of msnbc live. i'm jo ling kent and i'm headed over to the "today" show. >> we'll see you again at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. time, now, for "up" with david gura. >> this is "up." i'm david gura. at the g7 summit in france, trump went to bed late and woke up early. this morning, a one-on-one with prime minister boris johnson and with the prime ministers of japan and canada. it's lunchtime. the seven leaders are breaking bread and talking about inequality, one of the theme of this year's gathering. but concern continues to mount over trade and the strength of the global economy. we're going to bring you the latest from the g7 summit this morning. we're going to go to live to brazil to get an update on the massive wildfires in the amazon.

two candidates will join us. one democrat and one republican. and what the president's economic advisers are saying as investors count down to the hours of the market open tomorrow. with me is katie beng. hayes brown is a senior editor for buzz feed news. christopher dickey not in france. he's an msnbc contributor and an editor of "the daily beast." she joins us from the g7. and that's where we start this morning. i want to give you the latest on those meetings. it's 2:00 p.m. in france. and in his public comments and tweets, the president has criticized the u.s. media and has brought russia back into the fold, making the g7 the g8 again. he also talked about north korea's missile tests. >> what do you have to say about north korea conducting more

tests? >> i'm not happy about it. >> the prime minister of japan said the tests are regrettable and a violation of the u.n. agreement. today's biggest bilateral meeting was with the united kingdom's boris johnson. president trump said he was the right man to deliver brexit and he commented on a recession back home. >> maybe that's the way to get trump out. maybe that's the way we get him out. i don't know if that would work. look, if anything, you have to go into trade negotiations to get it right. ultima ultimately, it will be many times. >> and there were these comments on the trade war with china. >> sure, why not? >> do you have second thoughts of escalating a war? >> i have second thoughts about everything. >> second thoughts about everything. the white house is pushing back on those comments, saying the president's remarks are being greatly misinterrupted and he

regrets not raising the tariffs higher. help us understand what's playing out here. i'm struggling with the fact he was asked that twice. your reaction from what you heard from the president at that meeting, what we're hearing from the press secretary subsequent to that. >> it was really president trump in rare form. we usually do not hear the president second-guessing himself, apologizing at all, rethinking his strategy. here, we have the president saying, maybe there's some other ways to deal with china. i have second regrets about things. and the white house is walking that back. at the g7, the president wanted to project strength, he wanted to project not being weak and that the american economy can withstand anything. and he is about america first. here, we see the president a little adjusting that message. that's making some people

worried. you see the press secretary trying to walk that back. i think it will be interesting to hear them talking more about the fact that the president, while he was praising the new grandmother of the u.k., boris johnson said we have had 200 years of free trade in the u.k. and we have appreciated that, and have benefited from that. that's a direct difference than what the president has been saying. the president has been saying trade wars and toariffs on chin is the way to get countries to do what he wants him to do. >> larry kudlow wrote this piece for "the wall street journal" before the g7 got under way. and it's insight to how this administration approaches this event. no, it's not about the dialogue. not about coming to agreement, about showing the world what the u.s. is and what president trump's economy is. he's explicit about that. the g7 is in danger of completely losing its way. help us understand how that is being telegraphed in each of the meetings we've seen so far. >> each of the meets so far has

been, as is usual with the trump administration, all about the show and not much about what is actually being said. with the president, the artifice of everything is, as real is as it's going to get, unfortunately. you see him talking with abe, aabout an abe -- it's -- you see the leaders playing along to an extent. abe is saying, oh, yeah. our trade deal is why things are going well. boris johnson you expect this more of. trump playing up the relationship they want to have. macron at the lunch yesterday. trump is reminding everyone. it's interesting that you have the leaders that are rightly concerned about the dwloebl economy. but as they're gathered to discuss how to fix things and get things back on the right track, they're having to play this role for the trumped a trags in order to keep things civil enough that we just get through monday.

>> why does it take the press to press back, right? if you have world leaders at a table, why are you normalizing trump's behavior and the policies. wouldn't it take the stronger or the more powerful of the two to be able to push back against him and say, why are we having this substantive conversations? instead, there's a total disregard for what is happening in the united states and being passive aggressive. we're going to talk trash when you're not with me but when you're with me, we're going to smile and say everything is okay. >> there was a moment that talking to president trump, he wanted to make a sleeplike comment. >> sheepishly. >> about trade. saying these trade wars are not good for the global economy. >> it's an interesting segment to watch. it looks like boris johnson was

making fun of trump a little bit. and trump didn't understand what was going on. trump is so egotistical, he hears what he wants to hear until he reads it somewhere or sees it on fox news. and he goes, oh, god, is that what happened? and he tweets furiously. coming back to what katie is saying, in fact, everyone wants to make nice right now. and one of the surprising things about this summit, up to the moment, is that trump wants to make nice, too. he hasn't been blowing it up. we haven't seen the things going on that we saw at the end of the summit in canada last year. he wants to -- every so often, someone puts something in his ear and says, try to look presidential. >> that was presidential for him. they both need a hair brush. but other than that. yamiche, there's been conversation about the g7 going to the g8, and the g7

contracting, the g5 plus two or the g6 plus one. how much of that is front of mind here? how the institution is changing its relevance here in 2019, as you look at other world economies, like brazil, which is a focus there. and like india and china. >> well, the pressure over the g7 had been whether or not trump was going to come with his unpredictable behavior. and that behavior has made people say this is the g6 plus one. he has different views on trade and climate change. it's contracting away from its role in leading in those two areas. the president has been lying, frankly, about why russia was kicked out of the g8 in the first place. he kept saying that president

