>> anthat's going to wrap up th hour of "msnbc live." "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," a crack in the ice. the white house and key senators are working quietly on a possible compromise on background checks. in florida, 18 months after the parkland tragedy, police and the families of the victims issue a heartfelt warning. >> everybody needs to know it can happen anywhere, anytime, anyplace and at the hands of anybody. >> coming up, fred gutenberg who daughter was killed at marjorie stoneman douglas will join me. a top trump immigration official defends his rewrite of the emma lazarus' poem on the statue of liberty saying it should read give me your tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet. >> that poem was referring back to people coming from europe where they had class based

societies where people were considered wretched if they weren't in the right class. and their time. starting today, a new law in new york state allows child sexual abuse victims to finally file civil lawsuits, no matter how long ago they were abused. >> what kind of difference will it make in your life? >> nobody will ever say liar after my name. >> and that it never happened. >> they'll never say liar again. and good day, everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in washington where there could be signs, maybe, of progress in the push for gun reform legislation. a senior administration official telling nbc news president trump has been talking to a handful of key lawmakers from both parties, including democratic senators murphy, manchin and pat toomey.

the focus what could have a chase of getting through congress, especially the republican senate where gun safety measures have been blocked for years. joining me now, kristen welker in new jersey and senior white house reporter shannon pettipiece. there have been reports at the staff level that perhaps some of his domestic violence advisors are going to see him in bedminister? >> reporter: so here's what we know at this hour. these are the first substantive talks that we're aware of between the white house and the hill about potential bipartisan legislation on gun safety laws. so we do know that president trump has been in contact with senators murphy, toomey and manch manchin. why is that significant? chris murphy has been a leading advocate when it comes to stiffer gun laws, expanding

background checks. m manchin and toomey are the two senators that proposed that legislation to expand background checks in the wake of the sandy hook massacre. that was the last time that congress came close to considering expanded background checks. but, andrea, we do know these conversations are also happening at the staff levels as well. their teams, white house officials, working on this, trying to hammer out something that they can bring to the president and propose to him. now, in terms of a briefing here at bedminister, i'm told at this point in time there is nothing imminent. they want to let the process play out. but this underscores that, again, these are substantive talks that are going on. but, of course, the skepticism here, andrea, one, has to do with the timing. we know congress isn't coming back until september. that's a fair amount of time. concerns about whether they can keep up the momentum. of course, president trump has expressed support for background

checks in the past, particularly after the massacre at the parkland high school. and that wound up going nowhere. he ultimately gave in to pressure from his base to the nra. is this time different? i asked him that directly, andrea. he said this time is different. why? he said because of time and then he pointed to the fact that the composition of congress is different. democrats now control the house. so could this be the moment that something actually happens? we'll have to see. we do know these substantive talks are taking place. >> nancy pelosi, the speaker, was just talking moments ago in illinois about guns. let's play some of that. >> we've been waiting since february. now public sentiment must weigh in to save lives, to pass our bill and look at high capacity magazines that should be eliminated as well. >> and shannon, you've been doing a lot of reporting on who

in the about how sowhite house for some change in this. >> i got off the phone with a senior white house official, they have a team that's looking at things in four buckets. background checks, they're looking at the toomey manchin bill from 2013 that failed to pass after the sandy hook massacre. they think that has bipartisan support and it could be a framework for another background bill they could introduce. on the red flag a lots, they're not necessarily expecting to get some sort of federal legislation on red flag laws but potentially something that could be a framework for states to use. encouraging states to pass their own red flag law and showing the states how to do it. they're interested in the issue of the death penalty. that's a conversation that the white house has been having, particularly with senator graham who has the judiciary committee.

and then they still haven't forgotten about the idea of violence in media and video games and mental health. they don't have any real specific legislation on that front, but they're trying to at least brain storm some ideas with different senators. the real nuanced staff level talks started this week chb. last week the president and the president's daughter were both involved. >> a couple points there -- we're going to be talking to fred gutenberg in just a moment. a question of what nancy pelosi was talking about was the house passed bill from february, february 28th. that's tougher, i believe, than the toomey manchin bill. the house democrats are not going to be satisfied, nor some of the senate democrats nor the 2020 candidates are going to be happy with reviving toomey/manchin.

