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homes are completely submerged. the state's governor saying down. i see some sunshine behind you now. what are you waking up toe1 thi morning? >> there's a quiet here. i will get down to hatteras and ocracoke in a moment. t here. there'(q the roads. i was walking on the beach

behind me. there were some sea birds. some peoplethhq,ploring what happened in this community. 3!o:jñ at the northern end of t outer banks. it's been a wild 36 hours. it's gotten quiet in the last 12 or so. it was aw9fairly calm night las night.r through the night as thet( stor made its way up to charleston, to hatteras where it made landfall, that's when things began here. there was a lotçó of rain and wd and some damage. i want to show you behind me, this is a roof from the condo it slid off that roof, taking aire1jf conditioners with it. some of my colleagues were outside when this happened. this is emblematicc of the wors kind of damage we've se$vñ in te northern end of the outer banks. things are much worse making your way p,5asouth. we'll endeavor to do that today. we'll take highway 12 from south nags head down to hatteras. in storms like these, that road

is often made impassable because of storm water, rainwater, because of sand and sea t(grass. we have gotten mixed reports of what will be open and how far wq can go. let's take to you hat ras and t( ocracoke. we heard reports from people who lived in those communities and elected to stay behind.ep&&h(lc% they're far from here. le on the day of the storm, the day the storm hit, i went down there and talked to folks in hatteras, in buxton north of fáthere, the said they had been through storms like this before. they were not fearful of the wind, it was the floodwaters. they had been through a bunch of these before and they werejf prepared to do it oncxagain. as the storm made its way up from south carolina, i was there. a water main broke this morning. we hear dominion energy is working harql to get power back

to hatteras. we've seen rescue trucks, power trucks making their way don't highway. they'll be going down highway 12 as well. yes, it's calm.xd yes. the sun hase1 risen here. things are beginningq to return ormal. are beginningq to return with that people are assessing the damage that occurred here over the last 24, 36 e1hours. >> thank you very much. we'll check back in with you. let's turn i÷ over to t(janessa webb. she has the xdlatest. >> we've already seen three landfalls from hurricane dorian, we've been talking about it for thee1 last 14 days now. not setting any records with thisqe1 storm system, but it's n a solid two weeks for it to form as a tropical xdstorm. sustained winds at 85 miles per hour. still a cat 1 here. it has gained some momentum. that will be the case here for 9ñe1 the nationalfá hurricane center still advising here, we're going to be dealing with hurricane-force winds throughout the next 6 to 12 hours.

the longer it continues to sit the longer it continues to sit in this w!jf body of wate2k where temperatures are currently in the mid 80s, it's going to gain that t(momentum. right now we are looking at a hurricane, a cat 1e1 for novaxd scotia here. it will turn subtropical by sunday. sunday. we han nova scotia in atx1 least 11 years. this will be a big-time event with the storm surge, it's going to be significant in that area.3 also the hazardous conditions throughout the day across cape cod here. we'll continue toe1 catch the flooding.c 3rdays of talking about dorian. this is a storm that won'te1 di. >> thank you very much. let's bring in our panel. earlier in the week there was controversy, i think you know what i am talking about, it was sparked about the president's comments about the path of dorian. ì

it seemed clear earlyt( on that @euzwards alabama, then sharpie-gate happened. liz, you look ready tofá attack this one. mhts? >> anything is possible. whoever in noaa who needs to come out and protect trumpe1 -- studies say maybe 5%, 10% chance it would hiti] alabama. there are chances a lot@:q things could happen. i could be on the cover of "sports illustrated." it's possible. there's a small chance. trump needed lpnoaa toqe1 come d double down on thisxdxdlp tinyñ. it's4spreposterous.

>> anybody of you guys noti] surprised by this? everybody is just nodding in agreement. >> he alsoe1 trotted out his homeland security adviser on this issue as welle1 and other senior officials to back him up1 including the presse1 secretary who has beent( anw3ñi attack do him. the main thing for me is basic trust in government. you want to trust your government when these storms are coming. you wav(8 to trust what the higher-ups are saying about potential impacts, whether you have to evacuate.q i think this does no good for the idea of citizens trustinge1 what their government is telling them,e1 especially when their safety and lives couldok be in danger.xd are y >> are you shockwe'edt( we'rer here talking about a debate about the weather? >> i kind of preposterous ife1 u will. the other problem here is you have these very highly trainedl

ujut job it is to fly intoñi hurricanes, screen danger, to give us accurate information. and they yesterday came out and were just furious about this. thew3e1 union for the weather workers was just like this is crazy.jf so that'si] wherexw: are hen4ñ 1 >> le] me ask you a question, liz. we know the president doesn't like to apologize. we know that he tens to sometimes double down often when he gets criticized. an ijtuz like this, this seems like it woulvót( be an easy one say i was wrong, let's move on. are you@)@rprised he's making suchñi añifryto-do whençó it's r situation? >> jfno. he has proven time and time again. i have dated guys like that, you're out. you can never admit you're wrong. you're doubling down on weirdness. it's causing a problem, now my çh

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welcome back to "up." the president's troubled golf resort in scotland is back in the spotlight. how democrats say that the u.s. military has spent $11 million on fuel at an airport closest to trump's property. in one particular case this spring an air force crew landed in glasgow and then drove 50 miles to trump's resort. politico writes the incidents raise the possibility that the military has helped keep trump's resort afloat. the property lost 4$4.5 million in 2017, but revenue went up 3 million in 2018. this week vice president pence went out of his way to stay at the property in ireland. just last week, we learned the attorney general will be hosting his holiday party in december at trump's hotel in d.c.

andr we're chatting about it during the break. the question of the emoluments clause here. is there any question in your mind there's something worth investigating here? >> sure. it really is what this represents here what house democrats are doing is an expansion of the impeachment investigation that started. it's a broadening of it. next week the house judiciary committee will sign and form formalize the parameters of that investigation. i would be shocked if these issues are not front and center along with the questions in the mueller report about obstruction of justice. right now something that house democrats have to be careful of is their messaging problem. speaker pelosi is on one hand saying the president violated the constitution with these emol issues. at the same time she's saying it's not a political decision to not consider impeachment at the time. all of that can't be true.

that's something house democrats have to grapple with when they come back to washington. >> it looks like they're not getting much help. the house saying they've been stonewalled. the pent gagon is not looking io these military sleepovers. elijah cummings saying the committee does not believe the u.s. taxpayer's fund should be used to personally enrich, president trump, his family and company. >> if you are saying the company lost $4 million one year, gained $3 million the next year, and you're hearing stories about free rooms, free rounds of golf, seems like something fishy is happening here. >> liz, he brought it up again at g7, suggesting, just suggesting, the president, it might be nice to have the next meeting and invite vladimir putin, called it g8, and have it at his property. >> sure. let's be real. it has nothing to do with profit. he wanted to do it because it's a fantastic place for people.

