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good morning, i'm jo ling kent. it's 7:01 here in new york. here's what's happening right now. >> they're going to shoot! >> random and mysterious, the latest mass shooting again in texas. new details this hour and frankeni

frightening accounts of what happens. dorian's path is looming and uncertain and the time we with have this morning. and a few key states who could decide who wins and who loses. all of that coming up in politics next. we're starting with breaking news this morning, a shooting rampage has left at least five people dead and 21 injured in west texas. it started when state troopers stopped a man for failing to signal a left turn. that driver opening fire and speeding off, and then randomly firing at innocent people while speeding through odessa and midland texas. at one point he hijacked a u.s. postal service truck and two witnesses describe fleeing from the chaos. >> the vehicle that was described was actually behind us, like a little less than 500 people. and we saw the flash of the guns and there was probably two, three guns sticking out of the window.

and we saw all the way back and flew into the hcbc parking lot and tried to hide. >> i saw it and was trying to drive and it was a scary moment. i have a son. i didn't know if i would see him again or not. >> and scary moment when officers killed the man outside a movie theater more than ten miles from where police initially pulled him over. >> oh, my, god. folks are you down? >> can you see the shooter there? >> i don't know. i don't know. i can't see. >> police have only identified the gunman as white man in his 30s and have not yet revealed any potential motive. police expected to give an update later this morning at a press conference. and we have nbc's vaughn hillyard driving us live from odessa, texas.

vaughn, what is the mood on the ground this morning there? >> it's still early in the morning here, jo, in odessa, texas. these are two cities populations combined, and that's where the traffic stop took place on i-20 from midland heading into odessa. as authorities have said, it was a gold honda stopped at 3:30 p. -- 3:13 yesterday afternoon. two deputies were in the control vehicle when he took aim at the deputies. one was shot and taken hot hospital and in stable condition. it was at that point the vehicle downwards down the atlantic 20, stopping at multiple points taking aim at otherwise random people along the road. eyewitnesses described the gunman taking aim, one individual saying that the gunman took aim at her own vehicle with four children. i want to let you hear from one of those eyewitnesses as this unfolded here. ultimately as you said it was ten miles away before they got

to the point here at this movie theater in which there were hundreds of people leaving the scene as this was unfolding just to our left. i want to let you hear from one of those eyewitnesses. >> he gets out and starts shooting at us. my husband saw him shooting at us. and we got on to the medium. we saw him get back on his car so my husband got back on the interstate and we passed him or whatever and -- and we were trying to like warn people that there was a shooter in pact of us. we saw him coming closer. i was looking in the mirror, lacking back and i could see him like loading up a gun and it looked like a loan, flat g-- long, flat gun i say. i said we need to get off the interstate. we go to the right side of the median and got off and turned on the service roading back to

midland and he shot us again when he passed us. thankfully he didn't hit us or anything. >> jo, there's still, frankly, much we do not know here at the scene. there were cell phone videos taken here from this parking lot at the movie theater in which ultimately the gunman ditched his gold hontia and hijacked a u.s. postal service van. that van made its way crashing into a police vehicle here at the scene and that's where ultimately the gun standoff came to an end which officers took aim and killed that gunman. all we know at this point is the gunman via authorities was a white male in his 30s. as that scene took place and people fled in the parking lot and left the scene. it's closed down here. lights are turned off at the movie theater and there are still many questions. we know five dead, 21 injured and only now are we beginning to

understand a little bit about the identity of those killed and injured. jo? >> vaughn hillyard, we know a 17-month-old among them. appreciate your reporting on the ground. let's bring in clint van stan, it's msnbc former fbi profiler and negotiator. the life of an fbi negotiator and prosecutor. good morning. what will be the number win thing policer looking for here? >> motive. we always look for motive. everyone wants to know why the individual did it but to fbi profilers is why that day? what flipped a switch in this individual's head? was he planning on some type of terrible activity and the police just happened to intersent his course in pulling him over? was that the key event that set him off? we know as your witnesses are describing a long rifle, looks like he had a lot of ammunition.