obama was outsmarted by russia. it's actually russia is ukraine. there are sources saying the leaders of canada and germany are people that do not want to see russia back in. the experts i was talking to, says it's going to be hard to convince the g7 to let russia back in. the behavior of russia has not changed. it's very much in crimea. the president is floating this idea and saying that russia might be invited next year when the united states is hosting. that's no meat to the idea that russia will be back to the g7. russia is not also asking to be back in if g7, i think the president wants that looming here as he talks about other thing things. he's changed the agenda of the g7. there's not going to be a joint

communique because the president refused to sign it last year. that's what we see when we see the fracturing of the international organizations under president trump. >> and one of the more astonishing, in the larry kudlow piece, complaining there's not going to be a communique. and blaming the rest of the g7 that it's something the trump administration would have wanted. what she was talking, joining this group. how much of this is academic? is there any crossing in? >> in the g6, g7, g8 is academic. what is the point of this organization? it doesn't make policy. the leaders get together. the original idea in 1975 was that they were all like-minded democracies with the nation. and they were the nations that

were the most industrialized nations in the world. none of that is true anymore, to the extent it was in 1975. and it was created as a counterweight to the zsoviet union. >> why not challenge trump on a world stage? >> who is supposed to do that? also, look at who is there. we have an incredibly weak group of people, leaders, at this summit. conte has resigned. merkel is a lame duck. macron's facing protests in his own country. he has political problems. >> not polling well. >> huge tensions with south korea. who are the strong figures that are going to stand up to trump? and boris johnson, well.

>> last question to you, what are you watching for over this -- we vice president seen what we saw in canada. but there's 36 hours left. are the meetings going to be like the remaining ones left, especially the bilaterals. we have a trump meeting with the prime minister of india, even though india is not a member of the g7. he's there and they will meet. what is going to be the result of that? how is this going to end? canada was a mess last year. and they've been hitting france up in the press. why are we talking about gender inequality and africa. why are you doing this? >> we'll see what happens. yamiche, thank you for joining us. up ahead, the republican

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this is "up." i'm david gura. and this week, another republican has indicated he may run against trump in 2020. that's joe walsh, the one-term congressman from illinois, part of the tea party. like him, another republican

congressman, mark sanford, has expressed interest. but so far, there's only one candidate officially running. that's bill weld. he was in new hampshire on fridays, talking about immigration. he was trying to contrast between his policy position and the president's. >> there's been a lot of contributions made. and i'm proud of the fact that the united states has been a melting pot. i think our current president would not agree with that. i think it's un-american. >> joining me now is governor weld. thank you for being here. if you're going to be paying attention to what's on abc this week, joe walsh is going to be on that show.

i can't wait i think the contrast between a thinking individual and trump can be refreshing. and mark sanford is taking a 30-day look-see at it. that can only be good. the president, in my view, has not had a good month. the new abortion statutes, anti-abortion statutes, he's siding with rapists against women, and sides with murders e as opposed to our allies. when you think it can't get worse, i think the president is getting confused. >> i follow you on twitter. you used #25thamendment in one of the tweets. you call it clear and present damage to the globe and to himself.

campaigning evolve. and situations evolve. the president is moving towards the looney tunes of his internal musi musings. you see the trade policy with china. that's no way to run policy. but he seems to be living the demons in his head. and he would say, with affection, if he wasn't in the job he is, he is struggling. but he is the president of the united states. we have to take that seriously and stand up and point out the emperor doesn't have any new clothes. that's what i am hoping that walsh and sanford are going to help me to do. >> if i can paraphrase you here, you're seeing strength in numbers here. if there's a robust debate that

emerges between you and the other candidates, that's likely going to attract attention to what you're trying to do here. >> not attracting just to me but attracting attention to what the president is doing, so we don't go for the entertainment value without realizing how serious it is, when he runs the trial balloons up, hoping people will salute it. this is our stable genius that's such a genius, he threatened to sue the university of pennsylvania if his grade scores or his aptitudes ever became public. it's a lie a minute. >> let's past our gaze at one of the trial balloons you just mentioned. that's a tweet the president september out earlier this week, hereby ordering american companies not to do business with china. you weighed in on that, as well. help us understand, sir, how things change this week. with this tweet in particular, with that hereby ordered, how

did that change? >> that's a dictatorial argument, to do what i do because i'm the president. and i'm the messiah, the chosen one, the king of israel. like i say, it's getting worse. it's a slippery slope when you're as self-indulgent and narcissistic as the president is. and he's losing his moorings. i say he needs to be removed from office. first choice, impeachment or removal by congress. it's their duty at this point. second choice, 25th amendment. second choice is just the 2020 election. but if need be, if he keeps careening around, 25th amendment. >> governor, what do you say to those that look at your campaign and see it in salem, new hampshire, and make the way around the granite state. don't notice huge crowds. and don't notice this gathering

seem. and wonder about the efficacy of what you're trying to do here. >> crowds are better. people paying attention. we had seven events in new hampshire yesterday, six the day before. the reaction is uniformly positive. you know, people up there are moderate. they are not extremists. when i tell them i'm a new england republican, i don't have to explain to them in new hampshire and massachusetts and vermont, what that means. i have a good feeling how things are going. my objective is to bring in more unaffiliated independent voters who can vote in those states and democrats. e ma i make the case to them, you can vote against him twice. once for me in the primary and whatever you want in the

general. and i'm getting traction with that argument. >> you seem to be evicted by the republican party. they are rejecting your candidacy. why is this the lane you choose to be in? >> the party was split up and one went one way and the other way. this may happen in 2020. the president's strategy, it's an extreme strategy, is going to leave all of the republicans in swing in suburban districts out to dry in the house. in the senate -- if no one in the senate stands up and says we disagree with the president's racism, we want to disassociate ourselves from that. i mean expressly. if they don't do that, they're going to lose. i saw what happened in the nixon year. i saw all those brave men and women, the republicans, go through the draining effort of

defending mr. nixon all through the summer of 1974. and the tapes came out saying he was lying, not knowing about the watergate conspiracy. and they all lost. if the president is not challenged by his own party, you're going to see a democratic senate in 2020. >> bill weld, thank you very much for the time. that's candidate for republican nomination for president. the chosen one, that messy streak that had just been referred to a moment ago, what he is saying is sarcasm, calling it a joke, how they're not getting much laughter from religious leaders. we trust usaa more than any other company out there. they give us excellent customer service, every time. our 18 year old was in an accident. usaa took care of her car rental,

