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conference yesterday criticizing israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu who announced the travm restriction -- travel restrictions. it prompted, sorry, i don't buy representative talib's tears, i have watched her violence, craziness and words for far too long. tears, she hates israel and all jewish people. she's an anti-semite. she and her three friends are the face of the democratic party. trump resumed his attack offering this message to any voters who cast ballots for any democrats. >> i think any jewish people that vote for a democrat, i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty. all right. thank you very much, everybody. >> as "the washington post" points out, now critics on both sides of the aisle that trump's use of the word disloyalty is

anti s anti-semit anti-semitic troebs. this isn't the first time the president has spoke to jewish voters this way. trump referred to benjamin netanyahu has your prime minister, even though he was talking to republicans, actually talking to republican americans. let's watch. >> i stood with your prime minister at the white house to recognize israeli sovereignty over the goland heights. >> american republicans, of course. when he was a candidate in 2015, trump also told a jewish audience that he didn't want their money. >> i know why you're not going to support me, and you're not going to support me because i don't want your money. >> for more, i'm joined by susan wall of pennsylvania, michael steel, former rnc chairman, and eli, white house reporter for the washington times.

duel loyalty, craziness, this sounds like ed koch in the bad old days of new york city and the triable warfare. jewish voters vote 70% vote democrat. stop doing that, that would be disloyal to what, being jewish? your thoughts. >> that's exactly the question, disloyal to whom or to what, as a democratic screwish member of congress, i am personally offended and i think most jews in this country would be. we separate our faith and our politics for the most part, and to suggest that they are one in the same i find to be offensive. >> let me go to jonathan, my friend jonathan meachum because this is history at work here. often i find the older i get, i find history crashing into present time. this is awful stuff. this tells people, you must vote by identity, you must vote by

religion, a certain way, your partisanship, your politics must be by your cultural background, blah blah blah, it's a religious test. you must vote a certain way. you vote for me, someone on the democratic left, and michigan, you may not agree with israeli government politics. >> yeah, the first liberty of american life was religious liberty. it's one of our great contributions to western culture. madison and jefferson, before they got to the constitution or republic were arguing that as jefferson once put it, it doesn't matter whether my neighbor worships one god or 10 gods or 20 gods, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my neck, and that insight that in fact we could have liberty of conscience and create a republic was uniquely american, partly because of the terrible experience, and this is in the 18th century. we haven't even gotten to the 20th century horrors about this.

the insight was that the old wi dispute, and chaos and bloodshed over religious struggles, and the great project of america, however poorly realized in the beginning, the great project of america was that if you assented to the idea of the country that we're all created equal, therefore you could be in america. it didn't matter where you came from, it didn't matter if you worshipped at all. >> you know, michael, trump did this to me one time. he takes your religious background and he shoves it at you. he says how can you be pro choice, a lot of catholics are pro choice. we have our own beliefs about life, we accept the teaching authority of our church, but when it comes to the constitution we accept it. life is complicated. trump says everybody does everything according to their identity, you're not allowed to have a opinion. >> that's largely how he sees the world. this is another play in it. all i can say from this comment

is abhorrent and disrespecting as it is, we need to just settle in. this is yjust the warm up of wht will be a series of narratives created by the president around particular interest groups. you know, when you sit down and say this about the jewish community, what about african americans, what about hispanics, how they vote. >> he wants you to vote against them. >> right. >> he wants you to vote against them. >> but the jewish vote should be voting republican, and so this, i think, is something in stark contrast to what we saw in 2016 i think it's going to be more personal and a little bit more in-depth. it's going to cut to your point, chris, it's going to cut a little closer to the bone for a lot of americans when they have their religion shoved in their face and a litmus test of how they vote based on that religion. >> your thoughts about this. i think it's a front page top of the fault story tonight and tomorrow morning. it's a big story. trump using religion

politically. >> a president saying something unwittingly that's anti-semitic. >> your prime minister? >> it's also -- this is the trump presidency, it's hard to gauge what is a big story, everyone has seen him make so many stereo typical statements that are offensive to groups, loosen up, this is how people talk. i don't know what's a big story anymore and what isn't. i say that as somebody who covers this administration every day, i do think that it's clear what michael is talking about, this is a guy who wants people to look at the democratic party and see these four very progressive women of color, he wants people to see them, he wants them to see them as militant. he doesn't want them to see joe biden or some of the people running for president, and so he's going to couch that in, look, i'm standing up against anti-semitism because he's ostensibly upset over representative omar's anti-semitism, doesn't even seem to realize that he's attacking

