this taken seriously and this is not a hoax, i lived through this and i know for a fact that it's true. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thanks for watching. good morning. i'm philip mena in new york. it's 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west. here's what's happening. ripple effect. the drone strike of a saudi oil facility will have broad impact around the world and in the u.s. plus, could it spark military conflict? 2020 contenders, a big day on the campaign trail for a number of candidates, but especially front-runner, joe biden. we'll tell you why. after the white house, new comments from eric holder on whether donald trump should face charges when he leaves office. we start with new reaction today to that fiery attack in saudi arabia. the world's largest refinery and

oil field in flames after a drone strike. secretary of state mock pompeo is pointing the -- mike pompeo is pointing the finger at iran. they're dismissing the u.s. claim as pointless. hans nichols is at the white house and sara harmon is in london. sarah, i'll start with you. what more do we know about this? >> reaction from iran hitting back directly at secretary pompeo this morning tweeting, having failed at max pressure shall, secretary pompeo is turning to max deceit. they've stuck to yemen because it leads to military victory. it was ten drones, a relatively inexpensive technology that sent these two saudi facilities up in flames. the world's largest oil

processing facility in flames overnight after a pre-dawn drone attack on two saudi sites. the extent of the damage is unclear. satellite images from nasa show the smoke visible from space. the drone strike shut down about half of the kingdom's crude oil output. 5 million barrels, rough live 5% of the world's daily production. >> the market expects that gasoline prices are going to go up 15 to 25 cents a gallon. >> the attacks likely to inflame tensions in the gulf. rebels in neighboring yemen claiming responsibility. saudi arabia a u.s. ally has been at war with the iran backed rebels for 4.5 years. in the past, they've targeted pipelines, tankers and other infrastructure. the region's tension now weighing on the global oil supply. philip, the big question is what this does to the global oil supply. the answer will likely depend

largely on how quickly this facility can return to normal out put. we got a preview of of the market reaction. sunday is the first day in the trading week in saudi arabia. saudi stocks opened 2.3% lower. phillip? >> sarah harman joining us. thank you. let's go to hans nichols at the white house. what do we know about what happened during the president's conversation? >> the president condemned the attack and pledged a self-defense operation if one were needed. he didn't use the specific terms but clearly,ed administration is hinting that they would come to saudi arabia's aid. i think overnight, we saw a couple developments. number one, you're seeing more pressure from republican senators on capitol hill to increase pressure and to do something military. senator lindsey graham talking about military strikes. you have the administration trying to marshall some sort of international effort to con tde

what they say are clearly iranian talks. as sarah was talking about, he's squarely trying to lay the blame on iran for the attacks. the here's the tweet from the secretary of state. he's saying, tehran is behind nearly 100 attacks on saudi arabia while rouhani and zarif pretend to engage in diplomacy. now there's an unprecedented attack on the world's energy supply. there's no evidence that the attacks came from yemen. also overnight, the administration clearly indicating they may be worried about what it does to the price of gasoline. they're hinting that strategic petroleum reserves could be opened up and that is an option if there are short-term disruptions to the global supply chain of oil for this entire country. there's a recognition in saudi administration that you need the economy to keep humming for re-election but you need to keep

gasoline prices, which are at historic lows, keep them hoe. >> hans nichols from the white house. thank you. now to the race for the white house. today democrats running for president making their pitch a day before president trump is expected to rally in new mexico. starting this morning, these 2020 candidates are taking their message to crucial states. joe biden is set to have a major outreach on race in alabama and florida. in a few hours, he's expected to deliver a keynote address to mark the 56th anniversary of the bombing of the 16th street baptist church in birmingham. that attack took the lives of four young black girls, a searing moment in the civil rights movement. according to an aid, biden is expected to say in part, kwoquo we can't understand this shocking attack without understanding our original sin of slavery and the centuries-long campaign of

violence, fear and trauma wrought upon the black people in this country since. >> biden's words on race more in the spotlight after critics say he missed the mark when answering a question about slavery during the debate. the "washington post" encapsulating what the debate and the gop house retreat made clear. the countries two major parties have been reshaped by president trump. republicans coalesce around the president but it's far from clear that the president has a winning message for 2020. democrats divided on how to unseat him without alienating their base without -- barack obama's attorney general eric holder had in advice. >> we need to look for solutions to the problems that we confront thab are consistent with who we are as a party, consistent with the democratic tradition, but also the kinds of things we'll be able to deliver to people.

