that does it for me. back tomorrow at 8:00 eastern time. "am joy" with joy reid starts right now. excuse me. somebody had to do it. i am the chosen one. somebody had to do it. so i'm taking on china. you vote for a democratic, you're being very disloyal to jewish people and you're being very disloyal to israel. only weak people would say anything other than that.

president obama and others broke the families apart. i'm the one that kept the families together. i thought the prime minister's statement that it was absurd, it was an absurd idea was nasty. you don't talk to the united states that way, at least under me. >> good morning. and welcome to "am joy." i am back from vacation with a brand new hairdo, but it seems like we're still dealing with the same old crazy. how crazy, you ask? this is going to seem weird as a tv thing. i want you to close your eyes, close your eyes and picture this. you ready? you're on an airplane. you're getting ready to take off. the last thing you hear over the loud speaker before the pilot takes off is "i am the king of israel." what would go through your mind. picture that you're about to go into surgery, just before the sedatives kick in, you hear the surgeon say, don't worry, everything will be fine, i am

the next coming of god. let's say you're in a board room and the ceo of the company you work for calls himself the chosen one. how long exactly would it take you to quit? you can open your eyes again. i've scared you enough. as james fallows wrote in a great piece in "the atlantic," if donald trump was in virtually any other position of responsibility, his increasingly deranged outburst would be grounds for removal. the board at a public company would have replaced him outright or arranged a discreet shift out of power. the chain of command at the navy or at an airline or in the hospital would at least call a time-out and check his fitness before putting him back on the bridge or in the cockpit or in the operating room. to be clear, donald trump has been saying strange, racist, narcissistic things for a really long time. he said outrageous things literally almost every day since he started running for president

and was sworn in. something seemed to become unhinged. it happened simultaneously with troubling economic news, that we might be on the brink of recession, caused in part by trump's decision to launch a trade war with china. trump made things worse with more weird pronouncements. on friday the stock market plummeted after trump attacked his own fed chair as an enemy and tweeted he was hereby ordering american companies to stop doing business with china, like he's kim jong-un and not the president of the united states. his outlandish behavior appeared like a panic at track. his approval rating stands at 36% for the latest a.p. poll. with this seeming shift in his prospects, a few trump loyalists are starting to cash out on the donald including my first guest. joining me is former white house communications director anthony scaramucci.

welcome to the show. your first time on the show. i want to welcome you first of all. >> you can call me anthony, joy. it's good to be here. by the way, you used to troll me brilliantly, by the way. i give you high marks for your twitter trolling. happy to be here. >> rick wilson and i used to fight on fwiter as well. fighting with me on twitter is the best way to get booked on the show. >> it's all good. we have to come together now because this is a serious national and international crisis. i just want to restate and emphasize to your viewers, he tweeted yesterday that president xi, the president of china and jerome powell, which one is a greater enemy to the united states. we can't have somebody running the free world, representing us at the g7 and organizing the government who is acting like this. james fallows, i'm surprised mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, i'm surprised these guys have not come out yet.

i do predict that will happen. this is a descent into madness. i said this two weeks ago into jonathan swan. we're in the first couple of episodes of the hbo series, he's melting down. they're trying to figure out if they can cover it up or they have to clean it up. now we're moving into clean-up mode. i'm optimistic about this. >> let me stop you right there. you wrote an op-ed which i have here run by "the washington post" in which you cop to the fact that you supported donald trump for a long time, supported his election, worked for him for about ten days before he fired you. you talked about the fact that you had private rhett sense about some of his behavior but you thought donald trump as president would be good for wage growth, good for business. here is my question. donald trump way before now has said europe is the enemy. he has said that our allies, the people that the united states has been allies with since world war ii are our enemy. he's made friends with kim

jong-un. he has cud ld up to the kremlin, preetdly tried to say that russia should be back and the g7 should become the g8 and allow russia in. he's been a toadie. the shar sots lots ville, saying good people among the nazis. why now would you say he's unhinged and falling apart? he's been the same way for years. >> i accept all that kricritici. i did write that i denounce the charlottesville situation, the child separation situation. you can go to the hill.com and see my essay on the press not being the enemy of the people. the red line for me i guess, and everyone has a different red line, the issue related to the four congresswomen. i may not agree with them, three of them born here, one

naturalized here. when he's saying to send them back for some reason, i looked at that, i said that is absolutely outrageous racism. joy, if you want to fault me and your viewers want to fault me forgetting there late. i'm okay with that. i can accept that because i'm a flawed human being. here is what i would say to everybody. this is an international crisis, you have to create an off-ramp that did what i did, spinning a rubik's cube and said, this part is good, that part is good, that part is bad. and then through the process of cognitive dissidents we started to lesson the parts that were bad. those parts have become ridiculous at this point. maybe you don't agree with me. but i think the last two weeks have been worse than at any other time. let's say you don't agree with me and you say he's been exactly the same he's been since 2015. some of us, it took us time -- i'm a loyal person, a registered

republican. i'm just suggesting to people create the off-ramp for people that got this very wrong. we made a hiring decision. we're in the board room. the ceo is acting nuts. we have to replace the ceo. >> really quickly to establish some grounds of where we all stand. what parts were good? >> i'm sorry. what parts were good? >> you said some parts were good, some were bad. what was good? >> i thought some of the parts that were good were the deregulation of aspects of the american business, the delayering of the administrative state. if you looked at some of the things they did on the economy, you improved african-american and hispanic american unemployment numbers. >> you always go to that. it's an interesting place that supporters of trump supporters always go. african-american employment employment has been falling since obama. >> you're asking me to tell you where i saw things that were

beneficial. for me i'm a very big believer we need regulation in our society, but we need pro pi shows regulation and the middle of the pendulum. i think we're swinging too far to overregulating the economy. so i believe that -- you may not agree with me, it doesn't really matter right now in terms of what our political differences are. we have a lunatic, a full-blown lunatic in the white house that is literally having a nervous breakdown before our eyes. >> you've known him for a long time. >> i'm sorry? >> i want to stop you right there. you've known donald trump for a long time, well before you were part of the administration. >> according to him, i didn't know him that well. >> i know he said you didn't know him that well. you know people inside the white house, i know some people that work with the administration. why are they not doing what you're doing? do you believe there are people in the white house now, in the administration who know what you

