seattle. we're proud of her. if you listened to her speech during the ticker tape parade, you see it as an tit sis. i thought her speech encapsulated what our approach must be to work with people,

rather than tear up alliances. to have a message of hope, rather than anger and fear. we can be more effective on foreign policies. that's true in the climate crisis. we need to lead the world and engage with the world to have a hope of saving our children and grandchildren. i think her message is perfect. i haven't asked her about this. we'll leave that as a tongue in cheek thing at the moment. >> let me ask you, lastly, here, how you plan to break out in the coming months. i'm curious as you read eric swalwell, he was going to call it quits and focus on running for his house seat. what's the way forward? your calculus looking ahead to 2020. >> we're an underdog in this

race. i've been an underdog in times to beat republicans. i'm where bill clinton and jimmy carter were at this point, in the very low single digits. what we're finding is, the message of a big, bold, ambitious plan to defeat climate change is resonating. we have an uptick of support. a wide variety. that's resonating. that happened in roots yesterday. now, i'm sort of what you call, in second gear, of letting people know about the progressive policies that we have embraced to such great success in washington. i do believe the washington way is a template, not only for the united states, for economic growth, but a perfect way to defeat donald trump. we demonstrated that when you do raise your minimum wage to the highest level in the country, when you do have the most robust financial plan for college students, called a game changer by "the new york times."

when you do these things, you result in the best economy of the united states. that's a perfect way to beat donald trump. the washington way is a good template for success. that's starting to kick in right now. >> jay inslee, he joined us from the other washington place. joining us on this sunday morning. thank you very much. appreciate the time. coming up, how a special election in north carolina highlights the gop's problem with women. women candidates. we head to 2020. (vo) parents have a way of imagining the worst... ...especially when your easily distracted teenager has the car. at subaru, we're taking on distracted driving [ping] with sensors that alert you when your eyes are off the road. the all-new subaru forester. the safest forester ever.

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this is "up." i'm david gura. the grand old party is trying to attract more women candidates to broaden its base. a record number of women ran and won seats in the house of representatives. only two of the women were republicans. 89 democrats, 13 republicans. the gop hopes 2020 will be different. they're taking a page out of the democrats' playbook. republicans have seen 187 women file to run. but does the whole party have an appetite to diversify its ranks. jennifer williams joins us now, an nbc political analyst. greet to speak to you on the heels of this election in north carolina. that catelized this.

joan perry, against greg murphy in that race. she enjoyed support from wam in washington, d.c. what's your prescription for republicans as they look to broaden that base? >> they have to make a decision if this is a value to them. alias stefanek, the youngest member of congress, has been trying to galvanize some enthusiasm and support on the republican party to recruit women candidates. when she first came out with the suggestion, after the debacle in 2018, she was slapped down by the party. i don't know if they have interest in doing this. the right has two problems in recruiting women. one is, they have no infrastructure the way there is on the left. the left has a variety of organizations designed to recru recruit, to train, to promote women. if it's emily's list, emerge, a fleet of organizations. on the right, there is nothing

like that. when women candidates who may be new to politics, decide they want to run, there is no one there to help guide them to promote them and fund them, if they don't have resources of their own. the second problem is that the republican party agenda is becoming hostile to women. and with the symbol of donald trump, who is -- it's becoming a gender problem in general for them. for years and years, they had the support of white women. for the first time, you see in 2018, you saw that flip. and now, donald trump, for example, has quite a gap in support for white women. there is no group of women out there currently, as an electoral matter, who are enthusiastic about the republican party. that's not because of abortion rights, but because of a slew of issues. i think immigration has as much

to do with the alienation of women as does abortion and some of the other issues. the sight of children separations, is the sight of the children being treated inhumanely, has been a huge turnoff for women. unless the republican party changes their outlook. they are probably not going to get women candidates. >> katie phang, let me turn to you. it's the depth of the bench. the recruitment apparatus. curious what you would say to what she was talking about there, the resonance of the ideals of the republican party. >> it becomes difficult to shed the mantle of the gop and what it represents. if you want to be a standout candidate, i am a woman, if you're in the gop, a woman of color who is a candidate who wants to go to washington, you have to make sure that you're not -- you have the guilt by association that happens because of the trump administration. what's problematic is, people like to group people together.

