there's a process here for how we control the purse. but we have a president who is absolutely obsessed on feeding r red meat to his supporters. lester holt getting an inside look at life behind bars. inside a maximum security prison as nbc news takes a hard look at mass incarceration and the need for criminal justice reform. >> to give a life sentence and say, look, you're not worthy of rehabilitation, i believe that's where we get it wrong. >> you're saying if we take hope out of the equation, that's where we get in trouble? >> you take hope out of the equation there's going to be a lot of trouble. good day, everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. tracking dorian, the hurricane now making its first landfall on the atlantic coast. this morning in cape hatteras, north carolina, wind gusts

approaching 100 miles per hour, a dangerous storm surge still making a big impact along the coast. another major problem at this hour, the power outages, nearly 400,000 customers across north carolina, south carolina, and virginia. trying to get through this volatile weather event without electricity. joining me now, katie beck in north carolina and today show co-host al roker. katie, first to you, obviously a lot of wind, a lot of rain where you are now. >> reporter: absolutely. yeah, after dorian made landfall in cape hatteras, we saw these conditions start to intensify. as you stand here it knocks the breath out of you. these gusts, they're powerful. we're noticing the disappearing beach behind us. even this morning there was maybe 100 yards of beach now that has shrunk to 15 feet and the water is encroaching upon us

as i speak. storm surge is something that officials here continue to be concerned about in these low lying areas. they say it will flood. this is a time that if you stayed in the outer banks to get to higher ground, the highest floor in your house the sheriff says. another concern they have are stranded folks an island. the road is washed out and authorities are trying to figure out the best way to get help to those folks. widespread power outages at this point and expected to be more flooding later. a curfew was set at 8:00 last night that was supposed to expire at noon today. officials say they're extending that given what's still happening. they don't feel comfortable lifting that curfew or any of the evacuation orders at this point. they're going to be responding i think to several emergencies as this continues. and more and more folks get stranded and are in need of

help. andrea snu. >> thank you, stay safe. al roker, what is the storm track right now? you've been tracking dorian all week. back in the weather center in new york. what are we seeing going up the coast? >> we're seeing this behaving more like a traditional hurricane. it's been defying conventions over the last several weeks. and basically it was where it made landfall, you can see cape hatteras. a little further to the south, this thing would have hugged the coast and then gone out into the atlantic without making landfall. now it has. you can see it is according to the national hurricane center still a category 1. i want you to look, though, just at how wide the feeder bands are. if you look above this band where it says tracking dorian, you can actually see rainfall now making its way into long island. that's how far this is. we're talking about 400 miles.

you can see those heavy rain bands coming all the way into the peninsula. we do have hurricane warnings still now right along the north carolina shore line. hurricane -- tropical storm warnings from norfolk to ocean city. tropical storm warnings for the eastern end of massachusetts. then we get up into canada and we still have tropical storm watches. really the big problem right now as you saw in katie beck's live shot, the rain. we have flash flood warnings stretching from kill devil hills up to norfolk and back, up and down the peninsula to right around cape hatteras. inland a bit, into north carolina. we have had actual verification of a storm surge up around norfolk of seven feet in two hours. so this verifies between four to seven feet of a storm surge.

that's where we always see the greatest danger. until this pulls out, look at the winds coming in and around dorian. stumpy point, a wind gust of 69. elizabeth city, 43. buford 27, 28 in washington. this wind wrapping all around dorian is going to have to then pull up and out. and we'll still have windy conditions behind it as well. here's the track we see right now. it is just about parallel to new jersey by later this evening. then it makes its way further out. the thing is right now tropical force winds extend out 220 miles from the center of this thing. and as we've already seen this wrap around moisture coming up, we're seeing rain showers here in new york city from this. and andrea, it just continues on traveling up and away. winds will be a factor as this pushes through. that's one of the impacts we'll be seeing.

