>> you had beto o'rourke say this will happen again and again and began. >> i've given up any predictions about the future, certainly optimistic ones when it comes to republicans. >> you know, no doubt this is an affliction point, not just for t t. the candidate who emerges is going to be the candidate who can show us the brightness, the light out of these extreme times. >> i want to thank all my guests. jacob soboroff and all of those guests there in el paso. that does it for this hour. thanks to watch. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" with my friend chuck todd starts now. ♪ ♪ welcome to wednesday. it is "meet the press daily." the president has just arrived

in el paso, texas, where he is visiting a community that is obviously still reeling from this weekend's horrific massacre after a gunman echoing some of the president's anti-immigrant warnings of a, quote, invasion killed 22 people at a local walmart including eight mexican citizens. and we have just learned that the president will be visiting families, victims, first responders and hospital staff at the university medical center at el paso. it's where he's headed right now. there have been some protests today in el paso after a few local leaders urged the president not to visit. we are going to speak with one of those leaders in just a moment. but we should note there were others in the community who have welcomed the president as well. but, folks, the bigger problem with this visit as we saw a little bit is that the president doesn't have a lot of credibility publicly as a moral leader on issues of hate, and he's lacking the credibility he needs to be a voice for unity for the country. ahead of this visit, the president decided to mock his political opponents like beto o'rourke who used to represent the el paso community and told them to, quote, be quiet. then just moments ago in an interview with my colleague,

jacob soboroff, o'rourke called the president a white supremacist. so there is that back and forth. the president also cast himself as somehow a victim of the new york times "reporting on his response to the mass shooting. he did that earlier today. and on his way to visit dayton in el paso, he went after critics again on a day he's supposed to be mourning with victims but he went after critic who's say his ret rim is emboldening white supremest anger. but the president decided to be quick to note that the gunman, like some democrats. take a listen. >> so my critics are political people. they are trying to make points. in many cases they are running for president and they're very low in the polls. a couple of them in particular, very low in the polls. if you look at dayton, that was

a person who supported, i guess you would say, bernie sanders, i understood, antifa, i understood, elizabeth warren, i understood, had nothing to do with president trump. >> we should also note that the president still is not said anything to reassure hispanics in texas or anywhere for that matter that they're safe or they're wanted in this country. and you don't want to know why he hasn't done that, the uncomfortable question you have to ask is it because one of the driving themes surrounding the president's election campaign is hispanic immigration. his visit today was entirely behind closed doors. perhaps it's a remark from his advisers from the off the cuff remarks at the south lawn. we don't know whether we're hear from dayton. but we have heard from him on twitter where he's basically

deciding to practice politics today. he claims they mischaracterized his visit with victims in dayton when they spoke at a press conference this afternoon. let's turn to a couple of our msnbc news correspondent who are in el paso. jacob soboroff has been covering there. kristen welker is traveling with the president. so, kristen, i want to start with you. i guess we shouldn't be surprised that the president decided to use social media to engage in politics on a day where you would assume the white house wanted to try to have the high ground. >> reporter: chuck, that's right. and i just lost the last part of your question. so let me just give you a sense of what we have witnessed here, and, really, the remarkable b k backdrop to all of this, part of what you just mapped out which is the fact that a number of local leaders have said that the president is not welcome.

the fact that president trump has essentially been escalating his feuds with political rivals in between stops really stepping on what started out as a message of unity earlier this week when he addressed the nation, when he said it was critical that the nation speak with one voice to counter bigotry, to counter white supremacy. i've been talking to people who are gathered here, the memorial is set up right behind me, chuck. i've been asking people if they want the president to visit today. i can tell you it has been very mixed. some of the people here say, look, he's the president, they want to hear what he has to. saturday other people say they have mixed emotions about it. i spoke with one man, chuck, who was in the walmart when that shooting erupted, and he said he doesn't think the president should be here today because his words have been so hurtful to the latino community. i asked him if an apology would help. and this man said, no, that it's just too late, they are not going to forget, and it's too late to forgive. so a lot of raw emotion is

present. trump touches down here. there was one unifying theme, and that is almost everyone i have spoken to says they want action from this president, they want him to take some type of action to try to limit guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them and to try to help people who are suffering from mental health problems, chuck. >> and i saw that the white house staff has engaged in some back and forths too with various, the president's directive social media, dan scavino. do they have any regrets about being as aggressive in their political, on politics today, you know, they can -- they could claim, yeah, that others are doing it, too. but do they have an explanation why they decided to do this on a day when they wanted the story to be the president mourning with victims? >> reporter: this is, chuck, when you see that this is a white house that's really divided. you have the president, you have dan scavino as you just

