i have been loving thche ining . we hope you tune in. that's all for this evening. good evening. >> as you head into your third one, are you thinking, it's been hard, are you thinking, darn, it's the last one, can't we plan more of these ? >> yes. i love doing it. i have neither built an airplane nor fly one, it's easy to fly one than build one. it was hard to get a new thing up on the air. it was stressful. once it's up, the ratio to stress enjoyment tips in the right direction. it's rewarding. >> i like you on tv no matter what you are doing. those live shows, to my mind as a viewer, have been just the coolest thing you have done. >> thank you. >> i hope you keep doing it. >> i hope so, too. >> thanks for joining us. big show for you tonight. it's been a busy news day,

including a big development we need to tell you about in a story that we have been covering. the trump administration targeting sick kids, targeting kids with life-threatening illnesses, putting them on notice they need to stop the medical care keeping them alive and get out of the country in a month, all of a sudden. we have been covering that for more than a week now. there was a very interesting development on that story today. we will have that for you a little later on in the show this hour. we have got a key california congressman joining us live to talk about one of the big problems with the trump administration's plans to raid funds for the u.s. military to take those funds away from the military and instead use them to build the wall, the wall that the president said mexico would pay for. there's an emerging serious problem with that plan by the trump administration. we will talk about that tonight.

lots still to come. of course, the developing story that we have been watching closely all day and that we will be tracking all night tonight is hurricane dorian. holding steady as a category 2 hurricane, hugging the coast of the carolinas, crawling north. for most of the day, the eye of the storm was just inching its way north off the coast of myrtle beach, south carolina, where they declared a state of emergency. as we are heading into the overnight tonight, north carolina is in the cross hairs. the eyewall will hit in wilmington, north carolina. toef toward morning, it will be towards the outer banks where there's an evacuation order in place right now. storm surge, of course, is a big concern across the carolinas tonight. they are looking at surges of up to six feet. flash floods and high winds are snapping trees and downing power lines. duke energy is predicting more than 700,000 homes without power

across north carolina alone by tomorrow morning. one of the other notable things about hurricane dorian is that it has been spawning tornadoes. as if a hurricane this size and this strength isn't enough, it spawned 23 tornadoes thus far just across the care lolinas. there are watching in effect across north carolina tonight and into the early morning hours until sunrise. this is going to be a long night for that part of our country as this still very powerful storm grinds its way up the map from the carolinas and ultimately toward virginia. then there's also what dorian has left behind. most particularly in the bahamas. the stories coming out of the bahamas are not just heart wrenching, in this cases scary. they seem unreal. not just because of what they went through during the storm as the storm hit, but what they have faced afterwards in the

days since, including into today as the death toll continues to rise. we don't know how high the death toll is going to go in the bahamas. the signs are not good. dorian made landfall on the island of abaco four days ago as a category 5, strongest storm to have been known to have hit the bahamas. then the storm stayed there for a day and a half. the official death toll has risen over the last few days. it started at five this weekend. it was seven as of tuesday. the death toll was 20 as of last night. as of earlier this evening, it was announced at 23. the health minister for the bahamas, what we will talk to live in a moment, also had an ominous warning when the death toll was announced to have risen to 23. the health minister predicting the final death toll will be much higher. the public needs to prepare for

unimaginable information about the death toll and human suffering. since then, since that statement, he has said the death toll has risen already tonight. now it is 30. he is telling nbc news just this past hour, quote, i certainly believe based on the findings in the field that that new number of 30 as the death toll will rise. they are flying morticians to the bahamas to help them process the bodies they have. one thing we are starting to realize is that a limiting factor already here may just be the knew marcapacity of the mor. how many bodies they are able to process. the u.n. is estimating there are more than 57,000 people in the bahamas who are in need of immediate hugh map tearimanitar. an effort is gearing up. you can see the scale of what they are up against.

honestly, it's clear that the efforts that are going to need to be international and are need to be sustained national efforts. they can't start soon enough. we have been seeing footage of rescues. this family was trapped in their home when the water started rising. rescuers plucked them out from the attic. we have been hearing toward and over the last 24 to 48 hours from the survivors and the stories what they had to go through, what they have had to see as they have saved themselves from this fate. >> we need help. we need help. that's all i could say. that's it. >> physically, there are a lot of people that lost limbs. there was a guy that tried to save his mom. he lost his arm. the current took another guy. he lost his son. >> we have a friend right now who lost to sea. he was trying to save a little boy. he ran back in to save the other child and the tide took him out.

