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mitch mcconnell for spiking two election security bills, i talk to amy mcgraph one on one. she's challenging the majority leader for his senate seat in kentucky. first, we get to the breaking news. director of national intelligence, dan coats, will leave the administration in august. coats has come close to stepping down for months, frustrated over american military policy in syria, among other things. and the president, of course, has his own frustrations. he apparently calls coats mr. rogers behind closed doors, not a compliment from trump. the president tweeted tonight congressman john ratcliffe of texas will be nominated to replace coats after reports broke this afternoon. here is ratcliffe this morning on fox news mocking special counsel robert mueller. >> trey gaudy said it best this week, the person who learned the most about the mueller report during wednesday's hearings was robert mueller. that's sad but true. really what it meant is the

mueller report and conclusions were not from robert mueller. they were written by what a lot of people believe are hillary clinton's legal de facto team. a lot supported her and represented some of her aides. so the mueller report is really going to be difficult for the democrats or anyone to reply upon the findings of a report when they just listened to the man whose name was on top of it not have a command of what was even in it. >> meanwhile, congress is back home in the wake of mueller's testimony and more and more democrats are calling for impeachment. 12 more democrats since mueller testified. a number of them in just the last couple of hours pushing the total by nbc news' count to 104. and judiciary chairman jerrold nadler is asking for grand jury evidence going to court to say they're engaged in an impeachment investigation. with me here tonight white house bureau chief from "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst philip rutger, nag rrter for associated press,

juana summers. also with me former rnc chairman matt gorman and michael eric dyson, who is also the author of "what truth sounds like." thank you all for being here. phil rucker, get me start with you on the breaking news, coats stepping down, perhaps earlier than expected, but we know him and the relationship had a rocky relationship for quite some time. what is the backstory here? why has the president not been supportive of his dni lately? >> coats has actually been a misfit inside the administration from the beginning. he's a russia hawk from his years in the senate representing indiana. he's been out of touch with the president both in relations to vladimir putin and also the broader intelligence operations of the government. he's somebody who has daily access to the president -- not quite daily because he doesn't do the intelligence briefing every day but coats is in the room with the oval office when

he gets those briefings but they never really developed a warm rapport. coats has always been this sort of bulwark, protecting the integrity of the intelligence community, much the same way jim mattis protected the military as defense secretary and he's one of the last guardrails now. >> this is an intelligence community this president has repeated attacked and undermined. >> that's right, and when the president undermined the intelligence community in helsinki, coats issued a statement from the office of the dni disagreeing with what the president had to say about the u.s. intelligence's conclusions regarding russia's interference in the election. >> pretty striking. matt, i want to ask you about ratcliffe, who is the expected nominee here. we just got a statement from chuck schumer, the top democrat in the senate, who said the president is selecting radcliffe because he exhibited blind loyalty to president trump with demagogic questioning of former

special counsel robert mueller. elevates a partisan player to the position e. it requires nonpartisanship, it would be a good mistake. how will republicans argue he's qualified for the job? >> he's a former u.s. attorney. he's not someone who came on the scene in the last couple of months. he's been in the congress since 2014. since then he's been a pretty vocal member of the house oversight committee, well before robert mueller came on the scene. so i think he's somebody who has credibility. certainly as we saw this morning, he's pretty good on tv. he was good for the mueller questioning from the republican side. >> is that good for national security though, he was good on tv? >> i think before this to get the job, i think it was necessary and i also -- dan coats has done his fair share of tv as well. i think to phil's point, i don't like mr. rogers, i like mr. rogers a lot but also dan coats is very much in the bush mold.

he was the runner-up to don rumsfeld. so this is someone who much more fits the administration, someone like a dan coats. >> i take your point on that. there's that breaking news, but, of course, there are presidential tweets from over the weekend. seemingly changing the subject with the kind of tactics we very come to expect from him, trashing congressman elijah couplin cummings and district, which include the city of baltimore. if he spent more time in baltimore maybe he can help clean up this very dangerous and filthy place. "the washington post" reports trump's advisers concluded after the previous round of sweets that the overall message sent by such attacks -- and we're talking here about the squad -- is good for the president among his political base, resonating strongly with the white working class voters he needs to win re-election in 2020. this has prompted them to find

ways to fuse trump's nativist rhetoric with a love it or leave it appeal to pray tree tix ahead of the 2020 election. while speaking to avoid the overtly racist language that the president used in his tweets about the four congresswomen. at the same time all of this is happening, jared kushner has been described as a quote, hitting hand over the trump re-election campaign. and as part of this role, quote, he's asked bill steppian, a senior political adviser to the campaign, to provide him with a ten-year plan how republicans can win over inner city voters. you're the baltimore resident at the table. the baltimore sun took a position better to have a few rats than to be one was the headline of their editorial. seems like this is yet another round of this president using tactics we have obvious shrine him deploy before. it seems pretty obvious his team

has now decided relatively openly, it seems, that this is a good -- this is the way to win an election. >> that's right, kasie. the venue is different and member of the congress of color is different but these are the same tactics we've seen the president use from day one. here's my question in light of "the washington post" wanting them to appeal to inner city voters. the statements the president made doesn't sound like he recognizes or cares to knowledge that baltimore is part of the united states. these are people who they are -- they are the people of baltimore, he's there president too. baltimore is not that far away. i make that commute just about every day, and if he has concerns about the infrastructure in baltimore, the fact that the city is on pace to have 300-plus murders for i believe the fifth year in a row now, is it not incumbent on him to play some role in solving things instead of disparage the people who live the city, people who live there and raise their family there's? you don't hear that in these statements. >> professor dyson, what is the

impact of the president? we have seen really nasty campaign tactics many times. it is an unfortunately relatively common thing in our history. but rarely has it been so out in the open and so obvious to the point where his advisers are telling "the washington post" on background this is what they're doing. how much damage does that do to us? >> it's extraordinary damage. on the one hand it makes vulnerable those congress "peoplpeople assaulted and buffetted attacked and who knows some weirdo, some crackpot out there will try to assault them, hurt them and maim them. i get racist emails every day, death threats every day and i'm a professor at a school trying to make arguments within a civil discourse about the nature of american democracy. furthermore, it reinforces the perception this president is racist. here's a cell phone.

