going to replace him. it's the other american politics trump tweeted, quote, i disagree poll from texas. the president's approval rating i had a phone call with here, the rural vote, the strongly with many of his of 5g with ultra wideband,e at . in that state stands at 45% eastern part of this tikrit when stephanie grisham and she said a you gait what i from charlotte, suggestion as did others in this among texas voters. away from the suburb, these are administration. 50% say they disapprove of therefore, i asked for his lot of these front runners trump's job performance. more blue collar exurban areas, when it comes to the democrats' resignation which was given to that is where it was the me this morning. those disagreements included how really aren't front runners. election day vote. race for president, joe biden it did come honestly as a big half the votes early vote, half to handle iran, north korea, leads the 2020 field by 10 surprise to people within the the votes election day in north white house, he's kind of not carolina. it was the election day vote, venezuela and afghanistan, been on great footing for a points at 28%. while now, but last week with however, two source tell nbc parts of this district came news the final straw came over senator elizabeth warren follows things that went down at camp in 2nd place at 18%, senator through big for bishop, the the weekend when bolton refused david and that taliban meeting republican did it have something to push back on reports that he bernie sanders and former texas that ended up being canceled, and mike pence disagreed with congressman beto o'rourke shared to do with the run on election created a lot of issues there. trump's plan to host the taliban everybody? that's possible. i think everyone's focus will be it was a republican turnout for 3rd place with 12% of texas at camp david. on who can replace him. bishop. big suburban strength there. pence tweeted calling the report voters with their respective >> we can probably expect a two different story lines. fake news, bolton did not. runs. a new polling from new hampshire statement next week. bottom line, two-point win for >> that according to nbc news shows elizabeth warren and joe alayna treene, thank you so the republicans. much. sources upset the president. widen in a statistical tie. it's mechlenburg, it's ouan then there is this from "cbs the latest emerson field has sign up for the news letter. news," three sources directly that does it for us on this geographically tiny, a 12-point involved tell the network that biden leading at 24% in the wednesday morning, i'm yasmin win. quote the main irritant was the first in the nation primary. vossoughian alongside ayman again this is actually better warren follows at 21% and bernie mohyeldin. president's belief that bolton "morning joe" starts right now. than mccready did better in this or those close to him leaked a sanders sits in 3rd place with part of the district. story about trump asking about he won it by 10 then, by 12 >> thank you very much. whether he could use nuclear tonight. 13% of new hampshire voters >> thanks for coming, and it's in this same slice of the backing his run the poll also weapons to fight hurricanes. but we're also a cancer fighting,

district, trump won by 3 in takes a look at head-to-heads good to finally meet you. 2016. so this is an area densely >> richard haase, this was a hiv controlling, against president trump with >> mr. secretary, can you take biden leading trump by ten populated area trump was able to match that really never made joint replacing, and depression relieving company. questions? carry as a candidate. sense from the beginning. points, 55 to 45. >> mr. ambassador? donald trump obviously a from the day you're born as president now twice now in a andrew yang also defeat trump by we never stop taking care of you. jim mattis joked that he was congressional election it's gone disruptor in foreign policy. 8 points, however elizabeth double digits for the democrat. john bolton the same. warren loses to trump by 2 meeting the devil incarnate when but in completely different if you have that in mechlenburg points 49-51. john bolton joined the ways. i feel like that last number is administration last year, now and places across the country, john bolton has had advocated they're both gone. for the bombing of north korea. gone. that's a big trouble sign. worth discussing, joe. and no one knows what comes >> you know, willie, it's of >> i think it is worth he's advocated for the bombing next. discussing. we'll get to that in a second. good morning, and welcome to of iran and for the bombing of willie, let's talk about the "morning joe." course a when is a win is a win iraq. it is wednesday, september 11th. in politics. she a neocon's neocon's. first numbers we went through. there are a lot of people along with joe, willie and me, the president's reelected i carving this up figuring out donald trump, of course, has we have msnbc contributor mike what the race means. taken the party and the country think 38%, of 55% of americans it does seem to come down to a divide electorate that will in the opposite direction. this is two minutes searching on don't think donald trump barnicle, juournalist alease la deserves re-election, his remain divided through 2020 approval rating once again in google would have told donald where you will have rural voters trump that this was a visit. relationship that would never the 30s. president of the council on this is again for someone who work, especially if donald trump foreign relations and author of coming out far more for donald has been president three years trump than they have was being seen by many as the old rule used to be if you the book "a world in disarray" playing patsy to kim jong-un, historically. half the republicans. reelect, he's below 50%, you are then for democrats, you got not patsy to vladimir putin, and richard haass and carol lee. only urban voters overwhelmingly even talking about meeting with in big trouble. a lot to get to on this 18th voted for democrats but also donald trump's re-election is the iranians with no pre below 40%. anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. that suburban vote. in the swing states we've seen it's going to make a huge conditions. president trump finds himself difference in places like the >> exactly right. is actually in the low 30s. searching for his fourth donald trump often talked fire national security adviser in philadelphia suburbs. >> yeah. i'm sorry, it doesn't matter how three years. we're going to have 9/11 let's say again, this was the and furry.

second time that dan mckreeldy john bolton meant it, whether it coverage throughout the morning many people blindly give him leading up to the moment of had to run in less than a year. was north korea or iran or just silence at the moment this was a special election this about anybody else. money, the matrix that they're time around. as steve just said, mccready he rarely met a regime he didn't spitting out there, when have that the first plane hit the actually did better in this want to change. you numbers like that, it north tower, and tom brokaw was donald trump was just the race, even though he lost in opposite n. some way trump's reporting on the air that whole approach is america first. that suburban district around charlotte than he did last fall morning. he'll join us live at the end of when he ran. the show. so it's getting worse for donald in a moment we'll get to all the questions surrounding bolton's trump in the suburbs. it's to wiped down existing reminds me of brett hummes let's remember in the 2016 favorite saying, you can have wars, sure as hell not to get ouster. that was staggering news, but general election the win for into different ones. first the two special elections donald trump over hillary they didn't have a pre-existing . it's a lie. all the dog food commercials you that were decided last night in clinton is counted in the tense want. if the dog doesn't eat the food, north carolina, and what they of thousands in states like could mean for 2020. relationship. i'd say two other things, one is are you out of luck. michigan and states like okay. i always have to press, tail do >> people are bitten by the 2016 in north carolina's third wisconsin and pennsylvania, so district special election race, if you take charlotte and you john bolton did the country no election and being so wrong they turn that into milwaukee or you favor in the terms of a headline, headlines he didn't hesitate that the president's republican fwrgreg murphy is th dismantling of interagency numbers are just terrible. turn that into philadelphia or process. 39% again. projected winner over democrat every person in this job has to he's never crossed 50% in the any of these suburban areas in alan thomas and in the closely the states that barely for a tell the truth. oh, they love me. major poll. of course, he'll tweet out one watched district nine republican balance the counsellor and dan bishop is the projected sliver went by donald trump, if process role. so i always, i've gotten of his outlier polls, 39% and they flip, have you an entirely winner by about two percentage john bolton didn't balance it. different election looking at it was all him and his views, almost 60% of americans, 6-0 say points over democrat dan 2020. rather than giving the president mccready. president trump took credit for donald trump won effectively. any sort of fair intellectually he should not be reelected. they can't be happy about the bishop's win tweeting in part extremely cautious. he should not be able turn to trend in those suburban areas. honest process and going dan bishop was down 17 points >> no, not at all. forward, we can sit around the office. three weeks ago. when you look to those he then asked me for help. so that happened late last table and speculate, joe, who is democratic numbers on the other night. now, let's get to john bolton, going to get the job? we changed his strategy >> nothing is not possible. side, it sets up an interesting together, and he ran a great the only thing i know is the >> a new cnn poll finds more out as trump's national security debate where for the first time race. than half of americans say they big rally last night. we will see joe biden on the adviser, which the president contant. days prove of president trump's

the constant is donald trump. stage with yemz yelz, on the despite democrat dan mccready's announced on twitter yesterday, unless he is prepared to change job performance. it was very dramatic. trump's disapproval sits at 55%. stage with bern -- elizabeth apparent loss his major gains in the president claimed that he his ways the question of who is had infe that. warren on the stage with bernie number four, quite honestly, is his approval rating remains sanders and they can have a three suburban counties highlight the unpopularity of not critical. almost unchanged from last month honest debate and the more >> we have much more ground on trump's party among that down one point. demographic heading into 2020. john bolton including how mike meanwhile, almost 6 in 10 aggressive side and bernie political analyst larry saab toe pompeo plays into all of this, sanders. but this is playing tout way what it means for the secretary registered voters polled said it's played out all summer. tweeted that republicans should that trump does not deserve a be happy because a win is a win of state's expanding influence. joe biden steady at the top with next on "morning joe." second term in offi new quinnip and they keep the seat they've johnson & johnson is a baby company. elizabeth warren searching. coming up on "morning joe" had since 1963. as we have each year, we will democrats should be happy but we're also a cancer fighting, because they made a competitive mark the i was in of 9/11 with a hiv controlling, district romney and trump won by joint replacing, moment of silence from the white 12% in their 2018 suburban gains and depression relieving company. house, tom brokaw covered the from the day you're born attack in real time joins us continue. here's nbc's national political we never stop taking care of you. with his perspective 18 years correspondent steve kornacki later. "morning joe" is back in a last night at the big board. >> it's a fascinating story here now, there's skyrizi. i have moderate to severe froplaque psoriasis.born moment. what happened in this district. 3 out of 4 people achieved... you mentioned the bottom line, ...90% clearer skin at 4 months... dan bishop the republican wins ...after just 2 doses. this district by two points, now skyrizi may increase your risk of infections... represented in the house. ...and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment your doctor should check you this was in 2016 a trump dli for infections and tuberculosis. district. the president won this thing by tell your doctor if you have an infection... double-digits in 2016. ...or symptoms such as fevers,... comes down to a two-point ...sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs... republican victory tonight. ...or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine.

i feel free to bare my skin. why was it close? why was the republican ultimately able to prevail? visit skyrizi.com. there were two different story (classical music playing throughout) lines that kind of converged. each of them is a microcosm of what we talk about nationally. one of the stories is right here in the suburbs, that circle might be too big, the densely populated suburbs of south charlotte. about a third of this district is in mecklenburg county. we talk about it all the time, higher income, college educated suburbs, a place that trump won that portion of the district by three points in 2016. mccready tonight wins it by 13 points. so that's the kind of swing we've been seeing in metro "have you lost weight?" areas, suburban areas across the of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... country in the trump era away from the republicans towards the democrats. if you had said at the start of ...and choose any car in the aisle. the night, that's where mccready was going to end up in and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. mecklenburg county, you might at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. have thought he was going to win outright. why did bishop survive? looking good, patrick. that is the rural vote. the eastern part of this i know.

district when you get away from charlotte, you get away from the (vo) go national. go like a pro. suburbs, these are more blue collar rural areas. that is where it was the election day vote. half the vote's early vote. folks who went out in the rural parts of this district came through big for bishop. the republican. did it have something to do with the rally trump held on election eve in this district. that's certainly possible. it was a big rural turnout, republican turnout for bishop, two different story lines. bottom line, two-point win for the republican. it's mecklenburg county. zoom in here, i say it's geographically tiny. dan mccready, it's a 12-point win for dan mccready. this is actually better than mccready did last november in this part of the district. he won it by ten then, he win it is by 12 tonight n. this same know what more shrimp!ith steak and shrimp? slice of the district i'm and you know what goes great with that shrimp? steak and unlimited shrimp! showing eyou right here trump wn and this year, with two freshly made sides, you'll get more than you imagined. by three in 2016.