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i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. >> oh, are you happy you voted for me. you are so lucky i gave you that privilege. >> this is "up." i'm david gura. and president trump does not shy away from being grandiose. this week, he went a step further. this is gail collins' article in "the new york times." trump goes godly. that happened after he said this

about his trade war with china. >> somebody had to do it. i am the chosen one. somebody had to do it. so, i'm taking on china. >> this was in the president's ho hometown paper. the cover of "the new york daily news." you see the last supper with the last whopper. joining us is al sharpton. your reaction to this. this is a guy of delusions of grandeur that has talked about biblical things in the past. he is calling it satire. saying it was clearly a joke. >> any of us that have known him for years, did not surprise. he any thinks he can walk on water. the fact that anyone took him to mean it seriously, will tell us

how people view him. any other president we would have said just joking. the fact there's a question tells you how collusional most americans know how this president really is. does he believe he's the chosen one? probably. he really thinks he's special. he was born and raised and has a sense of entitlement and rejection at the same time. he feels rejected by new york who didn't feel he was one of them. and he was showing leaders that i have the right to do this. he's a paradoxal figure that can explain his personality. >> i'm going to guess he has not read matthew 27:42.

>> in the mpaign, that was his favorite scriptures, it was all of them. if he read matthew. i can laugh about what he says. but i can worry about what he says. how about us that make jokes of this? >> he is making light of things that people take very seriously. whether you're a democrat, republican, left or right, we take it seriously. the whole question of faith is built on that christ manifested god's word to the children. that's no way to talk about the chosen one. many are chosen for a chosen purpose. i think the statement that i was being sarcastic or whatever he said, is probably more offensive as saying i'm the chosen one

because why would you make light out of many people? and many of us have dedicated our ourselves to a belief. >> there's hypocrisy over this conversation this week. there was another comment that the president made about jewish people voting for democrats, it's total lack of knowledge about loyalty. there was a conversation about dual loyalty, in the context of four democratic congresswomen. what do you make of that? >> when i heard him say that, i didn't think he was talking to american jews. i thought he was talking to american evangelicals. i think that they care about israel. israel is a huge issue for them. his support from american jews think they're going to see the capture and they have a bizarre take on things.

do we think that president trump believes in god? i don't think so, unless he looks in the mirror. >> why is there no consequence to his statements? why is it that his key evangelical base doesn't say to him, we're pulling the support if you continue to channel and use the phrases that are inherently offensive, to those that truly believe in the strip chur and religion. conservative justices. >> over 140 federal judges and the issues they're concerned about. the trabs actionals set the bar. we've had presidents that are more spiritual. that do believe there's a certain path that put in a certain place at a certain time, to be able to serve the country. that's how they spot it.

if you haven't seen anything like that from the president, that's why the comments are taken the way they are taken. there was a great piece in "the washington post," talking about how it's likely that the president who has a jewish son-in-law and his daughter converted, and jewish grandchildren, he seems to express admiration for the jewish people, he is talking to evangelicals. but he does so, using anti-semitic tropes that he uses are positive. they control businesses, like positive things. >> wild, to say the least. you're headed to newark, as well, to do some work. tune in later today. 5:00 p.m. eastern time.

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at the g7 summit in france, president trump is trying to sell other world leaders on the success of the u.s. our great economy is the talk of everyone, he tweeted overnight. investors are looking for more than platitudinal tweets. in 24 hours the markets will open in new york. on friday, the dow jones industrial average dropped 600 points. chris dickey, they see this, the administration sees this forum as a place they can espouse the success of the u.s. economy. what are they thinking as they go to the market open tomorrow? what are they worried about? >> they're very worried. they want to see if the trade war is going to escalate. is trump going to go back to attacking the fed. as the economy slows down, as it gets weaker in the united states, trump starts to blame everybody and anybody that he

can think of. this morning, he was blaming the press for the economy slowdown. it couldn't be that his policies are lousy policies. it wouldn't be that he's run up enormous debt. i could run up millions of dollars in debt and you would think i was rich. >> not going to be a recession. there is going to be a recession. >> breaking news. what goes up must come down is a general axiom. i'm no economist. i'll put that out right now. over the last couple years and what i can tell, the economy has been rallying on two things. the rise in the stock market and consumer spending. the latter was supposed to be i even more. what we saw, was rather than

going to wages, so people could buy and spend more, they are going back to stock. they invested in themselves, not even in the companies. the trade war with china, making consumer goods more expensive. don't forget, before the recent round of tariffs raises, they were on pause. and that does not affect spending on christmas. now, apparently, the tariffs are back. what is going to happen when the numbers come in for consumer spending, around the holiday period. and that's going to slow down things even more. >> you feel the pause, if it's going to be a pause here. to the point, the administration has sought to connect its election hopes here to the economy. >> that's a poison pill, don't you think? >> if he is elected in november,

there's a republican senate and republican house, there will be a middle class tax cut. he is grabbing at straws here. >> drop from the sky. he made that comment that the press wants him to fail or the press wants -- >> the recession. >> and let's be blunt. i'm sick of -- those of you out there know what you are. have i been the beneficiary? i look for that for justification, about abortion and conservative justices, et cetera. they look for his racism, his crappy policies and the administration, and they justify it for that. if the economy is not going to be strong, then he does have a serious achilles' heel. he can't hide behind that

anymore. >> this piece in "the washington post" this morning, it's honed in on something that a lot of us have suspected. you have a piece that he notes that donald trump's company, the trump organization, stands to benefit greatly if interest rates go down. that's what the trump administration has been pushing. >> do we think that trump would make money off of his office? >> we'll say anything -- >> of course, he's going to make more money like this. everything he does is money. the money is power. that's everything to trump. money is god, if you will. >> when you subsist on loans like the trump organization has,