i don't think it would pass the test. to do red flag laws state by state would be counterintuitive given the way that people travel across state lines. looking at what happened in texas. that wasn't across state lines but people travel distances with their weaponry. we're going to leave it there for you. today is the first day of school in parkland, florida at marjorie stoneman douglas high school. 18 months after the mass shooting of course. victims included 14-year-old jamie gutenberg. her father, fred, has turned his grief into action for tougher gun laws. it's good to hear from you. first of all, what is your reaction to what the white house staff is at least discussing? >> hey, andrea. thank you for mentioning that in addition to being the first day today, it is also 18 months since my daughter's last day of

school. we can't ever forget the victims of the gun violence that wou happened in this country. listen, any step forward on gun safety is a step forward. i'm thankful that responsible reasonable senators who have been active in this -- i heard senator murphy was part of this discussion. i have hope. the white house wants to be vauv involved, i have hope. anybody who wants to do something to stop this epidemic i'll stand with. i'm just going to take you back about a year ago. i was in ohio at the request of governor kasich. i testified there about red flag and background checks and other things. and i said at the end of my testimony don't be afraid to act. your failure to act could lead to ohio being the next place for a mass shooting. i never expected that it would

be now the last one that we're talking about. to everyone in washington, d.c., do not be afraid to act. the time is now. >> i want to ask you about the nra. the nra, wayne lapierre despite being the target of investigations, alleged corruption, all kinds of problems in the nra, yet he can get through to the president and the president can change his mind. >> i hope this time is different. listen, my daughter and other victims of gun violence, they were a cost of doing business for the nra. everyone now sees the way the nra manages its books and it's money. they were nothing more than a massive fund raising operation designed to sell more guns. i hope the president this time tells wayne no. this is the time to get this done. if we fail, everybody who fails as a result who doesn't vote positively for some form of gun safety legislation should be fired from their current job.

too many americans are dying. wayne lapierre needs to walk away. he needs to go away. the nra needs to be ignored. >> and let me ask you about walmart. you've made public pleas for walmart to stop selling guns. other chains have stopped selling gains. walmart was victimized in el paso and also we have what happened in missouri where thankfully this was averted. what will it take for walmart to stop selling guns? >> one of my american heroes right now is dick's ceo. because they made that tough decision. walmart must take that stand as well. after parkland, walmart did take a stand. they actually stopped selling assault rifles. they moved right after dick's did it. but they need to go further. we just had a mass shooting inside of a walmart and following that two were averted.

what is known as a soft target, walmart must lead. they must stop selling weapons. they must be part of this change. so i would ask every american go to walmartmustact.org. print out a letter that's available there. walk into a walmart, hand deliver it to the store manager. take a photo of yourself doing it and post it. we have the opportunity right now to truly change the culture to truly change the way weapons are retailed. we can't fail. >> thank you so much as always. we're thinking about you and about jamie. the other victims and what you're doing actively in parkland and across the country. >> thank you andrea. and we have breaking news on wall street. the dow taking a nose-dive today on rampant recession fears sparked by a key economic indicator for investors. sue herrera, a great friend of all of ours joins me now. thanks for taking time out. tell us, it's almost 700 points,

what's going on? >> it's always great to see you. it's an ugly day on walmart. here's basically what's happening, we're at or near our lows of the trading session. we're off almost 700 points. that key indicator that you mentioned, it basically is called the yield curve, which sounds complicated, but it's not. it basically means that short-term bonds are yielding more than long-term bonds. that's kind of upside down. that's not the way it should be. and sometimes that indicator says that there's a recession coming. but behind all of that is the increasing acrimony between the u.s. and china and the trade war that the president said was going to be short but is now almost a year and a half in. and the market is extremely worried that there will be no resolution to that trade war. and that is the underlying cause of what you're seeing this week on wall street. all the volatility. we were up triple digits yesterday. we're down triple digits today. so investors that have a

long-term time horizon should sit back, expect more volatility. this is an ugly day today. andrea, back to you. >> sue, of course the president online blaming the fed when actually it's his trade war that has a lot to do with the volatility. thank you very much. good tuesday you. coming up, shutting the door. a top trump administration official offers a troubling explanation for rewriting the poem on the statue of liberty. stay with us, you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. , you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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would you also agree that emma lazarus' words etched on the statue of liberty, give me your tired your poor are part of the american ethos? >> they certainly are r. give me your tired and poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge. >> ken cuccinelli is coming under renewed fire after rewriting emma lazarus'p poemon the statue of liberty. last night, he was not backing down. he was doubling down. even making it more obvious that this new rule is targeting hispanics. >> that poem was referring back

