2030. it therefore seems conceivable that mike pence in his role as white house liaison to the space force may inform his boss it needs to be pushed back. that's it for this week. good night from our nbc news headquarters in new york. thank you, all of you at home for joining us this hour. if you follow the news in the current political era then you know that every day is a treadmill of breaking stories that just continue to accelerate in speed throughout the day. and by this time every evening we're sprinting to keep up, we are like, doc, please, turn it off, now. and just in the last few hours, we have gotten brand new, astonishing reporting about a phone call between the president

of the united states and the president of the ukraine. it is at the center of a whistleblower complaint filed by a member of the intelligence community. it started a week ago when the chair of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff, revealed that the inspector general received a whistleblower complaint. the inspector general had deemed the complaint both credible and urgent. but donald trump's director of national intelligence was refusing to share it with congress as required by law. something congressman schiff said had never happened before. a few days ago we got the first inkling of why. the "washington post" was the first to report that it concerned his communications with a foreign leader including a promise that was regarded as something so troubling that it prompted an official in the u.s. intelligence community to file the complaint. yesterday it was reported that the complaint had something to

do with trump and ukraine. the intersection of donald trump and ukraine raises a lot of troubling implications. which we'll get to later in the show. but almost immediately, people's attention turned to a phone call that trump had with the president of the ukraine a couple of weeks before the whistleblower complaint was filed. "that call is already under investigation by house democrats examining whether or not trump and his attorney sought to manipulate the ukrainian government into helping trump's re-election campaign by digging up dirt on joe biden. all while trump was holding up $250 million in military aid to ukraine. after that news broke last night, rudy giuliani made a colorful appearance on cnn. he denied asking officials to

investigate joe biden, and then he admitted that he did. giuliani said that if trump pressured ukraine, that would have been totally fine. or certainly no worse than terrible things that joe biden did anyway, right? it's all a giant deep state conspira conspiracy. but apparently he recovered enough to speak with a ukrainian businessman who is helping him dig for dirt on joe biden in the ukraine. he was spotted at the trump hotel in washington. anyway, sure enough the scenario so heavily foreshadowed by giuliani begin breaking across one news outlet after another after another. president trump in a july phone call repeatedly pressured the president of ukraine to investigate joe biden's son. urging ukraine's leader about eight times to work with giuliani on a probe that could

hamper his potential 2020 opponent. he reported that is at the center of the complaint that the trump administration is now withholding from congress. "the new york times" quickly matched that recording going only so far as to describe that phone call as part of the complaint. nbc news confirmed only that the complaint concerns a call that trump had with a foreign leader. it is also important to note that all of the reports today from the journal, the post, and the times, they all say that the president did not discuss the military aide to the ukraine being held up at that time. "questions have emerged about whether mr. trump's push for an inquiry was behind a hold on military aid for ukraine." they suspended the aid in early

july. mr. trump did not discuss the aide in the july 25 call. and kiev did not learn of the suspension until august. so, yes, as the times says, questions have emerged. we know the white house held up military aid that is intended to help ukraine stand up to russia. we have reports today that the u.s. president pressured ukraine to investigate a political rival. the question now, the question that reporters are furiously fitting into, is whether anything connects those two ideas. this is what senator chris murphy talked to andrea mitchell today. >> giuliani said he is trying to

get the ukraiians to meddle in the 2020 election. he says he had no intent to do that but he was very concerned about why the security aid was being cut off and even if there wasn't this explicit promise, if you investigate biden, we'll give you your aid, that certainly was the impression. they could not help but connect these demands they were getting, and the sudden surprising cut off of security aid. >> that scenario is scary and repugnant on its own terms no matter who the president is and no matter what country he is allegedly putting the screws on. and the ukraine is not just any country. they are at the center of the events that defined the trump presidency. it feels like we cannot understand the full scope of

this story without acknowledging the context of this year. back in 2014, ukraine was in chaos. protests designed to force out the democratic leader, who had gotten there with the help of paul manafort. they are closer to russia, and further from nato and was forced to flee the country. the ouster freaked russia out so much, putin decided to actually invade ukraine. ukraine is the largest country in europe, after russia. it has a more than 1,000-mile border, sitting right between russia and western europe. then putin seizes crimea on the

