force there for some time. now, the taliban would be required to cut ties with al qaida and other terrorist groups. and crucially, the taliban would have to start peace talks with the afghan government, which currently it does not recognize. these are the major developments that could be the beginning of the end of america's longest war, one that's been overseen by three presidents so far. but the deal is also a controversial one, with a lot of big questions about enforcement and of course, simply trusting the taliban. thanks to jonathan lemire johnny walsh has served as the state department's lead adviser on the afghanistan peace process. he is now a senior expert on afghanistan at the united states and alicia. institute of peace. mr. walsh, welcome to the show. >> thank you for having me. >> most of all if you are in the path of the storm, please stay >> okay. just let's do, who are the safe. taliban? and why is it that we have chuck todd with "meet the press" never -- some people here starts now. immediately enemy, and some people here, who are these people? >> if it is tuesday, hurricane why are we talking with them? >> so they emerged out of the dorian is heading towards the u.s. after slamming the bahamas. civil war that ravaged afghanistan in the 1990s. tracking the devastation and the they quickly beat all the other

connection between strong storms militias and established a and climate change. really nasty hyperconservative plus america's largest retailer emirate for about five years. takes aim at ammo sale. during that time, al qaeda took whether debate makes a move on gun laws. sanctuary in afghanistan, al qaeda perpetrated 9/11. the democrats newest plan to the taliban were overthrown by that, and in the years after investigate president trump. that, they came back as an insurgency. >> what are they now? welcome to tuesday, it is "meet are they still the sameultra-co the press" daily on this first unofficial d ideological ideologically? >> i think they've evolved a official day of fall. lot? >> is this a governing entity that we're negotiating with or are we just negotiating with an organized gang? good eveningevening. >> it's much more than an organized gang. they're a huge military organization, they're also, they 24 devastating hours over the govern a lot of territory in bahamas as a category five storm afghanistan and they would like to have at least some major role in governing the country. topping out at 185 miles, tieing they're very political a record for atlantic hurricane. organization. they have diplomats. they have media outlets. you are looking at some of the they're quite different from first footage just at msnbc of isis, if we were to line up all of the groups in the world --

>> right, but we didn't -- this some of the intense devastation country -- i hate to say it, but our political leaders, it's pretty clear if you spend time at the bahamas. in it they're different from all at least five people have been these other groups, but our political leaders over the last 20 years have lumped them all in. killed. half of all dwellings were which may confuse people as to why we're negotiating with them. damaged or destroyed on abaco >> yeah, i mean, it depends on who you're talking about here. but there's a much better prospect of doing a deal with a group like this than some other and bahamas. the united states, at least a groups out there. i think that they see that there's a real possibility of a million people are under evacuation order from florida up to the carolinas where the storm tr"true bloodtrue bloodbath if could make landfall by the end of the week. we said could because this has been a difficult storm to predict. let's go to our own collapses. and they're not sure they can meteorologist, bill karen. just pull out. >> taliban? >> yeah. >> the proposition is whether they cane achieve enough of their objectives through a peace agreement that it's worth it to them to void this very, very take it away. violent alternate future. >> that's what we expect of the and i don't pretend to know the answer to that, but it really strongest storm to make has to be tested at a diplomatic negotiation. >> it seems to be -- this is one landfall. of those cases where nobody when we started the landfall and likes what the u.s. role might be. went over the top of grand the cia doesn't like the role

