they shared the american dream without seeing the events in charlottesville when i saw those tortures and heard the chants and saw the hate, i knew like all of you though i hoped it would never happen again, and i knew like all of you that hate was on the march. i knew it was again a defining moment for me and for all of us and that our silence would be complicit. hate is on the rise again, and we are at a defining moment again in american history. who are we? we need to begin the battle for the soul of america. those of us who are white try, but we cannot fully understand no matter how hard we try. we are almost, almost at this next phase of progress in my

view. it is hard heart-wringing work, but there is almost 330 americans, and i know that there is nothing that we can't accomplish if we stand together. >> joining me to talk about the speech, is mike in birmingham, and as promised "a.m. morning host" joy reid, and so now we will start with mike, and what are some of the headlines out of the speech? >> well, joe biden has talked repeat think throughout the career of the civil rights that motivated him to enter public service, and he joined the services here today to remember 56 years ago today that took the lives of four young girls in a bombing. it galvanized the civil rights movement. he wanted to give a deeply

personal and yes a political speech and putting this moment into some historical context and especially given the recent episodes of white supremacy and incidents today. the vice president is trying to put it in a historical sweep as well talking about how america has always aspired to the lofty ideals and quality and justice, and clearly as the bombing showed, but recent incidents like in el paso and the jewish synagogue in pittsburgh and the charleston ame church years ago, and we continue to struggle with the issues of race. it is also interesting, alex, as he talked about his personal role in this movement, and him as a white person who was inspired to do what he says is his best, and he struggles wit. we will hear more of what the vice president had to say. >> those of us who are white try, but we can never fully, fully understand no matter how hard we try. we are almost, we are almost at

this next phase of progress in my view. it is hard heart-wringing work, but there is almost 330 americans, and i know that there is nothing that we can't accomplish if we stand together, stand up against hate and stand up for what the best of our nation believes, honesty, and decency and treating everyone with dignity and respect and giving everybody a fair shot and leaving nobody behind and giving hate no safe harbor, demonizing no one and not the poor, the powerless, the immigrant or the other, standing as beacon for the world, and being part of something bigger than ourselves. >> one other headline, alex, in light of the debate when the former vice president has been criticized for the answer of a question of reparations, and the vice president saying here today, that there can be no realization of the american dream excuse me without americans grappling with the original sin of slavery, and

also centuries as he put it of violence directed at african-americans in this country. alex. >> amen to that. okay. thank you, mike. stay with us. joy reid, let's go to you now, and i'd love for you to talk about the significance of this moment for joe biden and the timing of his speech. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, yeah. it is a event already planned before anybody knew what remarks he would make and the awkward answer that he gave on black families and the way that black parents raised their children at the third debate. but what is interesting about joe biden is that in some ways he represents the trajectory of white america itself over this course of time. this bombing takes place in 1963, september of 1963, 40 years ago, 1963, and then joe biden gets elect nod the united states senate nine years later in 1972, and the thing about it, while he says that the bombing shook his generation no core, and showed that working against racism, and working against

racism against black americans specifically, it could not be done on the fringes and it had to be wholeheartedly fought and becoming a public attorney and trying to help people in terms of helping people indigent who needed legal help and that kind of thing. however, that same guy, you know, lived in a city that was occupied by nine months of occupation after successes were spurred by things like this bombing, because you get the 1964 voting rights act and the housing rights act in 1968. when king is killed, that nine-month occupation then for people in his city then becomes the federal government turning on them, right? the attitude of senator joe biden is that he was against things like bussing. you know, joe biden is somebody who on race followed the same history of a lot of white working class americans who

while they were sympathetic to what was happening in a town called bombingham, and that is how many terrorist bombing there were near birmingham, and while they were sympathetic to that kind of outrage, the idea of having integration in their schools, and integration in their neighborhoods and the unions becoming integrated and competing with african-americans for jobs, that became an anathema and so then you see the white cohort flee and leave the democratic party and go to the republican party. so not joe biden, but he is the guy arguing to put clarence thomas on the supreme court, and for women, he has expressed empathy for women, and somebody who occupies the working class space for americans, and that is why he is relatable. he's in this weird place in

american politics where the future, the younger generations, and i'm talking about genx and younger are not about the nostalgia that he spoke about, because it was a wonderful speech, and deeply personal, and you can tell that he feels this stuff in the heart and the gut, and he is a good man, but the past that he wants to take us back to doesn't exist. a lot of the younger, particularly black and brown and non-white americans know full well that nostalgia is for something that is not real. and the past was horrific for people who look like me and people of your and my gender, and the past is not some great thing to bring back. so when the older voters say that we want that restoration, and that is what joe biden is, many young people don't, and they don't want to restore something that they believe is false in the premise. so this is the fight in the democratic party is whether or not we go for the restoration candidate like a joe biden or whether we turn the page and try to correct a lot of the pain and abuse of people of color, of

women, of lgbt people of the fight. >> and just the mere record player statement, and that is the timeliness of what he is and evolved from, but what is that era that is at the roots. and so speaking of that debate, there was the slavery question, and some have said that his response, joy, to that question was disqualifying, and that is including one of our msnbc analysts who talked to you yesterday about what he said and let's listen. >> thursday night without intending to, joe biden threw himself a retirement party. i don't say that lightly, and i don't say that the idea of him disqualifying himself lightly, but the reality is that the country is in a battle for the soul, the existential battle at which race is at the very heart in which white supremacy is at the very heart. joe biden is not out of the

tradition of the evil tradition of tradition of the racism of the hood, and not a white supremist, but he has revealed himself to be deeply veiled and hesitant to cut ties with the subtler racism in american life. >> that is yesterday and now, today, what he said at the church, and did biden say anything, joy, that mitigates it at least for some people? >> i would say probably not, because fundamentally the challenge for joe biden is that he is coming out of the past, and included in the past is what you call the pound cake speech approach to black america, and scolding black americans what bill cosby did in the past, and what would irk some people about the way that president obama spoke about pick yourself up, and pull up the pants and go to school, and criticizing the way that african-americans live their lives, and it is the culture, and that is what is

wrong with the people in the african-american community and something brown and black, and it is something about you, and it is not the opportunity, but it is the culture and not playing the record player enough, and not playing with your children, hand is the problem of the critique of what joe biden said and why that analyst called for him to get out of the race. because people are not here for the critique of black life coming from somebody who quite frankly wrote the crime bill and the ultimate statement about kind of punishing the community for the ills that are inflicted on the community by everything from the drug war to the gun proliferation throughout the country, and that crime bill which he co-wrote and which the women's act is a part of and the older african-americans and cbc members were for, and unleashed the policing and the war on drugs in an incredible way in

the community. this is going to be his problem, because he has a generational problem, and his speech while it is good and personal and are reminded everybody of the joe they love, the uncle joe is not going to impact younger voters who do not fundamentally want the restoration idea that he is essentially the embodiment of in this race. >> brittany, i want to bring you into the conversation here, and i want your take of biden's speech and what you thought about it, and if it is a chance to be a redeeming moment for the younger generation that joy says won't buy into it, because there was all of the criticism of his answer thursday night of how the address the legacy of slavery. >> well, joy is making a salient point, alex of how the young voters and particularly young black voters feel about joe biden. disclaimer that all black voters don't think alike or vote alike and so a lot of the black folk will have progressive ideology like the genzs and other

