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i'm headed to the "today" show. but stay with us. >> welcome to sunday. i'm david gura. president trump planned a secret meeting with the leaders of the taliban camp david days before the 18th anniversary on of terror attacks on 9/11 which led to the war on afghanistan and the tal bans. it was unbeknownst to almost everyone. the president decided to cancel the summit and talks with the taliban. a live reaction to this news about senator bob menendez, ranking member of the senate foreign relations committee will join me live. and the latest from the bahamas as the official death toll continues to rise. and new developments in the startling story that u.s. military stopovers in scotland at the trump family's golf

course. plus, the premium group's pay to stay at trump properties and what they hope to get in return. we will begin with the secret summit he scheduled, then scrapped. here in new york is ely stoke, and political science at fordham, and chris lu, cabinet secretary to president obama at the miller center at the university of virginia. the longest war in u.s. history shows no signs of ending. president trump says he has ended talks with the taliban that would have brought home more american troops. in a series of tweets he raised the "spectre" of the taliban to the president of afghanistan. he says they would have happened separately. and he said he called them off. the reason being, a suicide bomb attack in kabul this week that killed 12 people. among them, an american soldier. he then went on to question the

taliban's seriousness to negotiate. the taliban had not agreed to agreement, adding it cans in a raises the questions this is what president trump had to say about the war in afghanistan last week. >> it has not been easy for our country because we're serving as policemen more than we are anything else. we're like policemen in afghanistan. but we're talking to the taliban. we're talking to the government. we will see 23 we can do something. it's been a long time. we have great warriors there. we have great soldiers. but they're not acting as soldiers. they're acting as policemen. and that's not their job. >> you and your colleagues at defense one have been reporting on this. khalilzad had a meeting in doha. nine rounds of talk. how surprised, how shocked you

were of this announcement by president trump last night? >> i was as shocked as anyone else is. that's why it is making front page headlines and your show as well today. i didn't know there was going to be this talk. i'm not surprised how it has been called off, though. one of the biggest questions as defense reporters, what is president trump going to leave behind in afghanistan? we know he wants to draw down troops, we know it will be conditions based. we didn't get ahlens on this until the last week and a half or so, going back to the first press conference of the pentagon just over last week. we were able to really put the question to the chairman of the joint chiefs and mark esper about whether or not the u.s. will leave counterterrorism operations on the ground. it comes down to what does america want to do, what's the goal in afghanistan? if the goal is to keep pressure low enough to allow peace in the future to happen, the u.s. has to have a counterterrorism in country. so we knew there was going to be

some force left. not really a full pullout. not the political promise trump had. but the negotiations seemed to be messier than ever. they are all these reports that pompeo and bolton are not talking to the inner agency. republicans have very split on this. all the national security leaders in the party don't want to pull out the way the party does. they are not ready for talks to proceed. >> when you look at these three sweets altogether. you're a student of the president, the way he operates. how much of you is in disbelief. he brings it as something happen planned. there is a whiff of is this real. was this actually in the works. . >> i'm in disbelief at this point that i could still be thrown into disbelief by anything that he does. this was one of those moments where you do step back and say, oh, my, go, this is a thing. this were isn't the president tweeting a cat video. >> which he did last night.

. >> he did that as well. unbeknownst to almost everyone, this was -- northern really knew about this. he is just putting this out to announce that the meeting is off, which is a strange move. it's characteristic for him in the way he deals with diplomacy basically on twitter, the way he tries to act tough and look tough, project toughness not just to people around the world and other leaders but people at home and his base looking firm. this seems like something where it's largely a pretext to move away from doing something that is not fully cooked yet. i don't have all the answers on exactly how this went down. it seems pretty likely john bolton would be one of those people. you can hear when the president speaks about this saying the people over there are policemen. he wants to bring the troops back. he looks at foreign policy, military commitments as things that cost him or the u.s. money. he would like to wash his hands of everything and say you guys worry about that over there. john bolton, for as much as he

has been sidelined in this administration, still has an ability, as do a lot of republicans who are hawkish foreign policy republicans on the hill and the senate, to say to this president, look, before we bring these troops home, there are some really serious geopolitical and security concerns that we have to deal with. we can't just bring everybody home. it seems like this is not fully cooked yet. as for why he has to put it on twitter and project toughness, that's a question that we don't know the answers to yet and may require also some psychologists. . >> chris, this is something that frustrated three presidents. george w. bush, president obama for whom you worked, and now president trump. the fact that there would be a summit like this. i go back to 2007. president karzai going to camp david with george w. bush. laura bush was there as well. the message there was very pointed. >> during the obama administration i had the honor

of going to camp david a couple of times. when you go there is a lodge with jimmy carter's notes from back in 1978. you can't help be struck by the history of the place. clearly this is a president who wants his legacy to be a peace maker. it is one reason he has gone to singapore to meet with kim jong-un. i would like to think this is learning that a photo-op that doesn't have clear deliver bibles and enforceable is not worth undertaking. i suppose he got cold feet, whether the tentative agreement would leave two-thirds of troops in afghanistan. nothing is on the level. there is clearly a back story. it was something not because of this unfortunate incident involving an american soldier. >> he wanted his legacy to be a peace maker. yet there is so much ignorance of the history here.

>> right. this is the first time we see a president actively working against reading and learning about the united states. i have people who were born after 9/11 in my classes. these are all historical. when we see a president who doesn't understand the history of the united states with these particular countries, these particular leaders, we are now in, i would argue, a pretty dangerous situation. he doesn't necessarily listen to people who have read, who do understand this. he wants to leave, as you said, he sees this in dollars and cents. i could be using this money for my wall, for things that i want. he doesn't understand infra stru structure and things like that. this is money that's taking away from it. it doesn't have to do with the

larger geopolitical concerns that this nation has. we can hear buzz words that someone has given him right before he goes on to talk to the american people via tweet or usually on the tarmac. >> is secretary of state pompeo is scheduled to be on five morning shows today. we talked about this issue in particular. 30 seconds here. what will you be listening for when the interviews take place today? >> i think you will hear pompeo defend america's presence in the middle east and afghanistan, to say strongly they believe in this war. that's his march or order from the president. but they are not going to do it in a way that will harm conditions on the ground. some phrase like that. playing off what the professor just said, this phrase getting out of forever wars, endless wars has taken hold on the wars. she is right to note that people in this country have a different view of this. it is not right and left leans. you have democratic candidates and this president who want to

pull out. but what this president is learning, once you talk to security experts in this government he has to put on the brakes and he doesn't get what he wants. you need the presence, something other than saying end forever wars, to end the wars. as the general says, as general mattis has been saying this week, the enemy gets a vote. the taliban will keep fighting until something is signed. they're not going to drop their arms and then sign a deal. i think the country needs a little bit more educating on why the united states is in the wars overseas to begin with, why we are still fighting them, why it is still a security imperative. in this case the trump administration. >>er some. sure. kevin, thank you very much. as always, appreciate it. we will continue this later in the show. senator bob menendez will join me live on "up." military stopovers in scotland very close to a trump organization report. dorian may no longer be a

