like us on facebook.com/politics nation and follow ous on twitter. @politics nation. up next "meet the press" with can chuck todd. this sunday a nation on edge as two communities mourn. >> we need heal. we need love one another again. >> president trump lashing out at his critics. >> they're very dishonest people and that's why i think he got zero per sent. >> and guns, race and white supremacy. >> he's a big hit with white supremacists. >> this is white nationalism. will this lead to new legislation on guns. >> mitch mcconnell's getting a little bit worried. my view, he ought to be a lot worried. and after the largest attack

on latino americans in history, hundreds in workplace immigration raids. my guest this morning acting homeland security secretary. also after jeffrey epstein accused of sex trafficking dies in federal custody, there are new kegzs for trump's justice department. and my on-the-trail interview with kamala harris on the president and on her campaign. >> there is some confusion about where you are. finally all eyes on iowa. >> iowa democrats. >> 22 presidential candidates blitz the caucus state. joining me are kristen welker and maria teresa kumar president of voterer latino oand robert kos costa, national political reporter.

from nbc news in washington the longest running news eshoin history, this is "meet the press." with chuck todd. >> as the nation grapples once again with our gun culture, this feels deeper and a bit rawer. we head to the country to do what presidents have done in the past solace and haling and remind us that the american story travels on the arc that bends towards justice. instead a teleprompter message of unity and spent the week attacking his foes. calling the mayor's nusz conference a fraud and castro make as fool of himself every time he opens his mouth and telling baiteto o'rourke of el paso, texas to be quiet. and comparing his side to a crowd size at a hospital. andmany calling him a white supremacist. six and a half years after

charlottesville what does happen now? will a bill strengthening background checks bring momentum? or twhil grid lock play out again? and fully engage in addressing domestic terrorism, particularly the links to white supremacy ideology? just this week from vegas to winder park, florida arrests were made after domestic terror threats. only a president can lead the conversation. the problem? president who has wielded it is stoking it. >> we need meaningful background checks so that sick people don't get guns. >> reporter: president trump under political pressure after mass shootings in el paso oand dayton is promising new gun regulation. >> we'll see where the nra will be. but we have to have meaningful background checks. >> reporter: after las vegas. >> we'll be talking about gun laws. . >> reporter: after parkland.

>> we'll do background checks. >> reporter: in the end they failed to support background check legislation. >> why is now different? >> time goes by. i don't think i'm different but i think the senate is different. i think other people in the house are different. >> reporter: but a spokesperson for mitch mcconnell says he has not yet endorsed any legislation. that's after push back for these comments thursday. >> but what we can't do is fail to pass something. by, by just locking up and failing to pass, that's unacceptable. >> the only thing a new law would do is drive a wedge between trump and his voters and the nra. >> reporter: red flag laws which identify extreme risk individuals and allah family and law enforcement to intervene to temporarily remove their guns have broad public support. 89% americans including 84% of arepublicans support background checks at gun shows or other private sales.

>> president trump wants to have everything both ways. he wants to say oh, yes, i could support changes on gun safety and then say but let's be sure to bow that nra. >> and blaming him for stoking hatred. >> this is white nationalism, white supremacy. >> he is a big hit with white supremacists. >> is the president white supremacist? >> he is. >> i think it's a disgrace and shows how desperate democrats are. >> reporter: they point to the rhetoric the month bebefore the shooter targeted 22 people. >> it is an invase, you know that. invasion invasion. invasion. >> the same day president trump visited el paso ice raided seven food processing plants in mississippi arresting about 680 undocumented workers. >> my dad didn't do nothing.

he's not a criminal. >> reporter: but federal authorities have yet to announce charges against the companies themselves. >> this serves as a very good deterrent. if people come in illegally, they're going out. >> and joining me is the acting secretary of homeland security. welcome >> good to see you. >> let me start with the raids in mississippi. they were followed closely by the violence in el paso. many hispanic communities just not feeling safe, tremendous fear, boston globe, hispanics congregates saying they're scared. i understand the raids were planned for some time. was there any thought at postponing it, simply the timing? >> let me start with the community in el paso. that's our community. there's 4,000 families there protecting the border. they're primarily hispanic.