he just coincidentally had that lane in front of his seat or did he plan on type of terrible activity and the police intercepted before he could carry it out? but he still committed these acts of murder and mayhem. >> in your experience, what was going through the mind of an investigator there right now there on the crime scene trying to determine any shred of a motive. >> one thing you're looking at quickly is who else knew? did anybody else facilitate this? when the information first came out, it sounded like there were two shooters, one person in a gold car, one person in a postal van. but of course it was the same shooter, he had switched vehicles. did anybody help him, did anybody work with his planning? secondly, what was going on in his life? why yesterday, why not next week or last week? we tried to study the minds. we tried to candle the heads of these serial shooters, mass shooters, so we can better

understand, perhaps find ways to intersecretary them just like the police intersected this guy, try to find ways to step into their path before they victimize others and themselves. >> clint, this is a rolling shooting. are you rolling at all others will try to emulate this style of attack? >> we have yet to see a mass shooter who hasn't studied prior shootings. school shooters, every school shooters looks at columbine in colorado and studies that and then comes forward again. there's going to be mass shooters. all of these individuals maybe psychologically setting on the edge of the abyss, making decisions. if i do this, how can i do it? how can i get more drama into what i'm doing? the race is going on between potential shooters trying to get a plan together and investigators trying to get in front of that plan and head it off before people die. >> clint van zandt, thank you very much for your perspective this morning. we're covering another big

breaking story, right now hurricane dorian slowly making its way towards the east coast. you're looking at a live nikt in nassau where the powerful category storm is expected to strike the northern bahamas tonight. we are talking about a storm 105 miles long. dorian projected to remain offshore but likely hug the florida east coast there. and dorian could bring potentially life-threat enning storm surge, hurricane force winds and heavy rainfall from georgia to the carolinas. across the southeast, residents, concerned and they're not wasting any time getting ready to go. buildings are getting boarded up across the property. >> i had a landfall that missed a few yards, few miles but just the effect and rain and wind from hugo told me never to take anything lightly.

>> nbc meteorologist janessa webb has been tracking the storm all morning. and melvin is bracing for the impact. janessa, you say it's slowly slowing down here. and this is bad news. >> yes, it's slowing down and this is a bad thing. bahamas on our radar with hurricane warnings and tropical storm warnings put in place here. bahamas is a very level elevation and we are talking storm surge 10 to 15 feet, this will be catastrophic for this island. we are seeing rain bands starting to hit that area. you saw it in our live shot. waves are already starting to pick up here. we're talking about sustained winds of 150 miles per hour. people have been asking me do i think this will go into a cat 5? if it's going to happen, it's going to be happening in the

next one 20 two hours here with the movement currently at 8 miles per hour. the reason i say that is because this storm system going to dramatically slow down. as it steers to the north and west, i potentially think here by monday, tuesday, this storm will only flow about two to three miles per hour here. as it makes that turn, it's going to slow down and cause the wind speeds to really dramatically decrease here but we're still talking about a major hurricane. what does that mean? you're still talking about a cat 3 that's well offshore here. but the storm surge for miami to orlando, that's still a very big deal here, about ten feet potentially here with isolated rain paamounts up to 20 inches some spots. the forecast really changed from south carolina to north carolina. do i think we'll have a landfall in these areas? that cone, i want to rewind

here, let's show you here. for south carolina, a potential cat 2 here, this is about a 20 to 30-mile difference. if our next update shows a shift here, we could potentially see a landfall. just because the eye of the storm is not going to hit, you still have the outer eye. you still have the rain bands. that is going to be dramatic for south carolina, and the north carolina coast. we're not out of the woods just yet. as i said, jo, the steering of this thing, 20 miles, game-changer. >> janessa, nobody in the clear here it looks like. we know conditions are already deteriorating in the 0 northern bahamas, as dorian approaches. nbc's morgan chesky is in nassau. how are people prepare and for the 15-foot storm surges this morning? >> there's only so much you can do when you have a storm as

powerful as dorian is. people up and down the bahamas are preparing for the worst, that means boarding up every building they can and stocking up on food and get as much fuel as they can. a lot of people know once dorian roars ashore, it will not just be the wind but theed intoing will be a problem, dropping so much rain and power outages as a result of that. i had a chance to speak to several bahamasian in route and they tell me shelves are empty and bare in grocery stores. in the meantime the prime minister of the bahamas issuing a dire warning for anyone in those especially low-lying areas in abaco island and grand pmz saying plea bahamas, get away from there if you can. this is not a storm you want to take a chance with. and here in nassau, they're being relatively safe boarding