mentioned taking new aim at the mayor of dayton. it's not entirely clear why she held a press conference. she talked about the fact that she had concerns that, yes, this could happen in another american city if there weren't stiffer laws pass. but then his white house press secretary really tried to tamp down some of those tensions, tried to turn the page on the fact that he was stepping on his own message, chuck. >> well, you're right. that is usually -- it does seem as if there's people that are heeding what the president wants to say and perhaps others that are wishing the president would say other things. kristen welker, thank you. let me move over to jacob soboroff who's been with some of these community protesters. and, jacob, this is one of those situations it feels like, well, if the president abided by the wishes of not coming, he'd probably be getting more

criticism for not coming. >> reporter: it's possible, chuck. but the reality is on the ground, i mean, there is a large group doesn't do it justice. the majority of people that i have spoken with, hundreds of people here, the folks that beto o'rourke is still saying good-bye to right now were insistent that the president of the united states was not welcomed here. and i think you can't just look at it today in the wake of the shooting that killed 22 people here. you have to look at it in its totality. the president has long been in this adversarial relationship with el paso. he only got -- politics should stay out of it today, but the fact of the matter is he only got 20 something percent of the vote in el paso. the residents of this city -- you and i have talked about this before. the residents of the city see a different city than as the one described by the united states. they see one of the safest big cities in the country. they say a place that is warm anding about withing. that's not filled with an invasion or an infestation or people that should go back to where they came from.

they see a community that is inextricably linked with the other side of the border. in fact if you wanted to separate mexican and american culture, you couldn't do it here. 85% of the residents of el paso are latino. so when beto o'rourke said to me today that he believes the president of the united states is a white supremacist, that is based in the feelings of not just him but of the people of the ground here, the way they interpret the way the president talks about them, whether or not it's an ex-splisit and direction. >> how are other texas leaders being received in the community? the governor in particular, senator cornyn, senator cruz? >> reporter: well, they're with the president today. you know, the folks that are the president's political allies are staying close by his side today. and i think that there is a realization of that, at least here at this rally, with largely a democratic congressional delegation that was out here. there's certainly no love for the republican delegation here.

the folks that i'm with want to hear about is calling out existing gun laws, calling for members of congress to go back and be in session. and that's certainly not what you're hearing from the republican delegation. >> jacob soboroff on the ground there in el paso for us. jacob, thank you very much. joining me now sticking in el paso is the el paso county commissioner, david stout. mr. stout, thank you for come on. we all here have been grieving with your community over the last few days. you are somebody that thought the president shouldn't come. he's there now. what role do you want him to play now that he's there? >> you know, i'm not sure if he's going to say much to the public or, you know, i'm not sure what he's going to do. i've heard that he is possibly going to go to the university medical center, which is a county hospital. i think that this is just a big political dog and pony show. it's just going to be a distraction, you know. but it would be nice for him to

apologize to this community, i think, first off, for all of the negative things that he has said about folks that live in this community and folks that look like the people that live in this community. >> the anger that you and others in the community have at the president is more than just -- i mean, this weekend is a tragic result i think of some of the concerns you've had before. but explain that, explain the anger that was there before this weekend. >> well, yeah. i mean, regardless of what happened here on saturday, you know, the president, since he has been in office and before has, you know, used some pretty negative rhetoric and made some pretty negative declaration statements about hispanic folks. he started by calling mexicans rapists and murderers in his campaign. he has questioned the

credibility of a federal judge just because he has mexican descent. he's tweeted so many times talking about invasion, calling people animals, you know, just dehumanizing hispanic people. so regardless of what happened here this weekend, there is still an issue with him being here. >> a lot of texas republican leaders are with the president right now. they have used different language than the president has. have they been helpful to the community? do you need more, what has and hasn't happened for your community in the -- that you're looking for either from the state or from the federal government? >> yeah. i mean, we need more. we need -- our republican leadership in this state to denounce white supremacy, to denounce hate, to denounce racism. and if they've done it, keep doing it. but don't just let those words be hollow. let's take some action. maybe the governor needs to call a special session.