to people coming from europe where they had class based societies where people were considered wretched if they weren't in the right class. >> really? let's get the inside scoop from our white house correspondent for the pbs news hour. jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press and msnbc political an list and back with us, kristen welker. ken cuccinelli's rewrite of emma lazarus and saying in europe the huddled masses yearning to breathe free were from a class based society, which makes it okay to let them in. i mean, i'm trying to get my head around all this. let me get your take. >> this is really the administration making very clear who they want to be immigrants in this country. the president has said he doesn't want people from s-hole

countries coming here two years ago steven miller when he was asked about the poem on the statue of liberty used a popular talking point, which was the poem was added after the statue was built. he's making it very clear he does not want to have people using these programs that are really bridges to the american dream coming to the united states. i know so many immigrants who have told me personally over the last couple days that they used food stamps or housing assistance on their way to getting professional degrees. now they're productive citizens who own homes, who have children who are going to college here. i think it's in some ways against the american values. there are a lot of people who are deeply defended about what he is saying. >> kristen welker, does the white house have any -- is there any pause about this? because we know that the president really doubled down on the mississippi raids last week when he said in answer to you it was a deterrent factor.

this is making it so clear it's anti-hispanic. >> reporter: i reached out to a number of officials and no response. which tells me they're trying to determine exactly how to respond to this. there's no doubt it's prompting a sharp backlash among the president's critics. it underscores something that the administration has said as a matter of public policy for quite some time which is they want a more merit based system. it does underscore those private comments that president trump made that he wants fewer immigrants from quote unquote, s-hole countries. so the question is politically speaking, what is the impact here? the president heading into a reelection campaign he knows all of this energizes his base. i think that's why you're seeing him double down, telling me those mississippi raids were a deterrent. the acting dhs secretary

doubling down, digging in as well during that interview with chuck todd. although he did acknowledge the timing of those raids were unfortunate. so this is something that energizes the president's base. how does it play, for example, in the suburbs? we know that the republican party is worried about their prospects in the suburbs as they head into 2020. >> indeed. i wanted, jonathan, to ask you about something you've been writing about which is the conspiracy theorist in chief. something i wrote about for "nightly news" the other day after what happened, you know, on the epstein case. let me play president trump yesterday again talking -- defending what he had said about the clintons and epstein and what he'd retweeted. >> do you really think the clintons are involved in jeffrey epstein 's death? >> when they checked the plane

logs, bill clinton, who is a very good friend of epstein, he was on the plane about 27 or 28 times. so why did he say four times? and then the question you have to ask is did bill clinton go to the island? >> so he's going on and on again with conspiracy theories. but this is a pattern, jonathan that you be seen -- you've been covering this white house so closely. >> this is hardly new for this president. it began well before he was president. let's remember that his political rise really started when he embraced the conspiracy theory, the racist conspiracy theory of birtherism claiming that president obama was not born in the united states and would have been ineligible for office. we saw it during the campaign when he embraced rather strange conspiracy theories about ted cruz's father being involved in the assassination of president kennedy. he's said before he believes that global warming is a hoax. that wind farms even might cause

cancer. we've seen him do time and time again when he embraces something from the conservative fringe. he then doesn't own it, doesn't make himself responsible for it. he dismisses it as it was a retweet. not at all paying attention to the weight his office carries for any of his words. yes, we have grown used to the president saying things that are not true. but still his words matter. his latest example with jeffrey epstein floats the idea that bill clinton and hillary clinton may have been involved in his death. >> i wanted jonathan to play something for all of us that he said last night in pennsylvania. there was a lot to choose from. his love of cranes, claiming credit for the factory he was in. even though that was a project begun in 2012 under president obama in the first term of president obama. but this is the president complaining about the cost to his pocketbook of being

president. >> this thing is costing me a fortune being president. it's costing me $3 billion to the $5 billion -- i don't care. if you're wealthy, it doesn't matter. i just want to do a great job. >> do you want to fact check that in semi real time, jonathan? >> sure. first of all, the word we have here is emaollulments. we know that the trump hotel in washington in particular has become a favorite destination for foreign dignitaries. the president is clearly making money since taking office. >> thanks to all of you. and. coming up, reports that one presidential campaign might drop out of the race. what might he do next? stay with us, mark murray joins