up front of the businesses but right now abaco and grand bahamas, people are staying ahead of the storm, but we're already seeing telltale signs, winds starting to pick up, waves picking up ahead of dorian which is being described as a monster on the doorstep of the bahamas. jo? >> morgan chesky, we're watching those waves behind you. good luck and stay safe out there. now we want to turn to mariana atencio in melbourne, florida. this storm is looking to move in a direction and that may not be a direct hit. how are people preparing? >> i spoke to officials here from brevard county last night, jo, and they tell me they're delaying mandatory evacuations until tomorrow at 8:00 a.m., not because they do not think they will get the effects or hit by the storm, but because this is a slow-moving storm.

you see it's a beautiful day behind me, at least for now, and we talked to a lot of locals walking around now and taking in what one couple described as the calm before the storm. we even saw a couple going out to fish. i asked them what about the storm concerns you? and this is what they said and how they are preparing. let's listen. >> we're more comfortable with the store taking crack down and it's slowed down and it's labor weekend and we want to try to get a few fish. >> especially it's such a slow-moving storm, how are you preparing? >> we have everything set, got the house boarded and see if we can catch a few bites before it hits. >> do you think it's tough people are putting their guards down when it's still unpredictable? >> hard to say. most people ran around the last few days getting back and whatnot. i know our community is boarded up and ready to go. >> history is on their side. according to the local paper, since there have been hurricane

records a category 3 or higher has not made landfall in brevard county. those folks banking on that. nonetheless, the county is having a big sandbagist up north. we will be checking that out for you guys and bringing pictures later today. >> mariano atencio in northern florida, thank you very much. an bankrupt white house departure with a dramatic twist. the details from a reporter on why the president's assistant as we forced to resign. is worries. because he uses polident 4 in 1 cleaning system to kill 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. polident. clean. fresh. and confident. of odor causing bacteria. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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this morning. necessity reaction from the white house on a deadly shooting in odessa, texas. vice president mike pence as he left for poland saying the president is closely monitoring the developments from camp david. >> the president and i and our administration remain absolutely determined to work with leaders in both parties of the congress to take such steps that we can address and confront this scourge of mass atrocity in our country. joining me now is emily know, national politics for news day and the national reporter from newsday. good morning. >> good morning. >> how do we know the president is striking bipartisanship on this shooting given the climate around shootings? >> you notice he spoke right

away on action rather than delaying talk of how thieves can be stopped. usually it's thoughts and prayers but now it's momentum against taking legislative action. there's been 51 deaths in the month of august, related to mass shootings, and not to speak of death by gun violence. this and other means, like suicide. and i think there's a push now for lawmakers to both sides of the aisle to do something as the cry goes. >> do you think this will impact senate majority leader mitch mcconnell? he hasn't said anything and the house is calling them to bring those two pieces to a senate vote. >> he rejected to the break calls to come back from recess and take a vote on the extended background checks still. but the debate will be very much alive come foul because there are six democratic senators who are presidential candidates and

they will keep this in the headlines and tweeting and talking about it, and that's not to mention two texans also in the presidential primary who will definitely bring this up in the upcoming debate. >> daniel, i want to shift gears here. you broke a story about the president's personal assistant being fired about comments about the president's family and his daughters ivanka and tiffany. of course, you were citing sources here. can you walk us through how this story came about? earn wants to know. >> yes, everyone was wondering in washington why she was fired so my task on friday was to figure that out exactly. so after calling around different sources with, you know, familiar with the matter, i found out that she had gone to this dinner with four reporters from mainstream outlets. she had too many drinks that night. and then she started to tell reporters she had a better relationship with the president than ivanka or tiffany, and she

also alleged that trump doesn't like being in pictures with his own daughter tiffany because she thinks he's overweight. so that was kind of the critical part of that story because, you know, president trump has fat-shamed people before but for his assistant to tell reporters that he's doing that to his daughter kind of take that's step another -- makes it more serious. >> and we should note these off-the-record dinners happen on the campaign trail or at the white house or around the white house on a pretty regular basis. it's not abnormal. the question here is about the resignation and/firing. if the white house did not force her to resign, do you think this story would have just stayed under the radar? >> i think these remarks would have eventually made its way out. if one person at the dinner tells another person and then that word gets back to the white house ait did two weeks since