the gender of, just, women together is the idea that we're all going to be painted with one swath of color. i think it's important that if you don't have somebody that would take you by the hand, and take somebody to run for office, if i run as a republican. i'm not announcing. if you want to do that, somebody needs to show you the way. you have an attack on women these days. and it's easy to say the gop does not support what you stand for as a woman. >> we saw it with the progressive candidates in the 2018 election. we're seeing that with some progressive candidates today. that's a message to problemrepu, as well, in light of the special election in north carolina.

how much faith do you have in the party you had faith in for a long time. >> on this issue, got a chance to listen to the podcast for the daily "new york times" this week. i thought it was fascinating. there was a quote at the end of the story, where it was a representative from women from trump, who said we're going to support the best candidate, regardless of gender. that was designed to sound like it's a, hey, we're not goidoing we're not doing identity politics. it's just about the value that does not appear to be placed in diversity of candidates, be it women or people of color, historically underrepresented minority groups. that's not a value in donald trump's party. the mike pences a s and nikki

of the world. >> women for trump are going to have their kickoff at king of prussia. who is that with when you look at the electorate? >> evangelical white women. they like what the trump administration is doing on the life issue. that's not enough to win an election. you have to put together an electora electorate. and those women alone, if that's all the republican party is down to, are in big trouble. >> jennifer ruben, from washington, d.c. we come back and one day until candidates have to disclose how much money they raised in the second quarter. many of the 2020 candidates are touting t ing thing the million raised. ing the millions they hae raised play it cool and escape heartburn fast with new tums chewy bites cooling sensation.

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this is "up." i'm david gura. we're 16 days away from the second democratic debate in detroit. the candidates are trying to stay relevant. and one metric for how they've been doing that, is fund-raising. all candidates must report their second quarter fund-raising totals to the f.e.c. by tomorrow. pete buttigieg, $24.8 million. joe biden was close behind, with

$21.5 million. kamla harris is in new hampshire. and vaughn hill is in new hampshire. she raised about $12 million. what is the campaign saying about fund-raising, about the worth of this, as they're success, their momentum going into the second debate? >> good morning. that 12 million is what she pulled in. they pulled in $12 million the first quarter of this year. they say that is plenty of money to operate this campaign. they have 65 folks on the ground in iowa. they wanted to note, an aide said, the last debate came three days before they reported those numbers. they believe going into the summer, they have a lot of attention, more attention their way. and she's able to take advantage

of the air waves, whether it be on television or a radio program this week, in which she was asked about the breakfast club radio program out of new york city. the question was posed to her. there's other candidates coming out with a lot of different plans, specifically bernie sanders, elizabeth warren. and camera harris responded in that interview saying, hey, look, i'm not going to turn out a factory of plans. when i do release a plan, have tangible ways of how to get it done. not just pie in the sky ideas. kamla harris has the resources. she has another debate coming up in two weeks, a platform in which she'll be able to lay out who she is and what her policies are. joe biden, with the house party and over at an apple orchard yesterday afternoon. he said, i've been around for a while. others in this race, they

weren't even born when i was in senate. that's what you hear on the campaign trail. >> stay with us for a moment. i'm going to ask you a verse of what i asked vaughn. >> how worried are the candidates about the numbers? jay inslee is talking a good game about staying in for the long haul. how is it applying pressure on them? >> it's applying a lot of pressure. it's not just about staying in it. staying in it long enough to make the next two debates. if you look at the candidates that haven't released their numbers. maybe that doesn't mean anything. if they're not the first few to do so, they means their numbers aren't going to be particularly high. cory booker, saying that the second-largest day of fund-raising after the debate.

>> i get it, to get to the debate stage, you have to have a threshold amount. it's a huge field. and there's a lot of people to give your money to. maybe it's a little premature saying, i'm going to take my millions to the bank. >> if you're pete buttigieg, you need that money. you need $24.5 million to build out that network, build out the inf infrastructure. if you're joe biden, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, you're a known entity to a lot of people. that money cancels out, for the most part. all of the major candidates will be well-funded. we'll see, as the field thins out, i don't think money is going to be the focus that it has been in past cycles. people talk about donald trump raising $105 million. he's the president. he and the republican party are supposed to raise a lot of

money. everyone is going to be well-resourced. i don't think in a race like this, where you have a base strategy, he's not going to reach out to anybody. i think money matters less than it has in the past. >> how about the ways in a the candidates were raising money. elizabeth warren was talking about who she takes money from and who she does not take money from. they are casting some shade on biden and pete buttigieg. how is that about getting it done? >> it's not a conversation that comes up. folks take into account -- two weeks ago, kamla harris was in california. she went to san francisco pride parade. her other events were fund-raisers that she had. go and sign up for each of the candidates' contribution list. >> just for fun. >> it's fun -- >> all of those e-mails in the