we haven't heard from him since. >> as we were running, we were pushing bodies on the side to get through. >> bodies, people, deceased people? >> yes. floating in the water. >> you are on the roof grabbing your brother. debris does this. >> does this to me. i had let him go, he would have washed away. i watched my friends die in front of me. >> joining us now live from nassau is the nation's health minister. thank you for taking time to join us during this difficult time. i appreciate it. >> good evening. >> i know that you have said within the past hour that the death toll in the bahamas has risen to 30. you have made very sobering statements to at fekt th s to t people should expect the numbers to rise considerably. what can you tell us about that? >> this has been an historic,

devastating weather event. we have islands stretching in total about 200 miles, covering almost 1,200 square miles. this massive monster came through smashing many settlements that are widely separated. so there have been a number of deaths. we have been somewhat slow to confirm or verify the deaths. but to imagine the logistical challenge of covering that great distance, that large square footage to retrieve bodies and to confirm deaths, to bring them into the health system. so we expect that the death toll will rise significantly. >> we understand from the reporting that we're able to

piece together by just observing rescue efforts and the efforts of family members and friends to find one another, it would appear the number of people still considered missing at this point may be in the thousands. what can you tell us about efforts to reunite people who maybe found themselves stranded, communication on the various islands and rescue efforts? >> this has been a big challenge. it has only been 24 hours that conditions were adequate to get into grand bahama and 48 hours to get into abaco. we have communication challenges, roads have been torn up. you have significant floodwaters. it has been virtually impossible to land any major aircraft on either island. certainly, grand bahama, the airport is still underwater.

on abaco, the major airport is closed. the runway is now passable. you put these things together and you have a serious logistic challenge. to go from door to door, house to house, it's going to take a very long time. >> sir, what resources do you need now that you don't have? you talked about the challenges of clearing the runways, making the runways passable. getting the airports open, getting roads passable. the shoe leather challenges of getting door to door in some of the most impacted areas. what resources does your country need that you don't have? what are you looking for from the international community and from individual donors who may want to help? >> expertise, equipment and the incredible outpouring of support, most particularly from the united states of america, but from canada and great

britain. it has been helpful to have the ability to evacuate injured patients. we evacuated more than 90 injured patients. in total, almost 250 persons who have been rendered homeless, some of them with lesser injuries. to have aircraft, land movers, heavy equipment, water makers, all of these things are so necessary in the relief effort. >> the bahama health minister, thank you for taking time to talk with us. please be back in touch with us and let you know what you need our viewers to know. back here at home, the question now is what is ahead for from this slow moving still very powerful storm. just over the next few hours. as i mentioned, dorian is still alive and kicking. it's currently moving northeast

ward up the east coast of the united states as a category 2 hurricane. overnight, for the first time since leaving the bahamas, the eye of the storm tonight will be back over land. that will be the first time since it was above land in the bahamas. eastern north carolina may see winds up to 100 miles per hour tonight. storm surges could reach up to six feet, a foot of rain on top of that. the worst is expected between 2:00 a.m. and 4:00 a.m. and the worst is expected in the area we're told is most at risk over the next few hours, coast a aal areas. major flooding smashed into the city. rescuers pushed cars down the road and through flooded streets. this is a live look, i believe a live look, yes, right here at wilmington, north carolina.

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here is an unexpected twist. last month we reported on that mysterious fatal explosion in the northwest corner of russia. despite early assurances from the russian government that explosion appears to have had a nuclear aspect to it and it appears to have been a serious accident. the russian government ultimately had to admit to seven people being killed in the accident, including five nuclear scientists. since then, there's been a very ominous sort of gray area of misinformation and implausible denial and contrary self-contradicting statements from the russian government about what happened there.