our candidate pool is expressing the right ideas. democrats need to be tough. doesn't mean we got to get into the dirt with donald trump on a daily basis. we got to be strategic in how we use that. but we've got to be prepared to fight. to be tough. >> joining me how hanna trudeau, with the daily beast and political reporter with nbc news. to the pointer i can holder just made, if we seen 2020 democrats increasingly promise policies they may struggle to deliver on? how problematic is that as we get closer to 2020? >> one notable thing i think that i didn't hear from former attorney general eric holder was an endorsement of biden. i know that's not exactly your question. i think it speaks to a little bit of hesitancy with him and among several former obama

officials to endorse biden like you said the policy positions he's putting forward, a left ward shift in the party ever since the kickoff of the primary season. so it's interesting. he mentioned all of the democratic talking points in that clip with david axelrod and of course the top chief strategist in his election and he was saying we have to beat trump, we have to be strategic. the big question which we saw in the debate last week was how -- who is best to do that. who has the policies, the leftward shift policies, the more centrist biden policies. i think we're figuring that out as we head into 2020. >> eric holder had more to say about biden defending the former vice president saying nothing concerning about his record on race came up when he was being vetted for vp. let's listen to that. >> i don't think that there's any basis for people to believe

that a president biden would be less committed to civil rights enforcement than president obama was. i'm not endorsing him. it's for him to explain and to, as i've just said say i might have been wrong then, but this is where i am now. you know, you judge me on the entirety of my career. >> jonathan, you were asked -- what does biden need to do and say to put concerns about his stands on race or do you think he can ever do that? >> i think what everybody is going to be listening for, phillip, is what biden means to say. i think that's what a speech is designed to do, right? we see him on the debate stage, we listen to him answering questions in a moment and you get a sense of what his sort of natural reaction to things is. he's asked about slavery and he gives an answer on title 1 education funds as a response to slavery. of course, conflating race and poverty.

he does that quite a lot. but -- and then goes on to talk about parenting, basically, in black communities. some things that i think were offensive to a fair number of people, if not the broad set of democrats listening. but i think what folks are going to be listening to today, what happens when he's scripted? what is his message when he goes into these communities in alabama and florida today and talks about race. by the way, he's pulling out a pretty big stop here to give a major race speech in september. this is obviously something his campaign sees as a problem for him. barack obama gave a major race speech well into the primaries in 2007. -- i'm sorry, 2008. i think in march or in may, maybe. deep into that set of primaries. i think may. folks are going to listen.

what does he say when he's pre-planned. when he has time to think about it. post debate poll showing he finished below elizabeth warren, pete buttigieg and beto o'rourke. what does he need to say on race or perhaps avoid saying today? >> it's obvious that he needs to avoid saying a bungled response like jonathan mentioned during the debate. african american voters are the biggest voting block in the heartbeat of the democratic party. he's dominating without with that vote -- i think people will respond to him like jonathan said. the questions are what does he say when he's scripted? scripted oftentimes we saw a lot with president barack obama that it is a sort of presidential scripted -- with biden he does

do better in those situations because like we see in the debate format or quick gaggle with reporters, infrequent at that, he tends to ramble. he tends to go off on tangents, which raises all sorts of questions about his age and things like that. i think many people will be watching for what he says in a very pre-planned, premeditated way with the advisers around him. hopefully some african american input on that. >> it was evident that he was veering off the path during the debate this week. as i mentioned earlier, president trump will be having a first rally in new mexico since being sworn into office. his campaign thinks he can take new mexico which he lost to hillary clinton which 8 percentage points. jonathan, is the trump campaign being realistic about new