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qualify for the third debate on september 12th houston. one democratic hopeful is weighing getting out. "the new york times" reporting former colorado governor john hickenlooper is in talks to ends his presidential bid, instead setting his sights on a senate run for the nomination to challenge republican cory gardner. hickenlooper is a popular two term governor. he's been stuck at the bottom of the polls of the presidential race. it could give democrats a strong contender in their hopes for taking back that senate seat. joining me now is charlie sikes and mark murray, nbc news senior political reporter. the presidential race is a hard race. >> right. so nbc news has not been able to confirm that he's thinking about exiting the presidential race and joining the senate contest. the handwriting is also on the wall.

we're looking at people who even have a chance to be able to make that next debate in september. hickenlooper is not in the conversation. the question becomes if he's not going to be in the presidential race, does he end up going for the senate. now a lot of former governors often don't like the fact of having to go for the senate. governors get to run things, senators are seeing a lot of the gridlock in washington. it's not as attractive as it -- >> talk to joe manchin. >> they're really happy with their field in colorado. we have as many as 12 candidates who are running for the right to take on cory gardner. if hickenlooper decided to run for the senate he'd have higher name id. he might be able to clear some of those people. right now i think democrats are sitting in a position where colorado is a state they feel like a generic democratic candidate can beat corey gardner.

>> would hickenlooper be a good senator? >> he was a phenomenal governor. phenomenal governor. he was a phenomenal mayor. i don't see any reason why he wouldn't be a phenomenal senator. he's got to make his own decisions. >> so charlie sikes, if hickenlooper does get out, it narrows the field somewhat. but there's still a big challenge with such a large field. right now, nine have qualified. tom steyer might because he's spending $12 million so far in early states. $10 million on tv media. >> yeah, well at this point, if you're not on that stage, your campaign is going nowhere. there's a lot of no hopers in this race. i think you'll see the winnowing very rapidly. the speculation about hickenlooper makes a lot of sense. you know, he's a much stronger candidate for senate in colorado, obviously, than he is for president of the united states. what's interesting is you're beginning to see more buzz about

beto o'rourke. the houston chronicle ran the article saying you want to come home. if you want to flip texas, you have a better shot here running in texas against john cornen than you did running for president. he i don't think is more of a prospect, i think he's got more momentum than hickenlooper did. i think you'll see a lot of speculation about both of these individuals because the focus needs to be on the senate as well as the presidential campaign in 2020. >> mark, what about tom steyer? steve bullock was here with us yesterday complaining as you well know that he had made a big issue about money in politics, yet he's pouring millions of dollars to try to qualify for this debate. >> it's a lot of that money, it's also the big e-mail lists he's had for his impeachment campaigns. in a lot of ways it was under the radar, but he was cultivating this late entry to be able to get in and make a splash to be able to qualify for the debate.

now i'm not sure on tom steyer his longevity of hitting the threshold to get into a debate or two. this has been instructive in a lesson to me for all the focus of people how campaign in iowa and new hampshire that yes, you can end up dropping $10 million on tv ads and be able to get 130,000 donations being a candidate in one month that money does matter more than debate performances in the campaigning. >> so true. mark murray. charlie sikes, thanks to both of you. the epstein investigation, the first lawsuit since jeffrey epstein's death was filed by one of his accusers. stay with us, you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. us, you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. let's see, aleve is proven better on pain

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we have new developments in the investigation into the prison death of accused sex trafficker jeffrey epstein. two law enforcement officials say that investigators are now looking into whether prison guards monitoring epstein's unit at the time of his death were asleep, literally asleep on the job. the justice department has ordered a staff shakeup at the detention center, placing two prison guards on leave. this as one of epstein's accusers takes legal action against one of the financier's high profile associates. in an exclusive interview last

month, she alleged she was raped by epstein when she was 15 years old. >> what would justice look like to you? >> justice for me would be for him really to spend the rest of his life in prison and make sure that people like this, you know, are not allowed to harm young kids. >> let's get more about all of this from nbc's stephanie gosk in new york and nbc news justice correspondent pete williams here. stephanie, tell us about this lawsuit and the implications of it filed today. >> reporter: many people wondered what recourse the accusers were going to have following epstein's death. this lawsuit is an example of that recourse. essentially what she's done, along with her attorneys is accuse the apparatus around what prosecutors have called the sex trafficking ring of doing the harm. also going after epstein's estate. so it's two pronged.