washington, d.c. may see some breezes. out on nantucket, atlantic city, tropical storm force gusts for you tonight. five inches in parts of far eastern massachusetts, but anywhere from a half an inch to an inch of rain stretching up from new york all the way into new england. that path with a forward motion speeding up, it's performing more like a traditional hurricane and it will get the heck out of here and it will be a bad memory here along the southeastern atlantic coast. with people trying to get back their power, get debris cleaned up, but, again, for those folks in the bahamas, this is going to be something that's scarred, their memories, changed lives, livelihoods and even the geography of the bahamas itself. >> that is the devastation, al, that we really have to drill down on. thank you so much as the storm

finally is heading north and we hope off the coast. back in the bahamas the death toll is rising as rescuers are making their way into areas that look like a war zone. 30 people are confirmed dead. the prime minister expects those numbers to rise dramatically. in abaco, one of the hardest hit areas, the airport has reopened. thousands of people are still stranded by flooded neighborhoods. many homes have been levelled. it does look like war zone. morgan chesky spoke to residents desperate to escape. >> my two boys, my wife, and i'm alone. i cannot go on. >> nothing, just scraps. scraps. rubbles. >> all of our hopes are destroyed. we have nowhere to go. >> morgue waan chesky joins me.

we haven't seen destruction like that than the puerto rico hurricane. is it more accessible here? less terrain to get to these people? >> reporter: that accessibility will be a major factor going forward. we know as the rescue crews had been able to go in and get the most critically injured here to nassau where they can get treatment. the relief effort having struggles strictly because of the sheer devastation that happened on greater abaco island where we visited yesterday. marsh harbour where dorian made landfall. we saw the power of that first-ha first-hand. we do know we were able to land at the airport after it had been underwater for days. relief efforts are still having some struggles getting to the harder hit areas. i had a chance to speak to the minister of health who reassured me relief agencies were joining

forces with the bahamian officials in getting much needed water and food to those people. upon driving through marsh harbour with our crew yesterday, we encountered several hundred people outside of a clinic. i asked them, person after person, have you been getting anything so far? the answer was only so much has come in at this point in time. one of the goals everyone has is getting fresh drinking water. a woman told me that you heard from in those strings of interviews, the last real meal she had was before dorian. the need there is so great right now. i think one of the most frustrating things to hear when i ask everyone we encountered, what can people send to abaco to help? and the answer was almost always everything. this storm took away everything these people have on this isl d island. a lot of people uncomfortable calling it home right now because they're unable to recognize it. >> and the pictures are just

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for military families will be impacted by the loss of billions of dollars, billions, as the president takes money from the pentagon budget to build a wall. down to the construction of a middle school at ft. campbell, kentucky, and a daycare center at joint base andrews, which is home for air force one and the rest of the presidential fleet. "the new york times" reporting that at ft. campbell alone, 552 students will continue to cram themselves 30 in a class to a classroom that was not built for that. teachers will continue to use mobile carts to store their books, lesson plans and homework assignments because there's not enough classroom space. students will continue to strain to figure out which lesson to listen to, which one to filter out. that reporting from the "new york times" today. joining me now ann gearen and michael crowley. welcome both. the wall. it was a campaign mantra.

it was a motivating rallying cry for the base. very clear to many people, certainly after the election that mexico, neither mexican president, former or the current, are going to build that wall. yet, here we have appropriated funds from the pentagon budget for military projects being transferred $3.6 billion. protests from democrats and quietly from some republicans. >> yeah, it's amazing. you think about how untouchable the pentagon budget has been, particularly for republicans. here's president trump going forward with this. and as you noted, andrews air force base affected. how about ft. campbell in kentucky? that's senator mitch mcconnell, the republican leader who has covered president trump in so many ways on capitol hill. so not only is he going after this longtime conservative republican sacred cow in the

pentagon budget but he's nailing his most crucial allies on capitol hill who indeed defended him in many ways on this fight over the wall. and he just seems to be able to get away with it. his base in congress, his support in congress doesn't crumble. you have to wonder at some point, particularly when you have things that are hitting so directly in some of their states and districts do people have to say we can't go along with this. >> i remember the first time i went to ft. campbell it was because ronald reagan and nancy reagan were comforting the families of more than 100 troops who were on their way back from a deployment to a u.n. peace-keeping force and had been in a fatal plane crash on their way home for christmas. the president of the united states and the first lady individually went from family member to family member, these children holding teddy bears. the comforting -- what comfort could a commander in chief give. think of a successor president

