griffeth, my old friend. we will see you back here tomorrow. thank you for watching. can you watch or listen on sirius xm, tune in, msnbc.com/now, msnbc app and apple tv. find me on social media, twitter, facebook, snapchat and linkedin. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. and today 17 years and about 335 days after terrorists declared war on the american homeland in the attacks of 9/11, we woke up to the same language of war from some of our government officials. this time the enemy is domestic terrorism. according to fbi director chris wray, it's largely puyoled by white supremacy. in the wake of two mass shootings over the weekend in texas and ohio that together killed 31 people and wounded 45 more, there's an open question

today about the role the president's racist language may be playing in the uptick of violence, particularly as we learn more about the shooting in el paso. its language that targets elected officials of color, immigrants, asylum seekers and athletes, language amplified damy on the president's twitter feed, featured prominently at his maga rallies and sometimes preceded by similar attacks by fox news and other right wing media. phil rucker from "the washington post" puts the finest point on question surrounding the president's role writing this, after yet another mass slaying the question surrounding the president is no longer whether he will respond as a president once did but whether his words contributed to the carnage. from the moment trump rode down his gold-plated escalator four years ago to start his renegade run for the white house, us against them language about immigrants has been a consistent

and defining feature of his campaign. now for his presidency. absent from his repertoire has been a forceful repudiation of the white nationalism taking rise on his watch. and as watching the cia fight the russian attack on our democracy, while trump often seemed to row in the opposite direction, questions now about whether the fbi will white white supremacy while the president encourages hatred. congresswoman escobar, whose district includes el paso, spoke out about the president's role this morning. >> words have consequences. and the president has made my community and my people the enemy. he has told the country that we are people to be feared, people to be hated. he has done that at his rallies. he has done that through his twitter. i heard earlier someone

mentioned he may be coming here. i hope he has the self-awareness to understand that we are in pain and we are mourning and we are doing our very best in our typical, beautiful, grateful el paso way to continue to be resilient. >> the president made remarks this morning 50 hours after the first shots rang out in el paso at a walmart. but nothing he said today erased his lengthy and ongoing screed against americans of color and immigrants. >> they're bringing drugs and crime, they're rapists. you know what they are, they are thugs. build that wall, you're right. i think there's blame on both sides. i think there's blame on both sides. you know what, we're not letting these people invade our country. if you look at the border and look at the hundreds of thousands of people that are invading or at least trying to

invade our country. >> it is an invasion, you know that? i say invasion. isn't that terrible? i don't care what the fake media says, that's an invasion of our country. but how do you stop these people? you can't. that's only in the panhandle you can get away with that statement. >> according to two sources, members of the crowd yelled shoot them. the president's response, only in the opinion handle. that is whe panhandle. that's where we start with eddie glaude from american studies at princeton university, politics etd iter for the daily beast, sam stein is back, raul reyes -- should we confess that i practiced and still got it wrong? columnist for "usa today," who's from el paso, was there this weekend and joins us. former republican congressman now an independent, david jolly, former assistant director for

counterintelligence at the fbi, frank figliuzzi is here, and with us today the piece we quoted, white house bureau chief for "the washington post," phil rucker. phil rucker, i will out myself. i emailed you last night and said i thought your reporting was some of the best and distressing of trump's presidency and i want to read what you wrote. this gets to the heart of the matter. the overlap of the killer's manifesto in donald trump's language. portions of the 2,300 word essay titled "the inconvenient truth" closely mirror rp's rhetoric as well as the language of the white nationalist moment, including the warning of the spanish invasion of texas. the author is so aligned with the president he decided to include in his manifesto by

clarifying his views predate trump's 2016 and arguing that and blaming him would amount to fake news. so the killer so aligned with trump that he's more trump than trump? >> it's chilling, nicolle. reading that manifesto, you see so many parallels to the kind of message trump delivered from the oval office, from the presidential podium at his rallies, from his twitter which are presidential statements and what we saw today at the white house from the president when he gave that scripted speech at 10:00 a.m. was almost a repudiation of what we heard previously from trump. there are two trumps on display, the presidential scripted trump and the id that bashes immigrants and talks about them as sub human and talks about this invasion. so the president's going to have to grapple with his rhetoric and his words and the extent to which that language has congress contributed to the tensions and

