we are all out of time this hour on msnbc live. it's time for "up with david gura." sitting in for david, is allison morris. welcome to "up." i'm allison morris in for david gura. it's a busy sunday morning. new details emerging from another mass shooting. a gunman opened fire on the freeway in the odessa and midland area. it come s after a rampage kille in el paso. >> don't know what the motivation is. don't know the firearms that were used or how they acquire them. but we know this is [ bleep ] up.

moments ago, an update from the national hurricane center, hurricane dorian, a category 5, with the east coast of florida in its sight. at hong kong, hundreds gathered at the airport, shutting down train service. we'll have the latest on the continuing unrest. we begin closely following the news of another mass shooting. more dead in a mass shooting in odessa, texas. officials identified the shooter as a white male in his 30s, but they have not revealed a motive. this began as a traffic stop, where police stopped him for failing to use a turn signal. he fired at the officers and ran off, shooting at innocent civilians.

he ditched his car to hijack a mail truck. >> the vehicle that was described, actually was behind us, like, a little less than 500 feet. we saw the flash of the guns and we leaned the seat all the way back and went inside. >> going down, hearing gunshots, and still trying to drive. scary moment. that was a close one. >> the rampage ended when officers killed the gunman outside of a movie cheater. bystanders captured part of that moment on camera. >> oh, my god. are you down? >> are they shooting that man over there? >> i don't know. i don't know. i can't see. >> our team of reporters is on the ground watching the story

for us. vaughn hillyard is in odessa, texas, and hans nichols is at the white house. vaughn, if you can run us through here. what you know, what the latest is on the ground. >> good morning, allison. if you come to west texas here, you have two sister cities, midland and odessa, a population 300,000. the major metropolitan areas are el paso, which is 300 miles to the west and 300 miles to the east is ft. worth and dallas. here in this community, over ten miles, from where that initial traffic stop happened yesterday, at 3:13 local time, in which two deputies attempted to pull over a gold honda. that's when this gunman began firing at those deputies. one of the individuals were shot. the hospital notes that that officer is in stable condition.

there were two other officers, two other deputies that were shot and also in stable condition. but there's very much unknown about the victims and those who have died at this time. there's 21 that are injured, 7 that are in critical condition at this time, 5 that are dead. we know one individual among those dead is a high school student here at odessa high school. the school district confirmed to nbc news. among those injured is a 17-year-old who was airlifted to lubbock medical center. money has been raised for the care of the 17-month-old. there's a lot of question marks, from the point at which the initial traffic stop happened, off of the i-20 there. and over the course of two hours, there's very much unknown. die yos here in midland and odessa. over the course of those two hours, the gunman, from what

authorities tell us at this time, the gunman was shooting randomly at people. shooting more than 30 people. that led to the site here, synergy movie theater. you'll see as the sun rises on this sunday morning, after the gunman ultimately fled his own honda and took over and hijacked a u.s. postal service van. that service van arrived to this movie theater maparking lot. a and slammed into a police vehicle. that's where police officers engaged on the scene here and ultimately killed the gunman. there is cell phone video from the scene, in which there's children, parents on the ground, people were fleeing from the mov movie theater for two hours. it was chaos in this metropolitan area. >> a lot of people have to be

shaking their heads and saying why? how did it happen? it started to be a routine traffic stop. how did this escalate out of control? any word on what may have sparked this? >> this individual, this gunman, was a white male in his mid-30s. there's a press conference that will be happening at 9:30 eastern time. we should have a better understanding, potentially of the motives. also, the status of those who were injured. the names of those, hopefully, who were killed. there was a reunification center six miles down the road. there's folks and family members and friends, trying to get an understanding. there's little known on this sunday morning. >> vaughn hillyard in odessa. we shift to hans nichols on the white house lawn. how is the white house reacting

to this shooting? >> the president hinted he will be heading back from camp david and going to fema headquarters. that was the plan to weigh in on the hurricane. we'll see if the president says something about this shooting and gives us an update on where he stands vis-a-vis background checks. remember when we had the most recent mass shooting, the president suggested he would be for background check s. congress is about to come back into session. here's what the president put out on twitter. just briefed by attorney general barr about the shootings in texas. fbi and law enforcement is fully engaged. more to follow. there's a predictable routine how the white house responds to these events. we will likely see him later

this afternoon back here in washington, for an update on the hurricane and what he might be doing potentially on gun violence in this country. >> i realize that lawmakers aren't back for five or six days, but have we heard reaction there? >> we heard of the democratic presidential candidates seize upon this and weigh in. the people you want to listen to and listen for, pat toomey from pennsylvania and see if they have an opportunity to see if this is required. >> thank you both so much. appreciate it. we're going to turn to hurricane dorian. the storm was upgraded to a category 5. it is about to hit the abaco islands with devastating winds and looking to land in the bahamas. it's about 225 miles east of west palm beach, florida, right now. and warnings have been issued for central florida. later in the week, the storm is

due to hit the carolinas. >> the eye of the storm continues to make its way through across the island. we are seeing the outer ban eer with the center of the eye. we have the hurricane warnings currently in place. the storm surge is going to be vital with this area here. we're talking about a surge of 10 to 15 feet. in the next hour or so, this will be devastating for that island. we have the national hurricane center, the latest update on this storm system. what is going to happen, it's out of the west at eight miles per hour. when you make a turn, you have to slow down. that's what this storm system is going to do. i expect the pace to be two to three miles per hour here. as it shifts, it will be well

offshore. but the hurricane-force windzs. the storm surge going to be an issue for a south florida. a cat 3 as we go into wednesday afternoon, with 115-mile-per-hour winds. look at the direction here. just measured this out. this is about a 60-mile to 70-mile difference here in the latest update. so, staying well offshore from south carolina to north carolina. the flooding going to be a very big issue here. most of this is going to stay offshore, with forecasts for the four states. at least five to seven inches. >> we'll check back in with you later in the show. appreciate it. grand bahama and the abaco islands expected to take a direct hit later today. morgan chesky joins us live from nassau. morgan, how are people getting ready? >> they've spent several days getting ready, alison.

