how to do this. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next saturday at 5:00 p.m. oorn. up next "meet the press" with chuck todd. uck todd this sunday economic jitters after the dow drops 8 points. 800 points. >> the record 10--year-old expansion may be nearing an end. >> questions boabout the fate o the economy. >> you have no choice but to vote for me because your 401(k)s, down the tubes. everything down the tubes. frlts plus taking on president trump. i'll talk to democratic candidate, beto o'rourke. >> we must take the fight directly to the source of this problem and that is donald trump. and on the right former

republican congressman who's considerering a primary challenge, focus on the growing national debt. >> you're leaning towards running? >> i would think at this point, yes. >> reporter: and his election prospects and his ability to hand alcrisis. finally power politics. the fight over congresswoman's request to visit her grandmother in the west bank. how president trump is trying to turn a support into an issue that unites republicans and divides democrats. joshua johnson, nbc news correspondent and correspondent for pbs news hour. welcome to sunday. >> announcer: the longest running show in television u.s. history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. throughout this presidency,

president trump has had one final and faithful ally, the economy. he's kou he's counted it on it to carry him to reelection. 800 points tumble on wednesday was not entirely mr. trump's doing and by friday some off that was recovered. but it can be tied to the uncertainty that has been caused by the trade war launched on china. will his supporters who have embraced of the presidency, be as forgiving if the economy falters? our new poll has the president's approval rating dipping a bit, 43%, 55% disapproving. 43% of approval sits at the lower end of the narrow trading range, rarely moving two or three points from one month to the next. before the trump presidency, american cans supported free

trade by a relatively narrow margin. now with president trump backing away from free trade, with no end in sight, american support for free trade has quadrupled. hit by a margin of 54/27. from a 10-pointed spread to a 20-point spread. and while some of those are due to democrats reflex opposing anything trump does. and president trump tries to assure supporterers. >> you have no choice but to vote for me because your 401(k)s down the tubes. everything is down the tubes. >> reporter: president trump trying to warn voters that if he loses the stock market will plummet after a week when it did on his watch. >> the dow average plummeting 3%. >> a major sell off on wall street. >> growing recessions.

>> reporter: mr. trump has banked on a strong economy. >> perhaps the greatest economy we've had in the history of our country. if our opponent vr got into office, instead of being up 62%, instead of those 40 ks are rr being up 60, 70, 80, 90%, crash. big crash. sdplrks a >> reporter: republicans arguing that for voters in 2020 it will be the economy, stupid. >> great plausparity, 50-year low unemployment. that's what i think the election is going to be aabout. >> reporter: despite olow unemployment, president trump is showing signs of alarm. rele relentlessly attacking the fed. >> if we had a fair that would lower the interest rate, we'd be off like a rocket ship. >> reporter: in announcing he

will delay the latest tariff threat on china until middecember. voters have given mr. trump his highest marks but he may have little room to grow. among 9%er who disprove of mr. trump overall but approve of his handling of the economy. 73% prefer a democratic for president. and just 5% say trump should be reelected. mr. trump who has long campaigned on intolerance for grievance, onb race. >> obviously headed up by elijah cummings. they've run baltimore into the ground. sdplr . >> reporter: and now on the politics of israel. a day after the stock market dropped over 800 points, he tweeted it would show great weakness if israeled would allow collegeresswoman talib and omar to visit. >> the things they've said,

omar, talib is disgraceful. so i can't imagine why israeled let them in. >> this is a president fuelling such visive divisiveness and treating sitting members of congress -- i don't can care what party you are in. this is wrong. >> the director of the economic counsel, mr. kudlow. let me start with what you see from the white house, the private sector seems to be concerned about particularly the trade war with china that there are some rough waters ahead, maybe a recession. that those odds have risen. what do you see? >> i sure don't see a recession. we had some blockbuster retail sales consumer numbers towards the back end of last week. really blockbuster numbers and in fact despite a lot of worries

with the stock market, most economists towards the end of the week had been marking up their forecast for the third and fourth quarter. that echoes our view. what we've got here, can consumerses are working at higher wages. they are spending at a rapid pace. they're actually saving while they're spending as an ideal situation. so i think actual the second half of the economy is going to be very good in 2019. no, i don't see a recession and let me add one theme, chuck. just one theme. we're doing petty darn well, my judgment. let's not be afraid of optimism. let's not be afraid of optimism. it's a sign of our times. and i think there's an optimistic economy going on out there. >> do you acknowledge one of the reasons businesses out there are

