good morning, i'm jo ling kent at msnbc world headquarters. you're watching breaking news coverage. 6:00 a.m. out east and 3:00 a.m. out west. here's what we know right now. there have been two mass shootings in the u.s. in less than 24 hours. one is the deadliest this year. in less than one day, at least 29 people were killed separately in two states. ohio and texas. at least 42 people wounded.

some fighting for their lives right now. one of the targets, families doing saturday shopping in el paso. the other, crowds at a weekend night spot in dayton, ohio. >> around 1:00, we got the first reports of the devastating mass shooting in the downtown area of the oregon district of dayton, ohio. that's 1:00 a.m. today. not to be confused with yesterday's shooting. a gunman opening fire, killing at least nine people, injuring 16 others. police say the suspect was using a long gun. witnesses calling in to us moments ago and describing the shots ringing in one after the other. we're told that the gunman was killed by police who were in the area. no officers were injured and officials are now trying to identify who exactly that suspect was. now, dayton police gave us this update. just a couple hours ago. >> we had multiple officers in the immediate vicinity when this

incident started. there's a very short timeline of violence. for that, we're very fortunate. this was all an exterior event. it all occurred outside. >> any description of the shooter you can share? >> not yet. the shooter is deceased. you know, we still -- we're interviewing obviously a lot of witnesses as well as officers to try to determine if anybody else was involved. >> what type of weapon was used? >> it was a long gun. >> no officers were injured. >> nine dead, plus the suspects. so ten dead on east fifth street and 16 that we're aware of, hospitalized in unknown condition. >> we also spoke with a witness who was an eyewitness to all of this. listen to how anthony reynolds describes the scene. >> we hear a shot like we just hear the sound of a gunshot.

we didn't think it was a gunshot because we're not used to that. then we hear a repetitive array of gunshots. my friend was behind me. i'm telling him, come on, they're shooting. as i turn around, you can see bodies falling in the line at the bar. people falling and screaming and then the chaotic, the mob of people running. you can just -- it became a frenzied situation. >> anthon incompetent, i'm so sorry that you had to witness this. can you describe for us what this neighborhood is like on a normal night. >> it's live bands, it's nightclub atmospheres, bars, just a lot of middle class, working class people, college students. it's very peaceful. oregon is one of dayton's historic districts. we spent a lot of time down there. we cherish that area. we usually don't have any incidents. >> i know that police told us that they were able to respond

very quickly because they were out there on patrol for what was supposed to be a fun, regular saturday night. how quickly did you see law enforcement respond to this awful situation? >> i can honestly say that law enforcement were prompt. they are usually down there with heavy presence in the oregon district on saturday. it's usually peaceful because of it. but at this point, they responded quickly. i can't say what -- i've seen any of them do. i was kind of running. but i know for sure, at least within a minute. it wasn't too long. >> anthony, did you see the shooter? >> yes. heavy-set, white man. black attire. he had a face covering up but you could see the top of his head. >> all right. you heard the words from anthony reynolds. we spoke with him a few moments ago. he said it sounded like pop pop,

then pop pop pop pop. the shots ringing out. kathy park is covering the dayton shooting for us. she joins us on the phone. what are you hearing? >> reporter: kendis, jo, good morning. it's disheartening to be on the air after reporting the last shooting in el paso, texas. the shooting happened around 1:22 a.m. the oregon district. which is considered the downtown area. as you heard a lot of people mention, this is a popular place on a saturday night known for nightlife. lots of restaurants and bars in the area. it's relatively active. it's a saturday night. lots of people were out and about. there are officers in close proximity patrolling the area. the police official a couple hours ago when they briefed the media said that was critical. it allowed the response time to be shortened. they were able to arrive on the scene within minutes. police are saying it's just one

