india's prime minister, as well. this is ahead of the u.n. general assembly and amid the whie whistleblower scandal swirling around him. math may give us a clue as to why he is head today the two states. they have 56 electoral votes between them. in 2020 looming large, one state is a swing state and the other potentially turning into a purple state. two more 2020 numbers for you sure to upset the president. the nbc poll just out shows nearly 70% of voters dislike this president personally. 49% are uncomfortable with president trump as a presidential candidate. much more on the new polls ahead this hour for you. i want to start this hour with the allegations president trump sought foreign interference to hurt his presidential rival, joe biden. did he do that or did he not do that? first toos whether he talked to

biden. earlier today, the president suggested he did mention former vice president joe biden and his son hunter biden to the leader of ukraine in a phone call in july. the president insisted he did nothing wrong there and defended the behavior of his personal attorney rudy giuliani, as well. >> the conversation i had was largely congratulatory and largely the corruption taking place and largely the fact that we don't want our people like vice president biden and his son creating to the corruption already in the ukraine. pi would have no problem. rudy is a very straight shooter. rudy wants to see the same thing as a lot of other people. ukraine has had a tremendous

corruption problem. >> democrats took to the morning shows to voice their alarm as well as the need for congress to take action. >> i think if an american president is asking another foreign leader to interfere in an american election, then there has to be consequences. >> if the president of the united states is brown beating a foreign leader at the same time with holding vital military assistance ukraine needed to defend itself against russia, and trying to get dirt on his political opponent in a second campaign. >> let's get to our panel. let's start with this, if we can. what do we know about the whistleblower? what do we know about the president it appears changing a bit in terms of changing what he

has said with a foreign leader? >> we have seen this script play out before. rudy giuliani was on television on thursday essentially saying the same thing, admitting that he himself had spoken to leaders in the ukraine about joe biden and hunter biden. so they start off with a denial and come out and say maybe we did it, but it's not a bad thing. i think he called the conversation beautiful and warm and nice. so we don't know much about who the whistleblower is. someone from the intelligence agency heard the call and found it problematic. >> joyce, as we do hear the president now saying he did mention the vice president, the former vice president with the foreign leader, with a foreign leader, the leader of ukraine, what might that mean legally, if anything? >> well, i'm not sure i really understood anything that the president said there. it didn't feel like it was in full sentences, but the real take away is that we're well

past the seven-day period that the dni had to transfer this wise whistleblower's complaint to congress. really i'm saying congress because we the public aren't entitled to it. but congress, the house intelligence committee that congressman shif chairs should have that. and the problem with not having it is that we are all flying blind. so there is a need for a lot of investigation. anyone who is involved in improper conduct could potentially have some sort of criminal exposure, but that i think is sort of an emorfacility concept. what we're really concerned with here is the foundational notion. there is no way that the president of our country should be going to a foreign country seeking a criminal prosecution. he has the fbi for that and shouldn't be using a foreign country to influence our elections. so the issue for the president, for mike pence, for rudy giuliani, for anyone else who might have been involved is that

there needs to be full investigation by congress so the american people ultimately can understand exactly what happened here, because it's not right. >> big question here, quid pro quo. the president remarking on that. let's play a little bit of that sound. we get over to you, jill, after that. >> this whistleblower or whoever it was, you can't have that happen to a president of the united states. the conversation, by the way, was absolutely perfect. it was a beautiful, warm, nice conversation. there was no quid pro quo. there was nothing. it was a perfect conversation. >> driving forward, he is saying there is no quid pro quo here whether explicit or implicit. describe that for us in terms of any difference. >> the difference is clear. if he had said specifically, i will release the funding, the loan guarantees and military

support for you if you give me what i want, that's an explicit request. that is absolutely clear. but he doesn't have to say that. i was an organized crime prosecutor for many years. and they don't say things openly. people understand what they mean. and it's implicit in the power that the president has that when he asks for a favor, when he asks the foreign government to do something that was for his own personal election benefit, not for the benefit of us as americans, not for the security of our kaerlcountry, but for hi electoral power, then that's implied and just as clear and just as illegal. it is part of wrong doing. it is clearly an impeachable and serious offense. i think we need to really completely investigate it. and whoever is with holding the release of the complaint as joyce said, it's within seven

