rain starts to come. >> molly hunter from savannah, georgia, enough for being with us. that wraps up the hour for me. be sure to stay with msnbc for all of the latest on hurricane dorian. you're looking live at jacksonville beach in florida where the category 2 storm is bringing whipping winds and rising waters. thank you very much for watching. you will see ali velshi live from south carolina tomorrow afternoon and "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york and we're watching hurricane dorian as it closes in on south carolina on what could become the most dangerous storm day for the u.s. mass evacuations are ordered for south carolina, which is bracing for its worst flooding in decades. we will get a report from al roker in a minute. but it may have been these images of the devastation in the

bahamas to inspire donald trump earlier today to send the u.s. coast guard to provide humanitarian relief to residents there. seven people have been reported dead in the bahamas but that doege toll is expected too rise as aide workers can finally begin the long road to recovery from what the bahamas' prime minister is calling one of the greatest national crises in the country's history. but let us first bring in the news from the white house. "the washington post" just reporting a few minutes ago that on wednesday it appears the white house attempted to retroactively correct a tweet that the president issued over the weekend in which he warned erroneously that alabama would be impacted by hurricane dorian. in a white house video released wednesday, trump displayed a modified national hurricane center cone of uncertainty forecast dated from 11:00 a.m. on august 29th, indicating that alabama would in fact be impacted. the graphic appears to have been altered with a sharpie to indicate a risk the storm would

move into alabama from florida. for more on this, let's turn to some of our favorite reporters and friends. joining us from the top of the hour in washington, white house correspondent annie karni at the table, nbc and msnbc national affairs analyst john heilemann, "l.a. times" reporter eli stokolses, democratic strategist bazell smoky and the attention mentioned al roker is here. al, you flagged this for me and because we had this conversation yesterday in what seemed like an unprecedented correction, i won't call it rebuke, but correction from the national weather service about inaccurate information donald trump put out about alabama. storms are live-and-death situation and any public official who starts talking about where storms will go is messing with people's plans for their own safety. national weather service corrected that and it appears in the oval office there a doctored image.

talk about how dangerous it is to have misinformation about the weather. >> for people that worry about and they see a forecast that shows the cone of uncertainty, shows the path, they're taking it at our word. at the national hurricane center there are dedicated professionals who put that out. zbl >> al, i'm told we can't hear you. we will get you mic'd up. but let's talk about this as in the context of a storm barreling towards the united states. >> we don't know exactly who altered that map but you can tell, it's obvious, somebody altered it. the official map did not include that little black line. >> do we have a picture of that map we can put up? >> using sharpies to annotate news stories with the president's signature all around the west wing and it appears that is what was used to draw on to that map a couple of days as

the president, as you pointed out, wrongly tweeted the storm was heading to alabama. we don't know that the president was the one to do this but we know this is a pretty who is pretty shameless and has a really hard time admitting when he makes a mistake. it's not that hard to fathom in a situation like this where ostensibly you have briefing in the oval office to call reporters in and warn people in the country which direction the country will head as far as prepared for the storm, it's fathomable perfect president was preoccupied with laying down and receiveding himself and saying i was right with the storm possibly going to alabama when obviously he was not right about that. he already went after a reporter on twitter the other day about this. so it's clearly a sensitive subject for him. it seems like a small thing in the context of the other news and enormity of the storm and impact on people. but this is telling about this president. >> it's not a small thing if you

live in florida or alabama and trying to decide to be in town for the first day of school or evacuate with your family. it's not a small thing to take a pen to a graphic that i don't know who made that marking but that hand, let me see the image again, the hand belongs to donald j. trump. in donald j. trump's hand is a doctored image. >> and what's interesting is a photo from the white house that shows the president being briefed on august 29th, the day that was there, and it does not have that added little black line. >> do we have that image before it was altered? >> it's there. but there is an image from the white house showing the president being briefed holding that. i tweeted that out. it's from the white house's website. so there was there and smomewhee between then and now, that mark got added. i don't know who added it, i'm