it's too late to evacuate. dorian is on the doorstep of the bahamas. it get plus the northern-most islands here. right now, the wind is picking up in that area. the power company has turned off power in abaco last night, to make sure there aren't electric issues, fires, caused by the high winds making their way through. several hundred people evacuated yesterday. and shelters are open in several of the islands. the prime minister of the bah a bahamas saying yesterday, if you're in a low-lying area, please, get out. in nassau, the mood is lighter because they have seen how shifty it can be. they missed puerto rico earlier this week. we're hearing reports that high winds and heavy rain moving into

abaco, already, as many miss dorian's path as it churns for the bahamas. alison. we're turning to hong kong where pro-democracy protesters move to take over the city's airport. hong kong's airport, the third-busiest in the world, has been forced to shut down train service and the roads. prote police responded with rubber bullets and teargas. chris joins us live from hong kong. hey, chris. >> hey, allison. i'm standing on the side of the expressway in hong kong, to show you the latest sign of the demonstrations in their 13th week in hong kong. there's a log jam created by the demonstration at the airport.

and that was intentional on the part of demonstrators. they didn't manage to occupy it and shut down the airport like they did several weeks ago. they did shut down traffic to and from, for several hours. you can see it going on behind me. the streets have been awash with the protesters themselves. one, two, three lanes, in the expressway. being creative, coming up with new ways to tie up law enforcement here in hong kong. >> it's wild. when you look at some of these pictures, we've seen situations where it will be chaos in the airport and things will go completely back to normal. and chaos will erupt again. it's been impossible to predict when and where things might escalate. >> if there's one things to say about the protesters, is that they have serious stamina. we are in 13 weeks now.

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in texas, another mass shooting, with 5 dead and 21 injured in texas. lawmakers are taking to social media overnight to express shock and sympathies. john cornyn writing, we are one with the midland-odessa community. ted cruz says he is heartbroken about the heinous attack. greg abbott writes, we will not allow the lone star state to be overrun by hatred and violence. the candidates from texas shared their feelings. >> i don't know what the motivation is. don't know the firearms that were used or how they acquired

them. but we know this is [ bleep ] up. >> we don't know what happened tonight in midland and odessa. but we do know it is time for politicians to act. >> sweeping, new gun laws will make it easier for places. susan pe susan pearson, and joining us from odessa, texas, msnbc's garrett haake. garrett, we're going to start it with you. bring us the latest from odessa, on a day we have this shooting and new gun laws taking effect. >> hey, alison. we have learned more about the victims in this case, including a high school student from the odessa area, a 17-month-old girl who was injured by shrapnel. we don't know anything about the

suspect himself. police haven't released his name if they know it. it started with a traffic stop. i hate when i hear people describe it as a routine traffic stop. you hear from police officers there is no such thing. that was the case here. he fired his gun out of the back window at officers. and we see this spree 20 miles down the highway, to odessa here. the scene ended in a mail truck. you see the shooting finally ending here where the suspect was killed. as for the political implications, you look at those tweets and the messages from national politicians. i'm left to wonder if any of those are written from scratch or whether the world el paso just replaced odessa-mid lapdla a lot of these. nothing has changed politically since the shooting in el paso.

there's been no new tro posals from any of our leaders in the government. in the state government, they have been discussing gun violence. they haven't made a recommendation so far. you mentioned the new gun laws. these are things that were signed before el paso. in the state of texas this morning, it is easier to carry a concealed weapon in places like a church, a parking lot of a school. if you're evacuating your home, texas has some of the most open gun laws in the country. they are more open today than yesterday. the political implications, because discussion has done nothing here in texas. but there's a commission to study this in the lone star state. >> he is heartbreoken by the

heynesha heinous attacks. is it time to get something done? >> lawmakers, when they come back from recess, led by mitch mcconnell, they are going to take up some type of legislation. what that is, we don't know. there's been some consensus we make around red flag laws. and that would provide grant funding for states to better look at and how to work in step with the federal level, to try to close loopholes, for tech tech technical infrastructure. the big tech companies were at the white house the other week. they had a meeting about information sharing. information sharing on social media platforms, facebook, google, instagram, to see and identify information sharing

between the public and the private sector to see how they can better track folks who might be more likely to commit the heinous crimes. >> you mentioned on the federal level. i want to play a piece from the president. his first decision on background checks and then stepping it back a little bit. >> i don't want guns in the hands of a lunatic or a maniac. i think proper background checks would prevent that. >> i don't want to take away people's second amendment rights. i don't want to take away the constitution. we can't let that slope go so easy. talking about background checks. let's take everybody's gun away. people need weapons, unfortunately, for protection. >> a lot of people say that was the president talking and he got a call from the nra and was talking a lot like the nra. >> of course he was. of course he was.

he is running a base strategy for his re-election campaign. he views the nra as a key part of that strategy, for funding and outreach. what should be surprising to all of us is this talk about background checks and everything. it's the guns. we need to stop these weapons from being out on the street. this is a long rifle. we don't know much about the type of rifle it is. the semiautomatic weapon that kills people in war does not need to be in the hands of anybody. and one more thing to get around is more of way of consensus. there are civil rights behind it. more officers do not go on the beat with a clip more than 20 bullets in it.