mexico? what does is say to you about the president's strategy there? >> i think it smacks of desperation, phillip. the trump campaign is looking for places that it might be able to win that are outside the beaten path. obviously, we're still early in this campaign. a lot can happen between now and november 2020. they should be looking for places that they can win that they didn't last time. but at the same time, new mexico is a place that has been unfavorable for republican candidates for president for quite some time. we saw in the 2018 midterms that it was extremely favorable for democrats. you've got a completely democratic congressional delegation from new mexico after that 2018 midterm. it's been trending blue. you saw the president recently trying to divert money from some long-standing military construction projects in that area to the border that has not proven to be popular in new mexico, either during his campaign in 2016 or during those midterms. they're trying to find a place

to add to their electoral college vote, but that's going to be a tough win for them. >> that brings me to my next question for you hannah. the president's campaign argued that his positions on trade and the economy resonate with latinos. what about the president's immigration rhetoric like jonathan was talking about. how much has that alien teated voters of color. >> look at the last election where hillary clinton won overwhelmingly in that state. he was doubled down on his rhetoric and i think, to use jonathan's words, desperation is what it looks like from the outside. now, is he going to be able to pull some -- pull a habit out of the hat and inspire people there? it doesn't look like a favorable territory for him. the trump campaign puts a big emphasis on new and exciting challenges, so to speak.

it makes -- it's surprising to people he might want to set his sights on somewhere like that, give a nod and a wink to his base of supporters elsewhere. it remains to be seen how he goes over. >> new and exciting challenges. one way to put it. thank you so much both. >> thank you. hong kong after thousands of demonstrators march today in defiance of a police ban. we'll have the details ahead. plus, the terrifying moments of a multiple deck collapse. i am royalty of racing, raise your steins to the king of speed. they give us excellent customer otservice, every time.e. our 18 year old was in an accident. usaa took care of her car rental, and getting her car towed. all i had to take care of was making sure that my daughter was ok.

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breaking right now. riot police in hong kong fire multiple rounds of tear gas at protesters. there are reports protesters are throwing firebombs at police, setting small fires. nbc's matt bradley is in hong kong and joins us now. matt, what tu he will us about what's going on there? >> reporter: phillip, this is the heart of the tension here in hong kong. we're in admiral at this, the government district of hong kong. it's where beijing, the mainlandly aces with the semi autonomous region. there was fighting in front of the office was of the people's liberation army and the government offices. unlike in previous weeks, this was a relatively small demonstration but it ran very hot. about two hours of angry back and forth between the police who were firing tear gas, who were firing rubber bullets and

protesters throwing rocks and bricks at them. it was a new innovation that dispersed the protesters almost immediately. water cannons mounted on at least two trucks, that's only been here in the last month. this is still going hot here in hong kong. this is now the 14th, 15th week of protests that this has been going on and we're entering, nearly two weeks since the chief executive of hong kong withdrew the extradition bill that was the genesis of this whole movement. remember, this extradition bill would have seen anyone extradited to mainland china for trial or to serve their prison term. that outraged hong kongers. since she's withdrawn that bill, a lot of the protesters added a new slow fwan to protests: they're carrying their hand like this. five demands. it goes five and no less. they canned kerry lamb to

establish an independent inquiry into police brutality here in hong kong. s as you can see, the police are kited up and ready to fight and been preparing to finally disperse the few remaining protesters here in the streets here. >> new conflict in hong kong. the 15th straight week of protests. matt bradley reporting for us. thank you. now that the u.s. blames iran for the attack on saudi oil facilities, what, if anything should the u.s. do about it? that's next. johnson & johnson is a baby company.