there are a number of pieces of legislation that are o'dellgation. senator rodriguez here in el paso, you know, put on the table, and they didn't get even a hearing. you know. i was invited to eat lunch with john cornyn earlier today, it didn't end up working out. but one thing that i would have told him, you know what, maybe one thing you all can do is instead of us having to go through a process of applying for grants to reimburse us for some of the things that we're spending on as we are going through this tragedy, maybe you can just make it easier and send those resources our way. you know, those are some of the things that they can do if they really want to support this community. i think being with president trump is a bad decision on their behalf. they should be with the community and doing something to help us out. >> so, the president has not said anything to hispanics

specifically who were targeted by this gunman. whether his words would resonate or not what, do you want to hear from him? he has not said anything to reassure hispanic-americans that they're wanted here, that it's all part of the same america. what do you want him to say even if his words may ring hollow to most? >> you know, i want him to say that he takes what he has said back. i want him to say that he is sorry. i want him to say that he understands that he is a person of influence and that sometimes when people in his positions say things, it has an impact on people. i think we saw the manifesto that the man who perpetrated these crimes wrote, and it attracts very closely a lot of the rhetoric and a lot of the statements that trump and his supporters have made. so an apology and acknowledgment of the errors that he has made. and then, you know, a clear

statement to say we are going to help you in el paso, we are going to start looking at legislation that is going to keep this from happening in the future. >> david stout on the el paso city commission, thanks for coming on. and, again, we all agree with you. >> my pleasure. >> in the el paso community. still to come, the battle against white supremacy in america from carrying torches in charlottesville to writing racist screeds online, how do we combat this growing threat, and who is it that's behind it? plus, a blistering speech from joe biden today, using the president of fanning the flames of white supremacy. we know the president watched. but here's biden's response to the president calling his speech boring. >> how would you respond to the president? >> to get a life. for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease, stelara® works differently. studies showed relief and remission,

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well, i do agree, but i think we have toned it down. we've been getting hit left and right from everybody. i think my rhetoric, it brings people together. >> welcome back. that was president trump responding to a couple of questions about his rhetoric this morning before he left for dayton and el paso. here's our panel for today. juana summers, theresa kumar, howard feinman, and john podhoritz. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> maria, let me start with you. you heard a fellow el paso native there, and he said he didn't want to see the president there. this is one of those occasions where it feels like -- actually,

the white house probably -- it was probably one of those things that on one hand maybe it would be better if they didn't go. >> my family's not from el paso. my in laws recently moved and have lived there for 15 years and i've seen and become part of the community every time i go. >> fair enough. but we spent the summer there with my kids and it's a beautiful community. i think the challenge, and this is what, howard, you and i were discussing, is that the challenges of el paso is an apolitical city. it lives in a bubble because it doesn't have crime. it doesn't have -- and so all of a sudden the wool has been pulled over their -- under their eyes. i am doing this very poorly because it's actually very hard to see a community that was so innocent just almost a week ago come face-to-face with what hate looks line. when we would talk about the site, they just weren't paying attention about politics. and seeing the devastation and the president even being able to

admit that he may have had a little bit to do with this tragedy. someone had to physically get in a car from dallas. it's not like dallas doesn't have brown neighborhoods. instead they decided to get in a car and drive ten hours to one of the safest cities in the country that's 85% hispanic to send a clear message to all of us that none of us are safe. >> john, none of this with the president today is surprising. it was just sort of he's going to undermine whatever he's doing today. the question was how and when. turned out to be in his twitter feed in between traveling, never mind at the beginning. as we were saying he never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity, right? he swings at every pitch, whatever you want to say. he sees everything this way. you know, i know it's like we know this is a predictable behavior, but at what point does it become just intolerable for some on the right? >> i don't think it will ever become intolerable for people on the right unless he loses the election in which case people

will suddenly decide that it was intolerable all along. you know, the past three, four, five presidents, i don't want to sound sort of cynical about this, but these were like easy lay-up homerun events, presidential -- >> perception wise, i know what you mean. >> everybody hit it out of the park. clinton in oklahoma city, bush after 9/11, obama after the gabrielle gifford shooting in that gym. this is not a hard challenge for a conventional president to give a beautiful speech, to visit with the wounded and grieving, to say stuff that sort of, you know, helps. it's not -- this is what we look to, presidents hire speech writers and they do this. he is so deeply uncomfortable with the act of being a leader in the sense of being somebody