he said that. i don't want the money. why would i want the money? >> i have more than enough money. >> i have more than enough money. i have all the money. to not investigate it is wild. to your point, it's like if you make a statement that starts with the president has wildly gone against what he is allowed to do in the constitution, dot, dot, dot, and it doesn't end with that is an impeachable offense? who are you appeasing? that's just -- i don't know who she's appeasing. the only body in our government can hold a president accountable for violating the clause is the congress. congress is the only body that can deal with these issues. if you're speaker pelosi and you're saying he's violated the constitution, yet at the same time saying it's not for

politics we're pursuing impeachment, what other reason could it be. >> when you have a president who stacked these agencies with people who say when congress asks for documents, you say no, no, we won't. knowing that will go through a court process that would take until long after trump is out of office. doesn't that make you enraged? sometimes i think he likdoes th. >> they're playing sort of a long game here. they're building their case. there's a strategy here. do you see a strategy here? or has it reached the point where it's enough? >> i mean, i -- is there a strategy here? if there's a strategy here, i'm not sure i see it. i don't see it. but, you know, at this point you're coming up on an election.

you don't have a senate that will go along with the house. so i don't know. >> i don't know is an excellent answer. >> the end game is the 2020 election, i think. democrats deciding in the end let's focus on voting trump out of office in 2020. at that point you'll have a nominee. you have all these hearings running their course. maybe some of the court battles will end up then. who knows. >> we'll take a quick break. we'll be back with you. he set up to unite the country around brexit, but instead he's dividing his party and even his own family. the boris johnson drama is next. every day, visionaries are creating the future.

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six weeks into his prime ministership boris johnson lost his majority. he is getting significant pushback from parliamentary members across party lines. with his own party facing disarray, the uk could see the third election in five years. joining us now from london is

sarah harmon. still with us is our panel. sarah, we'll started wi with yo. run us through the latest. it's been quite a week in the uk. >> that's one word for it. it's probably a bit of an understatement to say that boris johnson's first week in parliament got off to a rough start. normally a prime minister losing the majority is a big deal. but for boris johnson, it was just the beginning. things went from bad to worse this week, even his own little brother resigned in protest. the icing on the cake was on friday. parliament passed a bill that will require boris johnson to do something he doesn't want to do. go to brussels in mid-october and request the deadline for brexit be extended until the end of january. johnson has made clear he has no interest in delaying brexit, saying "he would rather be dead in a ditch than ask brussel force a brexit extension." it remains to be seen how this

particular circle can be squared. one option is for the uk to hold a general election. at the moment the opposition parties are blocking a general election making it increasingly unlikely that the uk will vote before october 31st. >> thank you so much. i'll send this out to our panel. he would rather be dead in a ditch. talk about do or die here. i don't know where to begin. where do they begin to solve this problem in the uk? it just seems like a complete crisis of leadership all around. >> speechless. we're all speechless. this has been the theme this morning. what's going on? >> maybe it's been that kind of week. >> but is it surprising to you at all? it seems to me when they said boris johnson is going to come in, he'll make brexit work, i was like really? >> i don't understand if this is a surprise to anybody that he's putting his foot in the sand, i guess if you will. if he and trump are similar sort

of -- >> characters? >> characters, behave in similar manners, then it's not a surprise at all he's coming in. he's even standing harder than theresa may did. theresa may sounds like, you know, a godsend at this point. >> boris was the main cheerleader of brexit. another big cheerleader was donald trump. he was running for president when it happened. he cheered it. he liked to say he predicted it from the start. i think one dpaangers that this president runs into now cheering on these populist uprisings is that it could contribute to a o potential downturn of the u.s. economy. an incumbent u.s. president running for election, presiding over an economic downturn, you're likely to lose. i think the president knows that. that's part of why he's trying to wrap up trade negotiations with china. it is in his best personal interest to see these tensions from across the pond see

themselves out and cease to exist as we head into next year. >> we know it boils down to a basic statement. it's the economy stupid, right? we know that. let me ask you a bit of a chicken and egg question here. we seem to be having political instability in a lot of places. some people might argue we have it in the united states. we're seeing it in the uk. seeing it happen in hong kong. you mentioned italy before. we're seeing world economies turning. is this something that was there already and that's why we have these unstable outlandish leadership issues? maybe wilder leaders than usual? or do you think it's leaders who are bringing about some of the crises we're seeing? >> i think whether it's brexit, whether it's -- in any slew of it, trump, you have economic policies that are not based on making economic choices that are good, that are based on racism. no one will come in and solve

brexit because brexit is based wholly on flaming the fuels of xenophobia in great britain. to say racism and xenophobia was brought in by these people is false. you have to have the tools, you have to have the baseline of that. all it was was giving people a reason to bring their hate to the forefront and vote on something that is never going to be solved. it's based on your own hate. >> no one wants to argue. look, i have not filled in on the show that often, i've never seen a panel quite in such agreement here. andru andrew? >> with these populist uprisings, the main concern for the global economy is an economic downturn. i did mention for the president the idea of it slowing down ahead of 2020. we saw in italy that populist government fell apart. now we have a more pro europe

government in italy. that's a relief to folks in the european union. not sure how boris johnson feels about that, but i think the next big thing for the eu to deal with is seeing this brexit crisis through to the end. then the next big thing for the president is seeing how if at all this might affect the u.s. economy and his trade negotiations with china. we know china is trying to exert greater influence in europe. it's all interconnected. i think the president knows that as he tries to get re-elected next year. >> whole lot of issues to work out before we get to 2020. a programming note. tune in tomorrow night when msnbc presents an eye-opening look of tat the enjusticinjusti criminal justice system. it all starts tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern. you'll catch it here on msnbc. stranded and without power. the trail of destruction that hurricane dorian left behind.

