maddow starts now with joy reid in for rachel. good evening. >> i don't know you can hear me, but that was cool. that was a cool show. thank you. thank you for doing that. >> i learned a lot from it, thank you very much. >> i texted my kids, this is their issue, climate. thank you all of you at home for joining us this hour. if you follow the news in the current political era than you know that every day is a treadmill of breaking stories and by this time every evening we're trying to sprint to keep up, we have gotten brand new, astonishing reporting about a phone call between the president of the united states and the president of the ukraine.

it is at the center of a wristle blower complaint filed by a member of the intelligence community. it started a week ago when the chair of the house intelligence adam schiff revealed that the inspector general received a whistle-blower complaint. and he deemed the complaint credible and urgent, but donald trump's director of national intelligence was refusing to share it with dock as required by law. something congressman schiff said had never happened before. a few days ago we got the first inkling of why. it concerned his communications with a foreign leader including a promise that was regarded as something so troubling that it prompted an official in the u.s. intelligence community to file the complaint. yesterday it was reported that the complaint had something to do with trump and ukraine.

the intersection of donald trump and ukraine raises a lot of implications. people's attention turned to a phone call that trump had with the president of the ukraine a couple of weeks before the wristle blower complaint was filed. "that call is already under investigation by house democrats examining whether or not trump and his attorney sought to manipulate the ukrainian government into helping trump's reelection campaign by digging up dirt on joe biden. all while trump was holding up $250 million in military aide to the ukraine. after that news broke last night, rudy giuliani made a colorful appearance on cnn. he denied asking officials to investigation joe bide p, and then he admitted that he did. giuliani said that if trump pressured ukraine, that would

have been totally fine. but it was apparently he recovered enough to speak with a ukrainian businessman who is helping him dig for dirt on joe biden in the ukraine. anyway, sure enough the scenarios so heavily overshadowed by giuliani begin breaking across one news outlet after another after another. the wall street journal at the first report. president trump in a july phone call repeatedly pressured the president of ukraine to

investigate joe biden's son. urging ukraine's leader about eight times to work with juliani on a probe that could hamper his potential opponents. he reported that is at the center of the complaint that the trump administration is now withholding from the law in violation of congress. the "new york times" quickly matched that recording going only so far as two describe that phone call as part of the clant. nbc news confirmed only that the complaint concerns a call that trump had with a foreign leader. it is also important to note that all of the reports today from the journal, the post, and the times, they all say that the president did not discuss the military aide to the ukraine being held up at that time.

questions have emerged about whether mr. trump's push for an quire ri was behind a hold on the military aide for the ukraine. they suspended the aide in early july. mr. trump did not discuss the aide in the july 25 call. so yes, as the times says, questions have emerged. we know the white house held up military aid that is intended to help the ukraine stand up with russia. we have reports that the president pressured ukraine to have a political rival. the question now, the question that reporters were furiously fitting into, whether or not that is an explanation or not, the effect may be the same. that is what they told andrea mitchell today.

>> giuliani said he is trying to get the ukrainians to meddle. he says he had no intent to do that but he was very concerned about why the security aide was being cut off and even if there was not this explicit promise, that was certainly the impression. they could not help but connect these demands they were getting, and the sudden surprising cut off of security haid. >> that scenario is scary and repugnant on it's own terms no matter who the president is and what country he is putting the screws on. the ukraine is not just any country. they are at the center of the events a. they gave us this presidency in the first place. it feels like we cannot do the full scope of this story without acknowledging the context of

this year. ukraine informs chaos. protests designed to force out the democratic leader. the protests turned a full-on revolution. the leader was pushing them closer to russia and further from nato was forced to flee the country. russia out so much. ukraine is the largest country in europe after russia. it has more than a 1,000 mile border with russia and it sits right between russia and western europe. right after protesters tossed out their putin allied president, putin seized crimea. it is the first time since world war two since the borders of a

country in europe were changed by outside military forces. in response, waging a low grade war, western nations lead by the united states under president barack obama took steps to punish russia. there were strict new sanctions against the oil and gas industry that really hurt the country's fragile economy. it could have been a lucrative deal. the g 8 countries decided to become the g 7. the u.s. congress passed a military action. vladimir putin really, really, really wanted those sanctions lifted. they were really painful, really hurting him politically at home. which is a problem.