shooter, they believe, was the person behind the massacre. has not been identified but confronted by multiple officers and eventually died from gunshot wounds. we don't have a motive at this point but we know that the weapon used was a long gun. the latest numbers once again, disheartening to share this with you. nine dead, 16 wounded. police are saying that there is no longer a threat to the area. once again, they do shooter. they're investigating the possibility of more people being involved. as you know, in scenes like this, multiple agencies arrived quickly and the fbi is investigating. >> kathy, we also talked to the spokesperson of one of the hospitals in the area. kettering health system. what do you know about the extent of at least of the 16 injured? >> jo, to be honest with you, i'm en route to the airport

right now. as far as what i have been hearing, as far as reports go, injuries right now are holding steady at 16. officials are not releasing the extent of those injuries. as you know, these numbers are preliminary and can fluctuate throughout the morning. >> totally understandable. just this note to our viewers of what you're looking at on the screen. the large image that's there on the left, that's a live picture of the historic oregon district there in downtown dayton. occasional occasionally, somebody will come in front of the camera shot. that's because it's a live picture there. you can see several hours after the shootings took place, that area is sealed off and heavy police presence right there as cops are trying to figure out what exactly took place. i know that the fbi is on the scene as well. we believe other agencies, federal agencies will be en route.

we're joined by kathy park en route to the scene of this. you said it at the top. quite unbelievable that less than 24 hours after the massive shooting that took place in el paso, we're en route and hearing about another one this early morning. >> kendis, that's right. as i mentioned, this happened hours ago in a popular area of downtown dayton. the oregon district. as you know, the popular place because of a lot of restaurants and bars it's known for. just lots of activity. it's also a saturday evening. fortunately, there were a lot of officers on the scene because it was a normal evening. i apologize, i'm getting out of the car to get to the shooting. but i was told that there is no immediate threat at this point. they are investigating the possibility of another shooter.

but it looks like it was the act of a lone shooter. it sickens me to know that hours ago i was reporting on the devastation in el paso, texas and here we are talking about another mass shooting. >> kathy, we want you to have a safe trip to dayton, ohio, get there on the ground for us. thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> sure. let's move on to the other incident that took place. hate to describe it as an incident. we're not being cavalier when we rattle off these numbers. we shouldn't. it's pretty unbelievable and devastating. all that's happening in the last 24 hours in this country. that said, 20 people lost their lives yesterday. just as importantly, 26 people were injured when some dude walked into a walmart with a rifle, an ak-47 and opened fire. this was the scene inside the nearby see ella vista mall. people went there to try to shop for back to cool supplies.

this was a sale taking place. they left that mall not with sales items but instead with their hand up in the air running for the exit. many are still searching for loved ones at the nearby walmart. listen to this emotional interview. >> she talked to my brother at 10:33. he fws out the checkout at walmart. i'll be out in five minutes. at 10:39 on the internet, somebody shot somebody. please tell me if it was my mom or not. i can't find her. she's 86 years old. i got tired of waiting and waiting and waiting. i want to know where my mom is. >> police are trying to process the scene finding dead and wounded as they continue. >> it is a lengthy process. people are responding to that location. we ask that they have patience and bear with us as we're doing the best we can to relocate or locate their loved ones or give them any information.

>> the suspect surrendered at the scene. an online diatribe connected to the 21-year-old in the dallas area is a key part of the investigation. >> governor greg abbott of texas says it will be prosecuted as a hate crime. blayne alexander and morgan chesky are live on the o scene for us. we'll start with morgan chesky who is there. morgan? >> reporter: kendis and jo ling, we're here about a hundred yards from that walmart where the shooting took place yesterday causing so much tragedy in and around this city. upon arriving here last night, you can feel the tone here as everyone is in shock as a result of this. we've seen the images and the pictures come in as a result of that shooting. these people hiding for their lives inside that walmart as that shooter made its way through the building opening fire on individuals. >> we heard from a person inside the walmart saying when she

heard them dropping, it sounded like boxes being dpropd from the store. when she figured out what was going on, she moved people an exit. others had to find a place to hide. the mall which is behind me, veneer to the walmart was on lockdown for hours so police could move in and make sure everything was clear. that that suspect was the only one connected to this crime and he was taken into custody and there were not multiple shooters at the crime scene. as i mentioned that crime scene, it is massive in scope. investigators, including the fbi are here working through the night. gathering every bit of evidence they can in hopes of learning more with this incident. as you mentioned that die strieb written posted online. we think about a half hour before the shooting took place. authorities say they were tipped off to it but did not receive it in time to intercept the shoot