inbox. >> you can compare the e-mails they send. pete buttigieg, you become a member of their campaign, where you contribute over the course of the campaign. and they keep you engaged. they make you feel like you're part of that campaign. yes. for the rest of your sunday fun, go to all of the 25 cappndidate. >> i'll sign you up for these. >> he's already on. how much is this really about the third debate. >> as you were talking about the money and how much it matters early on, you heard one of the sharpest rebukes i heard from bernie sanders' campaign. but they went after joe biden by name for closed door fund-raising, which has become something that's big in this campaign.

and bernie sanders' campaign, pushing the fact that he has more donors than anyone else. they can come back and tap the funds and the people again and again in this campaign. the longevity there, they believe, is more than someone who maxes out and has to continue to look for donors. >> there's probably no candidate who regrets more than joe biden. >> how do you make that statement that some people were not born. how is that alluring and attractive? >> or the comments of working with segregationists. >> that's a strategy by the press shop to not have to do a lot of public events. they are doing reports to hold a

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♪ this is "up." i'm david gura. and protesters hit the streets in cities across the country this week, from san diego to philadelphia. ahead of immigration raids expected to take place today, that will reportedly continue throughout the week. according to officials, nearly 2,000 undocumented families are the targets in nine u.s. cities. other

deported immigrants, of course. overnight in new york city, there were attempted raids in two neighborhoods that failed. that's according to "the wall street journal". i.c.e. agents are apprehensive about arresting babies and the young children. they know the raids could be lamted because word has spread. some 400 men were crammed into cages. no mats or pillows, with some sleeping on concrete. >> i couldn't have been more impressed with the work of this border security. >> "the washington post" reports a plan for a facility. it plans to expand shelters for children are in the works.

one phoenix facility, housing 12 children, ages 5 and under, some as young as 3 months old, all without their mothers. atlanta one of the cities being targeted. and keisha lance bottoms joins us this morning. and bill cohen. curt bardello. and joyce vance is with us, as well. a former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor. the mayor of new york city tweeted out there were reports of raids taking place in new york. have you heard of anything in atlanta? what are you expecting? i was talking to our deputy police chief, and we didn't

receive a formal update. we were told this would be happening, via twitter update. what would the notification have been? we would be notified in case there is something happening in a particular area of the city, that we need to respond to. that our officers would not be in harm's way. not that we would work with i.c.e., but we would be prepared if our officers think it's unlawful. there's been no coordination. now, our public safety personnel can be put in harm's way because we aren't working together for information purposes. >> i remember you signing an executive order.

saying that the city jail in atlanta were not going to house those detained by i.c.e. you have the federal government, putting into policy like this one. and you have municipalities, cities pushing back on him. how are you going to get the city pushing back on the federal government's directive? my safety is for the safety of our communities. when we have the super bowl and other events, where there's lots of people and the public will be impacted, we have coordination. that's what happens when you have people in charge. my challenge is not with the men and women on the ground, as much as it is with the president of the united states. he has no problems to use our

families and our children as political pawns. it's frustrating. you should be concerned. i shared a story on this network that my 8-year-old son looked to me and asked me, was he born in america? and he was concerned that he was not born here. he's anxious that our family will be separated. this is wreaking havoc, not just on us that do this, but this is impacting everyone's children in our communities. and the president of the united states, should be ashamed of himself. >> bill cohen, i want you to respond to that anecdote. a lot of this is fear.

what does that say to you about the effectiveness of the rhetoric we heard from the president? >> the mayor just articulated that in a beautiful way. to me, it is disgusting, shocking. is this the look we want for america? i don't believe it is. i don't believe mathis is what america is about. george orwell wrote "1984," 35 years later, here we are. and it's "1984." big brother doing these things you can't imagine. what about the statue of liberty? what about welcoming people to our shores? >> we have seen the cities put out legal guidance, reminding folks of their rights, if there's a knock on their door. help us understand how these things complement each other.