black sea. it is the first time since world war ii that the borders of a country in europe were changed by outside military forces. in response, waging a low grade war, western nations led by the united states under president barack obama took steps to punish russia. there were strict new sanctions against the russian oil and gas industry that really hurt the country's fragile economy. eventually scuttling what would have been a very lucrative deal with exxon-mobil. the g-8 countries decided to become the g-7. kicking russia out. all of that happened after russia invaded ukraine in 2014 under president obama. vladimir putin really, really, really wanted those sanctions lifted.

they were really painful, really hurting him politically at home. which is a problem. even if you prevent anyone else from running against you, you can only hold on to power for so long if your economy is in the tank and your people blame you for it. one of the things that we learned from open source reporting, and then from the mueller report, just about every notable contact that the russians made with the trump campaign and the trump transition was about sanctions. the tower meeting between donald trump jr. and the kremlin connected lawyer, mike flynn's phone calls with the russian ambassador which he pleaded guilty to lying about, those were about sanctions. a secret so-called ukrainian peace plan, they were reportedly hand delivered to michael flynn at the white house, that was also basically just a plan to

lift sanctions on russia. the mysterious meeting that happened between eric prince and the head of a russian sovereign wealth fund. that was a meeting about russian sanctions. mike flynn's plan to build nuclear power plants around the mideast, it was also a plan, wait for it, to get rid of sanctions. and who should pop up again but paul manafort, now running donald trump's campaign after a yearslong career working for the ukrainian political party that wanted to bring ukraine closer to russia. and bringing ukraine closer to russia is the key here. it is the flip side of the sanctions coin. the sanctions on russia are about ukraine. if ukraine stops fighting with russia or if the united states decides they no longer care if russia invaded ukraine, that is the path that leads to the

sanctions being dropped. now just generally, america's posture toward the ukraine is all about russia and putin. a strong, independent, well supported, well funded ukraine is a good partner is standing up to putin. a ukraine that does not have good relations with the united states is what putin would prefer. and all of that, that is the necessary context for understanding what it means that this whistleblower complaint scandal may center on trump's communications with ukraine. because this pressure that donald trump is reportedly putting on ukraine to dig up dirt on his political rivals comes at the same time that he appears to be trying to reverse all of the measures that the united states took starting in 2014 to punish russia for invading ukraine. we have seen trump repeatedly ask for russia to be put back in the g-7.

even though the reason they were kicked out in the first place was ukraine. and what russia is doing has not changed at all. we saw trump block the delivery of that military aid that is meant to help russia to stand up to russia and only release the aid under bipartisan congressional pressure. they are also shoring up defenses against russia, an initiative that started by the obama administration. trump is using that money for his border wall instead. to the extent that putin wants things from donald trump, those things all in some way or another connect to ukraine. dropping sanctions, getting back into the g-8, blocking money or webs going to support ukraine,

and, yes, the whistleblower complaint in the intelligence community, that trump is trying to get a foreign leader to do his dirty work for him, that is upsetting on his own terms. but the foundational scandal of this president, donald trump's relationship to russia. joining me now is the former russian ambassador. always great to talk to you. >> thank you for having me. >> can we go back? this ukraine part. people think a lot about russia and donald trump's strange relationship with russia. can you talk a little bit about russia's sort of obsession with undoing what president obama did with europe together to sanction them for invading crimea. >> i thought you just did an excellent job, that was a great contextual way to put that in a bigger context. i think it's really important to understand that. absolutely, the things they did are things that vladimir putin

has been trying to roll back ever since it happened. sanctions, support for nato, and support for ukraine. those are the three. we know they've been trying to lift sanctions through various ways. it is part of the reason he supported candidate trump in 2016. we know that they want to push back on that assistance to nato and you rightly pointed out that president trump himself has now done that, and then this third piece of support for ukraine. i was one of the people that gave credit to the trump administration for not only sustaining military support for the ukraine, but they went further than the administration i worked in, they provided lethal assistance. i gave them credit for that. that's why this is such an ironic, tragic twist, the one thing i think president trump did right with russia, he's