know about him -- as you said, he's having a breakdown. it sure looked like one, calling him the second coming of god. why aren't they leaving? why aren't they changing their minds? >> you know from your sources inside nbc news, of course there are people inside the white house that absolutely hate his guts and they're trying to figure out what they can do. one one of the problems is the rah pant bullying. look what he did to me and my wife on his twitter feed this week. i don't even take that personally. that's being done to silence the beam inside the white house that hate his guts and silence the people on capitol hill. he's got this paper tiger marriage status inside the republican party, tweeting out he's 94% approval rating. he's not. closer to 78. that's still high. if you ask the secondary question, would you choose him over another credible republican, like jon huntsman, nikki haley, mike pompeo, i could list people that could

become the next president, people say yes because he's nuts. i do believe by speaking out and calling the emperor for what it is, very naked, i do think it's going to create a runway and human shield. i don't mind taking the blows from the left on msnbc. i don't mind taking the blows from romney mcdaniel who now all of a sudden it's a personality cult party as opposed to the republican party. ifr' got no problem with it. we have to bring those people out and i predict we will. >> a lot of people will be cynical about you. there will be cynicism about you changing your mind about trump. i have to ask you this question, there's an interview i'm looking at on a podcast, that you're going to form a super pac. i have to ask you this question. those of us who worked in politics know how super pacs work. will you get a percentage of what you're able to raise for

that super pac? >> let's talk about that. you probably read about this nonsense with brad pascal. i've given money and raised money for candidates. if you go back into my history, because i went to law school with barack obama, my first for ray into presidential politics, i raised money for him. i never took a dollar -- >> the way super pacs work, you get 10 to 20%. you're saying you raise money in super pacs and don't get a percentage? >> hold on. unfortunately the way the system works, if i have to pay people to help me raise money, i will do that. i'm not going to take any personal money for myself. number one, i don't need the money, joy. number two, this will be specifically designed to go after this lunatic in the swing states targeting suburban women, frankly. if you depress their vote for this guy, he will lose. for me it's going to be a very

surgical super pac. i think it could possibly be named the committee to unseat trump because i like the acronym c.u.t. enough is enough. i understand the cynicism. i am a republican, i'm not disavowing the republican party. i'm trying to stay in the party and reform the party and make the party more sensible. if you go way back in my background, you'll know i helped legalize gay marriage in new york and worked with chad griffin to nationalize the gay marriage movement. i'm actually a libertarian in many ways, way to the left socially and just center right on business, joy. >> okay. i appreciate you being here. please keep us up to date on how the super pac goes. appreciate it. >> the haircut looks great, by the way. >> thank you very much. >> i'm just throwing that out. >> thank you. i appreciate it. have a great day. conservative pundits taking a stand against trump.

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is. >> there is a lot of evidence building that donald trump is not a well man. >> my hope in this moment has nothing to do with politics, but it's that this man is out of the oval office before my daughter is old enough to recognize what the presidency is, that my daughter is not exposed to this type of leadership. >> aside from a few conservative pundits you heard, the actual republican party has been virtually silent following a week of bizarre out bursts from donald trump. joining me dean ave. dalla, john harwood of cnbc. john, you have the disadvantage of not being here and hanging out with us. the silence is deafening. we know we're on recess, so it's not like republicans are in capitol hill where you can catch them. is it as interesting to you as it is to me that they haven't said anything. he said he's the king of israel, the second coming of god. he looked up in the sky and sid he's the chosen one. nothing. >> joy, in for a dime, in for a dollar, this has been the

posture of republicans for quite some time. they try to ignore, minimize, say they haven't read or aren't familiar with the president's statements because they're afraid of criticizing him for fear of alienating his base. maybe some people, a segment of the republican party likes what he said, but i think many of them don't. many of them are disturbed, but they're also ambitious politicians right-hand a scared. i talked yesterday with former congressman carlos curbelo, one of the people who, because of donald trump's popularity, lost his re-election last year. he said this is deeply distu disturbing, i'm not a psychologist. but this is the kind of behavior you expect from an authoritarian regime. a leading columnist said this confirms my belief, suspicion that he's not a fit steward of the american economy. i talked to doug holt eke ken

another past economist who said the only person that needs to change his behavior right now is the president. it's not president xi. he's confused as to what his powers are. there's criticism out there. it's pretty much all from people who don't have electoral futures within the republican party. can we reach a tipping point where that changes and you get people more proactively, more aggressive version of what jeff flake did before he left the senate? maybe. i'm not holding my breath. >> dean, we reached out to a bunch of people. i wanted to know -- i grew up in the church. the idea of somebody declaring themselves the next coming of god or the king of strael which is what the romans used to belittle jesus before they executed him before denying the roman emperor. now trump saying it's a joke,

it's eposticy. we reemed out to jerry falwell junior, president mike pence and the rnc. we got no response at all. we had pat robertson who declined to comment. we did get one comment from somebody who asked whether this was okay with them. robert jeffress said if i thought president donald trump was trying to equate himself with the only true mess sayah, jesus christ, i would be the first to speak out. however, that's not what he's doing. trump has been a friend of mine for four years and i can assure you he does not possess a messiah complex. wayne root, the person he was retreating, his comments were hyperbolic, they accurately capture the enthusiasm israelis have for president trump. every time i walk down the streets of jerusalem, they stop me and thank any pour my comment. anybody watching the video knows

president trump was speaking humorously. >> he's saying essentially american you's real country is israel. that in and of itself, if a muslim just said donald trump is being loyal to saudi arabia, people would go crazy. what is happening? why is no one willing to have any integrity when it comes to donald trump? >> if you ask those same people about muslims, every person you mentioned has a track record of dehumanizing muslims. you have the exact same tie namic of politics going on. you don't see elective republicans standing up to donald trump. where we're going, think about people -- right before we started the show, in 2016 trump was accused of anti-semitism for an ad with hillary clinton and

the jewish star. at the time jared kushner wrote an op-ed saying donald trump is not an anti-semite, not a racist. i know him well. this time jared kushner is silent, his daughter is silent. there's no one defending him except the diehard people who want christian sharia law. he is their vessel to impose the bible, the idea of imposing the bible. he's their mess sayah. for trump to look up to say he was chosen, he should look down. he might have been chosen, but not from an entity above. >> we have republicans only with nothing electorally to lose. anthony scaramucci said, i'll take the l, he has a super pac. there are people inside the white house no know trump is deranged and won't say anything. you have people on the religious