just saying. >> let me ask you again since you have your mic on, this looks like it will need wings at 30,000 feet, what is the accusation for people living in harm's way? >> we're the disseminators of this information but the hard-working people at the national hurricane center work diligently 24/7 to get the right information out. these are people's lives and their livelihoods. they don't put these things out lightly so it's very important to put the path out and cone of uncertainty because that's why we want the people to be aware of where this thing could go. if you add to that or subtract to that, that is changing the way people can make an informed decision about their life and livelihood. >> give us the real news, accurate information about this storm and who among our viewers needs to be on high alert or

evacuating today. >> it's a wide swath, nicolle. in fact, if we look at the radar right now from the eye of the storm to where you see these rain bands in cape hat other us, that's 400 miles, almost 400 miles. we are seeing very strong activity developing on this outer rim and that will be going back down. you see from jacksonville to daytona, we are looking at this storm that is just churning around. one of the things we have to be worried about, we had a hurricane, tropical storm and tornado warning this morning. we may see more tornadoes from myrtle beach to savannah. these are quick spinning up, short lived but rain wrapped so they're hard to see. so besides everything else going on, we have to worry about tornadoes now as this system moves up. we've got tropical-force winds from wilmington to daytona as this thing spins. the latest from the national hurricane center will get a complete package of updates at

5:00 but 105-mile-per-hour winds moving north-northwest, hurricane warnings stretching north of melbourne to cape hatteras. looking at tropical storm warnings back inland. that give you an idea how powerful it is all the way from jacksonville up to the border of north carolina and virginia and now tropical storm watches for norfolk as well. we will be watching that. this system, the path now brings it past charleston, wilmington, cape hatteras by friday morning and out to sea. the american model and european models are in now, european models give us a landfall somewhere south of wilmington friday morning most likely and again possibly cape hatteras. we have to watch that. we may still have a landfall from this system. here's what we look for as far as the effects. jacksonville today 30 to 60-mile-per-hour winds, three to five foot storm surge. tros cap force winds extending

out from 175 miles to the center, 50-mile-per-hour wind gusts tomorrow, eight to 15 inches of rainfall, plus the storm surge. friday norfolk to wilmington 5r55 to 85-mile-per-hour winds. and we talked about the storm surge, six to nine feet above high tides that will be happening early tomorrow morning around 1:15 to 4:45 from wilmington and cape hatteras as well. anywhere from five to ten inches of rain, and can't rule out 15 inches. another thing we have to worry about, talk about power outages. along the florida coastline you have more tropical vegetation. so the power outages may not be as bad. but as you travel up to savannah, charleston, florence, myrtle beach, wilmington, kingston, cape hatteras, norfolk, we have more indigenous

tree that are still in full foliage and as they come down power lines come down and we will be looking at major power outages as well. we have storm surges, winds, rain and most likely power outages out of this system. >> al, i don't know if we have the technology but i ask you to wonder over to the table for some of this. it feels like this is the kind of storm that changes by the minute. >> it does. >> it's been going on a long time. we talked yesterday about a little fatigue and not just to pull you into the political conversation here but this is the president who since the day he was inaugurated even before had been screaming fake news from the top of his lungs. i just want to get you on the reported for what the trusted sources of information are for people who may be concerned have in circulation, a doctored engine when the storm is not heading. >> which actually is against the law to put out an altered

government forecast. just throwing that out as well. >> from the oval office. the president is sitting behind the desk in the oval office. i find this kind of like -- we don't know what happened. we don't have to speculate. >> we're not saying who did it but that's the president's hand on a doctored image of a storm path. >> sitting behind the desk in the oval office. >> the forecast just detailed is terrifying both in its scope, its slowness and kinds of danger people are in. we covered enough of these -- and i haven't been doing this very long, to know a power outage for an elderly community is life-and-death situation. >> this is a serious storm. first of all it holds the record for the slowest storm over the atlantic. it sat over the bahamas for 51 hours, 41 over the northern bahamas. it dropped about 60 inches of rain in some places.

it was a powerful storm. and it rapidly intensifies. we have seen these intensive rapidly intensifying. the definition of that is an increase in 35 miles per hour within 24 hours. this thing intensified more than 35 hours, more than 35 miles per hour in nine hours. it's a powerful storm and it slowed down and now it's picking up speed. but even at 9 miles per hour it's still relatively slow and can do serious damage from florida southeast coast, georgia coast, north carolina, south carolina and i think virginia now is going to be in play. places people want to check besides, i think, our website but if you want to go to the source where we go to, national hurricane center, national weather service, noaa.com, all of these are places -- noaa.org i should say, or.gov.