who tries to represent the best of the country. he's a strong leader. he's a tough leader. he's a leader, leader. but this is so outside of his comfort zone that -- i mean, you can see him visibly tense every time he has to do anything to talk about this. and, you know, this is a moment of great political peril for him actually. >> and that's what i think, juana. i don't think they fully appreciate. i think he thinks at this point he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and he wouldn't lose his base. somebody said that once. [ laughter ] he does seem to think this. this does feel as if, look, you know, we keep saying is this the tipping point, is this the tipping point? this is a big moment. >> it is a big moment. to john's point, this strikes me as so different than how we've seen past presidents handle

these. typically you'd see a president go to the community that's been stricken by this tragedy, they would give some sort of speech to reassure the public, to reaffirm the nation's confidence. i think the tricky thing here though is that in many ways this president can't do that, particularly in el paso because of the backdrop. this is a place where as theresa notes, low crime, but a place where haekts to restrict immigration. >> he's used the city as a backdrop to push -- >> he has. so there is not a lot of good will for him there. he can't do that there. and i don't know if we have frankly heard this president or frankly ever will speak to the culpability that is mirrored in many ways in the racist screed that we saw who drove down to el paso and inflicted this pain on this community. >> and something we made mention at the top, you specifically made mention, he has not given a

single word of to the hispanic community. like, you know what, we're with you, we're all one. americans are americans. there hasn't been that, and it's crucial, it's crucial for a non-hispanic leader to do this in this moment. it could actually have an impact. >> well, first of all, it has nothing to do with his personal make-up or psychology, sbochdget this is his politics. -- >> so you think it's a political decision. >> he came down the escalator and called mexicans rapists and criminals. his entire entry onto the stage was a canonade of attack of people different from him. this is his whole campaign. this is his whole public persona. this has been his public persona from the first time he dabbed in politics. he can't suddenly turn around and be mr. rogers. he can't do it. he doesn't want to do it. he knows politically he can't do

it. the moment he starts apologizing is a moment that the whole scheme unravels. he's stuck with it, and i think it's a tremendous opportunity for the democrats. donald trump cannot run a morning in america re-election campaign. the possibility for uplift, the possibility for optimism lies with the democrats. and oddly enough and sadly enough, el paso gives them a chance to do it. if i were still writing cover stories for the old "newsweek," i believe this is a pivotal moment because you're talking about 60 million people, 32 million of whom are voter eligible. you're talking about putting texas in play, you're talking about, i think, it's also funny that a guy who doesn't seem to care whether people think he's honest or not, now is in a moment where he can't be honest because if he tries to be honest, assuming there's anything in there to be honest\nobody will believe it. >>. >> but i think that with --

paul, part of the conversation we have, we always assume that the reason that this tragedy happened was because of his rhetoric. but he has also made policy against the latino community. right now as he is landing in el paso, he has just had a raid in mississippi on one of the largest food plants in mississippi, 628 people -- >> thank you for bringing this up. >> this is real. it's an insult on the latino community, and we have to stop mincing words of what is happening. >> but can i just tell you this story is really frustrating to me is why isn't the story about these food companies that are not -- that are trying to get around labor laws that are trying to pay people under the table, probably not paying these immigrants a fair wage. like, the entire premise of how this has gone about, it's like you're punishing the folks who are not committing the -- the people committing the problem here are these food plant owners. >> chuck, there is not -- >> that's what bernie says.

>> there is not an american in our country that is not complicit in the trade of undocumented labor. there is not one, whether it is someone who cleans you're home and you're not paying them. let's be very clear, and this idea that we can all of a sudden sweep under the rug and we don't want to give them access, we don't want to give enfranchisement, that actually creates a second-class citizen. we've already lived that. it's unacceptable. >> this whole thing about, and it's like they're making -- they're punishing these folks who are working, and the people not getting punished here are the ones that are probably not -- >> undocumented immigrants pay $12 billion into our ss. >> and how many do you think are getting paid a living wage? >> and that's more than the president has paid in taxes. >> this is one we can keep going. i've already run over. everybody is sticking around. juana, maria, theresa, john.

