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watch "the rise and fall of isis." for now, good night from new york. t from new york they came out of the desert promising death and destruction to all those who oppose them. they established a talitaliban ruled over millions of people. >> isis is a death cult. it's a death cult. >> we are the victorious group. >> and now the caliphate is destroyed. their leader has sworn to fight on in a global jihad promising
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to bring the fight to the west. so is the islamic state really dead? join me as i look at the rise and fall of isis. i've covered isis from the beginning as the militant army rolled through much of a rock in syria conquering a vast territory and establishing its caliphate. but by the spring of 2019, the tables had turned. isis was losing. i came back to witness the end. only a few thousand of the most hard core militants were left. they were surrounded in a little syrian town. >> this is as far as we can go.
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it's very dangerous. >> a field commander in a force made up predominantly of ethnic curds. he took me to the front lines. >> they don't look like they're ready to surrender. he's saying the ones in here they are prepared to die. the united states and the curds had a joint war plan, a partnership. the u.s. military dropped bombs from above while these curdish fighters did the grunt work. they backed isis into this final hold-out. a section no bigger than a few football fields. >> there are battles raging inside. this is the last stage. either they surrender or we kill them. >> little by little, isis lost its grip and the curds closed
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in. >> he's saying they're staying in one line because there could be ieds. they haven't cleared this area. >> the operation to strangle the city went on for weeks. we watched as american bombs rained down night after night. the last faction of the islamic state tonight is on fire. and then suddenly the battle was over. this is where the islamic state was defeated, where isis fighters made their last stand and lost. the most brutal, most aggressive, best funded terror group in history is now in ruins. it was buried here. but as the dust settled, the victors realized they had a new problem on their hands.
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thousands of people emerged stumbling amid the rubble. they were stunned, starved and had nowhere to go. they were the wives and children of the isis fighters. they had given up and in return were given food and water before being taken away to refugee camps. eventually the men surrendered, too, hundreds of them. and even though we had seen them fighting and many were battle scarred, they all told us they were just cooks and drivers, innocent civilians. >> no one says they're a fighter, no one. >> the detainees were searched thoroughly and interrogated by american special forces before being marched off to prison. i questioned dozens of captured
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isis supporters myself, but one guy stood out, a 34-year-old american from sugarland, texas. warren christopher clark comes from a war torn country. he claims he just sold candy to support himself with isis and spent a lot of time reading. >> i would say most people, yeah, they wanted to go fight or work in some area. i wanted to go see what the group was about and what they were doing. >> his words rang a little hallow. how could he not have known? isis never made a secret of what it was about. in online videos the group claimed its fanatical view of islam and documented the violence it inflicted on nonbelieves. >> you make it sound like you were a tourist visiting a normal country. >> yeah. >> but when you went in the spring of 2015. >> yeah. >> you had seen all of these
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videos. you knew what the group was about. you had seen all of the murders and the very, very graphic nature of the violence that they were carrying out. and, yet, you decided that's where i want to go. >> the videos is not really what the islamic state was about. it was only part of what it was about. you know, why do people from africa want to come to the united states? we have all seen "roots," "12 years a slave." we have all seen how bad america treats black people. >> he is known as the american. although, he's originally from a caribbean. >> if you tell them they are from the caribbean. even if you say south america. >> he was also captured on the battlefield but said he, too,
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was just an innocent bystander. he said he was an isis medic, but that didn't seem to match the bullet in his face. >> does that sound believable to you? >> many things i don't believe, but it's the truth. >> his curdish guards certainly didn't believe his story. >> curdish intelligence officials tell us you were a leader in isis, that you worked in their financial department, you worked in their war room. >> no, no, no. it's a lot of information they got. some of them told me i was working with the secret service out there. so information comes in, and some of them, they are not true. >> so he claimed. but the video evidence against him was damning.
