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those who went to war in its things not necessarily tougher name, for those still dying they than me, john's known as a tough guy, he is so tough, he got us rushed in to help. into iraq, that's tough. and john wasn't in line with that's it for september 11th, what we were doing and actually in some cases he thought it was 2019. thank you for being too tough what we were doing. mr. tough guy. you know, you have to go into iraq. going into iraq was something that he felt very strongly it is a great day in about. so we're right now in, for over america. we will lay out where things stand as the top democratic $7 trillion into the middle east. >> but we were set back very presidential candidates appear on stage together for the very badly when john bolton talked first time. about the libyan model. >> plus, president trump takes a and he made a mistake. fewal security adviser john and as soon as he mentioned that, the libyan model, what a bolton but the big question now is whether it could backfire. disaster. take a look at what happened to quadafi with the libyan model. >> we will get into the trump and he is using that to make a administration's plans to ban deal with north korea. and i don't blame kim jong-un flavored e-cigarettes hoping to for what he said after that. and he wanted nothing to do with combat a deadly illness and john bolton. teenaged vaping. and that's not a question of being tough, that's a question >> good morning, everyone, it is of being not smart, to say thursday, september 12th, i'm something like that. >> wow.
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ayman mohyeldin alongside yasmin okay, so john bolton, nbc contacted him, his response was vossoughian. we begin with president trump's i will have my say in due parting shot at his former national security adviser john course. interesting to see what that will be like. bolton before wishing him well, one of bolton's al lice tells the president blasted his former the "washington post" that bolton was not surprised by the aide partly blaming him for the war in iraq while calling him quote not smart for the way he latest outburst after working handled north korea. alongside him and becoming familiar with his behavior. he is quiet for now knowing that >> so john is somebody that i bolton could write a book or actually got along with very give a major television well. he made some very big mistakes. interview among other options. >> cnn is reporting that when he talked about the libyan administration officials are considering replacing john model for kim jong-un, that was bolton with secretary of state not a good statement to make. you just take a look at what mike pompeo who would pull double duty. that's according to a senior happened with quadafi. administration official, and a that was not a good statement t source familiar with the possibilities. cnn also notes that quote it is unclear how seriously trump is considering this possibility. the only other time in u.s. history that someone has filled both positions at the same time was henry kissinger, during president's nixon tenure. joining us now from washington, deputy news editor for the washington examiner, david mark.
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>> good morning, david. >> good morning. >> what a day yesterday, to say the least. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. what kind of risk here might john bolton now pose for the trump administration as the president is openly slamming his former national security adviser? >> it depends how many bridges mr. bolton is willing to burn if he wants to get a large book contract, get paid for an interview, otherwise, capitalize from this, he's got a story to tell about both president trump's policies, and his decision making processes. the problem is, if you do something like that, it's tough to get back into establishment official washington. which is the milieu from which mr. bolton come, the world of think tanks, fox news, et cetera, so it is not clear exactly how he is going to do it but a guy like that, he is pretty unlikely to stay quiet for too long. >> let me get your thoughts quickly on the possibility of mike pompeo being the national security adviser, he clearly
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established himself as one of the president's men, serving as cia secretary, possibly now the closest security confidante of the president. >> what is it that mike pompeo does that makes him so trustworthy and so dependable in the eyes of someone as volatile as mr. trump. >> secretary pompeo is able to channel president trump. he gets ahead of his thoughts. he knows his thought processes. where he's likely to go with decision making. this goes back to his days as cia director. his first job in the trump administration. and that's what president trump seems to look for. he's got a confidante, somebody who is a yes man, predicts where the president is going to go and seems to value that highly. >> it seems as though in times when we were getting reporting that pompeo was disagreeing with the president on some sort of policy decisions he was still outwardly publicly depending him on every level. let's switch gears now to the
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latest democratic debate slated for tonight. what are you looking for from the candidates on stage? >> this is the first time we will see all the front-runners on stage together. that's joe biden, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, and then you might take in kamala harris, pete buttigieg, where they will all go face to face. it is a question of whether some or many of them will try and gang up on joe biden, it's whether they will try and knock down a peg one of the other rivals, kind of like a game of survivor. we have to pick off some of the other rivals before you can go after your main opponent. >> who will be voted off the island tonight? david mark, with a little survivor reference. david, thank you very much. we will talk to you in just a little bit. >> thank you. let's turn to tehran where last week president rouhani announced that iran is developing centrifuges and doing whatever quote it is needed for uranium enrichment. in violation of the several vital aspects of the 2015 iran