>> we're talking about the nra, the importance of the nra, and a lot of people thinking, they're a mess. they're not tied in with the democrats. the only person they really have, is the nra weakening here? >> if you can't go after the nra now, given they are in complete dysfunction, when are you going to do it? they can take thoughts and prayers and shove them. what we need as susan and kevin were saying, are new laws. think about the odessa shooting this way, the man was stopped because he had an illegal turn f signal on his car. that is the violation. not the gun in his car. we need to change the laws so having the weapon is the actual point where law enforcement can start to stop these people.

all these talks about background checks, and information sharings, it's putting a band-aid on a bullet wound. we are trying to work around, what the second amendment says. we're trying to work around this idea of the second amendment, when what we need to be working around, is the very real fact that other countries in the world do not have this problem because they don't have the guns. >> we're allowed to protect our property and our person. but we're not allowed to put a land mine on the front yard. why should you be allowed to have a semiautomatic weapon? if you want to see an organization. don't look at just the nra. go to the board members. hold them accountable. start an ad campaign against them and their businesses, and see what happens to them then.

>> we look at the politics that looks artificial. another horrific mass shooting. he needs suburbs. he needs suburban women in particular. i agree with what you're saying. but deeply unpopular in the suburbs. this, politically, i think, if you look at the last midterm elections, and how there was that suburban push to the left, the president has to make that appeal. that's where the nra is even more -- >> we have to hold it right there. thank you, garrity. stay with us for a moment. stay with msnbc this morning. former texas congressman and 2020 contender, beto o'rourke, is going to join joy reed. and coming up on our show, bracing for the worst. the latest own dorian, as governors declare states of

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gura. dorian is heading right for the abaco islands. the residents are waiting for a direct hit and have been without power since last night. models show that dorian will stay off of the coast as it goes northward. janessa webb knows more about that. she will explain. >> this storm system continues to move here. it has intensified, with sust n sustained winds of 160 miles per hour. this is going to be a direct hit for the northern tip of abaco island here. the eye of the storm will move through that area. we're seeing movement out of the west at 8 miles per hour. there's going to be a complete slow down of the system, throughout the duration of this event. it's been very slow. but i'm talking about two to three miles per hour here, in the next 24/36 hours. this is our model data that we look at here. most of them in agreement, that

we're talking about, a potential ocean storm here. the main one, the hurricane center, has it coming onshore for florida, around jacksonville. our cone of uncertainty, this is 8:00 a.m. this is a major hurricane. we're not going to see a direct landfall of the eye, the outer bands are really going to be substantial here. going to feel it for low-lying areas of miami. west palm and flooding is an issue. carolinas, you're not on the map for a direct bull's-eye here. allison, we're going to be talking about this storm system, by friday. >> oh, my gosh. >> this is going to carry on. janessa webb, thank you so much. meanwhile in florida, warnings have been issued for parts of the state. it may include metro orlando and including walt disney world on a

holiday weekend. we go to melbourne, florida. what's the latest there? >> reporter: i'm about 60 miles southeast of orlando. we just heard from our meteorologi meteorologist, this is a storm system, a monster category 5, that is moving so slow here. people are holding their breath. i think the cover of a local paper sums it up best. what will dorian end up doing? that's the question on everyone's minds here. here in bravard county, public schools are closed until tuesday. they may keep it later. the one consist tempt thient th inconsistency. we spoke to one couple about how they are preparing. let's listen. >> our streets will flood and you're stuck in for that. a lot of the neighborhoods have lakes in the backyards, which

are normal. but with all of the rainwater draining into them, people that normally don't get flooding get flooding. it's hairy right now. >> reporter: that body of water behind me, alison, that's the intercoastal waterway. the motion is a little further that way. authorities tell me that the water levels are pretty high right now. you can expect when the storm system comes, you're going to get the flooding. putting businesses and homes here at risk. >> we can see the ripples and hear the wind. imagine it will only get much worse and stay safe. supreme court justice, ruth bader ginsburg after a health scare a few weeks ago. she spoke with nina totenburg in d.c., she is on her way to

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he gets out and starts shooting at us. my husband saw him start shooting at us. and we got on to the median. we saw him coming closer. i was looking in a mirror, looking back. and i could see him loading up a gun. it looked like a long, black gun that i saw. and i saw my husband. we needed to get off the interstate. my husband got on the right side of the median. we got off and turned back on the service road turning back from midland. he shot at us again when he passed us. thankfully he didn't hit us or anything. >> this is "up." i'm alison morris in for david

gura. and odessa, texas, reeling from yesterday's mass shooting. one of the eyewitnesses to that shooting barely missed being struck by the shooter. we reached out to her this morning and she has been gracious enough to join us now now. how are you doing today? >> well, i'm pretty much a hot mess. >> with good reason. >> i'm emotional. could you just run us through what you experienced yesterday? >> i thought running a little errand with my husband and my grandson. we were stopped at a light. as the light turned green, we were -- there were two cars in front of me. we started to roll forward.

and we heard what turned out to be shots. they were sounds and didn't make sense. i asked my husband if the car in front of us had backfired or something. they were odd, out of place. i looked to my left, i was driving, and the man -- he was in the gold sedan at the time. >> okay. >> he -- i looked over my shoulder, and he was there. he was pointing his gun at our vehicle, at my window. and i mean, he was so close to me. i could see him. i freaked out, obviously. there's a guy, he has a gun. and it set in what those sounds

were. i'm sure the first set of whatever happened were aimed at us. then, i just started honking. and swerving to one side to get around the two cars in front of us. i don't know if my honking, may have startled the person in front of me. she moved to the right and i shot through the gap between those two cars. right as i did that, there were three more shots fired. i believe they were fired at us. there was no purchase. he had just come off i-20. and i believe he was running, obviously, the situation he had with the officer on i-20. it was right at that time. we didn't know about that.

and we thought it was a road rage thing. as i axccelerated between the to cars, he followed me and was pulling up, again, to the side of the back panel of my car. i saw him in the mirror, i was speeding. i was driving extremely fast, away from him. and my only thought was, i had to get away from him. i thought it was just road rage. i didn't understand it at the time. i was looking for any way to get away from that man, that car. and i turned into -- i came to another stoplight. i was not going to stop at the stoplight. i turned into a neighborhood that i knew would get me back -- it wouldn't dead end and it would get me away from him.