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the real question is, how to protect this amazon river basin, 2.1 billion square miles. what's happening here at the so-called lungs of the earth. since the 1970s there's been deforestation. people taking the trees out, clearing the area for agriculture. now, the fires we see here, months after the trees are knocked down. they come through with bull posers. they come through and bring these trees down. they send them on fire. and it's churned into pasture land or growing soybeans. the real concern is that things have changed. this has been going on since the 1970s. people started paying close attention in the 1980s. now, scientists have said, we have reached a tipping point. and just 3% more of the amazon

rain forest is destroyed. they believe it will be no turning back. and one of the things that may surprise you is, the soil here, you may think that the soil is superrich for agriculture. but it turns out, that once this is all cleared out, because this is a rain forest, the rains stop falling because these leaves, they perspire right now. it's the water that comes out of here that makes this a rain forest. once the rain is gone, the soil here, which is not as rich as you would think it would be, is really dry and it's turned into a savanna. you understand why there's such widespread destruction just for the cattle. the question is whether the pressure being put on will be enough. many people are critical here of the saying, believe that's part of the show in response to the

worldwide anger. >> kerry sanders with us from the amazon. we are talking about this in n context of the g7 in place. we've seen the response from macron and angela merkel from germany, as well. the point he made there, this may be too late, this was a small gesture to send to the military, what's your response to that? >> i agree. the brazilian military going in to fight the fire is nice. but the fires are being started by humans. the brazilian government is completely denying that fact. they want people to develop the amazon for economic use. they see it as a good thing for the amazon be further developed. and they're trying to blame what's happening, not on people, but on drought. there is no drought this year. the years there were drought,

the years it was extreme in 2015, we've seen a growth in fires since 2016. and sense last august, when the doubt was ending, a 70% increase in fires. they're out there trying to spin this, no. it's weather, it happens. the fires are a natural event. >> highlighting the divide between europe, up in arms about this, and the u.s. doing nothing. there was a tweet from the president saying, there's no action on the heels of that. how stark is that divide? >> it's pretty stark. everybody understand that trump, who has a short-term horizon, doesn't really see the threat that exists to the environment. everybody i know who is younger is looking at the future and saying, we are screwed. the earth is heating up. we see it. we see it in paris where i live.

we've seen heat waves that are unbelievable. and it's not just global warming. the erratic climate and weather we have now. and trump is like, not a problem. something i've been thinking about a lot, the problem with trump is not just in america, but he's contributing to the death of shame. we have shameless leaders. >> that's the report from paris. >> yes. sea level rise is palpable. and you have to build even higher up if you're doing construction. these are the stats coming out about the amazon hayes is talking about. i wrote them down. 80% more fires this year than

last year. and a 30% increase in miles of rain forest loss is january when he came into power. now that we have a zero tolerance crackdown on environmental crimes, that means you shoot yourself in the foot because that economy you're trying to bolster in brazil is going to be punished because we know it's not environmental ngos. let's blame all of the people trying to improve the climate. people focusing on climate change and problems, they're pulling out of the presidential race, is interesting and sad to note. >> see what the nlegacy is. katie phang, thank you very much. tropical storm dorian is gaini gaini gaining power and gabarreling toward barbados.

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this is "up." i'm david gura. and president trump's jam-packed day continues in the south of france. he's been sending mixed messages on his trade war with china, which has escalated significantly. >> do you think you are escalating the trade war with china? >> sure. why not? >> do you have second thoughts? >> i have second thoughts about everything. >> the white house saying that the president's remarks are being greatly misinterpreted of not raising the tariffs higher. president trump also slamming the u.s. media as disgusting. claiming reporters want a recession to make it harder for him to be re-elected. what is being accomplished? early sunday morning, trump remarked on his meetings to the summit saying, progress is being made. "the post" continues, it's not

clear what issue he felt the white house was making progress on. his biggest bilateral meeting was with the prime minister of the u.k., boris johnson. >> some point, they would have the obstacle -- they won't have the anger around their ankle. that's what they have. >> the president trump may be on friendly terms with bo-jo, but has slammed world leaders. bill neely with me in new york. maria hinojosa the president of futura media group. and a. scott bolden the former chair of the national bar association. bill, let me start with you. you're usually stationed in london. you're in france.

we talked on the show yesterday and today, about donald trump on that stage. help us understand the importance of this debut for the new prime minister of the united kingdom. this is boris johnson's first step on the world stage. ? general, president trump is putting such a positive spin on things, you have to question if he's willingfully changing the realities. there's a positive atmosphere among the leaders and that may be true. you asked about boris johnson. this morning at their breakfast, president trump suggested that none of the leaders really had any problem with his trade war with china. and he said, they respect the trade war. no one has questioned it.

