♪ tonight -- the element of surprise. things are not going according to the plan at the g7. the latest on the 11th hour invite for a top iranian official. plus, more democrats abandon their long-shot bids for president as more republicans jump in. form former conservative firebrand joe walsh said he will try to counter trump from the right. and will governor mark sanford be next? he joins me live. and as democrats ponder electability, elizabeth warren draws her biggest crowd yet.

the campaign estimating 15,000 people on hand for a rally tonight. but first here on "kasie dc," the president's trip to the g7 in france has been full of surprises. u.s. officials tell nbc news the white house was blindsided today by the arrival of iranian foreign minister zarif. in ap reports, frenchnt emmanuel macron made the decision to invite zarif after a dinner full of tense exchanges over how to deal with iran's nuclear ambitions. yerl ier zarif tweeted pictures of the meeting with macron and said he will be briefing officials from the uk and germany. an iranian spokesman stressed there would not be talks with u.s. officials during the visit. the president and his team were uncharacteristically concise when asked about this surprise visit earlier. >> there are reports the iranian foreign minister is coming. can you confirm if you plan to

meet with him? >> no comment. >> the president has said before to the except iran wants to sit down and negotiate, he would not set preconditions to those negotiations. i'm not going to make any more comments about who's here and who's not here and what conversations may or may not be going on. >> of course, the president was more talkative on other subjects and seems to stir confusion, surprise, surprise, at every turn. perhaps the most notably, he appeared to express second thoughts about escalating the trade war with china before the white house reversed course and said he wished he raised tariffs higher. "the washington post" has pictures of the other twists and turns. the president quipped to reporters they had not violated rules by launching officials only to be corrected by japanese leader shinzo abe. the president suggested multiple foreign leaders said they agree russia should be readmitted to the g7. although europeans had been adamant russia should remain

ostracized and they argued with trump about it at dinner. and trump said his lunch with emmanuel macron was, quote, the best hour and a half i have ever spent with him. but while they were meeting trump administration officials were criticizing macron and france to u.s. reporters saying that there was too much focus on, quote, nis issues suearby is climate change and national development. joining me kimberly atkins and ed editor in large for cnbc and host of "first look" here on msnbc. thank you all for being here mt what do you make of all of the back and forth with the iranians and the fact this invitation was issued? is it slap in the face to the u.s.? the administration clearly seemed back on its heels about it? >> it's two different ways to

look at it, began u lar level or 30,000 foot way. if you look this is not really ou allies behave with one another so i can see the administration's disappointment with the fact the french president would go out and invite the iranian foreign minister to such a high-profile event. the invitations that go out at this level are very selective, they have a purpose, what is the objective of the summit but given the fact everything that happened with president trump, the french, the european allies, there's no doubt there is subtle messaging behind this. the european union countries that are part of the g7 are fuss traited with the fact the united states has pretty much road blocked any effort to try to have meaningful conversations to jump-start the jcopa once again. the iranians have been clear about this, they're not going back to the negotiating table but what they're trying to do is save the original jcpoa and that's where the diplomacy is

supposed to work. but given the fact president trump has been totally on every step of the way surprising some of the european allies, ripping up the jcpoa without their consideration, it doesn't surprise me to see this far into it how ma troen responds. >> if seems like they're throwing trump's playbook back in his face. it's not like he acted predictable in the concept of relationships with allies. >> i agree except i don't think it's subtle at all. i think this is emanuel macron saying i'm the leader of the international community on this issue, not you. it's a measure of the diminishment of american leadership as president trump pulled back from international agreements across the born, paris climate deal, iran nuclear deal. coming to this summit, people were saying what is going to happen? what will president trump do? and president ma:sacron said i'

not going to wait for president trump. i will make things happen. >> i think you're right, he's our ally, and you have to remember these are our allies saying we will move on without you, united states. we don't need the united states to be in that lead role. you heard europeans need to rely on themselves. remember the picture of last year everybody standing on one side of the desk and trump sitting cross-armed in a very controversial way. this is in advancement with that. one thing to keep in mind is the next g7 will be here in the united states and daytona will host. my question is who will be the special gift, might vladimir putin turn up? jong-un? it's stunning but this is something who's the king of stuntman. >> and, kasie, people noted the president doesn't seem eager to go to these nainternational for

>> no, the opposite. >> why is that? >> when he's here in the united states he's surrounded by aide who are sycophants and republican politicians who are scared of him. these world leaders are sovereign leaders and they're not scared of him and their publics disdain donald trump. that is not the formula for a president to walk around and cast himself as the big man on campus. >> has cthat changed, ayman? because of what john said they're not afraid of donald trump. it seems as though in the beginning there were serious efforts. macron went to great lengths to build a relationship with trump that now he doesn't seem to be as focused on. >> i think any incoming president usually is given a great deal of latitude on the world stage as high-level meetings take place to feel each other out, find out what is going to be on the president's agenda to cooperate on.

you hear that from angela merkel, justin trudeau, the canadian prime minister. as these relationships dissolve, they realize president trump was not affording them the respect, space, topics they wanted to cooperate on. so i think 2 1/2 years into his presidency, you're seeing as john was saying, these world leaders who have to address and account to their constituents. climate change is important to us. climate change is important to us. you can be a climate denier in the u.s. but this is the top of our agenda and that's why you are hearing the american official say this is niche, we don't want to talk about an american development -- >> climate change is not niche! it's the planet! >> when you have global liemt change being an issue all of the world he leaders want to talk about. >> for sure. as we mentioned, the president sparked confusion about the state of his trade war with china after this exchange with reporters earlier. >> do you have any second thoughts on escalating the trade

war with china? >> sure, might as well. might as well. >> are you having second thoughts about escalating the war? >> i have second thoughts about everything. >> so following those comments, the white house has kwish to push back on any suggestion the president's resolve for a trade war is fading. press secretary grisham said in a statement, quote, his answer has been greatly misinterpreted. president trump responded in the affirmative because he regrets not raising tariffs higher. this is how his economic officials explained it. >> he has no second thoughts, no second thoughts. his only second thought is maybe he should raise tariffs more. i was in that meeting. there were a lot of people yelling. i found it somewhat hard to hear. >> he didn't exactly hear the question. actually, what he was intending to say is he always has second thoughts and he actually had second thoughts about possibly a higher tariff response to china. >> okay. it all comes as the president now says he has no plans to use