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welcome back to "up." we're still tracking hurricane dorian. in the bahamas thousands are still unaccounted for as the official death toll rose to 43. the government there expects that number to rise significantly. rescue teams are racing the clock to help survivors from

hurricane dorian. morgan is on the ground in nassau. morgan? >> good morning from nassau. we're here at the airport which has essentially become ground zero for recovery efforts to abaco island, that place that was devastated by hurricane dorian when it made its way through. the sound we've become accustomed to hearing is military helicopters, now relief planes finally able to take off with airports opening up on abaco island on marsh harbor and treasure key. we heard the coast guard rescued more than 200 people off abaco island. it's important to note those people not critically injured, who are still on the island who have nowhere else to go, they're still in desperate need of relief. primarily in the form of clean drinking water and food. when we had a chance to visit marsh harbor just hours after that airport reopened, we found hundreds of people waiting outside a clinic. some of whom had ridden the storm out inside. now it was a public gathering

place. and person after person when i said i've been told supplies have been sent here, they said maybe so, but not enough. every day becoming a struggle to find water and food to feed children and the people there who are on the island, basically in a daze because everything has been taken away from them. right now we're hearing from officials that the prime minister is calling for patience amidst this ongoing struggle, promising those people in the hard to reach areas that help is on the way. we know boats, planes, helicopters are going to those inaccessible areas, trying to get people here to nassau where they can get medical care and be reunited with family members to hopefully begin the long process forward. we're seeing a growing threat in that with the hot sun bearing down, dehydration becoming an issue, malnourishment and fatigue setting in. you have to feel for the people that as i say these words right now are somewhere on an island

waiting for help and not knowing when it's going to arrive. >> morgan, we've been talking to you for a few days now. the most frightening thing is they had so much trouble getting to the people in need, so much trouble assessing how bad things are. once officials do get in there, once they have gotten a sense for what's going on, i can only imagine the death toll will skyrocket there. >> right. we had a chance to hear from a spokesperson for the prime minister late last night. i think one of the most telling things they said when they increased that death toll to 43 is anticipate that number to increase significantly. we spoke to several people in marsh harbor who were describing the scenes that they witnessed. one gentleman waiting at the airport trying to get off saying after dorian moved through, one of his first concerns was one of his best friends who lived a few doors down. when he went to that man's home to look for him, he went inside, and he found him facedown in the

storm surge still inside that house. so there are so many deaths that have yet to be reported. it is frightening to think about what that number will finally be put at in the days ahead. >> frightening to say the least. morgan, thanks so much. here in the u.s., north carolina got the brunt of dorian's force. we're talking severe flooding and even tornadoes. hundreds of residents have been stranded and in need of rescue. thousands more are without power. david gura is there. he made his way up from cape hatteras to nags head. that's where he joins us from this morning. the recovery process is just beginning. it looks like they have their work cut out for them there. all right. we're having trouble with david's audio there. we'll check back in with him. come back tomorrow morning

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. welcome back to "up." we are going to head out to new hampshire right now. vaughn hilliard is there. i can hear the crowds already. vaughn, tell us where you are and what's going on. who is there with you? >> we're outside of the arena here in manchester, new hampshire. as you see cory booker just arrived. he just came down from the hotel. obviously you're hearing cory booker now address the crowd here. we were going to talk to him, but obviously he's got a bigger crowd than us here right now to talk to. you have 19 presidential candidates here including cory booker, they will be addressing thousands of people here at the arena in manchester. essentially we're five months

out from the new hampshire primary. each of these candidates have ten minutes to address thousands of folks that will be in the arena. inside there's 1400 delegates. these are the biggest activists across the state of new hampshire. this is open to the public as well. when you're looking at where this race is, cory booker, as you can see here, you know, we often talk about joe biden, elizabeth warren, who is from neighboring massachusetts, from bernie sanders from neighboring vermont, somebody like cory booker built an infrastructure here. he has more than 30 staffers on the ground. when you talk to the campaign that i say we built up an infrastructure, a grass-roots movement here that is in position to carry cory booker to a stellar performance in this state of new hampshire. as you can see, one of these mornings here, you're looking at the cory booker crowd. you have the elizabeth warren wing. you have the beto o'rourke wing, the joe biden folks. this scene started to qudevelop

this morning at 3:00, 4:00 a.m. this is early state politicking as we enter the fall here. >> vaughn, let me ask you a question. we're looking at cory booker now. he has a crowd. you mentioned there are crowds for each of the candidates. how does this compare in terms of excitement? is it safe to say people are jazzed for cory booker? or when elizabeth warren comes out is it the same thing? is it hard to judge who is doing well here in new hampshire at this stage? >> exactly. i think a lot of it is showing that grassroots, volunteer support. i don't think anybody will argue cory booker is one of the most revved up candidates you'll find on the campaign trail. i think this is the exact type of atmosphere that cory booker likes and thrives off of as you're watching this. it's fun to watch what the activists do in the state.

i think -- i will let you hear from cory booker for one moment. >> all right, vaughn. sit tight for a second. we hear his supporters chanting that i believe we will win. let's bring in our panel. a lot of momentum. they got the soccer chants. cory booker is in new hampshire -- oh, vaughn has goat him. >> we'll jump in with the senator here. we got you live here. tell us this, all right? people see poll numbers, people say we're five months out. what does today mean, new hampshire, what does it mean for your campaign? >> new hampshire is the first of the nation primary. it's really exciting. this is where you see what really matters. it's not the polls, but who goes to the polls. so i'm very excited about this being a moment in america where we begin to refocus in on the campaign. i'm excited about building to win. >> what is your message to the folks here in new hampshire? the scene here, you have clergy,

you have a lot of activity here. you'll have thousands of people inside. what's your message specifically when you go to that stage? >> my big message is that this has got to be a time in our country where we talk about unity, about healing. we have a president that is trying to divide, denigrate, demean people. it's time we lift folks up. it's time we bring people together. i'm excited to be the candidate that can help to unify this nation, bring us back together so we can work on a common problem and return to a sense of common cause in this nation. we have real enjuinjustice and challenges. we can't keep turning against each other, we have to turn to each other. >> that was senator cory booker. one of the 19 presidential candidates that will be addressing thousands here in manchester, new hampshire, five months out from the primary. >> vaughn hilliard right there in the crowd. thank you very much. i'll bring this out to our panel. it's one thing to have that kind

of excitement, momentum, enthusiasm when you have a bullhorn and you have your supporters around you. we're heading into the debates next week. it's another thing to bring that kind of energy on a quiet stage when you have just a minute to answer a question, 30 seconds to rebut. how key is it for cory booker and the other candidates to bring that energy there? do you think he's going to do that next week? is that something we can expect, liz? >> before i go to that, i have to say that was also an incredible moment for tulsi gabbert. her billboard was in the background. tulsi, you had your moment. i feel like it was super good for you. as far as what they'll bring, it's interesting. i feel like as we watched the debates thus far, cory booker brought energy. he brought points. he made his -- he's done a bit of mic dropping. he has note resonated. so what is that?