this dinner, it's not a huge surprise that this became public. this dinner was two weeks ago and people -- d.c. is a small town and reporters like to talk to each other. in a moment of indiscretion, she went too far and kind of describing -- she talked about trump's eating habits. she talks about barron trump. so she was too candid. but they couldn't sweep this under the rug. trump had to be convinced that she had to go and now he's making threats of suing her if she violates a nondisclosure agreement, which we don't even know that she signed. this is the same tactic he used against omarosa. but as the president's gatekeeper she knows a lot and been with him every step of the way in the past 2 1/2 years. >> is an nda enforceable given the position she held?

>> those things are generally not enforceable but she has to make a determination whether a book would be the right step for her. so i can imagine she's going to test out the job market for the next six months. if she can land something. if not, and you have publishers, here's a million dollars, that's sometimes hard to turn down. >> emily, what do you think this says about the current climate inside the white house? >> it's -- trump is having trouble maintaining spaces, whether it's her level, cabinet levels. we have hurricane dorian bearing down and he doesn't have a fema director in place. it's inability to retain people around him. >> daniel, emily, thank you very much for being here this morning. >> thank you. amid yesterday's mayhem in texas emerged acts of tremendous generosity and courage for one of the shooting victims next. maria ramirez?

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we're back with more breaking news. at least five people killed and 21 more injured after a shooting rampage in west texas yesterday. a man opening fire on state troopers during a traffic stop and randomly firing at innocent

people while driving through odessa and midland, texas. the shooter even hijacking a u.s. postal service truck and chaos ending in a shootout outside a movie theater where officers killed the gunman. >> oh, my god. are you down? >> are you shooting at that man? >> i don't know. i don't know. i can't see. >> police have only identified the gunman as a white man in his 30s and there will be a press conference coming up later on this morning. 13 victims are in a hospital in odessa, 7 in critical condition. here's the ceo of the medical center. >> anybody that hurts the sound of my voice, you need to grasp on to your loved ones and told on to them and pray for this town and all of the towns and families of the victims involved. you need to hold on to them because this is a scary incident and nobody's guaranteed tomorrow. >> nbc's vaughn millard is

joining us again live from the shooting scene in odessa, texas. there's a 17-month-old girl in the hospital, she was injured. how is the community rallying around her right now? >> exactly. among those 21 injured is the 17-month-old. anderson davis is her name. there's a gofundme page that's been set up and her mother wrote on this post, it was set up by a friend but her mother wrote on her post yesterday the 15-month-old, the family was on their way to lubbock, texas, which is about two hours north from here and the 17-month-old sustained shrapnel, not only to her chest but also to her face, into her lip, knocking out her bottom team according to her mom's writings. as of this morning, we're already 13 hours after that shooting, $105,000 has been raised. the young girl's mother wrote on their way to lubbock, that the young girl was medevaced to a

lubbock hospital. she said the family, meanwhile, is trailing behind and was driving to the hospital. we do know very little information about other victims, quite frankly, at this time. among the five dead, however, we do know that there was one high school student here that attended odessa high school, according to the high school district. there's still have much to learn, the sun is not even up here in odessa. to give you an idea here in texas, this is the biggest metropolitan area. there's about 250,000 people here between midland and odessa, two sister cities. three outs to the west is el paso, three hours north dallas and three hours lubbock. this is a tight-knit community here. as you indicated this took place ten miles down the road and over the course of two hours and

there was much melee and confusion to what was taking place until finally it was brought to an end and the gunman was killed in this movie theater here in odessa. >> vaughn, thank you very much for that report and we're so glad the 17-month-old seems to have superficial injuries and seems to be pulling through okay. we're back with more on hurricane dorian and category 4 storm threatening four states. and the businesses along the beach front are being boarded up in preparation for high winds. and we're looking at late pictures from nasa showing the massiveness of this hurricane. residents in florida, georgia and carolinas are taking this threat very, very seriously. >> these things can change anywhere path and either it can mess up completely or it may pummel up. i just don't know. i so will just be prepared either way. >> i prepared for this storm by having my medications, cat food,