i have it on silent. when a ball comes through, it will still come. it will ring or be silent but the message is still received. whether trump is subtle or whether he is explicit, the racism he's reinforcing is there are but now those who are potentially complicit have no reason to suggest they are not also implicated in what he's doing. if you support this man after this, kwowithout making it clea you have no problem with the vicious assaults on african-american, latinos and other people, working class white folk, you have to go back to lbj, not lebron james but the president in the 1960s. he said the following, he said you know what, if you can convince the poorest white person that he's better than the average black person, you can pick his pocket. he said heck, if you convince him that he's really being buffetted, then he will pick his

pockets for you. the white working class is picking his pockets for a racist white president. the irony is they ain't getting no benefit from what he's doing. they have what they call the psychological wave of whiteness, but other than that, at least you're not a black person, there's no physical payoff or variable socioeconomic benefit. so the bully pit of donald trump devastated this country again. >> let's look how a series of republicans responded to these tweets. here's mick mulvaney, the president's acting chief of staff. >> you know this is a majority black district and when the president says rat-infested, he says no human being would live there. do you understand that is offensive to the americans who do live there? >> i understand everything donald trump says is offensive to some people. >> no human being would want to live there. >> when donald trump attacks

people -- >> this is perceived as racist. do you understand why? >> i understand why. but that doesn't mean that it's racist. >> doing this is stoking racial resentment left and right. he's done it multiple times this month alone. he obviously thinks this is good politics inside the republican party. do you think it's good politics inside the republican party? >> chuck, let's look at what he said. and why he did it. congressman cummings sat there and attacked our border patrol acts. this reminds me of what happened -- >> that justifies a racial resentment tweet in response? is that presidential leadership? >> look, i didn't -- i didn't do the tweets, chuck. >> so matt gorman, you can see that was senator rick scott, republican of florida, after mick mulvaney had trouble

answering these questions. so how -- are republicans just going to continue to defend what the president is doing, or essentially refrain from criticizing him, which kind of amounts to the same thing? >> i think there are a couple differences. the think the view go back where you came from and series of tweets and these. first of all, congress is not in session to people like phil and you and others will not be chasing him down in hallways. >> lucky them. >> and too they're not eager to inject themselves to a third tweet on the sunt. and the only african-american republican in the house saw them as these type of tweets as fundamentally different as the go-back and i respect his point of view. but i think republicans that i talked to on this, certainly baltimore had its share of problems, that's undeniable, in the last three or so mayors have not been up to par, so to speak. what president trump is doing is members of congress are not mares. he's not proposing a new answer.

he's just acting mean and vindictive. instead of saying elijah cummings is a talker, he did it in a mean, divisive way. >> by saying it's mean, he's mean-spirited, vicious and nasty. i lived in providence, rhode island. they didn't have great mayor there's but nobody attacked the italian cast on american politics, irish implications. the ethnicity of a mayor has nothing do with with the governing of that mayor. so suggest the mayors in baltimore have been lacking has something to do with impugning an entire race of people. that is on face prima fascia evidence. >> and there has been a white mare of baltimore recently. >> he went after los angeles and san francisco. i think this is broader.

>> but address the racist chaos of what's being said. everything you're saying may be true but it doesn't deny the fact the racial intend is there and has to be addressed by white people of goodwill in this country. >> the words and references of rats get close to a place none of us want to go. >> absolutely. >> phil, what is the sense, why did the president do this now? why go after elijah cummings now? >> there are a few things behind the scenes in addition to his strategy to appeal to overt racism, elijah cummings is a threat to president trump. he's the chairman of the overnight committee in the house. he's among the most aggressive in launching investigations into trump, his family, the members of his administration. in the last couple of days he got approval to begin subpoenaing the private text messages and emails of white house officials, including jared kushner and ivanka trump, the president's son-in-law and daughter. so there's a looming threat

there that cummings proses to the president. i don't know if this is purely a reaction to that. it technically seems to be a reaction that he watched on "fox & friends" saturday morning as is his typical weekend routine. but cummings is a real deal in the house and threat to the administration. >> getting very too close to home. we have a lot more to come on "kasie dc." jake of course soboroff talks about his new series "american swamp." and later dnc chairman tom perez stops by ahead of the next wave of democratic debates. and as we go to break, the reviews are in for robert mueller on capitol hill. >> testimony today on capitol hill from special counsel robert mueller himself. >> going live from democrats is they wanted americans, quote, see the movie. >> wait for the movie. watch the movie. it will be great. >> the booker was better than

