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"politicsnation". tonight's lead, getting there is hard. staying there is harder. since officially announcing a re-election campaign that really started in 2016, president trump's bid to retake the white house has hinged on two things. continuing to trigger the racial and cultural fears of his from a bill base and passing on the economic resurgence of the obama years as his own stable genius at work. the centerpiece of which were historic tax cuts that have yet to produce the boost he promised. on thursday in new hampshire he doubled down, half warning his supporters that they had no choice but to vote for him because the trump economy is just too good to trust to a democrat. this, of course, a day after the dow had its worst trading day of the year.
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posting an 800-point drop in a single day. due in no small part to the president's escalating trade war with china. so as the president tells his base not to trust their lying eyes, "the washington post" reports that privately he shook as talk of a possible recession grows, poking a hole in his best pitch for re-election. but he can't turn to his usual umbrella from reality, the folks at fox news because a pair of polls this week reflects something he's not used to getting from them. the truth. one poll has the president losing soundly to the leading democratic presidential candidates, unable to get past even 40% against the top four contenders. the other has 56% of registered voters disapproving of his performance, posting a net
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negative rating in key states that he won three years ago and will certainly need to win again. joining me now, sara longwell republican strategist and national chairwoman of the log cabin republicans, and alexander hefner, host of "open mind" on pbs. sara, the fox news poll says he's losing to the top four democrats. he has a 57% negative approval rating. how do republicans win with this if this holds to be true? this is, again, a fox news poll. >> yeah. it has been a bad few weeks for the president and really starting to show up in the polling. but the polling is not what's going make them the most nervous. what they are the most nervous about is this softening in the economy because if this economy goes south on him, trump's
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chances for re-election in 2020 are doomed and they know that. that's why you see this week the kind of panicking, all the going after jerome powell and harbor ranging the federal reserve demanding they need to cut interest rates because they have to juice this economy going into 2020 or trump doesn't stand a chance. >> when you look at the global economic picture it's not encouraging because we're seeing some recessions or moving towards recessions in major european countries that there's not a lot of reassurances on a global level that would in anyway convince us that this downturn in the economy here is not something that is trending and for the president to be flirting and threatening and bluffing, as i would say, trade wars is certainly escalating that athlete. >> absolutely the fire wall, the economy here is a robust one
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because the president can't say fake news. he can't say fix news with regards to the dow surging down 800 points. >> he can say it but it makes less sense. >> it's not reality. ultimately on the bread and butter basis of folks' pocketbooks there's a resonance of that. if he's not making sense, the tribal allegiance that has been a cult-like following even for some of his after dent supporters may trail away. senator warren might be most able to capture the imagination of the american people because she has deep and abiding concern for consumers, for the protection of the well being of the middle class, and i think you're beginning to see senator warren emerge as a more likely general election nominee in a climate in which the economy is important. almost in the same way in 2008
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that nature obama, then senator obama asserted himself as a candidate who was concerned with the plight of the middle class. warren in her own populous vocabulary can assert a similar fidelity to the middle class and once again the rebirth of an my for everybody. >> sara, when we didn't see the boom from the tax cuts that he promised his base was going to give them a tremendous boom and all would be well, he's going to need more than saying sleep joe about biden or pocahontas about warren to get by people's pocketbooks who have not gone up but in some cases working two or three jobs to make ends meet. >> that's right. i do focus groups of republican voters all across the country all the time. they don't like the president's rhetoric or his attitude but the thing they like the most is the economy. and if the economy tarts to