millennial voters. but we cannot underestimate the importance of meeting the voters where they are, and joend does well with the older black voters, so the question is how do i crystallize the older black voters and seg them away from elizabeth warren and being in a black church is 100% the right way to begin that conversation. talk about black churches and black sermons for a moment, because it is a place to dodge the politics. there he can dodge perhaps the highly criticized record on race. he is able to dodge his comments from the debates a couple of nights prior and speak to older black voters especially in a homily and in a sermon couched in language they are comfortable with and used to do the peer-to-peer organizing. i often say that going to the church is like canvassing for a candidate, but that canvassing coming with the hallelujah and amen. and those people there will be

talking to their peers and children, and coaxing them to vote for joe biden and we cannot underestimate the value of that like we can't underestimate the value of young voters. >> clear le, charly, charlie, h master of those who are 65 and older and they are the ones who get out there to go to the polls, and it is their duty to have a strong preprdpredilictio getting out there to vote. and can they do that or will people of his age relate to him? >> well, part of it is the answer to the mingled question, is if he rambled on and nobody understand what he was saying or that he is inarticulate speaking off of the cuff or maybe

speaking towards his age or specific to the content of the question and the answer that he was asked about, and does america owe more to the descendents of slaves, and then he was trying to talk about as i understood it, because it is a little bit mangled pivoting towards that we need to do more to deal with how kids are growing up in the impoverished situations, and more spending and more prekindergarten classes and then got off of the rails in this record player direction. part of what we are seeing in those numbers that you showed up is that they cut very differently than most of the conversation that we have been having here and in the past hour of this network as well, that people who are denouncing biden were not supporting him before. it is not like, oh, i was a biden guy and he gave this dumb answer and i wanted him to be the nominee, because they never wanted him to be the nominee, because he is part of the older half of the democratic party,

and the progressive circles, yo all races are moving to the older voters, so he has the lead in the democratic voters and it is not clear to me that any of this is going to change that. >> all right. charlie savage, and brittany shepherd, and joy reid, and mike memoli, i will be get to you more, and thank you. and now, what disagreements do the candidates have? >> we have different policies, but what unites us is stronger. we need to fire up the base, yes, but bring in the moderate republicans and independents. >> i am not worried. we have to go through this and it is part of the process and it is a good thing to unite the disparate voices. >> shame on us if we can't gather a majority of the

americans who agree with us on a majority of the issues and use it to win an election, but to govern well. >> today, these candidates holding their message and tomorrow the president is to hold a rally in new mexico. joining me from out west is katy hill, and welcome back to the broadcast and good to have you. so let's get into this. >> good to be here. >> your reaction to this. are the democrats fractured and does that put 2020 at risk and what would you do to remedy it? >> i agree with the candidates who were saying that the things that unite us are so much powerful than the things that divide us. maybe you have differences on some of the policy details, but the reality is that one thing that we agree on that the other side does not is that every single person deserves health case, and every single person deserves access to opportunity. there are fundamental values that are basic for u and the other side is not on board with. so the primary process is

important, and it is something that we all have to go through, and it can seem tense at times, but the real test is going to be who is the candidate who comes out of this, and how are they going to do a good job to bringing us together afterwards, and i have full faith in the field that they will be able to do that >> and hopefully stronger as a result of surviving this brutal primary at times. >> and the other thing, really quick, is that it is also on us as voters and leards across the spectrum of the democratic party to make sure that people are prioritizing that, and saying that you cannot, and you don't have the luxury of saying i don't agree on such and such issue, and i won't vote for them. we cannot do that, the stakes are high, and trump is in the white house, and we have to get him out. and we will continue to push whatever the agenda is that we are fighting for, but know that the president on the democratic side and the candidate on the democratic side is going to be more in touch with our values and respond to the people. >> are you confident that the

democrats will coalesce and get out to polls and vote donald trump out of office as result? >> i really do. i really am coni the dent abo f some people will be disgruntled that their candidate did not make it through. i made it through a tough primary, and the reality is that you are to bring the people back together and they come around. at the end of the day, people just want to see trump out, and hopefully, we can capitalize on, that and they we will. >> and let's get to impeachment, and this debate growing this week, because you and your fellow democrats are divided whether an official inquiry is under way, but listen to former attorney general eric holder on this matter. >> do you believe that there are grounds for impeachment for congress to proceed with impeachment? >> i don't believe there is any doubt about that, and looking at just the mueller report, there are grounds there for impeachment. there were ten specifications of possible obstruction of justice,

and at least four of those are pretty solid. and then in addition, you know, the emollients clause, and there is no question of a basis of an inquiry into impeachment. >> you took your time congresswoman, and you gave it a lot of thought and you have come up out in support of impeachment, but is eric holder giving voice to that which your fellow democrats should be saying as well? >> i do. and i think that when i am at capitol hill, we are in an impeachment investigation and not much dispute about that, because there is not a separate vote on the impeachment inquiry, and that not going to happen. the next step is the judiciary committee deciding whether to recommend the articles of impeachment to the house floor. i believe that we are getting to that point. i want to make sure and my colleagues have all of the evidence possible to have the

information to bring the potential charges to light and come forward and then it is up to each of us the charges or the articles they are recommending, and maybe four like mr. holder said or it could be, you know, it could end up being 20, and we don't know, because this is the process that we are in to figure that out. and so i would imagine that some people are voting on certain article, and some are voting no on others, but i think that we are hitting a point where there is not a question that it is going to get there. the real number that we should be wondering about is whether 218 people are likely to vote yes on at least some of those articles, because if we don't have 218, then i don't think that it is going to come to the floor, because that is how it works. so, but i do think that when push comes to shove, people, my colleagues recognize that we are here to uphold the constitution, and we don't want to do this. nobody should want to impeach a president of the united states, but we may have to, and we are

pretty much looking at that, i think. >> your colleagues in a subcommittee of oversight holding an emergency hearing this past week on the trump administration's decision to ban a process, and end it literally that allows severely ill immigrants to apply to remain in the u.s. to get medical treatment. take a listen to some of the emotional sound of the people affected. >> this is not a bipartisan issue, but it is a humanitarian issue and our lives depend on it. >> today, the lawyers said that the medical deferment act was cancel and i started to cry and told my mom, i don't want to die. i don't want to die. if i go back to honduras, i will die. >> it is heartbreaking and you can see how much it is hurting people. do you believe it is inhumane decision for the administration and for what purpose? >> it is a inhumane decision, and this just another example of the cruelty that this administration is willing to put forward to try to quote, unquote deter immigration, and i also

think that this is, you know, there is not any kind of the thought out process of how these new rules or new policies are going to be rolled out. 33 days is the amount of time that they notified families that would be affected to literally move out of the country, and you are talking about some of the most complicated medical conditions imaginable. i can't think of moving out of my house with 33 days' notice and let alone out of the country with new doctors and what is the most tragic is that it is the pediatricians and the medical professionals who are saying that you can't do this, these are lives on the line. so it is another example of the inhumanity, and i think that we need to be reframing this as, listen, we can disagree on the immigration and who can ultimately be allowed in the country and how we want to talk about border security, and whatever the case may be, but this is talking about people's lives and talking about what are our values, and what does it

mean to be an american that believes in humanity and believes in, you know, other people's inherent worth as human beings. >> california representative katy hill. you have an open invitation any time on the show. enjoyed talking to you. >> thank you. and the president took to twitter to defending the supreme court justice brett kavanaugh, and this story ahead. and the developing situation of saudi arabia and the attack on the country's oil production and who is responsible, and how that strike could affect the global economy. i am royalty of racing, raise your steins to the king of speed.