an emergency powers act to force u.s. companies to stop doing business in china. that was a threat that he had issued by way of tweet on friday. john harwood, you have spent quite baa bit of time with thes economic issues. the stock market is not open today possibly for the best. what do you make of this? everything that has unfolded over the last three days, the president has been, you know, i can't even keep track of the number of times he reverse himself on this. >> i am not 100% it was a reversal because as i watched him make that statement, i'm not sure there was any content to the statement. i think he was just giving an answer, just saying some things in response to a shallow question. >> he does have second thoughts about things all the time. >> there didn't seem to be any content to what he was saying but i think it's telling that they decided not to just let it ride and let people think that

he was having second thoughts combust to come o but to come out aggressively and say he was thinking about higher tariffs. that's why the dow futures market opened down tonight because they're concerned the trade war is escalating. that's a reflection of what we were talking about a moment ago. he likes to be the big, bad guy in the room. when he saw this was being portrayed as him softening, weakening, backing up, he needed to double down and say no, no, i don't regret what i did. i'm going to hit them harder next time. and that is something that is counterproductive forethe talks right now, counterproductive for the u.s. economy, counterproductive for his hopes for re-election. the more turbulence you have in the markets, the less economic confidence there is and more likelihood we have of not just a slowdown, which we're already in, but an actual recession. >> and to your point, i was going to say it's mind boggling

that the most important global economic issue, which is the trade war affecting all of the global economies, does not have clear messaging every step of the way coming out of the white house. you would think every single statement is crystal clear, is part of a strategy, is part of a policy, is almost anticipated if this happens, this happens. cause and effect relationship. no the he didn't hear the question. and then another group of people coming out and adviser saysing no, he regrets not going further on the tariffs. how does such a complex issue you put yourself into not have a clear policy and strategy every day you're involved with it? >> no, but why should we be surprised two years into the status quo? on a serious note, senator mccain passed away one year ago today. it's hard not to think about what woe have to say about the increasingly frayed relationships between america

and his closest allies. here's the late senator during a foreign policy speech back in 2008. >> our great power is not mean we can do whatever we want whenever we want, nor should we assume we have all of the wisdom and knowledge necessary to succeed. we need to listen. you need to listen to the views and respect of the collective will of our democratic allies. when we believe international action is necessary, whether military, economic or diplomatic, we will try to persuade our friends that we are right. but we in return must be willing to be persuaded by them. >> kimberly atkins, i think his voice is deeply, deeply missed, especially as all of this is unfolding. >> absolutely. that wasn't long ago but it seems like a completely different era the way the united states approaches foreign policy, the way the united states sees itself in the world. it's very different. you say a lot of people making

statements today marking the one-year anniversary of the senator's passing, which is something you don't normally see, people marking anniversaries of someone's death but it shows how greatly missed that voice is in washington and what a different washington we have today than we did then. >> we certainly miss him very deeply on capitol hill. he was a voice, singular voice. a lot more to come tonight, a remarkable story just out involving the president, hurricanes and nuclear weapons. we're going try to explain that. plus, in our 8:00 hour, i'm joined by long-shot presidential candidate marianne williamson, who outlasted a number of mainstream democrats running for president. i will talk to her live from the campaign trail. much more "kasie dc" coming up. as soon as the homeowners arrive, we'll inform them that liberty mutual customizes home insurance, so they'll only pay for what they need. your turn to keep watch, limu. wake me up if you see anything. [ snoring ]

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welcome back. we want to turn to what seems like some pretty stunning -- at least head-scratching new reporting from jonathan swan over at axios. he and market taleb report, quote, president trump suggested multiple times to senior homeland security officials and national security officials that they explore u.s.ing nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes from hitting the united states. according to sources who heard the president's private marks and briefed on a security council memorandum that recorded those comments. during one hurricane briefing at the white house, trump said i got it, i got it, why don't we nuke them? according to one source who was there, quote, they start forming

off the kocoast of africa and m across the atlantic, we drop a bomb in the source of the eye of the hurricane and bust it up y can't we do that. the source added, trump's bomb the hurricane's idea, which he floated early in the second year of his presidency, went nowhere and never entered a formal policy process. nbc news has now confirmed this reporting. joining me now by phone is jonathan swan. johnathan, this reminds me a little bit of the greenland story that we initially thought was a joke and turned out not to be. what more can you tell us about this idea and why the president thinks this would be a good idea? >> so this was actually floated multiple times. he floated it multiple times during the first year and a bit of his presidency before john bolton took over as national security adviser. so this has come up in at least

one meeting in the white house situation room, where a source described what happened and then there was an nsc memo wrip in 2017 that described another meeting with trump asked if they can bomb hurricanes to stop them from hitting the homeland. a source said it does not contain the word nuclear but the president talked about bombing hurricanes. so the white house's response was we don't comment on private discussions the president may or may not have had with his national security team. a former official that has been briefed on the hurricane bombing suggestion defended the idea. >> really? >> they said, quote, what people need the president to do is say i love a president who asks questions like that, willing to ask tough questions. it takes strong people to respond to him in the right way when stuff like this comes up. for me alarm bells weren't going off when i heard about it but i

do think someone is going to use this to feed into the president is crazy narrative. >> really. i can't imagine why. what's your understanding of whether or not the president would have the power to do this? i mean could he try to set off a nuclear bomb in hain without asking anyone? >> there's actually an interesting story in national geographic after the 2016 election. the title is nuking hurricanes, the surprising history of a really bad idea. so there's actually a history to this idea that government scientists dating back to the '60s thought that this could work. the consensus is it can't but the myth has been so persistent the national oceanic and atmospheric administration, this is the u.s. government agency that predicts changes in weather and ocean, they actually have an online fact sheet explaining why nuking hurricanes doesn't work. but as to whether he has the power to do it or not, according

