headlines are about indefinite attention of migrant families rolling back protections from the late '90s. the nra getting results they wanted after one phone call with the president, cancellation with the president's trip to denmark because they don't want to sell green land and the president's use of a vintage antis-semitic trope captured during one moment on the electronic front page of the times which by design changes all day and all night and every time another fuselage comes our way. with that, that is our broadcast for this wednesday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. rs headquarters here in new york. this hour, it was so hot to begin with. and then the increase in hot air in the immediate vicinity, was so rapid, so relentless that at least one reporter's cell phone

just up and passed out. 2 wasn't that the battery died, the phone died from heat exhaustion. this was jennifer jacobs at bloomberg. that sweaty gaggle lasted more than 40 minutes. one reporter's cell phone auto shut down due to the hot temperature. midway through trump's remarks? the ambient heat and humidity was bad enough. after all that talking. one reporter's phone goes into auto shut down mode. that happens to me too. not just my phone, it happens to me, me as a person. they don't do press briefings at the white house anymore. like normal ones with the press secretary and being being allowed to sit down inside the briefing room. those are gone now in the trump era, what they've replaced regular press briefings with is this new system where the president likes to yell things at reporters over the rotor wash from a nearby helicopter. he does it without warning whenever he feels like it.

today the president held a long one of these. one of the ones where he tried to push everyone's buttons, the president is denouncing the prime minister of our allied denmark. he's calling her nasty. that will get some headlines. the president attacked american jews for a second straight day today, saying they have dual loyalty because they're jews. americans of other religions don't have that dual loyalty or his suspicions of dual loyalty, jewish-americans do, because of their religion. the president today called himself the chosen one, literally he said that about himself, i am the chosen one, which was particularly nice after what he said about the jews, and after he retweeted someone who called him the king of israel. the president today once again said he plans to stay in office longer than two terms, he plans

to stay another 10 or 13 years, who knows. the president today reversed himself on background checks for guns. after he reversed himself on that yesterday. and he reversed himself on it the other way on that a few days previous. he reversed himself today on a made up tax cut that he may do. might not do, might do, might not do, ask me again tomorrow. and so i am sorry for the auto shutoff of the reporter's phone in that heat today while the president talked and talked and talked and talked and talked. but you know what, maybe that phone is trying to tell us something? if the president's words are not at all a reliable indication of whether something that he's attesting to is in fact true, when his words even about his own opinions and his own plans and his own actions are likely to be rendered moot by the very next thing he says on the subject. the very next time he addresses it? he's more likely than not to

contradict himself entirely even when only talking about himself, if the purpose of the president even talking to reporters screaming over the helicopter noise is just to have the attention of those reporters, so his otherwise sort of meaningless words will get conveyed. when his words are conveyed to the american people, that results in the american people having less information and not more. why do we do this? i mean, then, maybe it is time to go into auto shutoff mode from the heat. from the hot air at least. the headline at politico's daily newsletter today was one of those things where i shouted at my computer screen, yes, finally, their lead headline today for their lead story running down all the ways the president has instantly contradicted himself over the last few days, on every conceivable subject.

their headline was the case for tuning out the white house. as we've been putting it here on the show for a few months now. watch what they do, not what they say. >> and i think this is a well earned mantra for this most unusual presidency. at this show, we have tried to follow this as best we can, as a general rule from the very first indications we had, that they were always lying to us, every time they talked. every time they put someone on tv, including on this show. every time they were asked for comment it was always always always untrue. even though i believe that this is the correct way to treat this administration with all my heart, i have to also say, though, as a citizen, this is a weird principle, right? it is awkward to not feel like it's appropriate or responsible to pay attention to anything that is said by the white house or specifically by the president. i mean, i know this president does deserve that treatment.