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new today the president defending u.s. supreme court justice brett kavanaugh after new allegations of sexual misconduct surfaced. hans, what is this about? >> there is a big investigative piece, and there isle allegations of the deborah ramirez allegation, and i won't get into the tawdry aspects of it, but the longer term consequential aspect of is that the fbi failed to investigate some of the witnesses that could have and were actually volunteer and trying to get in touch with the fbi to corroborate these incidents that took place at yale university. there is a new one as well that matches as well, but the pattern is that the fbi tried to reach out to him, or these people tried to reach out to the fbi, and the fbi didn't follow up. that is causing the presidential candidates on the democratic side to go ahead to talk about

how they might have to impeach justice kavanaugh, and you have mr. castro, and senator harris on that side of the ledger, and the president weighing in calling it a libel. this is what the president said this morning in a pair of tweets. he said that brett kavanaugh should start suing people for libel or the justice department should come to his rescue. the lies told about him are unbelievable and false accusations without recrimination. and so in some ways we have both sides digging in, and the president defending the supreme court justice, and mr. kavanaugh through the spokesperson has declined a comment to the new york times and they could not reach out in any arrangement of how he would talk, and there is not a lot new in coming from that side of the ledger. so i think that we will follow this story, but the president is clearly supporting his justice. >> thank you for that, hans. and we will further this as hans reported the democratic presidential candidates are

calling for the impeachment from julio castro and kamala harris. they said that the fbi failed to properly investigate the matter. amy klobuchar described the process as a sham, and vital documents were not turned over, and witnesses called. and senator jones says that all democrats except for joe manchin voted no on kavanaugh's confirmation. and thank you for joining me. first question, have you made -- >> thank you. >> -- have you made peace with kavanaugh justice for life or do you think that he should be impeached? >> well, i am not going to go to that point, because i have not seen the details of the article, but it is inevitable ashlgs and the point that people are making is that we didn't have a proper investigation. there was a real rush to make sure that the nomination got through according to timetable that senator mcconnell wanted it to get through, and no point in that. we should have had a full, fair,

thorough investigation, and these questions would have come up then, and would have been answered, so it is, you know, right now, we are going to get into the political season which makes it worse. >> but senator, when you are talking about an appointment for life by your own opinion, and the opinion of many others joining you, without having a full investigation, is there anything that can be done to continue looking into brett kavanaugh? >> well, there are things that can be done and whether they will be done remains to be seen based on the allegations coming out in the "times" today, and we will see how it goes, but at some point, he was confirmed and that what the constitution says. but if it is in fact that he lied to the committee, that is serious allegation, and people can be impeached for that, but the fact is that this is inevitable, and that is what the other side fails to recognize. it is what the president fails to recognize that this was an inevitable that someone would

continue to investigate and get to the bottom of this, and it is unfortunate that we didn't have all of this information for everyone to have a full investigation and opportunity to review it back in the fall. >> well, speaking of the other side, sir, this is what one of your republican colleagues said about this earlier today. take a listen. >> at the end of the day, the american people made a judgment that the evidence wasn't there, and the corroboration wasn't there. and i think that this article just shows the obsession with the far left with trying to sneer justice kavanaugh. at some point they have to let the anger go. >> senator ted cruz there airing his thoughts. should the american public just forget about this, or do you think that there is an avenue for some form of justice for the accusers? >> well, there's got to be a full investigation and it can't be simply what is going on in a report. people jumped the gun too quickly and that is part of the problem that we have. we have the problem of the

media, and problem of both sides that everybody has absolutely based on this one report already gone to the corners, and this is unfortunate in american politic, because we cannot have civil discussions without talking about impeachment this or investigations this. it is all personal. i agree with ted to some extent about this, because it is now a political issue and personal issue, but he is wrong in the fact that the american people did vote for the american people, because it was a senate confirmation, and the american people are still divided over that issue. >> all right. senator jones, let's talk about the memorial service marking the 56th year since the bombing of the 16th street baptist church in birmingham, and you are the perfect guest to talk about this, and you were in law school, sir, when you went to the trial of the first suspect, and when you became the u.s. attorney in alabama, you prosecuted two more white supremist suspects and this is what joe biden said about you. >> he like many of you, he never

gave up on justice for addie may or cynthia or carol or denise, never. it didn't matter to him that almost 40 years had passed. doing the right thing does not tarnish with time. we know that we are not there yet. >> so what goes through your mind on a day like this? >> well, i think back to the children. i think back to the families. i think back to my community. i think back to the fact that, you know, birmingham at the time tried to sweep it under the carpet and ignore it as if it did not really happen. now we memorialize this every year, because we seem to be sliding back. there is more hateful rhetoric going on in the political discourse, and the social discourse today, and it can lead to deadly consequences. we saw it in charleston and

charlottesville and other places. so this is dividing us more than it unifies us with the rhetoric. so we have to remember the things that happened in birmingham and elsewhere so we don't repeat the mistakes, and unfortunately, we are repeating those. >> joe biden in some ways reacted to criticism that came his way after thursday night's debate, and i know that you have endorsed him and did so in april. what did you think of, first of all, his answers in the debate, and how some felt that his answers were disqualifying and couple that with the address today and if he hit the right tone. >> well, i thought that the debate performance was very, very strong. it was very good. i don't think that he said anything that was disqualifying. the problem that we have got today is that so many people look through the political lenses of the day and they don't look back on somebody's full history, and his history has been one for the african-american people. it is one for civil rights and

standing up for human rights, to speaking out and doing the right thing. that is why he is the first african-american's vice president. barack obama never would have chosen him if there had been any question about his commitment to civil rights, human rights and for all minority communities in the country. i was pleased with the performance the other night in the debate. i was especially moved with his speech today. this is always a moving memorial service, and to have a former vice president with his history give those remarks today was especially important for the family and for this community and i think that for folks across the country. >> last question to you, senator, someone who has been on the front lines of prosecuting hate. what you think that biden needs to do to really make a difference in african-americans, and the country's fight against the institutionalized racism? >> well, he does that. i think that he talkts ts abou

and that a big problem. we as the country and state of alabama have not reckoned with the original sin of slavery, and we don't talk about it, and we like to talk about how far we have gone, and we have only gone so far and backsliding. so we need a supreme court that recognizes the importance of the voting rights ash wnd need t ri voting rights out there, and he is going to continue to talk about those thing, and record to back it up. i am proud of the record for him. as long as we continue to talk about this. the most important thing is that right now with the social media, we see so much hateful rhetoric out there, and we have to dial it back, and we have to teach our children and grandchildren and get all people to dial back the hateful rhetoric so people cannot completely go to the corners to talk about race and how it affects all of us. we are a diverse society, and becoming ever so diverse and people have to come to grips with that and start acting like we are one people. >> alabama senator doug jones, and pleasure to speak to you,