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nuclear deal relating to nuclear research and development and in direct response to president trump's 2018 decision to withdraw the u.s. from the landmark accord, to reimpose and add new hard-hitting sanctions. now, the daily beast reports that president trump has quote left the impression with foreign official, members of his administration, and others involved in the iranian negotiations that he is considering a plan, developed by french president emanuel am crohn which would extend a $15 billion line of credit to iran, if tehran comes back into compliance with the nuclear agreement. according to sources with knowledge of trump's conversations with the french leader. by ought accounts including from the u.n. and former members of trump administration, iran was in compliance with the deal at the time that the president withdrew the u.s. from it. and remained so far more than a year afterwards. that $15 billion cash line would counter some of the effects the trump administration's oil
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sanctions and the maximum pressure cn this. >> iran is a different country than it was two and a half years ago. two and a half years ago, they were given a lot of money, by president obama, previous to that, $150 billion, $1.8 billion in cash, in actual cash. very impressive. and i do believe they like to make a deal. if they, do that's great. and if they don't, that's great, too. but they have tremendous financial difficulty. and the sanctions are getting tougher and tougher. >> president trump's pick for a judge on the second circuit court of appeals in new york frustrated senators on both sides of the aisle during his confirmation hearing yesterday. as he refused to answer their questions about his work in the trump white house. watch. >> did you work on the administration's decision to end deferred deportation for undocumented immigrants who are receiving treatment for life-threatening illnesses? >> senator, again, consistent
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with my duties of confidentiality to the client -- >> i'm not asking what advice you gave. i'm not asking you to disclose any confidence. i'm asking you if you worked on the issue of denying daca status for those who were receiving treatment for life-threatening illnesses. >> senator, i want to be as transparent as possible. >> then please be transparent. >> that's not an unfair question. did you work on the subject matter? >> senator, i worked on immigration -- >> no -- >> a specific question. >> did you give legal advice on the subject matter? >> well, he declined to answer most questions but would only admit to giving legal advice to senior policy advisers on a variety of issues including immigration and would not say which specific policies he advised the administration on who he advised. still ahead we will discuss
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welcome back, everyone. as teenaged vaping continues to rise, the trump administration announced yesterday that it would ban the sale of most flavored e-cigarettes as federal health officials call for restrictions to combat an outbreak of a mysterious lung disease. >> vaping has become a very big business, as i understand it. like a giant business in a very short period of time. but we can't allow people to get sick, and we can't have our youth be so affected. and i'm hearing it. and that's how the first lady got involved. she's got a son, that a beautiful young man, and she feels very, very strongly about it. she's seen it, we're both
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reading it, a lot of people are reading it, but people are dying. from vaping. >> health and human services secretary told reporters the food and drug administration is currently finalizing the guidance to remove flavored e-cigarettes including mint and menthol to the market. and vaping is what health officials are calling an ep democratic, one of the reasons behind the ban until the safety can be looked at. and a ban will remove life-changing options from the market that have been used by several million american adults to quit smoking. the number of vaping-related illnesses jumped to 450 cases in 33 states according to the cdc. at least six deaths have been linked to vaping-related respiratory illnesses so far. purdue pharma, the maker of oxycontin has reached a tentative multibillion
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settlement for their hand in the opioid crisis nationwide. the agreement with top legal officials in 27 states and territories and lawyers for more than 2,000 cities and counties would require the company to declare bankruptcy, and be turned into a for profit trust. the sackler family would have to give up control of the company and turn over proceeds from the drug sales to the plaintiffs. however, the deal still needs approval from the pharma board as well as the bankruptcy court judge. the company released a statement on the deal saying this, purdue pharma continues to work on all plaintiffs on reaching a comprehensive resolution to its opioid litigation that will deliver billions of dollars and vital opioid overdose rescue medicines to communities across the country impacted by the opioid crisis. however, many states have not signed on to this deal. several state attorneys general vowed to continue their legal battles against the sacklers and the company in bankruptcy court. joining us here on the set, msnbc legal analyst danny
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cevallos to talk more about this. let's start first though -- six deaths of lung disease linked to vaping. what is this going to mean for companies like juul? >> it's not good for them. especially because the fda requires that if they're going to market their materials, their vaping cigarette, e-cigarettes, as a safe alternative to smoking, they have to get fda approval and that's sort of the subject of the fda investigation into vaping as we speak. meanwhile, the trump administration is considering a ban of the flavored cigarettes, more because of the way they supposedly target young people than the fact that vaping itself may be across the board less safe than everybody originally thought it was. >> let's switch gears for a moment and get your thoughts on this purdue pharma agreement because not everyone is on board. you have at least 16 other