her in a way that is just as anti-semitic. he's effectively doing the same thing, trafficking in the same sort of trope he's supposed to be upset about and saying look at this. so it just it confuses everything and it just makes everything incredibly tribal. he's like look, i'm just standing up against antistemtism. >> congresswoman, it's great to have you on. every time you have a meeting in allentown, my brother lives up there, you've got to deal with the myriad of neamerican backgrounds, there's all kinds of backgrounds in the room when you meet, you have to bring them together. it's called politics in america, unite people. this guy seems to be looking for the wedges, let's get the jews over here, let's get everybody fighting over four people on the democratic left and let's make that the fight because he can't fight anywhere near the middle lines, your thoughts.

>> you know, chris, you mentioned the voters i meet, and among them a number of american jews, first and foremost, american jews are american. like all voters, they have a wide variety of issues they care tremendously about. health care, education, jobs, making sure their retirement is secure. these are the issues that unite people across the our president has no business trying to divide people based upon their religion or tell the have to vote in one way if they are of a certain religion. being jewish is very much a cultural issue. it's not just about religion. and the president seems to fail to understand that. it is about understanding the deep important issues that affect all people in the world, but particularly in this case, in the united states.

>> what do conspiracies seem to find a home with this president, jo jon, i think it's like market volatility. who shot this, ted cruz's father had something to do with killing kennedy. get it all up in the air, completely crazy, everybody afraid of everybody else. everybody suspecting the other ethnic groups or racial groups. everybody is ready, and trump feels in that crazy 52-card pickup world he wants to live in. explain. he does think he can win with craziness around him. >> well, he did, and so that's why. >> you're right. that's a good point. >> that's why he continues to think -- i don't think it's much more complicated. he believes in the kind of chaos theory. that if we're talking about this, he can point out, oh, my god, what are we now, the lame stream media, whatever we are today. they're talking about this. they're negative and then it

gets lost in this kind of -- to go to eli o's point, it gets lo in the mad era of the trump era. i struggle with this all the time. at some point, you have to decide, do you always call him out on things and if you always call him out, are you show enabling? are we part of this abusive drama in the country right now, and the answer is we have to. because the only way to see our way through this, it seems to me, is to continue to bear witness and to say this is not who we should be. to some extent it is who we are, you know, this is a long debate. people say this isn't who we are. well, it kind of is, as you know, the country is not perfect. the goal has always been a more perfect union, but our greatest leaders and, you know, president kennedy went to houston as a candidate, and talked about this. jefferson in the beginning said his statute for religious liberty was meant, as he put it

to comprehend within the mantle of his protection, the jew, the gentile, and infidel of every denomination. he listed it all out. you have to have the freedom to do what you want to do here. that's what sets us apart. and what the president's doing is instead of figuring out what sets us apart, he's tearing us apart. >> referring to recent press coverage of his unfavorable polling numbers, trump issued a cryptic tweet, the lame stream media is far beyond fake news. they are treading in very dangerous territory. that remark referenced his tweet yesterday saying quote despite the fake news my poll numbers are great. think what they would be if i got real media coverage. there is a toaltarian -- totalitarian sound to that, what's he going to do and threatening fox because they have an honest poll.

>> this is what trump has been doing all along. there's this fog machine, and there's all these ideas that he has. everybody is out to get him. when something happens and it's happening in plain sight, he explains it away by saying the media out to get me or the deep state, the fbi, the justice department, he is always the victim when something rises up in reaction to his behavior. you know, he hires people who are doing things that need to be investigated and then he says look, i told you it's the deep state. he's lying and delivering false statements all the time. the media is in a fact checking poeg pose. there's the self-fulfilling prophesy, a lot of behaviors and actions are provokie responses. he paints everything with that brush. >> it's you, congresswoman. you're a congresswoman now because the voters elected you in the last election, that's a fact trump doesn't want to face.