that's being negotiated for bahamas where it sat there for them. about 24 hours and slowly some military leaders don't like the role that's being drifted apart. let me get you update from the negotiated, frankly. obviously, some members of congress. new advisory. what's your assessment of what this is going to look like? i think it is enough time and >> first of all, virtually nobody in the united states further up to the north that thinks we should be in they can get some help to these afghanistan forever. and yet, to just pull out people during the day today. entirely with total disregard for the consequences could really be horrible. major terrorism problem, dark and desolate evening. humanitarian tragedy, and would probably bring us back in. so, trying a peace agreement, a sitting in the same spot for plausible, but difficult peace agreement is a much for the that long did take its toll and path. and i think that the agencies did weaken it. you mentioned agree on that. we are thankful for that but not >> what would our force look like there? for what happened tchlt th. >> so it could go down to zero. the idea of this deal is that the storm is behaving. barely any rain band. it's a conditional withdrawal. let me give you the new path it's a quid pro quo. so the u.s. is potentially very forecast. the hurricane center has not changed much. close to agreeing to a timetable where it would draw down, but it it is still about 80 to 100 only actually has to remove miles per hour. the intensity is over the warm those troops if the taliban water and the gulf stream. it is not going to get weaker or meets certain commitments in return. and the most important of those stronger. for our friends along the south is that they negotiate in good carolina coastline and north faith with other afghans.

>> all right. carolina. you have today and tomorrow and i'm curious about some of the afghanistan's neighbors and what they think of these negotiations your prep days to be prepared with the taliban. first of all, what's the for a category two hurricane taliban's relationship with its neighbor, iran? and what's the taliban's landfall. relationship with pakistan? that's a big deal. >> so they've got relationships at one point it is a five, with both of them. that's still enough to do some both of those governments have significant damage. cape cod is going to be safe. given the taliban support over the years. we can still get hit up here. pakistan has given vital support. i think, however, we're at an important moment, where all of the regional players would like to see this deal happen, 50% chance anywhere from myrtle including pakistan. beach and all the way to they've all done things to nudge wilmington and the outer banks. it along. thank you, bill. >> let's turn to the bahamas. >> they don't trust this afghan we saw the strongest impact from government, though? that's why they sort of play hurricane dorian. footsie with the taliban, right? >> it's a very difficult relationship in both directions. our morgan chesky is on the >> i've heard pakistanis accuse, ground. the signal can be shaky every oh, the afghan government, they're in cahoots with the now and then. take it away, morgan. indians. and you're like, what? >> good evening, we are at the there's an indian conspiracy around every corner. airport. this is grounsearch and rescue >> i think pakistan has also realized that an endless war in afghanistan, that continually happening at abac hit when it evicts refugees into pakistan, that spawns extremism, that's not good for them either. >> and they don't like u.s.

troops on their border either, first made sound of four coast right? >> i think they share with all the countries. they're not crazy about u.s. troops on their border. they're afraid of a precipitous guard helicopters going back and drawdown where they just disappear and the country melts down. forth from this area where they >> is it fair to say that they have been able to rescue dozens of people already and bringing them here to nassau where think they'll have troops in afghanistan as a permanent they're loading them up. station? does it look like the dmz? >> i don't think there'll be troops there as a permanent that's ongoing at abaco island. station. i think the best way forward is that we keep them for as long as this peace effort is up in the air. and if there is genuine peace, and we know what that'll look feet of rain there, we have seen in our first few videos coming like when it evolves, we'll know in from there. the airport under water, police how safe it is to go to zero or virtually zero. station are flooded and >> how confident are you in this thousands of people there are having homes that are submerged afghansurviving? and forcing them to try to come >> with u.s. troops still in the out of this. it is going to be a long road country? >> yes. ahead. we did have the prime minister >> i'm very confident. >> that's a big caveat? >> with u.s. troops, they have a flew over some of the hardest fighting chance. it will just be very violent and hit area today. ugly. >> johnny walsh, thank you very much for coming on. back tomorrow with more "meet