so this is an attack on us, on our community and something we responded to operationally. we need be clear. it was hate, domestic terrorism and it's our responsibility to do more to address it. in terms of the ice operations, these are part of their daily cycle. something like this has been planned for over a year. this is a criminal investigation with 14 federal warrants issued by a judge and ice had to follow through. >> did you know this raid was going to han in advance? were you informed of this? >> so the president doesn't run law enforcement operations. e i was informed of it. >> i can know you want to be sensitive of it. was there any thought? >> so these employers are exploiting undocumented workers. that means they're just ignoring the law entirely and what they do.

that's why a judge gave oswarrant to go after them this is the middle of an ongoing criminal investigation and weects pect to go forward with charges. >> it's interesting you talked about employers. employees were theeenly ones arrested. sdpril >> it's an ongoing criminal investigation. >> look, this is what ice -- this is what the website says. work force enforcement on ice's, site. ice will obtain indictments, criminal arrests ore search warrants to target the employer before arresting employees at a targeted work site. this looks like the opposite. you arrested them ployees, about half have been released perhappens because they work here reegally.

legally. we had law enforcement tell us they couldn't tell us which companies were targeted. >> and we have the employers and names we're targeting. we just finished an investigation similar in tennessee. over with with150 arrests. and we have an employer with a year and a half sentence. this case will be pursued. >> i mean 600 agents drawn from all parlts of the country. you've said the system is stressed. targeting nonviolent undocumented people, is that the priority? isn shouldn't it be the criminals? what evidence these people were harming society? >> the priority is our border crisis and the threat -- >> mississippi is not on the

boarder. >> so 75%er are from recent border enterants. this is the smaller part of the group. but you have a balanced enforcement strategy. you have to secure the boarder. but we have to have interior enforcement to stop this incentive. this work opportunity that we have in the u.s. that employers are exploiting. >> the action targeted the employee, not emploier. the five companies -- in fact they claim innocence in all of this. they claim they follow the law. it's clear they're not. this is one of those things that's an open secret. food processing plants in this country don't work without undocumented labor. >> again a criminal investigation of the employers skirting our laws.

when you do an operation at a work site, you can't ignore the people that are there. over 200 had a criminal record in the u.s. >> howmany have green cards and were here legally? >> i can get you that. i dont have any information they had green cards. they were all taken and processed. you had a lot oof sympathetic video. ice took great pains to make sure there were no child dependent care issues. 32 of the arrestees were released on site that plant. another 200 sa another 270 released within the first day, for humanitarian reasons, including child care. fons available to call and kids j make arrangements. >> you say it's done with

sensitivity and there wasn't a warning. there wasn't any warning was people would flee. why not try to keep family units? why not get the schools the volved so they're not caught by surprise? >> we did have ice agents at each of the schools. >> but the schools didn't know anything. >> the targets of of that operation, could destroy evidence, there could be lots of different reactions. you have to do it with the appropriate protections. there was a report this week that your department, and i don't know if the folks currently that department or previous homeland security folks but there was a headline that white house rebuffed attempts by dhs to make combatting domestic terrorism as a focuses.