i think what's playing out for me is just what does the democratic establishment represent to voters who are excited? i went to an elizabeth warren rally in minnesota this summer. there's 15,000 -- they had to move it three times. there's 15,000 people. it was a diverse audience of age and race and gender. she was authentic and she's gaining momentum. so it's, it's what do you lay out and not just enthusiasm. i really feel that. >> i think along with cory booker, beto o'rourke, those two candidates have been among the biggest disappointments in the field. when it's so big it's hard to break out. you have joe biden and bernie sanders and elizabeth warren dominating at the top. you heard cory booker tell vaughn hillyard that it's not just who's going to the polls,

but who's going to the polls to vote for you. he could break out and he could very well become the nominee. none of us know. at this point where was donald trump in the polls in 2015? so it's a similar situation. with joe biden, on the other hand, we saw him defeating donald trump in the poll in wisconsin earlier this week. obviously wisconsin was key to the president's victory in 2016. but that poll i think goes to the central argument of biden's campaign. which is i am the most electable candidate. it's not about a grand vision or grand ideology like bernie sanders or elizabeth warren are pushing right now. it's about hey i'm the guy who can beat donald trump. that's what joe biden is trying to sell as he goes on the trail. >> would you say it's about electability, not about enthusiasm? or does joe biden have to worry? he's been out ahead but does he have to worry about elizabeth warren creeping up? >> i think there is some level of enthusiasm that is needed but i think electability especially

in this election with trump being the main target. i know before biden got in the race and it's like don't make this all about trump. this election has become about trump. bass of that voters are looking for the person who seems like the safest bet. i think at this point the top three candidates seem like the safest bet and i think elizabeth warren has done herself a really good, has done a really good job in setting herself up to be one of those three. biden does have to worry. biden can't sit there and be like okay, i am the anointed democratic democratic winner. hillary, we saw that in 2016. they played that up and sanders definitely puts a wedge in at least the voter enthusiasm it seems like for turnout when it came to november. >> i think a lot of democrats are thinking we shouldn't be sparring so much over issues like whether you think there should be a public option for

health care. how far does your medicare for all plan go? how much of student loan debt are you going to relief? what are the specifics of your plans. obviously very important. i hear from a lot of democrats, particularly on capitol hill who are fired up and ready to defeat the president. that these internal battles could have the potential down the line. not now, but down the line to hurt the party long-term. as you face off against donald trump in a general election where you're not going to be talking about with donald trump on the stage the specifics of your health care plan and the specifics of your foreign policy and other things, right? it's going to be as you said pervez,en election about the personality of donald trump and things like that. >> yes, but i also feel like folks who are living in the world and who are living in america and who are desperate, who have been desperately harmed by policies like you know, what happens when you've got obamacare in what happened when obamacare happened and we didn't take it to the next logical conclusion to really better

obamacare. i have a student, i have debt, i want to see my future. i don't. for how the people on capitol hill get it versus how the people who have been generally affected by it. and they really want answers because nobody gives them answers. that's a subset that's real. and that's what your energized base is. and if you want to bring people to the polls that we constantly complain about, young people, getting those white women over to vote for a democrat instead of trump again, like, it feels a little bit like the democratic party and the establishment is still calling or slightly referring to those things as wedge issues when they're really the things that really matter to people and they want answers. >> it's been a pleasure, you've been incredibly restrained in terms of touching the doughnut. thank you guys so much for being here. and make sure you tune back in tomorrow, we'll be joined by 2020 contender steve bullock along with eli stokols,

christina lehrer, here on msnbc. 2020 contenders getting ready to take the stage in new hampshire's democratic confab, next. as a struggling actor,

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carolina with the latest on hurricane dorian and will be joining us later in the hour. we'll be keeping an eye on the death toll that's been rising in the bahamas, we begin in new hampshire where the 2020 democrats set their sights on the first primary state in the nation. this weekend, 19 presidential hopefuls will descend on mam manchester for new hampshire's democratic convention. as contenders make their pitch to voters. candidates are likely to spend a record-breaking $is 50 million in the state this cycle, as you will this as the gop makes it difficult for a candidate to make a move gas donald trump. south carolina, nevada, arizonaing and kansas, we've got our political reporters standing by in new hampshire, vaughn hillyard and "new york times" mimi rocha, former u.s. assistant district attorney and

bazell smikle, democratic strategist and former executive director of the new york state democratic party. thank you, guys so much for being here. first let's go out to nbc's vaughn hillyard and mike memally in manchester new hampshire. we start off with you in the thick of it, mike, what's going on there? >> allison, elizabeth warren as you can see behind us here, just arrived to the convention hall. this is the big new hampshire democratic democratic party state convention. 19 presidential candidate are here, they'll each have 10 minutes to speak inin front of not only the party activists but the likes of thousands of members of the public. elizabeth warren is the latest to arrive here. greeting her supporters now, we're going to get a shot as she drops in here. we'll have a shot here real fast. they're telling us no questions here. we may throw something here at

her. but essentially -- >> come on -- >> yeah. >> made you do it. >> senator, senator and -- >> senator warren, live on ms -- >> win, win, warren. >> you know what, allison, i guess she has some front-runner -- allison we're going to toss it, let's toss it to mike inside, all right? >> yes, vaughn you got some great visuals. senator warren and you get an a for effort. mike memmaly inside where things are more quiet. i imagine it's going to get exciting in there, too, mike, what's going on? >> well, as only vaughn could do, he's trying to give you a little of the flavor on the ground. i'm giving you a little zoom-out big picture.