to the national geographic hour, dropping a nuclear bomb into a hurricane would be banned under the terms of the peaceful nuclear explosions treaty between the u.s. and former soviet union. and i should say this never entered any type of policy process. the idea went nowhere. but the president noted it multiple times during the fist year and a bit of his presidency. >> jonathan swan, thank you so much, as always, for your reporting. guy, can we get back to this a second, john harwood, any thoughts, feelings. >> the first question that comes up is the ancient one, who could go wrong? >> what could possibly go wrong? >> but i will defend the president a little bit on this. to the except that this has been a topic of discussion, that scientists have examined this, that there have been articles in national geographic written about it -- >> fair. >> i can see the president have simply been aware of or made aware of those discussions and

putting the question and asking someone to explain to him whether it could work or not work. so you do want somebody to test assumptions and questions. if he were serious in trying to make this happen, given the fact that people have determined it's not a good idea, then i would have deeper questions than i do. >> the other really, it seems to me, is every time we think there's an idea way out there, buying greenland, it turns out in fact the president is perhaps serious about it. he canceled a meeting with the danes over this, this week and tweeted a photo, in jest, i guess, of trump tower in greenland. >> this is not the first reporting the president asked about using nuclear weapons, why can't we use nuclear weapons? i would have thought the first time it would have been explained very carefully and clear to him why that would be such a bad idea.

so the fact he's asking again is concerning. the fact he's unaware of the international rules constraining his use of nuclear weapons is concerning. these are the reasons why people keep talking about things like competence. it's not just the media is out to get him. he continuously does thing that's shows he doesn't have much curiosity or deep knowledge of the job he's held for years. >> and kwet is why are people leaking these things? john harbaugh and kimberly atkins, thank you both for being here. when we return the congressional bunt office projects by 2028 the federal debt is projected to exceed $29 trillion or 95% of gdp. the highest ratio since world war ii. we will talk to governor mark sanford who's considering bringing his reputation as a debt hawk to a primary challenge of president trump. as another challenger from the right emerges. back then, we checked our smartphones

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he's incompetent. he doesn't know what he's doing. i'm going to pound you trump every single day. he's a bully. he's a coward. somebody has to call him out. i do not believe nobody in our party is calling him out. >> i asked the campaign about this, we got word back from the communications director for the trump re-election campaign, george, a one-word answer, whatever. >> today former republican congressman joe walsh became the second republican to declare a primary challenge to president trump. former massachusetts governor bill weld announced months ago but has so far struggled to gain traction. joining me from charleston, south carolina, is former republican governor and congressman mark sanford, he, too, considering a run for president. congressman, great to have you on the program. it seems to be a day for making news on this topic. bill weld was on "meet the press." we obviously heard from joe walsh. have you made up your mind as to whether you plan to challenge president trump for the presidency?

>> i have not. i have some final ts to cross and is to dot and have been fairly methodical in the last six weeks or so. i said from the very beginningly get to it around labor day and make my decision. as much as i would like to jump the gun right now, i need to talk to my sons and do a few other things and make my decision by labor day. >> oh, come on, cut me disappointed that you're not ready to announce now. what are the is you have to dot and ts to cross? >> it continues to be a gargantuan, daunting project but i feel one important given the way in which we're not having a conversation what it means to be republican, given the degree to which we lost our ways with regard to focusing on deficits and spending, which used to be a course unto the republican party. i continue to talk to a few folks on that front and as we mentioned, a conversation with my sons and i will make a decision by this coming labor

day weekend. >> the polls show overwhelming support for president trump to the point that the trump campaign has said of people launching primary challenges, quote, everyone has a right to pursue certain failure. what in your mind would be the ultimate -- what would you consider to be a victory if you were to actually jump into this race? is there victory to be had that doesn't involve actually beating him in a primary? >> absolutely. i would say first off pride comes before a fall last time i checked. i would be careful about counting the chickens before they roost as they say. but i would also say this, if you look at a lot of those polls, for instance there's a recent one in new hampshire, roughly as you're suggesting 90%, 85% support for the president but half of those folks said we would like to see a primary challenge to the president. they believe we ought to have discussions. so i think there's probably a greater thirst out there for a

conversation and a possibility of changing that meets the eye. as to other outcomes, yes, i think if you simply could nudge back into the conversation, get deficits and spending, it would be wane. and a whole host of other issues raised by some erat cee radical behavior just this weekend along, telling all commercial companies to move out of china, a lot of weird stuff, and there are larger conversations that should be had as well. i think a conversation regarding sanity and other making it something that would be a win. for me the thing that attracted me to pursuing this and looking into it based on the comment of friends is we have to have a conversation on spending. we're about to go off the rails with regard to spending's implications for our country and debt and deficit that is abounded with it. >> the south carolina republican party has been critical of this possible bid. they say the last time mark sanford had an idea that kills

his governorship. this makes about as much sense as that trip up to the appalachian trail. pretty tough words, and your home state would be pretty tough ground for you. how do you respond? >> what i think was interesting, the executive chairman of the republican party issued that statement when, about six weeks ago, i said i'm going to kick around this idea, how do you begin to infuse into the conversation debt deficit and government spending? that's all i said. might be a run for president or advocacy group. we need to begin a conversation. has his immediate response? his as hard as you can, again, on my personal story and foibles on that front. so what i do think is interesting is the degree of reaction is telling to me, why would we be that panicked about simply saying we have to have a conversation. but that's where they are. politics is hard-hitting. particularly in south carolina. we will see what fms if i decide to come next week. >> that's an understatement for

sure. you mentioned the president's erratic behavior and character has been something that is really been an issue for many democrats running against him and voters who have expressed concerns about president trump. are you the right person to make a character argument against the president? >> no, that's why i said, i am focused very much on the spending. i do have a bit of history there. i inherited a billion-plus dollar hole when i first came in as governor of south carolina. we dealt with that. i was the first governor of the country to turn back stimulus money. we dealt with that. i was on the budget committee. i was the one would made national news about the president's budget at that time when they first released it this was a lie and no way these numbers would pan out. that's proving to be the case. i do think i have a fair degree of credibility. two-term governor and six terms in the house on budgetary issues and that would be my focus. >> and quickly before i let you go, sir, you obviously lost your

seat after being very critical of this president. what did you learn from the experience of going out and criticizing him and then essentially being abandoned by your party? it's not an uncommon experience for >> translatotrump critics, jeff justin amash ended up leaving washington. what did you learn from that and how is it informing your decision right now? >> well, i have been there a couple of times in politics. it teaches you don't fear death. it says, say what you got to say. i stood up until 3:00 that morning with my boys and the election results and life and what it meant and certain big conversations you would have about standing up for the ideas you believe in. the saying in politics is it's the pioneers that end up with arrows in their back. i give credit to bob corker and jeff flake and others who said no, something isn't right here.