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because we have an indictment in the southern district of new york. >> relative to the michael cohen payoffs. >> yes. and michael cohen is in jail with regard to his role there, and individual number one is the president, and the next attorney general or the next president is going to have to make a determination. >> and joining me now is democratic strategist atima and chris who is a presidential candidate adviser, and also republican strategist susan del percio, and so let's get right into it, and thank you all for joining me. and look, you worked with eric holder in the obama administration, and is he voicing what many are hoping happens when president trump leaves office? >> well, it is important to follow the process and there is an impeachment inquiry and what the attorney general is saying that you could pursue action

against the president when he leaves office, and that is something that has not happened, because previous predecessors are not investigated and so it is when donald trump made the hallmark of lock her up indicating he would go after hillary clinton, and so the house judiciary committee is following the process and see where it goes before talking about prosecution after he leaves office. >> what do you think in terms of the democrats want in a post-presidency process here? do they want the speck tackle of a former president of the united states on trial, and everything that comes with that? >> well, i think that, again, to chris's point, we will see exactly what specifically sort of happens with the impeachment inquiry to provide us with the evidence and to the american public to make the case, and we know that the southern district of new york is something sealed that holder said in that

interview, and he is individual one, and what the democrats are looking to see is that unlike nixon who came to an era where primarily probably was at the best time at the time not the pursue prosecution of him which is what ford decided to do, now this is an era where trump has the twitter account and the political party behind him who has definitely watched him undermine the democratic institutions, and lied on many things that we know not even related to some of the stuff that he is going to be potentially charged on. he is not going to go away, and with that considered, it is important for the democrats to see, and honestly a lot of independents who also don't believe that trump is being honest on everything is that we show in a civil court that no president is above the law, and that if he has done things that are wrong, and that is to be determined, and prosecuted, then it is a message to future presidents and political parties that the best thing for our

democracy is to hold those in power accountable. >> and your take on this, susan, do you think that the next attorney general is going to have to make this call, and if he or she prosecutes it could fracture this country? >> yes, and this country does want to come together. i am not a trump supporter, but i want to see the country coming together and this president is seeking to divide it. perhaps one of the things, and i'm not an attorney, but it seems to me that the only hope if they wanted to pursue this, and a new president would want to pursue this, it would be to leave the standing attorney general in the southern district there who is a republican appointee, and see what they do to move it forward, because it would be done through the southern district. and see what their decision is, but i think that it is a very difficult thing, because this country has so much healing to do, and if we are going to see the next president of the united

states attempt to do that, going after donald trump in court while it may be legal and viable that way, really it could hurt us, and let's not forget to atima's point, president trump is not going away and he is going to have an active twitter following, and extremes to the left and the right and how much we can bring it together from the middle. >> chris, i wanted to play more of eric holder and what he says that the next attorney general should consider in all of this. >> i think that there is a potential cost to the nation by putting on trial a former president, and that ought to be at least a part of the calculus that goes into the determination to be made by the next attorney general. i think that we should also understand what the trial of a former president would do to the nation. >> chris, do you think that is his way of saying, if i were still the attorney general, i wouldn't go there? >> i think so. i think it is also as important

a recognition that this office of legal counsel memo which is the one that has stopped drchlg from prosecuted in the office needs to be revisited by the next attorney general, because it makes no sense to commit a crime to get you into office or perpetuates the time in office and not be held accountable for it. but it is goes back to the theory that in the country, we have a process to remove a president called impeachment, and elections every four years to hold the presidents liable. i am not fan of this president, but there is an aspect of healing that needs to take place after he leaves office and i'm not sure how a prosecution helps that. >> and i am interested in your part of the nation to be part of the calculus, and is that the right way to approach a potential prosecution of crimes? >> i think that it is an assumption that the a.g. is going to have to make, and

right, like he or she is going to have to make that assumption and take that into their calculus. for me personally, and certainly what i have heard from many democrats, and many never-trumpers and many independents is that quite frankly, this, what we believe is that he has tried to act, and he has undermined the democratic institutions and certainly as president. he has used his twitter to slam, injury and hurt people personally. probably some of those tweet, and well, we know that some of the tweets are lies on different thing, and again, he is not going to go away, but what the american public is very tired after the last three years is many things that ethically we know that his administration has done, and we don't know legally all of those things. to let a president walk away who is going to continue to be a divisive figure in an era of the cable news network and again the twitter account, and the lots of

supporters is how he can be held to be not above the law. and we are seeing people question this even with the kavanaugh hearing that it is a process that was not supposed to happen, and people were not followed up on, and now the people are questioning the legitimacy of the government the handle these things. >> and even if you were to be impeached in the house, it is not going to the senate, and we are clear of that, and wouldn't be democrats have want to get something on that? >> i think that impeachment would have been a significant move. it should have happened in the summer, and it is taking a long time and a long time to fix this problem if you will, but it going forward a complicated matter and we have to see how things play out. i mean, 2020 is still a long ways away. >> and that means that we will be talking about this again. good to see all three of you. thank you. and now some democrats say now is the time to cut the

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i think at this point in time we need to narrow the field and unite as democrats to get trump in november 2020. and that is why i believe that i'm moving my support to vice president joe biden. >> new today, congressman gonzalez switching his endorsement from castro to suppo support joe biden. and joining me now, maryann williamson. nice to see you. >> always good to see you. thank you you. >> and let's look at what this congressman is doing there switching hit endorsement because he wants democrats to have the best chant to beat trump. what is your reaction and do you think it is time for democrats to coalesce around potentially the top tier candidates and bring the party together? >> the democratic party is in sch a state of denial i'm afraid. there is no conversation of any depth or reality about what the president represents and what it

will take to defeat him. this idea that we all just need to come around the values. the values of health care? this president is not just a politician, he is a phenomenon. the democrats are sharpening their knives and he will be bringing a gun to this battle. we need to recognize that we have the same person we had last time, so coming against him with the same stuff that we lost last time, he will be who he was last time but so is steroids. theincumbency, power of the russians for all we know. we need to have equal innovation and that is so much bigger than let's just all come together. what are we even talking about? that is what is quite concerning to me. >> so then how do combat in your mind what is the most effective way to combat this trump phenomenon? >> well, i'm doing it by having a completely different conversation. he is a reality show.