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now to the morning headlines. breaking overnight. tropical storm humberto expected to strengthen into a hurricane today. the national hurricane center reports the storm is moving away from the bahamas. that is good news for the thousands of people who are suffering after hurricane dorian catastrophic landfall two weeks ago. relief efforts put on hold yesterday because of humberto skirting the area are expected to resume today. frightening moments in wildwood, new jersey when decking attached to a building collapsed trapping several victims in the rubble. investigators still don't know what caused the decks to give way at an annual firemen's

event. more than 20 were injured, including children. neighbors describe a chaotic scene. >> a lady standing there looking like a deer in the headlights. she came straight down. those guys were in shock, crying, bloody. united auto workers union, might be go on strike. a four-year contract between uaw and gm expired at midnight. the union and management are at odds over wages, health care benefits and other sticking points. there are 46,000 workers at 31 gm factories and 21 other facilities across the country. new today, the u.s. blaming tehran for yesterday's attack on a saudi arabian oil facility and iran dismissing those claims. hours after drone strikes hit the a ramapo site, yemen claimed

responsibility. bobby ghosh is here to discuss more. >> thank you for joining me. cutting through the blames and claims of responsibility, are we likely to see the u.s. trike iran over this? >> no, i don't think it will go to this. the president has repeatedly said he doesn't want to go to war with iran. it has a ten dense i to escalate and the law of unintended consequences. i'm not sure the united states wants to go down that road. it uses the yemeni rebels, the militias in iraq and there's an attempt to blame somebody else rather than accept the blame directly. i note that secretary of state pompeo is having none of that, he puts the blame squarely on iran. but i don't expect there will be military action. i hope not. >> with respect to oil production around the world, is

there any advantage for any country to strike saudi arabia in that way? >> i mean, we could go down the road of conspiracy theories, but this is, i believe in ar cam's razor. iran is the most likely. whoever they're acting through, if it -- if it looks like iran, smells like iran, likely it is iran. the who will benefit? benefits of this tend to be a very, very short-term. there will be a spike in oil prices, but then they will go down again. i can't imagine any government, aside from the obvious one kgo o this extent. >> if the u.s. says iran is responsible because they back and harm rebels, does that make the u.s. responsible any time any civilians are killed in saudi strikes in yemen? >> no.

this is a little more than that. the saudis are in a lawful war -- lawful or not. in war with yemen and use american and european arms. that's a matter of some embarrassment for the united states. but this is quite different. if if they're acting on guidance -- understand attacking a saudi installation is not merely a war against saudi arabia. this represents a huge part of the world supply of oil. you can make the argument that you're attacking the global economy here. if we're to believe the saudi authorities, they're taking millions of barrels off line, that is 6, 7% of the world's oil supply. this is in effect, an attack on the global economy. it requires a global response. >> very significant. do you think it could be in retaliation to any of the sanctions imposed on iran?

>> i'm sure that is what the iranians are saying to themselv themselves. they would not admit it in public. iran is in need of leverage. iran has to -- iran knows that the economic sanctions are hurting and eventually they must come to a negotiating table in order to get a break from those sanctions. they want to bring leverage to the table and the threat of attacking the world economy is a kind of leverage. it's a form of blackmail. but that is how iran conducts historically the iranian regime, has con dikted diplomacy, by blackmailing the world, grabbing individuals individuals as hostages or by threatening the shipping lanes in the persian gulf or now attacking installations that have an enormous bearing on the international economy. >> here's how ben rhoades, former national security adviser reacted to pompeo tweeting this is a dumb, dishonest and dangerous thing to say.

but do you think that iran should get a pass? >> putting aside what ben rhoades says. the fact is, if secretary pom poe a comes out in the open and says iran is to blame, then there's a burden of proof. it's very clear that iran is to blame, he should be able to demonstrate to the world. there's a tremendous opportunity coincidentally that comes up this week as the world gathers for the united nations general assembly. it is a perfect moment for the trump administration to present the evidence that it has of iran's culpability and rally the international community for international response. >> bobby, i want to talk about the upcoming israeli elections. but first i want to go to bill neely. he has the latest update from tel aviv. bill? >> good morning, phillip. a final poll is out in advance of tuesday's election. they show that this is a very tight race indeed between

benjamin netanyahu, israel's longest serving leader and the prime minister and the man he used to order around, command. benny gantt. once head of the israeli forces. it's neck and neck. this was an election that nobody wanted, not netanyahu, certainly not the israeli public. although benjamin netanyahu was given the chance to form a government, he failed. there are signs of vulnerability for the first time in beng men netanyahu's case. it's neck and neck. but over the last week, he hasn't had a good week. last tuesday, there were images of him being hustled off the stage as rockets came in on the city that he was speaking from, from gaza. that wasn't a good image because benjamin netanyahu portrays himself as mr. security. also last week, he went to meet vladimir putin.