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gratitude as hundreds of bahamian residents make their way to the united states on a cruise ship in the aftermath of hurricane dorian. the storm is making its way past eastern canada this morning. overnight, winds caused a crane to collapse in nova scotia, hitting a building. luckily, no one was injured. recovery efforts continue on the islands of the bahamas. that's where we kind kerry sanders. i saw the leaders of the bahamas referred it to this hour of darkness. give us an update if you would. >> reporter: well, the hurricane refugees here in marsh harbour at the port are lined up again for a ferry to get them out. there is so little reason to stay here because everything we have seen has been flattened. i think you can only say two buildings are standing with generator power. first of all, sir, where will

you go? >> reporter: his english he said is somewhat limited. the folks leaned up, many of them from haiti. they lived in an area known as the mud pigeon cay, which was flattened. they remained here because of the logistics of trying to go from here to wherever they're going to go to next. the real challenge of course is, sadly, there are many, many dead. and the records of who has survived and who has died is a logistical nightmare because so much chaos still exists here on abaco. they are doing their best to take the names of all the people with whatever documents they have, passports, whatever, onto one of the vessels here, the

ferry that brought in a bunch of supplies and now will be taking them to nassau. we will show you the vessel that has been brought in to take the folks out. it's unclear how long the passage will take. they will be there at some pontiac later today. but they are joining so many folks who have descended onto nassau, which is sort of becoming a challenge there, even though the infrastructure was completely untouched, there is a huge, huge challenge, david, of how this is going to play out. at least here they will not be rebuilding. they will have to scrape it clean and then start to build from scratch. one of the big questions is what do you do with all the debris? the beautiful blue water is what makes the about ham moss in many ways the bahamas.

>> stay safe, kerry. thank you so much. there was a big piece in the "new york times" about where the deposit is in all of this. we have seen other caribbean nations helping out. there has been a noticeable absence of government response from the bahamas. . >> right. i think we have to zoom out and sort of look at what has been going on in the caribbean historically. we no longer have these once in every 10 years generation, now we are getting them one after the other. so many caribbean nations are relying on foreign entities to help assist. we want remittances are a way a large number survive. when kerry talks about haitian migrants or refugees in the pwaupls, it is a much more historical conversation that we have not had. we know this particular

administration and president will not have because of his. this needs to be built from scratch. i worry about the investment that will end up in the nations. we know from the hurricane last year and the year before, an tee ga, barbuda, these are nations fighting against wealthy individuals and corporations who want to come in and build and privatize on the tragedies that have happened to native, indigenous people on these islands, which unfortunately is -- i don't know where that goes from there. >> i want to turn to reporting in the "washington post" regarding the president ae's tws on the alabama. noaa were warned not to provide any opinion and to stick with the national hurricane forecast. the paper quoting the national

weather spokesperson said the guidance was to maintain operational focus on dorian and other severe weather hazards without distraction. a known meteorologist said this is the first time i have felt pressure from above to not say what truly is the forecast. chris, i see you nodding here. something is treated sack saint, to provide data we all use and need has been jeopardized by this weird politics. >> let's take a step back. this is not politicization of weather. it follows a pattern that goes to intelligence reports, law enforcement efforts that happened under this administration to simply serve the president's partisan interests. if you take a step back, noaa has this incredibly powerful function to not only help cob serve our oceans, fisheries but provides what we need for climate change. i had the chance with the two

noaa administrators, esteemed scientist, there is none right now in the trump administration. noaa sits within the department of commerce, headed by wilbur ross who tried to politicize we never thought could be politicized. so this is partly a larger pattern. but we need to have good science. pause it's critical to fighting all the challenges, including climate change. >> let's go back to the cat video. a week out after this bubbled up and became an issue here. your reaction to the level of politics we have seen here. we talked about the president in the face of him being wrong on this. what does it tell you? chris, speaking to the broader themes here, things that had been political in the past. >> it's funny you use the word political. it isn't political in arguing over a policy. it's political in the sense that it is about the president, the

president decides that he did not make a mistaking, he wasn't wrong, even though we don't even need to relitigate. we know it was contradicted. what's political now is people who back the president have to show their loyalty by trying to stand this up and reverse engineer something. it's not just people who are loyal to him, but who against their own will working in the government are being forced, for the sake of keeping their job, to be part of this effort to stand up this nonsense. >> it's striking we have talked about this, acting heads of agencies and departments. maybe we haven't thought about their unbridled ability to do things like this. if you have a political appointee by the president in this acting capacity, he or she perhaps is more greatly unchecked on matters like this. >> yeah. when he says things like i like acting better, what he is saying is i like people who aren't all that secure in their jobs because it makes them more sub serve kwrepbt to me. whether it's cabinet secretary

or on further down. it's remarkable. if you step pack and think about the amount of time the media has folked on this story this week and the president gets mad because he says the press is focusing on this story and they won't let this go. well, we were done talking about it on wednesday when he first started in with this and drew the line on the map. maybe we have spent too much time still focusing on it because when you see the kerry sanders support on the ground and how the storm is impacting people, the president is focused almost exclusive live on defending himself and worrying about whether he's being treated fairly or not fairly by the press. when people's lives have been completely up ended. you think it is just a reflection on him. but it has an impact. you would probably have more donations from the red cross. you think about what consumes this country on a daily and