importantly, how dangerous that situation might be in an ongoing way to people who live near the site of the mysterious nuclear blast. concerns have been heightened by the fact that medical personnel who treated people who were injured in that explosion themselves were exposed to high level of radiation. the doctors themselves were reportedly shipped off in good numbers to moscow to be treated for potentially dangerous exposure to radioactivity because they had treated people injured in the explosion. now we have learned about a new source of worry. a new source of mystery for people who live nearby this still puzzling and worrying russian explosion. radio free europe reporting that one day after the blast, for some reason, this little barge, this throating platform, was towed by russian authorities out of the sea and up on a nearby beach. five days later, a second

similar floating barge was dragged up next to the first one. who are those barges and where did they come from and what are they doing there? it led to this headline. angry villagers, beached pontoons, irradiated flotsam. sources have tried to figure out what they can about the barges, about the floating platforms. they have produced this helpful graphic identifying individual pieces of equipment that seem to be on board this barge, including stuff that appears to be blown up and busted. in the upper left-hand corner, it does say container for nuclear stuff. they posted this video which shows a russian journalist approaching nearby to where the barges have beached. they are using handheld geiger

counters to check the radiation levels on junk. here you can see with a was reportedly a tow rope used to drag a barge on the beach. you can see the counter going slightly nuts. here is a second rope that i think the implication was used to tow up the second barge. you can hear it beeping. you can see the up ins. i'm not going to purport to read the measurements on tv via video in russian through two news agencies. the basic idea of what these journalists are reporting is that part of whatever went wrong with the nuclear blast a month ago resulted in these random pan to pontoon barges being pulled up. they are not fenced off. it's sitting on the beach. it appears to be radioactive. it doesn't seem good.

the mysteries remain. the villages are furious. nobody is owning up to it or telling anybody how to take care of themselves. one of the other odd things about this explosion is that have you noticed there's been no international response whatsoever? specifically, there's been no nato response to it. what just happened in russia a month ago was a big, terrible accident involving some sort of novel experimental nuclear powered weapon of some kind. at least that's everybody's best guess. there was an interesting cnbc report that cast it a little differently but still it was bad. according to cnbc sources, a u.s. intelligence assessment found that that accident didn't happen during the launch of the new nuclear powered russian missile. the explosion, according to cnbc sources, happened instead when the russians were trying to find one of the nuclear powered

missiles they lost from a previous failed test. cnbc quoting a person with direct knowledge about that blast saying, quote, this was not a new launch of the weapon. it was a recovery mission to salvage a lost missile from a previous test. there was an explosion on one of the vessels involved in the recovery. that caused a reaction in the nuclear core and that's what led to the radiation leak. that's worse. right? that implies not only is russia trying to launch experimental new nuclear powered weapons and they are failing in those efforts, but once they fail in those efforts, one of the things that can go wrong is that when you send out equipment out into the sea to try to clean up the mess from their failed nuclear tests, there can be another nuclear explosion in the salvage effort, too, with the missile that failed to launch. that's bad. right?

not only is the weapon experimental and super dangerous but the failures are super dangerous in their own nuclear sense. this kind of reckless nuclear experimentation and testing and accidents is the sort of thing that would usually engender a nato response, since this is a weapons accident. this was a catastrophic accident in russia that caused multiple fatalities. the doctors treating the injured were irradiated. no response from nato at all. it's been a month. a reporter at business insider had a report a few days ago that shed some potential light on why there's been no nato response to this botched nuclear experiment and testing by russia. since a radioactive explosion in russia this month, nato has been watching. according to sources, quickly con included it was part of a reckless test to development an

experimental cruise missile. that's according to three unnamed officials. one military intelligence official based at nato in brussels say, developing a nuclear cruise missile is something that concerns nato. another nato official based in a western european capital says, putin wants back in the g-8. he is testing irresponsible weapons systems. a nato officials says, the current leadership of the west appears to be okay with ignoring this incident. shooting nuclear reactors into the sky, poses a danger to everyone. to follow this disastrous aggression with trump suggests russia's reinstatement means

putin doesn't need to fear sanctions. now we have the latest insult to add to the injury to pile on top of the ongoing mystery here about this russian disaster. putin was at eastern economic forum. he was discussing this experimental nuclear powered missile, specifically he was saying he has discussed this experimental nuclear powered missile with u.s. president donald trump. he says he discussed it with trump because he is planning on making the united states buy it. he says the united states is going to pay for these missiles. he said at the session today alongside the leaders of india and japan, i told donald, that's what he calls him, if you want we will sell them to you. that's how we keep everything balanced. who will pay for the wall? mexico. who is going to pay for putin's

new weapon that blows up? america, he says. he says he has talked to donald about it. the fate of the russian villagers near the source of that blast, the russian government's lies and information about that nuclear accident, those are all still questions that remain to be answered. for us in terms of our government, it is also now becoming clear that there's something else going on involving our own government here. that's brand-new in today's news. and that's next. stay with us. children: yeah! announcer: ride the totally realistic traffic jam. ♪ beep, beep, beep, beep children: traffic jam! announcer: and the world's first never bump bumper cars. children: never bump! announcer: it's a real savings hootenanny with options that fit your budget. that's fun for the whole family. announcer: only at progressive par...