even though the bahamas is used the press daily." "the beat" with ari melber starts now. to tropical storm and hurricanes in the past, everyone i have >> thanks to you for joining us. spoken to never seen a hurricane and my thanks to amman mohyeldin like this packing so much power. and chris jansing who was in for me last week. now, we see these horrific t chuck. >> thank you, morgan. images. nearly every building has been the caribbean, i can't remember the bahamas getting hit like flattened to pieces. this. the category 5 hurricane stayed morgan, thank you very much. >> joining me now is someone who over the bahamas for nearly two days. knows a lot about hurricane and it's left at least five dead. dealing with devastation, the after math is our former fema that number is projected to administrator under president rise. as dorian approaches the florida obama. it is good to see you, thank you coast, later tonight bill karins will give you an update with everything you need to know stateside. also, later tonight on "the for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> let's talk about the bahamas beat," we have a report on how donald trump is making you, the here. the bahamas, yes, it is its own american taxpayer, subsidize his hotels. also, new country but i got to assume the resources they need, they don't necessarily have at least the amount of resources they may need to help in this.

what kind of effort will the united states end up make in the bahamas when it is all said and done. >> our disaster assistance, they're on the ground working. i won't be surprise any element of this, coast guards and additional asset there is. the british government maintains a ship in the caribbean just for this purpose. we should be a i believe to do quite a bit. you saw what president obama did in haiti after that earthquake in tsunami. >> you are seeing these pictures. what do you see in these pictures and the devastation, is it more devastating than you expected or sadly what you expected. sadly what i expected. when you have those kinds of winds and tornadic.

very few structureses a are goio come through undamaged. housing and the lack of it and what it is going to take to bring it back is the challenge for both of these islands. i want to talk about the larger picture of these storms. >> i want to put up a new york times graphic from earlier today. it was sort of tracking the number of category four and five hurricanes that we have seen and over the 20 years, we have seen more of them, it is one of those things frankly craig. when i heard the president say you have never seen category five, we actually had quite a few category five in the century and it is something that you did not see as much in the previous century. is there any other explanation other than the water is getting warmer? >> this is the challenge. it is a trend of the increasing frequency and system is slowing

down and stalling out. those are the trends and the climate assessment has been telling us it could happen. we are past the -- imagine the impact we saw in the bahamas over south florida, your hometown. >> craig, mexico beach is never going to be the same. >> that was a smaller storm. i think that's the problem. very few people have recovered. that kind of devastation particularly in these high population areas, how do we recover from something like miami or tampa bay or another katrina and new orleans. >> the theory i had friday morning when you saw one of the,

at the time there was this assumption that this thing was going to stall out for about a day, that forecast, central florida has not dealt with water like that, certainly in the modern era that i think of. what kind of devastation would central florida receive if it had gotten water to be honest? >> you dump two or three feet of water like we saw got dump over houston. think about it going south and st. johns river north and everything in between and how it will disrupt the road system would cause flooding system. so the thing about florida, you can't dump that much water in one part of the state unless you are right on the coast. it affects a lot of states. >> what does mitigation looks like in the state of florida?

>> well, we have to think where or how we are building, obviously the building code has shown that where we do have strong building codes, we see improvements. i don't think we are ready for the rainfall. this is something that we created the water management district after the great hurricanes in the 20s and 30s. with today's population and how many roads we paved over and we are seeing more rain than we have seen before. this is the challenges, as much as people focus on the web. it is the water and associated impact and damages as well as loss of life that we don't have a handle on. >> i don't want to say we crack the code on protecting buildings from wind. it is fair to say that it is the water that we just have not contemplated. >> yeah, everything from building up from the coast right next to water lines to interior

where we built an area where it may not be in the flood insurance. we were talking about events. >> you knsouth beach have never hurricane. it never had a hurricane the way it looks today. >> we don't know how it is going holdup. anyway. craig fugate, you got anything to add there? >> i will say building for our past events is not working. we got to build for the future. that's a hard thing for local and state officials to face. we are seeing it happen at that level. we need the federal government to get on board and understand that just building it back the way it was, only dealing with the past weather event is not making us resilient for climate exchange. >> if you care about that, you can use that as well.