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>> you appeared in one of their propaganda videos. >> yeah, yeah. >> so that sounds like someone who is quite a believer. >> yes, i was a believer. >> and we put will the flag of islamic -- >> even in defeat it was clear these are some of the most committed isis followers. this man told me with a smile isis lives on in our hearts. the women i met were equally unrepenting. they didn't even attempt to hide their hostility and anger, hurling insults and water. >> it could have been worse. several women blew themselves up rather than surrender. whenever they saw the cameras the women and some of the
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children would raise a single finger in the air just like they were taught to do. it represents the one true god who could never be defeated. >> is it over? isis finish sed? >> no. next time it will be in your lands. >> as they were hauled off to camps and prisons, i was wondering, could that threat be real? >> after the break, we'll get to know the women of isis, the world's worst terrorist group. stay with us. h us still, we never stopped making it stronger. faster. smarter. because to be the best, is to never ever stop making it better. the 2020 c-class family. lease the c 300 sedan for just $429 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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people. families of isis fighters with kept here until their home countries figure out what to do with them. but their governments don't want them back. so they stay here poorly guarded with nothing to do. >> where are you from? >> i came to the camp because i heard a young woman was here who said she was american named hoda. >> i'm richard engel from nbc, and i wanted to talk to you. >> she was born in new jersey, the daughter of a diplomat from yemen. >> i'm just as american as any blond haired blue eyed girl and i would like to stay in my country and do american things. >> instead age 20 she left her comfortable, even privileged life in the u.s., to come to syria to join isis. she was an ardent believer and used her twitter account to
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incite americans to commit murder. >> you call on americans to do drive-by shootings, to rent a truck and drive over people spilling their blood and you say memorial day, veteran's day, go out and do it. >> my lawyer told me not to speak about these things. >> hoda now claims she is filled with remorse. but she was literally wedded to the cause, marrying three isis fighters. >> you were married three times. two were killed and one divorced you. how were these men killed? >> on the battlefield. >> they were fighters? >> yeah. >> they were killed? >> uh-huh. >> did you ever get any military training? i've seen those images of the isis women with guns. >> no. woman didn't -- we didn't have a role this other than being a house wife. >> that's just not true.
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isis had a women only brigade of enforcers, part of the feared morality police. they were called the hansa brigade. since isis had strict rules, it was these woman responsible for policing and punishing other women. in a safe house i met three of them. and asked a woman what her role was. >> we were a female police force, she said. we would tour the markets, take part in raids and take women violating the dress code to our headquarters. it ranged from standing too close to man to consuming alcohol or even just having a hint of a pattern on their black. this woman was wearing one with a design on it when she was told to come to our headquarters she
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tried not to to avoid punishment. so they increased her sentence. it was thosupposed to be 20 las, but i whipped her 40 times. for more serious crimes like adultery, the punishment was death by stoning. these women were not mere followers. they were committed discipledis. the public executions went too far, she says, for her sensibilities. the way the bodies were displayed in the streets after the executions was disgusting, she says. they would leave a body hanging for a week so everyone who passed would see it and smell it. the women's brigade also helped manage one of the islamic states most disturbing practices, sexual slavery. when isis rolled across northern iraq, it captured towns long
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inhabited by an ethnic group of nonmuslims with a secretive religion and isis claimed they worshipped the devil. men were killed on the spot. girls of any women were taken as spoils of war to be distributed among the fighters. she was one of the spoils. all of the girls were screaming and cries because they didn't want to go with them, she says. but they beat the girls and dragged them away by force. isis established a slave market where fighters could buy and sell their captives. these men bragged about what a great time they would soon be having. i showed the video to the girl. she instantly recognized the men. >> i saw that one and this guy, she says. i don't know their names, but i
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saw them. she saw them laughing as they inspected more than 80 girls picking out the ones they desired. they sold me from one man to the next, she says. she was raped repeatedly for three months. she says she was considered too old by some of the isis men. they raped girls as young as eight, she says. they would say the older ones know something about men while the younger ones know nothing. she was one of those innocents that the isis fighters sought out. she's just 12. she didn't know what rape meant, only that she woke up bleeding. he was old, she says about the man who bought her. he was 50. they both escaped, but the 12-year-old is so badly
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traumatized, she struggles to speak. isis women also allowed their own children to be turned into murders and used as propaganda in deeply disturbing scenes like these. children, the so-called isis cubs, were isolated, indoctrinated and given military training. they went from playing soldiers to being soldiers. and then to stone cold killers. mohamed was one of those selected by isis to be a young cub but he didn't like it. he kept skipping the training, so isis made an example of him. they chopped off the 14-year-old's opposite hand and foot. >> they put my arm on a table and they brought out the
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butcher, and he cut it. this is the man who mutilated him, nicknamed the bulldozer. the most difficult time is when i go to sleep, mohamed says. then the pain really starts. mohamed cries whenever his bandages are changed. he can't afford to have the treatments done at a hospital. isis targeted children, he says. they'd give a buy some money or a bicycle and then take him in a car with a bomb to blow himself up. and isis women were equally responsible for the crimes. she had a son with an isis man. she wants to take to the boy to the united states. she says joining isis was just a big mistake. >> and you say now that you regret coming? but i'm trying to understand what it is you regret exactly. is it that you regret that you're in this situation, that you regret you're here?