>> you know, early in this administration, there was a moment where there was a lot of fever over the immigration and over the muslim ban. suddenly, the lawyers were the heroes. instead of bad lawyer jokes. yesterday, for instance, there was a massive effort to push out information on english and in spanish. you don't have to answer your door if someone knocks without a search warrant. you're not required to answer questions. there's concern in that area. there's civil rights groups working in a unified fashion to ensure that people who have rights, whether they're here legally or not. >> you're one of the mayors that put out what joyce is describing. your rights were tweeted yesterday. tell us what you are doing.

>> we have an office called welcoming atlanta, that focuses on our immigrant community. we really work hard at doing is making sure we aren't just there in a time of crisis. there's an ongoing relationship with our community. we're making sure that we are able to direct our families and our community members through legal representation. and just continuing to remind people that we stand with them in our communities. that our immigrant communities don't stand alone. we call ourselves one atlanta. and even today, the irony of this, we are having a census block party, as we are spreading education about the 2020 census. and this blaock party is toward our community. we wouldn't put members of our

community in harm's way if we went forward. but we had to remind ourselves that this is what this president wants. he wants to drive members of our community underground. he wants us to be afraid. we will be together, today, as one atlanta, embracing our immigrant community and reminding them to be a part of the 2020 census. >> important to see these two issues. curt, you worked on the house oversight committee. we talked about the president's role here and mayors' roles, as well. what do you see from congress? there was a moving exchange, i think, between congressman connolly of virginia and the children he saw in cages at the migrant facilities. the outrage, for those who feel we weren't in congress. do you see roles here in light of the policies we put in place. >> we've seen congress take a

more aggressive role. we saw a delegation go to the facilities. we saw them smuggle in cell phone, to capture footage. it was congressman castro who got his phone in there and used it to show all of us what was happening every day. and think about it. when congressmen or vice presidents come, the people running these facilities know that ahead of time. they want to show that they are treating people humanely. they want to do all of the things that the fake news media doesn't cover. we see every time when someone goes there, the terrible inhumane, tortuous conditions. and now, congress is taking an assertive front. having the oversight committee, mr. connelly spoke about it. and using the platform to keep our focus on this issue. it's so easy to lose sight of what's going on.

people in washington and new york, like to focus on the baseball politics of the house democratic caucus. congress needs to use their microphone and their platform. this is really important. every day in this country, in 2019, we have children being turned away from their parents. children who are dieing in the united states custody. literally subjecting human beings to tortuous conditions. this is one of the most outrageous black stains. >> she keeps touching on this theme of fatigue, in wake of what the president has put in place. there's a border policy, foreign policy, it compounds and he seems aware of that. we're talking about this because the raids are teased by the president. >> he's not fatigued, right? he doesn't seem to lose energy for this kind of insanity.

it's mind-boggling. i wouldn't believe a quarter of the stuff since he came down that damn escalator. it blows my mind, every day. that's part of the strategy. he can't lose energy and i'm not going to lose energy. >> mayor, what do you say to a young person, about faith in the system, in light of all of this? you've run for office. you're doing public service. in light of all of this, there must be people who doubt the efficacy of that in 2019. >> i think it's spot-on. we have to remind our children and communities that there's still hope. one person does not change the course of our country and will not change the course of our country.

we will be okay. it was great for me to be able to give him a hug and offer reassurances. and it breaks my heart to know they can't reassure their children in the same way. i ask that people remember these are human beings. these are about parents and children. explain to my children and i see the anxiety they have, from my having the news on in the room with them, i remind them that we will be okay. and that he will not be president for very long. >> thank you very much for the time on this sunday morning. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. coming up, at this stage of the game, who do voters think has the best chance of defeating president trump? the first poll of the 2020 season is out. we'll go through that after the break. after the break.

this is "up." i'm david gura. this is your first look at a brand-new poll from nbc news and "the wall street journal." it shows president trump trailing the democratic contenders in several match-ups. joe biden leading the president, 51% to 42%. elizabeth warren, a five-point advantage. and kamla harris, ahead by one point. a dead heat with the margin of

error. obama held a one-point edge over mitt romney. 46% to 45%. curt, let me start with you. these are early days yet. have to have the caveat there. >> very early. >> how do you regard a poll like this? >> i disregard it. we live, unfortunately, in an electoral college system. it's not a national popular vote. it doesn't matter what the polls say. if we use these polls, we're wrong about that. you look at the last election, and the one before that. every time, whoever is leading in the polls, that never ends up being who is nominee is anyway. it's something fun to talk about. >> you have cold water in your

cup, as well. >> candidates would just go to big cities. >> where the people actually live. imagine that. >> there's different issues all over the country. i like the system. i can see it didn't work out well in 2000 or 2016. but look, i think last night, you know, to show you what i was doing, johnny deutch, his panel, was talking about how trump has a clear electoral college vein at this point. i don't know if i agree with that. i would say it again, whoever that is going to win, and you can't take it for granted. >> what does the match-ups tell you about name recognition? it was joe biden and bernie sanders having the name recognition.