>> did you see police as you were driving on the road? i know it was happening so quickly. but did you hear any sirens trying to get through the two cars ahead of you? >> no. it wasn't until we went through the light, up and over, down the other side. and we saw a policeman that was traveling southbound the opposite direction from us. he was traveling. and i believe he was responding to the officer on i-20. he was going the opposite direction. have to tell you, this guy was crazy. his face was not right. his eyes were not right.

>> i know you feel like a hot mess. you described herself as just speeding and honking yesterday. it sounds like you showed composure and quick thinking when that was happening. many of our viewers have never experienced something that traumatic. can you describe for a moment what it feels like when you realize you're in that kind of danger and what takes over. is it adrenaline? what happened to you at that moment? >> for me, that fight or flight thing, that they talk about in psycholo psychology. in situations where i feel like i'm threatened, i suppose, i have extreme clarity. i whonking and swerving, i knew what i had to do in that moment. and then, after i got home,

after i was safe and asked my grandson, away from him, then i broke down. reliving it in my mind and seeing the person in something, i was a target. i was his target for that moment. i lived. >> i know you said you had your grandson in the car. how old is your grandson? he's 2. >> he was probably thinking, look at grandma go. >> i don't know. i don't -- i mean, clearly, probably felt that there was something wrong. he was just very calm. he sat there very quietly. he stopped babbling. my husband kept looking and checking on him because we were so worried that the first shots had come from behind.

i mean, we didn't know. and then the side. it was crazy. my thoughts were all about, not me getting away, but me getting my grandson away from that man. i was -- i was terrified. it sounded like while you were terrified, you had very, very clear thinking. your grandson, experienced that calm coming from you. you're thinking, wow, what is grandma doing driving that fast? i know it's a tough thing to talk about today. and i can't thank you enough for sharing your experience with us. and i'm glad you're all right. >> thank you so much. i'm very, very lucky today. >> you are, indeed. thank you so much. we appreciate your time. some really powerful and

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goods are facing a 15% tax right now. they are causing concern among retailers and consumers over price hikes. the president has refuted analysts' concerns. tweeting just a moment ago. tariffs will not affect consumers that much. it gives importers a discount. this was the latest in the back and forth in china. another one is coming in december. that will impact about 99% of all imports from china. meanwhile, china has responded with retaliatory tariffs on u.s. goods, targeting factories and farms. trade talks should resume in washington this month. joining us now is ron insana. can the president continue to say that china is picking up the bill for the tariffs? >> he never could.

that's never been the case. american businesses absorb the cost, pay the treasury, and ultimately the costs will be borne by consumers as the price of goods with tariffs on them will go up in stores. the president is quoting one of the worst economists in my life. peter and i argued on many occasions on this. and i don't know why he picked some of these people to quote. but it is what it is. >> jpmorgan said this could cost the average u.s. household $1,000. >> for a year. >> i should say that, over the course of a year. the tariffs went into effect at midnight. it can go over the course of $1,000. when do people see this in the things they're buying? >> for most consumers, labor day sales are on, and a big 20%, 30% off. auto dealerships are having sales. there's an advantage there. the president delayed tariffs on

electronics and phones and things like that, until december 15th. people don't get hit right before the christmas shopping season. it will cost more than $2,000 per family, which is four-times the benefit they got from the tax cut. >> we're talking all sorts of goods. clothes. things that people are buying right now. best buy, macy's, home depot, american eagle, abercrombie. these are going to be a problem for us. >> and the retail federation has argued with the president, this is going to hurt retail. it's being disrupted by the amazon effect. if you're not an retailer, you're having difficulty making a case for while you're in business. having prices go up at a time when most other prices are going down, is not helpful to your business case. >> in terms of the trade war,

potentially contributing to a recession. we're not going in a good direction here. >> global economic slow down. we talked about this with kendis. nine major economies are in or near recession, including germany, which will go into recession this quarter. that has a negative feedback for the united states. the longer this persists, the higher the risk we'll see a global recession. that includes, if not a real recession, but a growth recession. we're growing well below trend, nowhere near the 3% or better than the president wants. and maybe less than 20% of this goes on. >> putting a lot of pressure on the september trade talks? >> on the september trade talks. their policies, and interesting rates are going around the world. not in panic mode. but everybody is looking for ways to stimulate. >> ron insana. thank you to my panel. thank you so much for joining us. coming up at 9:00, another

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welcome back to "up." i alison morris, in for david gura. a gunman opened fire on police

and civilians after being pulled over for a traffic stop on the interstate. he sped away, hijacking a mail truck, shooting at residents, drivers and shoppers in the area. witnesses describe the horrific scene. >> the vehicle behind us was about 500 feet. and there were two or three guns sticking out of the window. we lean the seat all the way back and we ran inside. >> go down to underneath my seat. still trying to drive. i didn't know if i was going to get there or not. >> the rampage ended when the shooter slammed that truck into a police car. bystanders were able to take

cover from the bullets. >> is he shooting that man or baby there? >> the shooting happens with the a gunman killed 22 at a local walmart. the odessa police department will hold a press conference at 10:30 eastern time that we will bring to you live on msnbc. right now, vaughn hillyard is on the ground in odessa, texas. vaughn, what can you tell us from there today? >> reporter: good morning, alison. we should be finding out, across odessa and midland, the names of the individuals. we have five dead here this sunday morning. we have 21 injured, 7 in critical condition. one injured is a 17-month-old.