but it's also hard, because there is only one president of the united states. and so telling yourself that in order to be responsible about the news and what's going on in our country, you have to ignore everything he says, it's just weird. imagine having a president again where when he or she says a thing, that's a good reason to believe that thing is true. or that thing will come to pass. or that's an adequate reflection of the president's true feelings or plans or actions. because the president said so, and, therefore, you can take it to the bank. i mean, we've had that with good and bad presidents in the past. we might have that again some day in the future, if this particular presidency hasn't broken the institution entirely. well, tonight after a particularly round the bend barking at the moon day of craziness from the trump white house. tonight on this show we're going to do two things, we're going to

report on what they're doing, not what they are saying. some of what they're doing today is truly startling, we have one of the lawyers here tonight who i think is likely to stop this new latest trump policy from ever going into effect. a new policy, that involves locking up immigrant kids, we're going to be talking about that. tonight we're also going to be talking to one of the democrats who has spent these last few months vying with 20 or so other members of his own party to try to replace this president. jay inslee launches his presidential candidacy this year, saying the purpose of his campaign was climate change. he has aggressively put the issue of climate forward as the center of his message, the center of his campaign as what he says ought to be the center of what the democratic party as a whole is offering the country right now. jay inslee's pitch was basically, not just him, but all the democratic candidates ought to be running on climate.

but his campaign has not ended up being like a one note john cage symphony. inzly has been in there throwing pushes on everything. climate yes, but also everything, including the current president. >> greatest geo political threat to the united states right now. >> the biggest threat to the security of the united states is donald trump. i am proud to stand up for unions. >> i'm the candidate who has the strongest gender pay equity laws in the united states. i'm a person who has pardoned thousands or offered pardons to thousands of people for marijuana convictions, i have a streak of justice and accomplishment that i think is unique in this field, and i think prepared me to be the next president of the united states.

>> for decades, we have kicked the can down the road on climate change. and now under donald trump, we face a looming catastrophe. but it is not too late. we have one last chance. and when you have one chance 234 life, you take it. >> i think we're missing two central statements we need to make. number one, we can no longer allow a white nationalist to be in the white house, number one. and number two. we have to make america what it's always been, a place of refuge. we got to boost the number of people we accept, i'm proud of in the first governor saying, send us your syrian refugees. i'm proud to be the first one to stand up to donald trump's muslim ban. i'm ready for november 2020. joining us now for the interview tonight is governor jay inslee, it's great to have you here. >> thank you.

>> that was like a little lily pad tour of what americans are seeing from your tour. >> i appreciate being called a fraud in the race. >> well, it's very, this is your life. you are here tonight to make some news? >> i am. this show has been so good to me, this is sort of the book ends of my campaign. we started saying climate change had to be the number one job in the united states. i felt good saying that the first days of my campaign. i feel very good saying that now. the reason is, this has become more urgent. a billion tons of ice melting in greenland at the end of the day, we've also had so many people inspiring, who want us to act, who have helped me. 130,000 people help me in this campaign. it's become clear i'm not going to be carrying the ball, i'm not going to be president. i've been fighting climate change for 25 years, and i've never been so confident of the ability of americans to move the

ball. i believe we are going to have a candidate to fight this battle, and aspire to the people i've met across the country, the young people in the sunrise movement, the climate strikers, these people give me confidence i can move ahead. >> do you feel like the entry that you made into the race saying -- and you -- i mean, looking back at your launch video today, you were like, let me keep it completely clear, people are going to call me a one note candidate, yes, that's what it's about, by being so aggressive on that one point. even with you getting out of the race now, do you feel like, to a certain extent you did put this more on the agenda, you did cause other candidates to be more aggressive on this. >> i don't think there's any question about that, we've had real success in the effort. we've proposed a real plan, a robust plan that will get us off fossil fuel. >> a multipart plan. >> absolutely. >> you did the first part of your climate plan, then the

second part, the third part, the fourth part. it's more than a road map, it's an atlas. >> it's a governing doctrine, not a campaign slogan. it's open source. whoever a nominee can use that, i think we started an arms race of candidates, to see who can raise their ambition level. i think we've now advanced the dialogue to have debates. look i hope the party is going to have the debate, they're going to vote on that tomorrow. your networks are going to have a forum. we've done something else i think, we've given people hope. the grassroots has responded to this message. i mentioned we had a big boost to support, 42,000 people help us, since i finally got to talk about it in the second debate. i don't think there's any question that we have had success moving the needle and so i think this is a positive experience. >> is there a particular other candidate who is still in the