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>> i reget the whole thing. i reget the ideology. i regret ever coming here. i regret ever even going online. i regret everything here. >> i left wondering how much hoda is changing her story because she wants to get out of this prison camp. from what i see women were the backbone of isis, the ones that held the group together and made some of its worst atrocities possible. but why join in the first place? next, the false promises that lured recruits to isis and the violent truth of life inside the caliphate. as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchemel... cut. liberty mu... line? cut. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. cut. liberty m... am i allowed to riff? what if i come out of the water? liberty biberty... cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance
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the profit mohamed himself. isis said it was fulfilling a divine mission and naive believers flocked to be part of it. >> there is no other path to victory except your sacrifice. >> they were convinced isis would herald a new islamic golden age and create a pure state for muslims, the caliphate. isis buipromised to restore mus pride and prestige. >> it means power after powerlessness. it means honor and dignity after embarrassment and failure. >> as a young muslim growing up in the west, he felt alienated and disillusioned. he himself was radicalized and joined a jihadist group before switching sides. he now works with western
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intelligence agencies. >> he saw muslims in a state of disarray, weakness, loss and failure. and they thought in their heads that if only we would establish the caliphate, everything else would fall into play and we would live happily ever after. >> tens of thousands of foreign fighters believed the islamic state was their des tiny. they destroyed their passports to show their commitment to the calipha caliphate. for them there was no going back. i met one of those men back in manhattan while he was in federal custody. mo went to columbia university and had what can only be described as a normal upbringing. >> what was it like to be a kid in your house. >> i don't imagine anything different from any other new yorker. i grew up playing basketball, going to school. >> what drew you to isis?
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>> feeling alienated and pushed being identified as another really makes me feel like why do you think i'm not american? why do you think i'm not something normal. >> he was easily offended. he was convinced the world, especially america, was against muslims. he snapped when a provocative video of a muslim woman was shown during one of his college classes. >> i saw a video that was really offensive. it made me feel insalted, like what's wrong with the burr ka? why is it getting desecrated? and it is an emotional thing and it still bothered me. it is not right to do that. >> warren christopher clark, the isis recruit from texas also felt persecuted in his own country. >> i had come from a long line of strong people who have survived 300 years of slavery,
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150 years and the struggle still goes on. >> and you wanted to go there specifically to be part of the islamic state, to be part of isis? >> i wanted to see what was going on for myself? >> peer pressure brought her to isis. she says it all started innocently enough chatting with friends online. >> it was like a little tutor muslim community going on, and i was part of it. at one point we were very normal people, very normal muslims and suddenly we became religious. >> would you call it radical? >> definitely. >> so you feel you were manipulated? >> yeah, definitely. >> someone brainwashed. >> brainwashed. >> he says joining isis seemed like a natural thing to do. >> the jews, they go to asia.