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attorneys general across the u.s. saying not so fast, you may have disagreement with the states of oklahoma and convert the company in a for profit public trust but the reality is they don't agree with the sackler family and they will push ahead. what happens next? if you have this one agreement with purdue pharma and oklahoma and you have 16 other attorneys general saying we're going ahead with our own case. >> a fundamental prince pool of negotiation during litigation is no party gets exactly ha they want. it is a scompromise. so naturally when you have a gigantic piece of litigation with so many parties and billions and billions of dollars at stake, it is not much of a surprise that some of the parties whether they be states or whether they be individuals might not be on board with the settlement because they don't view it as giving them what they need as what they think their case is valued at. and these are state attorney generals who are not seeking to line their own pockets, the way a typical plaintiff does, the individual plaintiff, but instead, they need the money, in
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their view, to pay for the drug-related illnesses, addiction, and other things that have damaged their state. now, any kind of settlement in advance, the pharmaceutical companies are not going to want to admit any liability. and so they have to strike a balance, where each side gives up something that they want, to reach some kind of agreement. >> who will be seeing the proceeds of these sales for the most part? how are they going to figure that out? >> there are a couple of different ways. if the company converts it a chapter 11, then to a trust, for the benefit, or public interest trust, in that way, sales from the opioids will go towards helping folks, and tore, towards battling addiction. . so money will go back to the states. it all has to be hammered out and probably one of the drivers behind the states and territories who don't want to agree to the settlement at this
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point. >> danny cevallos, thank you. appreciate it. let's look at the weather. the tropics are getting active again. the southeast coastline, our eyes are there for the middle of next week especially. and a lot of issues for flash flooding. i-90 is closed in south dakota. heavy rain overnight. and this rain is hit and miss all the way from new york city now, back to cleveland, chicago, and milwaukee has a little bit of rain. so it is kind of a little bit of a stormy feel to it early today. here are the areas that are currently under flash flood warnings. near dubuque and the quad cities. i--90 where it is closed near mitchell. and numerous areas of northern nebraska. so now let's get to the developments in the tropics. this is the peak of the season. it doesn't take much for one to flare up. you can see the bright white clouds a lot of thunderstorms near the turks and caicos, the beginning of a tropical system trying to get organized and the hurricane center has this area a 70% chance of formation in the next five days. one out here way out here in the
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atlantic about a week away from land areas so we won't worry about that one. if we focus on the one by the turks and caicos, the development zone is the bahamas and much of florida and portions of the northern gulf. overnight, some of the computer models trended off the east coast of florida probably some impacts to the southeast coast. we will see how it plays out but any interest in florida, you will definitely have increased rain chances the next couple of days. as far as the forecast goes, with anyone doing travel, we could have airport delays in chicago with the rain and on and off thunderstorms in the dc area. dc, hot and humid. new york city not quite as hot. and near record heat through the south. pretty active morning especially when you consider we could have more tropical trouble developing, in areas like the northern bahamas that were just hit and trying to get some recovery, the grand bahama island, they just don't need it, even if they just have a tropical storm, they don't need
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it. >> tropical trouble, tropical storm, you're not confident that this thing could actually be a hurricane? >> be a huge storm? way too early for that. we will see if it even even develops first. >> thanks. still ahead, the supreme court clears the way for the trump administration's rule limiting asylum cases for central american migrants but the legal battle is not over. >> plus, the president renews his attack from the federal reserve calling on the quote boneheads to slash interest rates. we're back in a moment. s to sla rates. we're back in a moment the psoriasis. cosentyx treats more than just the joint pain of active psoriatic arthritis. it even helps stop further joint damage. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. serious allergic reactions may occur. get real relief, with cosentyx. was in an accident. when i called usaa,
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welcome back. the u.s. supreme court announced it will up hold the trump administration's policy to deny asylum requests for migrants who travel through another country without seeking protection there. the move means thousands of migrants from honduras, guit ma la and el salvador seeking asylum in the u.s. could be denied if they did not first ask for it in mexico. the policy was announced in july but blocked by a federal judge in california who ruled it would violate existing immigration law, and was improperly rushes into effect. president trump responded to the decision yesterday tweeting quote big united states supreme court win for the border on asylum. top house democrats on the judiciary committee condemned the decision in the statement, writing in part, this, lives will be lost, this rule will result in those fleeing fear and persecution to be turned away at our doorstep and will only exacerbate the humanitarian crisis in the region of the u.s. can and must do better. meanwhile, those trying to