these are all very accurate. these are the places we look at. >> no doctored photos? >> no doctored photos, no images. these are direct from the horse's mouth. >> al roker, thank you very much. thank you for being our trusted source of information. let me reset for our viewers. we came on the air with "the washington post" posting this story, president trump shows doctored hurricane chart, and covers up for alabama twitter flub. and here's some reporting from "the washington post" on wednesday the white house tried to retroet actively correct a tweet where president trump issued a warning erroneously that alabama would be impacted by hurricane dorian. on wednesday trump displayed a modified national hurricane center cone of uncertainty forecast dating from 11:00 a.m. on august 29th indicating alabama would in fact be impacted. the graphic appears to have been altered with a sharpie to indicate a risk the storm would move into alabama from florida. and as our viewers know from al

roker, who just reported that original photo does not show alabama circled in a black sharpie. annie karni, this does have the makings for uniquely trumpian spin on fake news. and again, this is the president who was known over the weekend talking to friends about mistakes in the media, about his growing and sustained ire for the media and its coverage of him. we know from al roker the image with the sharpie, not an official image of the path of this very dangerous, slow-moving storm. >> this is a very trumpian moment. it is like kellyanne conway introduced us long ago to alternative facts. this seems to be alternative maps of some sort. we know this white house has put out false statements about pictures from day one of the inauguration claiming ucrowd sizes were bigger than obama's while there's photograph

evidence it wasn't. these remind me of instance where you have not even a well-doctored photo. we keep calling it a doctored photo, it's just a line drawn with a sharpie. it's not like a sleight of hand made to look like an official map. it's confusing the way it's done there. and this is the moment everyone keeps saying we don't know who did it. i think the real issue here is whether trump did it himself or an aide did it because they knew he wouldn't want to be wrong about the tweet and they're anticipating this is the way he would want to correct it. it is also worrisome and i worry if a map like this, where al roker just told us, it's illegal to tamper with an official map. is this an example of where some of the guardrails that used to be in place in the white house aren't? that someone in the inner circle who has the stature with him to say, mr. president, you cannot hold that up, we need to take that out of here, isn't there anymore? that's the question this raises for me. >> no, it's the perfect question, annie karni.

i wanted to show you the president just responded but it's a question we will come back to on the other side. here's the president responding. >> sir, you showed a map earlier of the original forecast. it appears it had been edited or something to include alabama. can you explain how that came to be? >> no, i just know that alabama was in the original forecast. they thought it would get a piece of it. it was supposed to go -- actually we have a better map than that, which is going to be presented where we had many lines going directly, many models, each line being a model, and they would go directly through and in all cases alabama was hit. if not lightly in some places pretty hard. georgia, alabama was a different route. they actually gave that 95% chance probability. turns out that is not what happened, it made the right turn up the coast. but alabama was hit very hard, and was going to be hit very hard along with georgia, but under the current, they won't

be. georgia will be possibly. we're going to see. we're right at that point right now but i think georgia will be in great shape. everyone is going to be in great shape because we're going to take care of it regardless, regardless. but the original path was through florida. that was probably three days -- i think that's three, four days old. the original path that most people thought it was going to be taking, as you know, was right through florida where on the right would have been georgia, alabama, et cetera. >> and that map looked like it had been altered by a sharpie? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> annie karni, the lie count has somewhere between 10,000 and 11,000 lies since we came on the air and i didn't check it for the latest. we know it was a lie that the alabama weather service, they felt the need to respond to in realtime. trump's tweet about sunday about alabama came as the bahamas category 5 hurricane sparked enough public alarm that it

prompted the national weather service in birmingham, alabama, to bluntly tweet 20 minutes later, alabama will not see any impacts from dorian. here's the president sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday, four days later quadrupling down on the lie. what is from your body of reporting about this president, what is it that makes him sort of reup a lie four days later and one correction from the national weather service later? >> mine, this one is truly a strange one because this is not a political adversary that he's going after and it's -- he punches back and he punches back harder than he got hit. this is -- you think the weather being corrected by the actual path of the storm, we would think you would say oh, what a relief we were mistaken and it's not going to hit alabama as we thought. but in general he doesn't like to concede any ground and admit

