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coast, 4:00 a.m. on the west coast. president trump making big claims about the u.s. economy. >> the market is doing great. our country is doing great. you people want a recession because you think maybe that's a way to get trump out. we have horrible trade deals and i'm straightening them out. >> and the second thought admin getting a lot of attention. >> a sense of calm ends with clashes in hong kong. >> new developments in the jeffery epstein saga. a statement from prince andrew and he'll tell you exactly what he saw. >> we'll begin with breaking news. any moment now president trump expected to take part on a working luncheon inequality. apparently is a major theme this year in southwest france. >> moments ago the president met
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with prime minister trudeau. the president claimed there is tree metremendous support for a new nafta. >> we have a great deal to benefit the middle class. >> we have ideas. the farmers love it, unions love it, workers love it. everybody likes it. most democrats like it. >> a lot of meetings this morning. before that, the president met with japanese prime minister abe and said the u.s. is very close with reaching a major trade deal with japan. the president also joined a working session he requested to discuss the world economy. >> a meeting with boris johnson and listen to what the president
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said. >> are your allies pressuring you to give up the trade war with china? >> no, not at all. i think they respect the trade war. nobody has told me that. nobody would tell me that. >> do you think you are es ska lating the trade war with china? >> yeah. might as well. >> do you have second thoughts about the trade war with china? >> i have second thoughts about everything. >> are you prepared to declare a national emergency? >> well i could. >> listen to what p.m. johnson advised the president on trade? >> on the trade war -- we think on the whole, the uk massively involved the past hundred years in free trade.
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>> prime minister, you don't like tariffs. >> how about the last three years? >> to dig into all of the latest, nbc kelly o'donnell, and new digital reporter traveling with the president and political reporter. >> we'll start with kelly there in southwest france. the president was making news about responding to questions of bringing russia back into the fold. >> the president has long signaled an interest of bringing russia back into the g7 and making it a group of eight again. russia was compelled in 2018 because it an exed illegally crimea. they decided that conduct really was not acceptable. for the year since, russia has not been a part of this group.
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we have heard so many times how president trump has discussed the importance of russia for partnerships dealing with issues like iran or syria. they don't have the economic stature of other country's here. he's always had an openness. we've been through the entire russia investigation in the united states. that is the back drop. now we come to a point where now france is the host of the g7. next year, the rotation goes to the united states. so president trump will be the host. he has been asked would russia be invited back. no vote has been taken but here is how he responded to those questions today. >> i think that is a work in progress. we have a number of people that would like to see russia back. i think it would be advantageous
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to many things in the world. i think it would be a positive. it is something we are discussing. i don't know that we'll make a decision one way or the other. we did have a discussion about russia last night as to whether or not we want to invite them back. i think it is advantageous. i think it is positive. other people agree and others don't necessarily agree. >> in another follow up question, reporters asked if the president would name which other leaders were for this or not in favor. the president wouldn't name names but he made clear his desire to see russia included again but also made it very clear it is not a resolved issue. something worth talking about going forward but an unresolved issue. it takes on a lot of other baggage for the president politically when you consider
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everything that happened with the russia investigation. other world leaders would view that differently. they are taking it from the position of the ukraine and for the uk, it would be the attempted attempted assassination through poisoning of the agents. the president seems to be in favor of including russia. >> thank you. >> also joining us now, our nbc ne news white house reporter who is in southwest france. welcome to nbc, give us a sense of the mood there. what is standing out to you? >> well the president is really making an effort to play up the co unity among these allies, even though we know there are some
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deep divides. kelly mentioned the divide on russia, the divide on trade. boris johnson saying, yes, we do think free open markets and trade is the best policy. we even saw a bit of daylight between the president and japanese prime minister abe who is one of his closest allies here on north korea with the president saying he doesn't think north korea is in violations with any of the latest testing they are doing and abe saying, yes, they are clearly in violation. the president going out of his way to play up the unity. he tweeted this morning that that is fake news. the media is playing up the divide. i would say even the staff here is feeling the divide. there has been some back and forth exchanges about u.s. media
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access. i've heard complaints about logistic al access. >> when the president suggests he has second thoughts on the u.s./china trade spat, what does that telegraph to the chinese president? >> right. it could telegraph maybe a softening. i believe his response, you saw a clip of it, it was almost a flippant response when he could have taken a very strong stance. i'm not really sure what to make of his thinking based on that response. if you were chinese officials watching it, you could say, oh, okay, maybe he's willing to soften and there is roof for talks and maybe a way for the
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president to show there is a crack. >> the president also saying his counterparts respect the u.s. trade war with china. but we have boris johnson saying it is a contributing factor to the global economic weakening. are they not conveying the same message here to the president? >> yeah, i think as shannon was alluding to. he's playing up the commerodity. he's trying to be on his best behavior. especially after word he canceled his meeting with denmark because they would not sell him greenland, which is astonishing to say out loud but trump does appear to be on his best behavior. i've seen some reporting that
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trump and his team are upset that macron wants to focus on climate change and development and trump wants to focus within trade moving forward. with that remark that he might have second thoughts on the trade war, trump says a lot of things. he flip flops a lot. i'm not sure we should read too much into that. >> flip flops and doubles down quite a bit as well. the market wept down sont down points after his tweet. do you get a sense of the implication of those tweets and threats? >> i think he's certainly getting nervous. as we get closer and closer to 2020, he's realizing how a recession might hurt him, including with his base. his base is extremely loyal.