race who you feel like has a bangup climate plan. someone you feel very confident in. do you feel like you were way out ahead of your competitors? or is there someone you can endorse specifically on this issue tonight. in terms of knowing what to do and how to do it? >> my plan has been called the gold standard. it has meaningful ways to make sure we get off kolbe a certain date. and we need to accomplish those things, i'm going to help all the other candidates raise their level of ambition on this, to get to my level, and i'll be encouraging to do that. i hope others will encourage folks as well. this is a dynamic prosets, i think people are going to approve. these forms are going to be required to compel to come forward and show us the real plan you have, all of us can play a role in this, i believe we will have a candidate to remove the climate denier from the white house, and i'm going to be there with them. we're going to be a unified party. >> is there somebody you are planning to endorse early in the process, is there someone you want to throw your support to

now, conversely? is there anybody who's still in the field right now who you think you might not be able to support if they ult 3459ly get the nomination? is there anybody you're not comfortable with in interprets of you potentially working to elect them? >> no, i'm going to support the democratic nominee. >> no matter who it is? >> 100%. i'm not endorsing a candidate tonight. i think a number of them have intriguing ideas, but we need all of them to raise their game. here's the reason. you can argue with politicians but you can't argue with science. the science is clear. when you have siberia on fire, which it is today. you have heat waves, it's 108 in paris. when we landed in miami for the debate you moderated, 40,000 acres of a swamp was on fire. we can't argue with science, we're going to ask all the candidates to raise their game, i'm going to help them, you're

going to help them, we're going to beat donald trump and beat the climate crisis, i feel good about that. >> let me ask you a little bit -- because you just with drew from the race, you may be able to speak your mind about what this is like. you said pointedly at the second debate, i was able to say what i meant on climate change. i was at the first debate, do you feel we didn't give it proper attention? >> i think we truly need a climate centered debate, this is a complex issue, this involves mobilizing the entire united states economy. you can't do that in just 60 seconds for all the candidates to have 60 seconds or 120 seconds. >> i don't think the dnc is going to do it, though. they haven't said they're going to do any issue focused debates. >> call your dnc tonight. but your forum is going to be productive, and it's going to be helpful. this is a complex issue. and we need to require the candidates to step up to the

plate and show us what they got. if they do that, good things are going to happen, and i think that's going to happen across the country. >> what do you think of this gigantic field of all your colleagues you're running with. i think there's still roughly 20 people in the running. i think 10 people so far qualified for the next debate. a question as to whether or not you were going to get there in the next debate in polls. you were going to get there in terms of fund-raising. is the gigantic field helpful in terms of the process. in articulating the kind of stuff you want to get out there? >> no, i think we're going to be fine ultimately. this is difficult from my perspective. once we got a real climate message in the second debate, we had a huge burst of support, we had 32,000 people in three weeks send us support. in my case it broke a little late to be able to catch up and get the polling to where it

needed to be. i believe we're going to be fine. i'm encouraging people to be active as much as we can, i think we're going to have one. unity is going to be the central message of the democratic party, we have to beat donald trump. we have to be unified. i'll make some decisions later in the race, but right now my job is to help people raise their vision statement. >> if anyone asks you to be their running mate, will you say yes? >> i will have some statements tomorrow about my intentions. >> you will have statements tomorrow about your intens? >> we want to keep you on suspense. i need to go back to the state of washington and talk about what i'm going to do in my future political career. tomorrow maybe i can talk to you more about that. >> i'm going to press you anyway. you could run for governor again in the great state of washington. >> right. >> presumably you are considering whether or not you're going to do that. >> i'll make a statement tomorrow. >> it's very close to tomorrow. >> the great state of washington does a great job. >> i'm starting to get a hint. do you think given what you were just saying about the debate process, given the size of the field, what you've been through?

you are a free man, can you now speak with absolute oneness about this process? >> thank you very muc. >> thank you very much. >> not like -- do you think that other people should get out now. would that be helpful in terms of the democratic party unifying stopping the process of tearing each other down enough to build each other up more toward the general? are you happy for as many people as possible to stay in as long as possible? >> it's an individual decision. i hope they will make it based on what's good for the country. i've made a decision tonight that i'm not going to be the nominee. there are other avenues for me to be very effective at pushing the climate change message. tomorrow i will talk about an avenue in that regard. i hope people make a decision what they think is good for the country. and i think we'll be fine as a party. people have had a belly full of what has gone on. you talked about that today at the top of your show. we need to get to the business of unifying the party, i believe we will do that. i'm not full of anxiety about this, i'm full of hope, confidence and climate change.