not spending the money that i think you thought they were going to be spending on expansion because of the concern about what's happening with china isn't that putting guardrails or small governors on this economic expansion? >> there are some positive developments, believe it or not on that front. but in terms of business spending and business investment spending, which is a key part of the economy. look a lot of the slowdowns we've seen in capital investment is temporary because oil prices dropped down. the big oil fracking and so forg was not as rapid. we're down $55/skil60 a and bar

and for consumers it's very low. we're seeing nice pick up in durable goods and manufacturing and we're also seeing now i think intellectual property k which is more than gdp 23467 that's growing at an annual rate. the consumer part of this thing, 10% at an annual rate last three months. we're going to get a plaukbuster number in the third quarter. i don't deny that energy sectorsector has slowed a wee bit and on the other hand money is flowing into the united states. we're the only game in town and i thing that's a positive development and year seeing pick up in manufacturing jobs and construction jobs as well and one last point. low interest rates which is across the spectrum, is a very good thing for housing, for

construction, for automobile sales. so low interest rates, no inflation, virtually no inflation. so i actually think it's a pretty good story. and let me echo my theme. let's not be afraid of optimism. >> you that but you said that in 2007 right before the second worst downturn in american history. this is what you wrote. there's no recession can coming. the pes middsimistas were wrong. more to come was a massive downturn. so i admire your optimism but the data is pointing in another direction. >> well, i plead guilty to that late 2007 forecast. i plead guilty. by the way every other forecaster -- >> you weren't alone. that's right. you weren't alone. >> however, just a wee bit of kudlow defense.

by february and march on cnbc i did go to the recession call. so i will plead that i did see it. i don't know that anybody saw that kind of crash. but look, this is not then. this is not then. our banks are well capitalized, our financial system is in very good shape and i must say the president is transforming and rebuilding this economy. he edeserves enormous credit. a a new policy of lower taxes and regulation and energy opening and trade reform. we didn't quite get to 3% but look, can chu look, chuck, we were a hair below 3%. we're move in the same direction and let's be honest here we've faced severe monetary tightening, seven rate hikes in 2017 and 2018. i don't think all that was

necessary. it's a miracle we're able to continue as well as we're doing. and bond rates are falling. that's good for mortgages, business and i think the federal reserve is now going to be following through lower interest rates at the low end because the bond rates have fallen and that's the way that game works and i tung that's going think t big help >> you wroelt the following. tariffs are really tax hikes. they have almost never worked as intended and almost always delivered an unhappy ending. i bring that back what you wrote together. you took the job six weeks later. with when you pulled back the tariffs earlier this week, delayed them, isn't that an acknowledge you're convincing the president that tariffs are

tax hike >> our group was referring to the steel tariffs. i think china is a very special situation and i think president trump is working hard to defend the american economy against unfair trading practices and unlawful trading practices and intellectual property theft and forced transfer of technology and so forth. china is a very special case. and we have to defend american interests whether it's farmling or manufacturing or automobiles or technology. you know this story. you've been covering it. regarding tariffs, i will say this. what president trump has taught me and others and i think there's a consensus growing by partisan consensus growing. the china story has to be changed and reformed. we cannot let china pursue these unfair and unreciprocal trading

practices. >> much appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. thank you very much. >> don't be afraid of optimism. in the wake of mass shootings in dayton, my next guest has decided to retool his campaign a bit. says he wants to refocus more forcefully on taking on president trump which will take him to places outside iowa and new hampshire. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks for having me on. >> you're elected president. you know there's many in this country want to see a tougher stance against china than has been taken in previous administrations. but a lot of people don't think this tactic is working. how would you get tough on china without impacting the urld with economy? >> you're right.