he was wrong. you can count on one hand the times he had to be forced to apologize, didn't like to do it. but this was a strange one because it doesn't seem to be scoring any political points. in terms of taking it back. >> john heilemann, it's a story that broke at 33:55. people were picking up steam on twitter. to me it's the most important thing to do today, to show there's no -- there's nothing too small for trump to lie about. there's nothing he won't quadruple down on. and let me tell you, i lived in tallahassee, i lived in florida, they're really good at preparing for hurricanes but they rely on accurate information. and it's no joke to mess with a forecast. so, you know, it might seem like a sharpie but i think the intersection of a president that rails against fake news all day every day and a storm that is

hitting this country today and truly jeopardizes people's lives and livelihoods is a serious enough thing to 1207 and say what is going on? >> yeah, well, there's a whole bunch of things to say about this. one of them is we have often remarked on the fact trump has been incredibly lucky in that the chaos and the lies that have devalued his currency, the most fundamental currency a president has, which is trust, that they have not had significant real-world consequences outside of puerto rico, which is obviously there have been disasters, there's obviously match shootings and traditional body count in this presidency. what we haven't seen is the moment expected, there would be a realtime crisis where trump's lies and ignorance and the way in which he defiles and devalues the most -- not just the trust he has but stage on which that trust resides historically, places like the podium and white house briefing room, oval office

behind the president's desk, that we would see this moment, where it would happen. this is a terrible moment for the people that have been in the past of this storm. luckily alabamians are not. his lie is maybe causing panic in their world but that is obviously a serious thing. but this gives you a taste of what it would be like given trump cannot lie about everything. when caught in a lie, to the elaborateness, the baroque quality of the reinforcement, 95% he's citing, this is not just alabama might have gotten hit but alabama was going to be hit. it was 95% certainty that alabama was going to be hit, it was going through there. everybody thought it. all of those things are demonstrable wise. and he's not just doubling down on the original lie, he's exaggerating and making the lie bigger and then as i said a second ago when al was here, just the fact of him sitting there in the oval office on this

day when we know that that map, whatever fantasy was in his head about alabama, we know alabama will not be it but yet on the day the storm is sitting on that desk with that thing disseminating more false information from within the oval office, i'm sorry, but it's still -- we've all been accustom to lies out on the twitter feed, et cetera. but to see them behind that desk holding that doctored graphic is just like -- >> it's startling. i'm with you -- go ahead. >> i'm sorry, i was just going to add the stakes here are much higher but this kind of small lie that is tangible and we can see reminded me of the kind of -- when he claimed he had not called tim cook, the ceo of apple, tim apple. when it was on tape and anyone could listen. and it doesn't really matter. it's not an embarrassing slipup. it's kind of funny. and yet his reaction was i

didn't say that. i said cook very quietly and that's not what happened. i think the part here is just cannot be embarrassed and views kind of having to say there was a slipup as an embarrassment. >> i think to everything -- and i've asked eli, i've asked you and annie on this show what it's like to cover someone who lies at a clip we've never seen before. but i guess the three dots to assemble for our viewers trying to make sense of this, and heaven forbid anyone in the storm's path trying to get the right information, he said to his crowd at a maga rally, don't believe what you see. don't believe what you hear. and i guess what we have from the president today, lying on the fourth day after being caught not by a political enemy, not by the media, but the alabama office of the national weather service, we see him doubling down today. we will now spend valuable time

trying to figure out whose sharpie it was that made that mark instead of figuring out why he lied and why he's in the pocket of the nra after another mass shooting over the weekend. but we know the president can't have his supporters know the truth about him. we know that because he told them not to believe what they see and hear. >> and the emotional connection, so much of what he has with his base is telling his base that everybody but him is wrong. so the media is wrong. so it sort of inoculates him and allows him to just make stuff up and get people to believe it because they want to believe it. and that is sort of where we're at. we're so far through the looking glass on this. he's raging to anyone that will listen about media coverage and yet none of us would be talking about his screw-up tweet about alabama if somebody had not drawn that line with a sharpie on the map. there's a self-pro filling aspect to this because we have to cover and point to thing