almost immediately, boris johnson, probably felt he had to, contradicted that. he said, we favor trade peace. and as far as the u.k. is concerned, we don't like tariffs. and i think this has been a theme for president trump already in this summit. for example, in his meeting with the japanese prime minister, shinzo abe, he suggested that the north korean missile test, another nuclear test, didn't break any rules. he was immediately contradicted by shinzo abe. he also suggested on russia, that the leaders were broadly supportive of having russia back in the g7. and that is not anyone's position here at this summit. the european union, for example, has made it absolutely clear, it is too early to let russia back in. it's glass half-full/glass

half-empty. it was with boris johnson, lots of -- they were smiling at each other. they are close politically, you might say. underneath that, there is iran, the climate change and the trade war things. which summit is donald trump at. one is on mind or the one here. >> i will throw that to the panel here. let me rework the question here. what bill is describing, there's plenty of opportunities here, with all of the leaders were gathered together. increasingly, the focus is on the bilateral conversations. it's clear that that's -- the prism through which is president sees this.

what does that say about this event? this institution that's been around for four decades? >> a lot of people have a hard time taking this serious. >> i go back to steve bannan. what is he talking about here? maybe it's trump that said that.

i am going to quote my brother, the professor. this is what he said, a tweet at 4:00 in the morning. the end of angelo-american exceptionalism, as a global hegemonic process. collapse on both sides of the clantic to english-speaking and anti-democratic authoritarianism. and he goes to our favorite guy, samuel huntington from harvard. look it up. he has a history here. he would be shocked at his anglo-saxon maintainers of democracy. the hispanic threat that he's causing this. latinos are suing the government to maintain democracy. >> where does the g7 go? where does it go? who fills the political leadership vacuum for years?

america has led because of our values. we were with western nations. they share our values. those values are gone, though. i think the g6 struggled to figure out who is going to fill that political vacuum? who is available? who is competent and capable enough to fill that vacuum. >> there's a weakness to the six. >> they're just reacting. >> that's why you see -- that's why you see authoritarians all over the world feeling emboldened. they know there is no quote/unquote western alliance that is interested or capable of standing up to them. that's why you don't see a concerted effort on the apocalyptic fires in the amazon. you see ratcheting up tensions in pakistan and kashmir. all of these things all over the

world are spiraling out of control because the force that sort of held things together, however imperfectly, is just gone. bill neely, i want your thoughts on these meets that take place. this impromptu lunch that macron got from trump. what we got from the president was a weather report and a restaurant review. he talked about eating dinner at the restaurant in the eiffel tower. what are you observing about the way the other leaders are interacting with him in these meets? >> president trump said that hour and a half lunch was the best meeting he ever had with macron. he said it was a special relationship. and they do seem to, throughout his presidency, get on well together. and at the very same time, while we were eating whatever they were eating, president trump's

aides were criticizing the french host and said he was focusing on niche issues like climbed change and economic growth. there's an issue there. and that resurfaced when president macron said he was going to open talks about iran and that he had the support of the g7. and president trump quickly shot back that president macron does not speak for the united states. president macron produced another statement saying he has no mandate from the g7. but that he would talk to iran because he speaks for france. i think that president trump spreads confusion and there is anxiety in this group of

friends, the allies about what he says and what he means. he hinted he was having second thoughts of the trade war with china. is that policy or off the cuff? later on, his press secretary said, he had second thoughts and some regrets. he regretted that the tariffs weren't higher. what is it? are we ratcheting up the trade war with china or dampening it down. this is the problem with his presidency, as far as the allies are concerned. you know, america used to stand for certainty and leadership. and now, it stands for -- well, confusion in its wake. no one quite sure where president trump really stands. is the united states still the leader of the free world? or has he given up that role? and let's say president macron is now taking up the banner. that's the problem with this summit and this president, as far as the allies are concerned.

>> last question here. this is not a president -- he speaks one language, the language of economics. we've seen him angle that time and time again. talk a bit about that. you see him in these settings, where he's asked to talk about climate and asked to talk about the nuclear threat on the korean peninsula. these are -- just doesn't have the facility for. and he doesn't have the facility for the things he thinks he has for. >> and there's reporting about how angry he was or disconfident he was, have to go in the situation and talk about things that he doesn't think are important that they built in sessions where he could boast about the american economy. that's what he wanted to do. we in the united states have now become used to this almost like accused spouse or abused child relationship. we all kind of monitor his moods. is he just throwing a tantrum?

have things changed or have they not? it became second nature. you see him say things and people take it seriously or don't know how seriously to take it. >> he's the president. >> we're going to keep tracking this. bill neely, thank you very much for joining us from france this hour. on "up," brand-new numbers from the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, what americans think about relation tensions in this country. and one of the contenders tried to make it to the debate stage in houston. john delaney is going to join us next. chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye.

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now, to president trump, the press called back in for these comments from the president of the united states. >> at various parts of our country, with our farmers, and prime minister abe, in behalf of japan, will be buying all of that corn. that's a big transaction. that's good news for our farmers. the deal is in principle. we will besigning it around the date of unga, which we look forward to.

and we're far down the line. we've agreed to every point in that we're papering it and will be signing it at a formal ceremony. i want to thank prime minister abe and the japanese people. fantastic friend. this is a tremendous deal for the united states, and a tremendous deal for our formers farmers and agricultural ranchers and including ecomme e ecommerce. it's big and we look forward to it very much. >> the president of the united states alluding to a deal he signed with the prime minister of japan. it would be signed at the u.n.