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welcome back to "up." new details on how the u.s. military has been using a small scottish airport near a trump resort. eric lipton summarizes in a report. dod and trump org confirmed u.s. military personnel stayed at trump turnberry in scotland. he said the defense department signed an agreement with the preft wick to serve as refueling location in august 2016 adding, since early october 2017, a total of 9 17 payments for liquid petroleum have been made at a total cost of $17.2 million. turnberry is close to the

prestwick airport. this was the key tweet. donald trump pledges to make prestwick airport really successful. eric lipton has another piece in today's times about how it has become part of politics as usual, and the daily merging of president trump's official duties and commercial interests. it has now come almost routine. eric lipton joins us now. eric, make this connection for us, if you would. there was the piece in the guardian last year, and now this advances even more. what do we take away is? the reporting on the contracts in particular. >> you could look at it in two different ways. one way you look at it and then candidate trump was there back in 2014. certainly after he bought the golf course saying he was going to work to make that place successful, this airport, which

was financially struggling. now it has $17 million of sales. the dod fuel sales are the single biggest source of growing income at this airport. so you look at that and you might be suspicious. then on the other hand dod is arguing these are stopovers that make sense for them logistically. and that this is not something that they are being forced to do by the president himself. now, the most speur part of course is march of 2019 there are seven u.s. air force and national guard crew members who were sent over to trump turnberry to spend the night there. you have to wonder when several dozen other hotels, why would they go to trump turnberry? that is something they will investigate and determine if there are seven on other trips. there have been dozens of stopovers by crews. there may be instances where they were spent at trump

turnberry. >> where do you see these investigations going? >> well, another substance of the president's behavior necessitating the investigations and then he will turn around and say, man, these people never let it go. deep state after me. he almost forces these things to happen. i remember the trip we went on in june. the president was going to normandy for d-day and stayed and took us two nights over to ireland so he could stay there. >> i still find that so crazy. . >> right. hundreds of miles away. >> they said it's easier for us to do it this way as if there were no place to stay in france. and over the weekend we were at the g7 letting it slip, hey, we will do the g7 at doral. in the entire united states we looked at every site and there is nowhere better. it is just not believable. so you have a president who is determined to sort of prop up and talk about these properties in plain sight. he's not hiding this.

you have a lot of examples of this where we have seen the president, the vice president kind of decide to go to these properties and stay at these properties and bring all the secret service details and support staff to these properties. >> mike pence staying in ireland as well. let me go to your other piece, looking at the import here in politics today. a public citizen said it reflects the normalization of corruption. taking a broad look at washington, mar-a-lago and the numbers as well. walk us through how that has seen a huge uptick, revenues has seen an uptick. . >> the thing that is just striking. in a one-week period, the president at one golf resort in europe, the president talking about how convenient the g7 at doral in florida.

it struck us the frequency with which these kinds of things are happening. almost every day in washington you could walk into the trump hotel and another group convening, lobbyist, trade associations, gop candidates, former administration officials. there are events going on almost every day. money coming into the trump family. it has become so frequent that we pay less attention to it. but it is such an extraordinary situation in the history of the united states to have the official business of the white house occurring on one part of pennsylvania avenue. and then just a few blocks away to have a business which is profiting off of that. and we just have to sort of step pack and reflect on that. that's what we attempted to do in this piece and pull together statistics coming through the family through the business not only at this facility in washington, but mar-a-lago, golf resorts and other hotels around the united states. >> eric lipton bringing up doral.

chris, try to tie all of this together. a time camp david was not only good enough for the taliban but the g8 leaders. >> when i was i deputy secretary of labor, i sold every stock in it, every individual company, i flew coach, could not take the excel up to new york. a government employee cannot give a gift to your superior unless it is of nominal value. we have gone well beyond that right now. it is not just people going to his hotel. he's actually steering u.s. government money and foreign government money to his properties. what's important here about the story about scotland is this is u.s. military funds. and this comes on a week when he has diverted hundreds of millions of dollars to his border wall, including funds that were supposed to be used for military schools and for day care centers. and so for a president who constantly professes to be pro

military. >> we have half a minute left here. in eric's piece, quotes anthony scaramucci who was staying there. he spoke to the fact that it wasn't explicitly told to stay there but there was a wink\and a nod to stay there. >> we'god bless jimmy carer, wh sold his family's peanut farm. that was the respect he held for the office. a politico piece talking about the mobster tactics. the mob boss is never going to say, david, i need you to spend money. exactly. but it's understood that if you want to stay or get in the good graces of the president we know the first few months of his presidency, the only thing he read wasn't briefings, it was who was staying at his hotel in washington, d.c. it's not lost on me when eli

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investing in public defenders in sentencing reform, cash bail reform, legalizing marijuana and investing in diversion programs. >> reform our broken criminal justice system. >> nbc news is taking a closer look at the u.s. justice system tonight at 1010bg p.m. the founder and executive directors of the ladies of hope. i want you to react first to the level this is being talked about on the campaign trail. is it indicative of where we are? are they following the cultural conversation? . >> i think they are following the cultural conversation. it is something that has. and thank god. the system is injust. the system is kidnapping people. and it is killing our communities. so i'm happy to see everyone is

talking about it, that they want to see change in this country. >> i'm going to ask you about the constituency. two states. ive saw in the atlantic piece said two states allowed felony convictions to vote. this is still a huge issue in this country. folks like you who have done time and come out and are unable to vote. >> right. you have maine and vermont that allow people to vote while incarcerated. i would like to see that happen all over the country. in new york, a person with with a federal conviction, i was able to vote. people don't know their voting rights. some of the work we are doing at the ministries is allowing people to know what their rights are. and to have the elected officials and everyone understand that, even if i can't vote for whatever the state laws are, that i have family members that live in the constituencies and can vote for me and another person with a criminal conviction. . >> give us the broad sweep here. it seems to me this is being talked about more by candidates,

part of the political conversation in a way that it hasn't been in the past. you listened to some of the candidates talking about that we just played there. does the detail match the rhetoric at this point do you think? >> we have to see what the policy proposals are after the fact. words are words. it is what type of money are you putting up to sort of invest in communities, invest in individuals. and are you going to really talk substantively about the type of cabinet you want to have that would help you actualize this type of policy. we know in the state of new york, far too many incarcerated individuals are counted upstate and not from the communities where they are. this is not just black and latin ex communities. it was seen as those people. we're really changing the conversation one by one about what is the point of incarceration. if she served her time, comes