her name is anderson davis. she was flown to lubbock medical center. her family drove to meet her at the medical center. her family saying the young girl, she had the schapp nehrap went through her chest. she is 1 of 21 injured. we know one deceased is a student of decembe odessa high . this is a major metropolitan area in this part of the city. you have a population between these sister cities of 280,000 people. the nearest city of el paso, 300 miles to the west. dallas-ft. worth, 300 miles to the east. lubbock, this is a tight-knit community. and what unfolded, at 3:13 p.m. locally was on the i-20, when two deputies attempted to pull

over a gold honda. that's when this gunman began firing at that squad car. one of the officers was shot and injured. the hospital tells nbc news, that individual, that officer is in stable condition. two other officers are among the injured, as well. ultimately, what unfolded is over the course of two hours, the greatest community not knowing where the shooter was going, shooting more than 30 people. that led to this parking lot over here. that's where the gun battle took place. the gunman was killed. people fled from this movie theater. people on the ground, on their stomachs, as this was unfolding. two hours yesterday, where there was much unknown. this morning, we hope to learn more about the victims and those injured. there's a press conference an hour and a half now with authorities.

>> we'll get more on the press conference. all we know, alison, this was a white male in his 30s. we know from officials that an ar-15 was the weapon this gunman used. we hope to know more. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. we want to bring in hans nichols at the white house, to hear what the president is saying about this today. >> the president is hearing that we may be hearing from him. he will come back to washington, d.c. in three or four hours. he had a scheduled visit to fema headquarters. that was about hurricane preparation and a hurricane update. he is at camp david. this is what the president put out on twitter.

briefed by attorney general barr, law enforcement is fully engaged. more to follow. as long prepares to come back, what sort of effects will have this have on the debate. some sort of background checks and he had conversations with the nra and appears to walk back on that. the question is the president's rhetoric, does he endorse background checks? and what will he say is different from the previous shootings that we already had. >> hans nichols, thanks so much. we're going to turn to hurricane dorian. that storm is recently upgraded to a category 5 strength. a direct hit expected on the bahamas in a few hours. check out the images from space that show the massive storm, more than 100 miles in length, bringing sustained winds of 156 miles per hour.

dorian will likely remain offshore, hugging the coast. tropical storm mornings will be iss issued the storm is expected to impact georgia. a lot of people in the path of the storm. janessa, those folks are prepping for a hit soon. >> this is going over the northern bahamas right now. we're seeing sustained winds 160 miles per hour, with the hurricane warnings in place in that area. you're going to see the outer bands right now. they're seeing the outer bands of the storm system. this is not the tight knit winds we're going to be seeing. gusts up to 60, 70 miles per hour. the outer eye is where we're

going to see the heavier band of rain, even the winds picking up higher than that. so, we're about an hour to two hours away, before that direct hit, that you're going to see that calm after the storm and behind that. the winds will pick up once again. the movement right now, is still west at eight miles per hour. as it goes through the island, you think it would lose some force. but the bahamas, the elevation is very low here. it's not going to lose two much momentum here, but going to be in place here for at least the next four to five hours across the northern tips of the island. the wind shear is going to pick up heerp in the next two hours as it makes its way across the northern bahamas. the high tide cycle is at 4:15

nor the bahamas. and we're forecasting a storm surge of 10 to 15 feet. you put those two together, and this will be a devastating event for the bahamas. >> janessa, thank you very much. the bahamas expected to take a direct hit in a few hours. morgan chesky joins us live from the island of nassau. have you seen the conditions changing there in the last hour or so? >> we noticed the marked change here. keep in mind, we are south, where the frunt brunt of the st expected to hit. it's too late to get out. and people are forced to hunker down and weather the storm with the sustained 160 miles per hour

winds. it's because of the power the storm is bringing that the president of the bahamas encouraged everyone to get out of the low-lying areas. we know ten shelters are open on the it. you have 70,000 people in dorian's path. 20,000 homes stand to get damaged by this. when you look at the elevation of both of the islands, you have to have concern because of the storm surge, ranging from 10 to 15 feet, in the hardest-hit areas. here in nassau, we're seeing waves up to the top of the beach already and dorian hasn't made its way in yet. it being a category 5, with concern in the bahamas, when people have friends and family

in nassau, and are seeing the first evidence of it right now as we speak. alison? >> a lot of concerns for folks there. stay safe and thanks for being with us. fresh reaction from the nation's leader this morning on another deadly gun rampage, as. s and congress move ahead with new measures on gun control. we'll be right back. from the couldn't be prouders

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welcome back, everyone. i'm alison morris, in for david

gura. a community is reeling after 5 dead and 21 injured. word from officials will be at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. senator ted cruz tweeting that he is heartbroken by the heinous attack. john cornyn writing, we are one with the midland-odessa community. and greg abbott says i want to remind all texans thought to allow the lone star state to be overrun by hatred and violence. the shock waves are also felt on the 2020 campaign trail. >> don't know the firearms that are used or how to acquire them. but we know this is [ bleep ] up. >> we don't know the details of what happened tonight, in midland and odessa. it is time for politicians to act. >> the shootings in texas, sweeping new gun laws going into

effect in the state. those gun laws make it easier to carry guns in public places, including schools and churches. we have danny cevallos, and rashad robinson, president of color of change. also with us. odess odessa, texas. sweeping, new, gun laws, carry in places like foster homes and on schools, taking effect today. >> these are laws that passed in the middle of june. and the nra's top lobbyist in texas, were quoted as the most successful session of a legendive body that she can remember.