side. let's talk about politicians. here is lindsey graham. this man is not pro tariffs. here he is on tariffs. >> the goal is to get china to stop cheating the yatsz out of market share, to play by the rules that everybody else in the world plays by. when it comes to a trade war, we've got more bullets than they do. i think the president is determined to get china to change their behavior and i'm 100% with him. will we feel this as consumers? yes. pay now or pay later. >> i'm surprised he didn't say, and yes, he is the second coming of god. you have tom cotton taking the l saying, don't worry, it was me who wanted to buy greenland. what is happening here? you've worked in politics? >> they've all lost their minds. like you said, these are folks, republicans who are for free trade. they were deficit hawks. they've lost all of their -- the core of the republican party is

now gone. let's be really clear. when it comes to the trade war, congress can step in. republicans can step in. >> it's congress's purview. >> they regulate that. they're quiet. they're silent. a lot is what john howard was saying in the beginning, they're so afraid of donald trump. they're fearful. lindsey graham has a re-election in 2020. he is so scared of not getting -- keeping his power, he's doing anything he can by making sure he does not upset donald trump's base. he does not want donald trump to step into his election, to make sure he has maybe somebody challenging lindsey graham. it's all about self-preservation. it's about holding on to power. >> go ahead, john. >> i was going to say, to be clear, lindsey graham talked about donald trump the way anthony scaramucci talks about him now when he was trying to prevent him from winning the republican knock nation. he said a lot of those same things.

he's now trying to preserve influence and preserve his support within the republican base. but some of this is becoming increasingly hard to square with reality. when lindsey graham says we have more bullets than china in this trade war, that may be true. they have more time than we have and more time -- president xi has nor time than president trump has because he doesn't face re-election in 2020. he's president for life. >> and donald trump is now planning -- we'll get more to this in the next hour. donald trump is going to threaten to literally tank the market again right before christmas buying season because that's genius business acumen. coming up, besides declaring bankruptcy, what he really does best, he tanked the stock market, snubbed another american ally as well. that's next.

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it is with regret and surprise that i received the news that president trump has canceled his state visit. a discussion has been raised about a potential sale of

greenland. this has clearly been rejected, a position that i share of course. >> this week ahead of the g7 summit in france, donald trump did his usual thing, throwing a tantrum and picking a fight with yet another american ally. canceled his trip to denmark and snubbed the country's queen who extended the invitation. the danish prime minister dismissed president trump's proposal to pie green word as absurd. trump with his favorite phrase when describing women who defy him. >> denmark, i look forward to going. i thought the prime minister's statement that it was an absurd idea was nasty. i thought it was an inappropriate statement. >> joining me malcolm nance, author of the plot to destroy democracy. i want to start with greenland. let's talk about that first. greenland, it was a joke to

people when donald trump said he wanted to buy greenland. but it's a serious thing here. a land that has maybe 55,000 people living on it, largely indigenous. it's covering oil and coal. the island has drawn rising interest due to vast natural resources including coal, zinc, copper, iron other and rare min malls. denmark publicly expressed concern about china's interest in greenland per the pentagon. this is not a joke. this is about exploiting another indigenous land. >> absolutely. let me tell you something. this is not the only place in the world that people are trying to come into regions that no one has cared about for some time and exploit them. the russians, for example, and the chinese in are in central africa. since the 1960s, it's pretty much been left alone on the global geopolitical map.

greenland, if you look at it cynically, global warming is finally exposing the terrain in greenland which allows you to exploit these -- if you do that, then, of course, you become a global trading -- you would become a global powerhouse. russia is exploiting the arctic. somehow someone had a talk with donald trump and said, hey, truman proposed to buy greenland. let's do this. greatest trade deal, biggest thing since the louisiana purchase. you'll be a great president, we'll get all the minerals. if every global ice cap melts, those would be available. donald trump making this play, it was serious. he obviously wasn't joking at all. he thought he could just put money on the table, the united states would buy it and those danish would go along with it, or the 56,000 people in greenland would love being the 51st state. >> basically, right, just to exploit it.

there's a reason they don't believe in global warming, because it helps them to uncover resources they want to extract. let's talk about the fact he did dis denmark. we know president obama is going. in one reason he's not going is because president obama will probably will greeted as a hero? >> president obama won't be going until weeks after what was supposed to be his official state visit to denmark. denmark is a serious player, certainly within nato. most people don't realize it. they have been in afghanistan for more than 20 years along with us. they were in iraq. i was alongside danish forces in basra, iraq. they've lost in combat action 45 men. now comparative to their size that would be several,000 men if it was proportionate to the united states. they have sacrificed for this nation in defense of american citizens.

donald trump takes this things personally. he is a narcissist of the highest order. it's not about denmark. it's about his ego. >> let's talk about russia really quickly. he's going to the d 7. donald trump said he thinks russia should be in the g7. g7 is supposed to be our allies only. your thoughts on why he's still caping for the kremlin? >> you know, when this comes out, some day, somewhere we're going to find out what russia has over donald trump, and it is very, very clear the economic interest of russia are equal to the economic interest of donald trump. which means that, you know, all the talk that people have been having since 2016, it is very clear that russia has been manipulating donald trump, has made it clear that they want him to be their advocate. he is their advocate. julia davis did some reporting out of russia, has shown that

russia itself believes that donald trump is going to bat for them to put them back into the g7 plus one. look, russia is a poor nation. somebody put it that it's a trailer park with atomic bombs. they have all the trading power of italy. you know, when you're a gas station, you're selling gas, people want what you want. donald trump is there to do it for you because money talks for donald trump. >> indeed, indeed. malcolm nance, best person to talk to on this subject. appreciate you. coming up, the trump administration's latest cruelty toward immigrants. that is next. ward immigrants. that is next

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>> that's what the administration proposes to do today, detain these frightened families at wit's end, at their most desperate and vulnerable, indefinitely going forward. this cannot be allowed to stand. >> this is another example of this administration's cruelty. >> everything about immigration, he's done to try to scare people. >> the trump regime sparked outrage when it announced a new immigration regulation to allow the government to detain immigrant migrant families with children indelphly. trump is seeking to undo the florez agreement that limited detention of migrant children to no more than 20 days. joining me antonio vargas? author of "dear america."

this is crazy. they're talking about indefinite detention like guantanamo. >> for me, let's get rid of the term immigrant. why don't we just call dhthem human beings. this is a um hoo an rights violation to detain people for kwhat? cuccinelli is asking congress to fund this, which means if you're living in a state, living in a district whose congress members support this, you have to call them out. >> cuccinelli. a lot of migrants came from ireland, italy. what he really wants is people who have lots of money. >> 5 million. between 1850 to 1920, five million italians moved to this country. how many were actually on their two feet when they got here? i think the fact that what we have to grapple with is the fact that we're not talking about what's legal here. this is way beyond legality.