taking money away from children of the troops, ann? >> well, this is the wall by any means necessary. not only would mexico not fund it, never was going to, but congress wouldn't fund it either. so the president is saying i am not going to go out and campaign for reelection without something more to show for it. he claims, with shading the truth, that the wall is currently being built. it isn't, really. >> they're repairs. >> yeah, i mean there's a lot of construction activity, but it is to portions of the border that already had a separation barrier. they're rebuilding it. to extend that, to have the visual to be able to go and visit that and campaign in a -- in the most visceral way, tell his supporters that it's being built. he needed some money. he was willing to do it this

way. you know, sure. the chips fall where they may. mitch mcconnell, martha mcsally, who is in a tough race lost money -- >> she's an air force veteran. >> absolutely. utah lost $50 million which is interesting since both of the republican senators from utah had voted against the president on wall funding last year. >> again, we have the president tweeting today about alabama. sweet home alabama. this is the fifth day, after he first misspoke on sunday. he says he was correct. he's had homeland security officials verify his command that alabama was in the hurricane's path. >> it's like an episode of veep that goes on for too long. he is incredibly resentful and

defensive and he won't adimate he's wrong. and he just won't let go. and i think andrea, that, you know, leaving aside the particular details, to me this is a microcosm of how the next 14 months are going to play out. 40% plus of the country. the president is a little off his rocker. this is whacky and suggests he's not playing with a full deck. i think a lot of democrats have suggested that. democratic presidential candidates have suggested that. i think there's a solid 40% plus of the country thaninks this gu can't get a break. that's where we are r. does the needle move? probably not. having said that, did he advance any kind of real agenda this week? not at all. the story a couple days ago, here doesn't have a clear agenda going into the fall and the

coming year. he's not pushing his policies forward. >> your colleagues at the washington post are reporting overnight it was actually the president's hand on the sharpie that changed that map to try to make it look as though alabama was involved. >> yes, although when asked yesterday the president said he didn't know how the map was altered. one white house official told me colleagues. there's no one else that could have marked it up that way. >> thank you so much. thank you. coming up. manchester united, 2020 candidates swarming to new hampshire for the state's democratic convention. trying to make a big first impression. stay with us, you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. hi i'm joan lunden.

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democratic strategist joel payne and wbru boston's nrp news station correspondent kimberly adkins. new hampshire. i mean, 19 of them is very early in the primary season. but where do you see the fault lines right now? >> this is probably the 19th cattle call the democrats have had. whether it's in iowa, nevada, south carolina, this is what ends up happening. why this is going on, there's a state convention taking place. the entire field is there. to me, new hampshire is as important as iowa is. every early state does matter. in the democratic primary fields of the last several cycles, new hampshire has been a validator like it was in 2004 when john kerry won iowa and he was able to win new hampshire, or it becomes the extender where we disagree with what happened in iowa, barack obama, you end up losing new hampshire --

>> new life to hillary clinton. >> either the winner of iowa will get validated by what goes on or we'll see an extended debate that will play out for a long time. >> is there an argument that since you have two senators, massachusetts and vermont in the game, that the conventional wisdom will be that doesn't matter, they had a homefield advantage? >> i think there's a chance that the door three this time around could be devaluing new hampshire. by that i mean, maybe some of the other leading candidates like a kamala harris or pete buttigieg or someone decides i'm going to step out. essentially going to do not contest new hampshire. i'm going to not allow either warren or sanders or whoever to get credit. maybe i double down in south carolina or california. i'd watch out for something like that. you probably know better on the ground. i'd watch out for something like that maybe developing. >> you have to -- there is a debate a to whether new

hampshire should have as much power as it does. we've seen other states like california moving up. new hampshire is a state that, although it's occupied this role for so long, it doesn't reflect demographically the broader democratic party. i think that's why you see people like harris or booker not performing quite as well there. they may say that. it's not just the candidates pitching to new hampshire, this new hampshire pitching to the democratic party trying to validate this space that they occupy. >> mark, on the republican side, we've got this mass exodus from the house. to what do you attribute these house retirements? yes, they're in the minority. just they conceding that the house is not going to turn democratic? >> it's all about being in the minority. it's not fun. being a united states senator in the minority is a lot better. your vote doesn't matter. one of the most powerless politicians in america is a house member in the minority. so we are seeing a lot of defections from this. to me, the significance of all