divisions in this country. and perhaps the very carnage we saw in texas. >> the words that i can hardly believe as they come out of philip rucker's mouth, frank figliuzzi, but you predicted this. you so much as predicted that the tinderbox that phil and peter baker of "the new york times" have written about, this country's sort of state of play when it comes to questions of race. so amped up by the president's rhetoric, colliding with this rise in white supremacy and domestic terrorism. talk about what you predicted, what you feared, and what has come to pass. >> well, i have never felt so badly about being right before. i wish i were wrong. but i had to put pen to paper because it was instinctive. this isn't rocket science. if you have been in the intelligence community, you have an instinct to identify a threat, push it out and get the

intel and prediction out. what i saw happening was the theme of the president attacking the so-called squad, the elected congress members of color, telling them to go back where they came from and the attack on elijah cummings and the city of baltimore where no human, quote, would want to live. i saw that resonating among the white hate groups, the white supremacist movement and i saw them being encouraged and boldened by it. that kind of was a trigger that i saw developing that i needed to talk about. what i see is uncanny parallels between the radicalization you see in islamic, violent extremism, radicalization to commit jihad, go to jihad, and then what we are seeing in the white supremacy movement, so how do you stop it? we're talking about health care and mental health and guns.

yes, we talk about that but one way to stop is it is for the driving radicalizer on the other side, that guy has to come out and say i announce thirenounce reject it, i denounce it. i don't need it anymore. stop it. it's not american. and we didn't hear that. the president to use a baseball phrase today was swang aa swing miss. he didn't say i renounced. he said the nation must condemn racism. guess what? we condemn it already. but how about you? you are the radicalizer in chief. we didn't hear that today. >> we're going to spend more time on this later in the show bit, fra but, frankly, let me stay with you on this. the parallel was haunting. i was in the white house on 9/11. i know everything we did and the policies and choices and

decisions will be debated until the end of time. but after 9/11 and the attack on the homeland the questions are not whether or not they will be attacked again but where and when? we can debate which ones were right and which ones were wrong but the condition duct from the u.s. government was from the top to the bottom to make policies for the attack. what you're saying is the person at the top of the federal government didn't even say i condemn the terrorist conduct. >> i am saying he didn't go far enough. he tried, he swung, he didn't make contact with the ball. as a result of that those who are unstable amongst our society, who don't make the subtle distinction between a license to hate and then a license to murder, they don't see that distinction. i hear people say well, the president didn't directly call for violence. he's not responsible for el paso. the subtle distinction between a call to act and call to hate is lost on people who are of the

extremist ideology, seeking to belong to somebody bigger than themselves and they found it. and the only way to stop that and disrupt the radicalization process is call it out and stop them. he didn't do it. so i fear they're going to interpret his press conference today and that subtle but important difference between i reject and we must reject, they're going to say that was the lip service that he had to pay to us. his script writer made him say that. he doesn't really mean it. and that's not disrupting the radicalization. >> frank, i was reminded about the power of speech by a former senior intelligence official who said, remember the length we want to after 9/11 to find the perpetrators, the purveyors of terrorist speech? we did things that will forever alienate people from the bush presidency like looking for phone records, wiretapping. we were so hungry for the speech. now the speech is on a twitter

feed. it's on radio station. it's on the internet. what do you do when the speech is everywhere? you don't even have to look for it. >> well, first we need a whole new government approach, as you said, like we had after 9/11. we literally change the laws. we created an entire government agency called the department of homeland security. we created an executive called the director of national intelligence. we all pulled together and changed our government to combat the threat. now what are we hearing? we are hearing from the fbi that the new threat by far, the number of cases p. the numb, th arrests is all about white terrorism and white hate. yet all we are hearing is it's some kind of mental health problem. we are not seeing the all-out government response necessary to get this job done. >> that's the threat. raul, let's talk about the targets. the targets were moms and dads communities of color buying