we ought to talk about what it means to be a republican. and yet maybe at least begin discussion, maybe end up with an arrow in the back but that goes with the idea of events and ideas you believe in particularly early on. >> governor mark sanford, thank you so much for your time, sir. we will, of course, be watching for your decision. >> yes, ma'am. when we return, it's promising to be an interesting house match in 2020. just out today from the daily beast, congressman steve king has been, quote a. ban danned by his republican colleagues and their packs in the house. he had just $18,000 of cash in june and faces a primary challenge. dace wasserman will join me to talk about the rest of the shifting map. plus, a fight for the house seat started back in october 2018 and is set to be decided in days. i'm joined live with republican dan mccready. n mccready [farmers bell]

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it's being called tex aduss thanks to one of our next guests. a string of house public retirements in texas that have republicans eyeing opportunities to make gains in the strong hold come 2020. this as the nonpolitical book report writes two home seats are toss-ups, the ones belonging to pete olson and kenny marchant. joining me as house ticketer from political report, dave wasserman.

dave, let me start with you on texas and this map. we also mentioned steve king coming in here. he's sort of out of cash. what is your outlook right now on how the map looks for 2020? >> democrats have 31 seats in districts that trump carried in 2016. republicans only three. so by those numbers, you would think republicans would have a good shot at picking up the 19 ea seats this he need for control. but what do you want when you're ahead? insurance runs. democrats want wenins in texas protect them from losses. kenny marchandese district in dallas, pete poelsenolson's disn houston, if democrats can get those seats, that's a really good sign for nancy pelosi. >> what do you think is driving the retirements? is it fear of losing?

is it just are they over what's going on here in d.c.? >> if you look back in 200 r8, e last cycle where republicans just lost their majority in the house, had you almost four times as republican retirements as democratic ones. right now we're at 11 republican seats so we're on pace for about that. the more republican seats republicans are defending and it's not just texas, georgia's seventh district outside atlanta, rob woodall's seat, the harder it will be to get democrats out of office and get majority. >> how do you make sure what's going on with the presidential primary doesn't interfere with the party's effort to kind of make sure they're paying attention to the other races? i know we will not spend a lot of time talking about them in 2020. >> absolutely. i think a lot of now you're seeing in the democrat base a lot of excitement is happening. i'm from texas.

the texadus, thank you for inventing that -- >> i'm not that creative. >> they believe it will have huge implications not just for these house races but for state legislative races as well. they see the tide turning all over in the state. it's not just when beto o'rouke ran in that seat and was able to flip a lot of these seats, which helped. there was a lot of excitement there. but now they are organizing everywhere and in a place like texas, that is why i'm so confident about this. we're investing in state parties so we're not only winning for the presidential, but we're winning these house districts and ballot races as well. >> this is one thing republicans did pretty well in the last couple of decades under the obama administration was pay attention to even further down, state legislators, other places, and democrats had to come around and say, okay, we need to spend time rebuilding. >> i think what's interesting, like you said, why are they

doing this now? there is a pattern that always reaps itself as dave was saying in the cycle of elections. but is there something to do with where d.c. is, this presidency is, the policies? you look at will hurd, described as the future of the gop and what he in front of him in terms of growth within the party even on a national political level, for him to walk away i think it raises some alarm bells within washington to those that watch it to say there's something going on here that's not just the normal -- turnover you normally expect in an election cycle. >> sochi, quickly, you were in san francisco with a lot of those -- at least representatives of those running for president, if not the candidates themselves. how high-pitched was the talk about a potential texas connection? >> actually it wasn't there. as you know, every single cycle where there's a contested primary, there's always talk about contest of convention.

i will say you need to remember who these delegates are. a lot of delegates want the party to succeed. they will support whoever the democratic nominee is. while i didn't hear it, there's always talk around any sort of contested primary. if you look at the map, and you look at where the states are falling now, california is not a super tuesday state. you have a lot of states moving up in the process and i do not think this is going to be a primary that leads to a convention. >> the timing it is laid out is exactly why people are talking about this also. >> but you need to remember in 1984 the democratic party has this rule you need to meet a 15% threshold in these states to get delegates. it's really hard to get on the ballot in some of these states. if you're somebody who can't meet that 15% with delegates, there's no way there's a path to victory for you. i think people should be keeping their eye on that. but it's going to be very

difficult for their to be a contest there. >> you're saying for something reporters are just itching for happen. >> it's not going to happen. the fight for one house seat that began last has not been decided n north carolina's ninth congressional district, daniel mccready appeared to have lost the election last november to then gop candidate mark harris. but those results were, of course, thrown out after it was revealed there had been absentee voter fraud. harris eventually dropped out and republican dan bishop won the primary to take on the special election against mccready that will take place in september. president trump tweeted he will be heading to north carolina to campaign for bishop and democrat dan mccready joins me now live from charlotte. it's good to see you, sir. thank you for coming on the program. >> great to be on with you. >> so the president is showing interest in your race, trying to buck up your opponent. this has -- there's some evidence these events

occasionally have moved voters in the president's or republicans' favor. how concerned are you about this extra attention? >> well, i can tell you that people care about here in north carolina, they're looking for leadership that will work to lower health care costs, that people are struggling with. they're looking for leaders in washington to help strengthen our public schools here in north carolina. people are really hurting and they are frankly just tired of the partisanship. our company is so divided, it seems like people are going to the extremes. i know from campaigning in this strict for 27 months that north carolinians are really ready for leaders that actually bring us together. and that's what this campaign is all about. when i served over in the marine corps, had the honor of leading a platoon of 65 marines in iraq and we came from all over this country, we never cared about where you came from or who your parents were or color of your