we're going to hear from 19 presidential candidates starting with the front-runner, former vice president joe biden will be the first up at the end of the hour. and we've been talking about this campaign now. all year. i've been covering it since it got under way and it does feel at this point like despite the large, historically large field of candidates that really talking about a three-person race at this point. but the reason that new hampshire prides itself on being first in the nation, the reason that it argues that it should hold that preeminent position of all the primaries and this is the 100th anniversary of it being the first in the nation is any candidate. even if they're not the biggest name, even if they don't have the most resources can come into the state where retail politics is so critical and one by one voter by voter begin to win over by the sheer power of their message, people and catapult themselves into contention. for those 16 other candidates who are trying to break through, who haven't maybe made the debate stage next week. this opportunity to talk to them, party activists, the

grassroots energy of the new hampshire democratic party, this is a critical opportunity for them and we'll hear from all of them in the next few hours. >> any message in particular that you're keeping an eye on. some at the convention that can make a mark with this group? >> it's interesting, allison, one of the campaigns that i've been hearing as somebody who spent a lot of time in new hampshire over the years is probably one of the best organized is cory booker. he has some of the top leadership in the state. seasoned operatives. talking about the sign war that vaughn was trying to contend with, all the action and energy and noise outside on the street, we saw a strong presence from cory booker and kamala harris and joe biden. who is the front-runner who didn't have the biggest crowd presence, despite being the front-runner and leading in the polls even in new hampshire, this is a state where they're downplaying expectations, he's going to have the first speaking

slot and it will be an important most for him to show all the optimism and enthusiasm that some other candidates are generate something also behind his candidacy as well. >> we send it back out to vaughn, senator warren going tore one more question there, you think can you do it? let's go. i have faith? >> we're going to give this one more shot here, senator. senator -- real fast, msnbc you're live real fast. your message here to the thousands of people that you're going to be talking to momentarily. >> we can do this in 2020. this is what it's all about, real change. and it comes from the people. that's what makes it work. >> thank you, senator. >> well there you go. we got feedback if senator warren here. yes. >> did you it, my friend.

we very much appreciate your efforts there. great to hear from you and from cory booker, thank you, vaughn. we send it out to the panel now. in the earlier hour we heard from cory booker, quite a crowd, he had his megaphone out, people were cheering, you see senator elizabeth warren working up the crowd. how important is a day like this, to kind of connect with voters? is this a big deal? >> it's a huge deal. there's a huge sense of relief. after three and a half years of just watching donald trump tweeting, and looking at policies that they feel very strongly about, i'm very upset over, we can now participate in politics and i think that's very exciting. this is essentially america's political super bowl and it's just beginning. i think for the democrats this is all about geotv. get out the vote. they're going to have to excite their base to compete -- gotv. and getting on the ground and

doing that and greeting voters, this is retail politics is what we call it in the business. this is how you win elections. you go door to door, you hit the ground, you go neighborhood by neighborhood. i think it's refreshing to see the candidates on all sides, out talking to real voters. and listening and hearing what they have to say. a fundamental part of the process. it's just a relief to see that we haven't lost that. >> actually you're right. i think about when i've campaigned about candidates in new hampshire. you go door to door canvassing. these are really, these are voters that pay a whole lot of attention to what's going on to individual candidates and to policy. sufficient to new hampshire with your a game and the pact fact that they pay a lot of attention to retail politics, they don't just vote party label. but for the person. when you talk about things like electability and enthusiasm. i will always say enthusiasm is

contagious, when you have voters and supporters who are passionate about the candidates and the issues. for a voter that's on the fence, who hasn't decided yet, that enthusiasm wears off so it's incredibly important. the energy is palpable. and i love that. >> it's just -- it's like you're saying, it's so good to have some positive energy at this point. as opposed to just the anti-trump energy. though it is in part fueling the positive energy. we know that any one of these candidates. but the passion is what's refreshing. >> i think that's so important. because something that's dangerous i believe about president trump, is just the nihilism, that he trite trooied to create the sense of hopelessness among americans, where people feel like they can't participate and have a say

in their own government. seeing americans of whatever party come out and participate and take their own democracy into their own hands, is just a sign that our democracy is doing okay. despite many attacks i think over the past several years by this president. >> if you look at the video there's no sign of hopelessness here. people dancing, using megaphones, cheering whether it's elizabeth warren, cory booker. basel, is there a candidate that you're looking to, to say i want see something strong from this candidate. >> you talked about cory booker earlier. one of the things i've been paying attention to with cory is there's a threat of this message that can resonate with voters, if you take the old ronald reagan, is your life better off now than it was four years ago. there's a riff on that, that i think is important for democrats. under donald trump what have you lost in the last four years since he's been made president. he made that point on the debate

stage. i would love to see that become part of the larger democratic message. when we look at things like the economy. incumbents typically run on. i don't know that that makes as much of a dent this time. as maybe affordability. the threat of what have you lost? what rights have been taken away since donald trump has been president? if you're a farmer, if you're a manufacturer, based on the trade war, what, what what has been taken away from you in terms of markets that are available to your small business? those are points that become salient for a lot of those voters in those three states that democrats didn't get the 80,000 votes in in 2016? >> we're talking about democrats in new hampshire, but we mentioned earlier republicans, talking about canceling some primary caucuses, not because there is lack of a challenge to president trump. i mean we have people standing up and saying hey, i'm a republican and this is not okay with me. is this all an effort to protect the president?

>> it's interesting because when you said what have people lost? we feel like we've lost some of our democracy and this is emblematic of that. you hear something like that and you know, i know we use this analogy all the time. are we in this 1984 orwellian state already? yes, in some ways we are. doing away with primaries, to make sure that trump is the nominee, seems like a symbol of that. i hope they don't let that happen. it's not going to be my primary. but you know, i hope for democracy they don't let that happen. >> i think the republicans have several years ago made the decision that they were all in with this president. and you saw the nascent signs of descent within the party. which were essentially squelched early on. so this is party that's gone all in for donald trump and his very dark vision. he was very closely to a

republican base that is shrinking. with regard to the rest of the country. and so it's really dangerous. in order to hold on to that power. across the country, not just among democrats, but among others, we have a real tension between what's right for american democracy long-term, and what this particular republican party right knew is invested in. i think the primaries, canceling primaries is one example of that we've been on this road a long time. >> i want to bring up a full screen if we have it. there have been incumbent presidents who have faced primary challenges before, they've lost. let's go back to gerald ford in '76, jimmy carter in '80, george h.w. bush in '92. do you think this is the republican party saying uh-oh, this could be us next? >> it could. but this is the same party that won't bring gun control to a vote. so you know, they'll do everything that they can to protect this president, to your

point. so i was actually said, where's the bernie sanders of the right? someone that says you know what, we've got to democratize this process, we've got to make sure that for the republicans that may be afraid to speak out against donald trump, that there is a way -- we give them a pathway to do that. through this primary process or some other way. until that person emerges, i don't think that person is going to be created. until that person emerges, i think you'll start to see more republicans taking this kind of tactic to insure that the president keeps his platform. and not to mention the fact they're afraid of him. let's put that out there, too. so i don't see this changing. >> we've got to leave it there for now. still ahead, 2020 contender tom steyer joins us, getting ready to address the new hampshire convention later. but first dire conditions in the bahamas. the latest on those left in the wake of hurricane dorian's destruction. every day, visionaries are creating the future.

