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economy. first this morning, new controversy sparked by the back and forth over a visit to israel by two u.s. house members. israel initially blocked reps rashida tlaib and ilhan omar for visiting and then agreed to at least allow talib to visit her grandmother. she refused the offer because of the conditions. as a result, "the washington post" reports long standing u.s. bipartisan support for israel seems to have disintegrated this week in a way that some fear could do irreparable damage. kristen welker has more on the latest cha latest chapter of this dispute. >> reporter: congresswoman rashida tlaib is rejecting the offer to allow her into the country to visit her 90-year-old grandmother on the west bank on humanitarian grounds. talib writing i have decided visiting my grandmother under these oppressive conditions stands against everything i believe in. >> this is a country that has

made a huge error, i believe. >> reporter: on thursday, israel announced talib, and ilhan omar were denied entry under israeli law because they support a controversial boycott of israel. israel's condition for talib's invitation that she not promote the boycott, israel's initial ban came hours after president trump pressured the israelis to block the lawmakers' visit. >> i don't encourage or discourage. they said some of the worst things i have ever heard said about israel, how can israel say, oh, welcome. >> reporter: omar praising talib for not going, tweeting sending you strength and solidarity. it's the latest clash between the president and the two lawmakers. mr. trump faced bipartisan backlash after sending racist tweeting urging talib, omar, and two of their freshmen colleagues to go back where they came from. while omar has come under fire for comments widely considered as anti-semitic. the president going after omar

again. >> representative omar, that's another one. >> reporter: in the president's first response to talib's decision not to go to israel, the president decided to escalate his feud accusing talib of grand standing and asking the question could this have possibly be a set up. israel acted appropriately. dara. >> thank you. let's discuss with sam brody, congressional reporter with the daily beast, and david mark deputy news editor with the washington examiner. great to have you both here this morning. as kristen reported, the president is accusing congresswoman talib of a complete set up. talib did suggest there's a quote, alignment between prime minister netanyahu and the president's quote hate agenda. so david, is talib's rejection of israel's presence about principle or is there no room for that in this political climate. >> i think it's hard to say it's about principal when she actually wrote a letter to the

israeli foreign ministry telling them she would come into the country under those conditions, that she was not involved in any boycott activities, that she was just going there on humanitarian grounds to visit her grandmother. when that was quickly approved, she said thanks but no thanks. it's not clear what she was up to in the first place, why she asked to come in and then declined to do so. >> as you know, israel is the biggest recipient to u.s. aid. listen to what bernie sanders says israel should do? >> if israel doesn'tme want members of the united states congress to visit their country to get a firsthand look at what's going on, and i have been there many many times, but if he doesn't want them to visit, maybe he can respectfully decline billions of dollars we give to israel. >> the policies of israel are becoming divisive in this democratic party. how so? >> support for israel has been

rock solid in the democratic party for quite a while now, and this was interpreted, this move from the israeli government was interpreted as a slight not only to democrats but to the constitutional integrity of congress to not allow duly elected members of congress to go and visit israel for leaders in the democratic party, like steny hoyer, number two supporter in the house, staunch supporter of israel, was personally offended that his members were not allowed to go. what it's doing is undermining the trust that has existed between leaders on capitol hill and government leaders in israel for decades, strong ties and there is a deficit of trust that's starting to happen. we're not clear yet what kind of moves could be taken. not a whole lot is being talked about in definitive terms for what's next for u.s., israel relations on capitol hill. a lot of lawmakers are steaming

right now. >> we'll have more on this. sam and david, stay with me. there are a number of other political stories here to discuss, including this, which is happening in just a few hours. gun control rallies planned across the country two weeks after two mass shootings. yesterday, heartwarming support in el paso for the husband of one victim. he opened the funeral for anyone who wanted to pay their respects. hundreds showed up. meanwhile, a fox news poll shows overwhelming support for expanding background checks for gun sales, but here's what president trump focused on during a rally this week. >> we are working very hard to make sure we keep guns out of the hands of insane people and those who are mentally sick and shouldn't have guns. years ago, many cities and states, i remember so well, closed mental institutions for budgetary reasons. they let those people out on to the street.