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they've forgiven him for a lot. a recession could hit him really hard. moving into this meeting in a room of leaders that might show some animosity towards him, i think, yes, he needs to take a conciliatory tone. as i said, he flip flops a lot. we'll see what he says by the end of the weekend. >> shannon, the move going into this weekend was really volatile. it may now be in a happier place. what do you think about the trump administration's ability in france? >> the trade war in china. he has iran provoking him. the situation in korea.
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in china, if he had other european countries coming to put tariffs. if he could find some way to work with them on iran, that could help him too. they could help give him a perceived win on trade with europe, which is something he's been talking a lot about on the campaign trail, unfair trade with europe. he could use some help from his friends rather than this i alone can fix it policy. maybe that is one thing we could see, if not tangibly this week, somewhere down the line. >> shannon, welcome. we are so glad you are here. john, thank you as well. prince andrew going on the record about his former friendship with jeffery epstein.
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>> i hope members of congress, especially the leadership recognize open hearings before the cameras are really, really important for the country in terms of dealing with even the most controversial issues, in terms of airing out the most controversial stuff. airing it out and having us all have the same information enables us to be better citizens. britain's prince andrew is clarifying details about his past relationship with the accused sex trafficker jeffery epstein. in a statement he says, at no stage i spent with him did i see, whitney behavior of the sort that subsequently led to his behavior and arrest. >> questions resurfaced after he was mentioned in court documents
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recently unsealed just before epstein was found dead in jail. >> joining us now, danny is an nbc legal analyst. i see you ahe and prince andrew been friends for years. what do you think of his wording here? >> i think it is interesting the choice of words he used. he's trying to distance himself. he's saying he had limited behavior. he didn't actually see him do any of these things. that didn't mean that wasn't happening. he did admit he stayed at his residence and he saw him once or twice a year, he flew on his jet. i think he's trying to put a spin on this and limit people looking at him so he is looked at in a better light.