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. just under 48 hours from now 20 democrats will take the stage to set off for his second debate. for joe biden, he's indicating that strategy may be different -- surprise, surprise -- this time on the debate stage. >> i was probably overly polite in the way i didn't respond. >> are you going to be less polite then? >> i'm going to smile a lot. >> what did you mean when you said you wouldn't be as polite in the next debate? >> we'll see. >> those comments come as he and senator kamala harris continue to rehash their heated exchange during the first debate. and cory booker is, again, going after biden on criminal justice reform after the former vice president unveiled his new proposal last week. >> i'm disappointed that it's taken joe biden years and years, until he was running for president, to actually say he made a mistake. there were things in that bill that were extraordinarily bad. now he's unveiled his crime bill

for a guy who was an architect for mass incarceration, this is an inadequate solution. >> it's all setting up what could be, of course, more fireworks wednesday night as all three of them are going to be on stage together. meanwhile, bernie sanders will take the stage the first night, alongside elizabeth warren in what looks to be a fight over the progressive wing of the party. but this morning he, too, focused on joe biden, pushing back on biden's criticism of sanders medicare for all plan. >> you are not going to be on the stage with him because of the luck of the draw. >> that's disingenuous on the part of joe. at the end of the day you may pay more in taxes but you're not paying premiums and co-payments and deductibles. you will pay less for your health care cost than you're paying right now. >> you think vice president biden know that's? >> of course he does. >> what's shaping up to be an interesting week, i know you have been out on the trail with

many of these candidates, i'm most interested in biden, he seems like he's trying to senate he's going to be less polite quote/unquote, like that explains why he took a step back from kamala harris on that stage. but also kind of going all the way there, what do you think we will see from biden this week? >> i think that's certainly the case and he should have known and likely did for the first debate, he knows he will be the center of focus. all of his rivals realize how far out ahead he is and they lies they have to land a blow. the more interesting debate is likely to come over the issue of health care. vice president biden supporting the obama health care and while bernie sanders supports medicare for all. we heard him preview that in comments as he's campaigning and talking about his own plan but he doesn't think all of his rivals are necessarily being

fully transparent when they talk about that plan. >> professor dyson, this is shaping up to be another conversation about race. and we saw that kind of explode in the first debate. now, of course, cory booker calling out joe biden, who put out this new criminal justice reform bill after taking some time, and this has been a reckoning really in the democratic party. i want to show you what biden said when he was asked about what cory booker said. cory booker called him the architect of mass incarceration. let's watch. >> cory booker called you the architect of mass incarceration. what do you think of that? >> cory knows that's not true, number one. number two, the significance of incarceration was done before the crime bill was written. number two, if you look at the mayor's record in newark, one of the provisions i wrote in the crime bill, pattern of practice

of misbehavior, his police department was stopping and frisking people, mostly african-american men. we took action against him. the justice department took action against him. held the police department accountable. he objected to federal interference. >> so he's at least practicing what he's going to say, to have all of that right at hand when a reporter asked him. >> he's step egg into t-- stepping into the ring. she's sparring. cory booker is polling at 1% so obviously as jesse jackson said, when you're on the field and have the ball, everybody's coming at you. joe biden is the front runner, the guy with the ball. cory booker is right to argue or make his argument about the ties of joe biden to incarceration. joe biden is hitting back about what happened under his mareship and also many african-american people at that time thought it was a good idea because of the

extraordinary hurt of crack cocaine and what that meant in those communities of color. so i think joe biden's lack of politeness is bert spoken to say he's going to be sharper more willing to give as much as he gets and not to stand back on decorum and then fight. i think he just got caught off guard in the first one and it's up to him to defend his record. he can always say this, i did some stuff 20, 30 years ago but since then, i've been hanging out with a guy for eight years and i try to help black people out and do some stuff. i don't know if you heard about him. barack obama, pretty bright guy, i hung out with him and i was his attack dog too. slow down, you're killing me. >> and many black voters seem to remember that very well, and now are with the former vice president. if you're a republican watching all of this unfold, first of all are republicans hoping donald trump gets re-elected? that's my favorite questions. republicans like you. put that aside --

>> you thought i put you on the spot. >> put that aside. feel free to address it if you want but that aside, looking from the perspective much trying to win if you're the trump campaign, how does this looming conversation help or hurt? >> i will say two things, whether you're running for president or senate, one things republicans do far better than democrats is draw a very direct line towards electing them to those offices and judges. i think that's one of the big reasons why republicans in 2016 with the fight over mayor garland but in 2018 you see the difference between electing republican representatives and that was helpful to president trump to get them over the hump to vote for them and certainly the two scotus appointments helped. the third point, i worked with jeb bush a little bit in 2016. one of the interesting things i'm seeing now is when you

telegraph big hits as kamala, biden and booker are, you have to go three responses deep. kamala harris was very good about counterpurging and punching back. if you're biding, how do you go back and forth and win the exchange? when it comes to booker, same thing. you have to script these out two, three, exchanges deep. it's not good to have one line off and hope for the best. >> mike tyson said everybody will play until he gets hit. >> so true. this is so true. thank you both very much for your insights tonight. in our next hour, one of the most undercovered stories of the week. facebook hit with a massive fine. but did they actually catch a massive break? up next though, senator tina smith calls senator majority leader mitch mcconnell's tenure a big, fat waste. g, fat waste ♪ limu emu & doug

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democratic senator from the great state of minnesota, tina smith. thank you very much for being here. >> it's great to be with you. >> i have to start with the president tweets over the weekend. he tweeted about the city of baltimore saying no human would want to live there. more recently tweeted elijah cummings, who represents that district and chairman of the oversight committee on the house side, is actually a racist himself. your response to what we have seen from the president. >> well, we keep thinking he's gone as long as can he go and then he goes even lower. this is a pattern of congressman comings, maxine waters, my colleague from minnesota, ilhan omar. you know what i'm thinking about, how do you feel if you are a young person living in baltimore right now? how do you feel if you're a public schoolteacher or a mom who's working two or three jobs to try to lift juyour family up? how do you feel if you're a lawyer or college-educated person or one of the best