trying to trade for personal gain. but the bigger context is important, all of these things. and on every front, president trump has been pulling back. >> can you draw a line, i still recall in the campaign, in the convention in cleveland, the one change made to the republican platform, that was also made to ukraine, pulling back. you add that to the disdain and the distaste for angela merkel and the other members of nato, this was all one big rubik's cube that fits together in some way? >> yes, and i'm glad you brought that up. allegedly paul manafort was behind that change, taking out giving lethal assistance to the ukraine. the policy overrode the president. his policy team in the very

beginning, they said, no, we have to go forward with this. but there has been attention from the very beginning between president trump and his national security team with respect to ukraine and russia. here i see the president using one of those things as a chit to try to help him for something very personal and this is not, i want to underscore, not in america's national interest to have the president of the united states to be trading things for his own personal gain. >> we know that other than the fact that he is a former stand-up comedian, this new leader of ukraine, where does he fall on this meter of being closer at trying to be closer to russia? could donald trump have to actually get him, if he were amenable to interfere in the election and hurt one of donald trump's opponents? >> without question, he leans

towards europe, democracy, and free markets. by the way, the things that republicans also used to support. that's another paradox here. this is a pivotal moment in ukrainian history where they may actually break through to move towards democracy. and that is why when the president of the united states, instead of embracing that, instead of saying we support you 100%, he says instead i want to do this little trade with you, the little kind of the trades we have been telling the ukrainians to stop doing for years if not decades, it sends a very bad signal, and even if the military assistance was not directly connected as a quid pro quo to investigate the vice president's son, remember the united states is the biggest, most important country in the free world. and that in and of itself creates leverage. he can't just dismiss a request from the president of the united states.

and i just think it is a terrible tragedy for american national interests. leaving out the legality and criminality, i'll leave that to people more expert than i. this is not the way to conduct foreign policy. >> thank you so much, appreciate your time tonight. >> sure, thank you for having me. >> thank you. more on this next, including what all the intrigue means for the whistleblower who came forward. stay right there.

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if you had any doubt how high the stakes are for the whistleblower, last night rachel put a super fine, chilling point on it. >> somewhere out there right now in america is a whistleblower from the intelligence community. who has gone through channels and done things by the book. and sought whistleblower protection under the law to alert congress in good faith about a serious and urgent

matter that reportedly involves the president, and some sort of promise he's made to foreign leaders and some shenanigans involving the nation of ukraine. bit by bit it is coming to the surface and hour by hour the trump administration seems to be fixing its crosshairs on the whistleblower. >> we still do not know any identity of the whistleblower. but whistleblower protection act is supposed to protect them. the acting director for national intelligence had them point out how seriously they took the effort to protect lawful whistleblowers from retaliation. saying they will not permit the complainant to be subject to any

retaliation. the inspector general michael atkinson said yeah, but that's not usually the way it goes. they were previously available to whistleblowers in the complainant's situation. the white house was consulted about how to handle this complaint. the president says that he doesn't know who the whistleblower is, he hears it's a highly partisan person. so, how much jeopardy is this whistleblower taking on? can congress offer any protection? in terms of the president leaning on ukraine to investigate a political rival, does anything stand in his way? matt, great to see you tonight. as i have been watching adam schiff on rachel maddow and

talking with other reporters, the question i have is, can't congress protect this person? there is a law in place that is supposed to protect them, but that is not being followed right now. the law that is supposed to take this complaint straight to congress. is there anyone to protect this person? >> no, not really. if the president decides to retaliate it is tough for congress to do anything. you can't just fire someone without cause in the federal government, and presumably this is a civil service member. though it could be a political appointee. you can't fire someone without cause. that is not the only way a whistleblower can be retaliated. i think when you have the president attack the whistleblower publicly the way he did today, with the attack that they are highly partisan,