skin or even your political party, we put our country first. that's what this company is all about and that's the choice that's going to be on the ballot here in 16 days. >> we often talk about how we're on this permanent campaign cycle but you really actually have been for all of this time. so my condolences to you on that. >> thank you. >> i also showed a headline when we were talking, "the washington post" wrote north carolina's ninth congressional district has gotten worse for republicans. what have you learned in all of those months of campaigning about why that is? are you seeing, we talked a lot on this show about suburban voters in particular. what is it you're seeing? where is that movement happening in your view? >> i can only share with you what i have learned from talking with so many voters on the ground. and the truth is people are really struggling and they're really tired of the politicians

in washington. they're tired of the politics from both sides. this district is a very diverse district. it includes southeast charlotte, which is a prosperous part of this country. it also includes many counties that have been really beat up by the trade deals out of washington. a couple of counties, for example, where 40% of the kids are living in poverty. and where people have really been left behind by washington politicians. and so people are looking for people that actually go up to d.c. and fight for them instead of the same old broken partisan politics that is really killing us. and one way i have tried to show people that i'm interested in really fighting for them and putting them first is by running an old-school grassroots campaign. i think i've done about 25 town halls over the last month. we've got offices open in every county in this district. i've got 24 field organizers right now on my books who are working to organize volunteers to knock on doors and place

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>> i would rather have a candidate on the democratic side who at least doesn't scare me. >> the other that democrats will make privately is that the democratic party could nominate an edible arrangement and it would beat donald trump. >> he's nuts, irrattic, cruel, he's incompetent. he's a narcissist. he's a child. he's a bully and he's a coward. >> are you ready for it? >> yes, i'm ready it. both china and proplump escalated. >> negotiation between the two great countries continue. >> he'll pull us into war. >> we just have to september the pain. >> president trump expressed his first sign of possible second thoughts. >> didn't quite hear the question this morning. >> he's determined as ever. if he had any second thoughts, he would have raised tariff. >> you can use tariffs but -- >> by anoning raising tariffs.

>> use them like a meat cleaver, or maybe the better word is a tweet cleaver. >> that was fun. welcome back to the second hour of "kasie dc." if you were with us earlier in the show, you know what a consequence quenchally g7 it has been. the president wished vince mcmahon a happy birthday. he wished sean conry, a.k.a. james bond a happy birthday, and regis philbin a happy birthday. our team of producers is monitoring it if there's been a birthday tweet for gene simmons or billy ray cyrus, who is turning 58. happy birthday to them. he announced a trade deal with japan, called for the passage of the usmca with canada and hichbted as a very big trade deal with boris johnson and the uk. within the last hour, he toted -- we are laughing how

unknowingly the inaccuracy of reporting of the g7 is. these leaders, and many others, are getting a major case study of fake news at its finee. they've got it all wrong, from iran to china tariffs, to boris. meanwhile, the amazon continues to burn. violence returned to the streets of hong counsel during the 12th week of protests. and north korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles this weekend, its seventh weapons test in a month. the president begins his day tomorrow with angela merkel, emanuel macron and other critical leaders, but with major issues looming, some observers sass the g7 increasingly files league six plus one.

catty case, is the author of "the confidence code for girls." and former senior divorce to barack obama, anywhera tanden, and it an msnbc foreign policy contributor ellen farkas. it's been quite a couple days, as we just ran through, catty kay, based on wh e e e ed katty do we stand in the post world war ii order. >> to some extent what you want is right, g-7 plus once. they are still trying to figure out how to preserve -- nobody wants to jettison a very key relationship.

we saw that last week with denmark falling over itself to maintain relationships even though it had just been dissed by the president. they still really don't know how to work with president trump. the europeans are, to some extent, on one page together when it comes to issues like iran, but of course with the issue of brexit and britain being torn between the uk and europe at the moment, there are mo fractions. there's a lot of people asking where are the grownups? st? where is the sense of cohesion that's kept the world biand large together and at peace for 70 years. are we moving on from that period? if so, what replaces it? >> we don't think the other world leaders want that cohesion. is it we're saying that the united states is the center of that cohesion? i've always gotten the impression though everyone is trying to do it without us. >> i think we're in a state where power is up for grabs,

whether it's china, russia, the united states, power is very fluid at the moment. you have a rise in china, a declining russia, those are causing problems in and of themselves. nobody quite knows where is going to be the center of power. >> i do think what you're seeing, and it seems at least from this side of the atlantic that other leaders who actually are our allies are playing a more leadership role. they were making the case that the globe should actually deal with climate change and the amazon is a perfect example. >> the administration called it a niche issue. >> i think that's why they're trying to separate, and present leadership on their own, where the u.s. is creating a bit of a vacuum. it does seem that there's more agreement that is taking place

among or allies than with us and our allies. i think that's a dangerous challenge going forward. >> i agree with you, but i think that's a little rosy. i think of like what might have been the tuned we missed. the u.s. president should have gone in and said, leaving aside climb changes -- but he should have talked about that also -- he should have talked about china's assault against democracy in hong kong. he should have talked with his partners saying we need to come up with a concerted effort to push back against china's unfair trade practices. there's a lot we could have had out a summit like this. it's encouraging to see the french president trying very hard to take leadership, deciding that iran is the issue, which is important. but i actually think some of these other issues are more important and it's a missed opportunity. >> i'm glad you raise that, there's know sign of detente

with china. "wall street journal" writes friday begin with tariffing of 5 and 10% on the remaining $75 billion of u.s. products that escaped duties. but then mr. trump began tweeting like a bull in a china shop. my only question is who is or bigger enemy? jay powell or chairman xi, as if mr. powell isn't a patriot? we don't need china and frankly would be far better off without them. our great american companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternate to china, including bringing your companies home. order, question mark? the journal writes. somebody should tell chairman trump this isn't the people's republic of american. i love it when "wall street journal" gets their -- in a bunch. >> that's interesting. i think it goes back to this --

china is a big issue. trade with china is something the obama administration was working on. the things that we're seeing, when you put sort of the weird tweet twitter threats aside, pulling american companies out of the china, the back and forth on how we're going to deal with china is not that abnormal when dealt with by the professionals. the fact it takes a long time, it's going to take multiple rounds of talks, that's just how it works. our issue is if it was just that, i think the world and in some ways american business could handle that. we have a process, this is how it words. but when you add the tweets, the other stuff, it makes people worried, unsettled, it makes the business markets unsettled. they don't know what they should do in the future. i said this earlier today, but it's like world leader and farmers in iowa both don't know what to do.