he will br he went on the shooting rampage. this area closed down for the near future as authorities get the evidence. there are people posting pleas on social media. kendis, as you mentioned, there are still victims' bodies inside that have to remain there until authorities gather all the evidence they need to in this case, leaving a lot of people in the community simply at a loss, unable what they face with the coming day. kendis? >> morgan, without giving the guy any more credit or publicity, what more are we hearing about the diatribe posted online? >> without going into too much detail and giving him any undue credit, kendis, i can tell you that he said he was taking it upon himself to handle a hispanic invasion into the united states, doing whatever he needed to do to stop that. highly racist writing, contained

within it, militant in nature. you could clearly tell just the layman that this was a highly disturbed individual. kendis. >> clearly, there is going to be a conversation that happens about guns in america after this and clearly nothing will happen about it but there has to be a conversation especially based on the diatribe and the racist rhetoric about the sort of rhetoric that we've had recently and the dog whistle information that has gone out there in this country. thank you. morgan chesky in el paso. with more than two dozen people wounded in el paso, several hospitals are treating individuals. el paso childrens hospital and other hospitals. officials from dell sole are set to give us an update in about two hours. until then, we have frr el paso joining us live, nbc's blayne alexander. blayne, what can you tell us

about the victims who have been transported to the hospitals? >> reporter: well, jo ling, answer dis, good morning to you. we're at del sol. of those wounds 11 were brought here for treatment. as you said, we are awaiting an update from officials later this morning just within about two hours or so. there are a lot of things we're waiting to find out. namely, just how the 11 people are doing. we want to find out their conditions and how that treatment is going. let me set the scene for you guys. again, 26 people were wounded in that shooting massacre yesterday. 11 of them were brought here. they range between the ages of 35 and 82 years old. there were two other medical centers, the university medical center and an el paso children's hospital, those saw the rest of the wounded there. all of these medical centers are within four o or five miles of each other and within a close rapping of that walmart and that shopping center where this incident happened. we're waiting to learn more

about those who are irn side and the wounded here. we heard from governor abbott yesterday, called this one of the deadliest days in the history of texas. and just shortly after that shooting, a tweet went out from the el paso police department saying they need blood. in urgent need of blood and that they were face aing a shortage because they had to treat so many people. is wasn't too long after that, we started seeing the long lines showing up, it videos and images of people standing in line to donate blood and wanting to help. certainly a look at the spirit of people here in el paso. trying to help in any way that they can. as you mentioned, guys, there are still people who are just waiting to find out any information. in fact, as our crew was setting up this morning, there were a group of people who said they may know somebody inside through

a second or third degree source. trying to find out any information they can. certainly waiting to hear more from the director of trauma later this morning as to how the treatment is going tore the 11 wound n inside. >> blayne, we want to take a quick pause and alert viewers that we have heard from the mayor of dayton, ohio. another mass shooting has taken place will. nan whaley saying on twitter. i'm heartbroken. thank you to our first responders for all that you have done. we will share updates. that's coming from the dayton mayor. nan whaley there. blayne alexander is continuing on the ground for us in el paso. blayne, i have a follow-up question if you're still with us. the mexican president announcing three mexicans among those killed and there are serious concerns that some of the victims may not be seeking medical treatment because of their immigration status. what do you know about this?

>> reporter: yeah. i do think i want to comment on what you mentioned. the fact that we have to hop bang and forth between updates from el paso and updates from dayton. echoing what kathy park said. we have two mass shootings, almost struggling to keep the details sprit at this point is mind-boggling. from here in el paso, though, i do think it's serm a concern and something that a lot of people have been talking about. you heard morgan talk about this he is a or diatribe that the shooter allegedly posted online allegedly before the shoog. was strongly apt immigrant. he's from not close to here, a suburb of dallas, texas. that's certainly a long drive across the state of texas if in fact he did drive. targeting the el paso community. this is a border community. this is something we've heard a lot about in the news.