this current trade war with the president has entered our country into is not working. it is hammering the hell out of farmers across this country who do not want bailouts or pay offs. they want to be able to make a profit in what they're growing and have those markets they work withed a lifetime to create. the american consumerer understands these are a tax on them. one of the greatest tax increases on the middle class nin history of this country and so yes, we need hold china accountable. but when have we ever gone to a war, military or trade war without allies or friends and partners? let's make sure we bring our friends in the european union, canada and mexico and others and bring a united front against china to make sure they respect the rules of the road, respect our economy, our farmers and workers. that's the best possible way to come to a conclusion that benefits our economy and insures that we have a stable, global economy going forward because

i'm afraid this president is driving the global economy and our economy into recession. >> what you described was the transpacific. . basically uniting asian pacific countries, not named china into one trade pact. >> i think tpp was a great concept. i think the particulars weren't there yoet. we did not have sufficient standards for labor. including in mexico where workers are paid 40 or 50 bucks a week. if you don't have high laborer standards with those countries and enforce them. high environmental standards and for human rights, then we do not have fair trade around the world. in my administration we'll make sure they're high, enforced and that we have markets to which we can exported what we grow and make in the united states. >> let me move the your are boot.

you don't retool a campaign or reboot. if you think things are going swimmingly. you've acknowledged that you feel as if you haven't been talking fwho talking about the issue you think you should be talking about more and that's donald trump. explain what you think you'll be doing better at now? >> even before this campaign i talked about how dangerous president trump's open racism is, the mexicans as raperists and criminals. the muslims who should banned 234ru6r78 tin this country. the rise in hate crimes the last three years. the mosque burned to the ground the day he signs the executive order to ban muslim travel. but it wasn't until someone inspired by donald trump drove more than 600 miles to my home town and killed 22 people in my community with a weapon of war,

an ak-47, that he had no business owning, that no american should own unless they're on a battle field engaged with the enemy, wasn't until that moment i trul ay understood how critical this moment is and the consequence and cost of donald trump and i saw it again in mississippi where nearly 700 people working in can chicken processing plants were humiliated, hog tied for a crime of being in this country doing a job no one else will do. there is a concerted, organized attack against immigrants, against people of colorer, against those who do not look like or pray like the majority in this country and this moment will define us one way or another. and if we do not wake up to it, i'm convinced we'll lose america, this country in our sleep and we cannot allow that to happen. >> i feel this is a conundrum.

on one hand you see the president as an existential tle threat to the american story and our can culture. so it seems silly at times to debate whether there's a public option when you feel the president is a a bigger threat on other issues? is that what's made this campaign seem tonally off for the entire field at some times? >> if we don't deliver on universal, high quality health care, oen a minimum wage that's a minimum wage, on paid family leave, on those issues that restore dignity to the lives of our fellow amaericans then we have not only failed them, we have provided fertile ground for the demagogue that donald trump is, who will channel the anger and frustration in our inability to get something done against immigrants as he's done. warning of invasions and infestations and animals and

predators. having somebody say we should shoot them the crowd roars and donald trump smiles because he doesn't want you to focus on the fact you're working two or three jobs to make ends meet or that you with work in the with wealthiest country but you can't afford to take care off diabetes. yes, democrats have to address and deliver on those issues. but we have to call out the existential threat that donald trump representess right now. noto only are we going to lose more lives, i'm confident we'll lose our country and democracy the longer he stays in office. that's the urgency i'm talking about. >> i get the fact you might feel a bit boxed in campaigning in iowa and new hampshire when the questions andishingus are the same. that's still how you get the nomination. sometimes punish people that

don't campaign in the state enough. how are you going to win this in a a national campaign? >> i love campaigning in iowa. so grateful for the people i've met, the volunteers who are knocking on doors right now and i with will be back in iowa but people of iowa and this country want me to be there for everyone and not count them off because their state is last in the nominations election process. that'srapher why i was in mississippi yesterday and in arkansas, why i'm going to oklahoma later this evening. if everyone counts, we can't just say that, we have to demonstrate that. and i don't think at a time this campaign, this selection for who will be the nominee, that will be lost on the people off iowa. they care just as much as i do or the people of arkansas about making sure everyone is heard and has a seat at the table. a community that is rarely if ever visited.

i also know what it feels like when someone finally shows up and i'm going to be that candidate who shows up for everyone in america. >> the former congressman, thanks for coming on and sharing your views. be safe on the campaign trail. >> thanks. when we come back to big stories and the economy and what the drama over what congresswoman talib will. congresswoman talib will i wish i could shake your hand. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ as a doctor, i agree with cdc guidance. i recommend topical pain relievers first... like salonpas patch large. it's powerful, fda-approved to relieve moderate pain, yet non-addictive and gentle on the body. salonpas. it's good medicine. hisamitsu.

