you? >> yes. >> reporter: these days, monica is making new memories at the bingo parlor. remember how skittish she was around ashlea's girlfriends at first? around ashley's girlfriends at first, no longer. now they're family. >> go and get our nails done, they say your dirty is so pretty. she never corrects them. as far as she's concerned, she gained several daughters. >> and when they're all together, ashley is there too. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales, thanks for watching. good morning, everyone, i'm meteorologist janessa webb.

we have a powerful cat 5 sitting across the grand bahama right now. what's happening is this storm system is about to stall out across that area here. we're seeing sustained winds of 165 miles per hour. that has reduced here in the last 24 hours, but this is just an unfortunate situation for the freeport area. the backside of this storm system getting hit with a heavier band. the next 36 hours, this storm system will not veer to the right. we are waiting for our next update here. this is about 20 miles now from the coast of florida, so watching it very closely, even for south carolina to north carolina, by thursday afternoon. we're still seeing sustained winds of 100 miles per hour. we're going to keep you updated throughout the morning.

welcome back to this special edition of kasie dc. alongside me, tracking hurricane dorian, bill karins. we have a team of reporters in the east coast and in the bahamas. a brand new update. you have it. what's the latest? >> it's just an intensity and position update. for the first time in days, hurricane dorian is no longer intensifying. they left the winds alone. max at 185. we measured the pressure of these storms, and the pressure has been rising ever so slowly. what we have here is the eye, the hurricane hunters flying through the center of this. they drop the drop sounds into the center of the storm, out of the airplane, it measures the pressure at the surface and found that rose 5 milliliters.

eventually as the pressure rises, the winds will come down. it's going to be a three or four day process watching this slowly tick down. it is peaking, since the pressure is up, it would be surprising if it goes back down. it doesn't matter, it's well past category 5 status and had a horrible blow. now we're watching grand bahama island, western eye wall is heading on shore, and this is a 3-hour loop. in three hours, it travels from the eastern eye wall goes from here to here. i mean, it's like 15 miles. i mean, how painful is that. now, the storm itself, another view of it shows you how close it's getting to the florida coastline. and now some of these outer showers and bands and thunderstorms are starting to get towards the florida coast. nbc's gabe gutierrez is live. gabe, is that what you're

seeing. >> that is exactly what we're seeing. just a few minutes ago, i was standing on the beach and things seemed to be just fine. all of a sudden, this big rain band started pounding as we had the sea cover and try to keep our equipment dry. it was kind of impressive. we have been here on the florida coast. as this massive storm batters the bahamas, we have been seeing mandatory evacuations in certain low lying communities along the florida coast. martin county, they had delayed mandatory evacuations. it got underway at 1:00 p.m. this afternoon. more evacuations tomorrow just to the north in brevard county. businesses have been boarding up along the florida coast. as you have been reporting, all it takes is a shift in the storm to cause heavy damage here. we're already again starting to see some of this initial rain from hurricane dorian slam into florida coast right now. >> gabe, have you been talking to some of the people on the

beaches and what's the feel. what's the mood there? >> well, i'll tell you what, a category 5 designation gets a lot of people's attention. several days ago they went to bed thinking this was going to be a huge, catastrophic, at least a category 4 storm. you'll remember of course that the track had it going right through south florida. it was a sigh of relief when it tracked north and east. that was yesterday when we were speaking to residents here. overnight, there was that unpredictability really, and the sense that now with such a powerful storm, category 5 designation, that all it takes is just a little jog to the west, even a little bit, and can heavily impact many communities. here in stewart, florida, we were next to onlookers, at the choppy beach. hard to see because it's so dark. i was just out there. we were going to show you the choppy surf. things got dicey here so quickly.