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tank -- frankly i was just out this week. i spent a week traveling the country doing focus groups. in every republican group die at least half of the people in the room were very unhappy with the president. >> half. these are republicans. >> these are republicans. i was very surprised to see how negative people were. look, it's things like the shooting. things like the racism. they are feeling -- they are feeling like he's doing negative things to the country and the thing that has held him at that 42% despite how divisive he is, despite his rhetoric has been the economy. and he knows it. so if he loses that if we start to see big fluctuations in the dow, the inverted yield curve, he is going to panic. there's nothing for them to do if that happens. >> alexander, the other side of this is when he comes with this outright open racism and bigotry, blame it on them, them being the mexicans or the blacks
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or latinos in general, that doesn't wash if you don't give me the economic boom you promised me and i'm suffering, "them" are not the ones i voted for, you are mr. trump. how do you in light of what sara is saying, if you're donald trump how do you defend hat. it's only so long you can blame the other and playing bigotry when somebody is saying wait a minute i'm having a problem making ends meet in my household and you promised me better. >> i would like to think no motor than a quarter of the country would continue to espouse that bigotry further the president's bigotry, attend the rallies, fan those flames. if they are really being hurt financially, you know there's a hard core racist support for this president that may never vanish. doesn't matter the economic reality. but, you know, at the end of the
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day, demagoguery for this president had no limit. there's no bottom. so i don't expect that to stop. what we could see is a democratic candidate for president united behind a large coalition in this country, the majority of this country, in battle ground states like iowa and blue states, new york, california, understand that this, this economy has been for a corrupt, silver, gold plated few. everyone else has not bested. >> sara, don't republicans run the danger of, again, if the economy is going down, 800 points one day, in one single day of the dow and he keeps playing the race card, doesn't it at one hand not only makes his base remain under water in terms of being the majority, but
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energizes the base that he's taken shots at to come us. let's not forget michigan, hillary clinton only lost by 11,000 votes. so while he's disappointing republicans, some of which you saw on your trip, he's energizing others. >> yeah. i think that's totally right. the republican base that he's going to stoke is a very small part of it. here's what's going to happen as he gets weaker and republicans get nervous about him being their standard bearer. i predict you'll see moprimary challenges to this president. he always has one. but i think in the next month or so you may see more. mark sanford was in new hampshire this week. joe walsh write an op-ed in the "new york times" on thursday calling for a republican primary challenge from the right. people are starting to panic
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about the idea of going into 2020 with this guy as the standard bearer. >> well, funny you said that because coming up next i'm going to talk to someone saying let's give him a primary from the right. we'll have more with sara and alexander later in the show. but coming up, if the new polling showed donald trump losing general election matchups against multiple top democrats, so is the president really the winning horse for republicans in 2020? former republican congressman joe walsh doesn't think so. ahead, why he says the gop needs someone to primary trump and the track that person should take. we'll be right back. should take. we'll be right back. track of re. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on... is boost® delicious boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. boost® high protein. be up for life.
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as the saying goes desperate times call for desperate measures. that's why many of the republicans who want trump out of office say he needs a primary challenge. in a "new york times" opinion piece this week, former republican congressman and detractor of the president joe walsh high likes that trump is not most vulnerable to challengers from the center or left, but from the right. he adds quote, the fact is, mr. trump is a racial arsonist who encourages bigotry and
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xenophobia. he continues by calling the president's policies reckless and incompetent and clueless. one republican is running against trump, bob well. former south carolina congressman and governor mark sanford says he's also considering an insurgency white house bid. joining me now, the author of the "times" piece former republican congressman joe walsh. welcome back to "politicsnation," congressman. let me start by saying this, you and i don't agree on much. we would even debate if today was saturday. but you called the president one that has used racism and bigotry and xenophobia, and saying this is not what a conservative republican is all about. explain. >> good to be with you.