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flee the bahamas can come to the united states temporarily but will not be allowed to live and work in the country. the trump administration had been debating whether to give temporary protective stat us to bahamians displaced by hurricane dorian but an administration official tells msnbc they will be allowed in if they have the right travel documents but not granted -- the status would have allowed them to work and live in the united states until safe to return home. temporary protective service is granted to 300,000 people living in the u.s. including victims of haiti's 2010 earthquake. still ahead, a new poll is painting a different picture of the state of the democratic race in new hampshire. we are going to have those numbers. >> plus, a look ahead to tonight's third primary debate. here is the late show with an update on that. >> we just found out that they will have no seven second delay. so the dnc warned the candidates to refrain from swearing on the debate stage. biden better watch his malarkeys
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vossoughian. alongside ayman mohyeldin. it's the bottom of the hour. let's top with the top stories. the 2020 democratic presidential candidates are set to take the stage in houston later this evening for the party's third primary debate. unlike previous debates this one will feature only the top ten polling candidates on stage for one night only. senator amy klobuchar, cory booker, kamala harris, elizabeth warren, joe biden, and julian castro among others will grace the stage. plenty of attention on joe biden as he and elizabeth warren face off for the very first time on the same stage. biden's advisers pushed back on the idea the debate would be a show down between the former vp and the senator saying he is more likely to face direct attacks from others on the stage. biden's camp also says he is eager to make a broader contrast with his more progressive rivals
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and that he will be ready to push back against suggestions that he is pursuing middle of the road solutions. meanwhile, yang is apparently preparing something big for the debate. a senior official tells msnbc news he will do something unprecedented on stage but would not elaborate. yang showed a clip from the daily show, with the recent campaign vanes adding we've got something big in store. >> 29%, senator bernie sanders leads the 020 democratic field in new hampshire by eight points according to a new franklin pierce university boston herald poll. former vice president joe biden is in second place at 21%. and elizabeth warren, senator elizabeth warren, rounds out the top three, with 17% of new hampshire democratic primary voters support. now, both beto o'rourke and pete buttigieg will be looking to stand out during tonight's primary debate, after a challenging summer, both candidates are hoping for a fall reboot for the 2020 presidential
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campaign. joining us now with more on the new reporting, nbc news national political reporter josh letterman. josh, great to have you with us. you have beto o'rourke, buttigieg, looking to reboot their campaigns in some way. what are the challenges they both face, in taking on what is shaping up to be at least up to now a three-way race between biden, warren and bernie sanders? >> yes, both of these candidates once the hot new thing in the democratic primary. pete buttigieg and bet yes o'rourke were the fresh face young democrats from conservative states who had won in conservative states, that were offering the democratic party something different than what they see from these older candidates. and now, as the race seems to be settling into a three-way contest at the top between warren, biden and sanders, beto o'rourke and pete buttigieg both struggling to maintain relevance and trying to find some way back into the center of the
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conversation. so how are they doing that? well, they're doing it very different ways. bet yes o'rourke, in the wake of that horrible mass shooting in el paso, texas, his hometown, has tried to take a strategy where he goes to nontraditional states, he goes to conservative areas, really focuses on gun control and stands apart. pete buttigieg trying to use that money he raised to build a massive campaign organization across the country, that he thinks will be capable of carrying him into the primaries in iowa and in new hampshire. >> so which game plan do you think could actually gain some traction? >> that's the big question. the buttigieg campaign is convinced that they are putting in place the steps needed to go out into those states and find the voters be a got get them to the polls and narrow the mass between the fundraising and huge crowd sizes and the fact that neither of these men are polling in the double digits in the polls. and o'rourke's very untraditional strategy, but this is an untraditional election, we
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will have to see whether he's able to get a little bit of limelight for himself with that focus on gun control. >> big test for a lot of the candidates tonight. trying to break through into that top of the pack. nbc's john lederman, live in washington, d.c. for us, thanks, josh. the house judiciary committee is expected to vote on moving forward with an impeachment inquiry, democrats can't seem to get on the same page about how to label their investigation into the unequivo an impeachment investigation is not under way. >> the committee believes that having one of the possible outcomes of these hearings, impeachment, is a broader authority on discovery, which we think is fine. but i do not think the nature of what is going on has changed.