one of the rain bands took us by surprise. had to come up here just before air. we can see drenched in water right now. we expect this to get much worse, deteriorating conditions for tomorrow, as hurricane dorian begins to scrape the florida coast. >> gabe gutierrez in stewart, florida, we'll be checking in with him a lot in the next couple of days. and that western eye wall will be closest to gabe and the stewart area as we go throughout tuesday. that will be the close st call. the forecast path, look at the new one coming at 11:00 p.m. it didn't change much. most of our major computer m models have it just offshore. 30, 40 miles off the coast if you follow that center line. we have at least two of our hurricane specific models that even as far as this afternoon t making landfall over the kennedy space center. that's why this cone of uncertainty still includes all of the coastal communities from west palm beach northward.

there's still a very good chance we're going to get the hurricane conditions on the coast. let me show you one of those computer lines. the yellow line, you can see the other one right here, actually two of these. these are the two i was talking about. majority off the coast, and then these two have refused to budge back against the other one. either these are going to start going back towards the coast, which would be a horrible trend or these are going to finally get in line with the other ones. as you have been hearing about all the evacuation orders going out, over a million plus. you can't take a chance, likely a category 4 as we go through tuesday just off the florida coast. now let's go to nbc's morgan chesky in the bahamas. >> reporter: the worst of dorian may have made its way through the area but we are feeling significant rain in the outer bands. the main concern, all of the people who are trapped on the

island of avaco, where the winds made their way through, bringing 20 feet of storm surge with it and causing immeasurable damage. we are seeing some of the first glimpses of it there, and it is simply heart wrenching to know there are rescue efforts to nmae sure people are still alive in the hardest hit areas. we have to turn to grand bahamas, where dorian is headed next. home to 50,000 people. dozens of shelters are open. people are taking advantage of them, having seen what it's capable of in avaco. we don't know how long they're going to have to maintain shelter because of dorian being a slow moving storm. it's a high level of uneasiness, as it tears through the bahamas, leaving incredible damage behind. >> all the pictures we have been showing were taking either when the storm was approaching areas

of the northern bahamas, or the extreme damage was in the eye of the storm. those people had only gone through half of the storm. we have yet to see what the pictures like look towards the second half of the storm after the back went through, which is typically sometimes the strongest part of the storm. don't think that the pictures you're seeing now really tell the story. it will probably be two times as bad, if not worse. all of our friends from the georgia coastline through south carolina, north carolina, virginia beach area, it would only be ignored if it's a category 2 hurricane or a category 1. makes people have to stay in their homes with their kids. power could go out. flooding issues. hurricane center has all of eastern north carolina, south carolina, sliver here of portions of southern virginia and also the georgia coastline in the cone of uncertainty. notice that it does weaken. category 3 parallel to jacksonville, a 2 to a 1. those areas have been hit by the

storms before. they're not fun. as far as some of the winds go, the possibility of the high risk of the strong winds, coastal areas of florida and the carolinas and georgia. we could extend further, if we see the forecast does get closer than that. the rainfall, if it's along the coast, the rainy side are offshore to the east and to the north. if we have any potential problems from any heavy rainfall and flooding, i'd mostly be concerned with the sounds, the fear river region here, that's what we're going to have to watch as far as rainfall goes. the biggest issues appear to be the rough surf, wave, storm surge possibilities and wind. now let's go to nbc in popular beach, florida. >> reporter: it's a little windy behind us. we are expecting rain bands from dorian later this evening.

most notably what we have seen is how dead it has been on the beach. a lack of tourism. people just not coming to the beach to partake in one of the biggest summer holidays of the year. they were almost sold down. they are down to 30 rooms that are opened and that is a significant indicator that visitors and residents alike are both heeding the warnings that nasty weather is on the way, and of course this is making a huge impact on the florida economy as tourism is so important in this area. >> jamie, are you hearing about anything else being cancelled. i hear stories about schools being cancelled up the coastline of florida. how about your area. >> in broward and dade, school is cancelled tomorrow because of a holiday, but now also cancelled on tuesday, and several universities have cancelled classes on tuesday as well. we should point out that some of the tolls in florida have been