i think when you bring it back to people, especially like iowa farmers, they have no direction to go in. so they're literally losing money because of this. >> the missed opportunity is if we have a recession looming and the president wants to try to do something on the economy, there are actually very few tools at miss disposal. the fed could bring down interest rates a bit. there may be something on the edge of taxation. warm-up thing he could do is come up with a trail deal with china? what did he do on friday? he escalated things that makes it increasingly hard for xi jinping to come to the table and offer a trade deal. there have been some signs of some contraction. there are reports with business investment really declining. what's odd about this moment and what may get contributing to trump's behavior is, you know, presidents have ups and downs in

the economy. that happens with every president, but his actions are actually what are creating the global instability. if you -- if you want to paint a picture where donald trump is responsible for a downturn, it's eidy to paint. to that point, the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll out today shows a lot of uncertainty about the future. a majority of americans, 56% feel anxious and uncertain, because the economy still feels unpredictable. nearly three yards of americans feel angry, because the political system seeming to only working for the powerful. just 27% say they are confident that their children's generation will be better off than theirs. that's a sentiment that transcends all parties, income levels and races polled.

to your point, neera, i think this is what makes the trump campaign nervous behind the scenes. 'em if the economy indicators seem to be okay, there's a lot of uncertainty and nervousness. >> in fact, those stids are what-drive his election. he was taking advantage of this concern that the economy is working for some group of insiders and not everyday americans, that it's not going to be better for future generations. it doesn't work for everyone, but did a group of people. the challenge is it hasn't gotten better for a group, aon the other side, people are experience -- because of the global stability created by this trade war with china. >> we're not in a position to work with you're allies to combat any downturn.

>> he's evoking the emergency powers act, he has some emergency powers, but he's shown a tendency to want to abuse them in an unconstructive way. not to say let's get together. in fact he has to work with other countries, but also has to work with congress. i'm worried. i was up on the hill when we had the decline in 2008, and what worked really well was the bipartisan effort which then led into another administration. i'm worried about this tendency to blow things up and not know how to move forward constructively. there's one story that we haven't touched on that katty, i want to talk about, the british prime minister went for a morning swim while also dabbling in the subtle art of the metaphor. >> let me giver you a metaphor. i swam around that rock this morning, okay? from here -- that huge rock

there, from here you cannot tell there's a gigantic hole in that rock. there's a way through. >> reporter: did you go through? >> my point to the eu, there's a way through. but you can't find the way through if you just sit on the beach. katty, can you translate your new prime minister, please? >> i think he's possibly saying there's a deal possibly to be made over brexit, but hey, there isn't. that sounds is my head banging on the desk while i try figure out how to get through this. this is the big issue dividing the allies. france, germany and britain are not on the same page at the moment. we cannot be until this brexit issue is resolved. there is boris johnson have been to play to domestic audiences,

desperate to get a deal with donald trump. it could be a win-win, but once you get into the finer points, the fact that americans are happy to be eating checking rinsed in chlorines, and beef with or are hormones, and british are not, we're a ways off. [ laughter ] okay. thank you so much for being here, evelyn. very serious nice insight on other topics, not boris johnson. meanwhile, elizabeth warren turns out the biggest crowd yesterday, as joe biden trying to subtly make the point he's the electable one. marianne williamson joins me live from the campaign trail. you're watching "kasie dc." we're back after this. g "kasie . we're back after this. or this john smith. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths that are humana medicare advantage members.

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with our apologies to sarah mcloughlin, the field got a little smaller. meanwhile, joe biden is pushing his electability -- >> we know this is different, the threat more serious. we have to beat donald trump. all the polls agree, joe biden is the strongest democrat to do the job. no one is more qualified. for eight years, president obama and vice president biden were an administration america could be proud of. >> biden's first tv ad sought to mike president obama his de facto running mate. jill biden made the case even more bluntly yes, your candidate might be on, i don't know, health care than joe is, but you've got to look at who will win in election. maybe you have to swallow a bit

and say, okay, i sort of personally line so-and-so better, bur your bottom line has to be that we have to beat trump. recent pooles still shows biden out front, increasingly the visuals were getting off the campaign trail are on elizabeth warren's side. her campaign estimated 15,000 people in seattle, washington, tonight. that's where we find nbc's ali vitaly -- or at least the candidate was behind her a minute ago. this is a pretty big crowd. i remember goods to enormous events like this for bernie sanders back in 2016. it seeming to at least some evidence that warren has made a difference for herself here in the last couple weeks. >> this is one of three rallies where she's gotten thousands of people as opposed to the

hundreds. she's doing her usual selfies. the on this thing different is she's got 15,000 people who came to see her. in traveling to san francisco for the dnc summer retreat and then here, it seems that the race is tightening. there's an antsiness among some delegate that we met, just to get to kind of the primetime moment of this campaign season, where i know we've all been saying it's early, but not as early as it was four months ago. i'm really getting a sense the intensity is kicking up. with that we're seeing more about the conversation on electability, what it means to voters. and we asked that. >> what does electability even mean to you? >> i think the main thing is someone that can beat trump, someone that appeals to a lot of people, but also someone that can excite the base. >> the facts that we as a

country have a story that a woman can't beat a man is false, and i think we need to-to-to prove it is false. >> when we voted obama in is because we were passionate about obama. i think we need to have a candidate that we are passionate about, now one that can merely just beat trump. if you're passionate about it, then you're electable. >> reporter: caskasie, the quesn is does is it matter? what i'm looking to see is do the people skeptical about elizabeth warren's electability look as this, and think maybe there's something to what she's talking about. you compare what she was doing this week to even just to today. he had hundreds in new hampshire a bit more intimate than what she was doing here. i wonder if that will change