even if you prevent anyone else from running against you, you can only hold on to power for so long if your economy is in the tank and your people blame you for it. then from the mueller report, every notable contact the trump campaign had was at sanctions. the tower meeting between donald trump junior and the kremlin connected lawyer, mike flynn's phone calls with the russian ambassador which he pleaded guilty about, those were about sanctions. a secret ukrainian peace plan, they were reportedly hand delivering to michael flynn at

the white house, that was also basically just a plan to lift sanctions on russia. the mysterious meeting that happened between eric prince and the head of a russian fund. they tried to build nuclear power plants all over the middle east was also a plan, wait for it, to get rid of sanctions. and who should pop up again but paul manafort now running donald trump's campaign after a year's long career working for the ukrainian political party that wanted to bring ukraine closer to russia. and bringing ukraine closer to russia is the key here if is the flip side of the sanctions coin. the sanctions on russia are about ukraine. if ukraine stops fighting with

russia or the united states decides they no longer care if russia invaded ukraine, that is the path that leads to the sanctions being dropped. now just generally america's posture toward the ukraine is all about russia and putin. a strong independent well supported well funded ukraine is a good partner is standing up to putin. a ukraine that does not have good relations with the united states is what putin would prefer. all of that, that is the necessary context for understanding what it means that this complaint scandal may center on trump's communications with ukraine. because this pressure that donald trump is reportedly putting on ukraine, to dig up dirt on his political rivals comes at the same time that he appears to be trying to reverse all of the measures that the united states took starting in 2014 to punish russia for invading ukraine.

we have seen trump repeatedly ask for russia to be put back in the g 7. and what russia is doing has not changed at all. we saw trump block the delivery of that military aid that is meant to help russia to stand up to russia and only release the aide under bipartisan pressure. they are also shoring up defenses against russia, an initiative that started against the administration. trump is using that money for his border wall instead. those things almost all insome way or another connect to ukraine. dropping sanctions, getting back into the g 8, blocking money or webs going to support yew cane, and yes, the whistle-blower complaint in the intelligence community, that trump is trying to get a foreign leader to do his dirty work for him, that is upsetting on his own terms

but it can't be separated from the foundational scandal of the presidency. joining me now is the former russian ambassador. always great to talk to you. >> thank you for having me. >> can we go back? this ukraine part. . can you talk about russia's obsession of undoing what president obama did with university together to sanction them? >>. >> i thought you just did an excellent job, that is a great contextual way to put that in a bigger paragraph.

absolutely, the things they did are things that vladimir putin is trying to roll back ever since it happened. it is sanctions, support for nato, and support for ukraine. they are trying to lift sanctions, it is part of the reason he supported candidate trump in 2016. we know that they want to push back on that assistance to nato and you rightly pointed out that president trump himself has now done that, and then this third piece is a port for ukraine. i was one of the people that gave credit to the trump administration that is sustaining support for the campaign, but they went even further. they provided lethal assistance and i gave them credit for that. that is why this is sufficient an ironic tragic twist that the one thing that i think president trump did right vis-a-vis russia he is now using to trade for something for his personal gain.