>> i can tell you for the first time prioors its domestic terrorism and specifically called out racially-motivated extremism. our analysis division has increased dramatically. hundreds last year. 150% increase. those reports are getting greater fedealt and review by our state and local partners. we've been after this problem for several years at dhs. >> i believe that but is dhs getting all the support they're asking for? >> i'm getting all the support i've ked for. we're looking at what we can takes a an augancy. our cyber security is doing hundreds of training reaching 10 oz of thousands. the world capability to understand mass attacks on public spaces. and all the indicators with a whole community effort we can identify these individuals up front.

they always show signs of concern and we're out there training, working with state and local are sponders. we're going to increase that effort. >> more victims than international terrorism. is it fair to say is dhs, you were told to worry about international terrorism first. is it fair that your priority needs to be domestic terrorism? is that a greater fear than domestic terrorism? >> remember department of justice and the fbi are the lead for domestic terrorism and preventions. most of the operational capacity is focussed on order and international issues but our ability to provide that prevention awareness and response capability, that's where year emphasizing our effort. not only u.s. secret service but fema. >> i want to go back to the mississippi raid one more time. given the emotions of the country right now.

in hindsight do you wish this raid didn't happen this week? >> the timing was unfortunate. >> and by the way if you're offered the job permanently, would you accept it? >> we're focussed tackling problems and the challenges at the border have been largely addressed thanks to the supplemental funding we've received. we're down 75% of people in custody. kids are not -- >> do you want your old job or this job? >> u.s. customs border is my home and dream job. but i'm honored to serve in this role. >> would you take permanently? >> i'm honored to serve and trying to solve problems. >> is it fair to say i can say you didn't answerer? >> that's fair. thank you. and finally to sioux city,

iowa with kamala harris. i asked her if labelling the president a white supremacist matters. >> i think it over looks the fact of the truth about the history of our country and where we are, which is we have to speak truth. racism is real in this country. it wasfore he was elected. it will be after. anti-semitism, islamaphobia. these issues are real and we have to speak truth. and certainly we must point out and never condone anyone who uses their power in a way that fans it. but the reality is that these are form oz of hate that are not new to our country. which have in the history of our country taken lethal proportion and still today take on lethal proportion and i think the question has to be how are we going to speak trulgt about the history and address it? and i look at what's happening now, chuck, just most recently

with the announcement of the raids from months ago muchless what happened in el paso to the most recent raid where hundreds of people were picked up,many released because they probably shouldn't have been picked up in the first place. people are afraid. >> do you think hispanics feel targeted? >> i do. >> between el paso and this ice raid? >> and this president's rhetoric. >> could he say anything to reassure hispanic americans? >> i don't think it would be authentic if he did. judge me by my actions not my words and his actions have been to divide too, villify, to do what is contrary to who we are as americans which to say it's us verses them as opposed to a president who uses the power of that microphone in a way that is about unifying and lifting up as opposed to beating down.

this president beats people down and i will tell you it's a sign of a coward. >> how do you strike that balance of of hitting him but still trying to win over some of his supporters? ultimately i know you do want to winover some supporters. >> i want to earn every american's vote. >> you used a phrase before the 2016 campaign, we're going to look ourselves in the mirrorer. >> and i saiden the and today this is an inflection moment in the history of our country. this is a moment in time where we must look in the mirror and ask a question, who are we? and i think part of the answerer to that question is we are better than this. >> but what did we say in 2016? >> there are people who voted for him for a variety of reason and a lot of its to the do with the promises he made which he's not delivered on because they

were false. he came in saying he was going to help working families from farmers to ought eoworkers. >> believe it or not law enforcement told our -- told us that they had to be intentionally vague about the comp ans that were quote raided. explain to me. you're a prosecutor. why were the workers targeted and not the companies? why did the whiev cofive compan to say? is there something i'm missing? >> no. and i don't know why they did what they did. i don't know why they decided to do it right after el paso when a whole community of people -- >> if they hired people that weren't citizens, they're the ones in the wrong? >> yes, of course. m ployers have to do whatever is required by law but there's another point here, chuck.