this, the more defections and particularly in competitive districts makes it so much harder for republicans to take back the house in 2020. we end up seeing yet a few more in particularly from swing districts, it's going to make a tough climb for republicans to win back the house. >> newt gingrich and the resurgence of the republican party for decades democrats had been in charge and republicans had felt this way for a long time until pretty recently. one of the republicans who was speaking anonymously was what's the point? it's hard to run for office with someone on the ticket above you who is doing everything you can to make life miserable for you. there's no winning. >> that's anonymous, something else i'd watch in terms of the top of the ticket. joe biden, his entire theory of the case is i can be the rising tide that lifts all boats for

democrats. some of those districts in places that maybe democrats would have a tough time with a more progressive candidate, joe biden can say i'm the type of across the aisle candidate that can bring over you know, anxious trump voters. i think that a lot of these developments might impact the primary in that way. >> kimberly, speaking of primaries, we've got a potential primary challenge in massachusetts. >> yes, joe kennedy is mulling a challenge for ed markey. >> for 30 he was waiting for a senate seat. >> massachusetts is a classic wait your turn type of state. more and more people are not waiting their turn. we saw a challenge of a longtime incumbent and win that. there's an appetite for new people. nobody disliked him, but they wanted a challenge. joe kennedy is mulling to see whether massachusetts wants a challenge. even though ed markey is a

progressive. he's one of the authors of the green new deal. it will be a tough race, but an interesting one. >> this is rattling a lot of older democrats in congress who is the generational challenge coming in. it has no idealogy attached to it. it really is age related. kimberly, joel, mark, as always, have a great weekend everyone. coming up, deal or no deal. the afghan government enraging arguments with u.s. diplomats over the president's plan to withdraw u.s. troops by next election day. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. $9.95 at my age?

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ballots and loves bullets and bombs. this is the way they do business. so the challenge for our diplomats and trying to end the violence that's gone on admittedly way too long in that country, remember that battlefield is also a humanitarian field. the challenge for those diplomats is enormous for our folks trying to find a way to end this. >> joining me now is bret mcgirt. welcome, good to see you. >> good to be here. >> this is not identical, but similar to the withdrawal from syria which mattis resigned over in that if we withdraw all u.s. troops and presumably one faction wants to leave the cia there without air cover, without military backup, basically unable to counter terrorism. house does this work? >> you had a good conversation

with general mattis yesterday. what are you trying to achieve and what are your resources? what ends to happen in the negotiations here, about the timeframe for actual withdrawal. before asking what do we want to achieve. i have limited information as general mattis said to you about are we withdrawing or not. you hear different things. i don't know. >> secretary pompeo has made it clear the president wants a real draw down before election day. >> if that's the plan we have to be very honest with what we're going to leave behind. we're not going to leave much behind. the risk of an al qaeda resurgence is real. every ambassador has spoken to this, including ryan crocker. when we went into afghanistan, there were about 900,000 afghans in school, there's now 9 million afghan children in schools and 40% are young girls. let's be honest, we're not going to be able to do that anywhere. is that a choice we've made as a

country? does that speak to our values or not? there might be a way to right size the force, reduce the risk to our force and achieve vital national interests. if the plan is to leave entirely, there should be no wishful thinking you can achieve these objectives with a presence. you really can't. >> the president made it very clear what his thinking was during the campaign. he campaigned on this, on getting out of endless wars. >> well, yeah, this debate about endless wars is a false debate. syria was the same thing. we devised the counterisis campaign in a way -- we worked closely with congress, our allies to have limited objectives and limited resources. again, great interview with general mattis yesterday. about 12 americans have been killed in this war against isis. the certain democratic forces we've built, they've taken over 10,000 casualties. we did it in a way we were not going to overinvest u.s.

treasure and lives in something that is vital to our national interest, defeating isis. then to simply say we're going to leave and still achieve our objectives, that's the fallacy here. if we plan to pull back and leave, we have to be clear about what our objectives will be. we'll not say we'll continue to meet the objectives while we pull out our resources. that's incoherent. >> and, in fact, independent inspector general report a few weeks ago, reported isis is resurgent now in both syria and neighboring iraq since we began drawing down. >> what is happening -- i spoke to this when i resigned my position. it's not only withdrawing, it's increasing your objectives as you're withdrawing. strategy is about aligning your ends and your means. if you're going to reduce your means, your resources, you have to rethink your instincts. we want to see assad fundamentally change the way he governed his country which is

not going to happen. we want to insure the enduring defeat of isis and maintain a safe zone with turkey all as we reduce our resource base by 50% at least, which is very risky. >> you're saying we're not having -- our leaders are not having an honest conversation with the american people? >> it's not an honest conversation. if the president wants to get out of afghanistan he can say there's not much al qaeda left there but there is isis. as a father of a 2-year-old girl it speaks to our values. the american pop are sick aeoplf young men giving their lives. it's outrageous for the taliban to take credit for the death of an american soldier as we're negotiating the peace agreement. sometimes we need to say we're stepping away from the table. this seems to be the time to do that.