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2014, five years ago, russia is hosting the winter olympics. the eyes of the world are upon russia and specifically upon putin. putin is in his glory. before the games were over, russia and putin in particular got very embarrassed. a huge pro-democracy uprising took over the streets of the capital city of ukraine. russia had taken care in ukraine to prop up a pro-putin strongman as the leader of that country. he employed paul manafort, donald trump's soon to be campaign chairman as his top political adviser. in 2014, in the face of mass protests by ukrainians demanding their country be a western facing country, it integrate with europe, it no longer be controlled as a corrupt outpost of russia and the kremlin, that

pro-putin ukrainian leader initially responded by killing lots of civilian protesters. that looked just terrible alongside the olympic coverage. didn't it? ultimately, he ended up fleeing. he fled first to eastern ukraine and then he ultimately fled to moscow. the protesters had won. ukraine would turn west and start to disentangle itself from the kremlin. of course, putin was not having it. ultimately, in 2014, putin would choose to address this problem, this embarrassing problem in ukraine with military action. including just invading and seizing a big portion of ukraine. crimea. for europe, it was the first use of military force by one country to move borders and take a piece of another country since world war ii. in addition to seizing crimea and making it part of russia, russian forces dug in for a long war and occupation in other

parts of ukraine. while russia thought this was its right and ukraine was its to take if it wanted to, that's not how the world is supposed to work anymore. this is a big deal. a big departure from the way countries are supposed to interact, particularly countries in europe or on europe's borders. the international reaction was swift and unsettle and very serious. a bunch of things happened to russia in response to that behavior by them. because they are still keeping crimea and because they are still occupying and waging war inside other parts of ukraine, these repercussions haven't ened. it it's been a long five years much we are getting a clear picture in the u.s. about our own government that you can see very clearly when you look at the menu of the main things that were done to russia, the things that were supposed to happen to russia as punishment for that behavior.

russia was subject to international sanctions. the oligarchs had. that was one part. also, the g-8 became the g-7. russia and putin were kicked out of the group of the world's most influential countries. that was one part of it. also the united states started directly providing lots of aid, assistance to ukraine, to allow ukraine to stand up against russia. in addition to that, a fourth pillar of the response to what russia did to ukraine, in lots of countries in europe, the u.s. set up something called the european deterrence initiative. when president obama announced it, it was called the european reassurance initiative. then changed to the european deterrence initiative. the basic idea was the same. to reassure allies of our commitment to their security and territorial integrity as a necessary and appropriate show

of support to our allies who are now deeply concerned about russia's occupation of crcrimea. the united states stands by its allies as they have stood by us. that's how the obama administration announced that new european reassurance or european deterrence initiative. those are four big things the u.s. did with the international community to punish russia for their bad behavior, to push back against russia to stop them from doing more, to pressure them to reverse their actions. sanctions, kicking them out of the g-8, aid to ukraine and this european initiative. what happened to all four of those things? sanctions, we know that that was the main point and the bottom line of all the known connections between the trump campaign and various people associated with the russian government during the 2016 presidential election. at the time the russian government was intervening in the u.s. election to try to help

trump win, all these emissaries from the russian government were imploring people associated with the trump campaign that the sanctions all needed to go. it sort of looks like when you look back at the 2016 campaign that that might have just been a russian operation targeting the sanctions, because that was what they went to the trump campaign on over and over and over again in those connections. sanctions. we have seen the trump administration try to unilate l unilaterally lift sanctions. we have seen trump slow walk other sanctions, even though congress has resisted him on that. that's the first pillar, sanctions. then there's the second pillar, russia kicked out of the g-8. last week at what is now the g-7 summit, we saw president trump repeatedly arguing that russia ought to be let back in. it should go back to being the g-8. he might invite putin himself. that's the first two pillars,

sanctions, g-8 becoming the g-7. the third one, aid to ukraine. last week politico had the scoop on that third pillar of the response to what russia did, which is america's aid to ukraine. politico's scoop, trump holds up ukraine military aid meant to confront russia. u.s. military aid to ukraine is seen as a litmus test for how strongly the american government is pushing back against moscow. scaling back that existence could expose trump to allegations his policies are favoring moscow. the funs for ukraine can't be spent while they are under review. the money will expire september 30 if it is not spent by then. if that ukraine assistance isn't spent by the end of this month, it goes away. as long as it's under review, it can't be spent. ukraine is no longer going to