out, she should be a willing and contributing member of society. this punishment should not continue indefinitely. a lot more of the candidates, thank goodness, in the 2020 election are talking about it. but unfortunately far too many people only link it to an economic issue. so is it going to save any money? is it going to cost me money? we have seen cory booker do this with linking up with republicans. it's not a financial basis and not a larger moral value basis, i think a lot more democratic candidates are trying to excavate. . >> take us to the white house with the cabinet secretary. help us with this in particular. . >> the problem is there are a myriad of programs. at one level it is how you coordinate to make sure they are effective. it requires leadership at the top. and we can say we don't have an african-american jobs policy. we just have a jobs policy. the truth of the matter is

unemployment has gone down. african-american unemployment is still double the rates of whites. it is not just a moral and social issue. it is health care issue, jobs issue. i like that democratic candidates are spelling out the in very clear terms what they would do on these disparities. >> what surprised you from the conversation that took place . >> it was inside a maximum security prison. the fact that we, people who have been impacted ourselves, that we were able to be there inside a prison. off they don't let us go back in to do the work we do because of the criminal conviction. broadly i thought it was incredible. but to hear the stories that came out from the brothers who were incarcerated but a lot of the policy positions they have. and we would like to see in a

candidate coming up. >> eli, last question to you, going back to the politics of this. it is being talked about now. it was certainly talked about yesterday. how does an issue like that have staying power through a long campaign going into the election in 2020? >> well, i think it's -- look, there is a new jim crow. people are aware of that. there is a conversation about that at least on the democratic side of this primary. does that sustain itself? i'm not sure. this is a president who when he explicitly talks to african-american communities, part of that is happening on facebook with the campaign purchasing ads saying, look, this president signed the first step act touting some of his accomplishments even though he is out there taking comments that the democrats will make about legalizing marijuana or letting people out of incarceration and say, see, democrats are soft on crime. so the president will use multiple messages on these when he speaks to different audiences. at the end of the day, this

election still seems like a referendum on the president. and it's -- the primary seems driven largely by electability. this is a policy debate. it is an important one. it is important to have these conversations and to make people more aware of what's happening and how this is affecting communities. as we get further in, i'm not sure this will be the biggest issue you will be hearing. >> great to see you once again. you can see the townhall tonight at 10:00. lester holt leads the discussion. special guest john legend and loretta lynch. tonight at 10:00 eastern time right here on msnbc. up ahead on "up," it could be a bellwether, special election in the tar heel state. we will go there live next. i am royalty of racing, raise your steins to the king of speed.

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affected by hurricane dorian. on tuesday, voters will choose between two dans. president trump travels for a rally tomorrow to gin up support for the campaign. he realizes this will be a test on how he does in the suburbs in 2020. leigh-ann caldwell. help us understand the difference between the two candidates. one associated with the bathroom bill. talk about the two of them and the broaderism indications what the trump administration and trump re-election campaign will be looking at what the results come in on tuesday. >> reporter: yeah, david. dan mccreaddie has been running in this election for 27 months. but his message seems to be resonating in this district that trump won by 12 points. he is running as a moderate democrat. he is separating himself from the national democratic party. his slogan, country over party.

we spoke with mccreaddie as well as dan bishop over the weekend. here's what they had to say. >> you said it september shock waves through the entire country. what do you mean by that? >> we're up against every kind of hateful and decisive politics. if we deliver this win, it will be a signal that we can bring this country together even in this early divided political era we're in. >> reporter: so you have three days, two days, one and a half days? we have had a great week or two. it is clear both from data we have surged. i think we have caught him. >> reporter: bishop says he is surging because of his message. he's tieing himself so closely to this president. the president and vice president pence will be in this district tomorrow. one thing, david, that both sides agree on is this race is

tied. >> i want to ask you about the fraud going forward. a lot of concern in north carolina after what we saw there during the last round of elections in the 9th district. what are state officials saying about that, how they will monitor those on tuesday? >> reporter: state election officials and both campaigns have so many eyes on this election. they have teamed up and are stacked with lawyers. everyone is watching this very closely. one observer told me that there are so many eyes on this election that everyone is on their best behavior. they have seen no abnormalities as of now. but they're not giving up. they will keep watching this extremely closy as there was a very tainted election in 2018, david. >> she will be there through the election on tuesday. thank you for our panelists this hour. coming you, the ranking democrat

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>> president trump has decided to call off two sum mitts he was going to have today. the president claims they were unbeknownst to almost everyone. they were scheduled to take place at camp david. he called them off because of the attack in kabul that killed one of our great, great soldiers and 11 others. and the other is what they are negotiating in good faith. if they cannot agree to a cease-fire they probably don't have the power to october. he said it will lead to further loss and american lives in assets. a new reporting from the "new york times" sheds light on what happened behind the scenes. quoting then station officials, the "times" reports the talks that once seemed on the verge of a breakthrough hit a wall over how the deal should be finalized and announced. the "times" goes on to report they refed to negotiate directly with the of tkpapb government until the group had an agreement with the united states and that the taliban compared the proposal to the americans tricking this 'em into political

suicide. the americans were rushing to finalize outstanding issues, including issues over prisoner release. the war in afghanistan stretches across three u.s. presidents, 18 years in total. this coming wednesday is the answer versery of the september 11th attacks after which president bush took military action to go after the taliban. 400 troops have been killed since. today, nearly 14,000 american troops are still in the country. and the war shows no sign of ending. >> the united states military has begun strikes against al qaeda terrorist training camps and military regime against afghanistan. >> we won't try to make afghanistan a perfect place. we will not police its streets or patrol its mountains indefinitely. that is the responsibility of the afghan deposit. . >> they're like policemen in

afghanistan. we have great soldiers, but they're not acting as soldiers. they're acting as policemen. and that's not their job. . >> we have the ranking member of the senate foreign relations committee, senator men den dez. menendez. i was caught off guard by it. startled and shocked by it. what was your reaction when you saw the tweets? >> equally spraoeugsed. we had no idea at the is senate foreign relations committee is taking place. but then then this is the most opaque administration i have dealt with in the house and the senate. but this is another example of the trump diplomacy, which is high-wire personal diplomacy not the strategic, thoughtfulest to get to a goal. and you have to wonder in the first place when you are only likely talking to the taliban and not the afghanistan government how you expected at the end of the day to have a success.