general assembly in september. we'll continue to monitor what's going on. want to explain what happened. we saw the beginning of this meeting. the press was ushered out of the room and the pressure invited back in for this announcement, a vague thing that the president has been alluding to here. want to bring the panel back in the conversation. we have john delaney, he's with us here in new york. not how i intended to start talking to you. let's pick it up from here. this is a week of crisis when it comes to the economy. the trade war with china has escalated on friday. the president is saying they are taking off of the burden of that trade war. broadly speaking, your reaction to where we are now in this trade war. what we have seen here. >> my reaction to what the president announces, just imagine how better off we would be if we were in a transitive

partnership. we wouldn't need the one-off agreements that the president is trying to broker, if we followed president obama's leadership and were part of a 12-nation bloc that controlled 40% of the asian economy. american farmers would be much better off than one-off deals he is cutting off now. it is an important statement about whether we want to engage economically and diplomatically. and we have to work with our alliances. and the president doesn't believe in that. his trade war is hurting american farmers. i spend a lot of time in iowa. every acre in iowa is worth less today than it was when president trump was inaugurated because of his trade policies. that's true for farmers all around the united states of america. >> what is the faith that a lot of the farmers have in what the

president is doing here. i called it a vague deal. he has no details on what he agreed on. and that's true with what he came up with on friday, as well. why do they have faith this will pan out for them in the end? >> they're losing faith. i sense in the last year and a half, they're losing faith. i think in the beginning, they thought he had a big plan and it was going to work out because he was the master negotiator. now, they are losing faith in him. you can feel it. the effects of this trade war are devastating to rural america. i think we see it this year. a lot of lines of credit and loan agreements that farmers have are starting to come true. with prices of acreage down, it will be a problem. he's like a stock promoter. he sees the market go down. he runs around and says vague things, trying to get it back up again because his economic policies aren't working.

increased spending and tax cuts, starting to wear off. he didn't make good investments. he promised an infrastructure plan. the economy would be in a better position. and he started a trade war. he is panicking because of what's happening. >> yeah. have you met voters in iowa who come up to you and say, i was 100% but now i'm trying to sell my farm and i can't. that's a lot of detecti inconne dots. so -- connecting the dots and they're saying that to you. like, i used to be a trump supporter -- >> they don't have to connect the dots that carefully. they look at the price of agricultural products every day. and they are coming under pressure. this is what they say, which is -- i supported the president. i don't like what he's doing. and i consider an alternative. and if you put someone too far to the left, you will lose me.

if you put up someone who is spencible, you have a chance to get me. that's what you're hearing from independent voters. >> while all of this is transpi transpiring, joe walsh was making an announcement. let's hear what he has to say with george stephanopoulos. >> it's great to be with you. i'm going to run for president. we have a guy in the white house that's unfit to be president. and it stuns me that nobody stepped up, nobody in the republican party stepped up. i'll tell you what, george, everybody believes in the republican party. it's funny how the deputies have changed. we look at joe walsh and think of them as a moderate in comparison to the president like we have now. how does his role in that race, complicate things for you. how do you see that changing the

calculus for voters if there is an alternative to president trump? >> i don't think that's much for the president. he's a reckless, lawless president. he doesn't stand up for the values that conservatives have embraced for decades in this country. i think it would be healthy for the republican party to have someone running for president reminding republicans that things like the separation of powers, were really important to republicans historically. and we have a president who trashes that. i mean, i think it would be helpful to the country to have someone running against the president and making the contrast about the fact that he's not a conservative. >> michelle, you've written about enthusiasm and excitement. before we get michelle in here, i want to ask you about the importance of the debate coming up in houston, whether or not you make the stage. how do-or-die is that for you? >> i think the race is just getting started. and the reason for that is, most voters aren't really paying

attention. >> to be fair, most people did drop out. >> things going on with the economy and foreign policy. these things aren't touched on in the democratic presidential debate. we're talking about two or three issues, health care and other important issues. and there, the debate has changed. and politics and bad policy and i was booed and told to leave the debate by some members of my party. now, we see that medicare for all is leaving the debate in many ways, as many of the candidates are backing away from it. that shows we are still very early in the process. >> if you want to boo, you can boo.

>> that's a -- there's different ways to instituting medicare for all, than the bernie sanders plan. >> they were all behind that. >> the notion of making private insurance illegal, which was the cornerstone of senator sanders' plan, and everyone got behind. i'm waiting for senator warren. i'm sure in the next month or so, she's going to come out with some plan, that starts distancing herself. they matters. we're not going to beat president trump that will be running on things that will be deeply unpopular for the american people. medicare for all would be. >> and the democrats don't take it to president trump, on his divisiveness. and the plans are important. you have to have a plan to win. you have to have message money

and mobilize voters. you've been running for the democratic nomination longer than anybody else. and you're at 0.5% depending on the polling. you have to have a plan for winning. and to stay in the race, for the sake of staying in the race, you have 20 people running, 10 on stage and less in october. how do you navigate that and have a compelling message that you can still win th, that it's early, and your plans are going to move you in the polls? >> the field has to shrink. we have 25 people. >> your opponents want that, too. justice. >> the people that are saying that are pundits in washington, d.c. and new york. >> people in iowa are dsaying te field is too big.

>> how do you do that? >> the field is large. and i believe it has to shrink. i'm planning on staying in. it's clear to me, but to beat donald trump, we need a candidate that can build up a democratic party. we have to have a candidate that can attract progressives, moderates, independent and disaffected republicans. that candidate has to run on decency, unity, and common sense solutions that a broad number of the american people can get behind. a message behind infrastructure, lowering health care prices. things that matter to the american people. >> can you win with joe biden in the race? >> joe biden is squatting on all of the voters that i'm describing. then, it will be a question --

>> you think you're going to get more votes than joe biden when the field is reduced and it's you, joe biden and whoever is on the far left. >> in the issues of race, when there's a conversation about, pardon me, white men, excuse me, taking up a lot of space, and -- i'm sorry but this is -- >> let me have you respond to that. i'll let you respond to that lastly. >> we have a diverse field and that's terrific. i think the voters are going to pick the person that i think would be the best leader and the person to beat donald trump and has new ideas and how to build a better future for all americans. i think voters will decide who they think the best leader is. >> john delaney joining us on-set in new york. when we come back, forget iowa and new hampshire. another state is coming front and center in the 2020 campaign.