>> craig fugate, thank you for your expertise. >> we'll continue to follow this breaking news of the storm and devastation. on the topic of climate change, msnbc is part of the upcoming two-day climate forum featuring ali velshi. we got new reporting on what the white house says it is on or off the table. the white house says they want to see what congress can pass. the circular debate is next. this was me six years ago... and this is me now! i got liberty mutual. they customized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. then i won the lottery, got hair plugs, and started working out. and so can you!

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welcome back, walmart announced they will no longer sell handgun ammunitions.

the announcement came after two sho deadly shootings. that gunman bought the gun he used from a private seller. private sales does not require a background checks. walma walmart called congress to act. "we encourage our nation's leaders to move forward and strengthen background checks ano have been determined to poese a imminent threat." >> i said it is several weeks ago if the president took a position on the deal, so that we knew we would be making a law and not just having serial loads, i would be happy to put

it on the floor of the a administration and studying what they are preparing to support and anything. i expect to get an answer of that next week. joining me now, our political reporter from "bloomberg news" and michael steel. what's interesting here is the reporting out of the white house that the white house is searching to see what can pass congress. mcconnell is seizing what will the president support. that's usually is a sign of how things are happening. >> mitch mcconnell does not need the president to put anything on the senate. he runs the chambers, he knows that. what he's afraid of is there are a lot of single issue voters who'll perceive any action on guns as a threat to the second

amendment. mitch mcconnell wants the president's political covered because there is a big part of the base that distrust mcconnell tch . the only way to get him to do something is for him to be convinced his own majority is under threat. >> let me read the nra statement. this is what the nra put out today. they have not been speaking much. they did put out a statement in response to walmart. "it is shameful to see walmart succumb to the pressure of the antigun elites." it is worth noting that most of these purchases are gone at gun

stores. this is corporate america making a statement. >> that was a shrill and stupid statement. >> by the nra. >> we are not going to see customers avoidibanning walmart. >> are they desperate for a fight? they need a fight. that's something i am curious. they need a fight for money. >> they are desperate for money because they are bleeding due to litigation and whatever the heck, they need the money and fund raising. what will that do to congress? >> when you are desperate for a fight, you nepick a bad fight. this is a situation where there is as clear argument for the president who's equivocated on this issue who gone back and forth but indicated openness to

some limited effective measure to say clearly and steadily. this is what i think congress should pass and the senate will do that. >> yes, it is pretty clear that the president says he does not believe it. >> he does not believe we need more background check laws. this is the problem. with mental illness and when mitch mcconnell is in this episode with the president, it is hard to blame him because he -- the president used the word steadily. we have not seen the president steadily support anything when it comes to background checks or other gun changes. one quick thing i found fascinating of the walmart thing was not just the stupidity of the nra response was the fact that this and the other thing of climate change that you have business being able to act in a

more enlighten and agile way than the government does to respond to the real fears. >> is this about the dysfunction of the american politics and more and more corporate realized that you can get more action targeting a company that you can politicians. >> they need to step up or react. sometimes they are under siege. >> there was a campaign to get walmart to stop doing this. >> they are under pressure. we see it happening now with walmart and guns and companies willingly raise the minimum wage for political system that forces them or compel them to do that. now they're feeling such a pressure or especially companies that have -- it is a future casg dynamic here and the private sector is doing things on its own. >> it does feel like. you don't know when a movement

goes up, right? >> walmart because of where they are geographically in america. that's why this feels so symbolically important. >> i think if you don't let some -- if you don't release the steam or don't let something happen, eventually this cou could -- this could change as quickly. >> if you don't let out steam then all is gone. >> we could see things that are scary for the people supporting the second amendment if we don't see sensitive reforms. >> the fact the matter is, universal background checks 93%. require a license to purchase a gun, 82%. you can pick a day where we had registration for certain types