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you can't move all of you at one time. but the boats will be coming in and aircraft. >> welcome back to "up." that was the prime minister of the bahamas stressing calm as thousands attempt to leave the devastated islands. rescue missions are still under way in search for the overwhelming number of people still unaccounted for. the official death toll rose to

43 overnight. but the prime minister says he expects that number to grow significantly. as the scope of dorian's damage becomes clear. and nbc's morgan chesky is on the ground. i know you've been in the islands all week long. you've been looking at the islands, devastating. i can only imagine the death toll of 43 people sounds small compared to what you've seen this week. >> unfortunately that is the case. and we haefrd from a spokesperson with the prime minister last night. essentially saying that while it sits at 43 right now, they anticipate it to go up and they went on to say significantly, go up. and that's what is so disheartening. from the damage we have seen from the air and on the ground when we did visit abaco island, we do know that the true extent of dorian's damage has yet to be seen. because we know that rescue crews with the coast guard are still going to those outlying areas that have been cut off from communication.

checking to see if there are any survivors still there. officials know that the bodies from these, in these hard-hit areas still have yet to be accounted for. the prime minister of health here in the bahamas telling me the other day that he believes that hundreds, if not thousands are still missing. so you hear that and you realize that as bad as it is already, it only looks to get worse. there's a bit of a silver lining in that with airports opening up in the northern bahamas, some massive relief efforts are finally starting to gain traction. we do know that private agencies are here, we know that they're working hand in hand with the government that's promised to reach those people that are cut off. and bring them food and bring them most importantly clean drinking water which has become a precious commodity at this time. you can hear the helicopters behind me, the rescue and relief mission just getting started. >> morgan, it's hard for people to imagine what the devastation is like if you haven't

experienced it firsthand. can you talk us through a little bit of what you've seen. i know it's been nothing short of horrific. upon landing in the harbor the other day, hours after the airport opened up. when we went into the town, i've covered natural disasters before i've had a chance to see what an ef-5 tornado can do when it hit moore, oklahoma in 2013. but there in the northern bahamian island of abaco, i kept waiting to drive out of the damage to reach an area that had been untouched. and there simply was not one. as far as you looked, dorian's impact was everywhere. allison? >> morgan, thanks so much. we've heard stories of people saying it smells like death absolutely awful there. we're going to turn to the devastation in north carolina. not nearly as bad as the bahamas , but they're still experiencing hurricane dorian's wake. the full impact of hurricane

dorian making its way from cape hatteras to nag's head. david gurian, we see the wreckage behind you. it looks like a home torn apart there. >> i'm standing a few hundred yards from the beach. people who aren't familiar with the carolina coast may not know a lot of condominium communities are built right up against the dunes. as you see here behind me, this is a whole roof. pieces of sheet metal welded together that slid off of the building next to the one we're standing next to onto the parking lot. littering it with wood, nails everywhere, insulation that covered the parking lot. almost like snow. what we have seen here in these last few hours are contractors coming to this community, coming to others here up along this highway looking to see what the damage is and the curfew has been lifted here in this community. that was lifted at 8:00 eastern time. you need a permit now. not everybody can come back into this community. that's done on a tiered level.

people are making their way back to check on the damage. as you see there's still roofing material on the condominium complex next to me. what's happening now is people are coming back and the state is assessing what the damage is as well. you, you were in the bahamas just a moment ago. i have to say people here were cognizant of what happened with this storm and the bahamas and this gave them a great sense of worry. this was a huge storm, we began to see the pictures as we waited for the storm to arrive here. like morgan saying the coast guard in the bahamas, the heroes in the aftermath of that disaster. the coast guard playing a huge role here as well. there were three coast guard flights to the island of ocracoke, a small barrier island there. there was a mandatory evacuation in place, everyone was supposed to leave the county that i'm in, dare county. some 800, 900 people on the island of ocracoke did not do that. there were two flights of

supplies to that community. as the water levels began to recede. we understand an elderly couple was air-lifted from that community as well. people assessing what's going on here. beginning to look at the extent of the damage. what you're seeing emblematic of the worst damg we've seen in the northern part of the outer banks. we make our way southward, take highway 12 to south hatteras, see what the damage is as the barrier islands narrow and we get more removed from the coast. >> we'll send it back to new hampshire where vaughn hillyard is on the ground. what's going on there now? >> here at the new hampshire democratic party state convention here, there's thousands of folks outside to give you an idea why there are this many people here this early in the morning. the 19 presidential candidates are here in manchester, all addressing thousands of people inside of the arena here behind us here later. the candidates are volunteers, activists. we're here in the middle of kamala harris' scrum here.

she just through the air horn just addressed the crowd. as you can see here -- we'll try to catch the senator here real fast. >> we've seen you do it before, vaughn, we've got faith. >> i lived in san francisco for 20 years, i know the work that you do. will you promise when elected as president, you will end family separation and you'll work with congress to -- >> yes, okay, we have witnesses. >> you're getting a sense of the scene here, allison. >> we need, if you know my record in snow, you don't need to question that. you need to talk to about that.

you don't need to talk to me about that. >> will you campaign on that? >> i have been. where have you been, you're not paying attention. >> first 1 00 days. >> we'll be watching. >> senator, you and everybody are alive on msnbc right now. what is your message here? is you're seeing not only clergy folk, but also supporters, five months out from the primary what is your message? >> my message is that we are all in this together and we all have so much more in common than what separates us and we are going to reject these voices and in particular this president, who has been fanning the flames of hate, who has been fanning the flames of xenophobia. who has been vilifying our immigrants, who has been, trying to make us frankly weaker. we are stronger than this, we are better than this, we are all in it together. the people who are here, are representative of who we are as a nation. knowing we all have so much more in common than what separates us, we are prepared to fight or

our country. fight for the soul of our country. a fight borne out of love of country and this is a fight we will win. >> everybody across the country. what do they need to know about your campaign right now? >> that we are working every day. we are talking to folks, on the street. we are hosting town halls, we are going to do everything that's necessary to make sure everybody gets out to vote and we register folks to vote and we're going to empower folks and we're going to get this done. >> thank you, senator. >> appreciate it. >> allison, senator kamala harris. one of 19 presidential candidates to address the thousands of folks here. and as you see, this is early state politicking, whether you go to iowa, the state fair, the state convention here. essentially right behind where we're standing here this is elm street in downtown manchester, the main street of manchester. you're talking to volunteers from all over. not only new hampshire. but you also have folks coming in from massachusetts, vermont. this is the epicenter of the presidential politics right now. five months out from the new hampshire primary.