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than a year. this was a special election this a new samsung note. time around. click, call or visit a store today. as steve just said, mccready actually did better in this race, even though he lost, in that suburban district around charlotte than he did last fall when he ran. it's getting worse for donald trump in the suburbs. let's remember in the 2016 general election, the win for donald trump over hillary clinton is counted in the tens of thousands in states like michigan, in states like wisconsin and pennsylvania. if you take charlotte and you turn that into milwaukee or turn the staff he wants at any mot that into philadelphia or you turn that into any of the he should have people he trusts and values and whose efforts and suburban areas that states that barely by a sliver went for judgments benefit him in donald trump. if those suburbs flip, you've delivering american foreign got an entirely different policy. there were many times ambassador election in 2020. bolton and i disagreed, that's donald trump won effectively, for sure. . but they can't be happy about >> were you too blindsided by joining us now a member of the trend in those suburban the orlando services and areas. >> not at all. what happened today? >> i'm never surprised. homeland security committees, that happened late last night. now let's get to john bolton out >> what was the last straw for congresswoman elisa slotkin of the president of the united states, there is this dispute michigan. as trump's national security also with us, distinguished adviser, which the president saying the president fired john lecturer at stanford university announced on twitter yesterday. bolton. it was very dramatic. john bolton said actually i and msnbc foreign affairs offered my resignation before the president claimed that he

had informed bolton on monday analyst brett mcgirk. night that his services are, the president fired me. what are you hearing about what he recently served as special quote, no longer needed at the it happened, how it happened? white house. presidential envoy for the boom, just like that. >> reporter: well, i think it trump tweeted, quote, i was a buildup obviously over a global coalition to defeat isis disagreed strongly with many of time of various policy at the state department. his suggestions as did others in mike barnicle and john heilman disagreements and frustration the administration, and with the way john bolton are also still with us along therefore, i asked for his with joe, willie and me. conducted himself internally. resignation, which was given to he's not known for playing nice. me this morning. >> congresswoman, let's begin those disagreements included how that was also the case according with you, it seems we've had to handle iran, north korea, to people we talked to when he quite a few mission accomplished was joined the trump moments over the past 19 years, venezuela and afghanistan. administration. but to elise's point, it really first if iraq and then in iraq however, two sources tell nbc again when we went through and was that, you know, on every news that the final straw came over the weekend when bolton issue almost, he would have, the of course caused other problems refused to push back on reports president would make a decision and now donald trump's talking or he would outline where he about isis being defeated when that he and mike pence disagreed with trump's plan to host the wanted to go on a policy and you his own pentagon is telling him know national security advisers it is not. it is on the rise again. taliban at camp david. disagree we pr i that typicallye what do we do over the next 19 pence tweeted calling the reporting fake news, bolton did years to make sure we don't national security adviser will not, and that, according to nbc get on board and execute the repeat the failures of the last news sources upset the policy and what the president 19 years? >> yeah, well, first of all president, and then there's felt was that john bolton would this. from cbs news, three sources knowing our history, it's disagree with the policy. directly involved tell the the president would make a amazing to me how many people i work in congress, it's amazing network that the quote, main decision that went in the to me how many people don't irritant was the president's direction he wouldn't go, he wouldn't get on board. understand how we got to where he would continue to bush his we are right now either in belief that bolton or those close to him leaked the story views. his views were always phone. afghanistan or iraq.

they don't remember what it was about trump asking if he can use when you think about when he like after 9/11 and how we got came in, the big thing that the into these wars and they don't nuclear weapons to fight president wanted to do is get hurricanes. out of the iran nuclear understand the strategic risk of >> richard haass, this was a agreement. he was frustrated, he fired rex going into the middle east and i think the fact that we're still in iraq and afghanistan right tillerson, secretary of state. he was pushing him to stay in now are proof positive that we the agreement. need to think long term if we're match that never made any sense he fired h.r. mcmaster, bolton's going to get engaged in the from the beginning. middle east. donald trump obviously a so education is the key and then disrupter in foreign policy, predecessor. once they got past that, where john bolton the same, but in pushing, in particular, our bolton and trump were aligned in completely different ways. military to look beyond just the john bolton has advocated for getting out of the agreement, counter terrorism fight. to look at china and russia and the bombing of north korea. things started to diverge. making sure we are prepared for they didn't agree with north he's advocated for the bombing korea and most recently with the whole range of threats. of iran. he of course advocated for the pivot potentially sitting down with iran, they really started we spent a lot of time on that to separate in terms of where in the house armed services bombs of iraq. their views were, ultimately, it committee. donald trump has taken the party >> brett, we remember 2004 was just that the president and the country in the opposite didn't see john bolton as loyal. direction. >> you know, there has been some george w. bush talking about mix this is two minutes searching on accomplished. the mission being aecccomplicea. google would have told donald trump that this was a great reporting in both "the relationship that would never washington post" and the "new we saw donald trump continually york times" in this situation work, especially if donald trump and jeremy bash joins us now was being seen by many as talk about isis being defeated, from washington. playing patsy to kim jong-un, close to being defeated. jeremy, the bolton, of course, now the pentagon is saying patsy to vladimir putin, and they're fighting their way back. thing is the headline on this, but the total dysfunction of the that's also, of course, you know even talking about meeting with the iranians with no foreign policy apparatus of the better than anybody else, that was your singular focus in

united states of america has to preconditions. >> you're exactly right. be a strong second lead here and government. you share those same fierce as donald trump often talked fire it's striking to me and i pentagon official, don't you? and fury. suspect a few other people that >> well, i do. john bolton meant it, whether it it was a very good report from was north korea or iran or just today on the anniversary of the inspector general about anybody else. september 11th, we are talking he rarely met a regime he didn't about a totally dysfunctional want to change. donald trump was just the approach to foreign policy in the few allies that we have left particularly in syria. i met elisa in iraq in 2004 when opposite. inform some ways trump's whole she was working for the agency strongly in the field. and i was working for the approach is america first. what are your thoughts? it's to wind down existing wars. >> it's a great point, mike. defense department. it's amazing how long ago that i mean, this president had been it's sure as hell not to get was. when i put together the campaign lucky. our nation has been lucky. against isis, we tried to do it into new ones. >> that we haven't had a major in a way that took account after john bolton had a fundamentally different approach. crisis on the lot of a very all the lessons learned, very they didn't have a pre-existing relationship. i would just say two other chaos presidency. light foot print, limited we haven't had an attack on the things. one is john bolton did the homeland like 9/11. country any favors in terms of ammunition and a large we came close if june to having coalition, it was something that his real dismantling of the you knew you had to sustain, it a scrape with the iranians, but interagency process. every person in this job has to we avoided that, but donald wasn't over and everybody comes trump and again our nation is home. it was carefully drawn up so we balance the council role and the sort of lucky. weren't putting too many lives process role. imagine, imagine if we had to john bolton didn't balance it. at risk. make large decision about war secretary mattis was on the it was all him and his views and peace, about sending kids show. rather than giving the president we lost 16 compared to thousands into harm's way, about deploying of syrians and iraqis that had any sort of fair intellectual our military forces or been doing the fighting and the die him. honest process, and going but it's not of the. negotiating a very sensitive we have a camp in northeast forward we can sit around the table and speculate who's going syria with thousands of

to get the job. tricky situation like president terrorists. we don't know what to do with the only thing i know is the constant, and the constant is bush 43 had to do in the early them. it is going to take a concerted donald trump, and unless he's days of his presidency with prepared to change his ways, the focus. the chaos and the national question of who is number four china. if we had to do that, we need security team really impacts our professional, we need people quite honestly is not critical. around the president who can own national security here at provide facts, who can provide >> john bolton joins a list now that's getting bigger of people guidance, there is really a home. >> congressman, the anniversary of 9/11 marks a terrible day in who came into this vacuum, there is chaos. administration thinking they could shape the president's effectively, mike pompeo will history and the response to that thinking and influence the way serve both as national security things went, but the power of day in afghanistan. here we are with the president adviser and secretary of state. the president's personality but beyond that, there aren't of the united states, we have always wins out. learned a couple of days ago, perhaps we should have known this was coming when the proposed a meeting at camp david president of the united states many people around the president between the afghan governmentan. stepped into north korea, his that can provide sound advice in national security adviser was in a morning of conflict. do you ung that idea is an texas is not a toppled appropriate one and effective mongolia at the time. state. one? if not, how should we be >> isn't that symbolic when you at least not yet. send someone to mongolia when there is brand-new polling, it's you're having an important meeting like that? definitely worth talking about. approaching afghanistan on this we'll run through the numbers but look, president trump as you next on "morning joe." johnson & johnson is a baby company. anniversary. >> i'm from michigan. said, he knew from the jump that the average michigan der want to john bolton had a, you know, get out of afghanistan. kind of contrarian point of view we spent too much blood and to him. they tried -- what they tried to treasure. i'm very colored by my do was find common ground on the experience we need to make sure we don't leave it to fall to issue of sovereignty, and when trump is america first kind of become another strong hold for bolton was the alter ego of al qaeda or anyone else and having to go back, which is what that. america should be able to do we did for iraq. whatever it needs to defend its but we're also a cancer fighting, for me it's about making sure

that people understand that a hiv controlling, small force, a small stay behind joint replacing, national security interests j r overseas. and depression relieving company. force where the afghans are out i think carol lee that we're going to hear from and her from the day you're born in front is something that still reporting kind of suggests it we never stop taking care of you. makes sense for us as long as wasn't necessarily the idea that the afghans do their part. it was a disagreement. i think it's just people are it was the idea that, you know, choosing a health care provider doesn't have to be." exhausted. they're exhausted by these wars. john bolton made his disagreements known. you know, we really don't know molly: "that's why i choose a nurse practitioner for my family's but we can't at the last minute what mike pompeo is saying to primary care." david: "my np is accessible and pull up steak stakes and leave president trump behind the takes the time to listen. scenes or mike pence. i love my np." it to al qaeda. my feeling is that with pompeo meeting with the taliban at camp molly: "our np orders tests, makes the correct diagnoses and david i have to tell you i heard it's probably, you know, telling prescribes the medications we need." what he wants to hear, but john that it gave me serious pause. david: "my name is david and i choose an np." the idea that we are negotiating bolton went out, was kind of with the taliban, not with the molly: "my name is molly and we choose nps." pretty public about leaking afghan government. at least when i was if these disagreements, and i think np: "consider an np. visit we choose nps.org to learn more." government, i'm sure brett would he thought the president thought echo this, you don't negotiate that bolton made him look bad, with them without them. frankly. it was striking to me we even >> so carol lee, let's turn to the business of hard work... you and your reporting, what was proposed this meeting given what ...hustle... ...and high fives. the last straw for the president they have done to our forces, modernized comfort inn's and suites have been refreshed particularly leaving the afghan of the united states? there's obviously this dispute because our business is you. deposit out. >> brett, we've all heard the saying he fired john bolton, get the lowest price guaranteed on all choice hotels john bolton even going on phrase forever wars, but we now when you book direct at choicehotels.com. have forever enemies. twitter saying i offered my resignation before the president and you and a dozen other fired me. what are you hearing about how at verizon, we're building the most powerful it happened and why it happened? 5g experience for america. national security professionals