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i think the investigation is going to look at these contacts. they did search warrants of epstein's house. they have search wants and video, they probably have surveillance. they'll see whether or not the prince was there and whether he had a much more significant connection to jeffery epstein in the coming months. >> that is interesting. is it potentially dangerous for the prince if he returns to the u.s.? he's under investigation possibly by the u.s. authorities right now, right? is. >> it may not matter. it is possible that prince could have what is called head of state immunity. in 1978, a court said prince charles was immune for civil rights trials arising out of northern ireland. ten years later, the district state in new york extended immunity to the first lady of mexico. this is law that has been
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applied generally to rulers but extended to their close family members. on the civil side, in one sense the statement could be to avoid liability but on the other hand, it is possible that prince andrew could be immune to any lawsuit in the united states. >> even though he's not a ruler by any chance, he's just a royal? >> right. it has been extended to prince charles, the first lady of mexico in 1988. beyond just a ruler, which would be queen elizabeth to members of her family. the possible wrinkle, the person that gets to decide whether or not to extend immunity is the executive branch. the head of the executive branch is the president. there is federal law that says congress is supposed to be involved. when it comes to individuals, it has been the executive that
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makes the call. >> we do know they are gathering evidence as ashley said here. if they are gathering all of this evidence, documentation and photos and it does come up that prince andrew was more involved, what does that mean for the u.s. relationship with the uk, the royal family? how complicated can this get? >> it can get very complicated. as it was said, we've an issue of whether or not he'll extend that protection. whether or not there are civil charges pending, he could still be interviewed with connection to the criminal connection. the crown and royals do not want this tarnish on him. that doesn't mean this won't play out in the media and this is not going to be something that will tarnish the crown and the royalty. >> let's talk about the
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investigation into epstein's death. just late friday, the department of justice confirmed that epstein was taken off suicide watch following a psychologist recommendation. could there be legal consequences for that recommendation? what did this letter tell us? >> there may not be consequences. it is very difficult to hold the government liable, i mean the jail facility, it is not enough simply that epstein was able to commit suicide. his family and relatives would have to show that the jail was deliberately indifferent to his suicidal tendencies. keep in mind, his lawyers asked in strong language to be taken off suicide watch. there was evidence he was no longer on suicide threat. the key is that the government is not the absolute garantor
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that the suspect is like subject to suicide. >> days before, he had signed over his estate to his brother two days before he killed himself. how does that change the picture? >> it definitely complicates things. they have to try to freeze those assets. they have to take this extra step. they've already tried to do that. his will is being probated in t virgin islands. they have to ask a judge there to hold the assets and freeze them. i still think we'll see some potential lawsuits against the jail for what danny was
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mentioning, the deliberate indifference. the psychologist actually took him off could be facing some civil liability for making that call to take him off suicide watch. >> shouldn't that have been a red flag he was changing his will so last minute and two days before all of this took place? >> that is very interesting you mentioned that, the manual for suicide prevention lists specifically as one of the factors you look out for that the inmate gives away his possessions or revises his will. that balances the fact that epstein wanted to be off suicide watch. statistics show only a small percentage of prisoners who commit suicide are on watch.
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they try to convince the jail they are no longer a threat so then they are not watched so closely. it may also be evidence that suicide watch works. >> thank you, guys. >> thank you. recession or no recession and second thoughts. next, the message from the president on the trade war and the strength of the u.s. economy. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey.rkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking,
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to your morning headlines. brazil and the military joining the fight to put outraging amazon wildfires. 40,000 troops and planes will be used. this move is in reaction to out cry in brazil and around the world against the government's poor handling of that crisis. many of the fires were set in already deforested areas clearing forest land. several golf fans are recovering after that huge lightening strike at a pga event in atlanta yesterday. fans sought shelter during the
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delay when lightening hit the top of the tree. six people were injured and treated at the hospital for injuries. >> andrew luck confirmed last night he is retiring. the new stunned fans. the 29-year-old suffered injuries and was expected to miss the start of the season in just a couple of weeks. developing this hour, president trump meeting at the g7 summit in france. fears of recession at home keep looming over him. >> you people want a recession because you think maybe that's the way to get trump out, maybe that's the way to get him out. i don't even think that would work because, look, if anything, we have to go through trade negotiations to get it. ultimaty, it will be many times it was before. >> joining us now, former
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national social justice director and former staffer to senator rand paul. good morning, guys. >> trump is starting to brush off a possible recession just as reporters are starting to report on what is actually happening with the numbers here. a new survey showed 74% of economists expect a recession by the end of 2021. does the president need to be taking this a little more seriously here? >> economists will also note, the economy under president trump has created over 6 million jobs, a half million this year, consumer confidence is high. the economy is right now doing great. president trump is correct that democrats are rooting for a recession because they think that will help them next fall.