>> they're declaring it legal and saying it's legal because we say it is. >> we have to grapple with the fact that we've created a system of dehumanizing people so we don't think about them indelphly. >> here is the thing. these people are presuming somehow the flu can be contained in a cage. it cannot. if there's a flu pandemic that emerging out of a holding cell where you have guards interacting with these people and then going home, if there's a flu pandemic, it will be their fault. >> i was detained in texas for eight hours. the on blanket we had were those mylar blankets. it's a cesspool -- you can totally see how a virus can spread. now we're going to let that happen? seven children have died, seven. how many more do we need to die? >> this is the question i have. the international community

doesn't have power over what we do here in this country. i think people feel helpless. these are, as you said, international human rights violations. where is the united nations, where is congress? who can do something about this? >> for me i feel like every community has to decide how to react to this. if you have a detention center where you live, what are you doing? what risk are you willing to take? for me it's been so negative. every day you wake up and there's something happening. did you hear about the man in nashville, actually i.c.e. came to arrest him. so people, neighbors created literally a human chain to prevent i.c.e. from getting to him. >> i never thought i would grow up to live in a country where people are being stolen. there are stories about mississippi plant workers children who are abandoned, both parents are gone. you have this massive ring of baby-sitters, people having to take care of parentless

children. they don't know where the parents are. you have children placed into foster care, maybe adopted out. we don't know if people are being permanently stolen. >> i have to say, when we ask what can people do, the question is what risk are people willing to take. when you hear a co-worker or your boss say something about illegal people, do you call them out. as much as we talk about public charge, it's amazing to me we don't actually realize that undocumented workers and people contribute billions of dollars to the economy. we're here, we're not just taking. we're contributing. why is that not part of the narrative. >> we are in a week where people are going crazy over chicken sandwiches. where do people think the chicken comes from? it comes from many undocumented workers deboning the chicken. >> you and i talk about it all

the time. undocumented asian, caribbean people. we have a responsibility to look at as squarely as possible. we have opportunity here to take risk. what are you willing to do? >> is it going to take the international community essentially devesting from the united states? >> i'm not sure that international laws apply in a counted in which no laws apply when it comes to people not treated as human beings. >> when people are not people, you can do whatever you want to them. >> whatever you want. >> antonio vargas, thank you very much for the risk you take every day to help people. it's not immigrants, it's people. more "am joy" after the break. thank you. come on, let's go home. after 10 years, we've covered a lot of miles.

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soothed the markets. the stock market actually rose on his remarks. but trump was not too pleased. he wants those rates slashed even more, and he probably wasn't happy about powell talking about trump's trade war with china complex and turbulent. so trump did what he does, he launched a twitter attack on his own fed chair. and just when the market went up as powell spoke, it started to plummet when trump spoke. cnn clocked this. powell made a speech on cnn which they tweeted about. cnbc said stocks jumped to record highs and the dow jumped positive. at 10:42 a.m., the dow, nasdaq and s and 35rskand p 500 took t

skies. which is good, then donald trump asked if powell was a bigger enemy than xi. despite president trump and ivanka themselves doing tons of business -- wait for it -- with china. that tweet led to a stunning reversal on wall street. at 11:04, stocks plunged, followed by a series of markets tumbling down, down, down. the time that president trump took the stock market down all on his own was one hour and 24 minutes. trump's fed chair labeled an enemy for not doing his bidding. perfect. >> i'm not happy with jay powell. i don't think he's doing a good

job at all. i don't think he's much of a chess player. do i want him to resign? let me put it this way. if he did, i wouldn't stop him. >> dude, you hired him. joining me now is kareem jean pierre, julian malveaux, economist and author, and rachel bitter-kofer for racial bitter policy. donald trump, in his hereby order to american companies to stop dealing with china right now, tank those stocks. does he have such a power? >> we have become accustomed to the fact that donald trump can do whatever john roberts says he can do. the authority trump is arguing that he has is something called the international emergency economic powers act. it means much like the emergency act which when the president says, i feel like this is an

emergency, he gets wide loatitue to do all kinds of crazy things. first of all, there is an important part of the statute which says he can only declare an emergency under unusual and extraordinary circumstances. china existing is not unusual or extraordinary. it's just a thing that always has happened. so there is very little legally binding precedent to suggest that trump can declare a national emergency, a national economic emergency, based on china existing. the times they have been used before were against iran when they took actual american hostages. that was the last time this was used. one of the william ranquist's most famous decision was doing whatever he wants to stop iran, but no big decisions where iran

has taken big decisions against the u.s. there is nothing to suggest this was anything like that and there is no reason for the stunt. >> i was watching it on twitter as it was happening, and i was like, oh, my gosh, the market is down. on this same issue, clearly someone told donald trump this 1977 act that was pointed out it was used against iran, maybe you can use that against china. or fdr could use steel companies to make planes, right? he clearly did it because told him he could, i doubt he did it because of the history that just espoused. >> and can he sanction american companies as he sanctioned iran in the hostage crisis? or used to freeze assets after