specifically named in this lawsuit is the woman who is the associate of jeffrey epstein, link linked with him romantically. friends at least for decades. she's accused of basically being an enabler for this entire sex trafficking ring. it's important to point out there's no claim that the victim met maxwell, but rather that maxwell ran the operation. there's three other unnamed employees who are also included in this lawsuit. they're described as a secretary, a maid and a recruiter. the victim says she was approached by this unnamed recruiter when she was 14 years old at her high school on the upper east side. so this would be a way to get at some of the estimated $560 million that jeffrey epstein is worth, andrea. >> wow. and pete, as well, the mcc, the

jail, under investigation by the justice department. what are you learning? >> three investigations going on now, andrea. the fbi, the justice department's inspector general and today another team arrived from the bureau of prisons itself. the after action team that comes in whenever there is what they call a significant event, something like this.. they have three investigations going. the warden was reassigned by the attorney general to a regional office. then the bureau of prisons put two guards on administrative leave. now they haven't told us explicitly, but we assume it's the two guards who were supposed to be keeping an eye on jeffrey epstein. they're investigating whether, in fact, they were asleep at the time they should have been checking on him. the logs we're told apparently though they did check on him. so if they incorrectly filled out the logs or falsified the logs that's a potential federal crime. one of the problems with this investigation we're told is that many of the people involved are not talking. they're not answering the

questions from the ig or the fbi. they've got lawyers. unions are involved. it's slowing the investigation down. but what we're told is as they dig deeper and deeper into this, they're finding more and more disturbing things. we know some of them. they weren't checked on often. there was supposed to be a cell mate and there wasn't. >> i know you went to the island just a week or two ago. there was a raid yesterday. what is the likelihood there was anything left to get out of his luxurious home after all this team has expired? >> really good question. we're looking at drone footage right now of fbi agents searching his home, pulling out computers and things they found. it has been a long time since his arrest certainly if people had wanted to move things from that home, they could have. you have to wonder, too, this

raid coming so soon after you had the attorney general william barr say these co-conspirators should not rest easy. you wonder if perhaps this is part of sending that message that they shouldn't rest easy. but we just don't know. we've heard no details of what they've taken out of there. >> stephanie gosk and pete williams. we've been working so hard on this investigation from all angles. thank you both so much. coming up, russian nukes. a week after a nuclear powered engine exploded in russia, how damaging was the accident? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. you're watchin"ag ndrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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in russia, officials have called off their plan to temporarily evacuate villagers near the site of a nuclear accident. the explosion killed seven people and released radiation but there's a lot of unanswered questions. russian authorities have released incomplete statements, playing down the severity of the accident according to critics and was the explosion the result of a failed test of a nuclear powered cruise missile touted by vladmir putin? joining me now with answers is jeffrey lewis, director of the east asia non-proliferation institute. and ben rhodes, former deputy national security advisor to president obama. jeffrey, first to you, let's talk about the nukes and what could have been going on there.

is this the after effect of an accident of that mysterious weapon they've been testing? >> yes, i think that something went seriously wrong with a nuclear powered cruise missile. this would be a missile that's powered by a small nuclear reactor. so it's very unclear what happened. as you noted the russians have given conflicting answers and they don't want to tell us the precise technology that they're developing. but, you know, this is a small accident involving a nuclear reactor that has killed five nuclear scientists. >> what is the fallout, literally and figuratively, jeffrey? >> yes, well, there is some fallout it seems. there was an early detection of radiation spikes. the scientists were killed. we don't really know the full scope of the problem because we don't know what exactly they were doing and we don't know exactly what went wrong. they admitted there was a fire and an explosion.

there should be some radioactive contamination wherever that happened whether it happened on land or they say it happened on an off shore platform. it's a local hazard, but the bigger fallout here is the idea that the u.s. and russia are slipping into this arms race where we're doing things like building nuclear powered cruise missiles. it's crazy. >> speaking to that, ben rhodes, wendy sherman was saying one of your former colleagues that that was something abandoned by the u.s. because it is crazy. >> yeah, i mean, it's risky to introduce new nuclear powered weapons, of course. what's also crazy is this is happening at a time when the trump administration is dismantling the treaties and agreements that have forced the basis of arms control between the u.s. and russia and globally. the more you do that, the more you're opening the door to the use of these dangerous new technologies. i think, frankly, andrea, it shows that the russian government which can't be