but the bigger context is important, all of these things. and on every front, president trump has been pulling back. >> ken, you draw a line, i still recall in the campaign, in the convention in cleveland, the one change made to the republican platform was pulled back. you add that to the distan and the distaste for angela merkel and the other members of nato, this was all one big rubix cube that fits together in some way? >> yes, and i'm glad you brought that up. i allegedly -- paul manafort was behind that change, taking out

giving lethal assistance to the ukraine. the policy overroad the president. they said no we have to go forward with this. but there has been tension from the beginning between president trump and his national security team. with respect to ukraine and russia. here i see the president using one of those things as a chip to try to help him for something very personal and this is not, i want to underscore, not in america's national interest to have the president of the united states betraying things. >> we know that other than the fact that he is a former standup comedian, what way does he fall

on this meter of being closer at trying to be closer to russia or trying to be closer to russia. could donald trump have to actually get him, if he were amenable to interfere in the election and hurt one of donald trump's elections. >> he also has a brand new parliament that was just elected, and this is a moment, a pivotal moment in ukrainian history where they might breakthrough to move this way and that is why when the president of the united states, instead of embracing that, instead of saying we support you 100%, he says instead i want to do this little trade with you, the little kind of the trades we have been telling the ukrainians to stop doing for years or deck tads sends a very bad signal, and even if the military assistance was not directly connected as a quid pro quo to investigate the vice president's

son, remember the united states is the biggest most important country in the free world. and that in and of itself creates leverage. he can't just dismiss a request from the president of the united states. and i just think it is a terrible tragedy for american national interests. ily leave it to people more expert than i. this is not the way to conduct foreign policy. thank you so much, appreciate your time tonight. >> sure, thank you for having me. >> more on this next, including what all of the intrigue means for the whistle lower that came forward, stay right there. it has three times the cleaning power of the leading spray to dissolve kitchen grease on contact. and it's great for bathrooms! just keep pumping the power nozzle to release a continuous burst of mist and make quick work of big jobs. it even works on stainless steel. it cuts through 100% of dirt, grease and grime. available with easy-to-swap refills. to get three times the cleaning power, try clean freak from mr. clean.

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if you had any doubt about the whistle-blower, last night right here, rachael put a super fine chilling point on it. >> somewhere out there right now in america is a whistle-blower from the intelligence community. who has gone through channels and done things by the book. it is a serious and urgent matter that reportedly involves the president.

his communications with foreign leaders, some sort of promise that he has made to foreign leaders and reportedly some shenanigans with the ukraine. bit by bit it is coming to the surface and hour by hour the trump administration seems to be fixing their cross hairs on the whistle-blower. >> we still do not know anything about the identity of the whistle blower in this case. but we do know that retaliation is a real concern. the act is supposed to protect them from that. the acting director for national intelligence had them point out how seriously they took the effort to protect lawful whistle-blowers. promising that the intelligence chief will not permit the complainant to be subject to any retaliation or adverse consequence. so basically, trust us. nothing will happen to the whistle blower. everything is fine. to which the intelligence

community inspector general michael atkinson that, yeah, but that's not the way it usually goes. it not what was previously available to whistle blowers in the complainant's situation. they were consulted about how to handle this complaint he "hears" that it is a highly partisan person. how much jeopardy has this whistle blower taken on? can another branch of government like congress offer any protection? in terms of the president leaning on ukraine to investigate a political rival does anything stand in his way. matt, great to have you with us today. so that is the question as i

have been watching adam schiff on rachel maddow and talking with others, can't congress protect this person? there is a law in place that is supposed to protect them, but that is not being followed right now. the law that is supposed to take this complaint straight to congress. is there anyone to protect this person? >> not really. if the president decides to retaliate it is tough for congress to do something. you can't fire someone without cause. that is not the only way a whistle-blower can be retaliated they can be denied promotions, see their job dry up. i think when you have the president attack the whistle-blower publicly the way

he did today, with the attack that is t is highly partisan, it sends a signal of what he thinks about this person. you don't have to look too far into the past to see how the bureaucracy has behaved. look at the justice didn't where he attacked andy mcgabe and all of the people gone now. one of them will be prosecuted in the coming weeks. it is ultimately very tough. >> donald trump did of course attack this whistle-blower calling them highly partisan and saying they don't know who it is. he also attacked congressman adam schiff. do you have confidence that, first of all, this whole situation should not have been taken to the white house, but it was, do you trust that no one has given donald trump access to this information? giving up this person's