which is this administration has directed dhs to conduct these raids as part of what i believe is this administration's campaign of terror. which is to make whole populations of people afraid to go to work, children are afraid to go to school for fear when they come ohome their parents won't be there. >> you've spoken as racism as a national security issue. been involved in the russia investigation and you've said that russia targeting us on race proves that our racial it have a national security issue. >> russia interfered, regardless of what trump says. listen on the intelligence community. >> should we label russia a state-sponsored terrorism? >> that's a debatable point. there's no question they are an

adversary, they're committing human rights abuses and they're attacking america's democracy. crimea, across the board. but on this election issue understand this long-standing adversary decided they wanted to attack us where we are strong. and one of the most intangible strengths of america is we can hold ourselves out as a democracy, flawed though we may be and it's an intangible strength. it gives us an authority to actually talk about human rights, talk about civil rights, talk about freedom. so they decide let's get at them. let's attack that. so they decide to attack what is the strongest pillar of a democracy which is free and open election. what's going to get heat and they tried a bunch of different things and you know what caught

heat? the issue of of race. so russia exposed america's achilles heel and for those that wants to marginalize the conversation about race and racial inequities and say that's identity politics or this or that, now it'sall soa thagzal security issue and we understood deal with it. >> later this hour more of my interview with kamala harris on health care, and her campaign. and when we come back the geographic divide over guns used to be a political problem for democrats. now it's republicans. now it's republicans now at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. lease the 2019 es 350 for $379 a month for 36 months and we'll make your first month payment. experience amazing. my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. and this is me now! any physical changes to this man's appearance are purely coincidental. only pay for what you need.

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admitted in hind sited the mississippi raids, the timing was unfortunate. contrast that to the president of the united states saying hey, is what we're doing. this is a deterrent. >> well, i thought it was a striking discrepancy in tone. after you pressed him a number of times he finally said the timic was unfortunate. and when i asked president trump he said yes, it's a deterrent. he leaned into this strategy. the bottom line is there wasn't a plan for dealing with these can kids. the trump administration promised there weren't going to be anymore family separations. there clearly were even though some have been put back together. i think the focus does become on the comp ans. that's where the heat has to be now because if you're choosing all these migrants of breaking the law you have to put the focus, as you so rightfully pointed out, on the companies hiring. >> obviously i think his response in the timing issue had to do with the impact on hispanic americans.

>> well, the el paso shooting is something that was resounding accumulation of what the president is basically saying the moment he went down the escalators. the shooter used the words of invasion and infestation. the drove -- he said i went tael paso to cause maximum harm and as the president is landing in elpaseo, you have one of the largest ice raids in our nation's history. so it's hard to get this idea that the president was in el paso to control while running the operations that separated families and when you heard the secretary talk a little bit about how many, he knew the precise number of criminals. but he couldn't tell you how many people were documented, how many were american citizens. in fact a lotf of the folks in the plant were actually el paso natives. not just the optics but it's not

just optics, it's policies the president is purp traiting that makes it feel like yes, he's targeting the community disproportionately. >> i thought this is the typical dysfunctional white house. a functional white house chief of staff would have known about this and go this is not the week that whatever you do. but now the more we learn, no intentional. this is what you do. but clearly the secretary is uncomfortable. >> he did a good job explaining the complexity. i used to be in law enforcement a long time ago. no one knows the various threads operating at one point. i think he even indicated he didn't know at one point and the president certainly didn't know and the optics are not just unfortunate, but terrible. that being said i thought he did a good job pointing out that dhs

has 4,000 people in el paso and it's an attack on every american and el paso is overwhelmingly latino. i credit him wiexplaining in as short a period as best he can that's staffed by people trying toing do their job and it's a complicated balancinging act. >> he is the boss. the fact that boss didn't know they were going to undertake the largest raid in american history, that is really hard to fathom. >> we know the president takes a pel special interest in ice and knows he has a relationship with the current acting direct plrp it does feel like is he micromanaging this? not specifics but the larger tactics? >> the white house is also paying attention to the political cost.