when you meet people around the country who are designing the new businesses and hiring the new people for new jobs and the young people who are kicking the old people in the fanny and saying, get off the dime and do something, this is a time we should be optimistic and confident. i think that's a winning strategy. >> one of the things that has been this weird background music in the presidential campaign all along has been that when you ask democratic voters right now, what do you most care about, you get all sorts of interesting answers on policy. particularly with young people. and you know, health care is definitely an issue, immigration is definitely an issue, the soundtrack to this campaign for democratic voters all over the country is that they want somebody who can beat donald trump. >> right. >> and that's what you'll get more than you'll get any one policy volunteer. even with the kind of passion you're describing in your issue and others. >> yeah. >> i wonder from this perspective, having just made this decision about your role in national politics.

what's your take on that is that imperative, i've said to am -- democratic voters or republican, your job in the primary is to not -- you're not making a final decision, you're participating in a group decision about who you like the best. vote your heart. when it comes to a gaming it out decision about the right thing for other people later, save that for the general election. vote your heart in the primary, your head in the general. democrats are trying to vote their head in the primary right now. they just want someone who can win. i feel like it's frustrating, i don't know what to do about it. what's your take on that? >> i'm with you on this. if we knew who was the most electable against donald trump, maybe it would make sense to make i decision just on that basis. there's no way of knowing, this is an unpredictable process, we don't know how the general electorate will behave, each candidate has certain strengths that may emerge to become important. in my decision, i'm going to decide someone who i believe can be a credible president who will be the most effective of things that i think are the most

important. i've made it very clear in my view we have the most important issue that faces us, is the climate change crisis, because a lot of the things we can do maybe next year, this is not one of them. this is the one we have to make at the top as the first order of business, i'm going to look for a candidate who will be most effective, you know there's a lot of other things i care about, first one against the muslim ban. gender pay equity. a lot of things i care about but this is something that cannot wait, so i'm going to look for a candidate that i think can be the best president, that can lead the nation in this direction, i hope others will join me, and they will beat donald trump. i'll tell you why. he demonstrated where he was weakest last thing. he did a tell. he showed us where he's weakest, because he came out and said, i'm an environmentalist. why would someone say something so ridiculous and unbelievable? the reason is, because he knows

that's his weakest point, people distrust him the most on environmental issues. i think we should attack him at his weakest point. we need to find that candidate, drive him right down the middle. i'm looking forward to that candidate. >> governor jay inslee, the governor of washington tonight declaring he's withdrawing from the presidential race. i appreciate the trust that it takes for you to come here and make that announcement. i'm sure this is your favorite night of the campaign. >> the worst news at the best place with rachel maddow. >> i'll make t-shirts on that. appreciate it. much more to get to tonight. please do stay with us. with all day comfort for all day fun...

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it has been delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed. but today the sentencing for trump national security adviser mike flynn just got another delay. i thought they were finally ready to go ahead with this, but apparently they still aren't. the judge overseeing flynn's case today says that they have a few more days. he now wants written responses from both sides in the flynn case. by the end of this month. he wants responses from both sides about flynn's cooperation with prosecutors and whether there's anything else the judge needs to know before he goes ahead with the sentencing, before he finally moves on to considering whether or not he might set a sentencing day in the future.

hopefully while we're all still alive. that happened today, trump campaign chairman paul manafort is serving a 7 1/2 year federal sentence, while awaiting the start of proceedings. you may remember for manafort's federal trial, manafort's deputy on the campaign has turned out to be one of the most important and interesting cooperators in all of these cases. technically flynn was a cooperator, but that seems to have gone off the rails. manafort was a cooperator, but that definitely went off the rails. rick gates's cooperation does not appear to have gone off the rails. rick gates testified against his former boss paul manafort, he was the government star witness at manafort's federal trial. now here's an announcement that he got today in federal court that i did not see coming. we're about to see rick gates on the witness stand again tomorrow. rick gates himself is still awaiting sentencing. his sentencing has already been delayed a half a dozen times while he continues to cooperate