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welcome back to our continuing breaking news coverage. two mass shootings in two u.s. states in less than 13 hours apart. separately. at least 29 people were killed in el paso texas and in dayton ohio. unbelievable. this is what we know right now of the second mass shooting that took place in the oregon district of dayton this morning. at least nine people lost their lives this morning. 16 others were injured. police say a shooter opened fire using a long gun. the cons are saying the suspect was -- the suspect was killed on the scene. we spoke to a witness earlier and listen to what he told us

and also we'll hear from the dayton police. >> the man come from over there by the cart and he just opened fire as we walking. i'm in front of my friend. i hear one gunshot. i don't know, we don't know what's going on. we're thinking it's a sound. then we hear another shot, realize it's gunfire. then it turned into more rapid fire and my friend was behind me. i started running and turn around and tell my friend to come on. i see people in the line actually start to fall like they were getting hit with the bullets. that's when you see a whole crowd of people just now starting to run and it became a frenzied situation. >> currently, we're working on identifying the suspect. we'll see what possible motivation there might have been. we do not have that yet. suspect was firing a long gun with multiple rounds.

>> the shooting in dayton, ohio came less than a day after the nation's deadliest mass shooting this year. at least 20 people were injured or -- killed in el paso, texas, when a 21-year-old lone begun man opened fire at a walmart yesterday. the suspect was armed with a rifle and taken into custody after he surrendered to police. the el paso police chief says there appears to be a nexus to a hate crime. they're investigating a diatribe that may have been posted online. including anti-government and -- we're on the scene in dayton, ohio. wayne, thank you for joining us. >> yes. thank you for having me. >> we're so sorry for what has happened to your community here. i'd like to know, what do you know in terms of the latest developments there on the ground? >> well, we just came from a conference, press conference at the convention center downtown.

and law enforcement was telling us that, including the shooter that there are ten deceased right now. the coroner just left. you have people that just stunned. this is an area that caters to upper middle class and college students, very pristine and laid back. this is the last thing that you would expect in this area. a birthday party was going on tonight, and a family that knows their loved one is one of the victims, they have gathered at an arby's adjacent to the oregon district and people are just collapsed on the ground sobbing and crying. they can't believe it. they're waiting for official word. i was told maybe a half hour ago that the young lady, their loved one had facetimed her fiance and

said it doesn't look good, there's bullets flying everywhere, i don't think i'm going to make it. apparently, she has not made it. that's what they're telling me. >> i'm so sorry. i know we keep saying that. but we -- our heart goes out to your entire community in this. can you tell us a little more about this oregon district. we spoke with a witness earlier who had come from ned peppers, he said it was a safe area. it's a place popular to hang out and yes, there are police there on a normal basis, just to patrola as you would any crowded area. >> absolutely. there's picnic tables that people in the decent weather they're outside enjoying themselves. you can hear the music. there's restaurants that just are neck and neck with each other. this is just a walk and almost a

scripted show if you wanted to paint a portrait of just a nice middle class area that's safe and secure and one of the witnesses told me they heard gunshots and ran because it was so out of character for this area. and they just feared for their lives and ran. this is something that you would not expect. if you saw a photograph of this area, you would say that gun violence, murder would be the last thing you would expect. >> wayne, we also know that you're processing the el paso shooting as well. 20 dead there. 26 injured at least least. a 21-year-old with an ak-47. knowing that and processing that yesterday, as a journalist and member of the community, what was it like when you first heard the news about what happened in dayton? >> the first thing collectively that all of us said, we couldn't

believe it in the newsroom. we were trying to figure out if we had anybody locally in el paso and we actually have somebody stationed down there that grew up in a neighboring community. he has marked himself safe. him and his family weren't out shopping or in harm's way at all. we were thankful to hear that. but in a close-knit community like, when you hear of a mass shooting, you immediately think you're going to know somebody or somebody you work with is going to know somebody. that's what struck us. getting down here and seeing this elderly woman worrying about her granddaughter, with her cane and assistance from the gentleman coming up to the police area in tears, it just breaks your heart. it's something that you would go -- if you would send our kids