9/11. is he going to put u.s. nationals in that bucket and treat them that way? i don't think the reaction to that would be tolerable to any president, republican or democrat. i think that's the point where you would see businesses, which are typically timid in political debates, step up in a much more forceful way. i don't see this happening. i think the chances of it are diminished. he was trying to assert in that twitter, oh, well, my power can't be constrained in certain circumstances. i would be shocked if he attempted to use that power. >> the two powers with all these constructions, careen, is donald trump did put forth some action. the supreme court, i don't know why anyone would trust the people he put on the court, and donald trump has threatened

companies before. he said, you better do a, b and c. and he ordered people to come to a rally, essentially, at a plant. they all showed up. like, he has been able to bully people. why shouldn't he be able to threaten, i'm going to put sanctions on you, amazon.com. i'm going to put sanctions on american companies if they godot get out of china. >> this is what he does. he claims to do something, he says, this is a national emergency, and he does it, and we don't hear anything about it. or he says he's going to do it and nothing happens. his own administration doesn't follow through. donald trump is unhinged, we all know that, he's been unhinged for a long time. i do believe he knows exactly what he's doing because i think in his mind he thinks his base wants to see a fighter. that's how he got into this trade war, right? i think if you look at his campaign, his campaign were thinking they were going to win because of the economy and now look what's happening with the

economy, and then you have donald trump who is actually a desperate man. when you are a desperate man, you do desperate things. we have to remember in 2015 when donald trump jumped into the politics, it was a branding exercise. it was awful and nasty and very divisive. he didn't think he was going to win. he just did it because of whatever business deal he was hoping to get out of it. now we're in 2019, we're looking at 2020. he knows that he has to get reelected. so he's doing everything that is insane and crazy because he's really focusing on that phase because he knows what it means to be indicted. he knows what it means to go to prison. he knows there is more at stake for him than ever before in his entire life. and that's what we're seeing. we're seeing a desperate man do desperate things. >> the only two things donald trump seems to be afraid of, strong women and prosecutors. juliewe

julie ann malveaux, donald trump is underwater in terms of the economy. trump has been to sort of fake his way through. he's not successful at real estate, he's a failure at that. he was a failure at casino ownership, but he's been able to talk a good game and get out of it. what is the state of the u.s. economy right now? >> if you look at the macro numbers, joy, it looks okay. but you have to peel back and look at the micro numbers. unemployment is lower than it's ever been, but wages that have stagnant. you had all this nonsense he's doing -- he does not understand the economy. john said something earlier that's extremely important. it's the multinational nature of the fortune 500 and of our world economy. you can't tell apple that they can't do business in china when

so many of their chips are being produced in china. you can't tell ford that they can't import cars to china. i mean, this is just a grown man having a public tantrum, but the public tantrum creates an uncertainty in the stock market that really has a negative blowback on investors. but let's be clear on something. about half of all americans don't give a bleep about the stock market. most of us don't have investments in stock markets, so when bobby jones or susie q picks up the newspaper and sees that, a large part of the their base, they say, this doesn't have anything to do with me. but when they go to walmart in december and they see the prices of toys up, then they're going to say, uh-oh, this has something to do with me. we have to put this fight with china in some context. certainly china has been a bad actor in the past, we all know this. however, they've been very measured in their response to him. their attitude is we don't want

to fight, but if you want to fight, bring it because we'll fight back. so they increased tariffs by 10% compared to his 30%. what china is doing is making this man look like a bad actor on the world stage. he's been far more aggressive than they have been. we have issues in china, i'm not going to deny that. we have not yet begun to feel it. we've heard from farmers about the exports that china is not buying from us, and others have telt felt it, but not in the way we can feel it in a year. we are looking at an economy that's sitting on shaky ground, and the report -- whoever's poll it was, i think it was the "washington post" poll that came out thursday. it came out thursday when stocks went down and this man started clowning. i would be interested to see

what happens. and then finally, eli made a really good point, it's for emergencies. it's not for your convenience. you can't create an emergency. but he's going to play this out because it deflects from whatever else goes on, it deflects from his weak polls, it deflects from all of that. >> john, very quickly before i bring rachel in, i've seen statistics that said something like 70% of what's sold in walmart is sourced from china. here's a short list of the things that donald trump's own businesses create and source in china. apparel, glasses, home goods, furniture -- why would anybody buy home goods from trump? furniture, trump hotel amenities. his daughter's shoes that seem to look very close to other brands, for whatever reason, are made in china. she received five new trademarks

from china just since january 2015. her business is still going on in china. donald trump does business in china. can you talk about the interconnectedness, john, about the u.s. and china economies? >> the global economy all over the world as interconnected supply chains, commerce back and forth. that's what's transformed the economy over the last 20 to 30 years. it was negotiated by president george bush, negotiated by president obama and then scuttled by president trump. that was an attempt to amass allies in that global economy to counter china. but he pulled out of that, so that undercut the leverage the united states had to force changes. his businesses just illustrate the point you're making. we all remember that hilarious bit on the david letterman show

when he had donald trump on before he was president and slowly exposed all the sourcing of the president's goods, and the president said something on the order of, oh, well, you know, they got to have jobs over there, too. >> even better than that -- and i have the letterman bit, but i want to play another one. this was on cnn. then i'm going to rachel on this. this was donald trump back in 2015 as he's starting to run for president defending the fact that he does so much business with china. here it is. >> i talk about my ties in speeches. i'm open. i say, my ties many times are made in china -- not all of them, by the way, but a lot of them are made in china. because they've manipulated their currency to such a point that it's impossible for our companies to compete. it's very, very hard to have anything in apparel made in this country. >> so, then, rachel, you delighted a lot of people with your tweet of your data that shows donald trump on track to probably not win the election in

2020 which is why he would be having a panic attack. would something like that, is that part of the reason that you're seeing these changes in his prospects? because it's starting to dawn on people that this guy is a fraud. >> maybe, but keep in mind that there are people who sympathize with democrats who are actu absolutely shocked and appalled by the election of donald trump, and although the last three years have done nothing to make them feel better about that, they were not necessarily ever trump supporters. there is a small segment of what we call pure independents and they did break in favor of trump in 2016 and they won't break in favor of him in 2020, according to my research, but certainly there is going to be, as a panelist pointed out, a

reckoning coming. he has been able to use bailouts and delayed effects of these tariffs so far to hide from the white working class, the effect they are going to have. but come december, come christmastime, these tariffs are going to be felt, and then it becomes up to the democrats to leverage it, right? they have to be able to make the connection for these voters who are in these walmarts, who are looking at these increased prices. if they don't use that in an advertising way in their political ads, hey, average american, why is all of your stuff more expensive? donald j. trump and his trade and tariff trade war, right? you have to make that connection for voters, otherwise they're not going to be able to make it for themselves. and i think democrats tend to overestimate what voters know and how much they're paying attention to the news and to politics, so you have to do that for them. >> what you've said -- the first part of what you've said is