all being signed. not among them are things that we see in our polling that are popular. no background check bills, no red flag bills, no bump stock bills. what you saw in texas was the state making it easier to store a gun in your car. making it easier for foster parents in a home. and making it -- changing the restrictions here, so a landlord cannot prevent renters from keeping it on the property they own. all this going into effect today. the governor of texas has set up a commission to discuss possible reforms to make texasen e texan from gun violence. these are not up for discussion. >>garrett, thank you. i want to take it to our panel. the new gun laws were in the

works before the shootings. still, you have to ask the question, how are we at that stage and not yet talking about stricter gun laws in a state like that? rashad, i'm going to start with you. >> i mean -- >> i'm almost at a loss. >> the gun industry, through its vehicle, the nra, has bought and paid for politicians. and they have created a political narrative, on whether it's true or not, that you cannot go up against the nra as a republican and survive. that there's all sorts of insider talk about whether or not the republican of the rnc is strong enough to do the type of turnout necessary. the nra is seen by many as a vehicle. this is about political power. the political power has set up a framework where there will be people that enable these types of shootings. they will give thoughts and prayers but no action. words and no action. over and over again. the question is, for the other

side, politically and strategically, is what are we doing to break ahold of all of the other forces that need our side. need us. what are we doing to ensure those enablers get our money or resources or support? whether it's walmart or credit card companies that align with the nra. any institution that aligns with them, we have to create a climate where they pay and suffer for it, as well. that's the only way we will create the deeper understanding in this country that there will be consequences for this type of thing. and we weaken the power of the nra and weaken their hold over political leaders. >> danny, garrett mentioned this was a timing issue, had this happened today. we know, as well, because of hurricane dorian, the house panel is cancelling plans to come back early and take up gun

bills. they have other items they have to deal with immediately. are we getting killed by timing here? or are these just excuses? >> we're getting killed by the fact there's no such thing as legislation that will completely eliminate tragedies like this. there's legislations that will induce them. incentivize them. the red flag laws are effective in preventing suicides, which is correlated with mass shootings. you can't have an expected number of mass shoots. but you can have an expected number of suicides in a year. the ultimate challenge is that there is no legislation that will completely eliminate these. the lawsuits against money manufacturers will be a law preventing them. just from the other side in a moment, it would be challenging to create a civil theory of

liability for a gun manufacturer. guns are designed to kill. federal legislation preventing civil lawsuits against gun manufacturers is a product of the gun lobby. but it's also a challenge to hold them liable for a weapon that works as it's supposed to work. >> i think ro shad's point of political power, and advocating that, if it's red flag laws or laws that prevent people from suing gun manufacturers, it sets up this facade that the nra or the gun lobby is more powerful and has more of a right to have laws on the books than the american people who want this comprehensive analysis and laws of gun reform in our gun. right? to say we know that most americans agree with having comprehensive background checks. we know most americans, if

they're gun owners or not, because gun owners want this, right, the high-powered weapons on the street and the ability to have those on the street. there are things that we want, in the american people. some who are gun owners or some not, that we are not putting forward because of this perception of power from the nra. >> and money and politics, quickly, money and politics, sets up the terms of debate. and the reason we're having debate about red flag laws and not something more progressive, that's what people think we can get. that's what people think that is the best we can get. a problem in the political power, a problem with who is making the decisions, we open up the whole new range of what's possible. years before, people thought it was impossible, and they thought you wouldn't. and you have things set up

around tobacco. we can change the rules but we have to have political power to do it. >> gun legislation only affects those who follow laws, those who follow the legislation. take the simplest example, why don't we outlaw all firearms tomorrow. it doesn't present a constitutional problem, which it does. >> traffic laws won't make us safer. >> it would make us safer, if we could and we cannot, outlaw all firearms. however, it would 100% prevent -- >> also making that argument and even the argument that's made now, is everybody wants to take everybody's guns, that's creating the false atmosphere, and people want to take everybody's guns.

that's not what we're talking about. that's never what we're talking about. we're talking about having safe strategies and laws on the books to further prevent it from happening. living in new york, i understand the difference of that, you can go to another state and get guns and bring them and traffic them in other states. there's legislation that we can do to retus duce it. but we don't have to create an atmosphere, either we take everybody's guns or not. >> i want to thank garrett haake for us in odessa. we'll be back with our panel in a little while. stay with msnbc, for this story. at 10:00 a.m. eastern, 2020 contenders, beto o'rourke and julian castro will join joy reed. and after the break, the bahamas, after hurricane dorian. we'll speak about how best to prepare for a monster storm as it makes its way toward the mainland u.s.

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welcome back to "up." i'm alison morris in for david gura. hurricane dorian is tracking towards the bahamas.

we're expecting a hit there later this afternoon. and hurricane force winds and heavy rainfall to georgia and the carolinas. residents in those areas are preparing for what's to come. >> these things can change their path. and it can miss us completely or pummel us. i don't know. i'm just going to be prepared, you know, either way. >> i prepared for this by having my medication. cat food, dog food, and cash, because banks will be closed. and they will be out of power. you cannot get money out of the bank. you have to have cash. >> the national hurricane center indicating in its latest update that florida falls within the cone of uncertainty. folks not out of the woods just yet. how are people doing there? >> people are holding their breath. i spoke with an official from

b b bravard county here. the low-lying areas like melbourne, florida, that are vulnerable to the monster of a storm. the ocean is on the other side. when you're looking at a storm, that can dump up to ten inches of rain on these places. also, cocoa beach, merritt island, india harbor. all these are barrier islands here that are vulnerable to these weather systems. now, people here, you can see, a beautiful day. it's kind of, literally, the calm before the storm. i spoke to one gentleman who was taking advantage of this beautiful day, to actually go out fishing. and i didn't know this, alison. the warm weather brings more fish out. he was taking his boat out when we caught up with him. and this is how he is waiting for the storm.