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welcome back, nbc news kor spondent and let me kick things off with another question that we asked in our new "wall street journal" poll how the president has handled the aftermath of the shootings. here they are. after oklahoma city this is eggy% approved. 84% approve.

heefrz rr katrina. everybody's memory is pretty negative. believe it or not that's 48/48. look at this. after el paso and dayton, 42%. it's been the same number after pittsburgh and after this. a majority of the can country does not like how he handles these moments it calls his leadership into question when these moments happen. peep wonder what impact has he had on really making this things happen, not how he will happenedal it. it's whether or not what you said impacted this person going to walmart and target latino shoppers and kill them. i think lacks moral credibility. that's among supporters. when i talk to white

evangelicals in the south and i say do you want your child to be like him? they always sit back and say i doemt really want to answerer that question. that's what those numbers show. even if you like president trump, you realize his bragsness and rhetoric is problematic. >> we have an idea what the president is going to do if the economy goes south. and i'm going to get to that in a few minutes. but larry can kudlow did not seem as reassuring. >> we need optimism. and there's not going to be a recession but didn't have concrete answers for how that's going to be avoided. we know the president is worried and his reelection hinges on how the economy is performing. his polls consistently show that his handling of the economy is

approved of far more than whether his general approval or any other ilgsue. and you've also seen whether it's republicans or people who hold your nose and vote for trump crowd, they've stuck with him through some of the rhetoric that they don't like because he does that but look at the economy. and what happens to those folks? do they stick with him? do they turn on him? and it's real risky for him. >> it is. i think in a merely political sense, if the economy turns down t the 2020 presidential election, it will become more brutal, more ugly. more about -- >> i'm going to get to that after this. >> three times larry kudlow said let's not be afraid of optimism. kept slamming away at that. he wanted that to be your take away. that makes me nervous.

that sounds like a thing we've decided we're putting out there. sounds like prauszparity is just around the corner. like one of those hollow things they want in a headline. boy, it's just looking a little unsteady i think economically. perhaps people are having less confidence than they've had in the last two years. >> and one thing he did not mention which is a big economic indicateer which everyone but the administration is worried about is something called the inverted yield curve. >> look at you. i'm still trying to figure out if americans know the yield sign. >> that's a very good question. the inverted yield curve says the inertest rates short term bonds are longer than long-term bonds. they're wordy about near prosperity and want tattoo be safe when they come [ yeaback years later, that is not always a sign

a recession is coming. but there are signs that val tilt is. up and down and the inverted yield curve is moving and passive investing is getting more popular than active investing. people are like let me put my money in an index fund. i with wunldonder if the indica are going to move the needle. how has he been for your economic prauszparity? and i said would you do business with donald trump and he said i get half the money first. >> you know we talked about peggy sort of eluded to this. the morning after the 800-point drop, the president decided to weigh in on what israel should do with the two congresswoman

omar and talib. that is the timeline. if the economy goes south, we know where he's going to go. cu culture war,culture war. >> we know where he's going even if the economy goes well. if you can say that you support the president despite the fact that women have said he sexually assaulted him, despite the fact he's sent racist tweets, has separated thousands of immigrant families from their children. if you can support the president and say teconomy is the reason, there's cultural war stuff speaking to you. they said i love the way the president talks about the economy and i've been telling my neighbor if you don't like this can country, leave and i've been telling him for years and here is the president saying that's okay. they also are in some way guided

by the rhetoric. that doesn't mean everybody but for many it's a diagram where they love both. >> as peggy said it's go tag get nastier when there isn't a rational of the economy. if facade is gone, you have to say what you believe. >> part of the economic problem is people who make big economic decisions are feeling insecure and part of the reason is in the white house the president has no sense that he should operate as an old, wise steady hand. he's out there tweeting and expressing and tariffing and this and that and it's all jangling what's already a jangly atmosphere. >> and stunability gets people retweet. when we come back the former republican governor and