>> well, i think -- well, it was that's why the nfl chose verizon. a buildup obviously over time of have raised and let's react because they need the massive capacity right now, the islamic state various policy disagreements and rises again. you are talking the largest frustrations with the way john refugee camp in syria. bolton conducted himself i'm quoting here. at the largest detention camp in internally. ha northeastern syria around he's not known for playing nice, two-thirds of the approximately and that was also the case when 70,000 detainees are under the he joined the trump age of 12. the red cross describes administration, but too elisa's point, it really was that on conditions there as apocalyptic. every issue almost, the president would make a decision or he would outline where he i'll skip the word. thank you, willie. wanted to go on a policy, and you know, national security advisers disagree with this is just a feeding ground for future september 11ths. presidents, you know, that's not new. what's new is that typically the >> there is a camp in northeast national security adviser will syria and there is a lot of terrorists in that camp and the get on board and execute the policy and what the president terrorists that we know of, the felt was that john bolton would head of al qaeda came out of an disagree with the policy. the president would make a egyptian prison. decision that went in the direction he didn't want him to zarkawi came out of a u.s. go, and then he wouldn't get on military prison facility. bag daddy was in a u.s. -- board. he would continue to push his views. his views always were known. if you think about when he came in, the big thing that the president wanted to do is get

out of the iran nuclear baghdaddy was in a u.s. prison. what happened in syria since agreement. he was frustrated. he fired rex tillerson, president trump told to us get secretary of state who was out of syria is we've reduced pushing him to stay in the our resources 50% and increased our objectives. agreement. he fired h.r. mcmaster who that's a strategy fallacy. you can't increase your wanted him objectives while decreasing your resources, there isn't enough bolton and trump were aligned, priority given to this camp. things started to diverge. this is not just an american they didn't agree on north korea obligation. this is something the world has or other issues and recently with the president's to come together and get its arms around w. reconcerned about pivot towards potentially sitting down with iran, they really started to separate in terms of where their views with. it, ali mufon decided to put this out there to shine some ultimately, it was just that the president didn't see john bolton as loyal. light on it. >> you know, carol in addition >> brett, i'm going to ask you to your reporting there's been and the congresswoman the same some great reporting today in question in succession, if we the "washington post" and "new stand back almost ten years in york times" on this situation, and jeremy bash joins us from the trump tenure, have we lost washington. the bolton, of course, thing, is ground? have we held relatively stable the headline on this, but the to where we were with the obama total dysfunction of the foreign administration? how deep is the home we have to policy apparatus of the united dig i dig out of if there is a states of america has to be a hole at all? assess the situation at this strong second lead here. moment. and it's striking to me and i >> look, we've done a pretty

good job across multiple administrations, what the u.s. has done across 9/11 suspect a few other people that today on the anniversary of september 11th, we are talking architecture kept us safe. about a totally dysfunctional global coalition, 80 countries approach to foreign policy and the few allies that we have left sharing information day-to-day. >> that helps keep us safe. strongly in the field. what is concerning is that what are your thoughts? >> that's a great point, mike. i mean, this president has been architecture is being degraded lucky. our nation has been lucky that day-by-day. there is an acting director of we haven't had a major crisis on intelligence in an acting capacity. the watch of a very so this architecture developed dysfunctional chaotic after 9/11 after the 9/11 report presidency. we haven't had an attack on the is being degraded. homeland like 9/11. also what elisa is saying is we haven't had a major military right. confrontation. we came close in june to having she has been out there on the battle groound, she knows this a scrape with the iranians, but we avoided that. and she's a tremendous american. donald trump and our nation is sort of lucky. again i met her 15 years ago in imagine if we had to make large iraq. we have to make sure we see decisions about war and peace, these things through. about sending kids into harm's you can't say they're over and leave. we don't want to overinvest, we way, about deploying our military forces or negotiating a recognize the american people are tired of this. >> congresswoman, same question. very sensitive tricky situation >> i think to me the global war like president bush 43 had to do on terror, which is what we used to call it is global.

in the early days of his right. you cannot do it by yourself. presidency with china. that's the one thing we have if we had to do that, we need learned since 9/11 is plots may professionals. we need people around the start in the middle east and go president who can provide facts, through europe and come to our who can provide guidance, and there's really a vacuum. shores. so for me this sort of culture effectively mike pompeo will in the trump administration of serve as sticking our finger in the chest of your ally, alienating our but beyond that there aren't many people around this allies does have an effect. president who can provide sound we used to have to call up the advice in an hour of conflict. german os tr latvians or whoever and say, hey, we notice this >> richard haass let's talk about what happens next. i talked to a top administration plot, can we get cooperation official last night that said with you. the more we alienate our allies that selecting the next national and make it more difficult for security adviser may be a bit them to work with us the less safe we r. i think that is a easier because of donald trump's problem. >> congresswoman elisa slotkin foreign policy, whether you like it or not, is more defined today of michigan. than it was three years ago. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. that suggests that you could brett mcgirk, thank you as well. tom brought dauda cass on hire a national security adviser the air the morning of the september 11th attacks. much in the model of what you he joins us next. johnson & jn is a baby company. said a national security adviser would be. but we're also a cancer fighting, that's not somebody like john hiv controlling, bolton or even h.r. mcmaster who joint replacing, is trying to shape policy, move and depression relieving company.

policy, but rather somebody that from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you. can move agilely between all the different cabinet heads, all the different agencies, and is acting more like, you know, a it's something we take personally, and believe in passionately. train conductor getting the it's the idea that if our mothers information in and getting were diagnosed with cancer, people communicating with each other and getting the president how would we want them to be treated? that's exactly how we care for you. the information from all the different agencieagencies. >> with one caveat i agree with with answers and actions. you, and that's one of the to hear your concerns, reasons if pompeo stays plays a quiet your fears, big role. lift your spirits. i can imagine several people who have worked with pompeo moving with teams of cancer experts and specialists, into the job, brian hook who' d delivering advanced treatment options the iran coordinator, steve and compassionate support every step of the way. all here in one place, puig with one purpose. beegen. to fight your cancer, together. this president's kind of got to decide with north korea. that's the mother standard of care. do you continue to insist on this is how we inspire hope. something you can get denuclearization. with iran do you cut a deal on this is how we heal. some type of a nuclear accord. on afghanistan, are you prepared

cancer treatment centers of america. to restart diplomacy, venezuela. appointments available now. we can go around the world. the real choice for the (classical music playing throughout) administration may not be whether you use military force or have diplomacy, it's what kind of diplomacy. are you prepared to compromise with these abhorrent or whatever you want to call them, difficult regimes, or do we continue to articulate positions that we simply can't realize? so the administration, i think, is reaching the point of decision, and that's ultimately going to be the president's call, not his national security adviser's call. >> carol lee, thank you for your "have you lost weight?" reporting this morning. a lot going on, and still ahead of course i have- on "morning joe," former ever since i started renting from national. secretary of homeland security because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... jeh johnson, former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha ...and choose any car in the aisle. power, and congresswoman elissa and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. slotkin who served in the cia. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. plus, brand new polling just looking good, patrick. crossed from texas, we'll check on the president's approval rating there and how the

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almost unchanged from last month, down one point. meanwhile, almost six in ten so that's the first moment of silence to mark the 9/11 registered voters polled said that trump does not deserve a attacks. second term in office. mikaela, obviously, on that that's interesting. 39% said he does. morning, you were -- you rushed there's a brand new quiuquen ne into "cbs news" and they immediately had you go down to ground zero. you ran 50, 60 blocks got down there, you were there for two texas, 45% among texas voters. 50% say they disapprove of weeks and it was, a terrible trump's job performance. when it comes to the democrats' race for president, joe biden leads the 2020 field by ten points at 28%. time and -- >> we all ran down there, anyone senator elizabeth warren follows in second place at 18%. who was covering, any reporter ran down there to could have the senator bernie sanders and story and -- to cover the story former texas congressman beto and then we found ourselves o'rourke share third place with running away from the unimaginable. >> that is the towers tumbling 12% of texas voters backing down. tom brokaw was on the air while their respective runs. new polling from new hampshire the country was under attack on shows joe biden and elizabeth september 11th, 2001, here's how warren in a statistical tie. tom framed the tragic events the latest emerson poll has

biden leading the democratic that very morning. >> >> reporter: the magnitude of field by three points at 24% in this will go on some time. the first in the nation primary. this is not just a national tragedy, but this is a national security event of an untold warren follows at 21%, and bernie sanders sits in third magnitude that this country will place with 13% of new hampshire have to deal with. the president is coming back. voters backing his run. we are at war in effect, this the poll also takes a look at country has suffered a head to heads against president devastating attack that will trump with biden leading trump cost us a loss of life, it will by ten points, 55 to 45. cost us in terms of our psychological security that we have in this country. we're going to have to re-visit andrew yang also defeats trump a lot of our freedoms as a by eight points. result of this kind of an attack and then, of course, there is elizabeth warren loses to trump the whole question of by two points. retaliation. this place remains an enormous i feel like that last number is worth discussing. >> i think it is worth target in the eyes of so many discussing. we'll get to that this a second. people. willie, let's talk about the we are so vulnerable because of first numbers we went through, all those things that make us so the president's reelected about great. i think it's 38%, over 55% of our freedoms and our sense of security we sponsor. america has been changed today by all this. >> as always, tom, it's americans don't think donald trump deserves re-election. his approval rating once again extraordinarily prescient there. in the 30s. tom joebs us now. this is, again, for somebody 9/11 -- joins us now. who's been president for three years, the old rule used to be