with the optics. if you're joe biden andee argument says the polls say i'm the most likely to beat trump, he has been consistent. those are fickle. s but i don't really blade -- >> thank you as always. stay safe on the trail. our panel is back with us, shauna, it's in seattle, washington -- >> a somewhat liberal place? irgesz -- >> a somewhat liberal place. the polls shows white liberal voters are inclined to support her. she can't win this primaries unless she wins over

african-americans and south carolina. >> i think the difference between joe biden and elizabeth warren, jess joe biden that is african-american support. for her, she has room to go. there are a lot of people who don't know who elizabeth warren is. i no ali said it's not four months ago, we're in august. august is still pretty far away from 2020 when iowa goes up. if she gets energy out of iowa and that creates people learning about who she is you notice perhaps that will happen. i will say people don't necessarily say i'm interested in what elizabeth warening has to say. they do come out saying i am interested her roll-out was

pretty rough. there are clear indicators that she is really making a run for this. it's not just crowd size, but it's also grass-roots fund-raising. i wish for elizabeth warren or anyone running this race, you're hearing a very positive message, as was outlined. they were all at the dnc meeting. they were all talking about how they would help people. you didn't necessarily hear name-calling. you didn't necessarily hear them attacking their -- you know, other democrats in the race, the way the republicans did in 2016. you heard that vision. i think this is why this primary

is so different -- >> we'll see if it holds for the next debate. neera, what's your take on the biden electability? people usually don't put polls in their first ads. >> i would saying the vice president had rough debate performances, particularly the first. he's actually come back. a lot of people predicted he would be down for the count, would never come back up. i think this is a moment for him to be actually using they polls. i do think it's surprising that he's actually as strong as he is. he's had a rough summer in many respects. a lot of negative names, a lot of candidates are very much focused on him. he is still in in a place. i think elizabeth warren is making her own elect salt, and if shall performs really well, my view is people are not

looking at these debates. who's going to be able to take on trump. she goes into the debates, performs really well. she comes under fire. she's also making the case in real life that she can take on trump. joe biden is still tronger, but she's doing pretty well, too. >> for certain she has out worked a lot of her others fellow candidates. after the break, i'm joined by marianne williamson, the most googled candidates after both debates. , the most googled candidates after both debates. ings ings banjo?

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welcome back to "kasie dc." joining mess from manchester, new hampshire, presidential candidate marianne williamson. thank you for being back on the show. >> thank you so much for having me. >> let me start with what's coming up on the horizon, which is the third democratic presidential debate. the deadline to be included on that stage is this wednesday. as of now, you have not met the

polls threshold to land on that debate stage and potentially on future debate stages. how do you see yourself changing that game, getting on those stages? >> we made the 130,000 unique donors. there are 17 dnc designated polls. four of them have cut out. will the others come out? we don't know. it's an opaque process, but i'm running for presidents. i had hundreds of people in new hampshire. i have people attending my talks. people are understanding what i'm talking about. we're having a conversation about america, the history of this country, how how navigate the phase, how how we create the future for our children, and i think the american people are still processing. as long as i feel there's a listening for that in terms of my campaign, that determines what i do. not whether i get into one dnc

debate. even if i don't get into this one, there's something much more important going on than what the dnc has to say. several of the candidates that have dropped out in recent daze, have acknowledged that they simply we aren't getting traction in a feel that still includes 21 candidates. how do you break out? >> you know, when you talk about traction, traction in how you break out. that's a dog-and-pony show to me. >> but that's the presidential race. that's what it takes. >> well, that's what i'm talking about, a presidential race. jay inly made an immesh rabltie bugs. his being here was important. whether or not he continued in the race is not as important as what he brought to it. i'm bringing something. i'm talking about children and millions of traumatized american children. i'm talking about race in a deeper level. i'm talking about a department

of peace, waging peace. i'm talking about create ago moral imply. that's what matters. the conversation i'm having with the american people, not this -- you know, when you're in new hampshire like i am, i'm very clear it's what happening in the minds of people in new hampshire, people in iowa, what's happening in the minds of people in south carolina, nevada and california. that's where this campaign is, and for those of us who are actually in the campaign, that's where you keep your attention. not what i call the political media industrial complex. that's not what politics should be about. it should be about the conversation that the american people are having. people are ready for a deeper conversation than just a horse race, and i feel i'm being heard. >> it sounds like in the case of jay inly, i hear you bringing about stuff to the conversation, but i don't hear you talking about winning? >> how do you know? i absolutely am talking about --

he felt he should leave, but i feel like i should stay. that might just take me to the white house, casey. donald trump is president. i don't believe he is just a politician. he a phenomenon. i don't believe that an insider politics game will defeat that. i feel like the democrats are sharpening our knives. the republicans are bringing a gun to this. we have to be create ago phenomenon of our own. that phenomenon will have to do with an uprising of the consciousness and inspiration of the american people. that to me will not come from the same old, same old conversation. that will comes from a more radical truth telling, and the american people know that. >> you're saying insider politics games won't beat donald trump. are you talking about joe biden? >> no, i'm not. let's make this clear. whoever the democratic nominee is, whether it's me or anyone else, i'm all in. i feel that from all the

candidates. we all know what the boom line is. the bottom line is a democrat needs to win in 2020. i'm all in. but i'm submitting to you that i don't believe an insider politics game will create the kind of energy we need. donald trump did not win, and if he wins again, he will not win again only because of the people so excited about donald trump. we need to do more than just have people angry at donald trump. we have to speak to all those millions of people who didn't even vote. for that to happen, to really engage the people who didn't vote, the people who voted for jill stein, we have to offer up something more inspiring, more motivating than what we're talking about now. that is what i believe that i am. i'm talking about a morgue politics, a moral economy, dealing with the millions of traumatized american children, having a serious conversation about race in the united states, about repair tiff measures, not only with our past shadows, but also native-americans.