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look, i agree with your two prior guests that nobody really likes trump, the man. but republicans will stick with him as long as the economy is doing well. but here's the deal. this guy isn't fit for office. that's why i wrote that piece this week. it was like a wake up call to republicans. he's morally not fit to be president. every time he opens his mouth he tells a lie. every morning he wakes up and it's insults american after american. that piece was supposed to be a wake up call that he's not fit. some republican needs to stand up and make this moral case and i also want to apologize for the role i played in putting what i believe is an unfit con man in the white house. >> you want to apologize for your role in putting an unfit con man in the white house. let me ask you this. when did you have this awakening
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that this man was not fit to be president? was it one event, one move? i mean how did you come to this conclusion as one that helped him? >> yeah. i voted for him in 2016. i didn't vote for him because i liked him. i voted for him because he hasn't hillary. but i realized pretty quickly after he won that, again, virtually every time he opens his mouth he doesn't tell the truth. i don't care what your politics are, none of us should accept that. i mean he lost he had for good at helsinki when he stood in front of the world and looked at putin and said i'm with that guy and not my own people. that was it as far as i was concerned. that was disloyal. that was unamerican. and every day it's been worse and worse. >> if you were still in congress would you support moving to impeach the president based on
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the mueller report? >> you read that report and i know you have. it's a case for impeachment, plain and simple. this is a president that demonstrated he obstructed justice, he believes he's a king and a dictator. he believes he's above the law. and it's in that report. >> why aren't more republicans, some who are your colleagues where you served in the house, why aren't they standing up saying what you are saying? >> they are scared to death. look, it's difficult for me to say in my profession. i'm in conservative media. i mean most of my listeners want to hear people like sean hannity who sing this guy's operations every day. it's the same thing with my former colleagues. they want to get re-elected. they are scared to death of the trump tweet. they are afraid of a primary challenge and afraid of losing their power. it's a damn shame because it's -- again, think about it. i hate to be repetitive, but we
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have somebody in the white house who is fundamentally unfit. it's embarrassing that no republicans have stepped up to make that case. >> it is interesting to me that people that have worked for him, former white house aides, anthony scaramucci said quote we got to defeat him, everybody in the republican party knows it, they don't want to lose their mantel of power and their mantel of leadership so let's primary the guy. a former white house official who has known the president since 2003 has said the president is unfit to be president. a former trump transition team member, called for impeachment proceedings to begin after reading the mueller report. so you're not alone. will somebody step up and do you have any type of people that you can name would be a likely, serious challenger to a sitting
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president being renominated? >> first, here's what's sad, virtually every republican on capitol hill agrees with every damn word i wrote in that "new york times" piece. who is going to step up? i don't know. i don't have a name for you. i have not ruled it out. here's what i know. you can't beat trump in a republican primary if you just talk about the debt and the deficits and tariffs. this is so darn much bigger than the issues. you got to look that guy in the face and you got to look republican voters in the face and say enough. we're tired of the bull, we're tired of the lies, we're tired of the cruelty. yeah, we're tired of the racism and the xenophobia. somebody has to make that moral case. if they don't then no republican primary challenge will be remostly successful. >> let me rewind a moment. your open to running yourself? are you considering challenging
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this president as a candidate? >> i haven't ruled anything out. i'm not trying to be coy or cute. i haven't ruled anything out. i know what needs to be done beat him and that's somebody who can look this coward in the eye because that's what he is, and say you're not fit, enough, we're tired of you. somebody has to say that. >> do you think in his heart that he's a conservative? i mean, obviously -- >> no. >> we fight over things politically, there are conservatives, liberals, they are labels. do you as a republican conservative consider donald trump a true conservative? >> hell no. i want to get back to the days when you and i can respectfully debate issues and policies. donald trump isn't a conservative. donald trump isn't a liberal. donald trump is donald trump. all he cares about is donald trump. he doesn't stand for a thing besides donald trump. >> well, congressman, i'm a
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conservative. i'm trying to conreceive the voting rights act, civil rights act, criminal justice reform people's rights to choose. i'm a conservative. so you and i could debate those things. we find out maybe one of us are more conservative than the other given some of the things i want to conreceive. thank you for being with us former congressman joe walsh. coming up, a petition is gaining steam in new york city and literally too close to home for the president. i'll explain. maria ramirez? hi. maria ramirez! mom!