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not an isolated incident. after the president warned of caravans, you had somebody go into the tree of life synagogue in pittsburg warning of caravans. you had the mosque in victoria, texas, burn to the ground on the day that trump signed his executive order seeking to ban muslim travel to the united states. so, there are very real consequences to his words, to his tweets, to the racism. >> welcome back. that was beto o'rourke in the last hour talking about our own jacob soboroff, juana, mar ia, john, and howard are back. john, let me start with you. you know, a week ago, democrats were at each other's throats. and now they all are on the same message. it's remarkable. i mean, you look at it. biden, bullock, booker, beto, and other candidates not with a b in their name. >> what about cs and ds. [ laughter ] >> exactly. everybody is on the same message on the democratic field all of a sudden focusing on one man, one

person, one moment. and, trump, that's a pretty big turn of events sky that to me is a reminder of how this is a shaky moment for the president. it has united democrats against him. >> joe biden's speech this afternoon was i think pretty probably the best speech he's ever given, and it shows -- >> you don't throw compliments out to joe biden really often. >> i really don't. it was a killer of a speech. and one of the ways in which it had real force was that it was biden basically elevating himself to the president's level saying as a former vice president of the united states i'm going to give you a tour of american history in which we have spent our time, we have great ideals, we always fall short of our ideals, it's a struggle, it's a daily struggle, it's a civilizational struggle, and you are not the man for this moment. that is a very powerful message.

it's very good for biden not to -- i don't want to, like, play politics this week, but it's very good for biden in this sense which is he's leading in the polls, there have been four debates and he's at 33% and all that. at some point he really is, unless somebody starts rising to challenge him, he is the standard bearer of the democratic party. and that is exactly, again, trump's weak spot. like that's where he can't play. >> you know, juana, it is -- i mean, this is the entire reason joe biden decided to run was essentially because he believed trump had failed as a moral leader, right? and here is the moment that basically animates the candidacy of joe biden. so you would hope that he had this speech ready. clearly he did. >> absolutely. it was so clear that charlottesville was kind of that flick of the switch for the former vice president. and i think that his speech

today really encapsulated that. he really did elevate himself, as john said, to the level of the president. but i also like the speech that cory booker gave today. >> and let's remember where he was, too. tell people where he was. >> he was at mother emmanuel ame church, the site of that horrific killing. and one of two sitting african-american democrats who is the former mayor of newark. and, again, i don't want to get too political either, but i cover these guys and he is someone who has been looking for a moment and he's someone who has talked about needing to bring people together. you really heard all of those desperate themes come together in a powerful way that i think shouldn't get lost in the conversation. >> you know, it's interesting, marie, theresa, is the fact that i throw beto in here too. beto, booker, and biden all believed their candidacy was about trump. right? that was the reason they were going in. they were going to represent the moral, provide the moral clarity, beto in a generational

front, booker in this post-racial, heck, i can do this front, and biden with the sort of -- and in some ways it's pointing out the flaws of the american story actually then helped biden with his own baggage that he's been dealing with. >> and the journey that we all take whether we're talking from a historical perspective or our own. but we have to underscore the reason that the president is not the man for the moment is because he made this moment. he is the one that has got us here, whether we're talking about the insecurities that we're facing increasingly on international, you know, international affairs or here. like, he is singularly the one responsible. >> sorry. >> no. i know, but to bring it back to this. it does feel as if this moment, if biden couldn't answer the call this moment, he wasn't going to answer it.

he should've met this moment. >> he did. and to tribute of him and his campaign, before this thing started for joe biden, they thought this through. he opened his campaign with charlottesville. the opening ad, the opening theme. and, yes, the autopsy that the republicans did on themselves after 2012 and said -- >> they may need to dust it off in 2021. we'll find out. >> we've got to get above all latinos. we've got to get them from all over the country. don't forget george w. bush by some estimates won about 40% of that vote in 2004. since then it's been all backwards for the republicans. and now i think they're in deep peril. i mean, if i were writing a big story about the pivot, this would be it. >> you know, i want you to remind people what november is. it's the 25th anniversary of

perhaps the before donald trump, the most important moment in the modern hispanic political movement. >> 25 years ago, it was the proposition 187. it was pete wilson was running for office. and the way he was going to start and solidify california to his way to the white house was to create and become the architect of the most erroneous anti-immigrant rhetoric -- excuse me, legislation, through a ballot initiative and he won, but he didn't. >> i think it's important to note howard mentioned that george w. bush got 40% of the vote. but trump did not lose votes from romney. romney got about 29%, trump got about 29%. people should not get over their skis imagining that the voting block that we call hispanic is unitary. >> but don't forget it's the unregistered. i think what's out there is the

unregistered hispanic vote, marie theresa's entire organization. >> for the democrats, there's only two marketplaces that they can go to. it's going to be roughly 12 million unregistered young people. one out of six were young people. there's 15 million people that are unregistered latinos, 10 million of them who are young people. >> that's what this could be that moment. we shall see. all right. thank you all. much appreciated. up ahead, how do we fight white supremacy in america? i'm going to talk to someone who talked about talked about (dramatic music) and you're saving money, because you bundled home and auto. sarah, get in the house. we're all here for you. all: all day, all night.