or grandkids out to a birthday party, you would think they would return safe. the look in her eyes was just beyond words. just collapsed on pavement at 4:00 in the morning in arby's parking lot. knowing they lost a loved one out celebrating a birthday party. absolutely horrendous. >> once again, we're talking with wayne baker, with the dayton daily news. just moments after the shooting took place at 1:00 a.m. there local time. he was there at the scene. point of clarification, wayne, a little bit earlier said there were ten people dead. that in fact is true, dee sight what you're seeing on the graphic. we're referring to the nine victims who were dead. >> absolutely. >> the fact that the gunman killed himself. >> nine victims in this. >> the gunman was neutralized by multiple police officers in

dayton. >> this is totally correct. i have to tell you guys, what police were saying, they do have regular patrols down here and they are thankful for that. >> right. >> because of the quick response time, they were able to neutr neutralize the shooter. apparently what a couple told me, the shooter tried to gain entry to ned peppers with the rifle and somebody was able to confront him and take the rifle as police responded. >> wayne, would we have any idea why this particular bar, i know it's a popular bar there in town town dayton. notes as well that the owner of ned peppers owned a couple of establishments in town. he passed away a few months ago. any idea why that barro owe what is it about that place, the demographic whatever? >> they had a few skirmishes. but it would be the prototypical

college bar. a lot of people, yes, they are drinking, you have people that are in close quarters and sometimes fights and different things happen. police have been called there before. but you never expect somebody to just spray the place with bullets. it doesn't make sense. that's what people down here are trying to wrap their heads around because of a bar fight, there's been broke fenn bottles and fist a cuffs, et cetera, but nothing obviously to this magnitude. >> wayne, you're a journalist but most north wor i, a member of this community. how tough is this? >> you know, when you asked me the question, i had to take a deep breath. growing up around here even and remembering coming here in younger days, you flashback to certainly much better times.

about an hour and a half ago, looking at the coroner load body bags into the van, you can't find the words. you try to catch your breath. >> no doubt an image that will stay in your mind and brain and eyes forever. >> absolutely. >> wayne baker of the dayton daily news. we'll let you catch your breath and take time to reflect here. thank you so much for your time. >> i appreciate you guys having me on. >> thank you. hans nichols is following the president in berkeley heights, new jersey. hans, we're dealing with two mass shootings in the last 13 hours. what's the reaction from the white house right now? >> the president hasn't weighed in on the shooting in dayton. they were pretty quick to weigh in in el paso. the president said the shooting in el paso was shocking and an act of cower dis.

there are no reasons or excuses to justify killing innocent people. melania and i said heartfelt prayers and -- the president kwob under pressure to declare that some sort of extremist terrorism, white nationalism terrifying in the words of pete buttigieg. rod rosen steinsaid it's time to call it what it is. white national list terrorism. we'll see if the president weighs if on that and the second shooting, whether or not there are other plans to visit either el paso or dayton. the synagogue shooting in pennsylvania, when there's another shooting, the president went out there. he's made a point to visit that's appropriate that doesn't interfere with first pondst responders. >> just to pick up on your

point, rod rosen steinsays they chas fie it as terrorismism. do you think this in kind of pressure from officials in his administration will move the needle here? >> reporter: potentially. this is a political mine field for the president. he's shied away from doing that in the past and stayed away from condemning individual acts and treating it more like a mental health crisis. if he does, that will mark a major shift in what everyone can agree is a burgeoning national problem. >> we have yet to hear the president called this by the lone white gunman, any sort of terrorism. whenever something happens where there is a muslim suspect or so, the president is need to get out there with call it terrorism. be interesting to see if he at least talks about the incident

from yesterday as that. hans, the president is expected to leave the bedminster area at some point today. in the past, there were opportunities where he will speak on camera. do we expect to hear him speak to the cameras at some point? >> reporter: there's nothing on schedule. but the president always has the ability and the opportunity to find the cameras that are traveling with him. when he leaves later this afternoon, there will be an opportunity for that. they could -- it depends what they think the best way to communicate this message is. in the past, the president has come to the cameras and made a statement and given us thoughts on it. >> guys? >> kendis gibson traveling with the president, keep us posted. >> or hans. >> i'm sorry. >> hans nichols traveling with the president. >> keeping note of this. to bring up the point that rod rosenstein was pointing out and as we look at the two live pictures.