get aid from the united states government. that's the third thing that happened. now there's this fourth point. the european reassurance initiative, the european det deterrence initiative. the last of the four pillars. trump is kicking that out. there's been controversy and criticism over the trump administration announcing that it turns out mexico won't pay for president trump's wall. they will raid u.s. military funds to pay for it. that's led to headlines like these as cities and states all over the u.s. learn about what's being taken away from u.s. military facilities and u.s. troops to instead build trump's wall. what about mexico? aside from what they are taking away in the united states, they are also taking away money from a very specific list of overseas projects. you might have seen the tiny little print on the spreadsheet they put out listing the stuff they are cutting to fund the wall with that money instead. this is a white house decision about what money they're going to take from the military, what they are going to de-fund in the

u.s. military so trump can have his wall. it's items and countries all with technical language and military acronyms. if you look closely, if you get out your magnifying glass, there's a trend here. see this? see that first initial eri, eri, edi, edi? a lot of the items about stuff they are cutting overseas start with this acronyacronym. edi, european deterrence initiative. eri, what it used to be called, european reassurance initiative. 25 of the oversaer overseas pro designed by the obama administration and have been implemented since to form a bulwark against russia to help our nato allies be reassured we have their back and that we will help them develop their capacity to stand up against russia,

given what russia has been doing with its bad behavior in their neighborhood, including invading other countries and taking parts of them for itself. this stuff is not like building baseball fields or painting scary faces on the front of fighter planes, however important those things are. this is the stuff that the military brags about as its serious deterrent mission abroad. this is the air force times talking about what's being funded by the european deterrence initiative. it will go to air base improvements in eastern europe, including a munitions storage facility in slovakislovakia. those items are on this list of things that are now being cut by president trump. here is the air force chief of staff bragging in light of the european deterrence initiative

funding. russia's aggression is not simple a matter to ukraine, it's a threat to the united states and the stability of the international order. with this european deterrence initiative we have your back. that was earlier this year. now trump announced he is cutting those things. here is the u.s. naval institute. in spain, for example, $21.6 million for port operations facilities as part of the pentagon's european deterrence initiative, that is being deterred -- deferred. that base is home to four u.s. missile destroyers. $66 million in funds for p-8a poseidon airfield upgrades, that's being cut to pay for the wall. this is serious stuff. special operations forces training facilities and operations facilities in is

stone estonia, ammunition upgrades. it's been interesting to watch this particularly in local newspapers. there's people all over the country who are starting to get mad about what the president is taking money from to pay for his wall. day care services, they are de-funding the day care cente l at andrews air force base. the overseas cuts, they have a specific message. to russia. that everything, all four of these pillars that the united states set up as its response to russia for what russia did over the last five years, to respond to them invading and seizing another part of a country, all of that, the sanctions, kicked

out of the g-8, military aid to the country they invaded and now our assistance to our nato allies, all of that, one, two, three, four, all of it dismantled by the trump administration. don't worry. russia is back in the box, worried about further bad behavior and what might happen to them, just as soon as they get done with the new round of explodining experimental radioactive items. they will get back to being the responsible international citizen that deserves everything they are getting from president trump and i'm sure more. i'm sure there's lots more. wee into our subaru forester. (dad) it's good to be back. (mom) it sure is. (mom vo) over the years, we trusted it to carry and protect the things that were most important to us. we always knew we had a lot of life ahead of us.

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there will be a legal fight over that as sure as the sun rises. democrats have seen this coming. they have blocked him from doing this in the language of the bill that funds the military. joining us is the chair of the house armed services subcommittee on readiness. thank you for being here. appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. >> it's been interesting to watch the country react to this on a few levels. can the president -- first of all, isn't mexico paying? second of all, can he raid the pentagon, can he raid the u.s. military to do this? you are seeing local reaction to the kinds of projects the president is trying to de-fund. the overseas projects have serious foreign policy consequences. >> exactly. >> is it a done deal? is this something that might be blocked? >> we have to stop it. there's no choice about having to fight back on this. this is going to be one big, big battle. not only because of the affect, as you so correctly pointed out