all you new members from the suburbs around philly, was a sweep as you know, all women, i think, and you won because people wanted a change from trump. that's a fact. you are a fact. >> that's exactly right. >> to put it bluntly. >> i think, frankly, i think the president is trying very hard to be a distractor in chief. he wants to distract us from the fact that last year, the house majority was created by a whole lot of people who were elected from districts like mine. front line districts, very purple districts, and equal number of democrats, republicans, and healthy dose of independents thrown in, and that's deeply concerning, i think, to the president and that's why he is resorting to division politics. i mean, he is literally trying to keep his head above water by dividing us as much as possible, and i think jon is absolutely right. we have to call him out on this every single time because we can't have a president who doesn't recognize the role of

the president to be a uniter. and that's what we really need and that's -- and i tell you that my democratic caucus, that i'm part of, is very much united in many many ways. and the voters who voted us in last year care about issues that are important to every american person. it doesn't matter whether they're jewish or christian or other. it is, you know, they are the issues i mentioned before, health care, education, jury bobo box -- jobs, those are the things we're focused on. all he wants to do is talk about things that divide us. >> there's a long respected leader of jewish republicans, matt brooks, this guy has the job of helping get votes, republican votes in the community, which generally votes democrats, when is he going to deal with this baby, this assault on religious identity and trying to claim you must vote your group? >> you already had the

republican jewish group come out and sort of back the president up. you're going to have reinforcements that way. >> what else is he going to do, what can he do, the reality is trump has consistently put the party in a position where it has to defend the indefensible, to a point where it is so weak kneed, it has no other choice but to stand next to him, and go uh-huh, what he said. the reality for us politically on the right, on the republican side, going into next year's election is that now you've got one more group, one more, you know, community of individuals that's going to make that conversation much much harder to get their vote for our candidate. >> all i hear is gunfire on 5th avenue, he keeps shooting people on 5th avenue and getting away it. susan wild, congratulations on representing wonderful allentown, and those wonderful places in pennsylvania. john meachum, thank you so much.

eli, our great reporter here, we need one objective reporter here. trump's big problem with women voters. wait until you hear these numbers. women make a major shift from the president. plus a report says trump, oh, you'll love this phrase, moving on from his concern about gun violence, moving on. isn't that nice? families can't move on, when they have been victimized. they can't move on. after calling for tougher background checks for a week or so. trump is now parroting in, the national rifle association talking points, tough for gun law, a slippery slope. what do you think he got that from, wayne, much more ahead, stay with us? ahead, stay with us inspire us. the way you triumph over adversity. and live your lives. that's why we redesigned humira. we wanted to make the experience better for you. now there's less pain immediately following injection. we've reduced the size of the needle

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we did great with women. and i think we're going to do better with women now. >> maybe with a couple of them. i'm just kidding but that was president trump bragging earlier in year about his support among women vote skpers how -- voters and growing in stronger support. exit polls show that trump trailed hillary clinton among women voters by 13 points. well, here comes the really bad news, the latest nbc "wall street journal" poll finds a huge drop from the 13% deficit. the president trails women by 32, look at that, 2-1 among registered. this isn't just adult women. this is registered serious voters when they were asked if they would vote for the president or an eventual democratic nominee. joined by christian hahn, aaron blake, senior political report for the "washington post." thank you so much, let me ask you about this. does it click with you, why? >> the number we're talking was striking, the noncollege

educated women just plummeted in support for trump. i think it's because they relate, you know, on a more intimate level, talking about, you know, particularly college aged women with children, right, so we saw in the midterms that women, college educated and non-college educated, you know, with children, just, they were hearing the rhetoric and what trump was saying. >> when he got elected not doing that badly, 13 point receive sit among women, he had -- deficit among women, he had access hollywood, affairs with women in show business, he was involved with them, paid them off. everybody knew the grossity. we have watched him. was this a dam that was going to break. 13 point deficit to 32 points. >> obviously when we look at one poll, we want to say does this show up in other polls. i looked at a poll by fox news, a bad one for the president, maybe his worst general election