on the left is el paso. it's still. police activity. police at the walmart. on the right, dayton, the historic oregon district there with the sun already coming out there. jim cavanaugh a former atf and contributor here at nbc and msnbc said these garbage white nationalists posted online are being written by cowards who then go out and kill kids and innocent people, it spreads like with isis and al qaeda. it's nothing new. just repackaged for the digital age. that's from our former atf agent jim cavanaugh. just an interesting take there on all of this. he was referring, of course, though to the first shooting that took place there in el paso. >> we're also getting an update on the dayton shooting as well. mayor whaley of dayton, ohio, will be holding a press conference at 7:00 a.m. eastern at the dayton convention center

to update us on the situation there. what we know in dayton is that nine people have been killed, at least 16 injured. the gunman was also killed by multiple police officers there on scene. they were already patrolling the area there. the oregon district with bars and restaurants when they had to respond. dayton police say it was a short timeline of violence because they were there on the scene. police also telling us in a briefing morning, they've been training many, many years for this type of unfortunately, ready for it. we've also been in touch with the hospital as well. a spokeswoman there tell us that they do not yet have an update on injuries right now. but we do know the gunman in dayton, ohio, has been killed by multiple officers. no police injured in that mass shooting. >> yes. but it is still very much busy scene there in dayton. of note, as you look at the scene, the tiny little yellow

markings on the screen, if you're listening on the radio, many of them on the ground. those, of course, are where the shell casings and evidence markers are close-up picture of it right there. it is clearly, a wide and very big scene for the police department in dayton to go over. they still have that area very much sealed off. they are getting the help we're told of the fbi. the atf and dea will be of assistance. as jo ling mentioned, the mayor of dayton will be holding a press conference at the top of the hour, 7:00 a.m. eastern time. that's local for dayton. that's being held at the convention center. which is quite a place. that is the reunification center, 7:00 a.m. that is the reunification center for many of the victims and family members right now and the images i've seen from there just heart-wrenching as many of the people get together to find out that their loved ones are okay. >> we've been hearing from witnesses on the ground in dayton, ohio.

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we're back this half hour following the breaking news out of el paso, texas and dayton, ohio. 20 people killed and 26 wounded after a gunman opened fire. the first shooting took place yesterday in el paso, the walmart where 20 were killed and 26 injured. a 21-year-old male was apprehended at the scene. traveled from allen, texas, according to the el paso, police chief. the fbi is treating this as

domestic terrorism and the el paso police are working with the fbi, dea and state and federal agencies during this investigation. unfortunately, other breaking news from dayton, ohio where another mass shooting took place. according to dayton, police lieutenant colonel matt carper, nine people lost their lives and 16 hospitalized. listen to this. >> the shooter is deceased from gunshot wuds from the responding officers. we have nine victims deceased in addition to that on east fifth street. we have approximately 16 more victims hospitalized right now in unknown conditions. suspect was firing a long gun with multiple rounds at the victims. >> this dayton shooting happening just hours after the shooting in el paso. the mayor of dayton is now expected to hold a news conference at the top of the hour.

a few minutes ago, reporter ashley kirk land of our affiliate in cincinnati spoke with two witnesses of the shooting in dayton. let's listen in right now. >> how did you know tonight was different? >> the screams. the cruisers. the chaos. i've never been pushed out of -- i've never been told to get out. but the security guards and themselves were running around telling people to get out. just how everybody was acting, you knew that something was wrong. you came outside, as soon as you hit the street, you see the bodies. you knew that this was different. you knew it's something you never thought of experiencing. never experienced. wouldn't want anyone to experience. >> we're going to bring you from dayton, ohio, to el paso, texas now. we're going to get the latest from nbc's morgan chesky. morgan, what is the latest at the crime scene there?