days of when he got the report that it should have been released to congress. he is interfering once again, stone walling the oversight by congress. and that has to stop. it's the same things as not obeying the law that says he shall turn over his tax returns when requested. he is thumbing his nose at congress. and that is a threat to democracy. >> rudy giuliani will have to face congress potentially as well as they are looking into his role. he was on sunday shows defending what he has said in the past. he has been on both sides of whether he did or did not bring up this very issue that we have been talking about. looking at the timeline, going back to april 2019 to september 12, how are we putting together giuliani's role today? the question was asked why is

rudy giuliani a personal attorney for the president of the united states undertaking what might be seen as foreign affairs work? >> right. that's the question. why was rudy giuliani speaking to people in ukraine on behalf of the president? he said i know if i do everything -- he said everything he did in ukraine the president knew about. he is there talking to ukraine about possibly investigating former vice president joe biden and hunter biden, why would a personal attorney for the president be doing that, if it is just diplomacy and foreign affairs? what it looks like. we don't know anything yet. it looks like some kind of collusion. >> some kind of collusion. over to you, joyce. >> well, some kind of collusion is actually really interesting, because the statute that we're looking at and the real outcome is congressional investigation and possibly impeachment.

if you want to talk about criminal law, the criminal statute everyone is talking about is the bribery statute. that's the one place during the mueller report in the criminal code that we saw the word collude use. it is actually a crime for an official to seek or accept something of value in exchange for taking an official action or colluding in the conspiracy to defraud the united states. it feels like we have come full circle and everything old is new again. >> i want to play another bit of sound for you. this is steve mnuchin asked about questions related to all of this. let's listen first. >> i don't understand. it's okay for donald trump jr. and eric trump to do business all over the world. it's okay for ivanka trump to have copy rights while president trump is president. while vice president biden was vice president, his son

shouldn't be able to do business dealings? >> let's talk about that question that jake tapper was asking. >> i think there was another thing that secretary mnuchin said that was just as troubling which is it would be totally improper to release the transcript of a conversation between two world leaders but they should be investigating the former vice president and his son. f that is simply wrong and shouldn't happen. and both kmernts are wcomments the mark. there are so many crimes that are potential. rudy giuliani could have violated the logan act. he also was conspiring with the president, and the president was conspiring with him skpmpt then there is the federal election laws which have pclearly been violated by asking for help from a foreign power. and what's interesting to note is right now there is not a quorum so they cannot take

action. did the republicans deliberately let that go unfilled, those spaces, so that they can't do anything about these criminal acts? i think we have a serious, serious thing and congress needs to focus on the whistleblower and the facts and getting the facts and enforcing the law that says that the dni must turn over the whistleblower's information. >> i just want to finish with the timeline. as we look at the events which may lead to many questions for this congress to look at all related to ukraine, the big one on this timeline is when the funds were then released to ukraine. and i guess if you are critical of this timeline, you would say bhie then it appears that under pressure that the administration may have decided to release the funds. what's next if you're that critic? >> i mean, you're looking at the fact that why after this

conversation, after we found out that there was in fact a whistleblower that military aid was released to ukraine. what was the president afraid of someone finding out? was he afraid of someone finding out that he was with holding military aid until he got something from the ukrainens about the biden's? these are all questions that the house will have to investigate. and it looks like that's something that nancy pelosi said today this is going to be if we can't get a copy of that complaint from the whistleblower, this is going to be a whole new stage in our investigation was i think a direct quote. does it mean impeachment? there are more democrats coloradoing for that today. >> all the way to the supreme court for this? >> it could go all the way to the supreme court. it's often said that that will take too much time and that the election will be over before then. during water gate, the supreme court acted on an ex peditious basis. it didn't take more than a few months.

for example, we subpoenaed tapes for the trial. and within a few months it had already been decided by the supreme court, released and the president had resigned. so we went from april to july. >> joyce, 15 seconds. is this check mate if it's after the election that this report is released? >> well, the whole point is for congress to get access to the report which they're entitled to. i think it may be tough to take this one to court, because the whistleblower provision doesn't permit for judicial review of decisions. we have the dni failing to take a ministerial action. once the inspector general determines that the report is urgent, it's supposed to go straight to congress. there may be some opportunity for congress to file a writ directing the dni to turn it over to them tlmpt may be a legal vehicle here.