when's the behavior is apparently abhorrent, when there's huge consequences of public safety as al pointed out. so we have to talk about these things and that gets him raging and more upset about the news and tell people the news is fake and they're just out to get me and isn't the news so negative? it's really hard to prioritize and decide what lies matter and what lies don't because there are so many of them. al said rightly drawing a line and changing a weather map is a crime. it's also a crime to lie about something, to mislead the markets. a week ago you had the president lying about calls with china in an effort to settle the markets. so his behavior oftentimes is really crossing the boundary of what's acceptable, what's legal and what's truthful. that's a huge challenge for all of us covering it. >> last word. >> i think a point of picture of

political trust and authority, when voters go to the polls they think about policy preferences, what's important to them but also think on their elected leaders as someone who's going to act authoritatively in moments of crisis. when you have this president, i would want to call it fake news if the consequences were not so tragic for citizens but when he does something like this, it makes you wonder can i trust the president in the time of an emergency to give me the correct information so i could mobilize not just myself and families as you pointed out earlier but law enforcement as well, who apparently -- >> who on his twitter feed attacked the fbi yesterday. >> if you're in alabama and you're law enforcement, you are possibly fielding calls from citizens and the president is saying i saw this on the news, what's happening? >> exactly. and the 63 million people who follow trump on twitter. >> it's pathological. some of these other lies, at

least i understand why he wants to mislead the market. that's not excusing it but the motivation is clear. this is like all he had to do was made the mistake, i screwed up, i heard alabama. i made a mistake. no one would have dinged him if he said hey, i messed this up, sorry. >> exactly. annie karni, thank you for spending time with us, we're grateful. after the break the white house woke up to a stark question from a major newspaper, how high does the body count have to get before trump and his party do something about guns? also ahead, donald trump steals from the military budget to fund his boarder wall. new reporting on the president's obsession of building a wall at all cost. moving into our new apartment. why don't we just ask geico for help with renters insurance? i didn't know geico helps with renters insurance. yeah, and we could save a bunch too. antonio! fetch computer! antonio?

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news today that describes the shaw and awe from "the washington post" that reads in part, quote, what if there was a mass shooting in the united states not once or twice or four or six times monthly but every single day, a big one, the kind that electrifies social media and squats for days on page one, would that be enough to move senate majority leader mitch mcconnell for his consistent inertia on gun safety? would any amount of bloodshed convince the kentucky republican that he should act? 38 people in dayton, ohio, west texas and still senate republicans and president trump refuse to act. the editorial lists the names of the victims of mass shootings and calls for a ban on adult

weapons but so far it hasn't moved mcconnell off his position. mcconnell putting down a marker this week on gun reform saying he will only move on legislation trump plans to sign, shifting responsibility back to trump, who acts like a political hostage of the nra. congresswoman jennifer wexen, a democrat from virginia joins us. congresswoman, what could be done with mcconnell and donald trump in the grips of the nra. >> mr. mitchell needs to decide who he works for, the congress, nra or american people. the american people support universal background checks. it's been sitting in the senate for 189 days after we passed it out of the house of representatives. he needs to take it up and allow the senate to debate it and vote on it. >> do you see something the fact that walmart, which is taking a step you have to assume is at

least responsive or cognizant of what their customers want, that their able to do more than congress, is there a lesson in that? can you signal to some republicans who may be afraid of mcconnell and trump's grip on the party and also open to public opinion. can you point to public opinion shifting to try to bring around some republicans? >> sure, it's great that walmart is doing that and kmipd them for it. but, you know, they shouldn't be more responsive to the american people as the united states congress is. and this is something that, as i said, a vast majority of american people support, and it's becoming a more and more important issue when it comes to people voting. i don't know if mitch mcconnell will need to listen, you know, to the american public or maybe some of the vulnerable members of his caucus who may be in trouble come november 2020 if he doesn't act on this issue. >> to what do you chalk up the president's swerving rhetoric, in response to press coverage

after a massacre, donald trump sometimes utters things about universal background checks or common sense gun reform and then the nra seems to get to him where their tsk-tsk and he retreats back in to basically parroting nra talking points. do you see any window of opportunity in those sad, tragic days after mass shootings? and have you tried to reach out to this president or this white house during nordses? >> well, absolutely. that has been the president's pattern. after one of these tragedies he will say the right things or start to and nra will whisper in his ear and he will be back tosying nothing to see here, let's move along. this is a pattern we've seen over and over. sadly, these mass shootings are happening more and more frequently. now there's really no downtime in between them and this is something the american people are really tired of feeling like they're not safe to go out in public anymore. we need to be able to do better than this.