>> reporter: jo, this investigation very much under way this morning. the walmart where all of this took place just behind me about 50 yards away. that's where investigators are still making their way through that building, gathering every bit of evidence they can in hopes of building a case against this alleged shooter. the only believed suspect that walked into this walmart yesterday morning, we believe he started to open fire in the parking lot before making his way inside where some people were able to run outside to find safety, others trapped inside, forbesed to hide. we've seen -- forced to hide. video of people ducking behind whatever they could as the telltale sound of gunfire rank throughout the building. we know there was a woman working at a checkout who confused that sound with someone dropping large boxes. it was indeed the sound of gunfire. she was able to get people and move them outside. this walmart, keep in mind, is in a popular area. we're only five miles from a

heavily used border crossing from texas into mexico. it's near the mall which is adjacent to it. that was placed on lockdown for hours yesterday. many people not knowing what was going on as police tried to keep everyone there, they hoped to track down the suspect and take him into custody without incident. at this point in time from our last check-in with authorities, they aremotive. there is an essay that was posted online that is believed to be tied to him at this point in time. it's not been confirmed. it was an essay detailing an anti-immigration, anti-government, anti-corporation here just dee testing so much of what america stands for before this attack took place. we do know that federal authorities were tipped off to the posting of this online essay about a half hour before the gunman opened fire. but that wasn't enough time for them to intercept him before

he's believed to have shown up at this walmart and pulled out that rifle and start shooting people inside. unfortunately, at this point in time, a lot of families are left waiting in this area, jo. there's still victims inside. they don't know yet their current status. >> morgan chesky, thank you so much. we're going to el paso where blayne alexander is back with us. several patients have been operated on since arriving at the hospital. what do we know about the extent of the injures, blayne? >> thank you. we're here at del sol where 11 patients were brought. this is one of three hospitals triting the wounded. we're waiting to hear a news conference in less than two hours. we're going to hear from the ceo of the hospital and the director of medical trauma. we're going to find out how the patients are doing. you heard morgan talk about the

fact that families are waiting to see where loved ones are being treated. earlier this morning, there were about six, seven or eight, a group of people out here waiting to seven, or eight, a group of people out here waiting to see if they could get information because they believe they might know 1 of the 11 patients being treated inside del sol medical center. so a lot of that is heart-wrenching when you think about the fact that we're now hours into the response to this and there are so many families who just don't know where their loved ones are. so i want to go over to university medical center as well, because that's one of the places that's treating these patients. we do know that the former congressman for this area, beto o'rourke, of course, a 2020 candidate, visited some of the patients there yesterday. he spoke afterwards and said he wished that he was able to come on different circumstances, under different circumstances. but this is his hometown, and he spoke very passionately about just the kind of resiliency that you see from the people here in el paso and the people coming together. so, we can expect to see an

update here, more people coming to visit some of the patients, and certainly looking for a lot of updates on the medical conditions, and hopefully, some names and some idea of who exactly was targeted during that attack yesterday. >> we know there was a call to donate blood. hundreds of people showed up. what can you tell us about those donations? have they been helpful here? >> reporter: well, you know what, that's really what's been so remarkable here. one of the kind of story lines we're seeing that's been so remarkable. it was a tweet that went out from el paso police, essentially saying, urgent, blood is needy urgently, just a simple tweet. it did not take long at all for there to be lines, constant pictures and videos of lines, people just wrapped around the corners almost, waiting to donate blood. so yes, that is something that has come in handy, we understand, because they were looking at a possible shortage of blood just because of the sheer number of wounded that they were trying to treat across three different hospitals here. so, that's something that people have pointed to repeatedly as