on our relationships trying to push back on putin, making sure that he doesn't have the opportunity to overrun other places, which he could do in three days if we were not there. if those countries were not part of nato. beyond that, this is a fundamental issue of the constitution, the very democracy of america is at stake here. if this man, this president is able to literally appropriate his money for his own purposes, then the balance of power, the power of the purse has been taken away from congress. we may not even exist in any meaningful way in the future. keep in mind, the vietnam war essentially ended when congress said, no, we're not going to fund this anymore. so it goes. all of this is critically important for the defense of europe, pushing back on russia as well as our own system of government. >> do we know, sir, how decisions were made as to which

projects would lose funding and which ones wouldn't? obviously, there appears to some rhyme and reason in terms of what they chose to de-fund through this process. was the house armed services committee brought in on this decision making at all? >> absolutely not. this is my responsibility. every one of the programs are programs we have analyzed over the last half decade and said these are important for the reasons that you stated and the other projects for many other reasons have to be built if we're going to have a military that's ready to do what must be done whenever it must be done. this is a long process. all of these projects have been thoroughly reviewed. they have been stacked as to their importance. these are the ones that must be done now. unless you want to just shrug your shoulders and let vurussia and putin do whatever they want. the armed services committee and my colleagues are saying, no

way. trump, you cannot do this. you do not have the power of the purse. we're not going to allow you to de-fund these programs that are critical to our nato allies, to the countries on the eastern border up against russia. >> the chair of the subcommittee on readiness in the house armed services committee, appreciate your time tonight. keep us apprised. >> it will be a monumental fight for both the con sstitutional reasons as well as the defense of europe. news on another effort to try to block the administration. in this case on the trump administration's plan for targeting sick and dieing children. the story we have been covering over the past couple of weeks took an interesting turn today. that's next. stay with us. ♪ along the byway ♪ much more ♪ much more than this

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update for you on a story we have been following extensively on this show. today the aclu of massachusetts and other civil right groups filed suit to try to block the trump administration from abruptly deporting families in this country while their kids and family in the country receiving medical care for life threatening illnesses. they sent letters to these kids telling them they need to stop their lifesaving medical treatment. now after a national up roar the administration seems to have

backed off that immediate threat to those families they've already targeted. but this new lawsuit will block the administration from making a change to the policy at all. thanks for being here. i appreciate your time. >> thank you, rachel, for what you're doing to spotlight the incredible lifesaving work of my client the irish international immigration center, immigrant center. and also these families and individuals who desperately need america's help. >> the irish international immigration center is interesting looking at your lawsuit today, i don't know if i expected but i was interested to see that the named plaintiffs in your case are not the individual kids or family members, people receiving medical treatment for life threatening illnesses but rather the irish international immigrant center that has been representing them in a number of these cases. why did you file -- why did you approach the case that way to

have the advocacy group be the plaintiff here? >> the law recognizes that organizations sometimes are appropriate to sue against policies and government actions that affect both individuals and organizations. and this is a perfect example for why that is. the iiic speaks for people who cannot speak for themselves. a 10-year-old -- a baby who had a stroke, a 10-year-old girl who has eye cancer, an 18-year-old with burns over 70% of his body. these are people battling life and death situations and they cannot all be expected to sue the federal government particularly at a moment when they desperately need that very same government's grace. >> in terms of the process and where we are in this process thus far, there was initial reporting on the trump administration taking these actions from commonwealth magazine, wbur and boston globe,

miami herald picked it up, ultimately "the new york times" did a front page story on one of these cases that had a very big impact. as we've seen the coverage of this story spread out, there's been a real uproar, and the trump administration sort of pulled back. they never announced the policy change in the first place. they then announced essentially they wouldn't go forward with the deportation threats they had issued in these letters. do you have any understanding, though, of the status of this policy and what is going to happen to the individual clients? is it clear to you? >> what is clear the administration has definitely terminated this program. uscis' deferred action program going forward. they say there may be opportunity for people who filed before august 7th to get this deferred action, but it's not clear what that does for the people who filed before august

7th and certainly does nothing at all for the people who filed since then. the iic filed december 16th an application for someone who was dying of breast cancer. unless this course of action is changed, unless it is stopped this is going to hurt people. it's going to amount to a death sentence for countless people going forward. >> today has brought suit to try to block the trump administration from rescinding this policy. keep in touch with us about this. i appreciate it. >> that ynk you. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,

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