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the new policy announced by the trump administration is going to have a fight for its life. a new policy from the trump administration concerning how to treat immigrant kids and how long it wants to lock them up for. in a moment. this this few minutes before we get to that story. i want to call back to what just happened at the top of the show. we just heard from washington governor jay inslee that he is withdrawing from the presidential race. this is not news that leaked in anyway shape or form before he was here on this show tonight. it issen lading as a surprise. i want to tell you, the reason i'm going back to this now, is because some of jay inslee's fellow candidates who are still in the race are reacting in realtime to this news that we just broke here moments ago. i want to share that with you, a little bit. kamala harris, leading candidate who is a california senator, just posted this, few leaders have done more to shine a light on the climate crisis than jay inslee. his voice will be missed in this primary, i know he will continue this fight. that was just posted from

senator kamala harris. i think that we've also just got in a tweet from elizabeth warren of massachusetts. do we have that? we could put up on screen. senator warren has posted a message of support in response to jay inslee announcing he is dropping out of the race, this is information that candidates are responding to in realtime because this is -- we need to make sure climate change remains the top subject in this election. kamala harris responding to this breaking news from jay inslee. i believe right now we've got on the phone my dear friend joy ann reid who is not running for president, but who is reacting to this news in realtime, had no advanced notice this is going to happen, but saw it happen here live. joy, i want to find out your take on this and how you think this is going to affect the race to have jay inslee dropping out.

i believe we have joy reed, just saw it happen here live and joy, i want to find out your take on this and how you think this is going to affect the race to have jay inslee dropping out. >> rachel, always good to talk to you. i was also surprised as i was watching your show, which is what i do at this time of night. i was surprised by his announcement, i tell you what, jay inslee, because he was one of the few single issue candidates. he had this lane of being the climate guy, the only other candidate who has that lane at all is tom steyer. he hasn't registered in the polls to be in the debate. he becomes one of the key endorsements that people are going to want.

he becomes obviously with a lot of credibility on the climate issue he's spoken to it passionately, throughout the debate and throughout the campaign. and so i think for a lot of the remaining 23 or however many are left, he's definitely somebody that you would want an endorsement from. he's a moderate, but progressive moderate governor. so i think he becomes a pretty significant endorsement for someone. >> i would put him as a practical progressive, more than a moderate. which i think is true of anybody who's in an executive role. you end up being pragmatic. it's interesting, inslee was qualified for the next debate in terms of the number of donors he got, which is very interesting. he maybe wasn't going to get there in the polls, he might have, there's still another week by which people can put together poll results. but i -- it is interesting. you're right, the influence he had in the race, is not going to be seen by the number of voters he was going to mobilize. and who's going to get the inslee voters and the inslee donors? i think his influence on the race is going to be measured by the credibility that he brought to the issue of climate change.

it wasn't just what he was running on. he raised the bar in terms of what was expected from all the candidates. he made it so it couldn't be a check the box, yes, i'm green. they all had to get way more detailed. >> i think people underestimate the power that the climate change issue has, particularly with younger voters. as he was talking, as i'm watching the show and watching him make an announcement. wait, he's dropping out? climate change, he immediately. inslee is climate change. this is an issue that doesn't get enough play in the media. because the trump tsunami is every day. this is an issue that resonates with younger people. my middle son came home and told me about these rainforest fires. i think we underestimate the climate change is an issue that can deliver with younger voters, and because no other candidate has really taken that issue on the way inslee has, if he decides to endorse someone, it's not that he was big tons and tons of voters but he brings that passion and credibility. he could actually be pretty

significant if he decides to bless one of these other candidates. >> that's right, and i think he -- because he -- he's not only prioritizing climate change because he thinks it's a good issue to run on, he didn't have a climate change plan. he had a multipart plan that he rolled unite new parts of every couple weeks. and he did -- he said tonight, my plan is open sourced, it's there for anybody to run with, because he upped the game in terms of the amount of detail and thought people had to put into the issue, i think he set the standard for what that other candidate will have to rise to