i feel more comfortable with the track the storm is taking now. >> especially because it's a low-moving storm. how are you preparing for next week? >> we have the house boarded and everything moved inside. we will take a few hours and get a good fish before it hits. >> reporter: do you think people are putting their guard down because the storm is so unpredictable? >> hard to say. everyone ran around here getting gas and everything. hopefully most people prepared. our neighborhood is boarded up and ready to go. the front page of the paper here says that dorian should be compared with matthew in 2016. i was in melbourne, florida. it's a storm that should not be taken lightly. up to 4,400 florida national guard troops have been deployed

in the sunshine state at the moment. alison? >> we thank you. for the only light moment in the news today, it is a good day for fishing. we will take it. thank you so much. >> thank you, allison. joining us is erwin r redlenner. we have seen so many people telling stories of how they are trying to get ready for the storms, things they are trying to do. how do you effectively prepare for something like this? it seems like you can make mistakes. >> the general recommendations are three days of food and water. with a hurricane like this, we're talking seven days of supplies. and other things to remember, one is, if you have valuable papers, you need to know where they are, in case you need to evacuate. you need gas in your car.

and you need to make sure you make provisions for babies, diapers and so on. medications, if you're on cranikora chronic medications. those details matter quite a bit. and people should leave when they're told to leave. idea of sitting it out, a bad idea, and if you're going to be in harm's way. right now, we have 25 million americans, who might be hit by this storm. we just don't know yet. of course, the bahamas are going to get really, really battered. there's a lot to think about. but making these preparedness efforts early is going to be great. two other things to mention. one is, they're very, very dangerous things in harm's way besides people. >> we've been talking so much about the people. there's other item thags s thatd to be aware of. >> 178 hazardous waste sites are potentially in harm's way. eight nuclear power plants. we don't know how this would fare if the storm hits as a

category 4 or 5. we're talking about serious items out there. hundreds of hospitals and nursing homes. we want to make sure all those are safe. and presumibly the local, state and fema federal officials, make sure those are plans in place, to make sure that people and facilities are as safe as possible. >> you stress, sticking around is not a good idea, especially if you live in range of something like that. the bravado of i'm going to wait it out, not a good idea. in is a monster storm coming. >> you bring up a great point. if your house was on fire, what would you run out with? these are all things that may

get left and you may never see them if the house goes. >> those items need to be collected and ready to go if you're going to leave. the memorabilia, that are irreplaceable, old photographs and those things. the important papers and mementos and supplies. and medications for people who need them every day. >> get your people, get your pills, get your pets and papers and get out. >> get out. >> dr. irwin redlener, we appreciate your expertise. the dnc ruling 2020 contenders calling an affront to democracy. why some are not worried about iowa's first in the nation caucus. introducing a razor that works differently. the gillette skinguard. designed with a guard between the blades

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welcome back to "up." i'm alison morris sitting in for david gura. the iowa caucuses are some of the main events on the election calendar. in an effort to increase successability and turnout, iowans can turn out by phone. but the state's hit a roadblock. the democratic national committee. with us is amomora barrett. what's the latest on the virtual caucuses? >> good morning, alison. this morning, i'm at a labor day

picnic. on friday, they got the news there's a bit of a shakeup in terms of the iowa caucuses. the telecaucus is threatened because the dnc recommended to reject their proposal. the iowa democratic party has been working on this for months. the dnc mandated they needed to have an option because they hold a caucus. they need to open up accessibility for voters to vote early. and the iowa caucus is something that takes place on a monday night. it ee's a several hours' long process. and people don't have the luxury to be able to come in person. they have late-night shifts at work. they have child care issues. or people that are disabled don't have the accessibility option to go caucus in person. this telecaucus option was going to be key for more voters to take part in democracy. several candidates came out after the dnc's announcement, worried this might affect this

voter turnout. we spoke with troy price on friday. he told us he had spoken to the dnc chair, tom perez, who assured them they would be first and iowa would be a caucus. and iowans take their first in the nation status seriously. they are in compliance with the dnc's new rules. >> i'm going to start with you. this is an issue we have talked about time and time again in our country, giving people access to vote. a monday, in february, seven hours. come on. >> yeah. i'm always in favor of increasing opportunity for people to participate in the elections process. that's the difficulty with something like a caucus, where it was designed as this event for you to come out and participate. but it definitely, the format of itself prohibits other people from participating. i do know that among democrats, in particular, there is a push

to push them to a primary system, which would be more inclusi inclusive. the difficulty here, is waiting in terms of creating the process or pushing back on the state. it makes it difficult for the state and the leadership to create a process and move forward that would enfranchise people. >> i see you nodding your head here. pro-caucus? anti-caucus? what's your thoughts on this? >> inclusion is important. accessibility was important. a telephone conference? is that 2020? >> good point. >> hit me up on my pager. this seems like a fix i can go to the apple store and this can be resolved by facetime or something else. the essence of a caucus is. hey, steve, we're moving to the other side of the room. >> it's rank voting. you call in and you rank the candidates and then, they had, you know, a process in terms of

how to calculate from there. it's not even like the people are consistently participating. >> can't you d.m. on this one? >> i think all of this speaks to a party that says they are deeply invested in every voice being heard. a party that actually needs as many people to turn out, just from a numbers perspective to actually win, not putting all of the things in place necessary to do that. and i feel sorry that they're in this place right now. but unfortunately, this is a problem of their own making. right now, i do think that the kind of -- all the decisions on the table, seem deeply inadequate right now. and they don't get us to the type of way that makes sure that all of our voices are heard. and we don't end up in a situation where we get a nominee that isn't -- we get people eliminated that shouldn't be eliminated. >> thanks so much. thanks to our 2020 campaign embed, maura barrett. the bahamas has been without power since last night. it's bearing down for the wrath