we're going to have to give major consideration to building new facilities for those in need. it's not the gun pulls the trigger. it's the person holding the gun. >> also new today, insight on how president trump is reacting to indications the economy he's banking banking on for reelection, may be flagging. a republican close to the administration tells "the washington post," the president quote thinks that all the people who do this economic forecasting are a bunch of establishment weanies, elites who don't know anything about the real economy and they are against trump. "the washington post" reports government officials are not planning any new steps to mitigate a recession. instead, the president's economic advisers having been delivering him up beat assessments in which he's arguing the economy is stronger than many forecasters claim it

to be. >> see, the bottom line is i know you like me, and this room is a love fest, i know that, but you have no choice but to vote for me because your 401(k)'s down the tubes, everything is going to be down the tubes, whether you love me or hate me, you got to vote for me. >> back with me, sam brody with the daily beast and david mark with the washington examiner. the new poll from fox shows the president is losing to biden, sanders, harris, and warren in head-to-head lineups. anthony scaramucci predicted the president will drop out by march of next year, so sam, there are two parts to this, first, what is the white house's interpretation of those polls, any concern here? >> the white house hasn't expressed a whole lot of concern about the polls. you have seen the prosecute repeatedly go after polls, specifically those from fox

news, supposed to be a friendly outlet to them. they have undermined the integrity of the polls, you know, something that supporters of the president often say is that these polls were wrong in 2016. they didn't predict the president's true level of support, and that's what they're going to continue to say going forward, is that these polls do not capture how popular the president is. >> and sam, why is scaramucci introducing the trump will drop out narrative. what is behind that? >> i honestly have no idea. most republicans, i think, both those who support and don't support the president would laugh at the idea that somebody who announced his reelection campaign earlier than i think any president in modern history would drop out at the last minute. this president is clearly all in on the reelection campaign, and is going to fight it out until the end. >> scaramucci and omarosa are questioning the president's

mental health, let's listen. >> in 2004 when the apprentice premiered, we watched a sharp, intelligent, articulate donald trump put on a show for the world. what we're watching is donald trump in complete and total mental decline. >> what happens to demagogues, chris, they flame out, and our last big time demagogue was joe mccarthy, so this thing is going to arc and burn brightly, and all of a sudden it's going to bristle and flame out, and then people around him, when the spell breaks, the people around him are going to be like, walit what were we doing. >> is there genuine concern ar -- or is this just about omarosa, and scaramucci trying to stay relevant. >> they may have legitimate points, but there are also people who love getting in the limelight. if we were to hear this assessment from former trump administration officials like former secretary, jim mattis or

intelligence director, dan coats, somebody who's worked in a high level position with them, that might be a different story, but until then, it's got to be viewed with some degree of skepticism. >> bill crystal, the antitrump pundit, and long time conservative has confirmed he has spoken with scaramucci trying to find another presidential candidate to help replace trump at the top of the gop ticket. sam, what is the likelihood of a republican primary challenger? >> there is already a republican challenger, bill weld, the former governor of massachusetts, and he has picked up virtually no support from the republican party base. this is trump's party now. and the likelihood that there is going to be a viable republican primary challenger, barring some huge major development is close to nothing, and the institutional party organizations here in washington, the rnc, and those on capitol hill are totally

aligned with the president. >> and david, is the president support within the republican party faltering at all? >> there's no real reason to believe so. as was just noted, there is a republican primary challenger, the former governor of massachusetts. there's another one on the horizon, former south carolina governor and congressman mark sanford who's already tussled with trump: he actually lost his seat last year in part due to trump's opposition. we'll see if he gets into the race, but it seems unlikely that republican rank and file are going to turn on him but we've still got time to go. >> interesting weeks and months ahead. sam and david, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> thanks. count jeffrey epstein's lawyers among those who doubt the medical examiner's ruling. how they will try to use video to prove there's more to the story. use video to prove there's more to the story. they customized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need.