9/11 partner michael barrish. if you reelect he's below 50% michael represents thousands you're in big trouble. donald trump's reelect first responders who suffered nationwide is below 40%, and in from the toxic dust at ground a lot of the swing states we've zero and continues to fight for seen over the past couple of them to this day through work months, it's actually in the low for the 9/11 victims' 30s. i'm sorry, it doesn't matter how coen many people blindly give him tom, you summed it up all too money, the matrix that they're spitting out there, when you years ago this morning. have numbers like that, it you said, "we are at war," and it is a war that we continue tt reminds me of brit humes famous all of this. first of all, i had said those saying, you can have all the dog buildings are going to have to be brought down, but of course, they came down on their own. food commercials you want, but if the dog doesn't eat the food, and then almost immediately, i was spending a lot of time in you're out of luck. iraq and afghanistan, and i knew >> we've talked about this the consequences of going to war before, people are so bitten by because i was talking to people the 2016 election and being so wrong about what was going to on the ground. obviously, iraq was a shiite happen they hesitate even at this preponderance of evidence country, but the sunnis were that the president's numbers are just terrible, 39% again. aligned with the shia at that he's never crossed 50 pre% in a point. they said, we do not want you major poll. coming in here and telling us 39% and almost 60% of americans, how to live our lives.

when i had have those exchanges with dick cheney and others in 6-0, say he should not be the administration, they would reelected. he should not be returned to say, well, they have to say office. so when you look at those that. well, i don't think they have to democratic numbers on the other say that. i think they'll be resisting side, it sets up a very whatever we decide they should interesting debate tomorrow have. so it was very consequential, night, joe, where for the first time we will see joe biden on the decision to go to war. it still plays out 19 years the stage with elizabeth warren, later in afghanistan, to a on the stage with bernie sanders, and they can have an lesser degree in iraq, but we honest to goodness debate about are losing people constantly sort of the moderate wing of the there, and those decisions were party in joe biden and the more very consequential at that time. progressive side of it with elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. to say nothing, obviously, of but this is playing out the way the emotional trauma in this it's played out all summer. country. we had kind of a safe house for joe biden holding steady at the top with elizabeth warren friends of ours' children who surging. >> you know, mike barnicle, you lost loved ones there, and they came up and spent time with us talk to democrats and i don't in westchester county. know you do as well, we all do, so, the trauma was felt, and i and it seems as if -- i mean, thought it would be much more this is just -- i'm just reporting what everybody's consequential politically than saying behind the scenes, that it's turned out to be. >> yeah, you know, willie -- is joe biden's campaign seems like a slow motion train >> wow. >> -- you were talking about the personal loss, the grieving, and derailment, that they believe he's not going to make it to the you can talk about the policy end. that was changed, but it also it's just what you hear from

changes and has changed over the past 18 years the way we look at almost every democratic insider, ourselves, the way we look at and they believe and many fear our country, the way that we that elizabeth warren is moving toward this nomination eventually. look at others. if that, in fact, is the case, and the grieving continues. and many of those children that those new hampshire numbers, saw that -- and some of them it's only one poll, but those were too young to remember 9/11, new hampshire numbers in the 18 years later, are actually head to head matchup with trump fighting in afghanistan. actually underline something >> yeah, that's an extraordinary truth that some of the people that i hear from democrats, a who will have no memory of 9/11 growing fear that she's running are now over there fighting the a strong campaign but will not be a strong general election war that began that day 18 years candidate. here you see even andrew yang ago. tom, i'll just say again what joe said. i watched that footage of you handily defeats donald trump. and i get chills of how hey, donald trump, you're important your voice was on that getting pounded by andrew i morning. i didn't work at nbc then, but i can't think. he's promising to give people was watching. i didn't feel good. i didn't feel okay. but i felt like there was some like whatever they want, and you're losing to him. stability there because of you. you want $5,000? so, thank you for what you did. okay, i'll get you 5. >> well, can i just also say you want $10,000? something about our business? sure. no sweat, baby. it was across the board. you're losing to him: but you go all of the networks did a great down to elizabeth warren, the job that day. and that's the power of person that most democratic television. it can unify the country when insiders say right now seems to there is that kind of a trauma.

be on the pathway to winning the everybody has a screen. all the screens were turned to nomination, and she's losing, and she's the next door that, whether it was abc or nbc or cbs or cnn. neighbor. that's sort of like she's got and it was a time for us to come the home field advantage. can you explain that number? together and it was the power of >> yeah, let's stipulate first, communication that i think not only unified the country but joe that elizabeth warren has gave us a kind of foundation to run an incredibly great go forward. campaign. >> incredible. >> and michael, let's talk about incredible. >> she was written off earlier this year in the spring, and what's happened since, since that day. >> well, i'll tell you, tom is she's come charging forward. her rallies are electric. more prophetic than he knew when he talked about the unknown she is specific with her magnitude. >> right. >> because we're still having proposals. she does indeed have a plan for what i call the forgotten victims -- the students, the most things, but there's a teachers, the 300,000 office lethal aspect to her campaign workers, the 25,000 residents. when you take the thing to the they're still getting cancer country in the fall, and it's every single day. things like medicare for all. they've linked 68 cancers now to the world trade center toxins. it's decriminalization along the and not a day goes by without border, elements like that where one of my clients dying. she's got to figure out a way to it's horrifying. come back to the middle, and >> so, the fire department in that brings you to joe biden. new york lost 343 firefighters that day. that's where he is. >> and now over 205 since as a that's where he's run his result of 9/11 illnesses. >> so, it's fair to say the day campaign since the day he is not terribly far away when we announced. he's a moderate. this isdee yesterday will have lost climbing as they

in north carolina, which gave and more illnesses, more and every person working for the democratic party to target thei more cancers to the list. >> you know, one of the things -- willie and i were voters and get out the vote in talking about this earlier, the fall. what's happened to us as a the suburban voters, the city country. that may have been, probably voters, they're going to go was, the last time this country was unified, truly unified. democrat. you know where the republicans are going to go. and the way we measure history >> yeah, sorry about that, mike. today, with all of these things so i'm tired from staying up we have -- twitter and instagram watching the red sox lose and everybody -- so, history is another game last night. a function for most people, is >> yeah. like what happened at 6:00 a.m. >> that was a tough one. or maybe yesterday afternoon. and i wonder and i worry about so we at least got one inning. the impact of september 11th, the memory of september 11th, still the impact of september mira says we should put an 11th podium on stage tonight since 11th today -- what's it like out there beyond manhattan, beyond boston, where the flights cashen survived an inning. originated from? what's it like out there in the don't bring up yankee's middle of the country? do they realize still what baseball, we don't want to hear about it. >> last night was a rough night, happened? >> for the people who came toho i won't talk about it. >> there is a problem, though, all over the country, the sad reality is they don't realize that their cancers that they got again, i'm only talking about

in 2008, let alone last year, democrats, that they won't -- have been linked to those world most of them won't say it on the air, most of them won't say it, trade center toxins. so they're getting sick and but real concerns that elizabeth dying all over the country, and they don't realize that there's warren's running a great race. now the victim compensation fund and the free health care from she's running the strongest campai campaign. the concerns about joe biden niosh, from the world trade keep rising. center health program. that's why this third debate is and that's why i am so glad that you're helping us spread the so extraordinarily important to word about this. >> tom, one of the things you him. there are a lot of democrats who said a second ago is you fear that biden's going to reflected on the political consequences have been less than collapse. warren's going to win, and then you expected. and in some ways, you think they're going to have a matchup about the direct kind of political implications and the where elizabeth warren gets ways 9/11 has faded for a lot of blown away in states like texas people in memory. at the same time, it seems to me and states like wisconsin and if you go back and play out that states like pennsylvania that history, 9/11 leads to the iraq republicans should be losing. war. the iraq war at this moment >> i hear the same thing, and i still seems to be defining. think the tension for an you don't have donald trump as elizabeth warren is if she were president of the united states to get the nomination, is she if you don't have the iraq war and the sentiment in the country that america's overextended able to do the pivot, the itself in trying to be the candidates historically have world's policeman. done and not lose her base and it feels to me like the knock-on effects, not the direct persuade others that she's political implications of 9/11, but the indirect ones are

legitimate. i think there's also the question, joe, that if you're defining our politics still to this day. >> well, what is also striking right that joe biden does to me, and i'll go back to this ultimately fade, his support is for a moment, this was the broader than it is deeper, one of the questions is when and traumatic event because we were how, and is there time for knitted together. everybody saw what was going on, somebody else to step up and however remote they were, claim the centrist alternative wherever they were in this to the progressives, whether country. but at the same time, there was it's kamala harris or somebody else. so that to me is also another not ever an appreciation of what we were getting into in the sub text of the debate this week middle east. is do we begin to see a centrist afghanistan has been invaded thousands of times over 2,000 alternative to joe biden and to years, and hank crumpton, who ran that war brilliantly for the either elizabeth warren or bernie sanders? >> the other possibility is joe cia, knew what he was getting biden does really well and for into. that was not the case in iraq. democrats that is the best bet they thought that they could go in there and clean it up, you can remember, in just a matter because it's going to be pretty hard for an elizabeth warren or of a few days. but it was a terribly costly a kamala harris to establish lesson in how much we don't know that comfort level with perhaps about the middle east and how we the people who voted for trump still haven't figured it out in a lot of ways. who need a place to go, who you know, i was in iraq a lot of won't do it again. times. i was in afghanistan a lot of they'll vote for biden. times. i remember being -- i'll just i'm not sure they'll vote for tell one quick story. when we were being told by the anybody else in the field. the hope for democrats, the best administration, we can clean

this up in a hurry because the hope is that biden gets really strong on the stage. sunnis will be on our side as >> what donald trump's team the majority religion there, and they'll take on the shia. thinks is even if they don't vote for biden, right, they will i went to a school away from my stay home thinking, well, biden minder, so to speak. and it was a graduation day at a suny school -- 1,000 kids, a lot isn't a, quote, socialist. of them doing american studies. biden is not going to take away and when i said, what happens if my family's health insurance. the united states comes, they biden is not going to make us -- >> comfort level. turned absolutely cold-blooded and said we'll fight you to the >> -- find a new pediatrician death. and i said, but you're shiite. your leader is sunni. for our children, biden is not going to decriminalize illegal we're iraqis. that's what you don't understand. and it was that kind of immigration. i'm not going to vote for the fundamental not understanding, guy, but i can't vote for donald and then letting the army go away after they took down saddam trump either, the guy who's acted too crazy. was a terrible mistake, frankly. i'm going to stay at home. >> biden's the best care these were paid people. they were in the army because that's the only way they could scenario for democrats. earn a living. we could have turned them, but we didn't, and we're still paying the price. if it's elizabeth warren or >> well, tom brokaw, thank you bernie sanders, they will actually motivate people who in so many ways for your perspective, your reporting, your insight in the moment, and were skept cical on troufrump t 18 years later. out and vote. >> m cog up, a lot to discuss

and michael barrish, thank you. with our next guest, former the victims of 9/11 were not homeland security secretary jeh just those who died that day. >> i'm glad you remember. johnson is standing by. thank you. >> the thousands of people who really put their lives on hold and u.s. national security 18 years after 9/11. to try and help and then ended up getting sick as well. "morning joe" is back in a moment. the sort of ripple effect of 9/11 is still lasting, joe, today, for those who were there, for those who lost somebody, for those who tried to help, for those who covered the story. it's never going to leave us. >> yeah, it is. it will never leave us. and leaders have used that event (classical music playing throughout) to divide us in many ways. i know right after 9/11, though, as tom alluded to and others have alluded to, this country was united. >> yeah. >> i was in pensacola, florida, at the time, taking my child to school. but i'll tell you what, i felt the same feeling, whether i was in northwest florida or whether i was in new york city.