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welcome back to "up." i'm alison for david gura.

hurricane dorian is upgraded to a category 5 storm in the latest hours. janessa webb is in the center. >> sustained winds have increased dra mmatically. now, 175 miles per hour. as it nears the bahamas. the west movement at 8 miles per hour. i want to look at the radar here. we're going to see the outer bands of this eye, rocky bay to central abaco. right now, experiencing the outer eye bands here. wind gusts will continue to pick up here. we're going to see this copious amount of rain here. the forecast has dramatically changed here in the last 10 to 15 minutes, potentially up to 20 inches of rain, going to be falling in the northern bahamas. the storm surge is going to be a huge issue right now. we're seeing the waves starting to pick up due to the hurricane-force winds. but the high tide does not come

in until about 4:00 here. you add that on to a storm surge of about 10 to 15 feet here. this is going to be mass destruction for the bahamas here. after it goes across the bahamas, it starts to lose force. but watching that situation very closely. alison? >> janessa, thanks so much. in the last hour, i talked to shanna saxon, who witnessed the shooting in odessa, texas. she told us how she managed to escape as the gunman was pointing his gun directly at her. listen to this. >> he was pointing his gun at our vehicle, my window. and i mean, he was so close to me. >> yeah. >> so, he -- i freaked out, obviously. he's got a gun. and it set in what those sounds were. and we were the last car.

i'm sure those first set of whatever happened, were aimed at us. and then, i just started honking, just, like crazy. and swerving to and swerving to one side just to get around two cars that were in front of us. and i think my honking i don't know if i startled the person in front of me and he moved a little bit through the right and i shot through the gap between those two cars and right as i did that, there were three more shots fired. and i believe they were fired at us. >> absolutely terrifying. the panel is back with me now. and you listen to that. i want to have you react a bit to beto o'rourke on cnn. li listen in. >> we're averaging about 300 mass shootings a year. no other country comes close, so, yes, this is [ bleep ] up. and we don't call it out for what it is if we don't speak

clearly, act decisively, then we will continue to have this kind of bloodshed in america. >> danny, ware hearing bet oo'rourke over the last couple of days let's be frank, dropping f-bombs he's so upset what's going on. we've talked about some of the legal issues here. what as a nation do we do? >> we have on one side the constitutional right to have farms but who'd ever anticipate we'd be dealing with this level of crises. andologist as a criminal defense attorney far more often i see the danger of handguns. handguns are every bit as deadly if not statistically more deadly than rifles and semiautomatic weapons you'ded in these mass shootings. the challenge is finding legislation that disincentivizes using guns in crimes and also seeks to reduce if not eliminate these mass shootings.

maybe someday we'll have the technology to put in firearms to being used for unlawful purposes but as of today it's a real challenge. >> how about the language we heard beto o'rourke using today? does that move the needle for anyone, get things going? >> ongates a shock value we can talk about on cable news shows but i'm more interested in the pain and language that parents are using to talk about the need for comprehensive gun reform. not only in terms of mass shootings because as we know that's the small percentage of the issue but on issues of suicide, on issues in cities and communities. so there is a comprehensive plan that needs oo to be done and certainly using the mass shootings as an opportunity to talk about how we do this collectively. and the problem is the access to these types of weapons, and to

your point not only the high powered weapons that people use to commit these shootings but also handguns and other things that are trafficked throughout the country. >> qua, i mean the world is going to look 5, 10, 15 years from now will determine what we do. the rash of these shootings are only going up and the debate is only becoming more distracted. the fact of the matter is the second amendment was put in place to protect and lean oz those most in power corporate gun owners and corporate manufacturers to make us more unsafe so they can make more profits. the only thing that will disrupt that is people power, us rising up and forcing those in power to recognize that they either do what we want them to do or we

will kick them out of office. thoughts and prayers are no longer enough. and, you know, whether beto o'rourke uses curse words or not, yen how interested in that i am, but if it does get us talking, if it does get more people realizing they have to do something, then fine. but at the end of the day, we have to disrupt what has happened with money and politics in this country and who gets to control what happens in our communities. >> i'd like ask quickly go around on this one. but congress is back 6th and 7th. we know they've had to hold marking unthe gun bill a little bit because of the hurricane. >> long answer, maybe focus more on these red flag laws. they seem to be statistically effective at least in early studies. i don't know we're going to get a quick fix anytime soon. >> mitch mcconnell and donald trump are fine with all these

children getting shot up as long as it's not they're children. >> when we talk about second amendment is this like the blessing of our constitution also being our curse, that it is open to interpretation and that's just left us with a lot of different understandings about what it means to carry? >> the second amendment is unique. because first it's very rarely even been addressed by the supreme court and even when it is addressed it leaves a lot of open questions. the language is very confusing. add that to an entire country that would have different interpretations of the same text of the second amendment. it's vexed us for a long time and will continue to do so. >> and also one of the amendments for people who are so strict conitutistitutionallist,

this one, no, we're not going to have the actual context or anything like that. so people can pick and choose on what's best for them on what power they want to maintain. >> we've got to leave it there, guys. thank you guys so much for being here this morning. coming up at the top of the hour reacting to tragedy. beto o'rourke and julian castro join joy reid on this latest mass shooting.

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up. "am joy" with joy reid starts right now. i looked over my shoulder and he was there. and he was pointing a gun at our vehicle and my window and i mean he was so close to me i could see him as i accelerated between the two cars. he followed me and he was pulling out again to the side of the back panel of my car. and when i saw him in the mirror i just -- i just was speeding. i was driving extremely fast away from him, and my only thought was i had to get away from him. and this is not right, his eyes were not right. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." the state of texas is