there are reports that putin kept him waiting for three hours. also condemned the proposal to annex part of west bank. netanyahu has traded on his great relationship with both putin and of course, with president trump. but president trump is certainly edging towards negotiations with iran. so netanyahu's iran strategy, which is keep them in a box, prevent them having a nuclear weapon, certainly don't talk to them, that strategy is crumbling. it's significant because netanyahu is running as if donald trump was his running mate. he's on billboards, he's in every announcement, almost every tweet that benjamin netanyahu makes. so if there's any weakening in his relationship with president trump or with president putin, that's not good for netanyahu. so two days to go before polling. there's campaigning, rallies

tonight. but mr. netanyahu is perhaps more vulnerable than he has ever been. he's been israel's leader continuously for ten years, been at the top more than 30 years as a politician. but many people are saying, is this possibly netanyahu's last campaign? we'll see. phillip, back to you. >> bill neely, thank you. bring back bobby ghosh here. more on the alliance. the president tweeted he had a call with the prime minister discussing the possibility much a mutual defense treaty. bobby, this could be seen as tipping the scales. what do you think the implications are for president trump if netanyahu does not win this? >> it would be an embarrassment for president trump, especially since as bill.ed out, he's practically -- he's made netanyahu practically his running mate. i've never seen that for a foreign leader is on every

billboard and every piece of campaign literature that has been put out there. the clasp of netanyahu and trump is very, very tight. if netanyahu loses, then that's going to be a little embarrassment for donald trump. obviously, not fatal to his own presidential chances, but -- because that is farther down the road. the interesting question is going to be, for me, is what is going to be on top of the minds of israeli voters when they go to the polls on tuesday. when there was an election earlier this year, the opposition tried to make it about corruption to a large degree. beg your pardon, netanyahu faces all kinds of corruption, from israeli authorities. it didn't quite work. that was not enough to be sort of -- to undermine netanyahu's election prospects. what is that message this time around? looking from a little bit of a distance, it doesn't seem clear to me that the opposition has

been able to deliver a blow. my hunch is, at the end of the day, you're going to wind up again with a sort of inconclusive result where trump -- i keep -- freudian slips, i'm sorry. where netanyahu is probably the largest party but unable to form a coalition that can produce a government. that would be the worst outcome for everybody. >> bobby ghosh, appreciate your insights this morning. thank you so much. the trade war is china, how 2020 democrats would deal with it. that's next. xperience for ameri. that's why the nfl chose verizon. because they need the massive capacity of 5g with ultra wideband, so more screaming, streaming, posting fans... can experience 5g all at once. this is happening in 13 stadiums all across the country. now if verizon 5g can do this for the nfl... imagine what it can do for you.

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no trade deal yet between the trump administration and china. talks are slated to resume in october. meanwhile, the 2020 democratic candidates took the president to task over his trade war. but none of the candidates said they'd immediately repeal any of the tariffs that president trump put into place. >> tariffs are pummeling producers and farmers in iowa who have nothing to do with the imbalances we have with china. >> the president clearly has no strategy. >> he is treating our farmers and our workers like poker chips in one of his bankrupt casinos. >> this erratic haphazard trade war is hurting american families. >> our trade policy in america has been broken foredecades. >> we've got a guy in the white housey rat i can on trade policy, he conducts it by tweet.