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does that mean you -- >> you have to answer that question or no -- >> no. >> but later hoyer backtracked and claimed he misunderstood the question and in a statement he said this. i strongly support chairman nadler and the democrats as they proceed with the investigation. and president trump is expected to make a decision on potential gun reform measures by the end of this week. according to an administration official, trump will be given preve summaries of various ideas presented by congress and white house aides and he spent 40 minutes talking to pat toomey and chris murphy and joe manchin yesterday about the possibility of expanding not indicate what bills he is likely to support. senator manchin called the conversation quote very encouraging, adding that he expects to have a decision from trump as early as today. meanwhile the daily beast reports that one of the people privy to that call including a former gun lobbyist who has played a crucial behind the scenes role on the president's
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gun policy team. joining us once again from washington, deputy news editor for the editor, we had this conversation before. you have a conversation about something you want to get passed and the individuals walking out of the conversation, saying we think something is going to get done, it is so encouraging, would we're on the same page, and then nothing gets done, and the president has an about-face and has a conversation with someone like wayne la pierre and saying this is not going to work. and ta talk to me about the president's mind set and what he plans to do moving forward with gun measures. >> we simply don't know right now. as you just noted, he never says what he is going to do right until the end. it is notable though that he was meeting with senators pat toomey, republican, of pennsylvania, joe manchin, democrat from west virginia, and those are the lead sponsors of that background bill proposal that has failed a couple of times before.
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if they were able to pull the president over to their side, that would be significant. but he's really giving no indication that he actually supports that. and on red flag laws, the nra has raised some big issues on civil liberties grounds and at this point there is no real to expect to go with any of these. >> let's switch gears and i don't know, dispute, but confusion, certainly, within the democratic party, about whether or not to label what is happening impeachment. the house judiciary committee expected to vote today on advancing the impeachment inquiry. that's not ambiguous. but why do you think the democrats are having such trouble formally labeling this investigation as we just played you that clip from senator hoyer? >> because they don't want to put their vulnerable members on the line for impeachment. democrats have members from places like oklahoma, south carolina, southern new mexico, to defend this fall, they have to run for re-election, they don't have to want to run on
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impeachment. the problem is, house democrats cannot have it both ways. at a certain point, they are just going to have to move forward with this thing, and decide, either they want to move, go ahead with impeachment proceedings or they don't, they are going to have to make that decision and pretty soon. >> that's what i was thinking, though. at what point does that populous come to a head? and what point do they make a decision, we have to be unified as a party to move forward, or not move forward and put our vulnerable members on the block if in fact that ask what it takes because we want to seem like a unified party moving forward. at what point does that decision actually happen? >> we're getting closer and closer to the next election year. and of course presidential politics play into it. and house democrats don't want to be holding impeachment proceedings near the new hampshire primary and iowa caucus, et cetera and if they
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want to do, it they will want to sooner rather than later. >> and buttoned up or make a decision on it before february. >> yes. >> paging nancy pelosi. david mark, live in washington, d.c., always a pleasure. thanks, david. >> thank you. the latest on the growing fallout of vice president pence's stay on one of president trump's overseas properties and how much it cost american taxpayers. >> and a check of the morning forecast coming up. back in a moment. the morning forecast coming up back in a moment at verizon, we're building the most powerful 5g experience for america. that's why the nfl chose verizon. because they need the massive capacity of 5g with ultra wideband, so more screaming, streaming, posting fans... can experience 5g all at once. this is happening in 13 stadiums all across the country. now if verizon 5g can do this for the nfl... imagine what it can do for you. o♪ ozempic®! ♪ oh! oh! (announcer) people with type 2 diabetes