pencils and backpacks and notebooks for their kids in back-to-school shopping. >> as you mentioned, i was there in el paso for a family reunion. before any of these details came out, one thing i heard was this shooter want from el paso and that was true. el paso is a very, friendly and very safe place. in fact, i knew it was targeted because this mall is a place everyone in el paso has been there a million times. and with regard to the president's remarks, sad to say i don't really see at this point anything he can do in words and actions throughout his presidency, he's basically declared open season on latinos because we are one of his favorite targets. and it's not just the language he used. he mentioned calling mexicans drug dealers and rapists when he came down the escalator. that was day one. then it escalated into attacks on the journalists and attacks in the so-called mexican judge. then ramped up to the invasion,

warning people of a caravan and words like infestation. what do you do with an infestation? the natural conclusion is attempt extermination. to me there's very little distinction between inciting this violence and the fact it's now happening. sad to say, it's probably inevitable. he knows what he's doing. this resonates with a portion of his base and he has succeeded unfortunately of turning the entire conversation about latinos in the united states to hinge on illegal immigration, undocumented people and the purported threat latinos pose to this country. we rarely hear latinos in education, views on health care and climate change, and that's in large part to him. in that sense very tragically he has succeeded. >> what do you do when certainly the last republican president fought for, sought and not ideal

but 44% of latino voters, so politically power signed the last republican administration. president obama used to try to pass comprehensive reform with latino leaders. and now you have a president talking about exterminating latino. >> to me it's not even a question what this president could do. it brings me no pleasure saying this. i just think with this administration, it's too late. and it's not even a political question. obama, george w. bush, h.w., all of the presidents in modern history made sincere outreach to latinos, whether or not their views happen to align with mainstream latinos. they wanted to be in the report. this president doesn't have the slightest modicum of respect, virtually no regard for our communities. we've seen the way he's treated some of the most prominent people, latino achievers in this

nation and his words strike me as utterly insincere, completely inauthentic. if you paid five minutes of attention to trump over the years, you know he's just reading words over a teleprompter totally passive voice. >> the fleem who have spoken, you're the third person to say those words are diskengted conn what he does and why on this program we do not air them. you were there with the attacks on the squad that week and we played obama singing "amazing grace." we have that video again. it's also worth for main talking about how far from normal we are. because i think some of the feelings are disoriented by this conversation. actually even as i ask you the question about the lightning of extermination in my head i couldn't remember that was something he said about baltimore or something said by a surrogate or something he said about the latino community, but

it's on us to be specific to decline it where you have to pull down the files of insults that he used for different minority groups is so overwhelming at this point. i take your point. the questions have all been answered, what now? >> it's a very difficult question, nicolle. i mean, america is not unique in its sins as a country. we're not unique in our evils to be honest with you. i think where we may be singular is our refusal to acknowledge them. and legends and myths we tell about our inherent goodness to hide and cover and conceal so we can maintain a kind of willful ignorance that protects our innocence. the thing is when the tea party was happening, we were saying pu pundits, it's just an economic populous. when people knew, people knew

social scientists were already writing what was driving the tea party were anxieties about demographic shifts that the country was changing, they were seeing these racial, ambiguous babies on kyrgios commercials. the country wasn't quite feeling like a white nation anymore. people were screaming from the top of their lungs, yo, this is simply not just economic populism. this is the ugly underbelly of the country. see, the thing is is this, i will say it and i will take the hit on it, there are communities who have had to bear the brunt of white americans confronting the danger of their innocence. and it happens every generation. so somehow we have to kind of oh, my god, is this who we are? and just again, here's another generation of babies, think about it, a 2-year-old had his bones broken by two parents trying to shield him from being kid.

a woman who had been married to this man for as long as i have been on the planet almost, lost her husband. for what? so what we know is the country is playing politics for a long time on this hatred. we know this. it's easy for us to place it all on donald trump's shoulders. it's easy for us to place pittsburgh on his shoulders. it's easy for me to place charlottesville on his shoulder. it's easy for us to play el paso on his shoulders. this is us. and if we're going to get past this, we can't blame it on him. he's a manifestation of the ugliness that's in us. i have had the privilege of growing up in a tradition that didn't believe in the myths and the legends because we had to bear the brunt of them. either we're going to change, nicolle, or we're going to do this again and again and babies are going to have to grow up