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>> i had heard arguments like this before that isis members were victims of persecution or looking for something bigger, a cause. but he puts it more bluntly. >> being cannon fodder, they will fight and die for the so-called islamic state. so as dumb as they come, the more the merrier. >> the most powerful weapon in the isis arsenal turned out to be propaganda, a media blitz that drew in thousands of new recruits. >> it is the rise. >> slick music videos depicted an epic struggle of good versus evil and isis were the good guys. >> recruits were told they were noble warriors on a devine mission to bring pride black to islam. >> their own graphic videos show the truth was much darker. >> thugs and criminals is what
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they got. >> isis revelled in the violence, documents each gruesome act to excite the followers and entail date their enemies. the world was outraged when a jordanian pilot shot down and captured while flying over syria was burned arrive in a cage. >> the goal was shock and horrify. >> i caught up with ben roads. >> good to see you. >> former white house speech writer and one of president obama's closest advisers on foreign policy. >> they are the kind of 2.0 version of a terrorist threat that realizes we don't need to hijack a plane to terrify people in new york. we can do something horrific inside syria and they will see it and be terrified. >> isis leaders weren't just terrifying the outside world. they were also spreading fear among their own believers. >> you thought that this was
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going to be an islamic utopia you said. >> yeah. >> what was it like when you got there? >> distaupe yeah. you could see madness in their eyes. >> hey, america. >> they started to execute people for things which even in islamic law you would not be executed for. i remember the images of a young teenager being executed because he ate during ramadam. to them everything became a capital offense because they are a death cult. >> i did see severed heads on spiked poles. >> you saw heads on a stick? >> yeah. >> and what did you think? just blocked it out. i tried to ignore it.
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>> otherings ds didn't care. >> when you went in the spring of 2015, it was already pretty clear what isis was about. they had already beheaded people. they had already kidnapped the women and committed atrocities they were putting out in video after video. did you know that? >> i'm from the united states, from texas. they like to execute people, too. you know so i really don't see any difference. maybe they might do it off camera, but it's the same. >> but the videos you saw you saw was so gruesome. that's not executions in texas. >> i know, but when i lived there, too, i saw the americans killing plenty of innocent people, the russians killing plenty of innocent people. >> but whatever it is just a vacation. the regime did nothing to restore muslim pride. and its appetite seemed ruthful.
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one member was a british citizen dubbed jihadi john, who was a petty criminal back home who became an isis executioner. he was responsible for beheading 27 hostages, including four americans. he taunted president obama. >> any attempt by you, obama, to deny the muslims their rights of living and safety will result in the bloodshed of your people. >> true to his word, jihadi johned murdered james foley on camera. >> i get a phone call from the president's counter terrorism and she says there is a video of jim foley. and she's narrating it. and i can hear her saying
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they're wearing an orange jump suit. they're holding a knife. and then i just hear her dissolve into tears. and what she's watching on the other end of the phone is the horrific beheading of james foley. >> he had to break the news to the president. >> i had to tell him and say the reason they were doing this was because of a decision he had made. >> a visibly shaken president obama spoke out. >> today the entire world is appalled by the brutal murder of jim foley by the terrorist group isis. jim was taken from us in an act of violence that shocks the conscious of the entire world. >> tragically, there were to be many more bleak moments for the american administration and for american hostages. >> you have a young woman, just waiting for this terrible thing
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to happen and for it to be broadcast on youtube. >> none of those hostages made it? >> no. we knew. you just had this sense that we were going to lose all of them. so this is about as dark a time as i can remember in my eight years of government. >> but just as isis was at its most powerful and most brutabrua small town in syria showed the world how to fight back. join me as america goes to war against isis after the break. ♪ ♪ award winning interface. ♪ ♪ award winning design. ♪ ♪ award winning engine. ♪ ♪ the volvo xc90. our most awarded luxury suv. ♪ ♪
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to understand the rise and fall of the islamic state, you have to go back to the war in iraq. ashamed after defeat at the hands of the american and anger by the american-backed government, they believed isis was so soft. their tactics were as old as history, but they remained brutally effective. >> the way the monogrols con kwured the world is get to a town and say you have two options. you can be killed or broiled