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not soon stop mark sanford who was ousted in a primary challenge says he's inching closer to running for president because a of glow growing concern over the economy. >> i think very much ties into this. there needs to boobe a conversa about what it means oo be a republican. and the same poll that says 86% approved and for instance the latest poll, roughly half said he needs be challenged. >> what is that conversation? his character and the debt? >> more than just a debt. going back to what's happening in the economy at large in this dunt cannery. what do we believe in terms of trading?

it's been a rradical departure. why is there a departure on that front? and the topsy turfy with a fair bit of business investment is what day are we going to get? this day or that day? and business to make investment needs stability. >> you probably aren't the best vehicle for this but you're doing it -- is there a better candidate out there? >> i'm sure there is. i'm sure there are a bunchl oof them but this conversation began the day after my prime loss last week. you need the primary of the president and i'm -- >> that was the first -- >> yes. >> because of trump basically cost you your reelection. >> i said that's preposterous and crazy. but there's been a drum beat of people not crazy, very thoughtful saying we need have this conversation. >> here's what some of your former staffers and allies have

said. matt moore the former south carolina party chairman says it's almost impossible. doesn't seem like the most serious-miepded way to get back into the conversation but calls the splagsziest. splashiest. >> the idea of being a human pinata is hardly a vanity -- >> because you are. president's going to go after every one of your personal -- >> i would say no but it is a project on behalf of my four sons because the route we're on has implications in terms of the republican party and in terms of every american's ability to sustain the amare cancon dream. not only implications for now and what happens next but their wealth over time. a lot of people said run as an

independent and i'm like nox i'm a republican. the republican party has a great lineage but it's gone off the tracks off late. we have a cultural personality with odds of people who have worked for years and years. >> it's unlikely you would actually succeed in the nomination. some people with would call it rigged. you're not going to be allowed to even compete for delegates. >> you can compete for ideas. if we begin a national conversation of where are we going with unprecedented levels of spending, where are we going in terms of what comes next. if we're to have a conversation on trade and what the means and whether it's import charleston,

i think it's a needed debate and i think the more the merrier. another dozen. i'm sure there are much better candidates than i am. but we've got to have a conversation as a nation and as republicans. >> it sounds like you believe the president hasn't earned reelection yet. >> no. >> does he deserve reelection? >> i would say obecause i would argue mehe's taking us in the wrong direction. if you look at the business investment numbers they've been cratering. and nobody knows what's next in term oz of trade and what is next in terms of policy. and so i thij ank there are any number of different things -- >> you just said you don't think

you deserve reelection. but you're still going to be able to vote for him over joe biden >> everything is relative in politics. with all due respect to warren, the policies he laid out will exacerbate the problem on spending and deficit >> same thing with joe biden -- >> i've not seen him not embrace a lot of what he's talking about. the progressive wing of the democratic party is leading the charge. so i'm not seeing a great differ engsiation there. >> what would keep you from doing this? you're not saying i'm definitely doing this. labor day's around the corner. what would stop you? >> my four sons if they're decidedly against. >> at this point? >> they're mixed. er it is daunting and goes back to what we mentioned a moment ago. dredging up a lot of things they don't want to deal with and i don't want to deal with.

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back now with end game. working for him. this sounds very similar. it also could work for him in the sense it puts him in front of audiences and he gets a following. but it's not the path to the nomination. >> the idea that there's a concerted attack against immigrants and people of color in this country, that's what a lot of democratic voters want to hear. frankly, that's what democrats are going to be able to say regardless of what president trump is doing, even if the economy is going well. they can make that argument.

i almost hear him say that the issue, of course, is all the other democratic candidates are going to be doing that. the fact you have to do a reboot and it's the second or third reboot gives me pause, if anything else. >> i should say, he didn't answer your question. he told you what he's going to do, but you asked him what he's going to do better. and he did not answer that. he said the democrats are going to be focusing on delivering on health care, living wage, paid family leave, where we have provided fertile ground for a demagogue like trump. he talked about making sure allies respect the rules of the road for trade. no american should own an ak-47 unless they're on a battlefield. that can come back to him if he gets the nomination. but he didn't answer your question about how he will improve his campaign, especially because he's so far down in the polls. i do think he's building this kind of ideological base. i hate to be crass, but after the shooting in el paso, he got a lot of television time where a lot of people could kind of get his passion and his empathy and his intensity about changing the culture in america.