it. let me ask you one last question about this, he would not say on my show tonight, what it is that he's going to announce tomorrow, but he talked about being governor of washington state, he's going to make a big announcement tomorrow, he talked about needing to go home to washington. political careers, at the federal level and the state level tend to interact in unpredictable ways. my feeling is, if jay inslee is going to go home and run for another term as washington governor, my feeling is that this presidential campaign didn't hurt him. he didn't run a successful campaign he's dropping out. but he ran a campaign that didn't embarrass himself. that raised his national profile, and that may put him in even better stead with washington voters. i don't know if i'm feeling that way, because i think it was a classy way for him to leave the race, so i have stars in my eyes. i wonder how you think this race that he just left might affect his prospects at home if he's going to run for governor there. >> i think there are a couple different reasons to run for president.

there are some people who are in it a way running for the name i.d. that could get them on the ticket not that anyone doesn't need to win, everyone intends to win, if you don't get there, there are a lot of benefits. his name i.d. is much higher, he's positively associated with being probably the smartest public voice on the climate change issue. he definitely set the stage himself to be able to do something next. yes, it would definitely help him run for another term. i think there's a lesson in -- he used the right words. it's a message to people like governor hickenlooper, that there is a way you can pivot out of this race into other opportunities. and as you know, one of the biggest sources of anxiety for a lot of democratic voters, is the number of candidates for president that come from states that have a senate seat that could be contended by a democrat.

and it could maybe be won. as people like jay inslee drop out, you're just going to hear even more from a lot of democrats who do have some anxiety and would love to see some of these candidates use the opportunity they've created for themselves and the name recognition and the money they've raised to roll into other opportunities at the state level whether it means running for senate or governor. it wouldn't surprise me if there was a bit more pressure polling on other candidates to at least think about doing the same thing. >> and to try to do it the way that inslee's doing it. with his head held high with respect for everybody involved. joy reid, thank you for being on the show. >> i was live tweeting your show anyway, i was there with you. >> thank you, joy. i owe you, my friend. >> thank you.

>> to that last point that joy made, let me speak to the remaining democratic candidates that are in the race now, not all of you are going to make it to the end. you all know that, some of you may know right now that you are going to drop out of the race. think about how you are going to drop out of the race, think about what you want your exit message to be. your exit message may be the most powerful moment that you have in the race. particularly if you do it well, and if you do it in a place and on terms of your own choosing, where you get to articulate why you ran, why you're leaving and what you plan to do next. i will also say, i've done a lot of long form interviews of people as they get into this race. i would be happy to do long form interviews with people as they get out. y'all have my number. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. usaa took care of her car rental, and getting her car towed. all i had to take care of was making sure that my daughter was ok. if i met another veteran, and they were with another insurance company, i would tell them,

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know. but together those are all the agencies that do immigration stuff in the u.s. federal government. and there is no one formally in charge of any of those agencies right now. up to and including the whole department of homeland security. they're all run by acting officials who have been slotted in thereafter the last people running those agencies left or were fired. it's all short termers, no one confirmed by the senate, no one who's been vetted at all in anyway, except for the white house, which is great at that. in the time that no one has officially been running any of the agencies that handle immigration for the u.s. government. the trump white house has unveiled their three most radical immigrant policies since the muslim ban. just in the past few weeks with nobody running all those immigration agencies, they have announced their new plan to basically block people from applying for asylum in this country. they announced their new plan to make it so only people with lots of money and maybe private health insurance are allowed to immigrate to this country at

all. you know, like all our ancestors did, all our rich rich immigrant ancestors who fled here seeking a safe place to park all their piles of cash, their stock holdings and excellent insurance plans. you know, everybody's family story goes like that. they just now today announced their third major policy change in recent weeks. which is a plan to indefinitely imprison immigrant families. immigrant families and specifically kids who cross the border, under a new rule proposed by the trump administration, they'll be held indefinitely. at the pleasure of the trump administration, with no rules any more about how long they're allowed to hold even little kids who are held alone and apart from their families. it's kind of like guantanamo where 18 years after 9/11, we're still today holding people the

military picked up in the aftermath of the 9/11. they're still being held with no trial. it's so odd that we have to hold guantanamo offshore in another country. they want that kind of indefinite detention capability for immigrant families and kids who may have committed no crimes whatsoever. there's a legally binding descent decree that requires the federal government to not hold kids more than 20 days. the trump administration has been breaking that order frequently. as well as other conditions in