it sends a signal of what he thinks about this person. you don't have to look too far into the past to see how the bureaucracy has behaved. when the president has attacked others. look at the justice department where he attacked andy mccabe and all of the people gone now. one of them will be prosecuted in the coming weeks. i would hope that dni would protect me, and also congress, but that's also very difficult to do. >> donald trump did of course attack this whistleblower calling them highly partisan and saying he doesn't know who it is. he also attacked congressman adam schiff. do you have confidence that, first of all, this whole situation should not have been taken to the white house, but it was. do you trust that no one has given donald trump access to this information? giving up this person's identity? and do you trust william barr not to be the instrument of

retaliation and to prosecute this person if their identity becomes known? >> no, i don't have any confidence in any of those questions or issues being handled appropriately. the dni was not supposed to take this to the justice department or to the white house. if he did, at the end of the day, he should have followed the statute and taken it to congress within seven days. he has not done that. there's no reason for the white house counsel to be involved in this. we have seen the way bill barr handled the mueller investigation. he is there to protect the president first and foremost. you know, look, if everything was being handled by the normal, the way things were normally handled you would not have these concerns.

you see the process not being followed the way it is supposed to be. and the way it's always been followed in the past, but you look at the people who are involved. they are the same people, bill barr, and the white house counsel, that are obstructing congress in other areas. you can see where they have obstructed over and over. the other reports of misconduct by the president and you see them doing it here and there is a good reason you should have no faith either in why they're making the decisions they are, or that ultimately they will prevent any kind of retaliation by the president against the whistleblower. >> and a couple tweets to point out, you said if trump was promising action in exchange this, that is a high crime. and you also wrote that he's telling the world he will abuse the levers of government in any way possible to get re-elected.

is it doubly troubling for you that he is not being stopped? he seems to have so undermined or corrupted the elements of government within the executive branch that no one is willing to stop him and the judicial branch is stalled in a pre-impeachment period? >> yeah, it is deeply concerning. >> legislative, sorry. >> any normal person would look at the experience of the last few years, the mueller investigation, the outcome of that, and one take away you would have is i should not be seeking assistance from a foreign government. the lesson that trump took is i took assistance from a foreign government in the last election. i tried to obstruct the investigation into it and i got away with it. why should i not do it again? there is a pattern here. if you think about the next 14 months until the election, you see him trying to abuse the levers of government to help himself get re-elected. it is not just here. look at the reporting that the

"washington post" did about the border wall. he diverted money, and he reached out in the process and told people to ignore eminent domain laws. he said if you break the law, i will pardon you, and you're seeing a president that will use every lever of government, and feels complete i unconstrained by rules and law. if you think -- you know we still have over a year to go until the election. it is a very, very dangerous time and there is no oversight that can fix it, no judicial means to stop him. the only way is through impeachment, and this puts the onus in front of the house of representatives. >> and they say that he can't be investigated. it is generally not what happens in the united states. matt miller, thank you, we appreciate your time.

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for a lot of democrats in 2020, there is a growing frustration with the party establishment. specifically with the seeming reluctance to back impeaching trump.

at the same time the frustration that polls continue to show the most established candidate, joe biden, remains firmly in the lead. today those two stories sort of merged. the leadership in the house that said what is standing between them and impeaching the president is conservative democrats who are against impeaching trump. if you can imagine a sale being made to those conservative democrats, something that might move them on impeachment, you would think the obvious pick is national security. now we have a national security story that involves the potential next direct nominee, joe biden. the "wall street journal" is reporting that trump pushed the ukrainian president to investigate his son eight times in just one phone call. biden is also the source of anxiety among younger democrats. they feel that even when there is nothing be found in the

trump/giuliani dumpster dive, biden just might be the most target-rich environment for trump in 2020 given his long history in politics. and that democrats may not know how to prevent a repeat of 2016, with biden playing the role of hillary clinton and her emails. we also got the news that there is one less person in the race for president. new york city mayor bill deblasio launched his campaign in may saying he did got get enough traction to pick up speed in the race. he did not manage to meet the polling or fund-raising threshold to make the last debate, and would not make the one in october, either. something that he acknowledged today. out of the more than 20 candidates, 5 had left the race before him. you know how we do it here. five, four, three, two, one -- poof.