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there may be a recession coming but it isn't here right now and let's not get ahead of ourselves. >> it was interesting because the president was asked the question whether he regretted escalating the trade war with china. there was some class a spin that took place from the press secretary where she says, the president was asked if he had any second thought. his answer has been greatly misinterpreted. he responded in the affirmative because he regrets not raising the tariffs higher. that's some good spin. >> i think there is enough regrets going around for everyone. i regret trump talking about in front of global leaders. i know one thing for sure, that will be played over and over by democrat candidates. i know i would. i would have that rolling out
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first thing in the morning. the fact that he's even admitted that, which is hard for the president to do makes me wonder if it is worse off than we know. >> real fast, do you buy the accusation that democrats want a recession? absolutely not, i would hope to think democrats or any leadership or american citizen would not root on a recession. i don't think that is something the people are looking forward to. i think they are trying to find ways to take this president down. the economy is a strong point for him. anyway they can poke holes in that economy. i don't think anyone is wishing for anyone to fail. >> how about this, do the democrats need a recession to win and beat president trump? >> i think they do. if you look at history, when
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presidents have a very strong economy, we saw this with president obama. the economy was growing and strong, incumbents win. if history is any lesson to us, you look at the growth and numbers and they very much favor president trump getting elected, even if the polling numbers don't look so great. history would say, it doesn't matter the incumbent party, the president always wins. >> things appear to be going well for the president at the g7 summit now. of course, he left a lot of controversy behind back in the u.s. let's take a look back. >> i am the chosen one. somebody had to do it so i'm taking on china. you vote for a democrat, you are being very disloyal to jewish people and you you are being
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disloyal to israel. only weak people would say anything other than that. denmark, i looked forward to going but i thought the prime minister's statement that it was an absurd idea was nasty and an inappropriate statement. >> how much do his overseas trips affect public sentiment here on the home front? >> it makes an absolute difference. we were talking about history shows. i think what president trump has done is rewrite history. we can't look to history or polls about this administration. this is all brand new. we are taking incoming as it comes in. when we look at what he's doing globally and here, it is not just the economy. saying you are the chosen one, which is very disrespectful to christians, believe it or not there are christians that are democrats as well. that effects our position on the
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global and national front. >> let's talk about the economy. there is new polling that shows when it comes to just trump voters here, 41% would hold him responsible. do you get a sense this is a snap shot of how important this is for his base? >> not only for his base but the american people as a whole. i think the economy is the biggest issue. if it hits a bump, it will greatly affect president trump's chances. right now, with historically low unemployment rates across demographics. >> more on the economy, the way
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democrats and republicans talk about the economy is so fundamentally different. you have a numbers game being played by the president and inequality the focus of the democrats here. is there an opportunity for democrats to take that message and be more discussed to voters out there who are maybe swing voters? >> i absolutely have been critical of the democratic party. i worked with bernie sanders. i am not a socialist in any way there is. i ran my own business and i know how important it is to sign the front of a check. i do think senator elizabeth warren talks about the opportunity to bring those two together. i hope she does. a lot of candidates don't do that well. biden does, he always have. i think a lot could improve in the area to talk about those
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that run a business. >> let's leave it there. thank you, guys. coming up, here on msnbc be sure to catch up with david. >> we have two candidates for president joining us. one is a democrat, john delaney and the other bill weld a republican running against president trump and one other guest i want to flag, david wallace wells, he wrote the best seller, "the uninhabitable earth." we'll get him to weigh in on those fires in the amazon. >> the calm ends with clashes in hong kong. what is happening on the streets today, a live report ahead. ever, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work.
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>> breaking news in hong kong now. protesters there are on the march in the rain. what is the latest on the ground? >> like so many protests over the last several days, this one started quietly, peace fully and didn't end that way. tear gas, protesters throwing bricks at police and what has become a bit of a dance in this new norm here where police were
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trying to push protesters back and protesters were advancing against police and that ending with confrontation. what we are seeing now is a couple hundred riot police doing a walk through of this area being supported by the vehicles behind. they are trying to clear the area out. it has been barricaded for hours. for the first time, the police brought water cannons. the protesters have dissipated into the area. you see pockets on overpasses. some were just down the street and near a shopping mall. police were being sent there to clear them out. roads remain barricaded. police will try to get the area cleaned up to get things back to normal as hong kong goes back to work tomorrow. >> how much closer does this get
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protesters to getting their demands in front of authorities and creating progress and concrete results here, do you think? >> it is a dilemma for both sides here. the movement started as extradition. it has expanded its scope to include the concerns that go to the very heart of what hong kong is, its autonomy and freedom from the oppressive rule. there are a larger set of demands that need to be tackled here in this leaderless movement. the hong kong government here has agreed to address in a small way a couple of the certaioncer saying it will delay the extradition bill and it will have this investigation into police conduct.