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because of the answer to the question, do racism and white supremacy exist is yes, then the real question isn't who is or isn't a racist. but who is and isn't doing something about it. because there's no neutrality in this fight. you are either an agent of justice or you are contributing to the problem. >> welcome back. as we said earlier, cory booker was in charleston, south carolina at the church where a gunman gunned down black worshippers. one of the oldest and charge r

largest neo-nazi hate sites on the internet he talked about. my next guest met derek black a former white nationalist walked away from the ideology. the author of rising out of hatred, derek black's story growing up as a white supremacist and how he found his way out. eli, welcome to the show. let me start with how much, give a sense of how what kind of problem this is on the internet and how much this is a growing issue. >> it's a massive problem. unfortunately, it's not just a massive problem on the internet as we're seeing increasingly. i think sometimes in this country, our primarily problem has been we lie 0 to ourselves who we are and have been as a country. it's comforting to think of

these terrorists, these white supremacist terrorists as lone wolves, acting as extremists on their own. the truth is, many of these ideas and their men fes toes, many of the ideas we sometimes hear echoed in the places of power in our country are widely held beliefs throughout large portions of america. that's the big thing we need to confront to begin to move past it. >> tucker carlson, sort of implied that this idea of white supreme sill where there's somehow it's a hoax of some sort. david duke took his words already and says that's right. he's right. i mean, explain just the power of that exchange and what that does to normalize the idea of white supremacy and white nationalism. >> i think the idea that white supreme sill is a hoax is factually ridiculous on its

face. white supreme sill still info informed much of what our country in is in this moment, white people having power in the country, more share of wealth and white people being privileged in almost every possible way. white supremacy is the world we're all existing in. that needs first to be acknowledged and then you have a group of white nationalists as they call themselves who are constantly activating to try to further the culture of white supremacy that has been such a part of this country. that is a smaller group of people taunging to each otheren the internet and on podcasts. but they're acting out of at instinct that is a much more widely held thing in this country, powerful enough to get people elected. >> with isis, there's as al baghdadi that was sort of the head recruiter, if you will.

aqap. a recruiter for al qaeda out there. is there a centralization to this or is this a little more disparate? >> i think one of the things that makes it so difficult to fight and confront is that it's really insidious and pretty diffuse. within white nationalism, you have different factions. people who consider themselves more academic racists, like richard spencer who say they aren't pushing violence but who organize conference abc things like that. then you have people who actively want to create violence and look to people like dylann roof or other mass shooters as their icons in this movement. i think the most troubling thing like the unifying thing for all those people, if you spend time on gab or 8chan or storm front, these places where they spooek speak to each other, the people they're going back to for inspiration, the quotes they're

resharing are quotes from people like thomas jefferson or george washington who was referenced earlier in this segment. these white nationalist ideas are a part of what we've been. that's their powerful fuel and furthering their actions. >> you have spent time with how people got out. are these all young white men that get recruited here? it feels like there is a group that seems susceptible. >> for sure. and it's not different than group that's susceptible, frankly, for isis or other terrorist and extremist groups. these are mostly white disaffected young men who are feeling badly about the way their lives are going for many reasons and these white nationalist groups and this idea ol kind of comes in and almost absolves them of their own blame in how their lives are going and saying this is not happening because of you but because of

invaders coming across the border or people of color need to go back to some other place. that's a powerful thing to offer somebody who feels disempowered. >> eli saslow, it's a tremendous book. unfortunately, you're going to be covering this story a lot more. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press" daily. listen to the podcast. "the beat with ari melber"" starts right now. >> thanks to you at home for joining us. several important stories tonight and a fact check on a political effort to minimize white supremacy in america. we begin with this controversy greeting the president. at this hour, donald trump's in el paso visiting victims of this weekend's deadly shooting, the second of two grieving cities that he visited today. in both, huge outcries from many people, a plea that donald trump simply stay away so they