mayor bill de blasio, thanks for playing. poof. >> now you are getting me started, poof. >> the way they get me is because i love rachel and i get to do a poof, it's a huge incentive, it's like a bonus, so let's talk about both of these concerns. the impeachment fight is, in a sense, it is stalling momentum for democrats in 2020. a lot of the base of the parties is just frustrated it isn't happening. nancy has to count the votes and she may not have it. national security feels like maybe it could get her closer. >> yeah, i don't know how any lawmaker can't look at this and, it clearly seems to be, that it continued to reveal every hour when we learn something new that

he called the ukraine president to ask that president to, eight times, to try to help him investigate hunter biden to help him with his re-election. and i don't know how you don't hear that or look at that and not think we need to move forward with impeachment. not even an inquiry, but an impeachment. we're beyond that. but they're so stuck on procedure. they're not doing anything, and i'm being kind, they're muddling the strategy and the message and they're not making sense and they're not acting and it is infuriating. he continues to do this because it is not effective and republicans are being silent.

why do you think donald trump continues to do this? because what democrats are doing is not effective, and republicans are being silent. >> you're from moveon.org. one of the great grassroots organizations. at some point would it make sense for them to start turning to the conservative and moderate democrats refusing to move on impeachment. saying to them, you're a national security democrat, you claim that's a top thing for you. where are you on the president of the united states asking for help from a foreign country? >> i think that is what a lot of these candidates in these red districts, running for re-election, might have a general election from the other side, or these senators in these vulnerable democratic senators that are running, or going after the vulnerable republicans. colorado, north carolina, and maine, i think they should be asking those questions.

where is the party of patriotism? i thought you cared about national security? because they're being silent, those republicans, that means they're not caring about the things that republicans care about. so i think that's right. i think that's one way to go. but also it's like we have to make sure democrats act. there is a reason they were given, in the house, the majority is to act in part, to hold this president accountable and they're just not doing that. >> on the other part of this, that is the other thing that i hear out in the world and i don't know if you do as well. people are concerned that, yes, people like joe biden, he is one of the most likable candidates. but there is a lot there that could be real, or not even real. we learned with senator clinton, secretary clinton, it doesn't matter if it's not true. as long as donald trump can

paint his opponent as being as bad and corrupt, he levels out and he can use that to win again. >> donald trump will do anything to win, right? he's going to not follow the rues, doesn't care about the rule of law. he is calling on the president of the ukraine to help him out with his race. and that's incredibly dangerous. he's going to do that with any candidate. it doesn't matter if it's biden. whoever is the nominee this is what donald trump will do. he will do what he did in 2016 which is raise the negatives of his opponent. it is going to be a gutter, lowest of the lows, type of election that donald trump is going to run. so what democrats have to figure out is how do we, like, how do they really compete? what is it? is it the contrast? you don't want to get in the gutter but you to show that he doesn't care about our democracy. he's abusing his power, obstr t

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air and missile defense. we will also work to accelerate the work of military development to the uae to enhance their ability to defend themselves. >> as for how many troops will be sent to the region, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff called it a moderate deployment. >> i will talk to centcom over the weekend, we'll talk with our saudi partners and we'll work on the details of deployment. >> there has been no decision on a specific number? >> we have no decision on specific units, the capabilities will enhance their air and missile defense. >> and troop numbers? >> i would say a moderate deployment. more details for you next week, but not ready to share the details. >> not thousands, thousands would be not moderate. >> that's fair to say, not thousands. >> not thousands. but an unspecified number of american troop that's will be going to saudi arabia and the uae. tonight's news about troop deployment follows other news from the department of defense about the money that the trump administration cut.