educated districts around? it's so wrong to denigrate people. i want to think about what elijah cummings does to lift people un. up. i worked on a bill with him that make sure if people get caught in another government shutdown get health care, life-change pg event during a shut jouchb. he's known for his great work. >> there are some republicans basically saying what he said about cummings was not as bad as what he said about the squad. do you see a distinction? >> are we talking about is this as bad as that when we ought to be talking about lifting our country up rather than tear it down? for me this is a huge -- want to you call it missed opportunity but to me it's just tearing us apart. >> let's move to the senate. there was a significant piece of the senate intelligence committee report released late

last week on election security essentially saying there are significant steps and this was a bipartisan report, that the senate and congress should take to protect our future elections. senator mcconnell, the majority leader, has so far not been allowing that legislation to come to the floor. why, and can your colleagues change that? >> i hope so. the senate intelligence committee issued this report that said, every single state in the nation, 50 states, has had an incursion of russians at least attempting to influence the elections in those states. so this is siers problem. a serious problem. a couple weeks ago i wrote a commentary saying i thought mitch mcconnell's leadership in the senate was a big, fat waste. there are so many pieces of legislation we should be voting on that we're not voting it. i'm increasingly thinking his leadership is a big, fat threat. as robert mueller said last week as we sit here, the russians are trying to figure out how to interfere in our elections in 2020. yet we sit and sit and sit in

the united states senate. it's just wrong. >> do you have any concerns about minnesota's election systems in the 2020 election? >> our secretary of state tells us that many of the things we need to see around the country, including a paper trail for ballots, a post-election audit in order to make sure how the vos were counted were actually the votes that needed to be counted, we have many of those things in place. but minnesota also needed an incursion of federal funds to help beef up our election system. that's one of the bills sitting on the floor of the senate waiting for a vote to help states across the country make the investments they need to in their election system. somebody said it's like a county sheriff trying to fight a cyber attack. states don't have the resources. >> i want to also ask you about your former colleague, senator al franken, whose seat you now

hold. senator kirsten gillibrand has been talking about this on the campaign trail. she played a role in leading the charge asking for franken to resign. there are questions whether franken said he regrets the decision. here's how senator gillibrand defended her actions recently. take a look. >> i could have told my colleague then that there's no prize for standing up to a powerful man and try to hold him accountable. i could have told him then and i will tell him now. but you have to have the encourage to do what you say and believe anyway. >> was it right to encourage senator franken to step down? >> senator franken was a strong voice for minnesota and i'm a strong voice for minnesota. i won in november over ten points. that is al's story and i'm focused on my work and my work in the senate now. how can we lower the cost of prescription drugs and have better health care and school? al made the decision he made and

i don't second-guess it. >> what have you learned so far in the senate about being a woman in the job? i hope you i don't mind my saying this, the rules women have to follow, the dress code for the senate floor was written for men decades and decades ago. what has your experience been in the challenges of being a woman in this role? and a woman for that matter that might be running for president, like senator gillibrand. >> absolutely. one thing i will tell you every hearing room refrigerated down to 60 degrees. >> it's the way it works. or it could be because i'm eight years' pregnant but most years are terrible. >> the bathroom was upgraded several years ago and it's much better than it used to be. i have to say having been in the senate now for 19 months about that i find -- i love my colleagues, honestly. they're very interesting. republicans and democrats. it's a little bit like going to

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after a week of feuding over issues like health care, it's shaping up to be quite a showdown. we're less than 48 hours away from the candidates taking stage in detroit. joining me now is the chairman of the democratic national committee, tom perez. mr. chairman, always great to have you on the show. >> great to be back and best of luck to you. >> thank you. it's a very high-stakes week for you already. joe biden said he's not going to be quite as polite this time. what impact does the back and forth between these candidates have in terms of the overall goal of beating president trump? >> the good thing about this coming week is we're going to be talking about issues. we're going to talk about health care. we're going to talk about what can we do to make sure if you have a pre-existing condition, you can keep your health care? what are we going to do for farmers in wisconsin and elsewhere who are confronting an

absolute crisis because of the incompetence of this president? what are we going to do for the auto workers and auto layers are the highest they've been since the great recession. democrats saved the auto industry and under this president's watch, you're seeing more and more layoffs and that's what we're going to talk about. will there be differences in how to approach health care? yes, there will but what there are no differences in and what there's unity about is the fact every democrat wants to get to universal health care. we have differences about how to get from where we are now, which is pretty far up the mountain to universal health care. and that would be a great debate. voters need to know -- >> it is personal too. the race argument between kamala harris over desegregation and bussing and joe biden took it personally. he said afterwards, hey, we were friends. does that focus on race? it's shaping up between cory

booker criticizing joe biden over his legislation and back and forth but it's still going to be a big issue. >> i had the pleasure of working with just about everybody, including the three people you mentioned. their commitment to civil rights and opportunity is unparallels. the fight for voting rights, the fight to make sure a woman gets paid a fair day's wage for a fair day's pay is unparalleled. we have made progress. the discussion about joe's various votes taken, that's fair game. can you ask people about what you did and why you did it. but make no mistake about it. every single democrat running for president understands we have to build maan america that works for everyone. every person is judged by the content of their character and

nothing else. >> speaking of the back half of that line, not the color of their skin, this president has gone on another terror this weekend on twitter this time about elijah cummings and making comments about the city of baltimore, it's not fit for humans and crossing -- every single time we talk about this, another line crossed. his team at the white house and his presidential campaign has essentially signaled this is campaign strategy. he's going to try to win by essentially stoking racial resentment among white working class voters. do you think that's going to work? >> let me just say with elijah cummings, he's one of my heroes and elijah cummings is just a remarkable human being and great member of congress. i think phil rucker nailed it in your prior segment when he said this president is scared of elijah cummings because of the power he wields. let me get to the president directly, the distraction of