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to as the lungs of the planet, because it produce being 20% of the world's oxygen. but right now it's choking behind thick smoke and flames. the region has seen more than 74,000 wildfires since january, up 84% from this time last year. cause in the fray is brazil's

president, jair bolsonaro. first he blamed the fires on his critics, that they were intentionally set, without providing any evidence. by thursday, he relented saying farmers burning land may be behind the fires. yesterday he announced plans to deploy 44,000 troops to battle the flames. joining misis conservationist paul he roasty. we got a glimpse at some of the work you did showing what's going on in the amazon. just give us a sense. we tried to lay it out, but how severe in this crisis, and is it possible at this point to try and, if not fix it, then at least make it less worse? >> well, we absolutely have to fix it. the amazon, like i said producing a fifth of our fresh water and a fifth of the oxygen.

this is a crucial biome. at this point we have lost 20% of the rain forest, but with really have to use this as a warm-up call. we can't live without systems like this, especially on this scale. paul, we know that deforestation has increased significantly under president bolsonaro. to what extent is he and his policy toss blame for what we're seeing at the moment? could president trump, who seems to have a pretty good relationship with jair bolsonaro use that relationship to change the policies? >> it does seem like he's having a fuj effect. he's saying this seems like a bary for economic development, whereas for him he's not ability to make a profit off the amazon, whereas the entire planet benefits from that forest standing. if trump suddenly wakes up and decides to be an

environmentalist, he probably could see that pressure, but in the past few days we've seen the pressure, with activists and leaders voicing their outrage. 1,000-year-old trees are burning an ecosim is falling apart. we've been doing this for 30 years. that pressure has had an effect with where we're seeing him deploy the military, firefighters, and we need to keep up that pressure. this problem is not going to go away. >> paul, realistically, what can our viewers do? if people seeing these pictures, you know, a lot of them want to try to do something to help solve the problem, what can they do from home to try to address this? >> after i put up that video, we've been getting into many messages from people who say they feel hopeless, they feel grief. there's a lot of power that voters have. we should not be considering anybody without investigating their environmental policies. ked elect leaders that

understand biology and science. the other is keeping pressure on corporations. this same thing is happening in indonesia. it's the palm oil industry. they're just shaving in indonesia, and people care about these things. people realize that usuallied poorest, indigenous people are worst hit and the climate affects us all. these deforestation issues are extremely tied to climate change. as well as supporting organizations that are actually protecting land, that produces this rain forest. rain forests produce the clouds. it's a loom. if you take too much of the amazon away, you could reach a tipping point where the moisture cycle is broken and we see more intense drying, and then we can talk about it falling apart, which would absolutely be

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white supremacist leanings. in los angeles a man was arrested on suspicions of possessing parts to make a bomb. he allegedly supremacists and wanted to attack jewish residents. a 20-year-old white nationalist threatened a jewish community center. they confiscated a number of weapons at his mother's home. joining me now founder of the free radical project. he is back with msnbc's "breaking hate" and the author of a new book called "breaking hate, confronting the new culture of extremism." thanks for being here. i want to start with what we're seeing now with these additional plots that have been foiled.

these mass shootings with these ties to white supremacist groups, how do we prevent ourselves from encouraging and empowering others who want to do something similar in how we cover and talk about what's happened here? >> well, thanks, kasie. i think the first thing that we need to do, and it's very important, is that we need to call it by its name. we have a domestic extremism problem in our country. there isn't anybody focussed on it in the government. programs have been defunded over the last few years. and even programs focussed on the far right. the first step is we need to ensure there is a mechanism in place to be able to investigate these crimes. i have to tell you there are days almost every week where i feel like my inbox is a risk assessment for homeland security and they're better suited for it than me. and the problem is that we are

creating an environment where more of these attacks are happening, partly because of the internet. but also because we are not taking the steps to make sure this doesn't exist in our society. >> christian, so "the wall street journal" says 56% of americans think race relations have gotten worse under president trump. but you joined the movement decades ago, got out of it. you are trying to help people. what do we miss in this conversation about race relations when we try to just tie it to the current president or the current political situation? >> i think we have to remember that this is a problem that we've had in our country for 400 years. in 1619, in 1919 and now in 2019 we still have this problem. and there will be a continuous line of people for me to help disengage from extremist movements unless we change the systemic we're seeing.

>> how has the trump administration affected some of the efforts started under president obama to try and combat this? it's pretty clear funding has been cut. there has been a lack of attention that could be contributing. >> their doj efforts, state department efforts domestically and globally to fight nationalism and basically extremism of this kind around the globe. so it's not just the united states. it is a global issue. but in the united states, there was state and local programming that the federal government was supporting that has cut back. i think the challenge here is not just that you see this programs that have been cut back, but the president's rhetoric, which seems to sanction this kind of activity. and, so, i think it's both of those issues which is, you know, these people, these voices are out there and we used to have

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so we're going to talk about what we're watching in the week ahead in just a second. but first we want to send our well wishes to justice ruth bader ginsburg. it is no secret that she is a fighter. >> i think it was after the pancreatic cancer. a senator announced i was going to be dead within six months. that senator whose name i have forgotten is himself dead, and i am very much aliooifalive. i'm interested in whether this conversation about guns can actually make it to september when the congress comes back. gabby's group is doing a texas tour. bernie sanders who was in

louisville, kentucky, today put some pressure on mitch mcconnell. in this news cycle, it is hard to believe the drum beat will continue, but i'm curious to see. >> forget everything else. the only thing to watch for is your baby. >> it's supposed to happen this week. >> i'm excited and a tiny bit jealous. take as much time off as you can. you will get sleep back again. it only lasts for a certain period of time. >> i'm going to hang on that. >> can i get two things? one, i want to also say that. otherwise i feel like really bad if i don't say that. so number one. and number two, i'm really looking to see if we'll get more signs from the white house that they are actually concerned about the economy. the payroll tax. i think that really helped tell

us whether there is a challenge coming up. thank you very much. i too am watching to see if i have a baby this week. that will do it for us tonight. coming up next on msnbc, "breaking hate" a white supremacist helps turn backs on hate. this is an msnbc special series. series all across america, support for white nationalism is growing. and violence against jews is skyrocketing. >> we are talking on a-47 fire. the suspect is talking about all these jews