of guns and that would pass. these are gigantic numbers that at some point, the republican party will employ on this issue if they don't do this. >> one change we are seeing is politicians who are not long ago running away from the notion raising questions about gun control and gun legislation. that has been transformed. the transformation you are talking about michael and you are suggesting that the republican party could implode on itself because it is a 93% issue. there is a distinct of politics of gun control and gay marriage. in gay marriage, there was not a sense in the country as controversial as the issue was, somebody trying to pry your own

marriage out of your hands. so despite that 93% issue that is much more motivated. i want you to be right but i am not sure that you are. >> on the gun issues that changes, i had republican donors telling me -- african voters. you are seeing the generation that grew up in the mass shooting era since columbine at this point. this is the fact that their daily lives and people who are increasingly disconnected from the hunting tradition, the traditions that support gun ownership. y >> you and i had fire drills and bomb drills. >> that's an important distinction. >> back in 2013 there was a debate of background checks.

my sources at the time believed that -- certain leadership wants a yes on this. the they're going to portray as compromising issues. >> for all we know, donald trump jr. will become the new executive chair on the organization. he's a sort of in some ways becoming the face of s-- >> if it is true that this person got this weapon without a background check, that's very sad. one of the hard things of having a gun control conversation is that there is nothing that will obviously immediately work to stop every shooting but if this is the shooting that may have been stopped if we had universal background checks. that's a very powerful, potentially changing the

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welcome back, we got breaking news out of london as we tease it before the break. it is a bit of a mess, joining me now with the latest of all of this is my colleague in our london bureau, matt bradley, we knew that when this happens, there was a party switch and seizing the agenda, i am hearing snap elections, what do you got? >> there is a lot of chaos here. all of this is a precursor of what's happening. you can call it before the vote. this is a vote to allow parliamentary to seize power to take the agenda from the government. that means they won't be held to

what boris johnson and the government wants to be introducing in the parliament. there is no illusion about this. all they want to do is delay that brexit vote. as i mention to you earlier. that's october 31st. halloween day. halloween day is when britain is barrelling out of the e.u., deal or no deal. the idea is they want to delay it for a couple of months. that's unlikely that the producer will agree to. this has been delayed twice before. this will be the third possible delay. the snap election decision. how would that impact october 31st? >> it probably would not. it would happen in mid october, two weeks before the vote,

before britain is supposed to crash out of the european on october 31st. it would take the rug out of boris johnson and tell all the bre the -- it would be a lame duck administration. that would be the effect. any new parliament able come in which probably the thing is here, chuck, they would not be able to come in until after that brexit deadline on october 31st. they may be able to block any of no deal brexit agreement. it is not entirely clear. all of this again, all of this is hindered on the fact that the british government has no real constitution like the u.s. they're able to interpret. >> still contemplating the fact,

they're going to have their election sometimes the middle of next month if that's the path going down. it is going to be a crazy couple of weeks there. >> it is going to be a rocky road ahead. >> stay tuned. fasten your seat belt. >> i am looking forward to it >> good luck to the residence of the u.k. >> let's turn back to politics. democrats have to figure out where to focus their efforts when congress returns and how their choices can shape the 2020 race. oh, this is just in from sources who were on or familiar with. with the caucus this afternoon that speaker pelosi told members that defense secretary told her the administration plans to dedicate billions of dollars to be used for the wall. that will could be a big focus for democrats. also, on the impeachment front today, the house judicial committee told abc news they

launched a new series of hearings as -- we spoke about the gun issues which looms all over this. what are the democrats' strategy? let's bring michael and ruth, they are back with me. what are they going to do? the judicial committee, the first thing i thought is this. if the white house were negotiating don mcgahn's testimony, allowing it to happen would be see anything of hush money payment. >> probably not. inquiry impeachment happening. >> the white house is stone walling where they are sort of stuck. >> they have been embarrassment