>> we're going to make policy or china makes the rules of the road. >> donald trump's america first policy is actually an america isolated, an america alone policy. >> joining me now is a reporter from yahoo finance. good morning, thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> why do you think the 2020 candidates have stayed away from specific policy regarding trade and the tariffs? >> because the situation is very kplim indicated. none of them want to say i would pull back all tariffs on day one. instead, they're criticizing president trump for his trade war policies that created victims on both sides. that is accurate. at the same time, they don't have a better strategy and there are unfair trade practices that china implemented. there has been piracy of intellectual property. there are challenges there but none of them want to be the person to say this is my plan and then the plan is not solid. >> do you think the tariffs are still in place come 2020 if donald trump does not get

re-elected? >> yes. >> how is that going to play going forward? it's going to turn into whoever gets elected, their problem. >> maybe it's a missed opportunity for democrats. one of them could have stood on stage and said on day one, i'm going to pull back tariffs and get the support of corporate america. many ceos complained about the tariffs, say they've i am packed their business when you look at the numbers. when it's calculated that the trade war cost the economy 300,000 jobs. plus when it comes to consumers by 2020, it's supposed to cost them over $2,000 annually. there was an opportunity there. but at the same time, there's the challenge of how do you deal with the actual problems we have with trade with china. >> president trump, he praises himself as the ultimate deal maker and still unable to make that deal with xi jinping. do you think that hurts his re-election efforts? >> pete buttigieg mocked president trump on stage saying wasn't there supposed to be a deal in april. it's been confusing in the sense

that president trump's policy has been, first of all, by tweet and head spinning, escalations and deescalations and delays and truces. there was that tweet a couple weeks ago on that friday when president trump was saying i hereby order companies to start moving their operations out of china. >> that's not something he can do. >> right. corporation ceos are like, what? it takes years to put in place supply chains. you can't on a dime switch. those who have the financial might have started doing that. vietnam is the biggest beneficiary of the trade war with china. whether it comes to small businesses, they can't move operations out of china. that leaves more uncertainty and impact on jobs. >> elizabeth warren is touting that the u.s. trade policy is broken and only works for giant corporations. do you think that's a fair assessment? >> yes. i thought she stood out on stage. we've had broken trade policies

for years and she focused on how many american businesses chose to move their manufacturing out of the united states and into china. that was their decision. she actually said that you've got many american corporation rs that, if they could save a job by moving it overseas to save a nickel, they would do it. not to save a job, but because they could make more money. we know that's true. we know across the country, there are cities that benefited from manufacturing. once they move that to china, we've seen them collapse. i' -- i've seen them a bbandonedab foreclosed because the city used to be about manufacturing. we have plent incompetent more to talk about. oil prices next hour. you're going to speak with us then. >> sounds good. beto o'rourke, his attempt to clarify his debate remark that angered some gun owners, as well as politicians. did he really need to do that? e?

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i raise that, joy, because others have said this is something we'd fear if there were mandatory buyback program. no. we expect people to follow the law. that's certainly what i believe will happen. >> former texas congressman and presidential candidate beto o'rourke. clarifying remarks that he made in the democratic debate. he sparked controversy by saying we're going to take your ar-15, your ak-47. joining me now is progressive commentator and talk show host rashad richie and former speech writer for president george w. bush. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> does the fact that o'rourke is clarifying that remark say that he realizes he went too far or slipped up in his choice of words? >> it was unfortunate phraseology, however, he provided context during the debate. we have a president of the united states who commits himself to unfortunate phraseology every single hour virtually. i think he provided clear and

ferrakohn text while debating this. here's the number. beto warks clos closer to the a american. some sort of assault he is also for a mandatory buy-back program which was the basis of his argument during the debate. well, 45% of americans are actually for that as well, and roughly 50% of republicans are comfortable with some sort of ban on general assault weapons in the united states. so beto is not far out in his ideology here. i don't know why people are trying to make it seem as if he's outside of the box, liberal or progressive, when the truth is he's closer to the argument of the average american than most conservatives are. >> let me ask you that, ned. do republicans get the distinction between beto o'rourke's aim to take those military-style weapons off of the street and his goal of upholding americans' rights to own their other firearms, not