dog food and cash. banks will be closed and out of power so you cannot get money out of the bank. so you got to have cash. >> nbc meteorologist janessa webb is back with us. janessa, what is the update? is it more predictable now? do you have a better sense of the timeline here? >> i think our models are starting to come into agreement here. we have a few that makes it onshore for florida here but the brunt of them, over about 22, 30 of those models are keeping this well offshore but, of course, that can change. i have been looking at the cone of uncertainty, just measured it out and we're talking about a 60 had much mile difference for hitting the florida coast. the eye of that storm to possible areas of west palm beach. right now we know we have tropical storm warnings that are in effect for west palm beach. this is well offshore here and hurricane warnings for the northern areas of the bahamas. what does that mean? potentially having right now,

tropical storm warnings. it will happen here. what we're going to see these hurricane force winds also possible storm stuurges in that area. this is too close for comfort here. even the cone of uncertainty still has this as a major hurricane here. you're going to see the storm surge, major flooding here, even though it's offshore. the track as of 8:00 has cat 2, charleston, north carolina still going to be feeling the effects of this storm system. jo? >> janessa, thuchb. joining us is the press secretary mar traa petrone, press secretary for homeland security. welcome back. i wanted to ask you, this hurricane now according to our projections, will remain offshore. tell us how people in florida should be preparing for outer bans, outer eye as that storm hugs the coast? >> people should be preparing for the worst of the worst. any emergency manager will tell to you prepare for the

worst-case scenario and hope for the best. we're never as prepared as we think they should be because we can't foresee everything. that's why it's so important for people to look to their local and state officials for guidance, if you're told to evacuate, please do so. please prepare like the gentleman mentioned in -- right before this, to be prepared for supplies, medicine, pet food, all of those things for about a week because you just don't know. even if a storm isn't particularly strong, the after effects can still do a lot of damage and recovery might be slow. so what we're looking for is storm surge, those prop cal winds and heavy rainfall thereafter. >> this is now looking to be heading towards georgia and the carolinas here. dorian changing its path. what should folks in those

states, who thank you they have learned from previous hurricanes that they can apply now? >> what we learn is that it's totally unpredictable. so have a plan in place and keep watching the storm. again, prepare for the worst-case scenario. you just don't know. remember back in 2012 hurricane sandy was an extra tropical storm. the damage lasted much longer. we saw the same thing with houston. the best thing to do is to just be extra, extra prepared for the worst-case scenario and hope for the best. >> is there any new technology or new strategies you think ought to be deployed in storm preparation or forecasting that we haven't even yet? >> i think our local and state emergency responders know what to look for in their particular area. florida, for example, is a peninsula. it's a little bit harder to preposition supplies. so everyone county in those

areas knows their county, they know what they need, how long it takes to get supplies in and if they need to evacuate how long to take out those -- or to order these at-risk population to get out of there. and especially their roadways and so you don't bottleneck traffic as people are trying to leave the area. but at the same time you don't want to order an evacuation if there are high winds. you don't want people out there on the roads and bridges. so, again, we have to look to our local emergency responders for the best advice. it doesn't matter what president trump was telling you. look towards the real experts for the advice. >> all right. president trump is also keeping a close eye on this storm from camp david. marsha ka troen, thank you very much. >> thank you. 2020 path to victory. why four states could determine victory in the battle for the white house. ir, you get more than free shipping.

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now to a new report on the race for 2020 that says the ee toral map could be the smallest in years. "the washington post" laying out the newest evidence the election can come down to just pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin and florida. dan balz reporting many analysts point to wisconsin as the single state upon which the election could turn. let's bring in bishop garrison,

cofounder of the joseph rainy center for public policy and republican strategist brian darling, founder of liberty judgment affairs. good morning. >> good morning. >> do you agree the electoral nap will be this narrow? what does this mean for the eventual democratic nominee? >> sure. ultimately you need to focus in these potential states. the electoral map has always been about 11, 12 states, battleground states to begin with. the idea the focus will be a little more narrow, we just saw that in 2016. so no one should be necessarily that surprised that we're going to have that big -- that small i should say of a focus again, concentrating these particular states. but at the end of the day we want our current president and we want our democratic candidate to do all they can to speak to all people and to speak to all voters because ultimately they're not just going to represent four states. they're going to represent the totality of the country. >> brian, what do you think