i'm showing reality. and the democratic establishment is just coming with the same sort of 20th century conversation. it didn't excite people last time. we need to be thinking about all the millions of people, it is not just about who supporting trump versus who supports us. it is about the millions of people who didn't vote last time. it is about the people who voted for jill stein. we need to be talking about something so much deeper than just a rational analysis of policy and how we all need to come together. this is like -- it is very sad for me to see. so what i'm saying is that people are responding to a conversation that gets real about the injustice in our economy, about traumatized children, about the moral challenge that we have with climate. we have an ecosystem that is imploding. we have to get real about race. we have to get real about war and peace and our national security. and in ways that the current political democratic

establishment doesn't even want to do. and alex, if that is the case, if we continue to be this kind of thing, then i have very, very deep concerns and that is why i'm in this campaign and will continue to have the conversation that i think has far more energy, far more depth and far more chance of beating donald trump. >> so do you think the democratic party, rules and regulations for getting you on a debate stage is not serving you well? you mentioned jill stein and that brings to mind the prospect of independence. would you consider going to an independent party? >> no. absolutely not. not with donald trump in the presidency. absolutely not. i will not do anything to take ten votes away from the democratic candidate and i will snow up for the democratic candidate no matter who it is. but this is the time for democrats to get out of denial. republican voters don't just tow the line beneath the rnc the way democratic voters too often we're just towing the line,

figuring that the dnc knows everything. the dnc doesn't know everything. they obviously didn't know everything last time. we have a sent of what is true interests us, the voter. that is what we need to be speaking to. the deeper wisdom, the deeper nobility and intelligence. and by the way not just the democrats, there are so many people i believe who voted for trump but who are at least disturbed. if all we do is attack trump, then they feel shamed and that won't make us want to vote for them. we have to have a larger american conversation, not just our side ver suggestisus their . we need to talk about the future of the country, we need to talk about ending an aberration al chapter and invoking new possibilities that lies on the other side of this. we need deeper look at what is truly wrong so that we can get to a deeper understanding of all the wonderful things that we can do to make it right. >> so you are clearly out

campaigning, appearing on television interview, this one and many others, but you might not make the debate stage if certain criteria, poll numbers, that is you have to hit three 2% or greater coming up. so if you don't make that debate stage, how do you get the your message out when you've got i think it was 14 million that watched thursday night's debate. a great audience. >> do you think those 14 million people thought that was an exciting evening? the candidates 24e78s a s thems lovely people. but j are we making the democratic debates everything? they are an important thing because of all the eyeballs, but if anything, a lot of democrats saw that debate and are going we might be in trouble here. there was nothing super exciting that was emerging from that screen, i'm sorry. >> so what is most exciting about your candidacy and if it is exciting, why has it yet to

resonate with voters to the point that puts you on that debate stage? what do you need to change, what do you need to do? >> first of all, when you say it is not resonating with voters, you are basing it on those polls. that is not an election. the voters have not weighed in here. the polls are so opaque. i'm not so sure that there is not a ground swell for me that is not being shown in those polls. if you see the kind of money that other candidates have to spend, so with the money i have, i can have three field organizers where somebody else has 99 field organizers. that is why i hope that people who are is interested in another look will go to mayor maryann o 2020.com. i don't want to sell myself, but when i'm out there and having a deeper conversation about the

fact that america has gone off the rails morally, we need to talk about millions of traumatized children, that is why i want the department of children and youth, we need to deal with race and enter the promised land already. you know, i think of martin luther king, if he were alive 2k5id, he wouldn today, he wouldn't just want to talk about the church bombings, he would want to talk about mass in-carts races and trayvon martin and ferguson. actually be a generation that makes a change. we need a world war ii level mobilization around climate reversal and the fact that we need to deal with an otherwise possible implosion of our ecosystem. we have to talk about the fact that the united states has sacrificed moral leadership. we are paying for it, we are supporting a genocidal war that saudi arabia is prosecuting against yemen starving tens of

thousands of people including children just for the sake of a $350 billion arm sale. and when we need to talk about the fact that all of this will lead to further chaos and even worse if we don't talk about it, it will lead i believe to a second term for donald trump. >> well, no doubt that you bring a very comprehensive passion. always great to talk with you. breaking news, the president is defending supreme court justice brett kavanaugh after allegations of sexual misconduct resurfaced. nbc news has reached out to kavanaugh though we have not heard back. kavanaugh also declined to answer questions from the "new york times." the "times" reports in part that the fbi did not interview 25 people who may have had corroborating evidence about an incident two fbi agents found to be credible. senator kamala harris and julian castro are calling for congress to impeach kavanaugh.

>> whether you are looking at the impeachment of donald trump or anybody else, that mitch mcconnell and his republican buddies in the senate are not likely to lift a finger. what happened with this cavanaukavanaugh process is tha are completely undermining our democratic process. i want to know at this point why did the fbi not follow up on all of these leads that they had, they didn't lift a finger to investigate it. and if they brought -- they did some of the information to the attention of some of the republican senators, why didn't those centesenators saying any. >> and ted cruz says it is time to move on a year after kavanaugh's wrenching confirmation hearing. >> at the end of the day the american people made a judgment that the evidence wasn't there, the corroboration wasn't there and i think this article just shows the obsession with the far left to try to smear justice kavanaugh. at some point they have to let

the anger go. >> it was not the american people, it was the senate. that said, two democratic senators say they are not ready to support impeaching kavanaugh, but they are criticizing the con fish nati confirmation process. >> if he lied to the committee, that is pretty serious allegation and people can be impeached for that. i'm not going to it that point. i haven't seen all the details. but this was in-e69 inevitable. >> and my concern was that the process was a sham. i don't think that you can look at impeachment hearings without getting the documents that the house would have to get the documents and the attorney general is shielding documents. >> let's bring in kim perfectly kimberly atkins and jeff mason. when this investigation was going on duringperfectly kimberly atkins and jeff mason. when this investigation was going on during, we were told it

would be quick but comprehensive. and we're now seeing reports that the fbi did not follow up on skins dozens of leads. what do you know about this? >> that was a concern expressed by democrats at the time of the hearing that the investigation was not as thorough as it needed to be once these allegations su surfaced. recall brett kavanaugh had to be brought back for a second round of hearing where he testified along with one of the accusers dr. blaz blasey ford. and that is where it centered. and there were other allegations similar to this new one about his behavior at a party in yale that was not -- those were sort of cast aside and not really seen as the central part of this inquiry. so now what we're seeing is this idea -- impeachment is

difficult, but the democrats who are pushing for there are basing it on this claim that he lied under oath, that he committed perjury in his testimony. i think that it will depend rightly as the senator said about what information, what documentation might be produced to say that, but i think that it is pretty safe that regardless of the legal process, politically this is going to be a big issue that is going to be taken up by both sides. we've seen the president vehemently defending brett kavanaugh as he has throughout this saying that we not only see the president as sort of a kindred spirit and also now somebody facing the call for impeachment and has denied it. so that sort of creates an ally in him and then you see the democrats on the other side putting this forward saying this is a matter of believing women who accuse someone powerful of misconduct and it also brings the supreme court back into the

2020 fold when we're talking about issues in this election. so it is an explosive development regardless of whether the justice faces any real legal peril. >> what do they do with this now, jeff, can it be reopened? >> well, i think number one it will be reopened in the court of public opinion. and that is what good journalism does and the "new york times" reporting has done that and gotten candidates to start talking about it. i think that it gives the democrats a chance also to elevate the cause of the supreme court. looking forward, if president trump and republicans win a second term in office, that could have a monumental impact on the supreme court going forward. right now it is 5-4 with conservatives to liberals, but president trump would very possibly have a chance to name a couple other supreme court nominees in a second term. so you don't hear the democrats talking about that that often and maybe this will give them a chance to do that.