music to my ears at the panel here because what you said ex sessi exsession of conversion. people are already made. you worked on the campaign for barack obama, the most important one, probably, in our modern lifetime rather than this one. this one will change people's minds. walmart prices going up, that's real. >> and like many have said, we're going to see that around the holidays. look, farmers are losing right now and consumers are going to be losing in a couple of months and it's going to be devastating for them, especially around the holidays. it's so true, democrats have to figure out how to connect that to the voters. how do we make sure they understand that? it's going to be about turnout on our base. we have to do that. there was a low turnout, like 14.4 million less people showed up when you compare 2012 to 2016. a majority of that 4.4 million

were people of color. they did not come out. so how do we get them excited? how do we get them to come out, and that's one way to do it. i want to say this really quickly, i know eli wants to say something. the data shows that trump voters, it wasn't about the anxiety of the economy that made them turn out in 2016. it was a cultural insecurity, right? it was identity. i don't think this is going to affect his folks. but it just might. in 2016 it wasn't about the economy. that's what the data shows. >> i want to make sure it isn't just about trump, it's about economic policies. republicans getting power, they practice smash and grab capitalism, they wreck the economy, right? then democrats have to come

along and spend eight years to make tough, sometimes unpopular, choices to get the economy back on track. then just at the point when we can start to do what we have to do, american people who have memories of goldfish, republicans come back in and smash everything again. i'm sick of the democrats having to run around with a bottle of febreze because republicans keep getting their funk all over the economy. >> joy, that is a really good poin point because people fall into a lull. democrats fix the economy, and then when people start feeling comfortable, republicans come along and give all the money to rich people. >> i loved elie's lines, smash and grab capitalism. that makes it much more clear. one of the things we must advertise, careen, to your point, this will cost the average american household $18

million. understanding the number of people just sitting on the edge -- we just saw a report that a majority of folks couldn't afford a $400 emergency. so now your christmas shopping is going to cost you $800. so you're underwater. and you're right, you're absolutely right. democrats -- i don't know what's wrong with democrats. i'm one so i can't tell you. i don't know what's wrong with democrats, but it just seems we refuse to be sufficiently aggressive, not only about the economy which we must tell in sound bites that are understandable, but also about the whole issue of racial identity and how the racial fear hurts white people. this is a historic trope of the united states. when you decide that immigrants are taking your jobs, then capitalism takes all the jobs. >> according to all the data, is it a matter of messaging that is helping democrats be in such a better position, or is it just a

matter of people's just plain outrage about the whole thing that he is doing? >> no, it's absolutely connected, and i'm so glad you gave me an opportunity to interject here, because i know exactly what's wrong with democrats and it ties back into my data analysis. >> we want to know. >> if you want to know what's wrong with democrats, read my twitter thread and continue to read my research as i try to pump it out, but this is what's going on. you are citing the cycle of, you know, you have these crazies, people elect democrats because we have these turnout surges which is what my data suggests. democrats get fired up, they rise to the occasion, they seize power, they fix things, but then they pull back. and the reason is because democrats absolutely suck at messaging. they don't tap into a motion. they want to have the cerebral conversations with voters that don't exist because we are not typical people, and we want to

talk to ourselves, and, you know, you have to tap into emotion the way the gop does, not in such a negative way, but in a way that gets people to connect their day-to-day lives with the political process. and if you can keep those turnout rollbacks from happening and maintain power, then you can make some gains. but you're right, as long as you're always rushing in on a surge and decline cleanup crew, you're never going to make progress. >> it's an excellent point, and john, it does feel like democrats are constantly cleaning up republican economies, and then once people get economically comfortable, they go back to putting in the same people who drove the economy into recession. it is bizarre. >> there is an ebb and flow of politics always. that's why it's been very difficult since world -- >> that's like falling off a cliff. >> right, but it's been difficult for political parties to win the presidency, for example, three times in a row

over the last century or so. so some of that is national irrespective of economic policy. but we do have a recurrent pattern that we've seen since the reagan era of deficits rising when republicans are in power, mostly because their principal interest isn't in cutting taxes and shrinking government, it's just that the shrinking government is hard so they cut taxes and they've gone down with the last two presidents. it just so happens that barack obama you had a convergence of factors. one, he was the first african-american president. two, he took office in a financial crisis and recession, and three, the steps he took to counter the financial crisis and recession drove up the finances.

that allowed the country to say he was bankrupting the country. it went down and now it's head upped again. >> he was a better president than donald trump. the decrease in unemployment, the decrease in the deficit, it all went better under president obama. before we go -- we're out of time, but very quickly. >> americans will say republicans are better at the economy, so democrats need to fix that problem if they ever want to solve their long-term issues. >> i really quickly want to play this by david letterman. maybe democrats should play this during the campaign. play that real quick. >> he has a stance on china which is a country that's just ripping our heart out. we just do nothing to protect ourselves. >> these are beautiful ties. >> they are great ties. >> the ties are made where, in china? the ties are made in china. >> just play that. play that for the voters,

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>> i'm not going to be the president so i'm withdrawing tonight from the race, but i have to tell you, look, i've been fighting climate change for 25 years, and i've never been so confident of america now to reach critical mass to move the ball. >> he dropped out of the presidential race this week. as rachel maddow would say, poof. i had to do it. he follows colorado former governor john hickenlooper dropped out of the race and said he will run for senate seat. and we have another one who did not qualify for any democratic debates. that means we have shrunk to a mere 21 democratic candidates.