we were one people with one purpose. and all of those people that were coming out of the rubble of it's how we care for our patients- 9/11, and you saw the dust like job. his team at ctca treated his cancer scattered on them, you could not and side effects. so job can stay strong for his family. tell their nationality. you couldn't tell what color cancer treatment centers of america. they were. we were one america. appointments available now. cancer treatment centers of america. yesss, i'm doing it all. let us pray that in the coming the water. years, we can move beyond that the exercise. and become one america again. the fiber. month after month, >> well, we'll work for that. and i still have belly pain and recurring constipation. and that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the so i asked my doctor what else i could do, coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. and i said yesss to linzess. thanks, joe. hi, there. linzess treats adults with ibs i am stephanie ruhle. with constipation or it is wednesday, september 11th, chronic constipation. linzess is not a laxative, it works differently. 18 years almost to the minute that the first plane struck the it helps relieve belly pain and lets you have twin towers. and now, nearly two decades more frequent and complete bowel movements. later, the united states is do not give linzess to children less than 6, facing foreign policy challenges on multiple fronts, from places and it should not be given to children 6 to less than 18, like iran, new york, russia, and it may harm them. do not take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. china, and with john bolton now get immediate help if you develop leaving the white house, there unusual or severe stomach pain, are huge questions about how we especially with bloody or black stools. will confront all of these challenges.

the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. as we speak, we are waiting for president trump to announce his if it's severe, stop taking linzess new pick to become the fourth and call your doctor right away. national security adviser in other side effects include gas, stomach area pain, and swelling. less than three years. that is more than any other i'm still doing it all. the water. first-term president in u.s. the exercise. the fiber. history. and i said yesss to linzess but while his departure illustrates the chaos and for help with belly pain infighting of this and recurring constipation. administration, most americans are probably going to let that ask your doctor. slide, as long as the president and his team are able to keep this country safe. i have a fantastic team here. carol lee has brand-new, exclusive reporting about how john bolton's departure unfolded. ben rhodes served as deputy national security adviser to ♪ ♪ president obama. nick rasmussen was award winning interface. ♪ ♪ award winning design. ♪ ♪ award winning engine. ♪ ♪ the volvo xc90. our most awarded luxury suv. ♪ ♪

. and we're learning more about a top spy for the cia who multiple reports say was successfully exfiltrated by the united states from russia back in mid-2017. according to "the washington post" a former russian government official thought to be that individual has been hiding in plain sight in the washington, d.c. area and has been going by his own name, which nbc news is not reporting over safety concerns. it backs up nbc news reporting that current and former government officials say that a former senior russian official who had access to government secrets is currently living in the washington area under u.s. government protection. nbc news has not confirmed that this official is the cia asset

mentioned in reports stating he was instrumental in helping the cia learn about russian election interference. however, two former fbi officials tell nbc news they believe he is the source referred to in those reports. a russian newspaper also reports that the individual disappeared in 2017 during a family vacation in montenegro. nbc news is not reporting the name of someone believed to be that individual and other key details at the request of u.s. officials who say reporting the information could endanger his life. however, that hasn't stopped kremlin press secretary demetrius pes kof who according to russia's state run tasks reacted to the reports in u.s. media by naming an individual who previously worked in putin's presidential administration. this does bring to mind a 2015

episode involving the founder to russia's state funded rt network who died under mysterious circumstances in a dupont circle hotel days before he was set to meet with u.s. justice department investigators. jeremy bash, what questions does this raise, especially about election interference? >> well, there are a lot of concerning aspects about the story and frankly a lot of concerning aspects about the reporting. i'd be remiss if i didn't say this, i think it was a mistake and it was fairly irresponsible of a lot of american national media organizations to go out there and be so specific about the way that we utilized a human source, even going so far as to identifying his address, and some organizations even published his name. i get it. the point is that the russians did it, and of course the russians knew of an individual the moment he didn't show up for work one day, but these are our human sources and in theory if the reporting is somewhat

accurate, this is someone who frankly is a hero because this individual risked his or her life by being an asset in place on behalf of the united states collecting vital information providing it to our government and then basically risked their life by getting out with his or her family. i think we've got to tamp down a lot of the discussion about the person's house, the street, the detailed rortsecords. it does point to a larger point, which is of course we need information about the way the kremlin is going to interfere in 2020. we know it's on putin's agenda. if we don't have the intelligence apparatus to understand it, we're going to be blind. >> thank you very much for being on this morning. willie. >> joining us here in new york, former secretary of homeland security under president obama, jeh johnson. good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> we want to talk to you about the 18th anniversary of 9/11, and also get you in on some of

the matters of the day, some of the news out there including a conversation about this democratic presidential field. there's another debate tomorrow night. after the first debate in miami back in july, you wrote a column in "the washington post" expressing some frustration with what you saw on the stage that night around the conversation about immigration, and that included some of the candidates on stage saying it should not be a crime to come to this country illegally, that you should be allowed to stay. what is your message to democrats as they take the stage again tomorrow night on issues like immigration? >> all right well, first of all, that "washington post" op-ed was probably version two. version one was a little more animated. >> so what was your frustration? >> look, most americans want to be fair and treat in a humane way those who have migrated here who are desperate, who are fleeing really bad conditions. we want to take care of people

who came here as children. we want to take care of the dreamers, but americans also want secure borders. they want to get control of illegal migration, and that's true, i know from laredo, texas, to detroit, michigan, and so when we talk about deprioritizing the deportation of those apprehended at the border or decriminalizing illegal immigration, i know that we're going way too far to the left of the american consensus on where we should be on this, and you just cannot have a policy where a border patrol agent arrests someone at the border and says, in effect, you get to stay here unless you commit a crime. >> right. >> that just simply incentivizes more illegal immigration. we lose control of our borders. in the same vein, by taking a formal step of decriminal uizin

illegal immigration, what we're saying as a country or society is we're prepared to see a lot more of this. society is prepared to see that behavior perhaps regularly but en masse and i don't think that's where the american people are. i'm a democrat, i'm a loyal democrat, and i want to see us win in 2020, but to do that we've got to appeal to the wide consensus out there on immigration and a lot of other issues. >> this is no endorsement of the trump administration's policies at the border, you're just warning democrats not to go too far to the left. you've got a line where you write those who aspire to public office should not espouse campaign promises that have no prospect for success. this is a disservice to our democracy and assumes voters are fools. who are you talking to there? >> everybody. every candidate. >> every democrat. >> every democrat including andrew yang who's apparent ri eight points ahead of donald trump, i think that's a really interesting poll.

>> richard haass what do you make of his analysis on the democratic field and immigration. >> it's also on taking health care away, private health care conceivably from 175 million americans. you just have to resist the pull to the far left that would preclude you from ever -- this at the end of the day is not a progressive country. this is a pretty moderate country. the question is can democrats -- on all these issues. what about foreign policy, you don't see on national security, there's a little bit of that in the immigration conversation, what about more broadly whether it's trade or on quote, unquote forever wars, what's your sense of the foreign policy conversation on the democratic side? to what extent does that also make you uneasy? >> i think americans expect their government to -- whether it's homeland security or the military to keep them safe, to do what's necessary to keep them safe. while i was in office, my goal, which i believe was supported be

by the american people is keep us safe but let's stay true to our values, preserve our civil liberties but also preserve our physical security. so much of what we do in national security, and you know this richard, is striking the right balance between preserving our values and preserving our physical safety. >> mr. secretary, i mean, to follow the point it seems as if, you know, the democrats are, you know, focused a lot on the criticism of the president's policy without specifically presenting their own ideas and not, you know, on the issue of democracy and foreign policy, not kind of acknowledging the changes that brought trump here in the united states and you know, brexit and boris johnson and all of these populous movements sweeping through, do you think democrats are putting forward enough? we talked about elizabeth warren putting forward her specific proposals but that they're caught too much in, you know,

trump should not be president? >> look, if we're talking about an affirmative position on national security, take afghanistan, for example. i believe that rather than a true presence of say 100,000 or complete withdrawal, what the united states needs to do, at least for the time being, is to keep a force in place there at the levels that fairly guarantee that no other terrorist organization can reestablish a cal fate there, at least in the short-term until there's a more stable government there, until the civil war between the taliban and the afghan government is somehow resolved. i think we have to continue some level of presence there to keep the american people safe. i agree that when you're tal ca, it should be america first. our national interests first, and one of the ways to do that

is through alliances, and jim mattis talks about this a lot, through alliances ensure our safety around the world in places like afghanistan, in praises like somalia, yemen, pakistan, iraq, and elsewhere. >> that would mean, though, that you would oppose the candidates who are calling for unconditional calendar based withdrawals from afghanistan because we're hearing that. >> that is correct. i would oppose any such thing. i think we need to maintain some level of presence in afghanistan to ensure that al qaeda or the islamic state does not establish a callphate there. >> let many ask both of you, it's september 11th, 2019. this country has been extremely fortunate due to the diligence, the sacrifice, the hard work of many americans on the front lines in the war on terror.

>> correct. >> let's say france wired within syria, there's a specific issue that could be explosive later today or tomorrow, so the national security director for macron, who does he call here? >> that's a good question. there's been so much turn in this administration we're now considering people for jobs that were fired in round one. i saw tom bossert was on the list. >> recycling. >> recycling. >> right, right. >> mark morgan was fired in the early days of this administration. he's now at -- he's now at i.c.e. so your question demonstrates the volatility of so much turnover in this administration, but on the question of 9/11, mike, a lot of people ask me are we safer today than we were 18 years ago? the answer is yes and no. we're safer in the respect that our government does a much better job of detecting and

preventing large scale foreign directed terrorist attacks on the homeland. i can't tell you the number of overseas plots that we stopped in their tracks over the last 18 years, countless to keep the american people safe. where we're challenged now are the smaller scare terrorist inspired attacks by the self-radicalized either by something they see and read from a foreign terrorist organization or extreme right wing violent nationalism. people ask me, what's the answer? i say the first three answers are gun safety, gun safety, gun safe safety, and we just have to address this. if joe manchin and pat toomey can get together on this -- and thes are t states with strong positions on the second amendment -- if they can exercise the political courage to come together on this, the rest of the congress ought to be able to do that, and i think that the time is now finally

right for congress to do something about gun safety. we have to address that as a matter of our public sauffety a homeland security. >> there's been an acknowledgment, a public acknowledgment from the director of the fbi that the majority of the plots disrupted in the last year were domestic oriented and were from white supremacist violence. is there finally now a change in posture from intelligence agencies? >> right wing violent nationalist attacks now outpace attacks inspired by foreign terrorist organizations. the antidefamation league and others have tracked that, and look, whether it's foreign inspired, domestic inspired, we have to address first and foremost for the safety of the american people the ability of a violent deranged individual to get his hands on a gun, particularly an assault weapon

in this country, and if we do not, our leaders in congress and in the white house are letting down the american people. this can't go on. >> former secretary of homeland security jeh johnson, we always appreciate your insights particularly on the an rers niv of 9/11. we'll talk to another member of the obama power team, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, samantha power. before we go to break, a look at the pentagon just moments ago where the united states flag was unfurled ahead of today's 9/11 memorial service there. we're back in just a moment. they're america's biopharmaceutical researchers.