as far as the actual concern about justice kavanaugh, look, i mean i think that they will talk about it and clearly you have presidential candidates calling for impeachment. it brings the story alive. whether that will actually happen, i mean it is a tricky road once he is actually on the court. >> and you bring that point up and there were just a few moments ago we all heard some of the calls for kavanaugh to be impeached. but what exactly would that process look like? >> it would be very similar to what we would see in a presidential impeachment process. the house, house of representatives, would have to put forward some sort of charge of impeachment against the justice. and then the decider would be the senate, the members of the senate. we have already seen the senate act as essentially judge and jury on these types of claims i.

and it is a high bar to meet to try to get him actually removed from office particularly since it involves claims that are so similar to the ones that were put before him in his confirmation process. so i think that the likelihood of that is stuff. despite the fact that you had one dam who voted in favor of his confirmation, closest confirmation vote in history, and you had republicans who really struggled and some either voted not to -- they didn't all vote to confirm him. susan collins did. this will be a big issue for her. she is running for re-election too. and i'm sure this is news that she probably isn't thrilled that is coming to the forerig right . >> and so as yyou mentioned, th president was defending kavanaugh. let's look at miss htweets. now the radical left democrats and their partner talking loudly

about their favorite word, impeachment. they want to scare him into turning liberal. brett kavanaugh should start suing people if libel. the lies are unbelievable, false accusations. when does it stop. they are trying to influence his opinions. can't let that happen. how much, jeff, is at stake for the president on this? >> well, it is part of his legacy, the fact that brett kavanaugh is on the court and kimberly was rightly raising earlier there are similarities between the accusations that both men have faced. so bringing that back into the forefront isn't necessarily in president trump's interests either. but in terms of what is at stake broadly, i think one of the things that he is doing with that tweet is again that same playbook of trying toized and i energized by the supreme court. even people who weren't

necessarily natural supporters of donald trump ended up going with him in 2016 because of 9 relevance of that open seat on the supreme court. and that is something that he knows well, he has spoken about that. and so him taking this opportunity right now to sort of get people ginned up about the recording and about the controversy again over kavanaugh is probably keeping -- he is doing that with an eye toward 2020 and keeping that topic at the forefront of voters' minds. >> both of you stay where you are. we'll switch topics because i want to talk now about joe biden wrapping up a speech on race and it comes on the anniversary of the 16th street baptist church bombing that claimed the lives of information young girls on september a 15th, 1963. and here is some of the highlights. >> for so many the family members here today, this is not

a symbolic loss. that transfixed the world and inspired the whole nation. it is personal. and even 56 years later, it is tragic. no realization of the american dream without grappling with the original sin of slavery. charlottesville. when i saw those torches, when i heard those chants, and saw the hate on the march, i knew like all of you, all these i had hoped it would never happen again, i knew like all of you that hate was on the marnlch. it was a defining moment for all of us and ththat our silence is complicity. hate is on the rise again. we're at a defining moment again in american history. who are we? what do we want to be?

i say it again 2k5itoday, we ar the battle for the soul of america. those of us who are white try, but we can never fully understand no matter how hard we try. we are almost at this next phase of progress in my view. it is hard work, but there is almost 330 americans, i know there is nothing that we can't accomplish if we stand together. >> joining me now, mike memoli there in birmingham for us. what were the main takeaways from this speech and the mood of the crowd as they were listening to him? >> reporter: for the biden campaign, this was an important moment for them to continue building on the foundational message of his candidacy. remember of course he talked about charlottesville and the battle for the soul of america. you remember the speech he gave just a month ago in august after

the tragedy in el paso really laying at the feet of donald trump this idea that his own rhetoric has given rise to the same kind of white supremacy and domestic terror that we've seen throughout the nation's history. and today his idea was to broaden it out, to have a conversation with historical sweep. he talked about what he said were these before and after moments. of course 56 years ago today, that bombing that took the lives of four young girls, a searing moment, but one that also paved the way for the civil rights movement and the civil rights act that came just a year later. and now he says this is another defining moment for this country. let's take a listen to more of what the vice president had to say. >> domestic terrorism is antagonist of our highest ideals from before the founding of this country. lynch mobs, arsonists,

bombmaker, lone gunmen. and as we all now realize, this violence does not live in the past. >> reporter: of course we can't separate this from the campaign context. he is of course in the midst of a presidential campaign. and you see the pair doradopara. he does enjoy good will with older african-american voters. he got a standing ovation, being warmly received by the audience today. but he has been tripped up time and time again by some of his own comments about race. and you heard him talk about how him as a white person,s as much as he try, he doesn't fully understand the plight of the racism in this country. >> mike memoli, thank you so much so th much. back with kimberly and jeff. kim, what did you make of his remarks?

>> we've seen joe biden demonstrate his ability to connect with people within the black community and i think 2k5id's speech w today's speech was an example of that. he does have strong support within the black community, it makes up a big part of the polling that shows him as t frontrunner at this time. he is well liked within the african-american community and that is a plus for him in his campaign. in contrast, you have not only some comments that he made in the past, but policies that lot of people particularly younger people have a lot of questions about. his authorship of the crime bill from the '90s that led to a large amount of overincarceration according to a lot of studies that were done subsequently. his relationship with segregationists and even in this last debate, he got a question about school desegregation and he sort of gave this rambling

answer about social workers and the need for parents to get help raising their children in their home. and we all laughed about the record player, but he was really saying something that puzzled a lot of people on the policy. so there are these two competing aspects of his candidacy that makes it unclear to know if he can really value ggalvanize the community to come out and vote the way they need to. >> and i'm curious how the white house is looking at all of this given the perceived gaffes and mishaps there biden. >> i think that the white house and more specifically donald trump he trump's campaign sees a lot of material there, and no doubt material that they will which flight. donald trump has done that already since the democratic race started. and i think that he will continue to do that. more broadly though, listening to vice president talk about those issues reminded me of his kickoff speech and that speech took on donald trump very

directly in a way that in the last few months the vice president has had to be defending his record against fellow democrats. this seemed to be a little bit more of a general election strategy again and going back to some of the themes that he would use can if he does become the nominee and themes where voters see some weaknesses with president as well. >> all right. thank you both so much. good to see you. a drone strike in saudi arabia at a crucial oil production facility and the u.s. says iran is ultimately responsible. what it means for the tense relationship between tehran and washington. and some democrats say they want texas to turn blue you. frsz to turn blue you. frsz ♪