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moines register poll. warren surging, though, seven points since june while biden went down three percentage points. bernie rounds out the top three with 11%. another whopper for you. in the latest poll also out, a record share of voters, 69%, say they do not like president trump personally regardless of how they feel about his policies. and about half of voters, 49%, say they feel very comfortable with his 2020 candidacy. trump and biden actually have something in common, a lack of voter confidence. nearly a third of voters say they have lost confidence in both of them. on the trail today joe biden in missouri. senator elizabeth warren was in michigan. next hour she and kamala harris are attending events in south carolina. senator bernie sanders is attending a rally in oklahoma. there are nine candidates in iowa. that's a day after the famed

steak fry. mayor pete buttigieg is on a bus tour there. joining us now in iowa following pete buttigieg. msnbc contributor and professor at the university of texas school of public affairs. and fellow at the hoover institution and former policy director to the mitt romney campaign. let's start with you, josh. what are we hearing in terms of the latest on the campaign trail? >> reporter: well, mayor pete buttigieg obviously dealing with a fourth place showing in that iowa poll, not perhaps the results he may have wanted. campaign officialvise been pointing to another part of the poll that shows among voters in iowa that have a view of pete buttigieg, he is -- he thinks a lot of favorability will start trarnzilating into more votes showing up in polls for him particularly as there are fewer and fewer candidates.

we talked to mayor buttigieg as he was ending a town hall. we asked him whether he thought that he should be concerned as a result of the poll results. let's take a listen to that. >> you don't want to read too much into one poll. we are clearly in the mix. being in the top four is a good place to be historically at this stage for the iowa race. the most important thing is one out of five voters say they have made up their mind. this is clearly very fluid and why we see such a great opportunity in reaching out to communities. >> reporter: mayor pete buttigieg not wasting any time in trying to win over more of the iowa voters. he's starting to spend some of the $25 million he raised just in three months earlier this year with a big bus tour. he is driving around iowa for four days this week with reporters in tow trying to reach

as many as he can. >> i want to get straight to the latest information for us. kbhaut do you think is happening with the democrats? elizabeth warren really paupg he -- popping here. >> i think clearly, there is a lot of of energy. i would say that investing in spending time in iowa is paying of . mitt romney got to all nine counties in iowa. that's a really important thing, being able to invest that time and really capitalizing on the energy and the progressive base. i think you're seeing warren and biden. >> this is not a progressive statd. why is she doing well? >> i think she is selling solutions. i think people in iowa want solutions. i think people are seeing that from her. and they are perceiving from her an energy. so i think for a variety of different reasons, she is really gaining traction not just in

iowa but other places. spending time and investing and getting to know voters makes a big difference. >> if you look at buttigieg and harris and booker who obviously has issues about fundraising right now. what does that say in terms of the moderate vote? because once those are released. let's figure that one or two will fall, does biden pop back up and come back to the surface? >> reporter: that's the critical question. we have been seeing biden's poll numbers flat even though we did see him fall into second place technically in the iowa poll. what happens to the buttigiegs? does cory booker stay in or stay out? what happens with the ukraine fiasco? does this bring biden down? does this elicit memory of swampy dirty politics or does this give biden a chance to break out and say president

trump is scared of me. i am the one to beat trump and is able to turn that into a way to bring democrats behind him and say i am the standard bearer to beat donald trump. he is at a fork in the road. it's a critical moment to see who the free agents go to after other folks drop out. >> booker, josh, as i was describing yesterday we reported, if you don't get the $1.7 million, we're out in nine days. >> and now he's saying that he has raised $300,000 in a day or so since making that claim. that's good. look. the problem that cory booker has is not that he needs $1.7 million. the problem is that people aren't donating to his campaign. they are not saying they plan to vote for him. that's a much longer, bigger issue that is really begging the question of whether he has a