which kids are supposed to be held. a lot that we know about the terrible conditions is because of lawyers who are charged with enforcing that court order. that settle am. the lawyers have been allowed in. they must be allowed in to those facilities, to see if the government is in compliance with that consent decree. this new rule from the trump administration, would take the ghost out of that settlement all together. it would allow them to hold kids for ever, for years if they want to. and it would have the handy side

benefit of not allowing lawyers into the facilities, to monitor that the government is doing anything the courts say they need to be doing. the new plan is that nobody else can set standards for the conditions in which they're going to hold these immigrant kids. again now, potentially for years, potentially forever if they want to. their new rule, their new proposed rule announced today is that there will no longer be any need for any third party or state licensing of any of the facilities where they want to hold these kids. because they're saying, actually under this new rule announced today, ice, immigration and customs enforcement will license themselves. theoretically it will go into effect 60 days thereafter. the reason that's only theoretical is because they're going to have the living daylights sued out of them in the meantime. even though, this is seriously what they're proposing to do. indefinite imprisonment of immigrant children who have commit nod crime. in facilities with no outside inspections, no lawyers peeking in, no court oversight. and if that sounds nuts, of course, given how they've been treating kids thus far, that's the point. that's the grounds on which they want you to re-elect donald

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that they want to hold immigrant families, including kids, indefinitely. there's a previous court settlement that set the limit for holding immigrant kids at 20 days. now the trump administration says they want to keep them in detention indefinitely. and also they want that to be done with no outside oversight. they said they'll set their own standards and review themselves and license themselves and inspect their own facilities to make sure everything's fine. joining us now is lee galern, aclu's immigrants' rights project. this struck me about this new rule as something that will immediately go to court and it's hard to imagine the trump administration could just declare they're no longer bound by these court orders. >> yeah, i think you're right. i think there's going to be court action immediately, and i think the judge has been overseeing the consent decree is going to be extremely troubled by this. and so i think what we're looking at, though, is more litigation, unnecessary litigation, but it's just the thought that they want to hold these kids indefinitely. and i actually think we're

looking at the worst of both worlds because they're still separating families at the border. i think they're going to continue trying that, although we have another court hearing coming up on that. then those families they don't separate, they're now going to try and put in long-term, as you said, indefinite detention. the conditions are bad enough when there's some oversight. now they're saying, oh, no, no, we'll look at the facilities ourselves and make sure they're okay. the other thing i wanted to stress is, regardless of this sort of objective quality of the conditions, raising a child in an institution has enormous effects on them. the medical community has overwhelmingly said, you cannot raise a child in a detention center and expect that child to grow up normally. and also, it affects the dynamic between the parent and the child, because what we see is the child constantly then starts to look to the guard for permission for everything. so the dynamic between the parent and child becomes

completely distorted. >> and that happened in short-term detention, let alone something that goes on indefinitely. >> for sure. >> do you expect that the judge who oversees this concept decree that currently governs what the administration can do, is she personally able to block this? does she have the -- >> absolutely. those proceedings will happen very quickly. she'll have the first say. and i think what she'll say, hopefully, you know, we expect her to say, is look, there's a consent decree, you can't just discard the entire concept decree because you want to do it. the government's going to say, there's changed circumstances this and that. there's no changed circumstances, kids need to be out of detention facilities. >> keep us apprised on this. >> absolutely. >> i am fired up about this and alarmed.

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senator cory booker saying, thank you jay inslee for advancing the conversation about the urgent threat of climate change, our country is better for it, i know you will continue to be a powerful voice and move the needle on this issue, we'll be right there with you. jay inslee mate the climate crisis the centerpiece of his campaign and our nation is better because of it. thank you for the bold ideas you brought to this race. julian castro, thank you for your unwavering effort to save our planet. let me know when you're up for that road trip. i want to know what that's about. anyway, there's more, other candidates also, similar responses. so we'll keep you apprised as this continues to develop. jay inslee, one of the high-profile candidates to have left the race as of tonight this past hour. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." from senator kamala harris, few leaders have done more to shine a light on the climate crisis than jay in