so even in red states are paying attention. i wasen the ground in the atlanta suburb this week talking to voters in a place like georgia that has a vibrant lun to -- latino communities. taken aback by what's happening with with ice and the mass shootings. both parties are looking to those types of voters. does this confluence all off these issues wlits hether it's raids or violence in america? >> what used to be a devite by the democrats in geography is a divide among republicans. this on the red flag laws. wyoming and had t wyoming and montana. knee jerk reactions, more gun laws are not the options. and rick scott must not allow

those who threaten them selves to have guns. it is the republicans that are divided mostly on geography. >> and by governors verses senators. and produced the stop threat order and he is pushing for it again. nra supports it. dewine stepped forward with a stop order. there are lots off governors. >> large state governors. >> swing state governors. and they understand -- i think robert referenced suburban and others. grandparents and everybody in the country wants people who are obviously not right in the head not to have guns. >> okay. bob costa just said the trump reelection team is well aware of their suburban problem. what does the president think? combatting the nra is going to hurt his base or does sitting with the nra hurt suburban voters? >> i think he thinks he can convince his base.

i think he cares about the nra membership -- >> he didn't do the last two times. >> i pressed him on this. look, democrats control the house. he's aware of that. he sees that as a potential opportunity. in certain circles they feel the nra leadership has been weakened because of controversies. and everyone brings up the issue of the suburbs. so that is a real concern and i think president trump doesn't fit into a neat box when it comes to a political party. the skepticism, time. because a whole month is going to go by before congress comes back. >> mcconnell made a pledge to vote on something. >> he's reading tea leaves. this is it one of the few moments he can neutralize his critics. >> he said this before. >> no, but this is fundamentally different because you see the movement of of white suburban

women. when they send their kid to school, they want the kitd to come back hom. >> red flag laws because of the comments by other republicans probably not go move forward. background checks is the only game in town. the question is will president trump have any action? >> i'm going to get can killed. is anybody at the white house appalled that the president retweeted conspiracy theories? >> bottom line i don't think they have one. >> this is the first big test for the justice department. when we come back more of my sit down with kamala harass on the issue that has tested her campaign and divided 2020 democrats. >> in your plan employers are no longer where you're go tag get snurns. >> why should you have to stay at job you don't like -- d you hy

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welcome back. no one issue seems to divide the democratic party more than health care. senator harris has struggled to defune her position. i challenged her to explain it. but we did begin with national security. what is the hot spot you have learned about now? what is something you're picking up? >> it's everything that you know about. everything from cyber security, which includes -- listen, previously jay johnson, the

previous head of of the department of of homeland security designated our election's infrastructure as critical as our financial. and it has been attacked. so that's one of the greatest threats to us. but cyber security, i've been working on this since i was attorney general in california. we have got to do a better job of securing our infrastructure as it relates to power grids, what is going on in terms of of medical systems, in terms of fine angle systems. we're very vulnerable to cyber threats. >> let's talk about haurk. health care. there is some confusion about where you are on health care. medicare for all over here, antiobama care. you want a new system over a 10-year period.

people are saying we're in the middle of trying to implement the last system. medicare is not in all 50 states. >> i was very proud to be among the leaders who defended the affordable care act. what president obama accomplished was historic. many presidents before him at.ed to reform america's health care system and failed. he accomplished it. he has also said, used a term it's a starter house. it was a good beginning. we need to build on it. why? because currently there are 30 million americans without one. >> there's building on and there's buying a new one. is your plan -- >> as your family grows, you probably need a biger house. >> but you see that you're doing a -- it's been hard enough to implement obama care ---ing. >> some people in the house are out on the porch and in the rain

and snow and we need bring them in. 30 million americans without health care right now. we've got get them covers. >> ebs panding medicaid would take care of half. >> but medicare for all means everyone is covered. that's still 15 million toomany without coverage. >> in your plan, employers are no longer the place you get insurance. >> that's krkt. why should you have to stay at job you don't like? because your employer is sponsoring health care. >> isn't that the obamacare exchange? >> there was time they'd go and work at one place until they retire. that is no longerer the case in america. with certain -- with people in their 20s and 30s, they're moving jobs every two years. and people should not have to feel they have to leave a job because they'll lose their health care. >> republicans may still