numbers of the early 2020 campaign cycle and i found that while maybe it was not as pronounced, it was very pronounced and specifically, not just among women, but among less educated women, women who did not have college degrees and that goes against the narrative a little bit. the idea is that his comments about squad and things like that maybe are going to alienate those suburban, more educated women voters, but the fact that this is now potentially alienating less educated voters, working class white voters. >> why do you think? >> i think there are two explanations. in 2016, this was maybe easier for them to look past because it was a change election, he was the change agent. if they wanted to mix things up in washington, he was the person they went to. that was one reason. the other thing is, i think a lot of them perhaps thought -- >> he wanted the bull in the china shop. >> the other thing is, you know, if maybe they thought along with that, and that's part and parcel to that is maybe once he gets in office some of the stuff starts to change. obviously it didn't change in the first year, it didn't change

in the second year. now it's even ratcheting up even more. you wonder now that he's no longer the change agent if that's going to be a teal breaker. >> suburban women, voting in 2020, the president's turn to racial politics has them waivering in their support for them -- wavering in their support for him. women in critical suburbs, all expressed dismay or worse at trump's racially polarizing insults and unpresidential treatment of people, even some that gave him credit for the economy acknowledged they were troubled or uncomfortable lining up behind him. this is my experience growing up in suburbs around philly, people may have been part of white flight, may have left the big cities because of the socioeconomic, racial changes if you will, but they do not want to be called racist. they don't tell their kids, they taught their kids that it's an awful thing to use bad words, it's awful to think like that. i don't think they want to be

known as supporting a racist candidate. >> and it's gotten worse and worse, and you talked about a dam breaking and i think that may be what's happening here. these numbers like you said, the fox news poll, "the washington post" abc news poll, and this poll all showed the same thing, and that was women who weren't college educated, their support of trump is falling. >> you're trump in the white house, maybe not watching this show, but watching these numbers. are there enough angry white guys. i keep going back to that, because that's all you got, you got to find new ones, you didn't have enough last time. >> the same poll, the fox news poll and "washington post" abc news poll, it's not even just women departing him. if you look at noncollege educated white men, they are going for him stronger than any of the other groups but not by nearly the same margins as in 2016 when it was about a 50 point margin. if he loses women to some degree, he needs to pick up that support with men and at least the polls we are seeing right now are not showing anywhere close to that. >> the only way he wins is by declaring the democratic party

too far left. >> or bringing his opponent down to his level. that's what happened in 2016. we talk about the 2016 election like it was some miracle. it was simple. he brought hillary clinton down so she was as unpopular as he was. if he doesn't do that, he's going to have a -- >> i'm told that last time, if they didn't like either candidate, hillary or trump, they would vote for trump because he was the newbie. >> or stay home. >> and this time, the democrat, whoever it is, they're going to vote for the new one, same deal. >> i question that a little bit. i mean, i get the logic there, but i'm concerned that, okay, this poll is trump against a generic democrat. when you're answering that question, you get to, who am i thinking about as that generic democrat. if we elect somebody that's too far left that does not reflect the electorate that we saw elect a democratic house in november,

last november, then we have a really great shot at losing those women. they stay home or they vote for trump. >> dukakis as a generic democrat would have won. john kerry, they didn't win when people got to know them. >> to that point about how trump won the people who didn't like both candidates, the poll we were talking about, the fox news poll last week tested this question, and they found people who disliked both joe biden and donald trump went for joe biden by 43 to 10 margin. >> by the way, trump has got a deeper hole to dig out of it. thank you, kristen hahn, aaron, thanks for your reporting. president trump is reportedly losing interest in gun control, big surprise, two weeks after the latest mass shootings. he doesn't care about guns a week after the event itself because that's when the headlines change. he's moving on as they say at the white house. what about the families of the victims, they can't move on. i'm going to talk to one of those family members, surviving family members. you're watching hardball. iving family members

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welcome back to hardball, the daily beast reporting that the president has launched interest in passing gun control measures in the wake of the mass shootings earlier this month. this is from the white house. he started to move on. if it were up to the president, he would do background checks today. that's not how it works. he loses patience quickly. that's somebody speaking for the president.