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was almost paid a million. president trump announced his phone call with the president of mexico on twitter yesterday, where they reportedly discussed border security. in the tweet, trump wrote in part, quote, i had an excellent telephone conversation with the president of mexico, talking about southern security and various other things with mutual interest for the people of our respected countries of the tweet was posted hours after a supreme court decision to approve the president's request to enforce a new asylum rule to reduce the number of immigrants entering the u.s. from central america. the new rule would require people traveling through another country seeking asylum in the united states to first seek asylum in that country. justices sonja sotomayor and ruth bader ginsburg, liberal justice, dissented. let's get a look at weather with meteorologist bill karins. >> overnight, the national hurricane center upped the odds
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we could see a system developing into a tropical depression over the next couple of days and it is now over the turks and caicos and some of the moisture will head over the bahamas, some of the areas that were decimated a week ago. and not a huge system but the rain and the possibility of tracking another system, we still have hurricane fatigue with dorian last week. and here is why the hurricane center is saying, and 50% chance it becomes a depression and the next five days a 70% chance. and the general depression is towards florida but this is the european computer model and it brings heavy rain to northern portions of the bahamas, and then develop off the east coast of florida, and our american model by the way has put it in areas off the west coast of florida so until they actually develop, and we get a have of the storm to track, it is really hard, our computers kind of shift around a little bit but you may hear more about this today because of the threat to the east coast than you would have say yesterday, when it was like maybe looking like just
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florida or areas of the gulf. and our computers as far as the european goes, with the heavy rainfall, you know, that's a possibility of another four 0 five inches of rain over all of the bahamas. that's not need and not helpful at all and then possibly the east coast of florida. so again, we will track this, but if you have your weekend plan, keep in mind especially in florida your rain chances go up significantly, regardless of if it becomes a tropical storm, or depression, or just remains a tropical wave. so the heat and humidity through the south, and showers and storms in miami. have that umbrella handy and areas to the north east and definitely cooler new york city, hartford, boston and how we're looking orn friday, we start to introduce the tropical rain threat as we've been talking about and the cold front will cool you off in st. louis and by the time we get to saturday's forecast, we will see the showers to the east and the possibility of a flooding system saturday and sunday. much of the rest of the country gets a little bit of a break. still hot in areas of texas. it is just that the same areas potentially could be threatened
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by this one. >> not good. >> the odds of it being a huge big one. >> four to five inches for the northern bahamas -- >> big or little, they don't need anything right now. they just need sunny weather to do as much recovery process as possible. >> thanks. still ahead president trump puts a halt to upcoming tariff hikes on china amid new hopes of ending the trade standoff. >> the president once against attacks the fed chair while suggesting the fed take steps never before used in this country to boost the economy. we'll be right back. country to boost the economy we'll be right back. but we're also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you.
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welcome back. the trump administration has announced it will hold off on implementing an increase on tariffs on some chinese goods. president trump announced the move yesterday with delays raising tariffs from 25 to 30% effective next month. in a tweet trump says the gesture of goodwill came at the request of china's vice premiere, citing the fact that the country will be celebrating the 70th anniversary of the establishment of the people's republic of china. according to the "washington post," trump's decision came after beijing made a goodwill gesture of its own, announcing it would exempt 16 american-made products from tariffs ahead of scheduled talks between both countries. the post says the move which china says was aimed at easing the trade war's impact on u.s. companies does not offer relief from tariffs on the big ticket agricultural products that are causing the most pain for americans. such as soybeans and corn.