suspended. >> smart moves in preparation just in case the storm does anything unpredicted. we'd have to move a lot of people in a hurry. thank you so much jamie. one last thing as far as the maps go. tomorrow the story, freeport, that's the area that's going to be hit by the category 5 winds. today, the island that was hit, great avaco, and our thoughts are with them tonight and all day tomorrow. they'll be in the heart of one of the strongest storms we have seen in 84 years near the u.s. east coast. >> i second that thought. thank you very much for that, bill. appreciate you being on top of this storm. joining me now, former fema administrator, a senior adviser for blue dot strategies. thank you for taking a few minutes. bill karins was just taking us through it. all that uncertainty that exists where exactly that storm is going to hit. we have been talking about this

for days now. from the standpoint of fema, trying to muster some kind of response for this, to be prepared for contingencies, how do you handle that uncertainty. >> fema has had folks in florida, they've got foelks in georgia, north carolina, south carolina. the way they approach this is they assume the worse case. they didn't just immediately shut down florida and move north. they have resources in florida. they are moving resources to other states. the real focus is on the evacuations. go back to this error of uncertainty. in 2004, hurricane charlie, everybody thought it was going to tampa. it hit punta gorda south. people were surprised. they were in a hurricane warned areas. the hurricane warnings are the things people should be focussing on. less about the cone of the track. if you're in those evacuation zones, you're in a warrant area. that means the possibility can occur, and you can't discount that this storm may wobble a

little bit, may get a little bit closer. may come ashore. that would all be in the forecast probabilities. >> yeah, you mentioned just one of the challenges, it always seems in these situations is convincing folks, maybe in an evacuation zone in a hurricane warning area, whatever it is, convincing them, if need be, to leave. >> yeah, we saw this in 2004. people that were south down in, you know, fort myers and those areas. they said the hurricane is going to tampa. we're in a warn area, and it's not going to impact us. they did get impacted. that's the whole thing about the hurricane warnings. the area identified that has the greatest risk of possibly getting hurricane conditions in 24 hours or less. and that's where the decision making takes place for these local officials, not where the storm cone looks but where are the warnings up and how much time does it take people to get out of there. gentle, people have time. this is one advantage of a slow

moving storm but they should not keep waiting for an update on the forecast to see if it's making its turn because if it doesn't, they're going to run out of time, and it will be too late. >> you are as familiar as anybody could be with how fema runs, how fema operates. a little bit has been made of the fact that fema right now has an acting director. there are a lot of acting folks in the trump administration. does that make a difference in a moment like this, acting vs fully appoint sed. >> no, during government transitions between presidents, we appoint a person to act as -- the acting administer has all the authority under the law as the confirmed, senate confirmed administrator, so there's no lack of authority. and in a response, this is really not an issue. i know a lot of the folks are

acting interim are the career civil service folks that are notary public not topnotch. i have no concerns about the confidence of the fema leadership team. the focus i think is that's kind of a distraction. let's focus on the impacts to the communities, the evacuation, and what the public needs to be doing. fema is going to be able to support the states. craig fugate, thank you very much for taking a few minutes. we appreciate that. and there is a lot more to come tonight including the other big story we are all following of course, that is another mass shooting. this time in west texas. congressman ro khanna, talking about the speaker nancy pelosi to bring all colleagues back to do something about goun violenc. the president has a way about talking of category 5 storms. >> category 5, i don't know that i have ever heard the term.

>> i have never seen a category like this because it came in really at a 5. it's a category 5. i never knew a category 5 existed. a category 5 storm, which literally never happens. it actually touched down as a category 5. people have never even seen that. a category 5, nobody has heard of a 5 hitting land. category 5 hurricane. category 5. never heard about category 5s before. category 5 is big stuff.