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new concerns this morning following the released autopsy results for financier and alleged sex tasker, jeffrey epstein. in a statement his lawyers are casting doubt that rule the suicide by hanging and intend to quote conduct its own independent and complete investigation into the circumstances and cause of mr. epstein's death, including if necessary, legal action to view pivotal videos. joining me is political analyst,

danny se valcevallos. how can you determine what they are trying to get at here? >> they want answers. these facilities are closed circuit tv. they usually document a lot of things like when someone was last checked. they are looking for circumstantial evidence or direct evidence in the form of videos about what has happened to their client. they are duty bound to do so. it's part of our opportunity to look out for our clients and well being. when something tragic happens to a detainee, we're obligated to find out what happened. >> what kind of investigations would they want? >> the internal investigation by the facility is going to happen mostly because they have to protect against their own liability. also a good tool for attorneys is the freedom of information act. you can use the freedom of information act, any citizen can, to ask the government for documents and records. now, they have several different grounds that they can refuse to provide them and a good litmus test will be how hard will the

government fight in turning over these documents. that might give an indicator that they have something to hide. >> there are still questions surrounding the autopsy results, n including the broken bone in epstein's neck. the public has yet to see the detailed report. do you think the legal team has seen the full report and they still have questions. >> i think they have questions even if they did see the report. they are obligated to not take at face value the medical examiner's report in epstein's death. they have to conduct their own investigation. i'm sure they're planning to conduct narrtheir own investiga to find out what happened to their client and as officers of the court to make sure mcc is handling its detainees properly. detainees are not being punished. the theory behind holding a detainee is to make sure he shows up for trial and doesn't hurt anybody out on the outside. it's not punishment. detainees should be particularly

eyeballed in situations where they have suicidal tendencies. >> do you think the lawyers suspect he didn't kill himself and would there be any legal ramifications whether epstein did kill himself or if something else happened? >> i have said this since last week, possibly the entity with the greatest civil liability may not be epstein's estate. it potentially could be mcc, the facility that held him for failing to prevent his suicide. detainees have a 14th amendment right to adequate care that, includes prevention of suicide, even though suicide some may argue is an independent act. normally these cases are so hard to win, but just last week you had the attorney general of the united states saying he was appalled by what his own facility did. that is shocking and it essentially would be my exhibit a in any civil lawsuit against the facility for failure to provide adequate care. >> danny, epstein's legal team said it is quote indisputable

that the authorities violated their own propertocols. could they face legal action from epstein's family. >> there are going to be many lawsuits by epstein's accusers against the estate. the statements by the attorney general of the united states himself go a long way towards proving a plaintiff's burden, and the plaintiff being epstein's estate against the government for failure to provide adequate care. that's not my opinion. that's the opinion of the attorney general of the united states that there were, i believe i'm quoting, serious issues or i can't remember the exact word, but basically making the case for the plaintiff, the estate, against the government. >> and danny, this is something that you mentioned because attorney general barr said in an investigation into any accomplices is expected to continue. let's take a listen. >> let me assure you that this case will continue on against

anyone who was complicit with epstein, any coconspirators should not rest easy. the victims deserve justice and they will get it. >> but an op-ed from another msnbc legal analyst joyce vance said barr needs to recuse himself from the case due to several conflicts of interest. what are those conflicts and do you agree? >> you know, the problem with recusal is that if you always err on the side of caution, recusal can be a good option. joyce makes a very good point there. the argument the government will say in surely refusing to recuse himself is going to be that he can be independent, he can look at the facts without being biassed even though he arguably has a relationship with someone who has a relationship with epstein. that still doesn't matter. at least that's going to be his argument. i tend to agree with joyce that

this is a case where he has some personal involvement and probably recusal is the safest bet. it isn't about actual impropriety, it's about the appearance of impropriety, that should be avoided as well. >> we'll see what happens on that. de danny cevallos, we'll see what happens. a rocky week on wall street, shaking confidence for investors, the signs, and how it could impact the 2020 race. and we remind you to catch the finale of american swamp, folki focussing on the nation's failing infrastructure, and why nothing seems to get done about it. both parties should be able to unite for a great rebuilding of america's crumbling infrastructure. >> infrastructure, it's been a popular talking point for democrats and republicans for