without mothers and fathers, uncles and aunts, friends, while we try to convince white folk to finally leave behind a history that will maybe, maybe embrace a history that might set them free from being white. fight. fight. lord help us. >> i can't follow that. >> first off, beautifulfully sa. but i want to sub lament that a tiny bit. you're spot on. it is a political story that takes place in 2009, not racial or culture. it involves one of the early controversies of the obama administration. it says a lot to me about where we are now, which back then the department of homeland security under janet napolitano put out a study. the study said, warning, there's

a rise in right wing extremism and white nationalism. the study was relatively noncontroversial if you looked at it. there was danger. what was interesting is what happened in the aftermath, which was a huge you uproar among republicans, accusations of bias within dhs and most importantly from this conversation, the obama administration backed down and apologized. the reason i think this is an important data point in this story is we do not structurally have the institutions or the willpower to confront these things. if we back down in face of backlash when the data is on our side, we're not going to be able to deal with this stuff. if we have a congress that has to depend on one person in the senate to bring legislation to the floor in order to get gun control legislation passed, we do not have the structures to handle these types of issues. it may not be -- our complete history may be don't road we can

get through this but at this point we look at this and say wow, donald trump, you know, he's spurred a lot of this hatred and true, he has, he's the pied piper of this stuff. but this predates him. it's the inability to stand up for your own study at dhs that predates donald trump, the rise of the tea party not calling out what it was that predated donald trump. it was welcoming birtherism when trump was just part of it that predates donald trump. he's absolutely right. we need hard conversations about whether our political system is up for the challenges. >> i think it's not just about our political systems. and i agree with what both of you are saying. but to me this transcends ideology or policy. this is about fundamentally respecting other human beings in this nation. whether we're talking about ronald reagan or president obama, no president in history has treated latinos or people of color like this president, not even motive of aspiration to

include them and bring them in. one thing that's worrisome to me where we are as a country, latinos are the largest minority group in the country. in october around the time when trump was hyping up the national emergency and supposed threat of these caravans, back in okts, pugh did a survey and felt 46% of latinos felt it was very difficult just to exist as a latino in the united states. that was nearly a year ago. a majority of latinos say they're very pessimistic about this country's future. and if you look at the polls over the years, latinos were always economic times, whether well or poor, they were always optimistic. but things have drastically changed in this community and that's dangerous in this nation for the minority group. >> phil, your paper has an extraordinary body of reporting

from friday, both shootings unfolded over the weekend saturday and sunday. and almost like the background music -- i was updating on my phone, reading all of your paper's coverage. no donald trump, no donald trump. hour 24, no donald trump. hour 36, picture showed up of donald trump on instagram at a wedding at his, i don't know, hotel, house, government club, clubhouse whatever it is, i don't golf. what was he doing? >> that was a great question, nicolle. he went on friday afternoon to bedminster, new jersey, to his golf club and stayed secluded there the next 48 hours. as the shooting took place in ecel paso, according to photos on instagram, he was having dinner on the patio at a golf club. paid a visit to a wedding of a bride and groom apparently he did not know. but they were using the property.

he posed for pictures with the bridal power. he was apparently golfing because he was spotted hanging out in golf clothes with shorts, khaki t-shirts, smiling. all the while saying nothing to the american people. what's so interesting over the weekend there wasn't a call for him to be presidential and appear and act as consoler and chief. in part because whenever he's appeared to do so, it has not been effective. he struggles to display empathy and emotion and channel the grievances of these communities. this time he stayed quiet until this morning at the white house. >> phil rucker, your piece today is remarkable. one of the most important things written about his presidency. thank you for being with us to talk about it. after the break, straight talk from beto o'rouke. and the 2020 democratic candidates about the role the president's language played on the violence unfurling across this country.