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stop. police say the gunman opened fire on the trooper who pulled him over. the gunman then drove off shooting multiple people before stealing a postal service van. the rampage ended in a shootout near a movie theater where the gunman was killed and police confirmed today that the shooter used an ar type rifle. the shooting has renewed calls from democratic lawmakers to change gun laws. democratic congressman ro khanna is urging nancy pelosi to call congress back from recess early. congressman ro khanna joins me from washington. thank you for taking a few minutes. i keep hearing this refrain in the last 24 hours. i think we have heard it after a lot of other shootings, do something. those two words, do something. you want congress to come back early. what specifically do you want congress to do about this? >> well, steve, first let me just say, people are shaken and scared around this country. let's just recount the facts. yesterday, a mass shooting, 7

dead, a 17-month-old toddler shot in the face. two days before that, in friday, in alabama, a mass shooting at a high school football game were ten people were injured, and it's just been five weeks since we had the mass shooting near my district in gilroy, since we had a shooting after that in el paso, and then in dayton. when i talk to people back home, here's what they say. all of you, you are too timid, you're being too cautious, you don't get the urgency. be bold. we're sick of the politics, get something done, and we can do something. speaker pelosi should call back the congress tomorrow. it's labor day. let congress actually work on labor day, and don't let us out. let's have a vote on the assault weapons ban. let's have a vote on banning high capacity magazines. let's vote on every single gun violence bill and stay in the chamber until the votes are done. >> you mention the idea of being bold, not being cautious.

we talked about this earlier, beto o'rourke, your former colleague there, presidential candidate, we say this was an ar 15 type weapon used in odessa. take every ar 15, every ak 47 and make them subject to a mandatory buy back. what do you think of that idea? >> i think what we ought to do is have an assault weapons ban, and we are on bills that would have a voluntary buy back. the first thing we need is a ban on the assault weapons, and we haven't had a vote. for one year, we haven't had a vote on the actual ban. we know this works. how do we know, president clinton had it in 1994 and mass shootings were done. they have gone up 170% since the ban expired. my view is let's have all of this gun violence legislation for a vote, and force every member to vote up or down on every piece of legislation. >> there is the question, democrats of course control the house. you're the majority party there. if you choose, you could have

votes on it and pass a lot of what you're talking about. republicans control the senate. do you think anything is going to change in terms of the republican senate's willingness to consider and potentially support any of this? >> we can't sit back and say let's not do anything, let's just wait for the senate. the people in the country gave us the majority for a reason, to try to bring change, get something done. we have to show we are willing to do everything in our power, and i think if we had a dramatic moment, if the speaker said we're not going to let anyone out until we're voting on this legislation. the media would cover that 24/7 and it would put an enormous amount of pressure on the senate. i have such admiration when speaker pelosi stood on the house floor to speak up for the dreamers. we need something, there is palpable frustration, and they think congress is paralyzed and we've got to reassure them that

we get it, and we're going to give it everything we have. i don't think people sense we're doing that yet. >> i note here the house judiciary committee, democrats who run that, did have in mind something similar to what you're talking about. they planned to come back early. they had had hearings scheduled a meeting scheduled for this coming wednesday. they just announced, i think, in the last two days, they're going to have to postpone that just because of this hurricane, and wait until september 9th. just logistically, does the hurricane that we're talking about so much tonight hinder what you're calling for? >> steve, two things, one, of course members were affected by the hurricane in florida or north carolina. they don't have to come. let's call congress in session tomorrow. begin the debates and postpone the vote to allow members to come. seconds with due respect, we don't need more hearings in the judiciary committee. i don't think there's a person in this country who thinks that we need more hearings and debate

about what an assault weapons ban should look like. we know what the bills have looked like. these bills have been written. what we need is more urgency and more courage. i would bring the bills up for a vote, straight on the house, you can do that, the judiciary committee could wave their jurisdiction, have every member of congress debate it, and this coming week, let's have votes on ten different pieces of gun legislation. let's know where every single member stands on every piece of legislation so that the public can decide. >> and have you heard from, had any contact with speaker pelosi, any democratic leadership and their staff on this? >> i sent speaker pelosi a text and i have been in communication with people on her staff. i think this is a moment where she could really answer the nation's call, speak to people's anger, frustration, people are scared. they don't understand what's happening to our country. i mean, this is not supposed to happen in the united states of america, and public officials, this is why you get into public office. we need to do something, and we