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light warning from the bond market saying that there's going to be a recession on the horizon, and that caused massive fear on wall street. we had the dow go down 800 points, and president trump reportedly called ceo's from three big banks from citigroup, j.p. morgan chase, and bank of america, and asked them about the health of u.s. consumers and as we know, when it comes to u.s. consumers, their consumption is a major engine of the u.s. economy, accounts for 75% of gdp, and president trump wanted to know if we are headed to a recession, and how that is going to impact consumers. >> well, as you're talking about that, the president did speak to the three ceos and one of the ceos said that the fear of recession was more of a threat to the economy. do you agree? >> absolutely. it's like the chicken and the egg phenomenon. it's like, okay, so in the bond market, we saw the inverted yield curve which signals a recession, is that going to

actually cause a recession. is all of this fear going to make businesses pull back, when it comes to investing in capital. we could see hiring freezes, massive layoffs and that per p -- perpetuates and causes a recession. we have seen the trump administration push back. we do see the signals in the bond market, these fears of a recession are overblown. they actually want to down play that. they don't want a recession come 2020 because as we know, if there's a recession when president trump is trying to get reelected and people go into the voting booths, he's going to be toast. >> and he's always talking about the economy, so that's a big, big marketer for him there. and you wrote about the president's decision to delay additional tariffs on goods imported from china on things like cell phones, laptops, toys, shoes and clothing. he said he did it for shoppers. >> that was the big take away,

president trump not officially, but actually basically admitting, yes, tariffs do hurt u.s. consumers and businesses. he had said all along that china was paying for these tariffs, china was being weakened by the trade war, and that is true but we're also seeing an impact, a blow back here in the united states also. >> and is there a bigger story there about the trade war? >> yes, absolutely. when it comes to the trade war, president trump promised that the u.s. would win this. we're not getting there. we're not any closer to seeing a trade deal. when it comes to the tariffs that are going to hit on september 1st, president trump delayed some consumer goods to december 15th, but the ceo of the american apparel and footwear association did announce this and said on september 1st, 77% of the footwear, apparel and items that you buy for your house, for example, pillows and sheets and carpets, they're going to be hit with tariffs come september 1st, so when it comes to saving christmas, that's not actually true.

there are plenty of items that are going to be hit when september 1st comes. >> and the president also criticized the federal reserve this week, but having already cut rates on trump's advice, is the fed now in a position to prevent or mitigate a recession? >> yes, so the president keeps blaming the fed, keeps blaming jerome powell for what's happening, the slow down we're seeing in the u.s. economy, and he believes that if the fed were to cut interest rates, that would actually be some kind of insurance against a recession. but we got to be careful. the fed, when it comes to allen green span and janet yellen, former fed chairs, people who have been in jerome powell's shoes have said it's really important for the fed to remain independent and to not go with the whims of politics. it's way too important, the role of the federal reserve, in terms of propping up the u.s. economy and the sake of u.s. citizens. >> i think we have to hang on tight, and ride this roller coaster out for a while. civil marcellas, thank you for

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like he's following trump's orders, and trump looks like he's interfering in israeli politics to take aim at two, let's be frank, freshmen congresswomen. >> and what did israel have to lose by allowing the two congresswomen to visit. >> nothing. ostensibly, they have broken a law by supporting the bds, the boycott sanctioned movement against israel, meant to pressure israel to give more rights and opportunities to the palestinians, but in fact, other people who support bvs have been able to go there, and these are not just other people. these are members of the american congress, so there's no reason, in fact, that they should have been kept out apart from politics. >> jewish american groups like apac have criticized the decision. are israelis concerned about how this could impact the

u.s./israeli relationship going forward. >> as pountinted out in the "ne york times," this is becoming a wedge issue for american politics. if you're against netanyahu and against trump, you're supposed to be against israel. essentially that becomes a republican, democratic divide. traditionally, israel has been able to count on strong strong support from both democrats and republicans. that is all being eroded by this dpam th game that netanyahu and trump are playing. >> christopher, is there a clear winner or loser here? >> reporter: the big loser is netanyahu for the moment. the big winner is rashida tlaib and ilhan omar. these are freshmen congressmen. you have never heard of freshmen congressman as often as this. they are becoming household names thanks to donald trump and