just the spirit of people here in el paso trying to help in any way that they can. and i will share this bit with you guys. as i was riding from the airport yesterday, i was talking with my uber driver about this, and he said he's lived in l paso almost his whole life, and i was just kind of asking his thoughts, and he paused for a long time and then just gave a deep sigh and says, i guess it means that el paso is now just brought into the real world. so, a kind of somber take from him, just saying, look, this is unfortunately the reality and now, sadly, el paso, texas, is part of that grim reality, guys. >> a community certainly reeling here. blayne alexander, thank you for joining us from el paso. appreciate it. >> back with us now is former atf agent jim kavanaugh. and jim, earlier, i don't know if your ears were ringing, i was quoting what you were saying yesterday in reference to the el paso shooting, where you said, "these garbage white nationalist screeds posted online are being

written by cowards who then go out and kill kids and innocent people. it spreads just like with isis and al qaeda. it's nothing new. just repackaged for the digital age." expound on that. >> well, let's take you back historically. you know, there was a notorious meeting of organized hate in estes park, colorado, in 1992, and it was the klansmen, the militias, the antigovernment extremists, haters, the neo-nazi pasto pastors, and they met there in the mountains. and lewis beam, the notorious klansman, issued a writing at that meeting about leaderless resistance. and it was on the heels of all of us in the federal service and law enforcement breaking up a lot of these klan and nazi groups by infiltrating them. i mean, we were infiltrating those claverns and groups and

taking down their conspiracies. i mean, we had actually had atf agents, you know, marching as klansmen inside, infiltrating the groups in klan marches. fbi was working on them. atf was infiltrating them. we were destroying them. and beam came up with this leaderless resistance. it was from an old military idea against the soviet union developed in the '80s, but he pushed it did with the nazis. and we're seeing it today. it's taken hold. this was his vision, that people would act. and many of the shootings that we all know about -- i won't enumerate them all -- but in recent years were the effect of this leaderless resistance. in other words, act on your own. you don't need direction from the head of the klan or the nazi head. you just need a figurehead, someone out there who's talking and is espousing the philosophy, and you act on your own when the time is right. >> so, in modern-day history, who's doing that? >> well, in modern -- there's

still a lot of these agents of influence on the web that are direct purveyors of that influence. a lot of this talk is mainstream, and it's in the political world, and you see all this talk from the president about go back and anti-immigrants, and that plays into their mind-set. so, there's a lot of energy for them out there from politicians, and there's also direct orders or direct encouragement for mass murder. so this is what's going on. now, al qaeda and isis also used those tactics later and would direct their followers, just go out and drive a truck over people, you know, use whatever you have, make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom. i mean, they were also using this leaderless resistance model that lewis beam, the notorious klansman had perpetrated in '92. and we all had to work after that on these people who were doing these things. >> yeah, we did. >> and they're still doing it today. they're still doing it within the last few hours.

that's what we're watching, leaderless resistance. >> that is the frightening part of what's taken place on the streets of our cities all across america. jim cavanaugh, thank you. >> we're waiting for the mayor of dayton, ohio, to hold a nerves conference on this deadly shooting that killed nine people overnight. we're going to bring you all of it at the top of the hour. 're g it at the top of the hour. hmm. exactly. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need.

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good morning. i'm jo ling kent alongside kendis gibson here in new york city at msnbc world

headquarters. you're watching breaking news coverage here on msnbc at 7:00 a.m. in the east, 4:00 a.m. out west. here's what we know right now. there have been two mass shootings in the u.s. in less than 24 hours. one of those shootings now the deadliest one this year. in less than one day, at least 29 people have been killed separately in two states, ohio and texas. at least 42 people wounded, some fighting for their lives right now. among the targets, families doing their saturday shopping in el paso, the other target, crowds at a popular weekend night spot in dayton, ohio. >> okay, so at any moment now, the dayton mayor is expected to hold a press conference to update us on the situation there, but as you noted, at least nine people were killed in downtown area of dayton, the oregon district of dayton. it's a historic park in that town. the shooting started around 1:00 a.m. when the gunman started opening fire. these are live