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this is-up i'm allison morris, 2020 candidates and voters have made it clear that climate change is a top priority. earlier this week, 10 of the democratic contenders faced questions from voters on their plans to stem the crisis in a climate town hall. one candidate who did not make it to the town hall, billionaire activist and philanthropist tom steyer, who hosted his own town hall saying he plans on calling the climate crisis a national emergency should he make it to the white house. joining me from new hampshire. democratic candidate and billionaire philanthropist tom steyer. thanks for being here. >> allison, thank you so much for having me. >> you said on day one you would declare climate change a national emergency. you made billions of dollars, made a lot of money working for a hedge fund that invested in fossil fuels and coal mining,

for people who cannot reconcile those two things, what do you say? >> listen when i was investing money, we invested in every part of the economy. over time i came to realize that some parts of the economy had unintended bad consequences for the american people. so i divested from all fossil fuels, i took the giving pledge and for the last ten years i've been organizing coalitions of ordinary americans to take on the oil companies, we've been beating them at the ballot box. to take on utilities and force them to create clean energy and we've been beating them at the ballot box and to push as hard as i can on climate. what i've asking everybody in america, is to do exactly what i did. i realized that we're coming from a fossil fuel-based economy. and we need to make a transition and we need to do it as fast as possible, allison. that's what i did and that's what i'm asking everybody else to do. >> why a national emergency?

why not try to work with congress once you get in there and do it that way before you make it an executive decision? >> well i've said that i would give congress 100 days to pass some version of the green new deal. but if you study the science and understand the timing of what's going on, it is an emergency. it is a threat to the health and safety of every american. we need to get going on it on day one and we need to create an international coalition because this is a global problem. unless we've made it job one, how can we go to the rest of the world and ask them to make it job one? so in fact, it's not just to get our house in order, it's so we can lead the world to actually solve the problem on a global basis. mara gay from the "new york times" editorial board has a question for you. >> thanks, mr. steyer. nice to see you.

there's about 20 folks running for president, more than that, can you tell us a little bit about your decision to spend your energy on the campaign trail running for president rather than helping democrats win senate races? or putting your money in energy and time in that direction? >> well let me say this -- i started one of the largest grassroots nations in the united states, next gen america, which has been dedicated. in 2018 we did the largest youth voter mobilization in american history. started a number of grassroots things in terms of knocking on doors with our partners in the union and registering a million and a half americans. but let me say this. i have guaranteed that those activities will continue. that next general america will do everything that it would have done. i'm running for president because i think there's something that urgently needs to be said. that we need a mandate to break

the corporate strengthlehold on our government. that in effect the federal government has failed. and unless we take back our democracy, restore government of, by, and for the people, that we won't get any of the policy agenda items that progressives like me and the people of america desperately want. we won't get health care for everything. we won't get the kind of education system that americans deserve. we won't get a living wage. and we won't be able to guarantee clean air and clean water for every american. so i am running because i felt that the key point was being missed. which is that corporations have taken over the government. and i feel after ten years of fighting them and beating them. that i'm the person who can lead that fight. >> let me ask you this question, you've spent millions of dollars, have not yet qualified for the debate. you're i believe one poll away from october. i know that. but you've spent millions of dollars, called this president

corrupt. you're pushing for impeachment there how do you get that message out? how do you do that if you're not making it to the debate stage if you don't move up in terms of democratic candidates? >> well i've been in this race for about seven weeks and in the four early primary states where i've been spending my time as you said. i'm sitting right now in new hampshire. in the four early primary states where people have heard my message, i'm in fourth or fifth place, they haven't run a poll in those states in five weeks. the only way to get the fifth poll is for someone to run a poll. so in terms of succeeding and for people responding to my message, that's happening better than i could have expected after seven weeks, so actually i'm going to keep doing what i've been doing for the last section'sen weeks, which is going out -- seven weeks, talking to the american voters, this corporate stranglehold, saying what i'd do about it. telling what i've done in the

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welcome back to "up." hurricane dorian pounding the bahamas wreaking havoc on parts of the lower eastern seaboard this past week. the latest in a string of extreme weather events which many scientists attribute to global warming. meanwhile overnight "the new york times" reported the justice department has opened an antitrust investigation into an emissions pact between california and four major automakers. the report says the deal goes against president trump's recent roll-backs of climate regulations. earlier in the week the administration announced a reversal of energy efficient light bulb standards, scheduled to go into effect early next year and npr writes critics of the reversal say it will mean higher energy bills and more pollution. the white house recently proposed easing methane regulation which is the epa said would save money for the gas and oil industry. on wednesday at a town hall many democrats hoping to replace the president shared their vision for our changing climate.

>> this is a difficult issue, nobody has a magical solution, i don't. but this is not just an american issue. this is an issue that impacts the entire world. we have to be able to demonstrate what we are prepared to do. what we will do. what we have done and call the rest of the world to account. >> the president is busy drawing with a sharpie on a hurricane map? he's completely in a different reality. >> you rightly point out about nuclear energy. it's not carbon-based. but the problem is it's got a lot of risks associated with it. >> listen we have to figure out what we're going to do about the waste. we still don't have the best ideas yet. >> people who think that we can get there without nuclear being part of the blend, just aren't looking at the facts. >> we can't fall into this trap this false dichotomy that what's good for the planet is bad for the economy. >> who are the corporate polluters and how are you going to go after them? >> i think there are too many to

count. >> you heard the democratic candidates talk about their plans for climate change. you've heard the things going on this week in the administration. cot democrats and president trump be any further apart on the environmental crises and climate change here? >> not at all. we're hearing two different visions for the country. and for the world. i think americans are so polarized. just culturally. the notion that the trump administration and that the attorney general would bring a suit against these states who have been following, california has been leading on this issue. on emissions for years. in the same way that new york city led on banning cigarettes in indoor areas. the idea that we wouldn't want to roll back the clock on that i can't figure out what's going on behind the scenes. i don't know if it's lobbyists have taken over the white house? or been given the keys to the white house? or if it's some kind of cynical

cultural move, a play to the base ahead of an election for donald trump. it's heartbreaking because those of us living in the real world and realize that climate change is already wreaking havoc on the world realize that we're wasting time. we're losing time. and i think that that's the message that democrats understand, is not just the right thing, but also is a winning message. this is not a partisan issue, this is a global crisis. >> the one that just leaves me scratch scratching me head. light bulbs were taken time to roll back standards on light bulbs? that one -- that leaves me laughing. i don't see the point there. >> there's a denial of science overall. which is part of the larger problem. i always go back to there's a moment after superstorm sandy, when barack obama goes to visit new jersey and hugs chris christie. governor chris yistie and

christie gets dragged for it because he's embracing -- my issues with chris christie aside. he's embracing a democratic president who offered support. after a storm. where all of us talked afterwards about how climate change and the need to improve our infrastructure and the need to improve our readiness for such disasters was front and center. and to me it just seems that there's a penalty for trying to get america in terms of our infrastructure, in terms of our readiness, to get us to not only embrace the science behind it, but also as andrew yang said, there's no penalty, there's no loss of business or prestige by embracing the changes that are going on in our world. and this president just does not want any, not only does he not want any part of it. it seems like he's actually directing businesses and directing his government to go in the completely other direction. and i think the rest of the world is laughing at him as a result of that. >> here we've got this fire going, right?