here's what the president himself had to say about background checks today. >> we have very very strong background checks right now. but we have sort of missing areas and areas that don't complete the whole circle, and we're looking at different things and i have to tell you that it is a mental problem, and i've said it a hundred times, it's not the gun that pulls the trigger, it's the person that pulls the trigger. >> and when he was asked if he would support the background bill the democratic house has passed this year, he brought up the fact this his supporters believe in the second amendment. >> we are in very meaningful discussions with the democrats and i think the republicans are very unified, we are very strong in the second amendment. the democrats are not strong at all in the second amendment. i would say they're weak on the second amendment and we have to be careful of that. the democrats would, i believe, i think they would give up the second amendment, and the people that -- a lot of the people that put me where i am are strong

believers in the second amendment and i am also and we have to be very careful about that. you know, they call it the slippery slope and all of a sudden everything gets taken away. we're not going to let that happen. >> slippery slope is an often repeated nra talking point to explain why no gun control measures ever get accepted. the president spoke with nra chief executive wayne lapierre on the phone. and joined by fred gutenberg, father of jamie gutenberg killed in the parkland shooting, orange ribbons for jamie, father of a daughter. i can't imagine what you have been through. what do you think of this president and his move on notion that he has lost interest. it seems to be a pattern with him. i'll say the right things for a week, and fly back in the loving arms of the nra. >> when you listen to the totality of what he said today,

first, i'm a jewish person, loyal, some will say i'm smart and will not vote for this president. and i hope jewish people join me in condemning what he did, he incites violence, and what he did today with his arguments against gun safety, that's who he is, he's a liar, okay. when america was at its weakest, he he said, i'm listening, i hear you, i'm going to work with you. give it a week or two, he moves on. he did the same thing after parkland. it's who he is, he's a liar, he can't be taken seriously. it is the reason why this current occupant of the white house cannot be dealt with on serious issues. we need to focus on mcconnell. if we want to get anything done on this issue, put the pressure on mcconnell. >> the president has promised to tackle background checks before only to drop the idea once the mass shooting that precipitated his apparent interest faded from

the news cycle. he's what he told parents of the parkland victims a week after that horrible shooting down there. >> we're going to do something about this horrible situation that's going on. and we're going to figure it out together. i want to listen, and then after i listen, we're going to get things done. >> mr. gutenberg, i think of the president as a flight risk. every time he says all the right stuff then splits town. it's usually about a week to ten days, he figures the american front page will be on this issue. the minute it's on the top of the fold, front page, he goes over and like i said to the loving arms of wayne lapierre, reciting the stuff they have been putting out since dawn of mankind. >> he had them memorized. >> we're heading towards getting rid of guns, we've got more guns than people. a lot more guns than people. so many semiautomatic rifles and assault rifles, you can't deal with them anymore. >> you call it a flight risk and

i call it pathological. he used the one argument that drives me crazy today and it's the slippery slope. it is the ultimate nra talking point. slippery slope depends on where you stand. i'm going to give you my version of a slippery slope. my daughter was born in 2003. in 2004, the ban on assault weapons was lifted. in 2005, the federal government put it in place, a law called p placa which removed the ability to hold gun manufacturers accountable. over the years since, you have it stand your ground laws and other laws who made it easier for those who intend to kill to have weapons and they're doing it to the point of the slippery slope getting to 40,000 victims a year. that's a slippery slope. wanting to do something about it, and wanting to defeat these people, and wanting to get wayne lapierre out of the president's ear, and back to the expensive ranch that the nra was going to buy for him is simply wanting to be responsible and fix this. >> what do you feel like as a

victim, a father, and what do you feel about the country because it's not just the nra, and the guys who grab the dues paying money, but the people that embrace this organization and embrace what they call, they seem to love the second amendment more than any of the other amendments i have noticed, but what do you think of these people? >> you know what, listen, i'm a supporter of the second amendment. i have family members who own guns. i have friends who own guns. this is not a second amendment issue. bullets don't know if you love the second amendment or you don't. they don't know if you're republican or democrat. they know if they hit you they're likely to kill you, so it's a moronic argument that it's intended to keep things the way they are, and on that, there's no chance we can be okay with that. people are dying. i have said it on other interviews but while i'm sitting here talking to you, there's someone learning they're a victim of gun violence. someone got done burying a victim of gun violence, and someone planning a funeral of a

victim of gun violence. they're wrong. this is not a second amendment conversation, this is protecting our rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. i'm optimistic, if you look at florida, the one person who ran statewide on gun safety, nicky freed, she won. if you look across the country, we flipped the house on it had issue, and mitch mcconnell get ready because we're going to flip the senate on this issue as well. you are about to be fired sir. >> thank you so much. it's a great honor to have you on. and if you don't mind me saying so, you're doing everything for the memory of your daughter. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> i mean it. third democratic debates coming on. we're hoping it's enough for one night. we don't want two nights anymore. biden locking down the moderate lane, which is best to take over the progressive left lane. that's the big fight over there. we're dgoing to talk about it when we come back. elizabeth versus bernie, you're watching hardball. elizabeth versus bernie, you're watching hardball. or fun?