contloel senate. how do you get that health care? do you have to say okay we'll ke obamacare and expand that? >> i arrived in the united states senate in january 2017 and there was a full-on attack that had been building for years to get rid of of the affordable care act and there was an attempt, sometimes successful, to make the a partisan issue. democrats want the affordable care act and republicans want to get rid off it and thinking that would create controversy. and then when i joined the united states enist and i watched and fought against any attempt to get rid of it. why? because preexisting conditions should not be the barrier to getting access to health care. because our kids should be able to be on our plan until they turn 27, righting? but i witnessed town halls

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welcome back. the iowa state fair is about much more than fried food on a stick or political stunt speeches. it's also one of the oldest and largest agricultural expos. and how that group is feeling about president trump's tough trade talk and actions. flipping the swing state after president obama won it in 2008 and 2012. and president trump came close. and while farmers have been a bigging part of his loyal base of support, they're already feeling the impact of this trade war. u.s. exports to china have plummeted by over $10 billion.

farm bankruptcies up 13% in the last year. the highest level since 2012. but so far that is not spelling political trouble for the president. a fact we heard from the farmers we spoke to at the iowa state fair this week. >> i'm still supporting because the chinese have been screwing us for years and years. >> we're not just going to roll over like they'd like us to. >> i think leer we're in a hole but we'll get evened out. >> and a survey of 700 farmers in iowa and illinois backs that up as well. they found a majority somewhat or strongly supportive of the u.s. tariffs on chinese goods. that said only 14% of the farmers surveyed said their farm operation will actually be better off financially a year from now because of the trade dispute. 20% said the same about u.s. agriculture overall, while 76%

said american farmers will bear the brunt of the tariffs. and many have long believed china was taking advantage ofthem. so democrats are in a tricky political spot. if they want to peal off the traditionally republican voters, they need a complicated argument of of ostanding up to a trade partner in another way. policy debates very hard to pitch in an election season. when we come back food on a stick, 600-pound cow made out of butter and democrats trying to avoid gas and pick up votes along the way. all eyes on iowa. all eyes on iowa or this john smith. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths that are humana medicare advantage members. no, it's this john smith, who met with humana to create a personalized care plan. at humana, we have more ways to care for your health, and we find one that works just for you.

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back now with "end game." back now with end game. it's not just me who likes to pander. here are some of the best of the panderers.the best of the panders. >> hello, iowa! you know, i've learned my time in iowa not just because my great, great grandparents who settled in henry county. >> they could know me for coming to iowa to visit my aunt and uncle since i was 2. >> this means i have to smile and pretend that the butter cow is better than the sculptures at the state fair. >> the soap box, they're all over the state of iowa here. so it's obviously pander time.

but this is trip to iowa for me, i've been to a lot of augusts before the caucuses, which is always state fair time. there was a sense of urgency because some of these candidates realized there is no september. forget the caucuses. >> and the urgency is why iowa continues to matter, even though politically, states like south carolina, which has a later primary and a more diverse demographic across its electorate, will likely matter more politically long term. if you're at 1% to a% 5% in thi crowded field, if you don't come out of iowa in the top four or five, hard to see how you stay in until new hampshire. >> i want to talk specifically about kamala harris. the biggest impression i took away from interviewing her, watching her campaign, is she's trying to do something that i think is smart when you're trying to win a campaign. she's seeing if there's room in between biden and the progressives there. i think the health care tells that story better than any other. the question is, is there room? >> i think that continues to be the question. she's making a very strong play for iowa right now. she's on that --