trusted is not a really credible voice when there's an accident. as was the case with chernobyl in the 80s, the russian people have a government that lies all the tile. they can't be trusted to get good information. that too is worrying. >> we've seen protests in russia. there's largely millenial drive of people yearning for better information, for more freedom of expression. and vladmir putin has been under challenge recently. ben, i also wanted to ask you just as a follow up for the -- this whole issue of the imf treaty which has been abandoned, the 1987 era treaty that was signed by reagan and gorbachev. there was a hint that john bolton does not think a new start can actually be renewed. >> new start is coming up for renewal. it's an agreement that was cut

by up to a third the deployed nuclear weapons of russia and the united states. again, it's part of the agenda that bolton has to systematically take apart the arms control regime. all that is is giving to vladimir putin to develop thuy weap new weapons and get rid of modifications and limits. i would like to see democrats running for president committing to try to move a new start forward. your point of millennials. under the hood in russia, he can look and empower in the west. there is a recreent survey that shows 44% of younger russians would like to lead the country. we saw the protest in moscow. we should be keeping our eye on the fact that really there may be a kind of building resentment of putin's iron fist in that country. things may not have looked as good in russia for putin than washington. >> which is worrying because

that's when he could be more aggressive externally to build up the response back home. jeffery, finally do you worry of a new arm's race given the past administration? >> i absolutely worry about it. the bush administration withdrew limited the united states of development of missile defense and what we have seen since then has been a concerted efforts by people like john bolton. we are living in the era where russia is investing heavily if the new start treaty that ben mentions that were so important were to expire, it would be the first time there would be no limits on either of our nuclear

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it is getting worse. it was about 680 just a few minutes ago and now it is 710. you can see a bumpy day. a pivotal day for survivors of sexual abuse in new york city today. no matter how long ago the alleged act happened. >> i was molested by father john paddock 2001 and 2002 at st. joseph. that was 16, 17 years old. it was a very dark time of my life. this is at light. today is the day that i reclaim the trust that was lost when i was younger. today is the day that i reclaim the love that was lost. i continuously hope and pray no priest ever is able to abuse a

child within the arch diocese of new york. >> anne thompson is joining me now. this is a major change and it goes beyond the catholic church. you interviewed two sisters. tell me about that interview, we can show more of it. i have to tell you andrea, talking to suzanne robertson and june maloney who were sisters at catholics upstate new york. they endured sexual abuse and emotional and mental. the sexual abuse came when the two sisters hit puberty and terrible things were done to them. june and suzanne say they were both nuns and a female staffer put their hands inside of them. a maintenance man raped her. these are stories that are so

horrific but today by filing the lawsuit, they get to say this happened to me and i am telling the truth and that's what they are hoping the courts will say back to them. yes, you are telling the truth because for years they have been threatening if they told what happened to them that they were called liars and that god did not love them. all kinds of psychological game words were playing with them. that ends today. at least that's what survivors were hoping. >> i want to play a little bit of your interview with them. it was so compel ling and dramatic. >> what did they do to you? >> she assaulted me. she put her hands up me. >> she took the wash cloth and poured the rest and brought it up between my legs and shove it up. >> how often do you think of what happened to isn't it true. >> everyday. >> i try not to think about it.

>> i see them as two little girls and seeing them as older women -- and these were two orphans. >> their mother had a nervous break down, she was sent away. their father sent them to this orphanag orphanage. these two women were abused h h horribly. what was striking to me, they held hands throughout the entire interview. they complete each other's sentences and you could really feel the bond between these two women. >> wow. anne, thank you for bringing us their stories. as always, you make it so real and so compelling. thank you very much. >> thank you, andrea. >> that does it for us for this

edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online and on facebook and twitter @mitchell reports. here is ali velshi and stephanie ruhle. with the dow down, i know you have a lot to talk about. >> you said our names, we'll continue to follow that. have a great afternoon. coming up on "velshi & ruhle," we are watching the markets. traders are responding to a new dark sign of a looming recession. we'll look at where we are headed and why traders think this is happening and the fall-out from president trump's economic policies. >> we also have new details on jeffery epstein's death and what went down in jail. we have the latest reporting on one of his alleged accomplices for maxwell and what can be in store for her. a ground breaking new law in new york state helping survivors of sex abuse. new suits have been filed against the catholic church and the boy scouts and a number