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so president trump is renewing his attacks against the federal reserve over its policies, going as far as to suggest that the central bank implement a tactic never before used in the history of the united states. ahead of yesterday's events, to mark the 9/11 attack, the president fired off a series of tweets in which he claimed the fed could get the u.s. interest rates down to zero or less, adding that the fed should then start to refinance our debt. trump added that the usa should always be paying the lowest rate possible before continuing to criticize his hand-picked federal chairman jerome powell and concluding by calling powell and his fed colleagues bone heads. as our colleagues at cnbc point out, trump's proposals is refinance the debt is without precedent and moody's chief economist tells cnbc that the idea is not viable and could be a significant problem for investors, financial markets and the economy. adding that the debt is not
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prepayable and such a move would be incredibly disruptive to financial markets and interest rates would ultimately rise, not fall. oil tycoon pikens has died. "the associated press" tells us that he was surrounded by friends and family when he died of natural causes under hospice care yesterday. he suffered a series of strokes back in 2017 and was hospitalized that july after what he called a texas-sized fall. initially building his fortune drilling for oil, he grew his wealth through corporate takeover attempts and later in his career championed renewable energy. he argued that the united states needed to reduce its use of oil and his plan envisioned wind turbines across the middle of the country that could generate enough power that could free up natural gas for noose vehicleus.
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i want to look at data, the data underneath the politics. what we're looking at is diversity and how quickly it's spreading across the country. it's an amazing fact. in 96% of our counties in this country, the share of the -- of whites being a part of the population has decreased since 2010. so only 4% have seen white voters being a bigger part of the population. as a whole across the country, the white population has only grown by .1%. and now it's set to decline in perpetuity. and why does that matter? it matters because it's changing not just big cities, it's changing the entire country. your schools are now minority white. and it plays out in politics in big and small ways. look at texas, which we talk about all the time as a place that used to be solidly conservative that is now becoming potentially a swing state. and it's all rooted in this diversity. so when you look at the results like we talked about yesterday
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in the special elections in north carolina where, yes, the republican wins but wins because there's huge turnout among white vofrts and they' voters and they're not doing well with minority voters. >> it makes sense when you hear from the naert it's going to be all about voter turnout in 2020. talk to us about what these shifting figures mean for the country politically. >> in the short-term, republicans possibly have another election where it doesn't directly affect them. we'll see in places like texas or georgia. but the trend lines, if they hold are devastating for the republican party. look at georgia, look at arizona, look at texas, these place where's you have rising minority populations. they're turning gents republicans because republicans have been locked in about 30% give or take among hispanic and latino voters for some time. if that holds, very hard to win a lot of these races. >> it's going to be interesting to see at what point the government and the governance of
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this country reflects the diversity of it on a state level and federal level. let's switch gears and talk about tonight's third democratic debate. axios has data showing a clear trend in polling over the summer. what have you guys found? >> if you look at pre debate through tonight's debate, the only candidate that's moved is elizabeth warren who's pumped up nine or ten points since before that debate. everyone else has been pretty static. joe biden pretty static. bernie sanders pretty static. and even kamala harris who had that one movement upwards after her performance in the debate has sunk back down and her numbers have been relatively static. so when you're watching tonight's debate, obviously that sort of sanders, warren, biden, like that is the top tier of the race. and then the big question, the thing i'm watching for is is there anyone else in this field who's going to have not just a moment, but have a sustained surge? someone else who can crack into that top tier? because when i look at the support for sanders and warren
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and biden, it seems pretty steady to me. i don't see any reason that that would start to deteriorate. and so it doesn't leave a big opening for somebody else. that doesn't mean an opening won't come up. but i just don't see it right now. so that's what you should watch. >> and of course we've got andrew yang promising something tonight. we'll see what that is. >> something big. >> i'm promising something tomorrow. >> we'll wait to see -- >> never been done ever before. >> we look forward to it. >> looking forward to it. thanks, jim, live in washington, d.c. as always. we'll see you again on "morning joe" in a bit, don't go too far. we'll be reading axios am in a little while. you can sign up for that newsletter. >> that does it for us on this thursday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. he said he was supposed to come back? when did you get that straight in the senate did not come back to pass the bill. i'm getting very angry about the silliness of these questions.
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lives are at stake. >> that's nancy pelosi earlier this week asking reporters what they didn't get. that, in fact, the house has done their job and now it's time for the senate to come in and do their job. it's time for the president to actually step forward and speak on gun legislation. willie, the pressure is rising on the president not just from democrats, of course, and the house, but from 90%, 94% of americans on background checks from a majority of americans and even republicans on military-style weapons that continue. they continue showing up in one mass killing after another and has for over a decade. and breaking this morning, the leaders of 145 companies, "the new york times" reports, have all signed a letter and sent it to the senate demanding action on gun safety legislation.
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