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this is "up." i'm david gura. in recent weeks we're seeing candidates for the democratic

nomination move beyond iowa, new hampshire and other states, and including my state of north carolina. joe biden is traveling there this week. so is beto o'rourke and camera harris there this weekend. vaughn hilliard is joining us now from durham. i have to pull back the curtain. vaughn was going to durham. i said you have to go to my favorite brewery. they make beer out of sweet potatoes. and vaughn hilliard joining us from full steam brewery. >> people came through at 9:00 a.m. in the morning, david. >> i'm not going to ask if anybody is having beers right now. kamla harris in downtown durham. how did this event shape the messaging of her campaign?

>> this is about the general election. and what camera harris did last night was set up, through the folks in attendance, this is an administration that is using race. using these rallies to stir up support in the base. the conversation needs to take place in the current democratic primary, as well. i want to let you hear a little of what she said last night. >> there's a phrase that is raised when we start talking about civil rights. when we start talking about issues like race. gender, sexual orientation. and it's what i call the 21st version -- 21st century version of the term we used to hear for so long. that term is the race card. the new term is identity

politics. >> what kamla harris says is when the president talks about these issues and what they call identity politics, it's important for the democrats to talk about the disproportionate rate of black student loan debt. homeownership by race. the mortality rate of mothers during childbirth. those are issues that have to be discussed and brought forward and have to be addressed. she said, when we are talking about the economy, most americans say they are well off financially right now. she said, that conversation doesn't always extend to the communities of color. you know when you're looking at the wealth gap in the united states. $1 compared to every other family. those are conversations here in 2019 that need to be ordered. they head toward the general

election. the state that president trump won in 2016 by 3.6 percentage points. >> i'm going to ask scott to respond to that, the moore houseman at the table. you're trying to take her campaign in this direction. >> it's in that direction already. race matters to people of color. and race matters to the republican party in the negative, if you will. anybody claiming race politics, identity politics, on donald trump and the gop right now, it's the republican party. they used to call for it on race. they use nativism. the 40% that goes to his rallies, it's all race-based. it's hard to deny that, including racial bynes at the same rallies. we live in that space. and this is black people and brown people aren't with the gop and this president for a reason. there's nothing for them to

gain. they are pro civil rights. kamla harris is right and started to discuss this race question. america continues to be uncomfortable with it. african-americans in my opinion want to move on and matriculate. why america wants to move because of oprah winfrey and a barack obama and there's never been race conciliation. and the negatives of slavery, of jim crow, continue to live as an outgrowth going through the day. and african-americans, social economic policies. it's a steal for white americans. maybe, we can get to the race question and have dialogue about where we are as a country, versus america's promise, versus what she is on the race question. >> we're going to come back and

talk about this. vaughn hillyard has to take i-40 down to greensboro where kamla harris is next. still ahead, racial tensions in the country. breaking down the numbers from the nbc/"washington post" poll released this hour. that's next. his hour that's next. (woman) banjo! sorry, it won't happen again. come on, let's go home. after 10 years, we've covered a lot of miles. good thing i got a subaru. (avo) love is out there. find it in a subaru crosstrek. (avo) get 0% during the subaru a lot to love event. and i don't add trup the years.s. but what i do count on... is boost® delicious boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. boost® high protein. be up for life.

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far-right ideologies there's been a rise of white nationalism and extremism. down the road from where vaughn hillyard was standing, in hillsborou hillsborough, north carolina, members of the kkk held a rally yesterday. they were dressed in robes and carrying this banner, i'll make out what it says there, help make america great again. six in ten americans say there's a lot or some tension when people of different races in their state. same share, 60%, say race relations in the united states are bad, with more than half of those surveyed, say things have gotten worse since donald trump became president. joinings now, the executive director of the group life after hate. we're going to dig into the poll numbers here. i would ask you, to get your perspective on all of this. you look at the numbers and people that are noticing the tensions and seeing the tensions and want to go about healing

those tensions. give us if top line, the top prescription making that happen, given the perspective you have. >> well, as human beings, we get to choose. it's important that we make a choice of love or fear. when we respond to fear with fear, we don't make the problem better. we have to respond differently and come at it from the place of love. >> there's a lot of talk about interventi intervention, when you look at what happened in el paso, for instance. how these things can be stopped or staved off. you thought about your life and how you went down the path you went down. what's the best way to stave this off? how can you do that earlier? >> i think we've got to look at, you know, these young men and the people that are drawn to white nationalism. there's often underlying issues in their lives, which create the vulnerabilities that make the ideologies so seductive. it's trying to help young men

struggling with their masculi masculinity and where they are in the world and all that kind of thing, before they get seduced by the ideology and turn to violence. >> michelle, with the two things what we have seen and what we saw in the poll numbers, the uptick that we have seen in violence, domestic extremism, and how do we make something fruit from that? >> first of all, i don't know that -- i think that first of all, you have to worry about not making something positive out of this. but kind of curving this emergency. and so, i think part of that comes from people feel hamstrung. they know to open up investigations on white

nationalism is to target part of the president of the united states' base. the president of the united states, a lot of the white nationalists are admirers of him. imagine if he spoke about white nationalism or even mass shootings with the level of contempt that he speaks about denmark or cnn. right? imagine what that would do to their sense of tacit permission, right? he's someone that they admire. he's someone they could speak to and they won't do it. >> i keep coming back to it. you look at the banner on that sign in hillsborough, north carolina, you have what the message of the campaign is. >> you look at the nativists and the nazi party and the ku klux kl klan, if you look at their notebook on rhetoric, and people of color, and you look at the twitter account and you look at the verbiage used by this president, they almost match up verbatim, especially in el paso.