>> which was not clear six months ago. >> correct. she was focused on south carolina. >> but now they realize, if you want to win south carolina, you got to do well in iowa. >> have to do well in iowa. i think you're absolutely right, chuck. nothing lays that bear better than the health care debate, the fact she's still in support of medicare for all with this plan that goes into effect over the course of ten years. a lot of questions about whether that's feasible, of course. but look, she was a candidate who came out very early on in this gun discussion. i think she she's someone to watch right now. i think she's going to be really hammering that point home. i also think it's notable, president trump doesn't have a nickname for her yet. i don't think he's quite figured out how to go after her, whereas with the other candidates, with biden, for example, he has his one liners ready. >> hugh hewitt, i was just about to set you up. you've been a big admirer of hers from the other side of the aisle. what do you make of it? >> i believe she's still going to be the nominee. i took two things away from your interview. she's playing a prevent defense in the nfl. that means she's timid. she's one of the big democrats

who did not call donald trump a white supremacist. i think that's smart because the vast majority of america does not believe, and i do not believe, the president is a white supremacist. however, when you asked her about should russia be a state sponsor of terrorism, they have used poison agents, radioactive agents in great britain. that's a very timid response. of course russia is a state sponsor of terror. so i do not square her timidity on everything as working out. but i still think it works for her down the map. she's still going to be the nominee. >> what do you make of where democratic activists are on her? >> i think they're still trying to figure out exactly when it comes specifically to her position, when it came to criminal justice reform in california. there's a litany of work. but she's very much playing down the middle because i think a lot of folks right now are saying biden is definitely not as strong as he was. she's trying to make sure she's the candidate that picks up all of those votes. the only other person now in the wings that may pick up those votes is mayor pete if he's able

to resurrect himself. i think the challenge -- and i have to say, she did not say the president was a white supremacist because she recognizes it's still sensitive. but when the president does not denounce himself as a white supremacist, it keeps you paused. >> you can't forget senator warren and senator sanders. as much as senator harris may be positioning to get those biden voters, if vice president biden ever stumbles in the polls, the energy when you're out there on the campaign trail as a reporter, it's on the left. senator sanders holding steady in the polls. senator warren we've seen rise in the polls. >> funny you bring up senator warren. yesterday, michael bloomberg went to iowa to have a focus on guns. i think most of the candidates were there. not every one of them. most of them did. there was a unifying message pretty much on guns. but michael bloomberg decided to tell his audience about a comment he made to elizabeth warren. here it is. >> and i just said to senator warren on the way out, senator, congratulations, it was a nice talk, but just to remind you, if my company hadn't been successful, we wouldn't be here today. so enough with this stuff.

>> it is the only candidate that he decided to single out in a semi-negative way on the democratic side of the aisle, which i think goes to what bob was trying to say. warren is surging. >> she is surging, and i think the question, of course, and it underscores that as well, is she someone who's competitive in a general election, or is she too far left? look, i've been talking to a lot of democrats who say they've been very impressed not only by her performance on the debate stage but also by her ability to connect with people on the campaign trail. they're looking to see if she starts going after sanders. >> well, maria, while you respond to that, let me put up the most recent monmouth poll. you see it here. warren solidly in second place, but look at this. she's picked up 12 points. bernie sanders dropped seven. there's your direct correlation, maria. >> exactly right. when i go on the ground and talk to individuals that are the grassroots voters, they're very excited by him. since elizabeth warren started talking about one policy after the other, a lot of the donor class are quietly very excited by her. but is she going to be able to make it?

it's that convergence of these constituencies saying i'm interested. she's going to have figure out how the bloombergs of the world feel comfortable she's not going to tax them to the extreme. and that is where she actually -- i believe she has been able to demonstrate that's not the case. >> there's a potency to senator warren's message. president trump ran in 2016 on populism and nationalism, going after immigration as part of the cause for people's woes in the working class across this country. she's saying, i'm just going of a different target, corporate america. she's going to take back that issue of trade and others from president trump. >> in 2004, karl rove wanted howard dean. trump wants bernie sanders or elizabeth warren. >> be careful what you wish for. hillary clinton wanted donald trump. thanks for watching. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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