what does that say to you about prospects as the candidate wages on. >> the name reflects much more than the chances in the ballot box. it's interesting to see some of the democrats who had less name recognition 45 days ago, moving up in the polls. for harris and warren, those are significant jumps. but democrats can't take any votes for granted when we get to 2020. they have to fight for the last vote. and this is an opportunity for the democrats to get familiar, not just with a president, but with the cabinet, with the entire tier of democratic leadership.

so, there isn't much room for movement, or there hasn't been room for movement here. what's going to make the difference. >> you look at the difference of the cross tabs in this poll. this highlights a challenge for democrats. almost three out of ten hispanic voters still support the president. that's double what it is for african-americans. and that tells you that for all of the focus of the black vote, we see it in the presidential context. with everything at the border and everything we're talking about with illegal immigration and everything the president has been doing, how is it possible that three in ten hispanics support this president? this is an area they need to focus on. >> on the racial day nynamics, look at the match-up. sanders, warren and harris,

trump runs even. there's a mythical or phantom white working class voter that the democrats have to go after. he enjoys an advantage of that constituency. >> 45% is a big chunk. it doesn't seem to change. for me, it's about the independent voter, as usual. that's not rocket science. but ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin. those 70,000. that's our system. the democratic nominee has to get that together. >> our correspondent here, i love it. i sat down with kirsten gillibrand in pittsburgh and her campaign was pointing out trump's lies.

she says there's a constituency of americans who were told one thing and they've gotten another. help us understand trump's residents in the deep south. >> we know what it is, right? a big part of make america great again is make america great for a shrinking minority of white voters. the best thing is to show we have common interests and we win together. as minorities take positions on the southern border, we can work together and don't have to relicense plate on the circle the wagons mentality. >> kurt, do you see that happening? how do the candidates look at a poll like this one? >> if you're biden, it reinforces your rationale that, i'm the only guy that can beat donald trump in pennsylvania and ohio.

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need help. but also, trying to contain the damage. you talk about levees over topping and breaching, that happened here in plaqueman's parish in southeastern louisiana. that's why you have the national gou guard moving the sandbags. they hope, if the tide permits, to airlift the huge sandbags over to point celeste and to merrill grove. they're going to forklift these bags out of here. we've seen two helicopters also surveying the area and surveying the damage. precisely because of what you said. because the rain is continuing, they want to contain that situation and to patch up the levees. we can confirm for the sheriff's office, that the governor of louisiana will be coming here between 11:00 and 11:45 a.m.

eastern time. we want to ask questions. asking the damage and how folks are faring. at least over 150,000 people throughout the city are left without power. >> you're in plaqueman's parish and in new orleans. there's a lot about that city. what do we know just broad ly speaking how the city weathered the storm? >> well, i have been staying there in our hotel. there wasn't damage when we left early today or headed back last night. there was an investment of millions of dollars, david, after hurricane katrina in 2005, to fortify the city's levees. hearing from folks here outside of the south, is many here were

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i'm david gura. and there's 477 days until the 2020 election. and there's 25 candidates vying to be a part of the nominee. at the back of the pack, there were the candidates to do everything they can to make a name for themselves, to have a breakout moment to get on voters' radar. she just got back from a trip from iowa, and her goal was to see one of the 1%ers to win people over to their side. at one point, she saw a guy holding a beer start chatting with congressman beto o'rourke. >> it example exemplifies where in the election. anyone can wander up to a presidential cappndidate. people are really close to each other.