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he's inciting racism and violence in this country. >> that's beto o'rouke speaking from the gut about what happened in his hometown of el paso this weekend. and politico notes, political reverberations are now being felt far and wide. political cosays, quote, back-to-back shootings shook up the presidential primary, elevating the profile of lower-tier candidates, reorienting the focus of the conte contest fusing the divisive issues of immigration, racism and gun control for the first time on the campaign trail. david jolly is still here. david, i have to start with you. i have had a keen interest in beto o'rouke's candidacy both in the senate and his presidential campaign because of what we just showed in that video. there's a wtf moment in this country every single day when you cover donald trump.

and if beto could carve out the wtf questions every day -- i have to say, he puts it back on us. anyone still asking a question about the role of the president is two steps behind. the train has left that station. i think you moved the conversation beyond it. what do we do? what do you think? >> i think for every democratic candidate, this is the opportunity to kind of view them in a very authentic moment, how they may lead the nation in a time of crisis and good for beto for being raw and honest in that moment. we focused on daytona, his contribution to the national narrative, but nicolle, i think that gives a pass to the broader republican party. we have to talk about that as well in this moment because it is their silence that normalized this escalation of this narrative across the country that trump continues to reinforce. it's their inaction on gun control, reasonable gun control measures. i include myself in that.

look, i tried to move the needle within the party and i failed. it's important in this moment to acknowledge it. i find myself today offering the same insight i did at the night of the parkland shooting a few hours from our home in florida, which is this, republicans will never do anything on gun control, nothing, ever. they won't. think about las vegas. they did nothing when 500 people were injured. the pulse nightclub, 50 killed. the question for the nation was, do we allow suspected terrorists to buy firearms? republicans did nothing. parkland, they did nothing. south carolina, knock. go to sandy hook in connecticut, nothing. jewish temple in pittsburgh, nothing. jewish temple in san diego, nothing. southerland springs, evangelical church in texas, nothing. now texas and ohio in the same weekend and all we get is silence. i say that because if this is the issue that forms your ideology as a voter the strength

to draw in this moment is to beat republicans, beat them. beat every single one of them. even the safe ones in the house, beat them. beat them in the senate. take back the senate. >> you take me away with your bluntness. but you're not wrong. no republican has ever been moved by any of those tragedies. >> they have not. they have not. look, notionally i gathered with the democrats after the house sit-in after pulse begging to form some sort of bipartisan in a moment of national crisis and our leaders couldn't be found. they went home and hid. and this is getting easier for me to say these days, republicans, they won't do anything. if you're a presidential democratic candidate right now who has the opportunity to win a pivotal senate race, drop out of the presidential race and do something for the party that will do something on this.

when the party finds their nominee, beat donald trump. beat him. get a change there. the last thing i will say, nicolle, to my former republican colleagues and republican voters, if you actually think the second amendment was envisioned to protect gun rights of this moment of national tragedy to allow carnage with weapons of war, if you think that's what the second amendment protected, you're fundamentally, constitutionally ignorant. if you know that's what it protects and you continue to do nothing, you're worse than constitutionally ignorant. you're a scoundrel. all i can ever think of in this moment when i see republicans do absolutely nothing, your time is coming. my mom likes to say the wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind increasingly and exceedingly fine. that's what has happened to a lost public careers in moments like this. >> my god, you all take my breath away today. jen, i want to show you some of the other democrats. >> we have a president of the united states who has embraced

white nationalism. >> he certainly has done everything the white nationalists wanted him to do. >> the white nationalist think he's a white nationalist and that's the crux of the problem. >> he's been emboldening white supremacists his entire presidency. >> i believe the president is fostering, fostering hate in this country. >> i have this idea you reap what you sow and he's sowing seeds of hatred and this harvest of hate violence we are seeing right now lies at his feet. >> so you see in beto's response why some people find him so inspiring. he said no, he is a white nationalist. not sides with them but willing 0 to say that. the other thing you saw in beto's response is why some people find him so inspiring is that is his home. he's a white man who lives in a very -- he is very much of of el

paso. he sees it and doesn't have to wait for another generation. this is probably why you see him speak with so much intensance about civil rights and be so angry in this moment and to call the press out on asking questions you know the answer to that are simply designed to play out a political game. let's see, is he willing to say the hardest thing possible about trump? that's what matters. that's the lane we're putting him in, a game about whether or not he can be the democratic nomination as opposed to the moment that is in our country. i have also seen the prem comment about how, well, nothing is going to change. just asserting that nothing's going to happen in the congress this time. what's different this time? nothing is different this time than putting on all of us to prove something will be different. it is in everybody's power to decide something is different, right? we don't have to accept the same