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welcome back to "hardball", a new national poll by cnn shows former vice president joe biden pulling well ahead of the democratic field to double digits. 29% of democrats say they prefer the vice president. that's a 7 point increase for biden since june. late this afternoon, biden was asked about his standing in the polls. here's what he had to say. >> i've said from the beginning, these polls will go up and they'll go down. i've got to come out here and earn the support of these people. i've got to let them know what i care about. and this campaign should be about the future. >> well, support among voters for senator bernie sanders and senator elizabeth warren remains unchanged since june with sanders holding at 15%, warren at 14. too close to call there. senator kamala harris's support has changed. look at this, dropping 12 points to just 12. she went from 17 in june. what happened there.

meanwhile, julian castro, former house housing and urban development secretary said he was qualified now. the ten that are going to be on the stage together. tom steyer and tulsi gabbard are on the cusp of qualifying. august 28th, which is the cutoff date, coming up soon. next month's debate could be the first time if you like excitement. biden and warren will be on the same stage. making big strides in her effort. seems to be eating his lunch every day. that's next. you're watching "hardball." chair is just a chair. that a handle is just a handle.

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join the fight with the alzheimer's association. welcome back to "hardball", with five months until the iowa caucuses a new poll by morning consult shows elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are running neck and neck with very liberal voters, fighting for the left lane in the battle for the left plank or the left flank of the democratic party, vying to become the progressive rest alternative to the moderate joe biden, seems to own that moderate lane. and danielle moody mills, siriusxm host. let me start with ginger and go to danielle. biden seems to have a default position somewhere around 30. bernie and elizabeth tends to be, and we call them by their first names. we know them so well now. we think we do.

they are sort of dividing up the antibiden vote or non-biden vote. if one drops out, look out joe. that's my thinking. >> i think this is getting to the heart of the democratic primary debate process. do you want the guy that feels stable and safe or do you want something that feels revolutionary and new. and really elizabeth warren has gained the support by being sort of the nerdy candidate with all of the policies. the challenge to her now is convincing people to vote for her who aren't voting for just her policies. >> aren't there enough progressive left people? >> i don't think there are. look at the numbers, when you see that joe biden's got 30% of the decided democratic electorate, that means there aren't enough people, and look at the cnn poll, the most interesting number in that poll was the division on age about whether they cared more about electability. >> how do you explain that. younger people tend to be more ideological in their bearing. older people tend to be let's see what happens, i want the one who's going to win. >> and there's an idea there

needs to be a return to calm. i hear that so much when i talk to voters on the trail. for them it's a short-term question, and for younger people it's a long-term question. >> how much of this is we want a designated driver to get us home tonight, and that would be joe biden. designated driver, no excitement, he's sober. he'll be at the wheel, and get us home. we'll be safe in our bed at night. how much of that is his appeal. >> i don't know if it really is joe biden's appeal or it's the appeal of nostalgia that he's trying to conjure up. i have said this before, joe biden is like a comforter. he's like america's safety blanket and everybody wants wrap themselves up in it because you have been beaten up and bruised by donald trump. the reality is when you look at his policies and what he has to offer, he has to offer more of the same, and to your point. >> more of the same of who? >> more of the same for the moderate middle, i'm going to work across the aisle. he said over the weekend there are an awful good amount of republicans, and i'm asking him where, where are the good republicans, because they haven't stood up against trump.