i have great respect for the ambassador. he's been given a difficult hand. sitting across from the taliban or iranians or others, you want to know you have the weight of the american government behind your back. before ambassador went into these talks, we removed our leverage by saying we're intent to leave. >> the art of the deal. thank you very much. >> andrea, good to be here a. kmug ucoming up, lester hol be here with his exclusive reporting on life behind wars after spending two nights in a maximum security prison with his groundbreaking series justice for all, that's next on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. rizo. because they need the massive capacity of 5g with ultra wideband, so more screaming, streaming, posting fans... can experience 5g all at once. this is happening in 13 stadiums all across the country. now if verizon 5g can do this for the nfl...

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resolved for high risk offenders. no other area at this prison is more secure, which is why it's also housing a high profile guest. i spent three days, two nights at the louisiana state penitentiary better than known as angola, not to play prisoner, but to get a deeper understanding of this uniquely american crisis. mass incarceration. as journalists we know that to get to the heart of something you have to get inside it. the man behind these bars are locked in 23 hours a day like my neighbor, william curtis. a convicted murderer, sentenced here to life. he told me he's trying to escape how far did you get? >> not very. >> at the crack of dawn each morning, i set out to join the rest of angola. riding alongside prisoners, talking with correction officers. i also sat down with seth smith

director of operations for louisiana's prison system. who says the current system is broken. >> it's not giving us the results we want. it's costing a lot of money. >> you say it's about rehabilitation, but a lot of americans think it's about punishment. >> it should be hell. sure they've done awful things, but it's punishment. we can make somebody worse. >> the power of rehabilitation was on the mind of nearly every prisoner i spoke to. especially with these men who are known as juvenile lifers. they committed their crimes before they were 18 and were sentenced to life without patrol. >> i was 16 years old when i committed my crime. >> i was 17 years old. >> most of them are here for murder, but they say they're changed men. >> we were children when we got incarcerated. >> the u.s. supreme court ruled in 2012 that mandatory life without patrol sentences for juvenils are unconstitutional. so today they all have a chance at patrol. >> when we do get the

opportunity to show that we're different, the people will be able to see. >> back in the solitude of cell i'd reflect on the day. is prison punishment? is it a place of reform? it's all very complicated. we often think of prisons in the abstract. criminals are sent here and that's the end of their story. it's not, of course. knowing each of their stories continues behind and beyond these walls. maybe that's the key in helping us solve this american crisis. >> and lester holt joins me now. lester, extraordinary insights. you raise many profound questions about rehabilitation and punishment and the balance and especially for these juvenile lifers. >> yeah, i mean, these are issues that our country is struggling with right now. we've seen criminal justice reform has taken on a bipartisan support. we saw the federal first step act that was passed.

that only dealt with federal prisoners. there's a conversation going on right now, how far do you go? it's one thing to reduce the prison population of non-violent offenders. how much risk do you take on violent offenders. in some cases they committed crimes as teenagers, they're now in their 40s and 50s and 60s. how do we factor in the families of their victims? it's stirring a national conversation. >> you've done so much work on this whole issue. your interviews of the central park five. what did you learn in addition by being inside angola? >> i think i learned about this power of rehabilitation. we hear that word a lot. you know, we often look at prisoners and they're kind of invisible to us. when you meet them on an individual basis you hear about the crimes they committed. at first you're horrified and

then you find yourself having tent conversations. they've been forced into a position, they have to reckon with their crime and their future. as i have noted in reporting this story, you never know when someone is conning you. i mean, sometimes people tell you what they think you want to hear. but there is something real and something valid about the sense of wanting to start over and feeling that void on the outside, maybe i could make a difference knowing what i know, having experienced what i experienced. >> how unusual is what's happening in angola, louisiana reforms where everyone has a job, where they are learning something whether they're going to get out or not? >> it's not happening in all places. it's so uneven as to how various corrections agencies are handling this. they have found great success there. talking to the corrections officers. to a person they said we don't like the idea of no possibility of patrol. it makes us in a more dangerous