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. you're looking at live pictures of -- wow, the area around ground zero, freedom tower, and as we remember the moment so many years ago, 18 years ago where almost 3,000

people were killed in these two separate attacks on the twin towers. today we'll be remembering 9/11 and the moment everything really changed for america, our reality changed. our sense of safety changed and the way we live our lives changed forever. welcome back to "morning joe." it is wednesday, september 11th with joe, willie and me we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, journalist and resident at georgetown university school of foreign service elise labott, national affairs analyst for nbc news john heilemann, he's the co-host and executive producer of show time's "the circus" and host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. we'll get to the ouster of john bolton in just a moment, but first a new cnn poll finds that more than half of americans say they disapprove of president trump's job performance.

trump's disapproval sits at 55%. his approval rating remains almost unchanged from last month down one point to 39%. meanwhile, almost six in ten registered voters polled said trump does not deserve a second term in office. 39% said he does. interesting question about deserving a second term. >> john heilemann, we've said this before, the old rule in politics used to be that if an incumbent reelects below 50%, they're in trouble. that of course has changed in these divisive times but i'll tell you what, being below 40% and in some of the swing states being in the low 30s, that takes it to an entirely new level, and you know, i was saying this to a friend yesterday that very involved in presidential politics that when i talk to

people involved in the trump campaign and they start talking about all the money they're raising and they start talking about the matrixes, all this, all that, i say this reminds me of somebody. who does this remind me of? robbie mook. they are talking now like the clinton campaign was talking in 2015 thinking that all the money in the world and all the analytics in the world can sauf -- save a candidate that is just disliked by american voters. >> there's no doubt, joe, that all the things you just said are true starting with the notion that it's the case that we've seen a couple of presidents in recent times, particularly barack obama who for most of his first term was a little under 50 in terms of his approval rating and who's the right track wrong track numbers through most of that period in 2012 were not on

his side. things have changed. being below 50 is survivable for an incumbent president, but being below 40 is a truly worrying thing. the president of the united states is going to come into this re-election campaign in a historically weak position, not a position in which he can't win but a position where he is historically weak. if he drew a straight flush in 2016, he's going to have to draw a straight royal flush in 2020. we now see people modeling worlds where donald trump could lose the popular vote by 5 million, not the 2.5 million he lost in 2016. there's a way you can get to the electoral college 270 and still lose the popular vote overwhelmingly. that said, anybody on the trump campaign who thinks that data, analytics, having a lead on facebook, all of the things they have, which are real, that it's going to overcome the profound unpopularity of the president, that that is going to be enough

is smoking something, and i'd like to know what brand it is, i'd like to take some for myself. >> easy. >> the reality is the president -- the problem the president has to do, and we'll talk about this more i know with the rest of the polls, the president, the only thing that can save the president is turning this race into a choice, not a referendum, and having a really unpopular democratic candidate. >> think about this, willie following up on what john saud and what i've been hearing, somebody close to the trump campaign was telling me yesterday again, they're in this dream world thinking, again, they've got -- you know, because they ran -- basically there were three people running the campaign in 2016 throughout most of the primaries, right? so now they're the establishment figure. they've got all the money. they've got all the analytics. they've got everything that they need, and yet somebody in the

trump orbit said yesterday we have already spent more money on online ads than we spent in the entire primary campaign, and we're still sitting in the 30s. money can't make the dogs eat the food. >> that's right. i'm reminded as you're talking about the algorithms that the trump campaign says it has now of the story you and i know of james carville when he was told by the clinton campaign, don't worry, everything is fine. we have an al fwgorithmalgorith. i got an algorithm. he knew in his gut that something was wrong there. i think there are a lot of people, republicans, perhaps some of these suburban voters that voted against a republican last night in the charlotte area in north carolina, even though the republican won there, who see in their gut that this isn't going well, that this isn't the way they want the country to be run. as john says, there are many

paths to the election for president trump, there's a new quinnipiac poll from texas, that states stands at 45% among voters there. 50% say they disapprove of president trump's job performance, under water in the state of texas. when it comes to the democrats' race for president, joe biden leads the 2020 field by ten points in the state of texas at 28%. is that right elizabeth warren follows in second place at 18. senator bernie sanders and former texas congressman beto o'rourke share third place with 12% and new polling from new hampshire shows joe biden and elizabeth warren in a statistical tie, the latest emerson poll has biden leading the democratic field by three points at 24% in that first in the nation primary. warren follows at 21%, and bernie sanders sitting in third place at 13%. the poll also takes a look at head to heads against president trump with biden leading trump

by ten points, 55 to 45. andrew yang also defeating trump by eight points. however elizabeth warren loses to trump by two points, 49 to 51. troublesome number perhaps there, andrea mitchell for elizabeth warren, but what do you see in those head to head matchups? >> biden is still on top. biden's got some problems state to state. in another poll yesterday i believe he was very strong in south carolina, where he has so much african-american support, but he was falling behind bernie sanders and falling behind elizabeth warren as well. if you look at the state to state polls, which is what we all look at here, not the popular vote, he does not have the dominant lead that he has. he's got really big stakes coming up with elizabeth warren in that te badebate. and andrew yang's support, i heard jeh johnson say that earlier and former pentagon official, he also knows

politics. >> yes, he does, elise labott there's just a comfort level with joe biden. >> there's a comfort level with joe biden and some of these other candidates particularly elizabeth warren who's doing so well. it just seems so progressive and to the left, even if there were people that would want to vote against president trump, similarly the way they voted for trump against hillary clinton, i think they just don't have that comfort level, and that's why elizabeth warren has been calling up democratic party leaders to say listen, just similarly to the way amy globe sh klobuchar did in the first debate, i'm not this crazy progressive. i want to bring the party to the center. i think the fact that all of these candidates including andrew yang are doing so well against trump just shows there is such this trump fatigue. i don't even think necessarily it's about, you know, individual policies, of course immigration and that's really one of the big

issues, i think dividing the country and the divisions itself. i think that just the whole idea that things that really got trump elected his personality, his populist attitude, his disruption are now just kind of making the country so tired, and his personality is really working against him i think. >> so now let's get to andrea mitchell, the ouster of national security adviser john bolton. is it the third now? >> fourth. >> third national security adviser. >> it's the fourth? >> is it the fourth? how many have we had? we started with flynn. we're looking for the fourth. >> yeah. there was an acting national security adviser after mike flynn, but that doesn't count. >> got it. so right, so we are in i think a period of quite a large amount of upheaval in terms of our foreign policy and the staffing of this administration. i think the question to jeh johnson on this show about who exactly would receive a phone

call from the president of france in the middle of the night, we don't know who that is, actually, at this point. but also, let's talk andrea about what went down yesterday when this happened. the president oent went on twitter. he vehemently said it was him that fired bolton. bolton started calling reporters saying actually, no i left. i wonder if this exit from the administration might be a little different in terms of what we hear on the other side. >> because when you hire a fox news commentator who auditioned for the job on fox news, you're going to get somebody who goes back on the air or who talks. i mean, he was tweeting his objections. he was texting reporters including our own reporters at the white house immediately. i was on the air when this all happened. it happened one minute before we started our show, so we blew everything out and just went wall to wall for the hour, and people were texting in and showing me their texts from john bolton as we were rocking back and forth.

the fact is he is going to be very outspoken. he is not leaving quietly at all as you point out mika, and he's going to outline his differences. h.r. mcmaster has not been heard from. he's been working on his book. he left quietly. jim mattis has been criticized for coming on your program, my program, and other programs and not being more critical of the president, you know, after quitting in protest and writing a very pointed resignation letter, but has demurred from being sharply critical, you knowing, saying that as a retired general he has another obligation. no one who has left the national security team is going to be as outspoken as john bolton. >> this is incredible and elise labott -- >> let me just say quickly. they disagreed on so many issues. what you're going to see now is a president who is unrestrained. mike pompeo will pull him back in some instances but has been very clear that he is not going to go against this president. he was all smiles in that white

house briefing roof yesterday, he and steve mnuchin about the departure of john bolton and he disagreed with bolton, the president did on iran and north korea, afghanistan, on every possible issue, and now what is going to be the guardrail? we'll see whether mike pompeo is actually in effect de facto or literally the national security adviser in a kissinger mode because it's going to be a pompeo loyalist who takes over. >> so elise, you just get the feeling having said that, andrea, that this was very abrupt. there isn't a long resignation letter. >> no. >> the president's not being protected in terms of, you know, bolton being sort of elegant and leaving quietly. this is abrupt. who's going to replace him? >> just to your point, mika, i mean, listen say what you will about john bolton and his policy views, he's a lot more of a hawk than anybody, and we've talked about that on this show a lot,

but he stuck to the principles that he had, and so the idea that now they had a policy disagreement, i think, you know, i think president trump is going to see when some of these views happen, some of these policies tank, he's going to need someone to talk tough to him, and i don't know if mike pompeo is going to do that. he's really going to need to step up and give president trump husband unvarnished views. right now i think he's going along with what president trump wants and trying to implement. my understanding and there are some -- there are some names out there. we've heard keith kellogg who was an adviser to vice president mike pence, brian hook as we said, the iran envoy, and rick waddell who also works in central asian and was a deputy national security adviser. my understanding is that the white house has no idea who they

want, and yesterday i spoke to several people in the foreign policy community that said they were getting calls from intermediaries between jared kushner and others asking for names. it's going to have to be someone that can work with secretary pompeo as you heard lindsey graham say, but it is going to be someone that's going to be more someone who's going to call the foreign policy process as opposed to an adviser. that's why it's going to be so key for secretary pompeo to fill that kissinger role in terms of really advising the president on the best course, not what he wants to hear. >> scrambling. >> john heilemann, think about the politics, how this lines up politically. you have a national security adviser who's fired for not being sufficiently willing to deal with the taliban, not pro-taliban enough a politician could say because he didn't want the taliban to come to camp

david without absolutely no preconditions, absolutely no planning whatsoever. you could say the same thing about he was insufficiently pro-putin. he was insufficiently pro-kim jong-un and pro-north korea, and he was insufficiently -- you could go down the the list, iran. donald trump now wants to talk to the iranians. >> right. >> with no preconditions. >> right. >> it's just -- again, this is -- it's like let's make a deal, and he will play let's make a deal with the worst dictators and thugs in the world. if there were any candidate that could even pretend to be strong on the campaign trail, this is a glaring political weakness for a guy who tries to show strength, he's going to be patsy to the worst dictators in the world.