>> if you've got a senate that's roughly 50/50 democrat and republican how else do you deal without dealing with the other side. >> chris, mitch mcconnell is the grim reaper, he doesn't want to deal. he wants no republicans? >> he doesn't want a deal, he wants no deal. >> you have to find a way, and i've said this before, you have to find a way to work around mitch mcconnell. if it looks like executive orders, if it looks like rallying people. >> how do you deal a whole new health care plan by executive order? how do you do student loans with executive order? >> we have to do what nancy pelosi did. we have to go to the people. the people are the ones that have to be -- >> i'm sorry, i'm going back to numbers. they had 60 democrats in the senate including ted kennedy. that's how they got health care through. they had the numbers. >> we have to go through the -- you see people are organizing

all around the world right now. they are saying that they have had enough of these regimes and people need to be organized. i just don't think that joe biden conjures that kind of action that are going to get people into the streets. >> that's your opinion. anyway, the biden campaign launched its first campaign tv ad in iowa. >> the stakes are higher, the threats are more serious. we have to beat donald trump, and all the polls agree joe biden is the strongest democrat to do the job. no one is more qualified. now joe biden is running for president with a plan for america's future. to build on obamacare, not scrap it. to make a record investment in america's schools, lead the world on climate, rebuild our alliances. most of all he'll restore the soul of the nation. battered by an erratic vicious president, strong, steady, stable leadership. >> just yesterday biden's wife

jill dr., jill biden made a similar pitch in new hampshire. >> i know not all of you are committed to my husband, and i respect that but i want you to think about your candidate, his or her electability and who's going to win this race. but if they're consistent and they're consistently saying the same thing, i think you can't dismiss that. >> that's amazingly not defensive. it's amazingly generous to the other way of thinking. you may not luke my husband's health care plan, you may not like this or that but you have to take him. >> i think the bidens collectively are making the argument this is the best case scenario, he will bring the best case scenario. last night in northern virginia

he told the crowd if it's not me i'll fight for another person. they're trying to be pragmatic. they think there's a pragmatic piece of america that wants to see him. >> i've been seeing what looks like a winning success by elizabeth warren. i see her moving relentlessly to the top. i think she'll pass trump at a certain point in iowa. i just see her going in that direction. is that something you think will be good for the progressive side? >> absolutely. i think elizabeth warren has been the only candidate in this race that has been on a steady incline since she's announced. she has a plan for everything, she's looking at the full picture and she's saying we have to take on wall street, we have to adjust our health care plans, we have to understand the racial health care gap through the eyes of white supremacy. we have to do these big, bold

things. and she said in the last debate if you're going to run for president why are you going to tell me about all the things you can't do. she is a can-do candidate and i think she's going to over take bernie sanders. she's the progressive we need to be watching right now. >> thank you so much. >> coming up next, what about er ere eric garpder in that case in new york? garpder in that case in nw york ♪ ♪

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look at the front pages of today's new york tabloids. on the left is the new york daily fuse and look at the headline. and on the right is the new york post. look at that headline. both headlines believe it or not had the same story. an officer fired from a police officer of new york's finest. this might be as close as we'll get to justice in this case. it's a measure of our system that both sides disagree about the outcome. here's what new york police commissioner james o'neil said yesterday. >> today's a day of reckoning but can also be a day of reconciliation. we must move forward together as one city, determined to secure safety for all new yorkers and every police officer working daily to protect all of us. >> and here's the daughter of the man who was killed, emerald

snipes garn. >> eric garner was killed five years ago. it took five years for the officer to be fired. >> let's look at history. we all read in school about the boston massacre and the fair trial given to those british soldiers. the trial occurred because a man of conscience john adams took the case as a soldier defense attorney and the boston jury delivered a just if complicated verdict. and there we laid down the principle all including the most unpopular defends get a fair trial. i have a simple rule in these cases that are fraught so much with history and loyaltiy and race. and let's be honest real human conflict. it's to realize every case is different, the facts are different, the motives are different. the human fact always present is different. even when it comes, it is rare received with joy as in this case of eric garner's death.

as we see in these two warring headlines there they are again judging by some as too harsh, as others dreadfully too late in coming, but we have to try for justice. and by the look of this case people truly tried. and that's "hardball." thanks for being with us. tonight on "all in." >> i think any jewish people that vote for a democrat. >> the trump campaign of division leads to more substraction. >> i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or disloyalty. >> my administer view with a republican who resigned after the group endorsed donald trump. then -- >> kashmir is a very complicated place. >> is this the man the world needs mediating a standoff between two nuclear powers? >> you have the hindus and you have the muslims and i wouldn't say they get along