2018 was caravans. he didn't want to talk about health care because he was fighting to take away coverage with people with pre-existing conditions. he hasn't done a darn thing about prescription drug costs. he has made things work for farmers, incompetent, chronically ineffective. the distraction of 2020 will be again to attempt to divide this nation along racial lines. and that's not going to work. i mean, we ran the table in key states, michigan, where we will be tuesday. wisconsin, where we will be next year for the convention. pennsylvania, where we spend a lot of time. all of those three states, donald trump absolutely won those states in 2016 and democrats won them in 2018 because we're focused on the issues that matter most. what i say to everyone is don't allow donald trump to be distracted. that doesn't mean you don't stand up for civil rights. you don't stand up when one of our own is attacked but make sure we understand what this is

about. this is about distracting the american people from the task at hand. tens of thousands of tweets and he barely makes a mention of health care because he's on the wrong side of it. and that's the number one issue in this country. >> fair enough. before i let you go, this is going to be another debate where we have two nights. candidates -- ten candidates per stage. there are stricter rules for the fall coming up that will eliminate some candidates from the debate stage. what is your advice to candidates who don't make the debate cutoff coming up in the fall? do you think the democratic party is better off at that point having a smaller number of people on the field? >> well, our northstar has been to make sure everybody gets a fair shake in this race. that's why we had unprecedented avenues to get onto the debate stage, including grass roots fund-raising. i talked to people saying i invested $1 in candidate x and i am proud i had a role of them

getting on the debate stage. in every cycle, as we got closer and closer to the time we're veet voting, candidates had to demonstrate they're gaining steam. so from september we're moving from 1% or 65,000 unique voters to 2% and 130,000 unique voters. and i think that's a fair movement forward, and we are planning for two nights. if more than ten candidates make the debate stage. and that will be up to them. and that's why these debates this tuesday and wednesday are very important. we've given unprecedented access to the debate stage. people and entities like msnbc and others have been really i think inclusive about having town halls and other opportunities. so i think there's been unprecedented media for every single candidate. and over the course of movement, iowa and new hampshire and nevada and south carolina,

you've got to up your game. >> there you go. there we go. you have got to up your game. dnc chairman tom perez, thank you so much. coming up next -- democrats have looked to history to see they might not get what wanted out o robert mueller testimony, that's next. robert mueller testimo ny, that's next

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sometimes hearings are eye popping. remember michael cohen's? others don't have the fireworks that may have been expected. hillary clinton's appearance before gazi on benghazi. clinton was seen well-prepared and patient and given up more information beyond what was found in eight investigations. >> congress wrote at the time,

benghazi bust. that's very good news for hillary clinton. gadi himself expressed about it earlier this year. >> what serious finder of fact can you name that identifies information in five minutes increment and does it on television. you got me. the grand jury or local sheriff does not do it. >> well, you tried to do it in the past. >> i was an unmitigated failure which is why the 100 investigations in iran, we interviewed 102 of them were done behind closed doors and only one done publicly and that did not go well. >> interesting for gadi there and for democrats there seems to be behind the scenes of feeling on the one hand that it did not necessarily was not as sharpen

as a movie as they may have wanted to be. on the other hand. quite a few additional people came out and in favor impeachment this year. clearly, it has made some difference. >> it changed those minds because of a substance of what mueller communicated, yes or no, it is in the report. he laid out a damaging fact for the president. impeachment is a political question and they need momentum to get there and nancy pelosi says they need the public behind it and mueller was not able to deliver that. there were hopes among democrats that don mcgahn if he can come forward and testify. >> that's a lot of question for mcgahn whether he's going to show up. who in your view is right and nancy pelosi sort of looks at this and thinks you know what we could get in our own way if we

try to impeach. >> democrats keep falling in the same trap i believe when it comes to mueller. i live in massachusetts for a few years. they expected to be this majestic play to fit in the country. i keep thinking about that when i hear them talk about mueller before the report it is going to be a bomb shell and indictments or before the testimony, it is going to be a vivid narrative and painting a lot of pictures and new information and breaking the dam on impeachment. the report and the testimony was no sunshine or rainbows or republicans. it consistently has not failed to meet the high bar democrats set for themselves and it is just a rock of the ocean. >> it is a very interesting analogy. >> matt and phil, thank you very much, always great to have both of you. we have a lot more to come about robert mueller and the departure

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>> mueller was effective. >> they animated his work. >> they knew it was a disaster. the investigation was not impeded and hindered and not stopped. >> it is heavy evidence to indict the president. >> anyone else would have done what he did would have been indicted. >> this is not over, it is just bizar bizarre. >> the senate would not convict him. president trump attacked congressman elijah cummings tweeting his district is quote "disgusted and infested." >> no human beings would live there. >> i didn't do the tweet. i can't talk about why he did what he did. >> there is a pattern here. >> our president has a hate agenda. he does not have a policy age a agenda. the president is disgusting and racist. >> it has absolute zero to do with race. >> the president was supposed to represent all americans.

>> he's spending too much time reading between the lines. >> i am not reading in between the lines, i am reading the lines. >> welcome back, we begin with a question. which trump administration officials once said this, the warning lights are blinking red again. >> it was in the month prior to september 2011, according to cia director george hennen, the system was blinking red. here we are two decades later and i am here to say the warning lights blinking red again. >> that would be former director of national intelligence, dan coats. the president confirmed on twitter that he'll depart next month. john ratliff of texas is set to be replacing him. here is ratliff talking about the origins of the investigation

on fox news. >> we have to make sure what democrats have not done. they accused donald trump to crime. i am not going to accuse any specific person of any specific crime. i want there to be a fair process to get there. what i do know a former federal prosecutors, does not appear there were crimes committed during the obama administration >> coats' departure comes after the intelligence committee released a bipartisan report. the u.s. unprepared -- the state and federal level sorely lacking. here is what chris wray and