netanyahu. >> what impact would this have jared kushner's middle east plan which the administration was hoping to roll out as soon as netanyahu's position is secure? >> reporter: the united states to push a peace plan, it has to have some credibility, it doesn't have any anymore, and in fact that was a stillborn plan to begin with. >> and i have to follow up with this, christopher, any chance of a two-state solution, what are your thoughts on that? >> reporter: a two-state solution is going to be the only lasting solution, and everybody knows that, but it's been effectively killed by the policies mainly of netanyahu. sometimes the palestinians have undermined it, but really it's the netanyahu government. now, the most far right government ever put together in israel with a heavy component of settlers who want to take all the west bank and control it. essentially it makes a two-state solution impossible, so it will

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the big bucks, but in a new study shows they make 278 times more than the average workers. and between 1978 and 2018, the economic policy institute says ceo annual pay went up just over 1,000% to more than $17 million. at the same time, the typical workers pay went up only 12% to 64 1/2 thousand dollars. now to the battle of 2020. a fox news poll is solidifying a new trend in the race as joe biden holds on to the lead with 31%, elizabeth warren jumps up to second in yet another poll, this with 21% support and the average in the latest democratic polls, real clear politics puts warren second in the race, slightly ahead of bernie sanders. joining me now is democratic strategist, antwon c. wright, former adviser to hillary

clinton. and shandel summer. >> and warren keeps surging in the polls, do you think she has a clear path to the nomination, and does this spell bad news for fellow progressive bernie sande sanders' chances? >> i think it would be malpractice to give a premature benediction to this race. what we know is there is a lot of ball left to play, and the vice president has remained steady and has remained his coalition of the most decisive voting block in this party, african-american voters. we know the most important state in the race, south carolina still seems to be a stronghold for joe biden, but we also see elizabeth warren, not only breaking from the pack as it relates to bernie sanders who she and him have a clear message, but she's starting to put some separation for herself and her campaign between some of the other, what most people would consider, stronger candidates like senator harris, like mayor pete and others who were making early headway, then

headlines, so it's yet to be determined. i think this race will shape up to be a battle of who we are as democrats and the idea of whether we're going to be this progressive party or maintain or center of left status. >> antwon, what do you think is the dynamic with biden dropping and warren inching up? what's behind that dynamic? >> well, i don't know if there's one particular thing. what i do know is there are many people who are taking shots at joe biden because he is the front runner and we also know that elizabeth warren has yet to be defined in this race, so when you are just running offense and no one is trying to define your defense, that makes a difference, but the fact that biden has still, in spite of all the attacks, in spite of the negative energy coming from the left and right, that he still remains in front runner status says a lot about his candidacy, and what people think he can do in a general election. >> president trump, he seemingly took notice of warren's rise during his rally in new

hampshire thursday. let's take a listen. >> elizabeth warren, i did the pocahontas thing. i hit her really hard. and it looked like she was down and out. but that was too long ago. i should have waited but don't worry, we will revive it. it can be revived. it can be -- right? >> is this tough talk a sign that the president views warren as a threat? s >> warren is a threat. warren is a threat because biden's popularity is largely a result of this nostalgia that the democratic party has for the obama years. but joe biden has indicated during the campaign that he's really not as sharp as elizabeth warren. she is very much the policy wonk. she's quick with the details, and she always has an answer for

everything. the problem with elizabeth warren is she has an image of being a very liberal socialist, which will not play well, i don't believe, in the general electorate. but honestly, she was originally considered a moderate conservative back in the 70s and the conservative in tea 70s and '80s when she was a law professor at the university of houston. if she can bring back that genre she had once she might be able to cap your -- capture that biden element. >> i thank god democratic voters will not be taken to a difference because we do this every saturday morning. second thing is your president, or our president, donald trump, you comparing joe biden and you want to talk about sharpness. i would take joe biden's sharpness over donald trump's sharpness ever any day of the