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secretary pompeo made clear that the iranian regime is responsible for this attack on infrastructure vital to our global energy supply and we won't stand for that. in fact our department of energy stands ready to tap into the strategic reserve if we must. >> that is kellyanne conway doubling down on secretary of state mike pompeo's claim that iran is to blame for the fire attack on a major oilfield in saudi arabia yesterday. sarah far than harman is joinin more. tehran is hitting back pretty

hard. what more do we know? >> reporter: that's right, pretty hard indeed. iran's foreign minister saying that secretary pompeo failed at max pressure and now turning to max deceit, his words. he says that the u.s. is stuck in yemen because the illusion that weapons superiority will lead to military victory. according to the houthi rebel, it was ten drones, relatively inexpensive technology, that september the two ifnptembent t flames. and so the world's largest processing facility and the damage significant enough to reduce oil output by about 5 million barrels a kday, 5% of te world's supply. of course they have strategic reserves, but it won't last

forever. you mentioned the u.s. say they will tap into reserves as well if necessary. and this could potentially be part of a coordinated global release and bridge a gap in production. but again, not forever. so the question is, how long is output going to be reduced. analysts i spoke to say regardless of what happens with these reserves, gas prices might be going up for the american consumer, maybe by as much as 15 to 25 cents a gallon in part because the market is now going to have to recognize that large oil facilities are vulnerable to these kinds of drone attacks which are inexpensive, easy to launch and could unleash a whole new level of chaos in the region. >> oh, boy. sarah harman, thank you. let's discuss this foreign policy challenge with democrat from washington and member of the intelligence committee. republican senator lindsey graham is calling for an attack on oil refineries after this

attack. what do you think the administration should do? >> i think that we better be clear that there are two potential consequences of what just happened. both of which are pretty darn ugly. first is a recession and the second is a war. but let's talk about first the recession. recessions are wrought about by events like 9/11, recessions are brought with frankly by interest rate shocks when the frefsh is overly eager to slow the growth of the economy. recessions are brought about by resource shocks, that is exactly what this is. and recessions are brought about by tariff wars and we're involved in one of those already. but the resource shock that this may bring to forth in fact is pretty similar to what was laid out earlier. saudi arabia produces about 10% of the world's oil and half of their capacity has been eliminated. that could in fact be the kind of influence on the economy that could tip us into a world recession. we export oil now. we export fossil fuel.

but that doesn't mean that the world economy isn't suffer from it. so the second potential consequence is war. and the fact of the matter is that we're in a particularly vulnerable time for this to occur. remember we have an acting director of national intelligence, we have an acting national security adviser. and we have a brand new secretary of defense. so we're not really especially postured and set up to take on the crisis. what do we need to do? that was really your question. the first is we need to get the facts. we don't really have them. secretary of state pompeo has suggested that these strikes came from iran. that is a plausible at certification but we don't haat assertion, but we don't have the facts yet. and we need to get our own house in order. and we need to figure out what a coalition of the willing and our allies would be partner to helping us deal with this. because no one country will is solve about by themselves. >> we need to have the facts all figured out before any

retribution is figured out. all right. congressman, let's move on to the reported resurfacing if you will of allegations of sexual misconduct against brett kavanaugh. "new york times" reporting that the fbi just didn't follow up on dozens of leads and it mirrors reporting by nbc news i'll add here. let's listen to what kavanaugh said under oath about a year ago. >> ms. ramirez's allegations about you true? >> those are not. she -- none 69 witnesses of the room support that. if that had happened, that would have been the talk of campus in our fresh themen dorm. >> and castro and harris suggest that he should be impeached. should the focus be on why the fbi didn't follow up on two dozen or so leads? >> well, as a historical point

of fact, it is interesting to note that president clinton was impeached for a lot less than what is being asserted here. i think that most serious among all of this is the prospect that the department of justice did not do their job and did not commit the -- perform the investigation that they were obligated to during the confirmation process which clearly was a bit after a sham. and that in and of itself bears investigation. but look, the truth of the matter is there were considerable credible allegations against mr. kavanaugh during the confirmation process, not as many as have been made against president trump nor as con te contemporaneo contemporaneous, but a significant number of credible allegations asserted. and the senate chose to reject them. and there is really little reason to believe that they would do anything other than that at this time. perhaps a more constructive use of our time frankly would be to pray for the good health of

justice ruth bader ginsburg. >> i think a lot of us do that on a daily basis. i do want to pivot and pick up on what former attorney general eric holder has laid out and why he thinks that president trump could face prosecution after he leaves office. here is what he said. >> i don't think there is any question about that. we already have an indictment in the southern district of new york. relative to the payoffs. michael cohen is already in jail with regard to his role there. individual one is the president. and it would seem to me that the next attorney general, next president, is going to have to make a determination. >> you publicly supported impeachment after the mueller hearings. do you have any fears that indicting donald trump after he leaves office would rip this country apart? >> alex, to answer the question about what the next attorney general should do is to assume

certain facts that clearly haven't been tedeveloped yet. we don't know what course the impeachment inquiry will take, what articles of impeachment will be advanced and we don't know whether donald trump will win re-election. but at each of those steps including the charging decision which will be made by the department of justice, not the congress, i think that the important operating principal o ought to be the rule of law. that is what we must stand for and pay the costs associated with it. because that is what we are bui built along. that principal is more important than any short term political division that we may go through. >> congressman, well said. thank you, my friend. appreciate it. president trump called him my african-american, but now he says that he has had enough. i'll ask gregory cheadle why he is no longer supporting the president and his plans to run for congress, next.

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look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? >> the man that then candidate was talking about is gregory cheadle. but now he's left the gop to run as an independent for congress. he's run four times before as a republican. but why the turnaround? he cites the president's white superiority complex. joining me now is the man himself, sgrgregory cheadle. sir, thank you for being here. the president's record on race is pretty grab then and only gotten worse. why did it take you three years to break from the republican party? >> it didn't take three years to necessarily break. we've had this battle from the beginning. i wrote the president and told him if he had a good record with blacks, he would have my

support. but you know, i'm one to get into trying to make a difference, i'm not one to maintain the status quo. and the more i try to make a difference, the more resistance i was met with. so it finally got to the point that i realized no matter what i did, this party was determined to keep doing what it wanted to do and not meet the needs of blacks and the poor. so i had to leave it. >> you can tell me what you meant when the told the "washington post" that the president has a white superiority complex, does that mean that you think the president is a racist or white supremacist? >> for me, racism was always part of the problem with respect to hatred and violence. and now racism has taken on a meaning that has been diluted. when you have the white superiority complex, that is saying in effect that that is a problem whereas racism is a symptom. so when you have a white superiority complex as evidenced

by his cabinet, as evidenced by the white house interns, as evidenced by the people in his organizations on the executive level, you won't find any blacks. so that is what i'm saying. and that is far of more of a problem than racism per se. the white superiority complex is deep and pervasive and that must be dealt with. >> and the president was asked but this week and he says he doesn't know who you are and then he repeated what he often says, that african-american and his pan you cpanic unemployment. what would you tell the president? >> first of all, blacks are the only group that will not be allowed special opportunity. you know, we had affirmative action some years ago. white women benefited from that. we have programs that benefit the hispanics, programs that benefit gays, programs that benefit handicapped. but when it comes to benefiting blacks, all of a sudden, no, we