it was from the pentagon budget, the trump administration raided $3.6 billion from the 2019 construction budget to pay for a wall. you know, the one that mexico was supposed to pay for. a full half of the $3.6 billion in pentagon money, it is being diverted for military projects ranging from upgrading military training facilities. the pentagon has warned of the dire consequences of this decision including the potentially hazardous living conditions for troops and families as a result of this reallocated funding. but now it turns out that the president is not done taking money from the military for his wall. as "the washington post" reports

today trump officials are considering a plan to divert billions in additional funds for trump's border wall. trump's wall will require over $18 billion in funding through 2020, far more than the administration has publicly disclosed. so how do they plan to make up for this new funding shortfall? if lawmakers refuse to allocate more funding, they plan to dip into the pentagon's construction budget for the second consecutive year to get another $3.6 billion. the post reports this was discussed last week by trump's son-in-law jared kushner. if the administration carries out the plan, the white house will have defied congress to divert a total of $7.2 billion in aid. the white house is proposing to double the funding cutting to u.s. military bases overseas and

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her parents tried to dissuade her. none of her classmates wanted to join her. even members of parliament said they agreed that her protest had merit, but she shouldn't be playing hooky. to be honest, she was fairly used to being alone. she was a painfully introverted 15-year-old. at the time she said she was that girl in the back who doesn't say anything. i thought i couldn't make a difference. but eventually, she wasn't alone. the movement spread so far and wide, mass demonstrations by students in germany and belgium. she was invited to davos,

switzerland with her sign and this message. >> adults say we owe it to the young people to give them hope. but i don't want your hope. i don't want you to be hopeful. i want you to panic. i want you to feel the fear i feel every day. and then i want you to act. i want you to act as if you would in a crisis. i want you to act as if the house was on fire. because it is. >> i want you to act as if the house is on fire, because it is. that speech is part of what has catapulted greta thunberg onto the national stage. ahead of the upcoming u.n. climate summit, she decided to bring her message to this country. a few weeks ago she set sail on a solar-powered boat in order to lesson her carbon footprint. in the last week, she's joined

protests outside of the white house, has testified before congress, and has met with former president barack obama. turned out that was just a warm-up for the main event. today millions of kids and teens in more than 150 countries joined greta's call and skipped school to demand action on climate change. in germany, more than 1.4 million took to the streets with over 100,000 demonstrating in berlin. hundreds of thousands marched in australia making it one of the largest protests in that country's history. in mumbai stood in the rain. in tanzania, marching bands cleared the way for kids carrying signs through the streets. in warsaw, rio, l.a., the message was there is no planet "b." there were protests in tiny islands in the south pacific as well as scientific outposts in antarctica. and in this country, kids took

part in protests in all 50 states, including in new york city where it's estimated over a quarter of a million turned up. she was there at the center, the young woman who once thought she was too small to change anything is changing the entire conversation. more ahead tonight. stay with us. ♪ (dramatic orchestra) performance comes in lots of flavors.

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bird. it has a bib thing going in the shape of a black "v." and also a yellow tummy. they're striking not only for their look but their sound. if you're not familiar with these fellows, it might be because a lot of them have gone missing. not just the this bird, also the warblers and the blackbirds and swallows according to a brand-new study from bird experts this week. 3 billion birds have disappeared from north america in the last five decades. since 1970 the numbers of birds in the united states and canada has declined by 29% which is a huge problem. birds just don't look pretty and fly, and i know not all of them fly, but the point is they can be the linchpin for the entire ecosystem. common birds control pests, pollinate flowers, spread seeds, and help forests grow. when these birds disappear, the habitats they helped build start to fall apart. researchers think the habitat

loss and the use of pesticides are partly to blame for the 3 billion birds that have disappeared. because of the scale of this problem, 3 billion birds going poof, like actual poof. so yeah, there's a new thing to worry about. this is for the birds. that does it for us tonight. see you here tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. for "a.m. joy." now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> it's much sooner than i'm used to. joy, thank you very much. get some rest. 12 hours from now we'll see you. >> ha ha, rest. i'll watch your show. >> see you on msnbc. >> thank you. >> thank you, joy. with each passing hour today we learned more about the conversation that president trump is now calling a beautiful conversation. it might also have been a criminal conversation according to some democrats. many of whom are now saying it might have been an impeachable conversation. it is the conversation president