josh, i want to go to you first. we love it when people pull a hickenlooper which means you drop out of the presidential race and run for the senate in a seat that might be winnable. what do you think about the dropout? do you think there will be more? >> there has to be more. we're talking about 21 people with only ten of them that really have an opportunity to have any sort of exposure, and understanding those numbers, i just keep on getting this reminiscent feeling of '80s horror movies, please be another white guy, please be another white guy. let it be beto, let it be de blasio, because joy, the people of color in this race, just like american history, are the ones bringing the flavor, are the ones bringing the integrity, are the ones bringing the sense of justice, and it's kind of cool because the white women have said, hey, we've been complicit in historical white supremacy and we want to join this justice campaign as well, and there's very few of these white guys

other than bernie sanders who is bringing unique value to this campaign. >> it is interesting that the paring down is among the white dudes. because there are so many in that lane. there's not a lot of white guy lane in the democratic party. >> like you said, there are so many. but look, democrats needed to start winnowing down the pool. it had to happen. 24 people in a race, which is unheard of. also, a lot of them were at 1% or lower. they were never going to break through, they really weren't. so it's better to, if we want to have a real conversation and figure out who is the best person to take on donald trump, which is going to be a horrific kind of days of our lives in the next 13 months, we have to winnow it down, we ever to get to who can really do that. that's what voters want. they say over and over again they want to beat donald trump. that is the number one thing that we need to see, and we're

hopefully getting there. >> it feels like the lane is biden/not biden. everybody is competing with him. feels like biden won't be a woman but eight could be women as well. >> first, if you're tired of us in iowa, you probably should drop out. we're at zero and i've never been to iowa. in the news poll, when you add up biden and warren, it's getting better. look at senator harris, what happened. she jumped in up 11 and 12 poin in the polls. i went to new hampshire. i was at a rally of like 400 people a few months ago. you talk to people and they want to see everyone.

but i'm sure cory booker is at 2%, julian castro at 2%. it's not easy. >> many of those take their job incredibly seriously. that's why you're seeing the softness in numbers. they have one or two people when they go into the caucus, yes, they pick one person, but they get convinced to move over to the other side. this is not done yet. this is not done. we have a long way to go. >> gyasi, talk about what you brought up first, which is the part of the not biden lane that is essentially warren versus sanders. it's not a perfect kind of comparison, because interestingly enough, if you ask who your second favorite is, bernie and biden share a second favorite. if you ask warren people who your second favorite is, it's

harris. in a way they're not very competitive, they have very different bases, but in a lot of ways they operate the same way with the same sort of policies. in your mind is one of them better positioned -- because they can't both be in the race. eventually they have to take each other on. >> it's sth"highlander," right, there can only be one. i was a bernie supporter in 2016, and i think that there is a certain amount of baggage that goes along with the bernie campaign. you know, the whole bernie bro stereotype. imperical data shows the bernie bro stereotype is not true. he has many, many women supporters. that said, i think that the baggage he's going to carry over from 2016, maybe because of some of the campaigning tricks of some of his supporters, that will be a burden in the long run in this artificial duality of

warren versus bernie sanders, and i think that ultimately elizabeth warren is in a better position to capitalize on that. >> that's an interesting point, though, because my daughter was for sanders before, but now she's shopping. she's looking around and she really likes warren, she likes kamala harris. so it is true she's not necessarily holding on it. a lot of his supporters and staffers and surrogates have been hitting other candidates which somewhat turns people off, or hitting them in social media. >> the ones who like bernie say they like elizabeth warren, same thing. what i'm seeing myself imperically say, i like bernie, i like harris. every once in a while, some say they like biden. but the bottom line is you don't have the energy of the people who call and say, i like biden. it's the older people who call up and say we want someone who

is going to beat trump. there's such a sense of fear about who can beat him. so, look, i know the polling says bernie and warren not being the number two choice. i hear it over and over, it is. they want between the two and they don't know what to do. many say, we want a warren/sanders ticket together. that would be some ticket. >> never going to happen. it is interesting, but kind of the sad thing of what you said there was the way you said the biden thing was sort of an okay, fine, biden. >> that's what i hear all the time. >> great job here, dean, gyasi ross, karine, thank you very much. coming up, what may be a very important story. you don't want to miss it. [ action music throughout ]

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amazon, you have another think coming. >> the amazon is burning at rapid rates. bolsonaro took office in january and took apart bhaewhat's callee planet's lungs to developers. on friday he said he would send in brazil's military to enforce environmental laws. meanwhile scientists agree that the damage done to the amazon threatens our best hope to mitigate the effectsf of climat change. joining me now is filmmaker paul rosoli who filmed the video you just saw, janice sims and environmental activist paul mckibben. did i pronounce your name right, paul? >> yes. >> how much of the amazon is on fire? >> there are something like 35 small fires. this is the dry season, so all over the reason are a bunch of

small fires. it's not actually one giant thing, but a huge collection of all small things. >> why would people who own farms, why would they burn their own land? >> the rain forest soil is not actually fertile, so they have to cut the forests, burn it down and that creates the nutrients they can farm on for a few years, but that's not a stable way of getting the water that we have. >> so people set these fires and essentially they're out of control? is that what's happening? >> this is going on every year. people are getting excited about it now, but we've lost about 20% of the amazon at this point and they're doing that to farm in the amazon which shouldn't be allowed, shouldn't be happening. we need to find an alternative way because we need this forest to be functioning. >> i learned about this from my kids very honestly who are very concerned about this. they said, mom, you have to talk about this on the show. why is it important to have the amazon? what does it do that cannot be

done by anything else? >> the amazon is one of the three or four largest forests on earth. you can't have the earth function without this vast forest there. we would still be able to breathe oxygen. the earth's oxygen supply is not going to go away, but our ability to even begin to deal with climate change, an already out of control problem as we know because we just came through the hottest month ever recorded on the planet, is less than dramatically when we take down a vast forest that does the job daily of turning carbon dioxide into oxygen. >> shannon, i'm going to come at this from a reporting standpoint. we know that 73,000 fires have been detected since january. it's an 80% increase since last year. this is going to come up at the g7 who doesn't believe in climate change will be meeting with people who do.

they said, our house is burning. literally. the amazon rain forest, the lungs when produces 20% of our planet's oxygen -- is on fire. it is an international crisis. members of the g7 summit, let's discuss the emergency first order in two days. what's the intention to bring problems to brazil? he's called the brazilian trump. is he allowing the amazon to burn because he's turning it over to developers? what's going on? >> actually, what's going on is bolsonaro's rhetoric, ever since he came into office and part of what got him into office, was he was going to help turn the amazon, quote, unquote, more productive. as paul described, you are clearing land and you're turning it into something that could be farmed. so the response that we're having internationally, that plan isn't necessarily in sync

with what we want for the globe and the global environment. >> there is a headline that says the smoke plunges sau paulo into darkness, baffling the western hemisphere's largest city. that's a dark plain that's supposed to be daytime. >> that's right. and this year -- again, this is a result of decades of deforestation, and this year the fires are so bad that you're having this eclipse from fire. this is happening all over the world and it's a snowball effect. deforestation counts for about 10% of our global emission. just stopping cutting down trees can help so much, but as this gets works we'll see the resiliency of the amazon and other forests all over the world deteriorate. nothing is isolated. they're all connected. it's all nature. >> we saw, bill mckibben, that in haiti, massive deforestation caused mudslides. we have a headline, even, out of the united states that donald