need to assure people that we are going to act. >> and just quickly here what do you think of the politics here. again, unfortunately these mass casualty situations have been, if not common, they have been a regular occurrence over the last couple of decades, i remember after sandy hook 2012, there was a push back then for background checks. it failed in the senate. there was talk, polling certainly suggested the public was all on board with background checks. there was talk that there would be ramifications at the ballot box for anybody against that. there weren't, nobody who stopped in 2013 was defeated in 2014. do you think the politics have changed at all since then? >> i do. you have mike turner, the congressperson who was affected by dayton who has come out in an assault weapons ban, the governor of ohio, mike dewine who has come out for some gun violence laws. i think the politics are changing. unfortunately they're changing often in communities that have faced these mass shootings and we shouldn't have more of these

mass shootings before we get the politics to change. i do believe there is something about leadership, and it's not enough for us just to tweet something out or to say we're for it or to say we passed a background check, and say we're going to wait for the senate. we need to show people this is a high priority, that we're going to fight for it, that we're not going to stop talking about @. >> congressman ro khanna, thank you for taking a few minutes. >> thank you, steve. when we come back, we're going to get an update from the national hurricane center as hurricane dorian churns. kasie dc back after this. - the tech industry is supposed to be a leader in invention and progress. but only 11% of its executives are women, and the quit rate is twice as high for them. here's a hack:

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modern history. knocked over power lines, flooded homes, sunday afternoon. forecasters say it will move toward florida late monday. we have new details about the mass shooting in texas that left 7 dead and 22 oers injurth injured. the incident did not appear to be an act of dmomestic or international terror. the incident happened after police turned over the suspect in a traffic stop. he drove off shooting multiple people before stealing a usps van. sunday they confirmed he used an ar style rifle until the attack. now back to kasie dc. welcome back, we continue to keep a close eye on hurricane dorian tonight. when it hit great abaco island earlier today. maximum sustained winds were 185 miles per hour, gusts at 220. that tied the atlantic landfall

hurricane record set for the labor day storm in 1935. deputy director of the national hurricane center joins me from highway, ed rappaport. do you expect any surprises, any tweaks? >> no, no surprise expected from the next advisory but certainly it's a terrible night and has been a terrible day in the northwest bahamas. you have seen some of the images there, unofficial reports of potentially large loss of life, and that's what we have feared. unfortunately, the catastrophic conditioned in the abaco, and grand island area are continue to continue. still category 5 conditions into the day tomorrow. and unfortunately a prolonged period of activity of really intense weather and storm surge, up to 20 feet. it's also going to delay any kind of recovery and relief that the area is going to get. >> and most of our global computer models have the path very similar to what you guys

have. i know you don't like to focus on the center line. two of our hurricane specific models do actually take this towards and make landfall near the kennedy space center. is there any reason for that. are you guys looking at that. is that why you have the cone on the east coast? >> that's right. there are still a number of possibilities. the forecast track, east coast of florida and here's the storm, about 150 miles offshore from the east coast. very slow motion. as you said, we have a forecast now that takes it just off the coast. of course that's close enough to the coast. that means that the winds, which you can see extend out here could very well clip the coast south, the southern part of the peninsula, tropical storm conditions, and hurricane conditions farther north, i want to show you one more graphic. the greatest killer for the hurricanes is the storm surge. this is where we have a storm surge warning from the national weather service, south of palm beach.