future in this race. certainly, a lot of other candidates are looking to see whether this is going to be the decision time that starts to force a lot of these lower polling candidates out of the race and sharpen the focus of the race to the candidates that are really in the top tier. >> what does this say? nine days away and putting out the ultimatum, basically. is this much-needed? >> it is. we're also seeing talks about how the democratic national committee is going to winnow the field for the next couple of debates. the holidays are just around the corner. and just after that we have the start of the primary season. sk and if the goal is to beat donald trump for the democratic party, there can't be a do over of the bernie/hillary split going late into the campaign season. i think it will be critical for the democratic party to have one candidate coming out at least by

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right now, we're awaiting the president's arrival in ohio. they seem to be a little bit behind schedule. he is scheduled to tour the factory in the small town about 80 miles south of toledo. president trump will join australian prime minister scott morrison there two days after their state dinner friday at the white house. it's part of a busy sunday that started with the president defending himself on the whistleblower scandal in houston for a rally with indian prime minister modi. his day ends in new york as he prepares for this week's u.n.

general assembly. joining me now senior white house reporter for nbc news. shannon, why ohio? and why this plant specifically? it's obviously australian-owned. >> i'm certainly expecting to be spending a lot of time in ohio, michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin over the next 14 months or however long we have until november of 2020. the president really can't visit this state and other key swing states enough. it's all going to come down to those states as far as his campaign is concerned. this is one of the opportunities that he has an advantage as the incumbent to come someplace. there are about 300 jobs being added at this plant here in ohio. the owner, the company that owns the plant has committed to create 5,000 jobs in the u.s. over ten years. so it's giving the president an opportunity in a key swing state

to tout the economy and what he has done for jobs which is going to be at the center of his 2020 pitch. >> i want to bring you to our discussion. wall street journalist. let's get straight to this. as we see the president as he arrives and the meetings that he has had over the last several days, a lead up to the u.n. general assembly, right in front of him is iran. the issue here of what might be done next. are these sanctions going to work? >> obviously, the administration has been focussed on a maximum pressure campaign to bring the iranians to the table. obviously, their economy has been squeezed. they're feeling the effects of them. in terms of actionable change, we haven't seen that.

it's rr embold oenned them in some ways. they went off and were responsible for the attack on saudi oil facilities recently. the administration will continue this. that is the belief whether the iranians will change i think is a different question. >> there are arguments in terms of whether the sanctions are already maxed out, if you will. there is no more efficacy related. we are about to see more results based on the statements made by the president in terms of increasing sanctions. i want to move to you, ian. as we are looking at foreign affairs, the u.n. general assembly, iran in the middle of the conversation. obviously brought up by leaders in the west. not all, necessarily. >> no. well, i think there is concern about the extent to which the sanctions program will provoke more attacks from iran, how much iran is engaging.

i think there is a little more nuance to whether the sanctions are having an effect. >> what's the read? >> why are the iranians attacking the facilities? they are hurting. so they want to make the u.s. hurt and the global economy pay attention. they want to perhaps draw in president trump into a confrontation, a direct military confrontation and perhaps there are some within iran who are concerned that rouhani might meet president trump. so there is also the question about the sanctions working on dollar funding to the proxys. i think there has been fewer dollars floating around the region to fund operations for the yemenis in iraq and hezbollah. so there hasn't been the total behavioral change from tehran about pursuing nuclear weapons

or ballistic missiles. i think in the u.n., trump is going to try to present a case for sort of joint action. i think that joint action will probably fall on deaf ears at the security council where china and russia will use their veto power to sort of dissway the security council from moving together in coalition. at least trump can say that he went to the u.n. and said this is clearly iran posing a threat to the global economy hitting critical oil supplies. >> let's add something else and something we have all been reporting on here. this is the whistleblower involving the leader of ukraine and a former vice president. how will this read at the u.n. general assembly? tough to tell necessarily. you are in ohio with the president right now. it is certainly on the lips of many of the talking political