robert mueller had to say in hearings about 24 hours apart. >> fair to say that -- >> everything we have done from russia deter them enough. all the sanctions and all the talks are still at it. >> my view is not until they are stopped and they have flu shnot deterred enough. >> i have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. the russian government efforts to interfere in our election is among the most serious. >> in your investigation, did you think this was a single attempt by the russian to get involved in our election or did you find evidence they'll try to do this again. >> it was not a single attempt. they're doing it as we sit here and they're expecting to do it during the next campaign. >> meanwhile senate majority leader mitch mcconnell blocked the series of bills this week aimed at strengthen u.s. elections including the house

pass bill that would authorize $775 million to bolster state's electi election systems. >> my friend, the democratic leader is asking new hampshiuna consent to pass in the house of representatives relating to american elections is a highly partisan bill where we spent two years hiking up a conspiracy theory about president trump and russia and who continues to ignore this administration. with that, ill li would like to welcome in ken dilanian and our politico national correspondent, natasha bertran and our msnbc contributor, betsy woodruff.

this is great, talk about this topic, i have to say -- let me start with you in terms of nbc reporting on the dni's decision to step down kind of where we stand and how we got here and what potentially it needs from the intelligence committee. >> this was long and expected. nbc news reported dan coats have been on thin ice for months and talked about leaving. we never clicked with donald trump. it is nonetheless jarring. he's being replaced by a guy who's bipartisan or not. >> i love mr. roger and it drives me crazy on the insults of donald trump. >> and i totally get it. not because he was the most confident and the most on the

ball dni ever been. he's willing to stand up and speak for power and public of the russian affair problem, which was not a popular stance to take. he appointed an election security czar. it is not clear to whether those kinds of decisions led to this results. it could not helped. >> we'll go through this a little bit to see if we can get to the bottom of why this may have unfolded. >> coats have been director of national intelligence sense march of 2015. he warned over and over again about election threats just this week. rumors have swirl that the president was annoyed with coats like when he testified that north korea was unloo i cikely e up their weapons though trump

tweeted already that north korea was no longer a threat. and there was this moment where andrea mitchell broke the news to coats about vladimir putin visiting the white house. >> we have breaking news that vladimir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. >> say that again? [ laughter ] >> you -- vladimir putin is coming here. >> yeah, yeah. >> okay. >> yeah. >> that's going to be special. >> jeremy bash, he kind of said what we were all thinking at the type. at the time he was just as he and i a remarkable assessmenass. >> that statement by dan coats came from the hills of the

meeting at helsinki. in that interview and elsewhere, dan coats had to acknowledge he had no idea of what was said between the u.s. president and the head of russia. this is part of dan coats' truth showing and ken sized it up right. he was someone with good republican credentials. when he came into the role of dni, he served as a non-political leader and he led the community with a lot of honor and authority and he stated publicly in testimony, north korea was not going to denuclearize and russia was preparing to meddle in the 2020 election. >> these were facts that you laid out that the president basically said. >> all that truth telling basically anger the president, the president pushed him aside. >> betsy woodruff.

let's think about john ratlicli and chuck schumer put out a strong statement. is there a sense he's qualify and what impact will the switch have on the community? ratcliff is a conservative republican. he prosecuted terrorists and leaders. he dealt with a lot of cyber security issues. he's not totally new to this. with that said, he does not have the depth of experience that are a number of other former dni have. one thing that ratcliff has is the trust of the president. by the end of coats' time as dni, there is an extraordinary friction between him and the president days after coats told congress at one of their hearings of many of the comments you referred to regarding to iran deal. the president cancelled the

daily intelligence briefing. it is not unusual for briefings to be cancelled but coats and gina haskell were in downtown washington and it was viewed as a really sort of disquieting moment to see the dni crowded out. for ratcliff he'll have access to the president and a little while coats may not have had by the tail of it. >> why may the president trust ratcliff more and some events of last week may help explain that. here is ratcliff talking about mueller. >> volume two was not authorized under the law to be written. it was written to the legal standard that does not exist. it was written in violation of every doj principle. i agree with the chairman this morning when he said donald trump is not above the law. he's not. but, he damn sure should not be below the law which is where volume two of this report puts in.

>> na thtashnatasha, perhaps as suggest it is going to make him trust him. his performance where he suggested the obama administration committed crime and prejudge a lot already before coming into the post. the justice department investigation is going on into the origins of the russia probe and he'll be able to declassify a lot of things and members of the community and certainly would want, the sense that i have gotten from people within the intel community since this news broke, it was not devon nun necessa there is a little bit of relief of what betsy says pans out.

he's able to reestablish trust between the intel and the community. >> that'll be something. let's just say. can more broadly here as we watched the mueller hearing unfold this week to a certain extent of mix reviews. what is the sense among -- i know you covered the ic and the justice department extensively. where does this head legally and there is still open investigations and the president is still questioning the authority of a lot of these officials. >> yes. the mueller hearing did not move the ball on impeachment and we all sort of hash it over and the question of optimistics. one thing that did emerge is an impression which is the something that we already recorded. counter intelligence investigation is still ongoing. what was the national security damage from the trump campaign

flirtation with the russians. the fbi is investigating various strands of that. we don't know. it has never been answered and mueller did not talk about it. house of intelligence committee is still troo ig ying to dig wi fbi. what did the fbi find and what are they still investigating and what are the implications for national security. that could be painful for donald trump going forward. >> what do you think in. >> it is a great point. when the fbi does account intelligence incision, they're reporting up intelligence channels. the dni, the drenirector now ha trump's loyalist that's going to come into the job and putting that person in the chain of command who has the ability to declassify and end the investigation of the president's circle. that's a dangerous president. that maybe one of the motivating factors for the president here