a manifesto left by him quoted donald trump. the racist sees a racist. how do you -- if you don't use the "n" word, you're on safe ground. even though you can have racially disparent impact and people believe you're trafficking in racism, that's why we can resolve this issue. those numbers aren't surprising. people of color have known those numbers for quite some time. >> maria, i want you to react to the numbers and what you heard from tony a moment ago. >> so sh, i'm a mexican-america journalist in america. we understand this. these numbers are not new. they're uncomfortable. i mean, i think there's something -- our guest spoke

about men. there's a lot of women, white women, who are falling into this. and i'm going to tell a brief story about somebody who actually met, a white, young girl from pennsylvania. and her brother was puerto rico and adopted. she felt that she wanted to be recognized. the white supremacist boys are saying, you're cute. that's how it started. she wanted to be seen. she ends up buying into all of this. ends up getting pregnant and it gets to the point of love. it was when she was thinking about the baby she was carrying and how she wanted this child to love, but she was already going to speak to it about hate. and she said, i'm going to separate. and she said, if i can become a white supremacist and i have a puerto rican brother, it can happen to anyone. i believe it can be unlearned. and actually, each one of us has part of that. >> quickly. >> very quickly. this is to your guest also.

what does masculinity or seeking identity as a young white man in america have to do with racial hatred. they hate me because i'm dark-skinned or brown. hate me because i have a history of slavery because i'm doing something to the demise of america that my ancestors built. we're not born with a racist gene. we're trained that if they're white families doing it, i don't know how you explain away hatred and violence against people of color because you have race-neutral issues that all of us do. >> tony, thank you for joining us tonight. msnbc presents a new episode of "breaking hate." christian takes on his biggest challenge yet, helping a former leader of the largest neo-nazi organization in the u.s. turn away from a life of hate. watch "breaking hate" on msnbc. new comments this hour from the treasury secretary. does he see us heading into a

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gureue. we're getting word here from the associated press an airbus has arrived and onboard that plane mohamed zarif. he's now in the sate where the g-7 summit is taking place. that's being reported by the associates press. the foreign minister telling the ap there's no plans to meet with the delegation why he is there. we're talking about president trump's ability to up end one of these summits and now you have an adversary here, a self-proclaimed adversary coming in and doing the same thing. this is high drama here in the south of france. >> and i absolutely think it's a smart move for him. right, it's a smart move both because if he does get to donald trump, donald trump is so easily influenced by the last person he spoke to -- and you could sort of imagine although i can't

imagine the people around him, bolton and pompeo letting him do with north korea, which is basically trade all security demands for a summit and a photo-op. he could be talked into some version of the obama-iran deal and pretend it's better and pretend the problem has been solve. i mean that's probably what he wants because there's no appetite i think thank goodness for war with iran outside of a few -- >> do you think they'll meet? >> i don't know. >> talk about this because you have a foreign minister who was recently sanctioned heavily by the u.s. government. if you foreclose that, what do you have, what opportunity do you have have dialogues. it's tricky like a fox. >> it's tricky like a fox.

i think part of what we as new yorkers know this president has and his former lawyer said he's a con man, so you be to think about how do you do the better con. i don't play chess, sorry reveal, but it's like the checkmate move which is like what are you going to do now? i like hearing michelle saying there's no appetite for war between the united states and iran. this is good thing, so i'm like, all right. >> there's probably appetite amongst some republicans in congress and some people, but i think among the public at large including i think the republican base, i just don't think anybody wants -- >> it'd be very hard to take a war to iran on their soil, practically and militarily. >> right, but that doesn't necessarily stop the national security advisor for looking for one. >> lastly to you, on this point, france has wanted to come out of this summit with a unified statement on iran. we heard from the president of the united states earlier today saying he wasn't going to be

part of that. this gets back to what we were talking ubat the top, you see an isolation here of the u.s. >> the president said before the summit he wasn't going to do a unified communique. >> general communique but wanted to make a statement on iran. >> i think this is in his home turf, i think he set the agenda, and i think trump has struggled with all of this and has wanted to be a disrupter. i'd love to be on the inside of the meetings, not the media statements everyone's making. >> once again report from the ap that the iranian foreign am inster has arrived at the site of the g-7 summit. my colleagues are going to take over the coverage from here. thank you all for joining me here in new york. in our next hour, trump officials rushing to put out another fire as the president admits to second thoughts on the trade war. joy reid with more details on

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that does it for me today. thank you very much for watching. "am joy" with joy reid starts right now. do you have second thoughts on escalating the thad war with china? >> sure, why not? i have second thoughts about everything. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." well, this weekend donald trump took his act to europe for the g-7 summit.

where today he reversed his take on the escalating trade war that he started with china. turns out, yeah, sure, shrug emoji, he does have second thoughts about slapping more trade tariffs on china who responded to his first tariffs by announcing this week they plan to hit the u.s. with new tariffs on $75 billion worth of goods. trump's remark led to trump's staff having to rush out and put out yet another fire. this time white house press secretary stephanie grishp was tasked with that particular assignment. well, here's a photo of her since you probably don't know what she looks like since the white house doesn't do press briefings anymore. trump's answer has been greatly misinterpret and that he really meant was he regrets not raising the tariffs any higher. this of course is a coda of a bizarre week in trump land. so extreme he compared himself to god.