>> congresswoman waxen, thank you so much for spending time with us. come back if there's any movement when everybody gets back. >> we will be back next week, let's hope there will be, nicolle. >> let's live in jean-pierre from moveon.org. there really isn't a lot of division among democrats on this question. agree with her assessment public opinion is turning but you have mitch mcconnell and category, i don't remember two figures who march more in lockstep with the nra than mitch mcconnell and donald trump. >> and that's exactly right. mine, unfortunately, mitch mcconnell and donald trump are not going to do anything and like you said, the truth is, the only way this changes ask at the ballot box in 2020. we have to make sure donald trump is no longer in office and have to make sure mitch

mcconnell is no longer the majority leader. look, mitch mcconnell did nothing when 20 little kids in elementary school were killed, he did nothing when 49 people at a nightclub were killed. he did nothing when 50 people at a concert were killed. he does nothing time after time after a mass shooting and that's because, like you said, nicolle, the nra is not going to allow him. the only thing he will provide is thoughts and prayers and now what's happening, nicolle, is that he and donald trump are playing a dangerous game of hot potato, trying to see who will move first but the reality is neither will. and so, you know, we're put in a situation that is dangerous and we -- the question is, how many more bodies do we have to see? how many more massacres do we have to see before anything is done? >> john, our friend and colleague joe scarborough has choice words for mitch mcconnell this morning.

let's watch. >> mitch mcconnell just like moscow mitch won't do anything in protecting us from foreign enemies, he has been the one person that has killed every one of these bills to protect us from our domestic enemies that are gunning down our children every day. what's his end game? what's his legacy? where does it end? >> where does it end? >> well, i think there's a piece of scarborough sound this morning that i also -- companion piece to that which i thought was very interesting because it got right at the heart of something important, he made a point about the nra attacking walmart and that the people who wrote that press release in the pack of nra were not representing the nra or gun members but people who had investments in weapons manufacturer and ammunition manufacturers. that's what the nra now is.

it's not a pressure group that represents even a broken minority. in the nra there's overwhelming support for background checks. it's about money, that drives a small sliver of industry. which is why the walmart thing is important. i'm with karine, mitch mcconnell, in the current world order, mitch mcconnell and donald trump will stop all gun and safety measures 100%. doesn't matter how many mass shootings there are, political change is not necessary. however the thing that changes the political structure is when the money starts to change. when republicans that march to the nra's tune, to their orders, start to get pressured by other financially organized interests, by business groups, by when walmart decides to do what it did, every retailer in the country that touches guns or ammunition is watching walmart's stock, understands those are

sophisticated people in arkansas and who know it's not the public opinion changing so much but the public opinion is changing the way it has an impact on the bottom line and stock price. when that starts to happen, which is like symbolically and practically the walmart thing matters so much, everyone in the business community looks at walmart. they don't all necessarily do what walmart does, but when you start to see businesses recognize their current policys are bad for the bottom line, that is when a different conversation starts happening with republican lawmakers because all they care about is not what their constituents say or gun owners say, they care about what their funders say. when the funders start to get a different message, that changes the political calculus maybe not tomorrow but down the line. >> this is a particularly divisive issue for me because i was shot by a 14-year-old. when we talk about guns, i'm always dismayed we still don't have a really good conversation

about what the problem is. the problem to me, core of it, is gun culture is synonymous with american culture. one, we have to really tackle that. number two, even though we talk about the country being in lockstep with one another in terms of gun control, the problem as i see it is that it's the republicans that are galvanized more than e more than democrats in terms of going to the polls and voting on this issue. >> you don't think that's changing? >> i think it's changing but not enough in the short term to move mitch mcconnell and others. i would argue in addition to what we want to be doing in washington, we also need to focus on state houses. there are 14 states you have democrat control of the governorship and legislature, we should be convincing them if they have not done tougher gun control measures to do more and we should be focused on changing governorships in individual states and statehouses to actually get more of this legislation moved. if we wait on mitch mcconnell or donald trump, it ain't gonna