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for my weekly memo to president trump, i'm going to hit you where it really hurts, mr. president. your need for love. because we know impugning your competence or your decency doesn't work. so i have to take it back to the playground and guess what? no one wants to play with you, mr. president. outside of your shrinking base and maybe a few dictators. before you run crying to fox news remember their polling has you losing to no less than four democratic contenders if
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americans voted right this minute. but you know who americans do like, though? still? this guy. who never had a reality show. was not and still isn't a self-described billionaire and hasn't married two or three fashion models, just one model citizen who by herself is more admired than you and she hasn't even run for office, yet. perhaps that's why i got such a kick out of this story that i saw this week about a petition currently circulating on moveon.org to have the new york city block where trump tower sits between 56th and 57th street on fifth avenue renamed after your predecessor, turning 725 fifth avenue into 725 president barack h. obama avenue. if thousands of petitioners have their way and the go ahead from
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new york's mayor new york city council just twist the knife when i first saw this story mid-week the number of petitioners were just over 130,000. since december when it was introduced. but as of this broadcast, that number has more than doubled, nearly 400,000 people want you to be reminded of your forerunner every time you return to your headquarters post-white house. that is if you manage to stay out of federal prison. we'll be right back. iphone or android and our . with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you can check your glucose levels any time, without fingersticks. ask your doctor to write a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks. learn more at freestylelibre.us
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there's nothing like seeing the brains, the brain matter of a young aspiring student with a 3.9 average about to go to college and to go on to law school but comes back you send him there to get an education and he comes back in a coffin. >> that was congressman elijah cummings speaking in baltimore minutes ago at an anti-gun rally. he spoke about the death of his nephew due to gun violence. two weeks after the shootings in el paso and dayton a big weekend for gun violence prevention, activists, survivors and lawmakers. they are taking part in more
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than 100 rallies across all 50 states in what's being called a weekend of action to demand that the u.s. senate pass legislation to require background checks on gun sales, on all gun sales. but will this national show of force be enough to convince lawmakers to take real action on gun control? back with me now, sar jo longwell and alexander hefner. sara, background checks. in this latest fox news poll, fox news, there's overwhelming support for universal background checks, 90% in favor. this is a fox news poll. what is going through mitch mcconnell and the republicans in the senate mind that they cannot come back if it's just a half a day and deal with this issue in light of what we've seen just over the last two weeks? >> yeah. the pressure on them is immense. i mentioned i was doing these
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focus groups around the country with republicans and usually when you ask republicans what their top fears are about the country they will say things like immigration, crime, but this time, this time i heard so many of these republicans mention guns. and what's happening is i think as public opinion is shifting including republicans on the gun issue it's happening at the same time when the nra is the weakest it's ever been. they are beset by scandal. the other thing president trump even himself his instincts are actually to do something on the gun issue and so this is, i think, the most difficult time mitch mcconnell will ever have to try to hold people off on this issue. >> alexander, i mean if you have republicans concerned, and the president is saying well it's a mental health problem and it is a mental health problem, he's the one that took back some of the obama administration's move towards funding and other things around the question of mental
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health and access to guns, but you still can't get rid of the fact that they have the guns, they have the ammunition. whether a person is using them out of hate, mental health. it shouldn't be available legally for them to get. >> absolutely. that's why buy back programs are essential, we want to hear that from the democratic candidates for president. >> before you get buy back you have to stop the sale. >> i don't think that will happen in this administration. i don't know what instincts she was referring to. the instincts are he's behold into the nra. increasingly he's beholden to extremists. i don't want to say the klan specifically or the modern-day klan. but let's have this discussion of white supremacy and the resurgence of the kkk and its mental it because these are problems we have to focus on jointly. we saw this morning the president attempting at every turn to conflate, to falsely
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equate the anti-fascist, anti-authoritarian protest with the proud boys and overtly white supremacists ideas. >> going on right now. >> right now. you know, this is the fact that's been escapable. he understands one thing. his alliance to that, the modern-day klan is stronger than any other loirns, maybe even stronger than the nra alliance. >> talk about the nra, sara, you mentioned the weekend that the shootings happened in el paso and in dayton, ohio, the president called mitch mcconnell and the head of the nra, he still bringing them into the fold as a credible source to deal with on this issue. >> there's no doubt he's doing that. but let me just what i mean by instinct. there was this bipartisan meeting after the parkland shooting where donald trump sat there and said we got to do something. we need a standalone bill.