and, look, you know, normally withdraws, which we all want to see, we want to see our people come back home. we have to have them come back in a way that ensures the security situation for our nation at the end of the day is preserved after so many lives and national treasure. and you normally have withdraws in response to a peace agreement that has been brought together not a prelude of a possibility of a peace agreement. >> summits with kim jong-un. is this a no-go for you? he floated this as something that could have happened, i suppose. is it something you're against in principal, him sitting down with the leaders of the taliban? >> look, you know, like his meetings with kim jong-un, it's the preparation that is necessary to get there. it's the preparation with the afghan deposit. they have an election coming up in relatively short order. at the end of the day, have you prepared to bring us to that

moment? the fact is the taliban harbored as we approach this 18th anniversary, we don't forget that. we need to find a pathway forward that involves the taliban, burr the taliban and the afghan deposit. not just half the equation. >> he met for nine rounds of talks. how much information do you have about those conversations? do you support them knowing what you know about the content of the conversations. >> we should know. the senate foreign relations committee is dealing with the congressional perspective on both the senate foreign relations committee about u.s. foreign policy. and at the end of the day, we cannot get information about this administration. we have one classified briefing by ambassador khalilzad. we have heard nothing in

between. so you need congressional support and buy-in if we agree with the ultimate result. when the result we want is, yes, to bring our people home but we don't want another re-do of iraq. we left out the right conditions and had to go back. this is about securing the united states and never having a situation where you can have a haven for another attack. >> whatever your political beliefs, i don't think it would startle a lot of people. they would want the committee to be briefed on the content of these negotiations. what can you do now that we know the subject was according to the president to get more information. are you calling for a briefing from the administration? what are we going to see? . >> we have been habitually calling on it. it has not been forth coming. so sometimes what i do as a ranking member is whether it's

using the few tools, i have, whether it's about a nomination before the committee prolonging the process or arms sales as we did in saudi arabia situation, the situation with saudi arabia, there are limited tools. those tools we have we are using to get basic information. we shouldn't have to be using the tools in order to get the basic information necessary to make good judgments on foreign policy and national security of the united states. >> there is the opacity of the diplomacy and ignorance of history as well. i'm drawn to the third one in which he asks how many more decades are they willing to fight? he seems unaware of the difficulties of dealing with the taliban, the wars they have fought against the taliban in history. speak how problematic that is. . >> look, this is a president who is not steeped in an historical

perspective, he doesn't seem to do a lot of in-depth work to understand the nature of who he is dealing with. whether that's kim jong-un, china, who anies in decades. they think of decades. they will endure pain to get to their ultimate goal. something we find ourselves more difficult to acquire. we are more into in standpoint gratification. and in the case of the taliban, they will fight to the death. at the end of the day. if you don't know the circumstances of your adversary and who you are dealing with in depth, then you cannot strategize how you ultimately achieve success in terms of your ultimate foreign policy goals. the president isn't capable. he believes the high-wire diplomacy can charm everybody, make everybody the art of the deal. well, the art of creating a diplomatic piece is much more difficult than his art of the deal. >> couple more issues i want to talk to you about.

the first is impeachment. they will vote on the path forward this week. how closely are you watching that? >> well, david, you know, the senate acts if ever there is an impeachment as a jury in essence, trier of the fact. i take that position very seriously should it ever come. but obviously this administration has stonewalled every single legitimate claim by the majority and the house of representatives for oversight. i remember when they were pursuing -- they were in the majority. they were pursuing everything, fast and furious, benghazi. they would never tolerate what is going on now in the simple providing of basic information for the congress to make decisions. both on policy and in this case with the high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed 678 i think the house is right to try to get a greater access to information so that they can

make those judgments. because this administration has told everybody just say no, no, no. and, you know, the courts is one avenue. but at the end of the day, that takes some extraordinary period of time. he's running out the clock as he proceeds the election next year. >> the work period is coming to an end much you're going to return to washington. there has been a lot of talk across the country about gun policy. many are optimistic that it will be done. many think we will hit the same wall we have hit time and time again. what is your council? your words to them how this might be different? >> look, i don't know how many more mass shootings have to be in the hands of senator mcconnell before he ultimately gives us a vote. i do not accept this proposition that he says i have to see what the president is willing to sign. that's not the way the founders of the country created the checks and balances between the congress and the executive

branch. the senate should vote on the common sense gun safety legislation that the house has already passed. universal background check. that would have stopped the shooter from odessa if it had been in place. he failed to get it to when he had to get a background check at a place in which you legitimately buy at a store. but then he had a private purchase. it would have been subject to a universal background checks. up don't need 50 to 100 rounds to go hunting. this is gun saeft legislation that i think every american overwhelmingly supports. you just saw a recent quinnipiac poll. 90 something percent said universal background checks should be pursued. assault bans had 60% approval.

90% on red flag laws. so the american people are saying they want to see something done. the president and runs, to their peril, can ultimately stonewall it. but more importantly, there are lives to be saved. and we can save lives through common sense gun safety laws. >> i heard more and more people talking about how it was the greatest deliberative body. in a few minutes, governor of montana will join me. what's your message to him and others who have no optimism about the senate being able to do anything? why should one train his sights to go in and serve? >> i think it still one of the most important institutions in our country. it is a critical check and balance against any administration, this one or any other. the confirmation of judges. the confirmation of nominees. all creates a process by which you can have a check and balance

operates on how it should on behalf of the american people, not on the enrichment of the president. many things get done. i have worked with my colleague from wyoming to get legislation passed into law on autism. new jersey has the highest rate of autism. we did that work together. good news very rarely makes news at the end of the day. there are a lot of things, despite all the battles, there are many good things that happened. there's a lot more that could happen. senator mcconnell is fixated on federal judges. we are hardly legislated during this session. that doesn't mean there won't come in a moment in which we can, phoefl live with the democratic majority. >> thank you very much. we'll see what the good governor has to say later in the show. much more, including the uphill race for the democratic nomination. but first the human tear yann crisis is growing dire in the bahamas. we're going to head there to our correspondent on the ground after the break. re's skyrizi.