>> zoe chase joins us now. let me ask you about this moment. i have not done a lot of campaign reporting myself. when i went new hampshire for the first time, i was struck by the duinkyness of it. talk about what this moment looks like. >> i went to iowa with dave igle. >> of "the washington post." >> he seems like, if you see his social media, he's in every place that every candidate was in at the same time. i wanted to see how he does that and get a feeling for the candidates that are going voter-by-voter. they don't necessarily get tv coverage. it does happen.

i noticed a picture of tim ryan with three people in iowa. it's intimate. i like that about it. when i went to des moines pride, which is kind of a small event. and people would throw themselves into it. people felt comfortable being up close. and it was a weirdly moving democracy is cool feeling. >> the lack of optimism, in light of the immigration poli policies we have in place today. i have friends in new hampshire -- >> not the state. >> dink cany, new hampshire. i grew up next door to new hampshire. i love new hampshire. it's great.

they get to see the candidates all the time. it's an intimate experience. and it's healthy for the democracy. as we all know, that devolves, if i may use that word, into big money and tv time and all those other things. >> i want to ask you how they see the race from that vantage. if you're talking with a guy with a bar at the distillery, how much do they care how they're polling? when they're in that environment. you talk to jay inslee. he's in it for the long haul, he says. we did talk about it. they're going to run out of money. it takes money to do it.

if at some point they can't be, we're shifting the moment where it's not 20 people free for all. there are people like john delaney, who i had a lot of fun talking to, he's at a point when he can't draw a crowd on his own. he will be at meet and greet events. he has eight offices in iowa. i don't know what's going to determine things for a candidate like delaney. if money is not an object, why would he stop? >> you're bothered by the candidates. you were saying it's a cool moment for democracy.

they're saying, it's a big tent. we have a lot of voices. >> you draw this to 2016, how that changed their outlook on this race. donald trump, having the breakout that he did, winning the presidency. how has that changed, the way the democrats are approaching this race? and people like dave weigel, long-time observers of politics are starting this race? it does talk about the feeling of, like, to say that somebody sort of should be in the race or shouldn't be in the race, from their perspective, like, feels very uncomfortable. it was really the reporters in my memory of it we were dismissing trump.

in the middle of summer 2015, he was leading in the polls and getting so much media coverage. there was a feeling among reporters that there's no way this guy can win. that makes a good point and that doesn't. obviously, we don't know. >> if we talk to jay inslee, i'm going to get blowback that we didn't cover somebody else. what's your assessment of how it's covered? how difficult is it to be one of the wannabes how the media is framing all that. >> you have more tools because of social media and technology, to reach voters than we ever have before.

on the debate stage, some things are working in this process. give that opportunity. whatever heard of williamson, and then, we spent a week talking about her. there is something good and refreshing that we have these broad, diverse voices. making their case to the american people about why they should be the next president of the united states. that's working right now. if we have this conversation, in four, five, seven months, then, it's hard for me. >> it's nice to have 45 minutes. by the last five or ten minutes, i feel like we're breaking through. in terms of the approach you had, do you find that on the ground there, you're getting to know them in a different way

than we would on national television? >> it's really hard. politicians are kind of the hardest people to talk to. they don't seem like real people. they're not used to acting like a real person. that's why i went with dave weigel. who sees them over and over? he gets to know them. when i got up close to o'rourke, he was still beto. he was awkward and introduce himself in a humble way. he didn't seem that different upclose than far away. we ran into delaney in the airport. we're just gossiping.

you know, they're going to do that. and that's not the most fun conversation. it's more like seeing people react to them up close. people get really excited or they're crying and they want to come up to her and be close to her. >> she's a rock star. people feel a thing towards her. that's interesting. with beto, they treat him too casually. >> he's more successful. you have superstars and baby acts. they do it retail. they do it fan by fan by fan. that's what you're seeing in iowa. >> for some of the people, the

governors, i think they thought they would have an easier time. they didn't take, i have to take whatever gig i can get. they are having to do that. >> bill cohen, last question to you. we saw that eric swalwell, saying, the odds are not good. we talk about the winnowing. >> there was one republican nominee in 2016, it was donald trump. somebody's going to emerge. it's a beautiful process. the humbling of it is great. we had barack obama emerge through that process. i'm excited to see who emerges.

>> swalwell serves on the committees. maybe you can run for a senate seat to be competitive, that's what you should be doing. >> he wanted to raise his profile, for some time now. i think he succeeded. he was smart getting out when he did. and others, if they're smart, will follow, his lead. when we come back, the white house event that included a controversial guest list and the fisticuffs that almost followed in the rose garden. n. we're oscar mayer deli fresh and you may know us from...