identity, and do you trust william barr not to be the instrument of retaliation and to prosecute this person. >> i don't have any confidence in any of those questions or questions being handled. the dni was not supposed to take this to the justice department or to the white house. if he did at the end of the day, he should have followed the statute. within the seven days as it called for him to do, he has not done that. and i think you have to have real concerns about whether or not the president's council is involved in this. there is no reason the white house council should be involved in this. you have the justice department giving forth advice. we have seen the way bill barr handled the mueller investigation. he is there to protect the president first and foremost. you know, look, if everything was being handled by the normal -- the way things were

normally handled you would not have these concerns. you see the process not being followed the way it is supposed to be. then you have to look at the people involved. they are the same people bill barr, and the white house council, that are obstructing congress in other areas. you can see where they have obstructed it over and over. the other reports of misconduct by the president and you see them doing it here and there is a good reason you should have no faith either in why they're making the decisions they are, or that ultimately they will prevent any kind of retaliation by the president against the whistle-blower. >> and a couple tweets to point out to you, you said if trump was promising action in exchange this, that is a high crime. looking the other way just encourages him to keep at it. he said that he will abuse them in every possible way to get reelected. is it doubly troubling for you that he is not being stopped?

he seems to have so undermined or corrupted the elements of government within the executive branch that no one is willing to stop him and the judicial branch is stalled in a pre-impeachment period? >> yeah, it is deeply concerning. any normal person would look at the experience of the last few years, the mueller investigation, the outcome of that, and one take away you would have is i should not be seeking assistance from a foreign government. donald trump seems to have taken the opposite lesson. the lesson that he took is i took is, i got assistance from a foreign government in the last election. i tried to obstruct the investigation into it and i got away with it. why should i not do it again. there is a pattern here. if you think about the next 14 months, we see him trying to abuse the levers of government here to benefit his campaign,

help himself get reelected. it is not just here. look at the reporting that the washington post did about the border wall. he diverted money, and he reached out in the process and told people to seize eminent domain laws. he said to ignore the federal contracting rules. he said if you break the law, i will pardon you, and you're seeing a president that will use every lever of government, and feels completely unconstrained by rules and law and he doesn't think anyone can stop him. if you think -- you know we still have over a year to go until the election. it is a very, very dangerous time and there is no oversight that can fix it, no judicial means, the only way is through impeachment, and this puts the onus front and center. >> and they say that he can't be investigated. there is a government in the world that operates that way. it's called an autocracy.

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for a lot of democrats in 2020, there is a growing frustration with the party establishment. specifically the reluctance to back impeaching trump. at the same time that polls continue to show the most

established candidate, joe biden, remains firmly in the lead. today those two stories sort of merged. the leadership in the house sort of merged, that what is standing between them and impeaching this president are conservative democrats who are against impeaching donald trump. if you can imagine a sale being made to those conservative democrats, something that might move them on impeachment, you would think the pick is national security. now we have a national security story that involves the potential next democratic nominee, joe biden. trump pushed the ukrainian president to investigate his son eight times in just one phone call. biden is also the source of anxiety among younger democrats. they feel that even when there is nothing be found in the trump giuliani dumpster dive, biden

just might be the most target rich environment for trump in 2020 given his long history in politics. and that they may not know how to respond. to prevent a repeat of 2016 with biden and hillary clinton and her emails. but all of that unfolded today. we also got the news that there is one less person in the race for president. new york city major bill deblasio launched his campaign in may saying he did got get enough traction to pick up speed in the race. he did not manage to neat polling or fundraising effort to get into the last debate and he wouldn't make it into the october debate ever. something he acknowledged today when he officially ended his run for president. out of the more than 20 candidates, five left the race before him and today he became the sixth to go. you know how we do it here. five, four, three, two, one -- poof. major deblasio --