that's really what the storm remaining offshore, doesn't come any closer. we don't get higher values. that's what's causing the loss of life r, so unfortunate now. and that's our fear for the florida east coast, with the center remaining offshore, to have a life threatening storm surgery along the east coast. >> from everyone at msnbc we thank you and your staff for the tireless work you have done so far, and i know what you're going to be doing the next four to five days, put your lives on hold to give us the best information and warnings. thank you, we appreciate it. as we continue to go through the next four days, along with the hurricane center, we have to continue to monitor all the way up the coast. it won't be until the storm gets past the outer banks that we say we're done with dorian, and all indications it could be a hurricane the entire time. again, tonight into tomorrow, just more destruction, on top of more destruction throughout the freeport area and grand bahama island as the storm leaves march

harbor, it is almost over the top of the free port area for 24 straight hours. we'll finally see that drift north. when you wake up tomorrow morning, i'm watching free port, the storm is just north of freeport. if it's over freeport or west of freeport, then we're on this side ft o cone. the whole -- side of the cone. the whole key, once it takes that northwards turn, we want that to be as early as possible. then it would be on this side of the cone, farther away from the florida coastline. that's going to be the million dollar question. just how close does it get to the east coast, and when i was talking to ed there, some of our computers do take it landfall here into areas of eastern florida. we'll wait and see how this plays out. once again, for our friends northwards, we have a chance of a major hurricane near jacksonville, the brunswick area

to sa vvannah, and that's nothi to sneeze at, a number of commercial airlines are waiving cancellati cancellation fees. and airports are closely monitoring the hurricane, as they decide whether stay open orlando international airport is open tomorrow. lind linden pindling. steve kornacki is back with me, and more kasie dc is back in a moment.

for a breeief moment this wk it looked like joe biden's lead over the rest of the democratic field had evaporated. remember this, there was a monmouth poll released last month, and boy did it make a splash. it showed joe biden trailing elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. a series of other polls showed him maintaining the lead. monmouth came out and conceded his polling was an outlier. biden does at least for now appear to be holding on to his front runner status despite a series of potential self-inflicted wounds on the campaign trail. he was forced to defend his story about a trip to a war zone that "the washington post" reports was riddled with inaccuracies, and at one point seemed to undercut his claim i have to say i'm not talking to like 20 somethings, african-americans. mostly middle aged people who are professionals, working voters, they come back to biden. there's a lot of stability. you have to think about the fact that people of color in this administration, this is really challenging. they have been feeling this straight up, as we say in spanish, on their own skin and so for them, it becomes a pragmatic decision. >> is it electability? >> i think there's a whole issue of electability that was kind of at the top, and it's being met now with we like what he's doing, we like what he's saying. we like what we see.

we like the humanity, and we're exhausted. i think there's that, we're just exhausted and we want to see somebody who we think can take him on. you know, is he their favorite, favorite, favorite, candidate, syst some of them say yes. others say he's my guy. >> it's interesting is, noah, i don't want to draw a direct comparison, the first campaign in 1977, a question of plagiarism. it turned out he had been on the campaign trail inflating his academic resume. you had this fact check from the "washington post" this week that brought back some members of that, i think. i wonder in the atmosphere of 2019, in the donald trump atmosphere versus the atmosphere of '87 or '97, anytime before now, does it play differently? >> invariably, unfortunately for my conservative friends and i tend to agree with them, we should look at these as isolated events which are very disturbing, potentially damming

but certainly something no one should defend. this is mendacity and service to somebody's ego. that's unpalatable, and donald trump's existence renders that argument moot. you can't make a moral equivalency. it is frustrating to us who think we should apply the standards universally. i think it won't matter for joe biden, it won't affect him unless it becomes something that appears to be trumpesque. >> what other way of looking at this i think, this particular an epidem -- anecdote. ronald reagan, told this tear jerker of a story at a congressional medal of honor ceremony about this plane that was going down in world war ii and the tail gunner was pinned and wasn't going to make it out, and everybody was parachuting and the pilot looked as he was about to jump out, and he said