happen. >> nicolle? >> go ahead, karine. i just wanted say there's been some movement across the country. you have had about 20 states who have passed some sort of gun reform law. and nine of those states were signed by republican governors, which is a good step forward. and that's what we need to see. i think what we are seeing here is basically the same type of moment we've seen from other times, like the marriage equality movement. i think the country is going to move before congress does. and i think that is what's going to happen and whoever is in congress, if the country catches up with the state passing gun reform, a lot of these congressional members will be without a job. a lot of these centers will be without a job. and that's where we are with th this movement. the country is moving. >> nothing makes the president look smaller or weaker than being in the pocket of the nra. >> in the afternoon of the shootings in dayton and el paso, the president was saying we will

do background checks. we followed him on his trip to see the victims of the shooting, he would push the nra to do those things. those stories fade from the news and then reverses himself and says this is a mental health thing. i think mitch mcconnell understands if the president were to come out and give republicans the political cover to do this, maybe they could do it. it's hard to trust donald trump as we talk about ad nauseam on this show, this is a person burned him by and president always changing his mind. so if they were to give assurances republicans would be nervous about going out on that limb, and this is a culture issue for the republican base and president understand that's too so that's why he's susceptible when the president calls and gets in his here, it's not the dollars and sense but the emotional base that you do not want to lose your core supporters and that's what he fears. when we come back, it's not

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we will build a great wall and mexico will pay for the wall. we will build a wall and what? mexico will pay for the wall. we will build the wall! and mexico will pay for the wall 100%! and who is going to pay for that wall? >> mexico! >> 100% correct. >> it would be funny if the punch line didn't turn into fema and the pentagon. today look how far we've fallen, from mexico is going to pay for the wall to this from nbc news, quote, the pentagon announced it would use $3.6 billion in military construction funding to pay for president donald trump's

long-promised border wall. the move, which was authorized by defense secretary mark esper will impact 127 different construction projects. officials say half of that money will come from planned international projects and the other half f. needed, would come from the domestic side. senate minority sleerd chuck schumer said some of money would come from construction and maintenance money from the u.s. academy at west point. so could donald trump win without the call? the answer must be no to steal from fema during hurricane season and the military. >> i think the question isn't -- i think donald trump thinks he can't win without the wall. it's been tall iz matek for him for a long time. his campaign has been a base strategy trying to get a minority of the popular vote to get enthusiastic enough he can win by walking the narrow electoral college path and he

still sees that's the only way to win. he feels to feed that base, he must get this done. i don't know whether that's true or not and i certainly don't think it's guaranteed it will be enough. in fact on the other side when you hear democratic strategists talking about increasingly what kind of campaign to construct against trump when we get to the fall of next year, that campaign for a lot of them doesn't revolve around a lot of things we rightly focus on, which is trump's day for norms and pathological lying and a lot of things we rightly focus on them but are on the broken promises on the ways in which trump did not drain the swamp, did not deliver specific things on drug prices, things he promised to people in his base and on the edge of his base. this is a classic example, i look up and felt like saying to the democratic strategy consulting class, guys if you cannot win with this, with a guy who made we will build a wall and mexico will pay for it the

cornerstone of his 2016 campaign and now stealing from fema to make good on that promise, if you can't win on that, you should all retire from the business and go home. it's not a low-budget ad, it's a big ad in all of the battleground states waiting to happen. >> karine, i'm smiling because i remember my friend steve schmidt came on the show once and he talked beautiful, beautiful sill owe qui and we grabbed a kofcof and his punch line is there are no pesos. where are the pesos? and trump sees this as part of the strategy trump scammed his base on the wall, trump scammed his base on the economy. trump is scamming his base on the trade war with china and trump is scamming his base by

perthing and scheming to pay for a wall that probably never will be. >> that's right. the trump administration is a bottomless pit of evil. that what we are dealing with. there is no bottom, there is no lower low he low than he can go because this is what -- he does this every week and it never surprises us. i think you're right, nicole, it's going to be up to the democrats to show that contrast and to show the reality that this is donald trump. he lies about everything. it's a bottomless pit of evil. he doesn't deliver. the wall as we know is not going to do anything. it's a bigoted idea. it's a bigoted wall. but for him it is like -- i think the one thing that he understands because it's building something. he talks about being beautiful and being black and putting a statue of himself by the wall. this is the way that he sees it. it's almost part of his tv reality star act. the wall is something that's real to him, that he can see and envision coming up. and so i think for him, like heilemann said, it is the one