trump has pulled a bolsonaro and is clearing what used to be pristine land to allow developers and strip miners and atvs to get to it. this is a new grand staircase. they have a new plan for it which is going to allow what was a utah monument to be essentially drilled and strip-mined. we're doing the same thing here in the united states, bill. >> look, yes. a classic example is going into the national wildlife refuge is drill for oil which adds to the content in the atmosphere. we should be outraged about that. the good news is the international outrage over the last few days about brazil seems to actually be having some effect. people have gathered to embassies, people have taken to the streets, people have demanded boycotts and products. bolsonaro, who by any definition is a mini trump, seems to actually be backing down, the pressure is so great. whether or not he can rein in the forces he's let loose, of

development, logging, ranching, so on and so forth, remains to be seen. for many years the brazilians did a pretty good job of protecting deforestation. it went down dramatically in the 1990s. there's been backsliding in recent years, as paul was pointing out. this year it's gotten completely out of control because there is a new boss and he's made it clear what he wants to happen. >> shannon, any hope there will be any progress at the g7 out of any of this? >> this is a real unprecedented situation, and bolsonaro is complaining on twitter and he gave an international address in brazil that was booed across many neighborhoods in brazil, but he's claiming this is a soverei sovereigncyi sovereigncy issue and he will manage it. >> what can people do in their everyday lives to reduce the

dependence on the amazon? >> we need to completely realize our relationship with the natural world. we all need the amazon, we all need our oceans. make no mistake, we're seeing the indication of a defining issue of our time. we need to protect these ecosystems if we want the earth continuing to look like it does. >> killing forests for cash. thank you guys for being here. coming up, the most powerful religious group you've probably never heard of. that's next. ous group you've pr never heard of that's next.

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this was a group with tentacles around the world. >> a humble example of leadership that the world has never seen. >> a breathtaking enmeshment of church and state. >> there were colleagues, senators, world leaders. >> they said it's about faith, but there's a shared understanding that what we're really about here is power. >> i'd like to single out doug coe. >> doug coe was the longtime leader of the family. >> he's the most powerful man in washington you've never heard of. >> the new netflix documentary series "the family" documents

the group around the world. they are known to honor the senate prayer breakfast which every president has attended. but its intent is much more widespread and much more controversial than people realize. joining me now, jeff charlotte, whose family is the basis for the documentary. and jeff moss. jeff, i saw this and it scared the hell out of my husband and myself. we watched it all in one go and it is frightening. the response says though the netflix docudrama series mischaracterizes the work of the fellowship and attempts to portray people of faith in a bad right, we are encouraged by how often viewers are introduced to and challenged by the person and principles of jesus, which are at the core of our mission and

message. how did this get started? >> the founders decided the great depression was a punishment by god on america basically for fdr's policies. he gathered together a group of businessmen who he felt god told him were chosen for leadership. he believed christianity had been getting it wrong by focusing on the poor and down and out. he thought god wanted them to focus on the elite and the up and up so they could concentrate on the principles they believed was the christian kingdom. >> jesus did not administer to the rich, he administered to the poor. he said love the poor and immigrant, not the rich. you were there in one of these young people's houses in the family. did you get the sense they worship the wealthy, that the wealthy are the better of god and the select? >> i never saw any poor people

during my time span with them. in fact, we would have workshops in what's called biblical capitalism, this idea that capitalism is foretold in the bible, and the way you help the poor is by making the >> rich:er ric rich richer so they can do good works. when i was living with them, i was in one house among many, incredible real estate built around a mansion called the cedars where i saw leading politicians, senators, congressmen, even former heads of state. this was very much about power and not the poor. >> jesse, i'm going to play a little clip of it. let me play that quickly. this is clip one. >> i've seen pictures of the young men in the red guard. 20 years, 22 years old in china. a table laid out like a butcher table. they would bring in this young man's mother and father, lay her

on the table, put a basket on the end. he would take an ax and cut her head off. vietcong, hitler, mussoline with the black shirts, we pledged to be there to the death. that was a covenant. >> what is the most alarming thing you learned in developing this film? >> what's troubling is the secrecy of the group. they do not talk to the news media. they've worked in secret for decades. that's a presidential strategy. and we thought it was our responsibility to look at the work of the fellowship. jeff's book was the foundation for our series, but we wanted to know what is their relevance today? finding the answer to that question took a lot of digging. why was a russian spy at the national prayer breakfast? what was congress ben aterhold

doing in virginia? these answers were not easy to find, but i think it shows what the extent of this secret organization is. >> you show them pushing anti-lgbt laws in europe. what power do they have of governments and former governments? >> as jeff points out, they don't go by the same rules as other christian organizations. they're not lobbying on specific legislative issues. so assessing their influence and power requires an understanding of their theology, and i think that's what the series does offer insight to a theology that explains how the christian rite could embrace a president like donald trump. >> jeff, is it just about worshipping wealth and substituting that for worshipping god, or is there something more to it? >> the family has always been around an idea that centers american power around the globe.

even as the most christian rite organizations, it's based in washington and it's based on an idea of brutal, brutal politique with the most murderous dick tarl -- dictators around the world. they call them wolf kings, and with donald trump, you see them embrace an authoritarianism that they've embraced here in the united states. >> and do they seek democracy over power or power over democracy? >> finding the answers to those questions, what is the substance of that relationship, is not something they make easy to do. but i think there is a tension. if they're working towards god-led government, i think that's in conflict with our constitution and our separation of church and state. >> not only that, but everything that's written in red in the

bible, that's the challenge here. they're saying they're about jesus but they're also about the people who are not supposed to go through the eye of a needle, the very, very rich having it all. jeff shar let, jesse moss, i highly recommend people watch this. it's called "the family" on netflix. we'll be back after the break. ♪ work so hard ♪ give it everything you got ♪ strength of a lioness ♪ tough as a knot ♪ rocking the stage ♪ and we never gonna stop ♪ all strength, no sweat. ♪ just in case you forgot ♪ all strength. ♪ no sweat secret. all strength. no sweat.

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