in asking him to take this job. >> what's your report say about this? >> it was challenge to prejudge the way ratcliff will serve dni. their grave concerns preconfirmation. jeff sessions generated enormous concerns prior to his confirmation but he ended up defining the president. in the case of ratcliff he's not viewed as a fire brand the way nunes and others are. he's also going to be able to reach out to folks who are seen as war in some of these issues. frankly it is going to take a couple of months of him being in the job to get a sense of what's changed or not and trust the folks in the intelligence community. >> natasha, nbc is still working on recording this out. steve holland includes a line

of -- saying he got the country ready to deal with election security challenges. that seems to be something where the senate can take any action despite the senate report, does action needs to be taken quickly. what's your sense as you recorded out on these issues of where we stand and be ready to counter another attack. there is a frustration with the general still lack of coordination that's been going on between federal state and local election officials. we have seen the election security bill gets stalled because mitch mcconnell does not want to bring it to the floor. that's because he does not want to annoy the president. it would be seen as a redo of election. in general, the complaints have been look, we sort of really know what is going on here. the state is over reach that mcconnell also has been talking about. in order to get that kind of

cohesive strategy, the president does not want to profd thvide t message. >> jeremy bash, thank you. we got a lot more coming including a live interview with amy mcgrath. the headline is eye catching facebook is paying $5 billion in fines. th we got more after this. th we got more after this new shell v-power nitro+ premium gasoline has four levels of defense against gunk, wear, corrosion and friction. that helps keep your engine running like new. it's fuel for thought.

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facebook announced the $5 billion settlement this week. it sounds like a lot of money until you put it into context. our cnbc, define the amount of less than 9% of the company's 2018 revenue and less than 1%. zuckerberg has to make quarterly and annually reports to the ftc. the agreement is being criticized from consumer advocates for not going far

enough. sarah fisher, thank you for being here tonight, roy, let me start with you. this is a huge action but for the ftc, or at least it sounds that way but what is your sense of whether they went as far as they could here in taking action against facebook. how may this may have stung more and why not do it if they have it available to them. >> well, we need to start with the fact that facebook is a gigantic company. it is ten times the market cap of general motors. we need to come to the realization that companies like this have a lot of power over our lives. it is not just about privacy. it is about how they impact our national security. we know that russia was using digital platforms to undermine our democracy. the stakes on this are very, very high. finding a company like facebook

a couple weeks of revenue is not going to fix the fundamental problem that we have with these digital platforms. i think this is fundamentally wrong. >> so, was there anything more that your commission could have done commissioner? you said "the fine prints for settlement have a lot to facebook to settle." what would you have done differently about this? >> i was frustrated that we stopped the investigation before we really knew what was going on. we did not collect the documents in mark zuckerberg's hand. we did not hear his testimony under oath. we did not come up with why was this business model fundamentally broke in and motivating facebook to violate our privacy flagrantly and repeatedly. this is not the first time they have done it. facebook was under a former ftc order in 2012 and almost

immediately they violated it and i believe they violated it for profits, putting all of us at risk. we should have continue to investigate and found the evidence and we should have not just simply given a blanket minty to the executives and to the company for all these violations which remains unspecified and unknown. >> who can be trusted and who should be doing this in your view? our agency can't just be settling major investigations to get a big headline. we have to fix the problem. the problem is facebook incentive to engage in what's called behavioral advertising. that means engaging in mass surveillance overall of what we are doing online in order to not

just show us advertisements but to sell our behavior and allow others to manipulate us. until we fix or regulate that business model. we'll continue exposing our citizens at risk to their safety and risk of national security. we didn't solve it with this action but all over the globe there are regulators all through our states, there are state attorney general who knows the ball is in their court. the harm to our country is going to be big unless we get going and fix this. >> you cover these companies, that's a pretty dwyer assessment of what their business model is and what they're looking for from all of us and how they're profiting some things we are willing to give it away. what in your view as a reporter, what impact this settlement have

and is there a reason why zuckerberg having to certify these privacy things. does it mean anything or does it not? >> i think facebook sees it as a win. they're stuck with earnings and days this announcement was made. we have no regulation trying to get them to fix things. all we have is an ftc that could go after this them. they don't have any sort of privacy regulations that's going to hold them accountable. the impact on facebook here is pretty minimal. does facebook view themselves as an american company first and for most, do they view themselves as as global company? >> very good question. 88% of facebook users are outside of the u.s. a huge amount of revenue comes from the united states. they view themselves as a company adheres to the laws and other jurisdictions to other extent that they have moral alignme alignment. there may be some contradiction

in china that facebook do not want to go with it. they view themselves as a moneymaker so they care a lot of how they're going to be regulated here. if we pass some privacy laws, they should be worried. >> cambridge analytica and the commissioner also tweeted about that. the given facebook official immunity. how much danger are we in, a repeat of what happens to cambridge analytica. >> yes, there is not really any teeth there. it is always cambridge analytica, people create this company and harvest informations to facebook and facebook being the body and the cambridge analytica that neefeeds off of .

it needs to pass privacy laws and if and when the incentive is there in congress then maybe we'll get some regulations. >> charging facebook $5 billion would be like charging me $5. >> this is just not a lot of money into context and it is not going to have a deter in effect. this settlement is going to change the way facebook behaves. the fact that executives ar are -- it should not be overlooked. in the wake of a financial crisis where no bankers were individually charged. unless there is accountability for individuals for specific people at high levels who wheel the power in these companies. these companies are not changing the way they pay. that affects many developing nation. facebook is the internet. if you look at berma where the

infrastructure was built rapidly. everyone uses facebook. that created a horrible problem as a government of that center started an ethic cleansing campaign against minorities. they have been censored by facebook. literal hate speech have incentivized violent attacks against these people. they're going to keep acting without consequences. >> betsy and sarah and ken dilanian is sticking around. thank you so much. a live binterview with amy mcgrath. another democrat generating a lot of buzz but failed to beat