class. >> reporter: right. there is always this sort of under current of scandals and controversy going on with the president, whether he is here trying to promote jobs or going to the u.n. trying to look diplomatic and sort of promote his foreign policy agenda. we have this whistleblower and the conversations the president had with the ukrainian president. he is expected to meet with the ukrainian president and the official tlz. that will get sort of more fuel to that story. and the president is not backing away from it at all. he is saying he did nothing wrong in his conversations. he is not denying that he asked ukrainian officials to investigate biden. he almost went as far as confirming it today, saying he is pushing ukraine to look into corruption and used biden and the allegations against biden as examples for that. it all just fits into this

broader play book this president has developed for dealing with the scandals of deny, deflect and try to divert everyone's attention. >> the president has evolved his message over the weekend. we are understanding that just by what he said, i did bring up vice president joe biden in my conversations with the leader of ukraine as we have also seen some leaders in the republican party saying, we're not sure. but republicans a s have not st up in congress to say this report needs to come out. it is typically administratively what should happen but is not happening this time. >> mitt romney did today indicate that he thinks the facts need to come out. i think what a lot of republicans are saying is let's examine the whistleblower process and how we can get more protection for the whistleblowers to ensure that if the i.g. says this needs to be referred to congress, they can refer it to congress.

i think that's an area where you might find republicans seeking safe harbor. in terms of directly asking the president to release the transcript or asking the president for more on the conversation y doubt we will see that from republicans. >> we have seen this before. thank you so much. up next, a new study shows military veterans could be at a greater risk for developing dimentia and alzheimer's. deve dimentia and alzheimer's. so that early retirement we planned. it's going ok? great.

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this weekend recognizes world alzheimer's day. we wanted to focus on veterans. according to one study, veterans with traumatic brain injuries suffer from dimencha and alzheimer's at alarming rates. from iraq and afghanistan conflicts those who suffered a mild traumatic brain injury are up to three times more likely to get alzheimer's. veterans were diagnosed 25% faster than those who had not suffered from traumatic brain injury. joining us now is director of visiting angels and army veteran and owner, and professor of skyistry and neurology at the university of san francisco. university of california, san

francisco. i'm looking at the three x compared to others. that has to be alarming for many folks. why is this dynamic there? >> great question, richard. first of all, thank you. happy world alzheimer's day to you all. you know, we don't know exactly what's going on, but we know that having a traumatic brain injury increases one's risk of developing dimentia. we need to get to the bottom of why this is happening. i can tell you about some of the possibilities. >> what are some of the possibilities? >> well, one possibility is that by having a head injury, you are more vulnerable to the natural aging forces. another possibility is there is something actually about the twie tw

traumatic brain injury that leads to dementia. >> time, as you are out there and you as a veteran talking about alzheimer's with veterans, what have you learned in terms of that association, those numbers that i just described? they have to be shocking to you, as well. >> thanks for having us on. thank you so much for everything you have done over the years partnering with the alzheimer's association, of course, the many different veteran organization that you have. what we're seeing -- first of all, we own a visiting angels senior home care. it's a senior home care where we provide this beautiful care. one of the unique things we get to do different is we are a veterans affairs provider. we see a lot more vets than your average home care company. at one point we were up to 73% being veterans. what's neat about that or maybe not neat, but we get to see a larger sample. what we are noticing is our veterans are the ones really coming to us in larger numbers having the alzheimer's or

different forms of dementia. >> as we look at our veterans and as they go through this, you already want to take care of veteran whose are returning. then there is alzheimer's. >> correct. i am the director of coursing skm doing assessments with the clients. >> what do you see? do you visit with those that are veterans and have alzheimer's? what do you see? >> i do. i see the struggle that the families are having. and actually my great uncle actually passed away last year with alzheimer's. and he was a veteran, as well. so i see the families struggling with the veteran on a daily basis. ultimately, i want to help them out. that's why tim and i became a huge part of the alzheimer's association and to ultimately help out as much as possible. >> we thank you both for your