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new shifts in immigration processes. the top immigration official cuccinelli touting a district new limitation on asylum applications after the supreme court temporarily okayed the administration's refusal to consider asylum requests from people who haven't applied in another country while traveling to the united states. the restriction has gone into effect as legal challengers work their way through the low he courts. here is director cuccinelli. >> it will be a deterrent for some people particularly those who were going to be coming and claiming what are clearly false asylum claims. people -- remember, asylum is about safety. we do want people to be safe. and the reality is america is

the most generous country in the world on this front. but we have to deal with the crisis we're facing down there. >> and joining me now, john callaway, victoria de-francisco, and also carlos cabreracabrera. welcome all. asylum applicants who you want to see the trump administration going after. is that who you want them to go after and with this approach? >> alex, so i'm the child of people who came to the united states as refugees so this is something i'm very sensitive to. and it is okay and a good idea for congress to revisit asylum policy, to find a way forward. i'm sure that there is common sense changes that can be made. what the american people don't want is a cruel policy that turns away people who are in desperate need that sends the

message that the united states isn't even open to accepting refugees, people fleeing from difficult situations. here in south florida right now, we're struggling with the administration's decision with regards to the bahamas. those are our neighbor, those islands were destroyed by the storm that went through there just a couple weeks ago. and the administration is saying that they are essentially going to do nothing in terms of immigration relief for bahamians. so okay to have a debate, not cruel to have a policy -- not okay to have a policy that is cruel and turns away people in desperate needs. >> so you are opposed to the position on bahamians. >> certainly. i think that temporary protective status is a natural step for the people of the bahamas. that is what the law was intended to do, to help people this these situations. >> so victoria, director cuccinelli said that putting this in place is a deterrent for people coming from particularly the central american countries. he is talking about honeabout he

will salvadore, guatemala. does it really deter people? >> what has happened over the pa week with the supreme court's ruling means that essentially we have beanned central american asylum claims to the united states because what this at minute straight difference rule sa administrative rule said that it could keep going on, that folks first had to get and seek asylu administrative rule said that it could keep going on, that folks first had to get and seek asylum and be kdeny asylum. but both mexico and guatemala, two countries which you have to go through to get to the united states, said we won't participate in this. so the folks, the central american asylum seekers really have no legal avenue. and it is not going to deter them back to your original

question. these people have their backs up you against the wall as a result of violence, of the terrible situations in their country. they are fleeing because of their lives. and they are going to seek safety whether it is through the legal process of asylum or illegally trying to cross the border. so it has been a monumental week. >> and this comes amid a pretty big backlash, level of cruelty over the administration eliminating another legal provision, this would allow temporary deferrals and puts them critically ill imglanlt mi at risk of losing medical treatment. officials are saying that we're reconsidering the denials and looking at the path forward, but they haven't provided any answers yet. so what is the holdup and do you take that as a bad sign that they haven't figured it out yet? >> well, they don't intend to figure it out. congressman was correct when he pointed out the cruelty.

the trump immigration policy is to impose the great he is amoesf cruelty. and he is talking about overall the immigration policies have entirely targeted immigrants from latin america, from the middle east and the muslim related countries and perhaps even the caribbean this week with the decision about the bahamians. certainly lower income immigrants when we talk about those who need health care immunity here in the united states. but let's be clear. the president has not gone to corporations and said let's check and see if their visas are up-to-date. let's me go to the ivy league universities and say you know what, let me see if all of your students here from canada and england and germany and asia, let me see if their viva eiva i up-to-date and expel them en

masse if they are not legal to be here. of course his policies are cruel, but they are disproportionately targeted at immigrants of color and that is who the president wants to eliminate. so you can't have it without tying to the pure racism that defines this administration. >> and ted cruz says that the state of texas will be hotly contested in 2020. he said if we lose text, it as, game over. what do you think, victoria? >> i think this at we are inchi blue. and republicans are scared. >> and i think that it will depend on who the democratic nominee is if democrats nominate someone who can appeal to centrist voters, who a lot of voters in states like texas see as a reasonable alternative to the president. then states like texas are in play if they go with a hard left, liberal, i think it will

be much more difficult for democrats to win in states like texas. however this administration with some of these policies keeps pushing suburban voters away from the republican party and obviously those votes only go to one place, the other party. >> and last word from you, don. >> both of my colleagues are correct. democratic party is doing remark only work. they know what is coming. but i will say texasconian vote suppression deal and if we want to do anything, it won't do anything how many voters they get to come out because republicans still have the system rig theed to majorities this congress. >> all right. thank you all. hidden side of climate change and you are cribbing to it every day. we have ebb sight next.

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while several signs of climate change are indeed playing out in front of our eyes. it shows products we use every day, netflix or a cashmere sweater are contributing to it. joining me is a climate journalist and author of the new book inconspicuous consumption, the environment am impact you don't know you have, welcome. >> i will tell people, it's a scary book. >> i know. >> you compiled all these statistics. you are like, well, wait a minute, i'm a part of this. >> right. >> talk about the title and what it means there so i wanted to write a book "inconspicuous consumption" that speaks to the little things that we don't think connect to this global problem and kind of connect each one of us through the stuff we use, buy, eat and wear and get around to this larger global problem and the lives of people in different parts of the world. i also wanted to write a book, this is a serious and scary

problem and i wouldn't want to write a book that made it seem that way. i tried to write it in a way to make people engaged than scare and anxious like they wanted to go hide from it all. >> listen, you can be scared and anxious, it's ginormous. literally the way the planet seems to be imploding on itself and will not have the sustainable reourselves and everything to continue, right, that a lot of the problem. i looking to use examples. in this book you talk about cashmere sweaters and how governments in mongolia are affected, how the land is affected. can you just explain that? i found that to be incredibly eye opening? >> i wasn't planing on writing about cashmere, a woman with sustainable clothing says you have to. cashmere comes from the hair of goats, they mainly live in mongolia and china, which is an area experiencing climate change

than the rest of the world. the rest of the world warmed 1 degree fahrenheit on argue, moen goia has warmed 4 degrees on average. in addition to that there are all these goat there is and because of some geopolitical dynamics and patterns of consumption, there are many more goats than they used to be, because they eat plants. >> grazing. >> they eat the whole thing than nibbling at the top and have sharp hooves that brack up the soil which when the winds comes, spreads across the landscapes and adds deserts. it addss about a thousand square miles of deserts every year. >> wow. >> it is amazing, somehow it doesn't end there. so the winds blow that sand east to beijing and other parts of china, more industrial parts of china. it combines with soot from factories and coal-fired power plants and adds to pollution there. in the spring about five days ends up on the west coast of the united states and adds to air

pollution there. so at least one additional day of ozone pollution above federal limits. in california, it can be attributed to dust from dhoen. >> again you made this point, i about blew my mind, what, the cashmere sweater i got? >> right. >> how do we combat this? we hold environmental companies available. you have to step up? >> the argument i am waik make secretary yes our sweaters, whatever else it is connects to this problem. it's really much bicker than that. each one of us, we're not going to solve it by buying one cashmere sweater a year, this will take systemic change on a global level that has to come from governments putting regulations in place and corporations doing mo more to have sustainable practices and lessen their impact overall. >> the book is "inconspicuous

consumption." it's very well written, you can read a chapter, sit back, do what you can do about it and go on. best of luck with the book. >> thank you so much for haing me. >> joe biden speaks out about race, whether he hurt or helped himself at the top of the hour. himself at the top of the hour ♪ so i can buy from

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