and not only is trump fueling the fire. but he's telling people -- you can't do anything to stop, put the fire out. that's what's going on with the department of justice lawsuit investigation. of the antitrust in california. i mean it's, it's not just i'm going to roll it back. i'm going to hurt the environment more by cutting back on regulations. but you can't on your own voluntarily you know, do something to help the environment. that is such a political use of the department of justice. i think what's fueling that is his anger that someone here is doing something you know that he doesn't like. and the fact that bill barr would allow the department of justice to be used like that, as a political tool. i mean i know we say this a lot, but we got to keep saying it, that's not how it's supposed to work. that's not what the department of justice is for. >> we have to leave it there we're going to head back to new hampshire where the democrats are assembling before their party faithful. that's why the nl chose verizon.

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vaughn, you've been talking to everybody out there today. what's going on there now? >> yeah, hey there allison. the speeches are going to begin inside you've got 19 presidential candidates here at the new hampshire state democratic party convention. convention. this is a huge day in new hampshire. this is the biggest i'll call it the candidates that new hampshire will see. we are five months away from the new hampshire primary, but you've got thousands of not only activists but state officials and members of the public and you've been following the coverage this morning, seen a lot of the presidential candidates come out and address a lot of their activists and volunteers, organizers out here. i want to say this line, though, is not to see a candidate, but to get ice cream from none other than the famed ben & jerry themselves. i want to call over ben hoe ken here. ben, hey, ben, we're up. >> i guess it was harder to get to them than the candidates, vaughn. >> reporter: we're up. hey, ben, all right, so we're

live on msnbc, make it clear to the audience, you are here for -- >> bernie! >> reporter: and you have known bernie how long? >> 40, 38 years. several decades. >> reporter: you're also a surrogate for? >> i'm a supporter, i'm a huge supporter, a huge fan, yes, i'm one of the co-chairs of the campaign. >> reporter: you go on the campaign trail quite a bit. >> i have been on the trail. >> reporter: we're in new hampshire this morning. what kind of ice cream are you serving up this morning? >> to answer the second question first, we're serving up cookie dough for bernie, jerry garcia for bernie and new york super fudge chunk. >> reporter: can you hold up your hand real fast? >> hold up my hand, you want to see, you want a close up, whoa. >> beautiful. >> reporter: what leads you to be involved with bernie sanders? you've known him for a long time. what's the message? >> i've been amazed at the consistency of his values. i've never seen a politician who is so committed to so many

progressive causes. you know, kind of against all these crazy, endless wars for providing medicare for all. >> reporter: will you tell me, we're neighboring new hampshire, you guys are next door over in vermont. what is it about here in the new england area that makes people attracted to bernie sanders? >> just that he's real, that he's authentic, that he's what you see is what you get, and the tremendous dedication and a 40-year record of fighting for justice, economic justice, social justice, racial justice, environmental justice. i mean, the whole range. if you think about what would it be like if our country was run for the benefit of regular, everyday people, that's what bernie's about. currently it's run for

corporations. >> reporter: thank you very much. ben cohen. >> good rocking with you. >> reporter: surrogate of bernie sanders and of ben & jerry's ice cream. things will wind up more, joe biden will be taking the stage along with 18 other presidential candidates, including bernie sanders here in manchester, new hampshire. alison? >> vaughn, i thought we got messy here with the doughnuts. that was good stuff with the ice cream. this is david gura's show. i am just filling in for him today but you are really holding it down there in new hampshire, getting everybody. vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. >> reporter: thank you, my friend. as we talk about ben & jerry's actively, the ceo matthew mccarthy will join me expanding on how they're taking on criminal justice reform ahead of lester holt's special town hall "justice for all" tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. also tomorrow, ranking member robert bethen in dez tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m., right here on "up." margette, mimi, and al,

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another story broke along these same lines, which i mean this is just, this is the part of the evening where i get to the thing that's just truly bonkers. this story just came out within the last hour. if you have not seen it yet, you are going to want to sit down. you are going to want to spend a little bit of time with this. this is the headline just out from politico tonight. "air force crew made an odd stop on a routine trip, trump's scottish resort." >> good morning, and welcome to "a.m. joy." as you just heard from rachael maddow, last night politico broke a major news story about a particular way that donald trump has benefited from being president. the u.s. of government resources at trump's private properties. in this case according to politico abair national guard crew making a routine trip from the u.s. to kuwait made an unusual stop way up north at trump's turnberry golf course in scotland. "since april, the house

oversight committee has been investigating why the crew on the c-17 military transport plane made the unusual stay, both en route to the middle east and on the way back, at the lux ray waterside resort. ard cou according to several people familiar with the incident but they have yet to receive any answers from the pentagon." according to politico previous trips taken by the crew had landed at u.s. airbases in europe, and members were surprised by the new itinerary. one crew member was so struck by the choice of hotel, markedly different than the marriotts and hiltons that the 176th maintenance squad ron is used to, that he texted someone close to him and told him about the stay, sending a photo and noting that the crew's per diem allowance wasn't enough to cover food and drinks at the ritzy resort." on friday, the house judiciary committee and oversight committees publicly revealed a series of letters that they sent earlier this week to both the white house and the trump

organization requesting information about trump's habit of directing government spending to his family's businesses and properties. it's spending that could directly violate the constitution's foreign and domestic emoluments clauses which prohibit the president from earning money for himself from foreign or domestic government sources. the judiciary and oversight committees are demanding information about now example of donald trump's companies profiting off his presidency, namely vice president mike pence's recent official trip to dublin, ireland, where he stayed at a trump-owned property, located clearly the other side of the country, more than 180 miles from where his meetings were in dublin. here's how pence attempted to justify that. >> the opportunity to stay at trump national in doonbay to accommodate the security footprint and other personnel made it logical.

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