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all the democrats were very excited. what it took was the republicans to go and say hey, no, mr. president, actually we're not going to do those things. we won't pass a stan alone bill. right now while he's being accused of being a white supremacist, while there was this shooting that was done where he was sort of inciting some of the language, i think that right now he is -- he does want to do something but i think he's being held back by the nra and by mitch mcconnell. but when public opinion is this overt and when you have a number of revoters, lots of them gun owners themselves who say i want to do something about this. mitch mcconnell is the one you got to convince. >> many of the republicans are facing some serious races themselves and when you look at the fact that jerrold nadler, the head of the house judiciary committee saying they are coming back a week early and dealing with some of this gun stuff this thing will move forward and this president -- how do you make america great when you have
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people running around that in 30 seconds can kill nine people and a president can't get anything done? it puts police at risk? he's supposed to be pro police. why put police where they go into situations where they are outgunned if you're for police. >> if you look at the 2016 campaign it was trump's incest with the nra and russian interest that propelled him to the presidency with manafort behind it. fact of the matter is we'll see lethal death fatality again and again and the house is goilt to produce important legislation and judging by the standard of recent history the senate will not act, this president will not act. there's ample opportunity, whether it's legislation, executive order to reinsert himself into this conversation productively. they've now turned the table and focused on mental health. mental health is important but
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let's also really attend to the crisis -- >> it is important. which is why you don't need that available to people at all. we should deal with it as the obama administration was. but you don't arm them while you're dealing with it. sara, is the republican party having a crisis in terms of who they are and what they are about? i mean i never thought i would see the day where i would say george bush and ronald reagan at least we felt they were fit to be president. >> we're definitely having a crisis. one of the things that you're seeing is that the old coalitions are sort of falling apart. one of the things that trump is up against in this gun conversation is that he sort of can't do anything about it because he's got to keep his base happy and those people really care about the gun issue. but he's also got to win over these college educated republicans in the suburbs and they are the ones who really want to see something done about
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it. and more and more it's just becoming impossible to sort of hold that coalition together. >> all right. >> let me thank both sara longwell and alexander hefner. let me say coming up in recent months we've seen the president tell lawmakers of color to go back to where they come from. well up next let's take a morality check of the moment. this country is currently in. we'll be right back. e broke his pelvis or whatever, now back to my creamy heinz mayonnaise". heinz mayonnaise, unforgettably creamy. you only talk about your insurancet, when you complain about it. (garbled)....it's so painful. good point! that's why esurance is making the whole experience surprisingly painless. so, you never have to talk about it. unless you're their spokesperson.
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caged children sleeping on cold concrete floors, the dismanhattanling of environmental protections as the ice caps melt and the rest of the world burns. mass shootings targeting minorities amaid growing global playing ever racist violence. and the common denominator our president. who either directly is responsible for these developments, or at the very least an inspiration. but while we know who he is, what does this moment in time say about our nation where
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millions of americans, not only endorse but cheer on these stories as evidence that america is being made great again. joining me now dr. w. franklin richardson board chairman of national action network and senior pastor of grace baptist church in mount vernon new york and dr. bernard pastor of the cpi cultural center in billion. now you respectively pat tored the largest congregations in your counties and i wanted to really take this above the politics and get a real measure of where we are in terms of a moral measure in the country, because we're seeing so many things that despite whatever religious beliefs you have would be considered a moral crisis for migrant children to all of the things i named. where are we pastor bernard? have we lost our way? have we lost our definition? do we even know what right or wrong is?
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>> there's a wonderful passage in proverbs that says hope deferred makes the heart sick. i think what we're seeing is that sickness that comes from a nation that is suffering from a deferral of hope. and it is true for the disenfranchised and marginalized of all races, all ethnicities in this country. we have policies that the obama administration failed to reach, the white blue collar america and with the trump administration he too will fail to reach those same people and if his policies does reach those people, automation will take over their jobs. so there's a frustration that has built up over time that's expressing itself in violence that's rooted in alienation. >> dr. richardson, you not only pastor the largest church in westchester county you had the conference of black churches which is all denominational
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heads. as you look at this nation and as you look at your career in terms of your being involved in civil rights and now leading faith leaders in this interdenominational conference, where do you see the moral question being raised? dr. king, evangelicals have raised the moral question. where is the moral question being raised? it seems people are going along with this. >> it does in some places. the mantel for addressing this has always been with the church or with the prophet. maybe not the church all the time, frederick douglasswasn't engaged to face racism. we're called in this hour to raise the conscious. if the world goes to sleep the church cannot go to sleep. and the preacher cannot go to sleep. and the parishioners can't go to sleep. the truth is in this very moment
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we see that there is a suppression, a new normal has emerged that i think has got something to do with the shifts in mentality, shifts in the way we communicate with each other. i think technology and digital divide all of those things help to create more information, the more we see killings, the less affected we are by them. the more we have a president who speaks without civility, the more acceptable it is. so it gets mimicked throughout society. racism has been resurgent and so we end up having people, the monster in the moon is the people are being signalled to be afraid of this emerging inclusive culture. >> dr. bernard, picking up what was said about the prophet
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standing. there could be a rabbi in the jewish faith, a muslim man, a christian minister. you're widely respected in the evangelical community. yet you advisory group to this president. is it that we are not seeing people stand up in a prophetic tradition and say foul this is a bit too far for me as a moral leader? >> i think we have to revisit and understand the prophetic tradition because prophetic is predictive to the future but primarily analytical to the president. the prophets of old would evaluate the social, spiritual, economic, and political and moral conditions of the society at that time and then speak into that. we don't have enough voices speaking in and upholding a moral standard. in fact, we are putting politics above our religious belief and religious responsibility to be the moral arbiter within the
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society. >> this is not a theyocracy, it's a democracy, but yet that does not mean that moral voices cannot raise from their belief what they stand for. >> i guess i come to a place where there was a sense in my mind when a moral sense of right and wrong was transcendent of political groupings, that you don't have to be republican and democrat to know that some things were inappropriate, wrong. i think we've going to cross the line now. we've shattered that. the things that the conservative right said they were for, they gave up in the name of preserving the margins of immigration. icon tend that what's become god for them is this allegiance to try and hold back america to be a white white supremacist nation and they are threatened by it. and their children are threatened by it. so we got this divide that is based on politics.