thanks for playing. >> joining us now, the chief public affairs officer at moveon.org. >> now you are getting me started, poof, the way they get in is because i love rachel and i get to do a poof, it's a huge incentive, it's like a bonus, so let's talk about both of these concerns. the impeachment fight is, in a sense, it is stalling momentum for democrats, a lot of the base of the party is just frustrated that it's not happening. nancy has to count the votes and she may not have it. national security feels like maybe it could get her closer. >> yeah, i don't know how any lawmaker regardless of which side of the aisle you sit in, that you don't look what happened this week with donald trump clearly, it seems to be, as the stories of the "wall street journal," the "new york times," continue to reveal,

every hour when we learn something new that he called the ukraine president to ask that president to eight times to try to help him investigate hunter biden to help him with his election. basically, a political opponent. and i don't know how you don't hear that or look at that and not think we need to move forward with impeachment. not even impeachment. inquiry. we're beyond that. impeachment. but they're so stuck on procedure. they're not doing anything, and i'm being kind, they're muddling the strategy and the message and they're not making sense and they're not acting and it is infewer rating for many people. and they heard from their constituency. so they are losing the argument. and what they are doing is ineffective and we have to put the blame on republicans because

they're silent and enabling him. why do you think he continues to do this, donald trump? he continues to do this because what the democrats are doing is not effective and republicans are being silent. >> you're from one of the great grassroots organizations. at some point would it make sense for them to start turning to the conservative and moderate democrats refusing to move on impeachment. you're a national security democrat. you're the one that claims that national security is the right thing for you? where are you on the president of the united states asking for help from a foreign country? >> i think that is what a lot of these candidates in these red districts, running for reelection might have a general election from the other side, or these senators in these as a vulnerable senators that are running or going after the republicans colorado, north carolina and maine, i think they should be

asking those questions. where's the party of patriotism? i thought she cared about national security and because they're being silent, that means they're not caring about the things that republicans care about so i think that is one way to go, but also we have to make sure that democrats act. there is a reason they were given in the house, the majority is to act in part. to hold this president accountable and they're just not doing that. >> on the other part of this, that is the other thing that i hear out in the world and i don't know if you do as well. people are concerned that yes, people like joe biden, he is one of the most likable candidates. there's a lot there that could be real or not even real. we learned with secretary clinton, it doesn't matter if it is true. as long as donald trump can paint is opponent as being as bad and corrupt, he levels out and he can use that to win again.

>> so one thing we are learning and this is very much a are pete of 2016, donald trump will do anything to win, right? he doesn't care about the rule of law. he is calling on the president of the ukraine to help him out with his race. that's incredibly dangerous. he will do it with any candidate. it doesn't matter if it is biden. whoever is the nominee this is what donald trump will do. he will do what he did in 2016 which is raise the negatives of his opponent. it is going to be a gutter, lowest of the lows, type of election that donald trump is going to run. so what democrats have to figure out is how do we, like how do they really compete. what is it? contrast? you don't want to get in the gutter but you to show that he doesn't care about our democracy. look what he is doing. he is obstructing congress.

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we will also work to accelerate the work of military development to the uae to enhance their ability to defend themselves. >> as for how many troops will be sent to the region, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff called it a moderate deployment. >> i will talk to them over the weekend, we'll talk with our saudi partners and we'll work the details of deployment. >> there has been no decision on a specific number? >> we have no decision on specific units, the capabilities will enhance their air and missile defense. >> i would say a moderate deployment. more numbers for you next week, but not ready to share the details. >> not thousands, thousands would be not moderate. >> not thousands, but an unspecified number of american troops will be going to saudi arabia and the uae.

tonight's news about troop deployment follows other news from the department of defense about the money that the trump administration cut. they raided $3.6 billion from the pentagon's 2019 military construction project to pay for a wall. you know, the one that mexico was supposed to pay for. a full half of the $3.6 billion in penn money is being diverted from military projects, ranging from upgrading military projects to upgrading military training facilities. the pentagon has warned of the dire consequences of this decision including the potentially hazardous conditions for troops and families as a result of this reallocated funding. now it turns out that the president is not done taking money from the military for his wall. as the washington post reports today they're considering a plan to divert billions in additional funds for trump's border wall.