what you have in trump in this instance, i think, joe is a characteristic that a lot of rich people, especially rich people in business have, and it's that thing you meet enough tycoons and moguls, they have this incredibly, not based -- to see my point of view. i can close this sale, and for many of them who are rich, they have some evidence that they've been successful in that space before, so you have donald trump who's beyond the normal tycoon, beyond the normal mogul in his degree of narcissism, his degree of self-involvement, his degree of unshakable in his case not necessarily quite so rooted in reality view of his ability to close the deal in the room. it's not about ideology, and it's not about any consistent world view, it's about he wants a national security adviser who will believe in his salesmanship to the degree that he does and will basically just agree with anything he wants to do. and yeah, i think as a political matter, one of the things that a strong democratic nominee is

going to -- should be doing in the course of this campaign is pointing out just the absolute fecklessness of the trump foreign policy and how that narcissism has kept donald trump from advancing american interests across the world. he can't point to very many examples, if any examples, where that faith in himself has borne out in reality. >> well, and willie, john brings up a great point. the underlying conceit of donald trump's entire political career has been, oh, i can make deals better than those idiots. i mean, come on, trade wars are easy. negotiating with the north koreans is easy. negotiating with the taliban nothing to it. i mean, and john is right. i mean, when i was in politics, i'd always hear from these business people, the ones i especially loved were the ones who inherited all of their money from daddy, and they would come, you know, you guys are such idiots and all you need to do is

go in and point a finger and say this is how it's going to get done. and you sit there and go that would be great but the fact that there are 534 of them other than me, so it doesn't work quite that way, cowboy. but that is -- that's the underlying conceit. there is a history of that. that's what got fdr in trouble according to historians. fdr thought always believe in the power of his own persuasion even with somebody like joe stalin. that's what donald trump has believed in all interactions with foreign leaders. i can just sit down and talk to them, i can make a deal. i can deal with them. no, you can't. you can't with the taliban. you can't with the iranians for the most part, especially after everything donald trump said, you can't with kim jong-un, and the list goes on. it's that arrogance that is getting the united states in deeper and deeper every day.

>> and remember, that was really the rationale for his campaign was that he was not a politician. he was the guy you watched on the apprentice every week. he was going to come in as president and not just shake up washington but change the way foreign policy was conducted. he was going to bang his fist on the desk and tell kim jong-un what's what. he was going to tell the iranians what's what, and everything was going to change. that's not how our system was set up. >> and mexico is going to pay for the wall. believe me, mexico's going to pay for the wall. why? because i tell them. >> when he was frustrated, that's why you see executive action and the rest of it. house democrats are set to advance their impeachment investigation sfwoo president trump starting with a vote in the house judiciary committee tomorrow that will set the rules for any impeachment hearings. joining us now the chairman of that committee, democratic congressman jerry nadler of new york. mr. chairman, good morning, it's good to see you.

>> good morning. >> i think a lot of americans perhaps took the month of august off from thinking about impeachment and basically what's going on in washington. they were with their kids, they were at the beach. so what is the status now as you all come back in session from your recess of impeachment in the house and before your committee? >> well, status, first of all, is that that's not the only thing in front of our committee. we reported out the six bills yesterday, three bills dealing with reducing gun violence, one bill to stop forced arbitration so people have their rights to trial. and tomorrow we are going to vote on procedures. we have been involved for the last several months, the judiciary committee has been involved for the last several months in an investigation of the president's various misconducts to determine among other things whether to recommend impeachment articles to the house, and what we're doing -- and we've been -- we've been doing that consistently. and what we're doing tomorrow is

adopting procedures enabling us to do it more effectively. we will be adopting a procedure to enable counsel to cross examine witnesses for half an hour after all the members have had their five minutes apiece. another rule will be to allow the -- to allow us to handle sensitive information privately, and the third rule will be to afford the president's counsel the opportunity to submit questions or answers to various accusations before the committee. >> chairman, two quick questions, just on a technical basis looking at the calendar, isn't it getting kind of late in terms of impeachment to be proceeding with this the way you are proceeding with it? and the second question is what do you think most americans would rather hear you focusing on, impeachment or background checks, strong, strong background checks and gun legislation. >> well, we reported strong

background checks to the house and the house voted, approved the bill for strong background checks way back in february. those bills have been sitting in the senate waiting for the republican majority, for mcconnell to allow them to be voted on. we did that back in february. we added yesterday we recommended to the house and we'll probably vote on that next week i assume in the house, a ban on high capacity magazines, extreme risk protection orders on a federal and state level for people who are dangerous, and a couple of other bills to deal with the gun thing, so we also voted a bill to deal with forced arbitration and another one on establishing a small claims court for intellectual property, so we're doing all that work in addition to considering the president's misconduct and we will have to consider as part of that whether to recommend articles of impeachment, and we'll do that as rapidly as

well. but of course the speed with which we can do that has been held up by the president's totally stonewalling and as he said, he would totally stone wall and deny all congressional subpoenas. they have done that. we've gone to court to enforce those subpoenas, and i might add that stone walling congressional subpoenas is one of the articles which nixon's impeachment was based. >> mr. chairman, andrea mitchell has a question for you. andrea. >> thanks so much, mr. chairman, the question about guns and mandatory buybacks has come up on the debate stage and among the candidates. do you think the democratic candidates are on the right path when they talk about mandatory buybacks and a ban on assault weapons, and if so, why isn't your committee passing that kind of legislation now? >> well, we're going to have a hearing on banning assault weapons in two weeks on september 25th, we may very well pass that again -- >> aren't you running out of time, sir?

>> no, i don't think we're running out of time. >> there isn't that many days between now and -- >> we have time to do what we have to do. we voted and the house voted for the -- for the universal background checks legislation back in february, and that's been sitting in the do nothing republican senate since then. we reported three bills yesterday as i mentioned, and that will be voted by the house probably next weekend on september 25th in two weeks, we will have a hearing on the assault weapons ban. and one of the bills we reported yesterday was to ban the sale of high capacity magazines, which by all testimony is what makes these mass shootings much worse. we're doing that. buybacks may go a little further than people are willing to go, mandatory buybacks, but

certainly assault weapons ban, we will consider and i assume we will vote for it. >> all right, chairman of the house judiciary committee, congressman jerry nadler, thank you very much, and thanks for being on this morning. andrea mitchell, thank you as well. >> you bet. >> still ahead on "morning joe," we'll talk to former u.s. ambassador to the united nations under president obama. samantha power joins us. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ walk on by johnson & johnson is a baby company.

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>> is the national security team a mess? >> absolutely not. that's the most ridiculous question i've ever heard of. >> wow. that was secretary of state mike pompeo and treasury secretary steve mnuchin reacting to the ouster of john bolton. >> and by the way, this is "the wall street journal" lead editorial today on john bolton, and they say right in the lead, america a america's adversaries lost a rare internal constraint on president trump's inconsistent and transactional security instincts. the world is now a more dangerous place. >> joining us now former u.s. ambassador to the united nations under the obama administration, now a professor at the harvard kennedy school, samantha powers. she's out with her new memoir entitled "the education of an idealist." i love that. we'll talk about that in just a moment. do you agree with the wall street journal that we are less safe and more importantly, how would you characterize the state

of the white house foreign policy team? we're on our fourth national security adviser, and i don't know how many secretary of states. never seen anything like this before. >> we haven't, and it's worth putting the national security adviser job in context. we're also missing a director of national intelligence, a deputy director of national intelligence, a secretary of homeland security, a deputy secretary of homeland security, and more than 20 senior posts at the pent gone, foreign ambassadorships, the list goes on. john bolton didn't run the white house like a traditional national security adviser, so the one thing i will say is it's not the case that this finely tuned process where all views were heard has now been thwarted. there was no process. there was no paper. there was no sort of deliberation of the kind that we've seen over many generations at the white house, but he did have different instincts and so in that sense it was a one-man check and balance of some kind, but it was also a man who was

more inclined to use force base. basically if he had his way we would have staged a strike against iran not that long ago. the question of danger i think is a relative matter. trump is a dangerous president. john bolton had very belligerent instincts as well. >> exactly. i think there were a lot of people who didn't love john bolton being chosen as national security adviser, but the thought of him leaving is even worse if that makes any sense. you mention all these positions that are unfilled or have acting representatives in them and all the changes that have happened. doesn't this boil down to the fact that trump refers to himself as the first and last person to answer a question? like, for example, people are talking about pompeo potentially taking over the role. isn't it trump at this point, and isn't this what the president wants? >> well, i think what trump sees in pompeo is a mirror image of himself, and that's his favorite

thing to look at, so, you know, i think if he could have pompeo all around him telling him he's right, affirming his instincts, telling him mr. president that was just a brilliant execution of stage craft there when you met with kim jong-un even though you achieved nothing for the american people, that seems to be what he wants around him, and john bolton what one can say about him is that he found it very problematic the way that the president was cozying up to dictators and the way that he was rushing to legitimize individuals who have done terrible things to americans. >> ambassador the timing of you coming on the show with your book on the anniversary of 9/11, is serendipitous. the book title "education of an idealist" it just reminds me of the fact that over the past 18 years we've all received an education, and so many times we

are certain about one direction or the other, and only to find out two or three years later the unintended consequences are disastrous. it's -- it's like every season of homeland, you just -- one step forward, two steps back, except the consequences unfortunately are very real and very devastating. talk about your education and talk about the education of america 18 years after september 11th. >> well, today we have u.s. forces act ive in some fashion in 40% of countries in the world. so part of my education but i think our education as a country is that the militarization of our foreign policy is unsustainable. it's one segment of our society that has been carrying the burden of protecting us, defending us, prosecuting our agenda internationally for too long, and it has been just a

huge burden to bear, and that's why negotiation, diplomacy, the kinds of investment that barack obama made in, for example, pursuing a peaceful to iran's nuclear program rather than being trigger happy and wanting to go quickly to military force, i think that's part of the education is that we have to invest in our diplomatic core, invest and have the patience for the pain staking negotiations that it takes to make deals instead of these television moments and these spectacles that the current president pursu pursues. what i try to do in the book is tell a very personal story also because it is easy from the outside to judge what comes out of any administration really, and i try to put you in the situation room and explain to you what it's like, the limits of what you know, but also what happens when the u.s. stands back from the world. so there's the invasion of iraq and the costs of making mistakes along the lines of what you're talking about, but then there's

also what would have happened if the united states, if president obama hadn't stepped up and led a response to ebola in west africa, that was something that was spreading across the country, and inevitably we would have seen more cases here had he -- u.s. leadership seen at the security council what it was like when all the countries in the world would go around and deliver their statements, people would be on their blackberries or on their phones, doing whatever they do, other work, shopping, and as soon as the united states representative opened their mouth, then suddenly everybody would snap to attention wanting to know what is the united states going to do about climate. what is the united states going to do about isis. i would caution against so much disillusionment with america's engagement in the world that we pull back because a world without american leadership is extreme

extremely dangerous. >> and ambassador i think one of the most critical parts of your book and a part that will be read is a warning for future generation of leaders is actually what happened in syria. barack obama rightly saw the mistakes of bush and cheney and decided to not rush into a war, a military intervention with syria, but we remember on this show reports of 10,000 dying, 20,000 dying, 40,000 dying, and it kept going towards half a million. you were arguing, and of course i think most of america first learned about you from your book "a problem from hell" that talked about our failures in the balkans, but you were urging the administration to act especially after the use of chemical weapons. they didn't do so, and while none of us can play out the