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i think that google and facebook and twitter, i think they treat conservatives and republicans very unfairly. and i think it's a serious problem. they're really trying to silence a very large part of this country. >> president trump back in august. thursday this week, the white house had a social media summit, but instead of including the companies that the president just mentioned, according to "the new york times," it included firebrands. the commander in chief lavished praise on them for their work

with the white house director of social media, dan scavino. >> he loves it. his imagination and working with all of you and many of you, he'll come up with ideas and you'll come up with ideas, and he'll run into my office and say, my office and say you've got to see this. >> journalism, according to president trump, the circus like event ended with a confrontation in the rose garden. >> go home. >> as reward for that performance the next day sebastian was gibbon the opportunity to sit down for an interview with the secretary of state. a basic question here, i hate to ask, but what was that? what was the social media summit? help us understand what the president hoped to get out of

it. >> the display of cognitive disance just extraordinary buffoonery. no one has benefitted more from social media than donald trump. and here he is complaining about it being unfair to republicans and it's a real big problem. honestly the extent of the cognitive dissonance with this guy. >> that message, i keep coming back to that message he delivered, we'll work together. >> that was a campaign function. he brought together people on social media who will tweet his message, encourage people to go out and vote for him in 2020. i've been summits that were held in that same space and they were for issues like criminal justice reform, and they had people from both sides of the aisle committed to working together. this was a taxpayer funded campaign activity. fourth of july.

>> let's talk a bit about that. you had the campaign saying ahead of that event saying it's not campaign and a day later it looked like the clouds had cleared and it wasn't. >> i think what the so-called summit was if you took the comment and pages of a breitbart news and put the people choocomment on them in one room in one place, that's what the summit was. it was a gathering of that noise. it bothers me sometimes we even talk about this nonsense because that's what it is. this was done in a place where serious business is cucked. whether it's peace treaties or criminal justice reform or gun vierance, serious issues that affect americans.

>> there was this combining of forces. the fist cuffs i teased a little while ago, that's exactly what president trump wanted out of this, that display eclipses all else that happened or didn't happen inside the east wing. >> what are we talking about now? we're talking about sebastian gorka and that, we shouldn't be talking about it. we shouldn't give him this airtime. we shouldn't give him this oxygen. enough already. >> it's hard to believe this is president who once had a story line on wwe monday night raw. >> or had a big audience in that fight, too. >> one thing is having the conversation ability it, but the bleeding of norms as we saw, with the campaign in the white

house becoming so closely tied to one another. >> this goes back to it way you started the hour, talking about how way the trump's strategy is to throw so much at people they can't possibly pay attention, but this idea he's eroding norms whether it's democratic institutions, whether it's how the executive branch interacts with the other branches or here, whether it's how the president uses taxpayer funded resources to conduct his campaign, we've got to keep our energy -- got to stay alert and focused on these issues because trump does. i agree we shouldn't give him anymore real estate in our heads than trump has. but at the same time we need to hold him accountable. nobody's done that yet and it's time. >> in cities across the countries we've ben talking about bracing for the trump administration's targeted immigration raids from coast to

coast. targeted immigration raids from coast to coast.

that does it for me today. thank you very much for watching. "am joy" with my friend and colleague and "the new york times" best selling author joy reid starts right now. >> i'm someone who escaped war, who escaped a really horrifying situation to enter a country, a neighboring country like kenya, and that neighboring country

provided water and safety and shelter. when we see stuff like this happening in other parts of the world we think, oh, we should do something, there is an atrocity being committed. and now you don't see the same kind of uproar here in the united states when these atrocities are being committed in the hands of our government. good morning and welcome to "am joy." well, in retelling the storyf oher own traumatic experience as a refugee congresswoman ilhan omar couldn't be any clearer in calling the actions by the trump administration exactly what they are, sheer cruelty and hypocrisy. and because cruelty seems to be the point of trump administration policy from trying to rig the census to snatching children away from their parents to putting men, women and children in cages for 30, 40, 50 days we should not be surprised they are now taking the next step. now expected to spend today conducting mass raids in major cities across america, attempting to seize more people,

targeting families, all in order to terrify migrants and to send a very distinct message, nonwhite immigrants are not welcome in donald trump's america. it's a message not just to non-white migrants and their families but also to the worst elements of donald trump's base. "the wall street journal" reports the operation began yesterday and didn't go quite as planned. according to a person familiar with the matter agents attempted raids in new york city on saturday but were rejected by those in homes because they didn't have warrants. the source said they would try again today and as mayors and advocates work to protect people from being taken, mark morgan the man who used to be in charge of yes, i was and now heads customs and border patrol was up this morning and reading talking points. >> you're talking about individuals that are here in violation of federal immigration

law, peo