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this is another example of the trump diplomacy, which is high-wire personal diplomacy, not the strategic thoughtful effort to get to a doll. when you are largely talking to the tal pan and not the afghanistan government, how you expected at the end of the day to have a success. >> welcome back to "up." that was senior senator robert menendez talking about the trump administration latest attempt at diplomacy. ph msnbc contributor.

and latino usa, and the president of tour media group and now a professor as well. hello. brian layer show wnyc. you have written on foreign policy for some time. i keep asking each and every guest, how shocked were you by the tweets we saw last week? the president of the united states had planned this secret summit unbeknownst to everybody at camp david with leaders of the taliban. >> i didn't know about it. i was surprised there had been a september 1st deadline for arranging a deal that they had been working on with the taliban. the most shocking thing was the taliban was willing to sit down with members of the democratly elected deposit that the trump administration shamefully had excluded from the negotiations that had been taking place in doha. now, in a larger sense, i'm not shocked because the trump administration is whether it

comes to north korea or so many other foreign policy issues, breaking with the tradition of conservative foreign policy and in some ways breaking the foreign policy views held by mike pompeo just a couple of years ago when they were in the cia or were in the congress. the idea that we are having face-to-face negotiations with a terrorist adversary that has not were broken its ties to the network and therefore connected in that sense with al qaeda, this is no longer a surprise coming with an administration that is willing to be so incredibly in seekness. >> there has an opacicity. it is extraordinary that a few days from 9/11 that this will take place and shows ignorance. >> he said this administration

is opaque. that is a nice word but putting it lightly. my concern right now, and i -- i'm sorry that i'm about to say this. but i think everything that we're watching in terms of afghanistan worries me about what this president wants to do about in citing a war. the more destabilization there is, the more opportunity for something to happen that will give him the credibility of being the strong arm who is going to come in and, whatever, save the day, in whatever. maybe it will be afghanistan. that's what worries me about what's happening here. nothing surprises me in terms of this administration. absolutely nothing. it is far from opaque. it is much more keeping us in the dark on purpose so we have no clue about what's happening. my we're is what will happen longer term and where is it leading as the president gets quite desperate. . >> i will go quickly to my colleague. great suffering and loss of life in the bahamas.

give us an update here. a lot of people commented that this has been the president's focus, on this, on the alabama matter, sharpie-gate, focused on this devastating storm. >> reporter: i'm sorry, david. is that -- yeah. listen, who cares? honestly, who cares? here's the situation. i want to show you drone footage we got in courtesy of kerry sanders, photo journalist bill angel angelucci. these islands were stripped of everything. they want to get people off the islands, here to nassau. we want to clean up the islands. then we can return people. we came in on a flight yesterday with folks trying to get back to their homes in grand bahama or

abaco. it is not the appropriate time. you cannot sustain life on these islands. again, just stripped of everything. there's no power. there's no water. there are probably bodies under the rubble. the government is trying get a good handle on this. when you talk about american politics here on the ground, that stuff just doesn't rate. the other thing that we are sort of learning about, and i think it will be a theme through the story are the undocumented haitians that were living on these islands. folks who didn't want to evacuate, didn't want to go to government facilities pause they were afraid because of their immigration status that they could be removed or something could happen to them. so they stayed. and that's one of the stories that's unfolding here. when you look at abaco island, you're talking about neighborhoods like the mud, an area that was highly populated by haitians, where the government is trying to get in there. again, you're talking about a system that doesn't exist before the storm. no record of who lived there. there is no paperwork of who was there. and so it's making the situation very, very difficult.

people here they want aid, aid supplies. not food. they want to get the people off the island. we're talking about generators and cutting sauce. so, again, david, look, when you talk about president trump and the tweets and the sharpies, it absolutely could not matter less here. >> i'll turn to you on that point. i mentioned the distraction. the emphasis on the willful distraction imposed by this president. let's play media critics for a little while. >> as somebody put it the other day, he is the television character president. he is preferring to fight his battle over sharpie-gate, whether alabama was really in the cone. than do what a president needs to do, which is to say this is an emergency in the bahamas. we need to get aid there. it is our responsibility. the media coverage is bifurcated. that we are still talking about

sharp sharpie-gate. it is not your fault. the president is causing it. again, because he's the television president on conjuring this image that maybe he was striving for and this is speculation, but maybe he was hoping to have on the 9/11 anniversary, this wednesday, an announcement that the taliban has decided to give up war. and he was going to be a big hero. well, obviously it didn't work out that way. but it is more complicated than that. there is a fundamental kopbt tkebgz in trump's foreign policy which he got called on here. the america first, pure steve bann bannon, is to get out of foreign wars. on the other hand, trump always needs to be the biggest, toughest, baddest, meanest guy on the block, have the united states be that. and so it's very hard for him to make peace or draw down the

military. >> or the conscioequences of narcissism at ajee geo strategi level. it has to be about trump. that is the first and last consideration that the president seems to have. and this really damaging us. i've been very struck by the cleverness of protesters in hong kong who have been holding up posters of president trump looking like a war hero, arriving to rescue the freedom of protesters there because they are playing to his narcissism. they are saying come and be the hero for us. but the core of trump's imagination really doesn't extend that far. and what it means is that america is going to be disappointing all of our well-wishers around the world who traditionally have seen the country as a beacon of freedom, democracy and decency. he is trashing that piece by

piece, country by country tkpwhrfplt very quickly here, what sense do you have of the role the u.s. will play going forward? a piece in the "times" today about the vacuum of bahamian support in light of this tragedy. and they cover the white house for npr, talking about geopolitical in this. the chinese could do a lot of the redevelopment in the bahamas. >> right. but if these people from the bahamas were coming here and asking for refuge, the response from this administration is we don't want any refugees. we don't want them no matter where they're from as long as they're not white and don't fit into what they fit into our country, we don't want them. it is the dehumanization. and also we have to realize that environmental damage, these kinds of storms, climate refugees are going to be another part. by the way, they are also part of what's happening in central america. there is a tremendous amount of

infrastructure happening in central america. this is what we are talking about in terms of the refugee reality. so i'm just wondering, like, when we start seeing the images of the people from bahamas trying to get here, are we going to say, no, no, no. you actually need to go back to that place where there is nothing, there is no electricity, there is no water. go back there and wait there because that's how the united states does refuge crisis. >> all right. straight ahead, new polling on how the 2020 field of democratic contenders is stacking up. who is rising to the top in tphf new hampshire after the democratic convention there, next. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,