thing is going to happen over and over again. i just saw shannon watts, the woman who started calls to mom action here at nbc, and she is the woman i always thought would take -- i started a gun control group in 1999 after columbine. it did not succeed. but i thought -- >> yet. >> yet. but i thought it's going to take children being killed for something to change. and then it happened in new town. i worked for president obama then and nothing changed but moms demand action started there. now you see it becoming a voting issue. it's a voting issue in the presidential presidential primary, it will be this time. people will turn out and vote. if congress don't act this time, they will get voted out in 2020. >> jadavid jolly, i'm losing yo and i want to give you the last word. i will give you all of the last words on another day. but i want to get you on the record to something jen just said. i think there's something even

more enduring about asking questions you know the answer to. the other thing we do in the press is we answer the questions that we have no idea the answer. we have no idea nothing will change. we banned the talk of the base on this show because it tires me. maybe it won't be attacks from the squad but maybe it will be that orphaned baby with broken bones that eddie talked about, whose baby died on top of this, we don't know what we don't know. pick it up from there. >> i'll tell you what we do know is that the president has made this nation more divided and continues to foster hate and not healing. we know that. that verdict is in. that is a contract we can draw as voters to inform our decisions when it comes to 2020. on gun policy, democrats will distract you by focusing on video games and mental health and other issues. that is not the issue. the issue is easy access to guns. if having easy access to guns

would make us safer, we would be the safest in the world. but we have the most in the world and we're not safe today. if you're a voter this is your opportunity to make a change in 2020. to my republican friends, i would simply say fundamental rights in the constitution are not absolute rights. we put limits, regulate speech, all of those rights we hold precious are fundamental but not absolute. so too with the second amendment. it is an fundamental right but it is not an absolute right and you would do better by your country by recognizing that today. >> david jolly, you and eddie may my hair swell with pride to call both of you friends. thank you for your time and raw, raw emotion today. after the break, will we fight the war against domestic terror with the same vigor we combatted islamic terror with after 9/11? it's an open question, as most republicans stay silent today. differently?

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any experienced domestic terrorism investigator or prosecutor will tell you we need a domestic terrorism statute in this country. right now the patriot act defines what domestic terrorism is and what is qualified to call something domestic terrorism what is currently not a crime in this country. it could very easily, easily be turned into a statute, similar to the statutes we have that criminalize conducting terrorism on behalf of or support of a foreign power. and that would put our investigators on very different footing to be able to attack this problem. >> that was former acting fbi director andrew mccabe exposing a glaring problem in our how internal forces handle case of domestic terror. let's bring in to our conversation brian levin, director for the center and study of hate and extreme at

university of kaufl berkeley. i have seen you on tv and would love to get you to weigh in on this what former mccabe is talking about, a structural deficit with law enforcement not having the same tools to fight domestic terrorism, they had to fied isl fight radical terrorism after 9/11. your thoughts? >> yes. just weeks after our community was hit by a terror attack, as well as paris, i said why don't the jihadists represent the most extensive threat to the united states? second was far right white supremacy. i'm not talking about conservative people of goodwill. i'm talking about extreme folks. it switched. hold on, let the old guy but on his glasses. hold on a second. 2016 we had 65 streamist homicides according to our

center. three were white supremacists. 2017 we had 36 total. 13 white supremacists far right. last year, 22 all. all kinds of extremists, 17 -- 17 were white supremacists. guess what? the majority of them used long guns, overwhelming majority. last year of all of the extremists, 17 used firearms. 4 used i think vehicles. this year 2019, just compare with me, 2019, we already had with just white supremacy extremist killings, more than all of the extremist killings of all of last year. we have also seen in american seas, another of our exclusive findings and you can find it on prop 11 for free, five consecutive annual increases in america's largest cities, we have the steepest i incline than

23015. and one thing i think is interesting, listen to this, november 2016, election month, was the worst month for hate crime going back to 2002. that was research we did with jim nolan at west virginia university. additionally the day after election day was the worst day for hate crime. this is aggregated fbi data, by the way. that was the worst day going back to 2003. guess what the second-worst month was this decade? charlottesville month. you can see in our report day by day ticks. one other quick thing about the bully pull bit and this is why today's announcement was important. in december 2015, the worst month going back to the anti-immigrant periods, the era we aggregated with jim and my friend john at cal state.