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average kentuckians. >> i think you are absolutely right. it is a function of him being in office for so long. many are so tired of the way things are going. look at why they voted for president trump. they voted for an outsider. he promised to drain the swamp. my message is you can't do that until you get rid of senator mcconnell. >> how can you win as an democratic of a state that president trump won by 30 points. >> just making that case. many voted trump to drain the swamp. many took his words. he was going to get down prescription drug prices and fix healthcare and make it better for people. he was going to do increase in infrastructure.

he stops alo who stops him along the way? mitch mcconnell. he's somebody who when president trump talks about getting down prices at reasonable ways of prescription drugs like reimporting drugs from canada, or making medicare and re-negotiating prices. these are reasonable things that is stopped by mcconnell. so it is not rocket science. you are saying positive things about president trump's agenda. would you support him in 2020? >> well, for me it is not about being antitrump or protr-trump. i am going to be with somebody who'll work with any president regardless of where that president he or she -- >> who would you vote for? >> i have a great concern with voting for president trump because i believe that anybody

that wraps his arms around dictators in north korea and disparages our allies, i am not somebody that can vote for that person as commander in chief. >> could you vote for trump? >> i could not. >> he has disparaged our allies. i fought in combat with them. for me it is personal. i don't think that you know i would vote for any commander in chief that can do that. >> so, i guess i am missing the steps where you are arguing against the president's agenda. are you saying has mitch mcconnell stood against the president here on those issues you raise with our alliieallies? >> many kentuckians voted for trump to drain the swamp and i am saying you can't do that with

mcconnell. we pay the most per capita and number two in if nation of prescription drugs. mitch mcconnell is totally disconnected of what's happening in kentucky of our lives. we have an opioid crisis in kentucky. we have two times the death rate in terms of overdoses. we have a senator who had a campaign slogan that called himself cocaine mitch. how disconnected do you have to be to make fun of what's happening if kentucky when we have a drug problem and we have a senator who wants to make money off of this slogan. it shows you the disconnect. >> i have to ask you earlier this month, you spoke with the journal and you said you would have voted to confirm brett kavanaugh. there was a lot of criticism and you tweeted that after reflecting about it, you would have voted no. why did you change your opinion

in the course of the day and how did you not know where you stood previously? >> well, i was asked about brett kavanaugh and that same interview, i talked about my reservations against him and with his ruling and serious allegations and credible allegations against dr. ford. i said in the moem i looked at misbasic qualification his basic caqualifications that would vote for him, yes. i knew that i needed to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. based on his past, i knew i could not vote for brett kavanaugh. i corrected that in the most professional manner that i could. >> was it about the rules and a lot of people who are reakingct to what you said. the question is dr. kristine

ford. do you believe what she said? >> i believe she's credible. pushing through the nomination the way mitch mcconnell did. i sat on boards and promotion boards and disciplinary boards. when ever there is a serious allegation the way there was in this case. you stop the boards. you have the investigation and look at all the evidence. that did not happen in this case. mitch mcconnell ran this through and that was wrong. in addition we would not be talking about this is as such a partisan thing if it was not for mitch mcconnell holding up a sitting president's nominee, mayor garland from even getting a vote in the senate. he's the one responsible of this being a mess from the beginning. that's why i am running against him. >> one of the issues is healthcare, medicare for all. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren advocated for healthcare.

private plans should run alongside amed care for all plan. would you vote against a plan that took away private insurance? >> no, i think taking away private insurance is not the way we need to go. on the campaign trail, i met so many people who have come up to me and said affordable care act saved my life. it was never a perfect piece of legislation. we don't throw it away and start over with a whole new system. what we need to do is fix it. we node eed to elect people in faith want to fix the system that we have. i would vote for a public option to give people more choice, you know, so they can have a government plan they can buy into. i am a retired military officer. my family has a military option, a government option that we buy into. i think all americans ought to

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my colleagues jacob soboroff and katy tur is launching a new series tonight. nbc news award winning correspondent jacob soboroff joins me now to talk about their four-part series. it is great to have you. i can't wait to watch the show tonight. before we chat about it, i want to hello a little tease of what we can expect tonight. take a look. >> sometimes spending tens of millions of dollars but they have no bricks and morter. their money spikes in election years and drop off. these are trademark qualities political committee. >> what's the difference of what you are describing and money laundering? >> not a whole heck a lot. we track these flows going

through complex networks to i a impart erase it. >> because it is anonymous, how can we be sure it is domestic? we have evidence that foreign countries would love to meddle into our elections. >> jacob, i am excited to see this first episode. tell us what viewers can expect tonight. katy tur, i admire her too much. you did this throughout her entire pregnancy. totally amazing. >> four episodes. it is a very clear pregnancy. >> it does not go that fast in real life. >> i can imagine. >> first before we get into it. thank you, you didn't tell them of the secret sauce. we had no idea what we are doing

on the hill so we would call you every time we show up on the hill not only where to go and who to talk to and how to get answers in this town. so thank you for that. >> you are welcome. >> you rolled out the red carpet for us. >> this is just me baegging you viewers to stick around into the next hour. when we go across the country, visually nobody says that their daily lives are reflected of the way washington, d.c. and politicians talk about their daily lives. we want to figure out why that is and to a person, people do not trust the way washington, d.c. sets out to deal with business of the american people. i think that largely is what most people think about when they think about the swamp. and the disconnects in our lives and washington, d.c. we dive in many issues. the first one, the premier episode is the proverseme amoun

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