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welcome back to "up." i'm david gura. a brand-new "washington post"/abc news poll showing elizabeth warren closing in on joe biden's lead. but joe biden still leading with bernie sanders and elizabeth warren closing in with 19% and 17% respectively. nbc news campaign is covering both of those things. let's start with this poll. your reaction to it. dovetail that with what you saw yesterday. elizabeth warren had a two-minute ovation when she took the stage. >> that's right. it's interesting to see the former vice president topping the polls as he has consistently

done as he has entered this race. a stark contrast from what we saw yesterday at the convention. as you mentioned, senator elizabeth warren with that two-minute standing ovation. and something else to note is that after she spoke, she was one of the last candidates to speak of the 19 candidates who showed up. a lot of people left. so they came to see her. and also something interesting to also note is how her ground game here is developing. it's very strong. she had i think at least one of the largest group of supporters come out for her early on in the day starting at 6:00 a.m. she was running through the crowd as well. bernie sanders had support but he is also from nearby state vermont. and he of course won new hampshire back in 2016 against hillary clinton. and that is a little different than joe biden, who was the first one to speak. he did garner some applause and

support yesterday at the convention. but it definitely wasn't as strong as the two people behind him. of course elizabeth warren is consistently rising in the polls. we have seen that throughout the summer. but when it comes to electability, it seems like that is still her deficit. in the same poll, biden continues to lead overwhelmingly with 45% of respondents saying he is the one who can beat president donald trump. and warren in third with 12%. and of course yesterday she also said during the convention, part of her speech, she didn't mention biden's name. but she said, listen, voters should vote their conscious. you shouldn't just be afraid of donald trump and vote for the person who think can beat him. >> i want to ask you about that, the power of that message. the appeal she's making to those who might not want the safe bet or who may seem like the safe bet. they want to go for someone

articulate in principles. >> right. well, i think elizabeth warren has an electability argument to make, which is that in addition to having positions that are, you know, in the democratic base, she also has a personality that draws a lot of passion. not just in the democratic base but i think when she gets out around the country and quotes from the bible extensively like she does in her stump speech sometimes and when she ta ublks about her roots in oklahoma, which she can do with a lot of credibility, not like she is from the northeast elite, that kind of thing, there is an electability argument to make for elizabeth warren. >> maria, you heard mariana talking about that here. massachusetts close to vermont. the importance of that as we look ahead to the new hampshire primary? >> so i can't reveal which presidential candidates i spoke

to last week. but what i can say is in terms of the democratic party, some of the more radical candidates in some ways are those who say they are so radical actually are not. and maybe hraurp is the one who is capturing that. like actual more in terms of her policy and i think that's what is electrifying people. the fact that she has such deep policy knowledge and able to express it in a way that is interesting. but you've got to talk about black voters here. you've got to talk about african-american women, african-american male voters, latino voters. she's got to make a connection there. that, again, is what joe biden does have. it is the pragmatic vote of people of color are exhausted, we're tired. we believe that joe biden, because of his relationship to obama or his stability factor, could take this on and win. and i think people have to start

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back to breaking news i mentioned a moment ago. mark sanford of south carolina officially throwing his hat into the ring, saying he will trupb against president trump for the nomination in 2020. listen. >> i have. and i plan to announce that back home this week. we had a hurricane come visit us on the coast of south carolina. that is disrupted plans on that front. i am here to tell you now, that i am going to get in. >> we will go to governor bullock in a moment. brett stevens, i want to turn to you much we have three, four candidates running for that nomination. . >> well, it is the case that presidents who have serious primary challengers, whether it was george h.w. bush in 1992 or jimmy carter in 1980 tend to go on to lose the election.

i like congressman sanford. and i think the more the merrier. some republican representation says this guy is not us, cannot be us. we cannot let history remember this moment as a moment when trump ran completely unopposed. >> i mentioned steve bullock made his way. there's a lot of talk and momentum coming out of that event. went through polling. you were not near the top, governor. you and i spoke a month and a half ago now. you didn't make the stage for the next debate. help us understand why you are still in this race. yes, we are many months out. but if i was a sense of your thinking going forward. >> the only one that said we have to win that place is we lost. somebody who has been able the get aggressive things done. the only governor left in the field now. one of the few people outside

washington, d.c. we were in new hampshire yesterday, which is still 157 days before any voter in new hampshire expresses -- >> but who is counting? >> that's exactly right. that's exactly right. but i think there is a lot of time in this. the debate stages, hopefully i'll be on the next if everybody goes to stevebullock.com. even as you look at the polling, yeah, you have three up top. just about everybody else is in the margin of error. every other year it has been a long slog along the way. >> we will go to bret stephens in a moment. robert frank, the economist was quoted in his piece. he called you the most important person on the planet. joining the ranks and sounding the claret for you to run for senate. i had bob menendez making the case for the importance of, the efficacy of the senate in this day in age. saying there is work that is being done.

there is something coming out of the senate. your reaction to that? are you still saying no to the calls that you might consider running for senate. >> the senate is critically important. we don't talk about if sanders or warren was our successful nominee. you would have a republican governor appointing a republican senator. you know, in those states as well which would change the balance. we will have a good candidate in montana. i will do everything i can to support him or her. >> you have a question for the governor. >> governor, talk to us not as a politician but an expert in politics. do you think a democratic nominee running on a platform of medicare for all benefits health care benefits for undocumented workers, maybe decriminalization of border crossings, do you think that will win the general election for the democratic party? >> bret, we need to win back plates we lost. this comes down to places like

wisconsin and pennsylvania, michigan. and i do have some real concerns about that. look, we ought to all agree that everybody needs successful and affordable health care. and i think we can get there. but i don't think both the best policy or the best politics is to tell 180 million people you're about to lose your health care. the biggest problem right now with immigration overall is donald trump. he is using immigration to rip families apart and rip our country apart. the minute we say the answer to that is to no longer make it legal for every individual without documentation in this country. we're going to get to this point where if 100,000 are showing up at the border now, it is multiples of that. so it is bad policy but it is also bad politics if we want to win this election. >> i saw you raise your hand there. >> so i've been to your state actually. i love some montana.