thing that he must feel that he has to deliver on. but i have to tell you, his base is not going to go anywhere. he does misinformation campaigns or stories all the time. he will tell them the wall is there as he has been doing and they will believe it. i'm just not quite sure that he needs this wall, but he seems to feel that it is something that needs to happen. >> well, i think if you talk to the president's supporters at the next rally, a lot of them would tell you if you're being scammed, they're saying, look, you're missing the point. we don't take him at his word when he says mexico is going to pay for the wall. and i think it's true, whether he builds the wall or not, they will stay with him. he's a little more insecure about that and wants to get that thing done. but a lot of it is seeing people get aggravated, seeing him frustrate fact checkers and people who don't like the wall.

i think what's different is the people he may be upsetting are military individuals. he's taking money away from projects, including in the state of wisconsin, which is arguably the most electoral state in 2020. there are military facilities all over the country that will be affected by this. and so it's fun to see on tv, it's fun to cheer for it at a rally. i wonder if there will be any consequences in the real world to him taking money away from facilities and from projects that impact military readiness, cyber security, things like that, and potentially impact people's jobs in a lot of these states. >> the ignorance of history, because anyone that knows about the politics around base closings, to take away military spending in a congressional district is usually a showdown at the ok corral. >> to that point, i hate to use this point, but there's almost an air of desperation in it.

i can't get the money anywhere else. >> he tried shutting down the government. >> and the democrats wouldn't let me do that. so he can point fingers in that sense. but now he's going to the point of taking money out of other banks, so to speak, which is -- to me it smells a little bit of desperation. and i think what democrats are actually doing is a riff on the is your life better off now than it was four years ago. which is what did you lose in the last four years? these are the things we can start pointing to. we've taken money out of fema right before a hurricane will hit multiple states. not to mention the fact that earlier in the year fema changed how and made it more difficult for places that would get some of their funding to get it. they changed the standard which got underreported. we can talk about that. we can talk about how taking money away from the military to build schools and houses potentially. so i do think there's a narrative in there and it will come down to a good democrat to

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agendas of disruption and e isolationism. british lawmakers voted to block the plan of a no-deal brexit and they voted against the bid to call an early general election. heilemann, why does this matter? we talk about other examples of sort of trumpism being tested or sort of thriving in other countries. is this an example of something trumpy failing in the uk? >> yes. i think it's interesting at a couple levels. first of all, a special relationship with the british alliances matters a lot, it always has mattered a lot. it's one of the few world leaders donald trump appears to have a good relationship with, although bo jo did trash him when he ran in 2016 and there's records of that. he could be out of office faster than any british prime minister has been in and out of office ever. this is a situation for those in

america who think the country is on the brink of chaos, there's one western democracy that's more of a mess than america and it's britain. so it's a heartwarming quality to see an absolute clown being treated in the way i think a lot of people wish donald trump would get treated in our own congressional halls. >> one thing that distinguishes the treatment in the uk is people cross party lines to rebuke his conduct. it hasn't happened here yet. >> he's united people against him. haven't seen that here. haven't seen the legislative branch in the u.s. challenge the executive in the same way that we're seeing across the pond right now. the president you saw in the clip, i saw it at the g-7, the president believes that all geopolitics are about relationship. his relationship whether he gets along with somebody. he thinks he's going to get along with poboris johnson becae they both backed brexit. you have mike pence over there

basically offending the irish by saying he's siding with the uk. this is just a mess. clearly the administration hasn't really thought in a very nuanced way about how they're going to approach it. >> i thought it was the hair. my thanks to karine, john, eli and basil. "mtp daily" with my friend chuck todd starts now. well, if it's wednesday, it's democracy in the age of disruption. what parliament's revolt against britain's leader and hong kong's revolt against china leader means for our dear leader. plus the president is taking money from the military to fund his border wall. democrats say it's an illegal power grab. so what are they going to do about it? and take five. you can add a fifth texan to the list of republicans calling