that might auger well for him. in terms of the nuts and bolts of the campaign, he didn't answer your question. >> i'll say this, he seemed more comfortable in his skin this time. whatever this is -- you know, so whether it works, i don't know, but he seemed more comfortable. >> well, he did. he's looking like he enjoys it. he shows up and he says things, and then he shows up somewhere else and says things. maybe it's good for him to be sort of staying home in texas. thank you for your laughter, carol. he's staying home in texas. he's not in iowa and new hampshire. i guess he's saying i'm a texas guy. it underscores that. it's fine. i mean, there's something a little compelling about him and something a little kind of inane, vapid, i'm sorry. it's a combination of things that he's got going on. so let him do his thing. maybe in the future, that'll work for someone. >> let's go to the top tier. this is a really interesting split among biden, sanders, and warren. this is just among your positive ratings, among democratic voters. we split them up, under 50, over

50. among folks under 50, it's bernie sanders with the highest positive rating, followed by elizabeth warren. look at voters over 50 among democratic primary voters. joe biden suddenly gets to 70. sanders drops to 54. warren, by the way, consistent at 61 there. yamiche, i know you've spent a lot of time covering sanders the last time. this time, that split isn't surprising. him falling behind warren is. >> it is surprising, and i've been talking to some people from both the bernie sanders campaign and elizabeth warren campaign. bernie sanders' camp is making the argument that his goal and his focus is still on joe biden, that when you poll people internally but also publicly, people say my second choice if i don't want bernie is joe biden. >> they see biden as in their way more than warren. >> they see biden as in their way more than warren. but the warren camp says, we understand there's an ideological connection there. you can hear it in their voice. they're really eyeing the bernie sanders voters.

they're also eyeing everyone else's voters because they understand they're going to need to really eat up other voters to be able to be successful. i will go back to what beto o'rourke said, which is if president trump wins, we're going to lose the country. elizabeth warren's camp would say, the country has been this way, that there are structural issues that have been at play in this country. that's the reason why we see institutional racism, why we see immigrants being able to be vilified. i think that's going to be an interesting point to make, that she's saying, i want broad, sweeping changes, but i want to understand the cultural things that are happening. bernie sanders is about broad sweeping changes and about eyeing joe biden. >> it's pretty clear that, carol, elizabeth warren won the summer. now the question is, how does she get the nomination? >> yeah, and she's consistently performed better. she gets better with every time she's out there on the campaign trail. she seems far more comfortable campaigning in her own skin than some of the other candidates. when you line her up against a biden and a sanders, she stands out. you can see why she would appeal to both people older than 50 and

younger than 50, because she's progressive and she's energetic and a new face and she's also talking about medicare for all. she's kind of got something for everyone a little bit right now. what's interesting about the numbers, biden's campaign also cites biden is second choice for berc bernie sanders voters. they see sanders is the place where they can grab votes from. they don't have an answer as much for her. >> i see it as elizabeth warren versus bernie to become the person, the leading person of the left against joe biden. i think elizabeth warren has kind of owned the summer. day by day, she just kind of made an impression. i also think she and kamala and others have done something interesting that maybe hasn't been noted, which is in a funny way, they've taken the women's issue off the table very quietly by how they dress and present

themselves. there's no more talk as there was in 2016 of glass ceilings. a reporter emailed me and said that. i thought, that's so interesting. i think that works in part for elizabeth. >> but in fairness if the senator were here, she'd say we're asking the wrong questions, that we should be focusing -- >> no matter what the question would be. >> she made a good point in terms of the detroit debate. you're always trying to pit us against one another. we need to be talking policy, the direction of the party. so maybe they can pick off some of those more centrist democrats who don't believe the party should be pulling as far left and send that herd and either one of them could go after joe biden saying, he's not facing in the direction the democratic party needs to face. >> all right. i'll pause the conversation there. thank you very much. before we go, quick programming note. tomorrow my colleague lester holt will be reporting from iran for a special edition of the "nbc nightly news." a rare inside look at the country and will talk exclusively with top officials, including the foreign minister.

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