just the ones that are that style? >> well, no, i think all that they heard was that he wants to take away -- he wants to confiscate, he wants to gun grab. that's all they heard the other night and i think that's what they'll continue to hear, and all you will see play is is that clip that we will take away ar-15s and ak-47s. i've been making the argument that democrats are finally dropping the masquerade. they want to take away guns. we have to have this debate. i'm not even sure they understand what they're talking about in regards to military assault weapons of war as beto would say. semi-automatic weapons, certain looks, doesn't mean that there's certain capabilities that are different from others. the thing that troubles people if you are going to take away ar-15s and ak-47s where does it stop. when beto is saying these things he's fulfilling all of the fears of people that myself and others have said, democrats simply want

to grab guns and take away people's rights to have them. i don't care what kind of clarification he wants to make after a debate. he actually said it. it will be replayed again and again and again through 2020. >> not all of democrats agree with at least o'rourke's rhetoric. rashad, i want to play chris coons, his reaction to o'rourke's comment about taking people's ar-15s and ak-47s. >> i think that that clip will be played for years at second amendment rallies with organizations that try to scare people by saying democrats are coming for your guns. i'm a gun owner, my sons and i have gone skeet shooting and hunting and frankly i don't think having our presidential candidates like congressman o'rourke did say that we're going to try to take people's guns against their will is a wise either -- >> all right. rashad, does he reflect what

most democrats think about this? >> i don't think he reflects what the majority of thinking is. i believe the clip may be taken out of context as he said, however, when a clip is taken out of context, phil, that means it's a lie. so obviously you will have those on the right utilize that one she goment, that one slip and not allow for the opportunity that beto provided which was context. they will do that against beto for a political point, but those are the same people who would argue that the media does exactly that against their beloved president trump. so i find it quite hypocritical that they would promote a narrative that's obviously not the narrative from that debate stage in order to win or land political points. >> but it is. but it is. i would actually say that senator coons actually came off, i think, representing a lot more of the democratic party than people want to admit. he understands that they have a

problem with beto o'rourke's comments. there are a lot of rural democratic voters in the rust belt who heard beto o'rourke's statements the other night and had real pause thinking about a presidential candidate actually saying this from the stage. >> let's go back to the numbers. >> wait. wait. rashad -- >> 45% of americans are for enforcing the mandate. >> i want to say something where i agree actually with what senator coons said. if you watch that whole clip where he says he has concerns about beto o'rourke he also went on to say that he is pushing some legislation in regards to the background checks that i actually agreed with as a gun owner and owner of an ar-15 i said that is actually common sense that could actually and probably should pass congress. >> not probably. let's go back to your probably statement. 90% of americans believe we need universal background checks for the last eight years and nothing has really happened on both sides of the equation. go to the number of beto. beto is on the side more so the

average american and that's something that you guys are trying to take out of context. he never said he wanted to take all guns. he provided context to the statement, he clarified it during the debate, he has clarified it after the debate and i don't think the majority of americans heard that he simply wants to take guns. that is the narrative that you guys would like to spin. >> ned, speaking about that, i mean, we are talking about context here, right? you have to remember o'rourke he was drawing from what he saw and what he heard after those two recent mass shootings in texas, especially the one in his hometown of el paso. do you think, ned, it is possible that beto o'rourke does have a better reading of american sentiment on this issue of gun rights more so than republicans in washington have? >> i don't, actually. i think part of the problem with beto o'rourke's statements are about ar-15 and ak-47 what we're dealing with is semi-automatic weapons. these are not weapons you would find on a battlefield, you're talking about semi-automatic weapons and quite frankly there are more powerful weapons than

ar-15rks that private citizens can buy. the question is if you're going to say we're going to have mandatory buy backs for an ar-15 and ak-47 where does he actually stop? are you going to keep on going down the path of other ones that have different capabilities. 308, 30.06 all these things or is that what he's talk being? the problem is the debate of what is a fundamental right, where do you draw the line, how do you actually protect the rights of 99.5% of the american people and deal with the half percent of those that are mentally insane, that have criminal records and this is what senator coons was actually addressing where he said if somebody comes in and lies on a background check it immediately triggers local state law enforcement to come to that place and actually arrest that person. i have no problem with that kind of approach. >> all right. ned, i have to draw the line with us here. we have run out of time in this segment unfortunately. ned ryan, rashad ritchie thank

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