consequences of what might have happened if the united states had intervened at that point, certainly our failure to intervene certainly can be seen as disastrous with half a million dead and a refugee crisis that spread across the middle east and europe. >> well, what's certain is that the consequences of syria have been devastating. more than 500,000 killed. the refugee flow into neighboring countries and then kind of dam bursting and people flowing into europe, arguably playing a role in the brexit vote, i think, and maybe even playing a role in our own election as the immigration issue and the migration issue became much more salient. but as you know, it's an incredibly complex part of the world, and president obama is looking at the history, the very recent history, and the kinds of measures that i and secretary kerry and others proposed were very limited measures, and i think president obama was

skeptical that anything limited would do the job in the case of chemical weapons, i think when we look back, the issue was should we have come out publicly and said we were going to use force if we, in fact, intended to go to congress to seek congressional authorization. i should say about that chapter, you know, congress hasn't authorized virtually any of the uses of military force since 9/11 other than the response to 9/11 itself, and so it is also time for congress to meet its responsibilities. part of what president obama was doing was taking it to congress and saying look, we need our democratic process to work again. we need checks and balances. we don't want a president to be able to willy nilly just invade or deploy our forces to yet another theater. we need to have a democratic and a domestic debate and congress was like, no, no, we want to criticize you for what you're doing or not doing. we want to keep our hands off of this. >> ambassador you mentioned iran

a up can of times, obviously you disagree completely with this administration's approach because you helped develop the iran deal the president unwound. he's talked about about meeting without preconditions with president rouhani at the u.n. general assembly coming up in the next few weeks. what should be the american approach? let's just put to the side there's no iran deal right now. what should be the approach of the united states toward iran right now? what should be the best path forward from where we are now? >> it's hard because the individuals involved, it's so unthinkable that they would pursue the path that i would recommend, but it's not too late to stop penalizing those, for example, our allies who are trying to maintain the terms of the deal, you know, as iran takes successive steps to renege on its side of the bargain because we pulled out of the deal. europe and particularly the french are scrambling to try to put together a package to make it possible for iran to stay in the deal. it is in our interest for iran

not to pursue a nuclear weapon. it's that simple. what the current administration has never done is articulated what it wants. it says we want them to stop doing everything they've ever done. they're not going to do that, so to actually be able to articulate in tangible terms here are the thresholds, here's how we're going to pull a global coalition to pursue that objective. right now all we've done is unite iran and the rest of the world against us. where the obama administration left it was the rest of the world was united against iran in its pursuit of a nuclear program. it would really require a rethinking and an assessment of leverage and what you can achieve with what you do. you can throw all the sanctions in the world on iran, but it's not the case that it's going to sort of upend the entire theocracy and the entire way they go about their business. what can you achieve? that kind of conversation has not had this administration for punishment for punishment sake. it's about the base, it's about showing how tough we are, how strong we are. we just put another set of

sanctions on iran. to what end? sanctions are a tool in the toolbox on behalf of a particular strategic objective. there is no strategy coming from the white house. >> the new memoir is "the education of an idealist," samantha power, thank you very hutch. great to ha -- very much. great to have you on the show. another new poll crossed this morning, it shows the president trailing five of his potential democratic challengers. we're back in just a moment. >> the yang gang strong. johnson & johnson is a baby company. but we're also a cancer fighting, hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you. now, there's skyrizi. i have moderate to severe froplaque psoriasis.born 3 out of 4 people achieved... ...90% clearer skin at 4 months... ...after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections...

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>> the guy is spectacular in so many ways. i tweeted this thing out last night because he's an obsession of mine, has been for a long time. and the response to it's been incredible and the number of people who say now that he's no longer going to be the speaker of the house of commons, can we get him to the united states, can we get him into congress to impose some of his incredible pension for order and also his wit. i will say one last thing, when you listen to members of parliament who are women, nonwhite mps they all speak of him, even at the far left. he's a conservative member, and the labor members all talk about him with the reverence and respect as having been someone who is a champion for some of the voices that did not get much air play in the commons before his arrival. so he's universally respected across parties in britain and will be certainly missed with he

leaves the commons. >> and that gets to his background, which is perhaps the most appealing aspect of him, and the most understandable aspect of his behavior. i mean, he's a working class guy came up public school guy, and there he is presiding over parliament where two out of three members are their own cousins. i mean, they've been there -- i mean, they've been there for hundreds of years. they're all aristocrats, and here's this guy from the streets of south london or wherever working class guy, sticking it to them, order, order, every single day. it's a wonderful show. >> we should have that on this show a little bit more, i think. there should be a little more order, order. >> yes. >> well, joe does that. >> that's right. he does occasionally. >> please don't ever do it again. >> in our politics in our congress we have this veneer of sort of protocol and etiquette. strip it all away and do that in our congress, real conversations yelling at each other. >> yes, yes. >> would love it. >> we used to -- we used to say in america that we would love

prime minister's hour once a week where the president would take questions from members of congress because it was just so entertaining, especially for us older members of the "morning joe" set when we would see margaret thatcher chew up and sp spit out one person after another. now, i think, willie we would just settle for a presidential press conference once in a while or a white house briefing. that doesn't even happen. >> take a briefing. >> our version of that is chopper talk with the marine one behind the president. >> great. all right. new this morning, order, everyone. "the washington post" abc news has released more numbers from this latest poll, and democrats and the race for the presidency, joe biden leads the way nationally with 27%. bernie sanders follows in second place at 19%, followed by elizabeth warren at 17.

notably, that's up six points since july. the poll also looks at head to head at head-to-head matchups where president trump trails the hypothetical democratic opponents by at least 4 points. joe bind holds the largest margin leading by 15 points. >> let's keep that up a second. john heilemann, you remember a couple month ace go, the white house, somebody released the white house numbers and everybody got fired and they said it was a ridiculous fall. well, that was follow bid a fox news poll and a series of polls that look just like this one. joe biden trouncing donald trump. bernie sanders trouncing donald trump. elizabeth warren, kamela harris and pete buttigieg beating donald trump and in a poll even an dru yang, a guy who's promised to give everybody thousands of dollars, a thanksgiving turkey and an isuzu

for free this guy outpromised anything, i like him, that joe isuzu promised in the 1980s he's beating donald trump as well, so all those liberals and media types that says donald trump can never win, they can crawl out from under feat their bed and stop thinking that he has magical voodoo powers. it seems the democrats have to stop from shooting themselves in the foot. >> it's krieshl they stop do -- crucial they stop doing that, joe. if you put those numbers up again, there the a consistency here, right, what do you see, basically his approval rating, he's a if 44, 43 at the top% approval president, sometimes lower than that. on the democratic side you essentially have an order rank

by name identification. joe bind is the best known of the democrats, bernie sanders second best, elizabeth warren on down the list. we will have a general election. the president will try to turn it into a choice, not a referendum. democrats, any of those candidates could beat donald trump. right now, the country doesn't know pete bowl gig in the way they know joe biden. it's not surprising biden is doing the best among democrats. >> that is a fundamental testament to the president's weakness and the status he brings to this race. he can win the gem election by string together just the right map on the electoral college, but all ol of these democrats, as long as they do not allow themselves to be painted as unacceptable to the american people, all of them can beat donald trump. but that's going to be the game, is who do the democrats pick and by the end of the process, how much fodder have they given donald trump in his effort to try to paint them as outside the american main stream? that the what the democratic

fight all about. >> for all his flaws on the company trail, joe bind has to love seeing that number up 15 points. but if the central question of the campaign we seen if polls and hear anecdotally can beat donald trump i can live with candidate x or y i just want to win. ye elizabeth warren and bernie sanders can make the case, i am electable, too, i will go out and beat this guy, it's not just joe biden. >> there two things about the upcoming election when it gets going that are kind of interesting and you approach one of them with great trepidation that is that it's almost guaranteed that john p donald j. trump is going out in the field with a scorched earth policy, it's going to be anything leak we've never seen if politics. the other element involved here is the democrat's quest for a definition for what change

means. if you go to these rally, some of these rally, i haven't been to a lot of them. i have been to a few of them. you talk to people about the element of change, a couple of the candidates more than other candidates talk about. the ultimate definition of change among voters is we want to change the occupant of the oval office. all the other changes the candidates are talking about finish down the list. >> all right. still to come, what the republican victories in north carolina say about the president's chances heading into 2020. plus, new reaction to the ousting of john bolton as national security adviser and whether that's a good or a bad thing for the u.s. . ahead, congresswoman elissa slotkin, how the 9/11 shaped her path from cia to capitol hill. and a live look at one world trade center as we mark 18 years since 9/11. tom brokaw joins us.

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. >> jim mattis joked he was meeting the devil incarnate when john bolton joined the administration last year and now they're both gone. gone. no one knows what comes next. morning, it is wednesday, september 11th, we have msnbc contributor mike barnical, journal allegist at george town school elise lavitt. president on foreign relations and author of the book "a world if disarray," richard haase and

nbc news correspondent carol lee. a lot to get to on this 18th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks and president trump finds himself searching for his fourth national security adviser in three years. we're going to have 9/11 coverage throughout the morning leading up to the moment of silence at 8:46 a.m. the moment that the first plane hit the north tower and tom brokaw was reporting on the air that morning. he'll join us live at the end of the show. in a moment, we will get to questions surrounding bolton's ouster. that was starting news, first, the two special elections decided last night in north carolina and what they could mean for 2020. in north carolina's third district special election race, republican greg murphy is the projected winner over democrat allen thomas, in a closely watched republican dan bishop is the projected winner by about 2 percentage points over democrat dan mccready.

president trump took credit for bishop's win, tweeting dan bishop was down 17 minutes three weeks ago. he then asked me for help. we changed his strategy together and we ran a good race. despite the apparent loss, the major gain in three suburban counties highlight the unpopularity of trump's party among that demographic heading into 2020. political analyst larry sabato tweeted republicans should be happy a win is a win and they keep the seat they've had since 1963. democrats should be happy because they made a competitive district romney and trump won by 12% in their 2018 suburban gains continue. here is nbc national political correspondent steve kornacki last night at the big board. >> it is a fascinating story here what happened in this district today. you mention the bottom line dan bishop the republican wins this

by 2 points. now a representative in the house. this was in 2016 a trump district. the president won this by double digits if 2016, comes down to a two-point republican victory. why was it close? there are two story lines that converge and each is a microcosm of what we talk about nationally. one of the stories was right here in the suburbs, that circle might be too big, the densely populated suburbs of south charlotte about a third of this district is in mechlenburg county. we talk about higher income, educated suburbs, trump won that portion by 3 points in 2016, mccready tonight wins it by 13 points. that's the kind of swing we have been seeing in metro areas in the trump era away from the republicans towards the democrats f. you said that's

where mccready was going to end up, youn't he?