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in august 2018, greta thunberg decided she was going to not go to school and instead sit outside the swedish parliament and demand action on climate change. so greta painted a sign on an old piece of wood that said school strike for climate. and off she went.

at first greta didn't have a lot of support. her parents tried to dissuade her. none of her classmates wanted to join her. even members of parliament said they said her protest has merit but she really should not go playing hooky. to be honest, she was fairly used to being alone. she was a painfully introverted 15-year-old. at the time, she said nothing was happening in my life. i was always the girl in the back who doesn't say anything. i thought i couldn't make a difference because i was too small. despite feeling that way, she kept showing up at parliament with her sign. she showed up every day for three weeks in order to raise awareness about climate change. eventually she was not alone. people started joining her. the movement spread so far and wide, students staged demonstrations in germany, switzerland, and belgium. by january of this year, greta was invited to speak at the world economic forum in davos, switzerland. she arrived with her sign and this message.

>> adults keep saying we owe it to the young people to give them hope. but i don't want your hope . i don't want you to be hopeful. i want you to panic. i want you to feel the fear i feel every day. and then i want you to act. i want you to act as if you would in a crisis. i want you to act as of the house was on fire. because it is. >> i want to act as if the house is on fire, because it is. that speech is part of what had catapulted greta thunberg on to the national stage. ahead of the the u.n. climate summit, she decided to bring her message to this country. a few weeks ago she set sail on a solar-powered boat in order to lessen her carbon footprint preparing to come here that way.

>> in the last week she joined protests outside the white house, testified before congress and has met with former president barack obama. turned out that was just a warm-up for the main event. today millions of kids and teens in more than 150 countries joined greta's call and skipped school to demand action on climate change. in germany, more than 1.4 million took to the streets with 100,000 demonstrating in berlin. hundreds of thousands marched in australia making it one of the largest in that country's history. in mumbai, children stood in the rain chanting oxygen is free because of the trees. in tanzania, marching bands cleared the way for kids carrying signs through the streets. in warsaw, rio, l.a., the message was there is no planet b. there were protests in tiny islands in the south pacific as well as scientific outposts in antarctica. in this country, kids took part in protests all 50 states,

including in new york city where it's estimated over a quarter of a million turned up. greta chunberg was right there at the center of it all, a young whom who once thought she was too small to change anything is changing the entire conversation. more ahead tonight. stay with us. conversation more ahead tonight stay with us covering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. now no fruit is forbidden. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? great riches will find you when liberty mutual customizes your carn. insurance, so you only pay for what you need. wow. thanks, zoltar. how can i ever repay you? maybe you could free zoltar? thanks, lady. taxi! only pay for what you need.

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partly to blame for the 3 billion birds that have disappeared because of the scale of this problem, three billion birds went poof, and not election poof, but actual poof. researchers say stopping the apocalyptic decline would take a huge amount of effort. so yeah, there's a new thing to worry about. this is for the birds. that does it for us tonight. see you here tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. for "a.m. joy." now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. 15 seconds over. >> it's much sooner than i'm used to. joy, thank you very much. get some rest. 12 hours from now we'll see you. >> ha ha, rest. i'll watch your show. >> see you on msnbc. >> thank you. >> thank you, joy. with each passing hour today we learned more about the conversation that president trump is now calling a beautiful conversation. it might also have been a criminal conversation according to some democrats. many of whom are now saying it might have been an impeachable conversation.