service. >> it's painful to see. we go in every day to these homes. every day, we see it again and again where the families are just torn apart. >> what do you tell them? >> well, first of all, the most important thing especially when dealing with dementia is to utilize the free resources that the alzheimer's association has out there. one of the best things we can give anybody listening who is battling with alzheimer's disease or at least a loved one is to go to alz.org. there is all kinds of free resources. and there is also an 800-number that is a hotline. as you know with your experience, there is free resources, free support groups. all of these local communities fund raise and the money goes back into the communities in addition to research. so a lot of that money comes back locally to help educate them on how to deal with a lot of this. if anybody is suffering at all, trying to figure out how to

handle it, go to the website and try to get ahold of somebody with the alzheimer's association. >> we're not talking about a small number here. we're talking about 350,000 according to the study. this number is quite large, and they're all at risk here. how do they offset that risk? >> great question. so one of the first things you want to do is try to prevent. we need to increase public health awareness oo avoid a prumatic brain injury if possible and to try to have time for recovery. but the other thing i think we need to do as a group is try to explain to our children and to everybody that what you do when you're young and middle age can affect your risk of dementia down the line. it's really a public health campaign to try to understand how to take care of your brain and prevent a lot of risk

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legal efforts. back now with us, joyce vance, jil jill wine-banks. jill, what can the democrats do to take something that's asymmetric, do something that's different that's outside of what appears to be that if you're a democrat right now, you're not going to get done what you'd like on the time frame you'd like. >> it is extremely frussintrati to everyone in congress and to americans who care about our legal system. we, during watergate, were able to get expedited hearings. that seems to be stymied, as you point out, right now. so what the democrats need to do is to focus their attention on one or two things and to really pursue those. they haven't focused quite yet, but i think there's a clarion call for action right now so that people will know what's going on and they can do that. they can focus possibly on this

latest episode, which for some reason seems to have more legs than most of the allegations against the president because this one shows that there's a possibility that our national security is being threatened. this is action that's been taken by the president, not a candidate, but by the president for his own personal benefit. he's used both his personal defense lawyer and the state department to arrange the meetings for his personal defense lawyer. he has asked for something that is of benefit when he now well knows that asking for foreign help is illegal. so we need to take action. >> joyce, the dni is going to be testifying on thursday. if you were to give advice to democrats about how they might get to some ultimate end that they like and want to see, what would you say to them because they're up against the kitchen sink defense, it appears.

everything just goes out. >> no one, i don't think, ever fully anticipated a president who would consider himself so firmly above the law that he wouldn't engage in any sort of accommodation practice with congress. you know, in the past obviously presidents don't like to be questioned, often don't want to turn over information. so there's an accommodation process. information can go first to the gang of eight, the eight key leaders in congress and the senate, or some other process of a negotiation over what will be turned over will happen. the trump administration has made it clear that they won't do anything like that. so the house intelligence committee with the director of national intelligence testifying has an opportunity to ask him questions, i think, about substance perhaps in a closed setting. but in a public setting, they can ask about the process. they can ask him to clarify how does the whistle-blower process work within your area of

responsibility, and what did the inspector general do here? and doesn't the law say you're obligated to send that to us in congress? and why didn't you? why did you take it to the justice department? was the white house involved? there are all of these process questions, and i think getting answers to them may be very illuminating right now. >> well, jill, 15 seconds. what can adam schiff do? >> i think as barbara and joyce and every other commentator has said, they have to go to court. they have to get court decisions. they have not pursued that as vigorously as i think they can. i think what's necessary is for action to be followed after they get decisions about mcgahn, about the 6-e testimony, about the tax returns. if the courts don't act, if the courts don't allow that, then democracy is in trouble. >> thursday's the day. we'll see what the dni says as

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look forward to seeing you there. you can also reach out to me on social media. i'll get right back to you. now i turn it over to reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, radio silence. i've been waiting to hear from republican lawmakers with some kind of defense or at least a denial of what could potentially be the worst scandal of the trump administration thus far. but three days after the story broke, i'm still waiting. waiting for an explanation from someone not in the white house as to why an anonymous whistle-blower's complaint claiming president trump repeatedly leaned on the president of ukraine to dig up dirt on joe biden's son should not be