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it still falls short of what protesters are looking for. i've seen graffiti appear on walls and barriers that we didn't see a couple months back when this protest movement started. that's on the protester side. on the government side, we now have china much more vested on the conflict here wanting to prevent it or anything associated from it spreading to the main land, the prop owe ganda machine is in full swing. so beijing trying to squeeze but dangling the other option of chinese paramilitary forces that are waiting and preparing down the road. >> it appears this has been an escalation this weekend. we have seen plenty of violence but does this seem that once
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again, we are at that tipping point? >> if we do a quick time line of this, back in june, the protests really did draw all ages. those one and two million people in the streets, it was everybody. it was kids and families, it was a quarter of the population that turned out for that one protest. if you fast forward a bit to where protests have escalated to involve some violent tactics on both sides, i think there was a tipping point at the airport. i think both sides were shocked by the level of violence that took place there. that's why immediately after there was a sense there was a step back. both sides wanted to press reset. we have seen that change, i would say, over the last week. this intensification on both sides and the appearance now that neither side is about to
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beach in france, where it's 77 degrees and sunny today. president trump is at a working lunch about inequality. we do not have live pictures of that. but, the president is making quite a few newsmaking remarks this morning. we'll hear more on that at the top of the hour. in the meantime, the escalating trade war with china, not far from the president's mind. he spoke about the trade war over breakfast with boris johnson and expressed some doubts. >> i just -- i have second thoughts about everything. >> good morning, sabeel. >> good morning, jo. >> the white house is trying to clarify, saying the president answered that because he regrets
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not raising the tariffs higher. do you believe that? >> you know what? it's hard to understand what president trump's strategy is when it comes to a trade war with china. now, that's what president trump wants, ultimately, he wants china to cave into the pressure he is putting by ratcheting up tariffs and wants them to sign a deal. the issues on the table are serious. and there's many companies that agree with president trump when it comes to addressing unfair trade practices that china has put in place. other issues, just manipulating the currency, that gives china unfair advantages. also, the forced tech transfers. all those issues are on the table. that's what president trump wants to address. but the strategy is the issue here. and ratcheting up tariffs has
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not given them the result they want. china is going to have reta retaliatory tariffs. >> let's take a closer look to the tariffs on chinese goods and u.s. goods. the first round is expected to go into effect on september 1st. here's a few things that will be affected right away. soybeans, fruit, seafood. on december 15th, coffee, cars, whisky, cigars and tvs. consumers really could feel the pinch from all of this. >> absolutely. consumers will feel this in their pockets. economists have estimated that the trade war is costing consumers $800 a year. but jpmorgan calculated that the 10% tariffs on chinese goods will increase the financial pain for consumers to about $1,000.
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but of course jpmorgan hadn't calculated the escalation we saw on friday, when president trump said there was going to be additional tariffs. right now, there's the current tariffs in place, at the rate of 25%. president trump wants to ratchet that up to 30% come october 1st. there's a new set of tariffs that are supposed to hit on september 1st and september 15th. president trump wants to raise that to 15%. >> we talk so much about consumer spending, what does that mean in terms of dollar amounts for my holiday shopping budget? >> jo, you have to be -- >> power hour. >> our christmas shopping. you have to be picky about the items.
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president trump framed it like it was a gift to the nation. they're 77% apparel, footwear, that is going to be tariffed come september 1st. that's going to impact the consumers and the shopping season. >> thank you so much for being here. >> all right. thank you. global crisis. new information ahead on the amazon fires. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand.
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all right. we're out of time for this hour of msnbc live. i'm jo ling kent and i'm headed over to the "today" show. >> we'll see you again at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. time, now, for "up" with david gura. >> this is "up." i'm david gura. at the g7 summit in france, trump went to bed late and woke up early. this morning, a one-on-one with prime minister boris johnson and with the prime ministers of japan and canada. it's lunchtime. the seven leaders are breaking bread and talking about inequality, one of the theme of this year's gathering. but concern continues to mount over trade and the strength of the global economy. we're going to bring you the latest from the g7 summit this morning. we're going to go to live to brazil to get an update on
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