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and pastor's comments, it's clear that we need more voices. >> dr. bernard, you have a large white following and it goes across racial lines. something you said is interesting because this frustration is only going to grow. i had a president telephone a major company tell me what is the threat in terms of people making a living? it's not immigration but automation. and as this increases to take people out, i mean, you go to the airport now. a machine tells you the money you owe for a product. how do we deal with this growing frustration? when will the moral voices stand up and say, wait a minute, the frustration should not be that we scapegoat people that are different than us but really find a way to come together and build and maintain something? >> i think the extremes of the right and the left is creating
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an everexpanding middle where there are people who want a new voice to emerge, a voice that's going to be civil, say yes we need a strong economy. but look to unite the nation instead of polarizing and dividing the nation. the greatest experience of poverty in this country in terms of numbers is experienced not by blacks but by whites. but there are blacks in this country who cannot see white poverty because of white privilege. there are whites in this country who can't see white privilege because of their own poverty. and it's not until we come together and realize that a major portion of this country is in the same boat and we need to work together and sit down and have a civil conversation, civil discourse. we're going to allow the extremes to rule. >> now, dr. richardson, it also means we have to stand up against the extreme and negative forces even in our own bases. >> without question. we have to call into accountability our own community
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to a sense of right, a sense of justice. and we say we want justice, but we want justice for all. we don't just want justice for black and brown people. unfortunately the balance of justice today is towards the white community. but that's not our ambition. we've to call our own people into accountability when they -- and we don't understand the frustration. it's the frustration that we've inherited as a community. >> well, i thank both of you for -- let's take time to do a little moral temperature take. thank you pastor richardson and bernard. up next my final thoughts. stay with us. s. stay with us flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief ♪
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those of us in public life know that you are going to face those that agree with you or disagree with you. some will even distort and say things and accuse you of things that have no basis of truth. but something happened this week that was unprecedented. the head of state, the president of the united states called on a foreign government to ban two elected members of his government. this is unprecedented. we've seen private citizens go to countries to get hostages while ronald reagan was president, while other
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republicans were president. they never called on people to be banned. when donald trump called on mr. netanyahu to ban congresswoman rashida tlaib and ilhan omar, it had nothing to do with whether you agree with them or not. it had everything to do with when does a head of state call on another head of state to disregard and disrespect elected representatives of the citizens of their country? now, i have met with congresswoman omar just two weeks ago, the mother of police brutality victim eric garner. and i met with congresswoman omar. i have sat at the democratic debates with congresswoman tlaib. it's not about me ignoring them or having discourse. i would say if it was anyone to feed into breaking the line of regard and respect for the voters of your country by
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telling another country to ban them because of your disagreements is a new low in global diplomacy and global politics. is there any kind of regard and respect for the will of voters in this country, and shouldn't those that they elect be respected wherever they go in the world? mr. president, you hang out with dictators, but we are not going to let you behave like one. and we certainly are not going to let you export your politics to other heads of state. that does it for me. thank you for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace. th nicollee hi, everyone. it's new york in public and in private. donald trump is reportedly shaken by the prospect of an
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