and what did we see? we saw a spike 23% above the 300% spike we saw -- >> let me get frank figliuzzi in on this. that's a lot of numbers for a math-immune brain like mine. let me just add frank to the conversation. ly come back to you. frank, can you just talk about it's a crushing amount of data. sam made the smart point earlier we have to have government officials who will stand up and defend the data, the numbers don't lie but it was also pointed out over the weekend as with the cia fighting russia extremism with a president who of on seemed to row in a different direction, you may now have the fbi fighting white supremacy with a president that is doing things to inflame racial tensions. >> yeah, it doesn't help that the threat from within is now our greatest threat and the chief executive is not someone who seems to be throwing his

power and power of office behind resources budgeting and just the will to overcome this. the fbi has been ringing this bell for a while. they've been warning us. back in april, nicolle, they saw what was developing and actually internally created a special fusion cell to deal with hate crime and domestic terrorism. it's complicated. they brought together their intel, criminal, cyber, counterintelligence, counterterrorism resources all aimed at trying to get their hands around this. but what i hear the fbi saying is half of their terrorism cases are not domestic and they're making more domestic terrorism now than international terrorism cases, we've got a problem on our hands. and the laws are not -- the laws in terms of policy are not there to allow the fbi to deal with this. and the agents association recently came out almost unprecedented saying they don't have the rules in their tool kit to deal with this. if you change the religion of the he el paso shooter, make him a muslim, we have all kinds of

loss to deal with. he goes away for a long, long time. now you make him a white guy from texas and we don't know what to do with him. we got to change legislation e. policy and thinking. >> brian and frank, thank you for your time today. on the other side of the break, we will go back to the table and live to el paso. hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you.

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that all immigrants are rapists and criminals. there are so many strangers we welcome into our city right now because of this horrible tragedy. and every single one of them have said how beautiful and how welcoming this community is. and that's just who we are by nature. so the idea that this is ground zero for violence or the idea that mexican-americans are in any kind of way violent or criminals is just absurd. and so the first thing we need is to clean up the false rhetoric surrounding who we are and my community. >> georgina, we will do our part and we will give you time on this show any time you want to set the record straight. do you have anything you want to share with us about how your city -- i have only seen stories of resill yepes out of el paso. is there anything you want to

share with us? >> we have had so many blood drives and so many back-to-school supply drives and so many gatherings in the community to support one another, to hold each other's hands, to pray together, to mourn together, to serve together. and i don't know how to describe why we're resilient until we don't know how resilient we need to be until the moment presents itself. i will say i'm so very proud of my city and my colleagues and all of our education leaders and all of our schools and all of our campuses coming together, holding the community together, holding our students, holding our teachers together and supporting one another. it's -- it's a little bit of beauty inside this horrific tragedy. >> it's a whole lot of beauty inside this more terrific tragedy. georgina, please, please,

please. come back tomorrow or the next day and let us know how you're doing. thank you for spending time with us. eddie? . >> we faced two moments historically where we could be otherwise. reconstruction. we had to reconcile what we did in the constitution, what we failed. we tried to imagine ourselves differently. then we betrayed it. we had the civil rights movement of the mid-20th century. we tried to live up to the ideals, and we betrayed that. we are at an inflection point. this is not about politics. this is about who we are. and the question is will we live up to our history and betray it again or will we finally decide to be otherwise. >> i will say -- i've been thinking about the fact that trump was in the panhandle and someone said shoot them.

we have replayed that a bunch. the reason i think about it is because at this junk sure i don't think anyone reasonably predicts we can change trump's behavior. he is who is for better, and oftentimes, for worse. the more we go about changing his behavior, the more we spin the wheels. but we can change our reaction to his behavior. what i keep going back to with respect to that moment in the panhandle is this. no one, not an elected official stood up after the fact and said, no, that is not only in the panhandle. you can't do it here either. we should expect that. we should expect leaders to say, no, that is not who we are. we are better than that. we can expect better of the people around him. so that would be my one closing thought. . >> i agree with that. and i think we will see that we are better than this. i know for the latino community, latinos turned out in record numbers. our community was totally exhausted by the abuse heaped on

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