you do know who is replanting our national forests in your state, right? they are immigrants. many are official guest workers in your state. they are replanting our national forests. so my question to you, and i find it interesting that somehow the issue of -- i want to ask you, do you really believe that tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of people at this moment would actually be rushing to come to the united states because you think that they're actually listening to, like, u.s. policy debate as to whether they're going to get health care or not? i'm just trying to understand if you buy into that notion that there are millions who are actually trying to get here. because that is something that this administration has attempted to put out there as a narrative. >> no. maria, absolutely not do i think that's the case. i think they're coming because they're fleeing areas that are so problematic. also for economic opportunities.

that's why we need comprehensive immigration reform. we need to fix a broken bureaucratic system as well. to bret's point, what are the politics of this. no, that's not why folks are fleeing. we need stability. two-thirds of the people that lived without documentation in this country have lived for over a decade. and we need to find a path to citizenship for those individuals just like the dreamers. but my point is how we actually address immigration reform isn't just playing into everything that donald trump does and says. >> the minute we have left. >> governor, if you're running to the center of the most progressive candidates in this race, when joe biden does that, he has got a reservoir of support among african-americans because of his association with president obama. if you're saying you are the most electable because you won

in a trump state in montana that doesn't bring out the necessary black vote that deserted hillary clinton too much for her to get elected. can you say why you would be the best presidential candidate to turn out african-american democrats. . >> sure. first of all, immediately running to the senator, the core of the word progressive is making progress in people's lives. i would stack what i have been able to do in this state where i actually have to do things more than anybody else in the field. as we go through this, everybody ought to have a fair shot at a better life. we're finally at this point where we are recognizing the challenges in 2019 didn't start in 2019. it's centuries of in justice. i will show up, listen, and provide in each of the areas in ways where we can not only make a difference in peep's lives. people hope that's what government will do. make a difference. . >> steve bullock, thank you. appreciate the time.

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i'm david gura. candidates are candidates are se time and money talking about climate change. companies are also taking notice. ben & jerry's released a new flavor "justice remixed." proceeds will go to the advancement national project. ben & jerry's has a long history of releasing a number of flavors tied to social issues. the ice cream giant and a group along with padagonia took out a page urging others to do the same. with us is ben & jerry's ceo. good to have you with us. tell us how this permeates your everyday life at the company talking about criminal justice reform. >> we're very lucky to have the values of our co-founders, jerry and ben, still guiding us every day. yes, we want to make the best ice cream in the world and wow people with our flavors but keeping our social mission and specifically focused on climate

justice and social justice is something we do all the time. it's not either/or which is a false narrative in the business world. >> i threw out this term big corporation. how the way you do business is different from those in another company, the way those on the business roundtable would do business. >> b corp is the best structured approach to how to make your business do good in the world. b corp is setting the standard of how business can raise its game across a number of parameters. not just reduce the bad stuff a business does. >> my last question to you is, how much of a difference does this make? when you roll out a flavor like this, what does it actually lead to? more recognition of the issue itself? is money going to these groups in quantity? help us understand what it leads to. >> i get asked this question all the time. does this help you sell more ice cream? we don't do these things, never

have done them in order to sell more ice cream. we do them because we care and our co-founders gave us those values. it's more than just the flavors. the flavor is the way to galvanize our fans and provide -- to use what we can do in our business to drive focus to issues but it's our partners like the advancement project, like color of change, like power u. they are the real experts. they are the real experts in grassroots activism. we bring the energy of our business and fans and put a spotlight on issues that need to be addressed. >> brian, i want to get your reaction to how this is growing in groundswell. we saw walmart making a decision not to sell certain firearms as a result of customers pushing back on them. not a b corporation, but speak to that, the power that consumers have to influence what companies are doing and how companies have power over their own influence to influence the conversation. >> i think companies tend to act in their own interest. i'm a little cynical. i'm not sure walmart took the actions -- >> so it is about selling ice

cream? >> maybe not in their case. in their case, maybe it's a hybrid. i'll give you that. but yeunilever owns ben & jerry now. some kind of hybrid. with respect to walmart and other stores that have done this, they're responding to pressure. have their eyes on the customer base and on cancel culture if you want to call it that and they're trying to thread the needle in their own interest. >> maria, i want you to comment on this as well. >> latinas between ages of 18 to whatever, 45, are the most powerful consumers in the united states of america. you knew that, right? the reason why is because we overindex in our households as opposed to white women or black women as the ones making the decision about what to buy. what ice cream we're going to buy, what books we're going to watch, what tv shows, what cereal. so reaching out to the latina and latino consumers is essential not just for the social justice part of it but

for the business side of it which unilever does care about. but you know what? people are really super conscious about the decisions where they'll spend their money. i went through a public breakup with an app that was my meditation app because they were advertising on tucker carlson. and there was a very public -- i decided to make it public because i'm owning my power as a consumer. not as a journalist, as my power. that's part of what you guys are at least willing to engage in. the power of the consumer, no? >> matthew mccarthy, ceo of ben & jerry's joining us on set. lester holt will host a special town hall with john legend, loretta lynch will be on as well. that's tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. a big thank you to my panel this morning. coming up at the top of the hour on "a.m. joy," all the ways the trump family business continues to profit off of the trump presidency. i am the twisting thundercloud.

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take a look. have you ever heard of anything like this about a military transport stopping at a private golf resort, let alone one owned by the president of the united states? >> surprisingly enough, yes, i have. and that was saddam hussein who had a series of palaces all around his country, and he would only go to those palaces. he would never transport himself to some innocuous airport where he couldn't secure himself. >> okay. so that might seem like hyperbole, but the facts are there are governments around the world where the head of state is also the chief moneymaker, where everything about the government is designed to pay him and his family. and it appears we may have a government headed in that same direction. overnight the air force confirmed that seven c-17 crew members did, in fact, stay at a trump property in turnberry, scotland, while making a routine trip to kuwait in march. it's just the latest in a series

of domestic and foreign government spending somehow winding up directed to the trump family businesses. prompting lots of discussion about the emoluments clauses to the constitution which bar the president from personally receiving titles or money from foreign or domestic sources. but wait, believe it or not, it gets worse. overnight we learned from a nonsecret primary source that donald trump planned to bring the taliban, yes, that taliban, with whom the united states has been at war since shortly after the september 11th terrorist attacks to the u.s. to meet with him. that non-secret source was donald trump. in a series of tweets on saturday, trump revealed he had been planning to meet in secret with