way. if you take away hope, you've made the place in many ways less severe. the thought of what does a person have to lose. so they're mostly supportive of the idea they should be given some chance of parole. but that's a larger question in criminal justice. >> i know you're going to be exploring all of this continuing. lester holt, thank you so much. we'll see more of the justice for all series tonight on nbc "nightly news," and a special edition of dateline. and then this sunday, an msnbc special, lester holt's a justice for all a town hall. watch it right here on msnbc sunday at 10 eastern. boris johnson's own brother resigning from parliament as the chaos around a no-deal brexit ranges on. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.

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a bill was passed that would prevent him from leaving the european union by october 31st. johnson is digging in, refusing to agree to demands for a delay. >> can you make a promise today to the british public that you will not go back to brussels and ask for another delay to brexit? >> yes. >> and so -- and would you -- >> i'd rather be dead in a ditch. >> financial times editor at large joining me now. this is incredible. the ups and downs, but the broader picture is, what's going on with democracy in the uk. >> as i've said before, people used to think that british parliament was like down then abby and it's now like "monty python." boris john's own brother has

given up in despair saying he cannot stay in the government with a clean conscious given the national interests and we have frankly total chaos. what's happened in the last 24 hours is that the opposition parties have refused an attempt by boris johnson to call another general election to try and sort this out. they're saying they want boris johnson to agree or have all of the pieces in place to stop a hard deal brexit going through on halloween date, but that was what was planned, and basically once the pieces are in place for that to happen, they'll have a general election. but it's complete chaos. the most likely scenario is several more weeks of complete limbo and chaos, probably a general election in november, but the key point is, we're seeing a major realignment of british politics in a way that should make everyone in europe and in the u.s. very nervous. >> very nervous indeed.

the british tabloids today just on the brother abandoning brother in the uk with those headlines -- tab headlines, i should say, reflecting the chaos there and the bigger picture is, as you point out, it is a reordering of politics, more broadly, of democracy in the world's oldest western democracy. >> people are losing faith in the democratic structures. people can't decide whether the democracy expressed by parliament or reverend, referendum, which of those who is more important. the old split between right and left is crumbling in the face of a new split for people who believe in globalism, people who believe in being part of a wider system and people who want to have a nationalist perception of politics. the split between brexit and

anti-brexit, and that is trumping everything else. >> and it really does fit with what's happening here, we're seeing tribalism here and divisions where we got a 40/40 country but people are locked in their position and is there doesn't seem to be any compromise. >> and the problem is, longer term drift towards greater and greater towards tribalism. i was in a discussion this morning where one of the scientists revealed that for the first time ever, 40% of british families are saying that they don't want their kids dating somebody who's either anti-or pro-brexit depending on which camp they're in. that echoes what we've been seeing in america for some time. and the question is, how on earth do you row back from this level of bitter mistrust and tie ballism in an era of social media. and i don't see any country in europe that's got that kind of

soul in this bitter fighting right now. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and before we go, at the end of the week, we have some welcome, wonderful news to share. kasie hunt is a new mom, giving birth to a baby boy. he weighed in at 9.5 pounds. mom, dad, and baby are all doing great. she says we love him so much and can't wait to see what joy he brings to our family of three. and we're full of joy and love for all of you. it's the fifth anniversary of "meet the press" with chuck todd. a great anniversary to share. remember to follow us online on facebook and on twitter and here is stephanie ruhle for "velshi & ruhle." >> good afternoon. it is friday, september 6th. i'm stephanie ruhle, my partner,

ali velshi, on the road live in north carolina. we are tracking hurricane dorian as a category one hurricane continues to creep its way up the atlantic coast before moving out into the atlantic ocean. dorian's whipping the outer ban banks. storm surges are expected to be seen throughout the day. hundreds of people could be trapped on an island, dorian made landfall in cape hatteras bringing sustained winds nearing 90 miles per hour an hour with it. this image showing dorian's eye wall engulfing the barrier island entirely. overnight on south carolina's coastline, dorian leaving a trail of mass flooding and hundreds of thousands of power outages in its path. and today we're still monitoring the devastation that remains in the baham