week and if joe biden wasn't a real athlete to the gop and republicans, guess what? you would not have the president of the united states and the republican national committee doing everything they can to try to undermine and put water on his candidacy. >> i want to expound on that. the president said he's reviving his pocahontas attacks. the strategy is worn out or grow tired or could he hurt warren by bringing this back in? >> one thing we've seen consistently when donald trump goes on attack that means democratic voters push back. when he does this i think it helps warren. but i think it's a bigger strategy for donald trump and the republicans because they do not want to run against a joe biden type candidacy. what we've seen consistently is that republicans feel he's the deepest threat or the biggest athlete to trump presidency. our senator here in south carolina who we hope to defeat next year lindsey graham said here in a town hall meeting that

the biggest threat to donald trump is joe biden in a 2020 general election. that's no secret. >> well the biggest athlete could be elizabeth warren. i would like to get your tark on this. how do you feel about president trump bringing back this pocahontas thing. should he drop it, let it go or is this an effective measure for him? >> i don't think you'll see him drop it. you'll see him doubling down on it and trying to suggest that she falsified her credentials to get into harvard law cool. i believe that's where she went. that has resonated with the american voters. they constantly refer to her as pocahontas. and trump has a way of nicknaming his opponents very effectively and he's a gut street fighting politician. he is not an ivy league academic in politics. that's why he beat hillary

clinton. because everyone else plays it safe but he goes for the jugular. war after has the ability to do that as well. i'm impressed how she takes on her opponents and she's like i said very sharp. i think she goes head-to-head with trump and you may see a warren victory. >> i want to take a look at this new poll because this new pox poll shows president trump is losing head-to-head matchups against joe biden, bernie sanders, kamala harris and elizabeth warren. the president's support nearly identical in every case. is this cause for concern for his campaign? >> no, not at all. it's a months before the election. hillary clinton, you will recall was polling very well right before the 2016 election. and it's a far more complicated dynamic with the electoral college. who knows where those polls came from, first of all. but the fact is you saw 38%, 34%

won't deviate from trump. it's who shows up on election day that's really more important. getting out the vote. it's how dedicated your supporters are. democrats are flaky in terms of showing up at the polls. the millennials don't show up. a lot of people have to be motivated to show up. so if democrats put together a coalition they may win. but right now you got strong support for trump and that hasn't changed. it's consistent. >> let me remind you of a few thing. this election is totally different than the 2016 election. i worked the 2016 election. >> how so? >> i can tell you the difference. one, people i know who trump is as a person who will govern this country and people are scared about that idea. that's one. number two, his track record and doing things that he promised along the campaign trail in 2016 has not come to pass and that's why you saw democrats in 2018 take over the congress within races we didn't expect to win

otherwise and you'll see that trend continue in 2020. health care still the dominant issue. the economy is falling apart for the working class in this country. you named every quality of life issues and we all can point to the failures of donald trump and the republican party and not to mention -- >> that's ludicrous. you have bill mayer calling for a recession. >> i let you filibuster and ramble for a second. let me finish my thought. you have this president trying to make this a racial issue and the fact of the matter you have 4 million people who did not vote in the last election who look like me who i am quite certain, understand the urgency of this election and will be at the ballot box this time around. >> we definitely have a passionate discussion going on. i so appreciate you guys being here on this saturday. let's keep the conversation going. great to have you both. >> thank you. exit signs why president trump reportedly had has grown

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it is time to clear the way for our next hour and my colleague an disgibson. good morning to you. >> good morning. enjoy the rest of your day and good morning everyone. of course it's 7:00 on the east coast, 4:00 out west. here's what's happening right

now. it was an offer she could refuse. congresswoman rashida tlaib and her decision to walk away from a west bank visit. confident on the outside but worried inside. how alarmed is the president is about the u.s. economy? and also the white house considering a big change after 19 years. is it all about politic, or policy? plus after the autopsy the questions jeffrey epstein's legal team still want answered and the mystery deepening over his long time friend. first up this morning new controversy sparked by the back and forth over a visit to israel and the first two muslim women in congress. israel initially blocked a planned official visit congresswoman rashida tlaib and ilhan omar at the president's request. but then israel agreed to at least allow tlaib to visit her grandmother. she then refused that offer because of conditions including not