we'll ride this down together. congressional medal f of honor. turned out no congressional medal of honor had been awarded. reagan got away with that kind of thing because people thought the story had a good intent bli behind it. >> he also didn't have to run in this environment of social media, 24 hour reporting, you know, 24 hour news cycle. let's not forget this story from biden was from a reporter who basically went through everything and fact checked the story. the issue and the reason i don't want to compare it to ronald reagan and nor do i want to compare it to donald trump because i don't think it's the trump thing that's worth comparing. he's running in a primary. and what i have seen from his campaign, whether it's not knowing how to handle the hug story, which i don't think was a problem, to this, which in itself i don't think is a problem, but throw in a few bad debates, throw in that this isn't the first or second or third time that we have had this

in this campaign cycle. there's a cumulative effect this is taking on joe biden, and the fact that his numbers don't grow and yet we see room for a surging candidate, like elizabeth warren, that's what should concern the campaign. its operating as if it can go through. i get it. if i'm in, that's their only strategy they have to offer, it doesn't mean other people who are running against him aren't going to try and win their primary. you're not comparing it to donald trump. you're comparing it to maybe five or six others. >> and why that matters and that puts him on defense, it's a fascinating moment. a member of joe biden's campaign staff on msnbc, addressing the central weakness of his competitors in the progressive left is his support is composed primarily of affluent educated whites and nobody can win this nomination on the democratic side without the support of african-american voters we have

that u you do not. that's ve >> you know, i think because i also did some reporting about this, there is something very different in terms of intent. and so when joe biden makes these kind of gaffes, i don't think any of us who are watching politics like to see that because it's just like, oh, my god, you know, you're just like, you kind of put your head down, but for other people, i'm not sure that it's playing that way, and i think that's why the numbers, you're right, there hasn't been a lot of growth but there's a kind of, a stability there, and i said this before. they kind of see like, oh, that's grandpa joe, that's grandpa joe. >> but if you're at 28%, and that wi that field starts to narrow. >> i want to ask the three of you quickly, if it's not going to be biden, who do you think is best positioned to supplant him? >> it depends. right now it looks like

elizabeth warren. she has momentum. she has been growing her campaign consistently. unlike biden or sanders, she didn't think she was owed a thing. she didn't have a base to start with. she's grown it. that's not to say if biden took a fall that there wouldn't be a more moderate person, room for someone else to fill that space. we're going to see a change in voter turnout. you're not going to need the same numbers you needed in 2016 as you do in 2020 because 2018 told us that. >> sort of warren, what would you say? >> it's a mooted issue until bernie sanders and elizabeth warren sort of ditch this line they have been sharing which is we're not going after the same pool of voters. we have different voters. it is a weird conceit. >> warren, sanders, whoever wins that weird battle that's not really a battle. >> i actually think it's biden. i think it's biden and so the question for me is who's his vp, who's going to be the vp. who's going to bring a

tremendous amount of energy. it's not like i'm saying this. it's just what i'm getting from the ground and now it's like, okay, who's going to be the second. >> you think it's a very strong 29%. >> i do. i actually do just from the ground, what i'm feeling and biden himself says this. it's not like everybody is loving him. >> you don't have to like him. >> we can see this. we can see it. we can see a match up and, so again, who's the vp, who's going to bring that dinism. thank you very much for being with us. more kasie dc after a short break.

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skaggs rocked the baseball community in early july and now a medical examiner says skaggs died with oxycodone, fentanyl and alcohol in his system. skaggs family now one of so many across the u.s. searching for answers as retained a lawyer to investigate how skaggs came into the possession of those drugs. that news came during a week in which johnson & johnson was ordered to pay $572 million to the state of oklahoma for their role in that state's opioid crisis. oklahoma judge thad balkman ruled the company intentionally played down the risk of opioids. and purdue pharmaceuticals is offering between 10 and $12 billion to settle more than 2,000 lawsuits linked to the opioid crisis across the country. purdue pharma and its owners, the sackler family have dienied the all those lawsuits. when we return, what to watch

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