republicans are learning from what happened with hillary losing wisconsin and this new narrower electoral map? >> president trump clearly when he was running changed the map in opening up wisconsin and michigan and changing what a lot of people had thought going forward. now we look at those states as swing states and before they were pretty solidly democratic. i think the map is critical and may change again. there are other states republicans and democrats are looking at but ultimately it will come down to wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania and florida and we will see these candidates flooding into those states and spending a lot of time trying to get the voters on their side. >> the president is already lost a notable amount of support. according to are the analysis of the approval mubz in july versus

january 2017, we're seeing a net anythingtive approval rating in all four states and if you look right at wisconsin, it's negative 14. brian, what do you make of this for his re-election process just by the numbers right now? >> the numbers are not great but look back to the election of 2016 when president trump was wildly viewed as losing wisconsin. ron johnson, when he was running for re-election in the senate that year, nobody thought he was going to win. i think the polls necessarily are -- well, there's an indication of where the american electorate are going but there's not dispositive. so i wouldn't put too much weight into early polls. >> bishop, you also have a number of democrats calling to eliminate the electoral college. this is why the map is so narrow here. you have payer pete buttigieg saying it, senator bernie sanders and senator elizabeth warren. but congressman alexandria oscasio-cortez's is also getting some attention here and she's pointing out the population question associated with the electoral college. listen to this.

>> we're coming to you live from the electoral college. many vote here, as you can see, very efficient way to choose leadership for the president of the country. i can't think of any other way, can you? >> she's also tweeting that the electoral college is racist. so what do you think here? do democrats overall, is she bringing up an issue that is valid here? >> i think there's needs to be a broader conversation about it. i think intellectually speaking from the idea in the modern day is whether or not we actually need it is a very valid point. the same idea as to why we vote on the same day as we do. it's historically unnecessary at this point. so there are definitely conversations that we need to have around our processes but right now i think candidates need to be focused a bit more on their messaging, their policy,

then how they will bring about true change for their voters. i'm not saying it's not important. i definitely feel we need to have a deeper conversation but that's not something that will be resolved in 2020. right now candidates need to be focused on why they believe they should be president over president trump and bringing that message home to voting americans. >> brian, we also know some democrats think texas is now in play for 2020. do you think so? >> no. i think republicans -- >> he's wrong. it is, absolutely. >> if texas is in play, then it's over. we can can cmail it all in and home. >> agreed. >> republicans look at california, we can win california, that never happens. texas is not in play, we saw with ted cruz winning re-election. looking back to the electoral college it's very important to preserve the idea of federalism. we're a democratic republic and it's very important to keep that balance. our founders had a plan for the

country and that's what they came up with, electoral college and it serves us well. >> i know we can talk about the electoral college all morning. bewe have to go. thank you so much for waking you up with us. one day after the mass shooting in texas, people in odessa can carry a gun with them in their own church. the looser gun restrictions coming up next.

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restrictions to carry firearms in public places. and they remove a limit on how many school marshals. the set of laws also allows gun owners in carry in places of worship, unless otherwise indicated on a sign, and protect gun owners, if guns are carried into a prohibited area. there's a lot to chew on here. let's bring on clint van zandt. based on your experience, do you see the laws reducing mass shootings and helping us in terms of safety? or is this going to do the opposite? >> i think it will be a challenge. we shouldn't have guns in schools unless it's police officer or someone else that's duly sworn and that's their jobs. teachers are to teach. i don't want a pilot trading shots with a hijacker.

let law enforcement do it. number two, when we see the concern in churches. that goes back to november 2017, when a church shooter committed a mass shooting using a semiautomatic weapon, and fired 700 shots inside around a church. we're trying to close the barn door after the shooter escapes. there's no one thing that will stop mass shootings. but we will do things that will hopefully tighten up gun laws, not loosen them. >> you think this set of laws is not good for safety? is that what you're saying? >> i don't think this will be good for safety. this identifies places where they can have a gun. if churches want to put up a

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them. but we know this is [ bleep ] up.