and looking at hush money payment. there is another in query that's going after his tax returns and obviously a major division inside the democratic caucus how aggressively to go after him, the so-called front liners and talk about healthcare and i immigrati immigration. >> staying out of trump property, it highlights the single issue that could unite the entire democratic caucus. >> democrats are criticized you today for staying at trump's property. what is your response to that? >> i understand the political attack from democrats. you will find it is a small place and the opportunity to stay at trump national to accommodate the unique footprint that comes with our security details and other personnel made

it logical. we checked it with the state department and they approved us. >> that was the better statement than his chief of staff basically the president did not say you had to stay through ber you know i own a place there. >> if they have an embarrassment of richeriches, how have they g into a place where they are investigating the president of the united states involvement of hush payments of the playboy model and it is boring. the focus of their investigation and ended up making no progress against the president who has a lot of progress to be made. >> ken dilanian reporting on this, they still believe somehow the hush money payment is an easier story to tell the public.

i heard that two years ago when michael avenatti was on speed dial with way too many democrats, you didn't see that guy coming? he looked like your sort of typical sort of political drifter. >> it strikes me as two different questions for democrats. one was they're doing the right form of oversight. this sort of embarrassment of small board -- >> what are you do i think? >> why, what is it that we don't know about the hush money payment that this could help us understand and why would this be anything to focus on? i think more important for democrats is they need to figure out a way to show voters they can walk and investigate the government at the same time. in other words, they can do oversight but they're also able to try to do things that shows

that they understand what it is real voters really care about in terms of fixing their infrastructure and addressing climate change. it is frustrating, right? anything that they pass is going to die very quick death and mitch mcconnell's senate. they have to figure out a way to convey investigate. they don't know howit. >> in defense of the house democrats on this, how do you breakthrough that? it is difficult. >> one prominent democrat put it to me this way. they envy the way republicans are kind of getting on the same page. democrats want to see data on everything or poll number on everything. >> leaving this idea, part of it goes on the fact that they did

not run on the platform or the agenda. >> some places it was healthcare and other places it was accountability. what have they done on neither? >> there was no pledge to america. >> well, they were running against trump. >> part of the problem, they're running in too many places. >> that's how you build a majority. you need the agenda. this goes back to ruth, tiefind things you know unite people. ripping up taxpayers money to enrich yourself. using taxpayer's dollar. the amount of money, the secret service is being obligated to spend at trump tower alone. >> i understand that is sort of

easy grasp story. >> it should be outrageous. >> i am sorry, all that outrageous that this president has engaged in those sort of low level pocket lining. did he ask mike pence to stay at his property because he's proud of it or because he wanted to get a little bit more in his pocket? it feels kind of low-level to me given the stakes of where we are at. >> i totally agree. the stuff with russia appears to be just - if there is a pattern where he can't resist the financial deal no matter where it comes from, whether the federal government from his hotel or foreign government. that's the pattern here that may be of some interests. >> well, a little bit of a different pattern. he lied to the american people whether he was engaged in conversations and negotiations about trump tower moscow during

the campaign and your involvement with the foreign government, a lot more than whether you are getting a couple extra dollars in the tax returns we'll ever see. there is so much that's outrageous that it is hard to agree. >> they ran in 2018 on the negative agenda on poopposing republicans on healthcare. now there is a presidential primary where candidates disagree on this issue and how far to go. pelosi used her job to put the safest building to unite democrats on the floor. >> what does september look like? >> impeachment inquiry. >> do i still see only two democrats from trump districts?

we are still at two. it is now down at one. it is not the political mandate they were looking for. >> they're going to need to if they are going to go with whoever impeachment inquiry it is. they'll need to put new facts on the table and i have not seen it for a long time. i think we debated for the past year and a half. how far in the 2020 cycles that we could get. are we there? >> i think we are there. >> i will tell you what though. this rewards the stone call strategy. >> barack obama's white house were a bunch of chumps for cooperating with your investigation. >> respecting institutions have not been big for the past couple of years. >> ruth, michael. thank you very mump. >> up ahead, does the trump administration seem ready to go down and why we absolutely must

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