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alive. your women would be raped. there was such terror that no one would fight them. >> it got so bad 30,000 iraqi soldiers dropped their weapons and fled rather than stand up to less than a thousand isis fighters. >> we spend $25 billion building this army in southern iraq, hundreds of thousands of personnel. and they didn't even fight. the iraqi security forces just melted away. >> cities fell one by one. even saddam hussein's hometown, they all fell to isis. and the united states and its allies seemed powerless to stop
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them. but then in the summer of 2014, something extraordinary happened when isis reached one little town called kobani in northern syria. kobani was right on the border separating turki and saudi arabia. they watched as black clad isis fighters advanced on the town. right in front of me isis fighters were moving unopposed and completely out in the open. >> these people are extremely frustrated by what is happening here. they see isis fighters in their villages and they say if the americans want to bomb isis, they're not hard to find. >> at the time the u.s. government said kobani wasn't worth safing. >> what is happening in kobani,
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as w you have to understand the strategic objective. >> but the people had their own objectives. they stood their ground and fought. i wanted to get inside to see if the resistance had a chance. i left the safety of turkey and sprinted across no man's land. fire fights were underway. isis had already captured more than half the town. the people of kobani were trying to hang on to what they had left. these brave resistance fighters were ethnic kurds, a minority group of millions in the middle east striving for independence for centuries. they organized into a ma liliti
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proudly feminist with men and women sharing power equally and fighting shoulder to shoulder. a field commander led us to city hall. the only safe way she knew was going in through holes in the walls to avoid the snipers. she says there were about 40 isis fighters just in these rooms here. but thaer fighting room to room. you can see some of the damage. you can see the bullet holes. this was real close quarter fighting. >> she shows us where the enemy is, not far. we watch them all the time, she says, and made sure to shoot them before they get too close. >> they left and they paid for it in blood.
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>> this general led a unit of u.s. special operations forces that fought side by side with the kurds. >> why kobani? >> that's the first place that we noticed, someone is fighting back. and it was the people of kobani. >> what kind of partners did you find them to be? >> committed, dedicated, formidable. >> and what started in kobani quickly expanded. the first batch sent in to help the kurds soon grew to 2,000. the u.s. military trusted their allies so completely that the kurds were soon calling in american air strikes. the kurds not only did what they promised, they were willing to fight and die. >> coalition losses to combat in syria is two. >> two? >> two. >> two american soldiers in uniform that died. >> one coalition, one u.s.
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two. they have lost thousands. >> what kind of toll did they inflict on isis? >> it is in the tens of thousands of isis killed. >> for the allies, kobani was a turning point. >> every morning i'd come in and i would be looking at a map in my briefing and i could see where isis colors had been taking over that map suddenly it is moving the other directionment and that was so important because it really kind of broke the psychology. isis tried very hard to take someplace and had been beaten. and i think after that, we knew what it took to beat them. >> four years later, it was all over. for the kurds, it was a time to celebrate. i wanted to go back to kobani, back to where it all began to catch up with an old friend.
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>> hello. how are you? she was happy to see me. do you remember this place? it was very different. last time we came in through the walls. this time through the door. >> wow. town hall was back up and running, holding a meeting of the women's rights committee. but no one has forgotten what happened here. >> so i think there was a shooting position over there. there were bullet holes here. >> she then took me to another part of kobani scarred from the fight against isis and so is she. >> she's saying since we saw her, she's been injured three times. once she stepped on a land mine, she got scrap nell in the head and then she was shot twice. two times? wow. you look remarkable for having been blown up and shot three
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times. >> when i joined the battle, she says, i knew without a shadow of a doubt that kobani would be liberated one day like it is today. >> what do you think history will write about kobani and about you and your fighters? >> i am proud of what happened, she says. this is history. even if nobody writes about it, who can deny what happened? who can deny or martyrs? to understand what the kurds sacrificed, you only need to go to the edge of kobani. there is a graveyard there for those who died fighting isis. the kurds lost 11,000 people in all. >> do you think the u.s. owes a debt of gratitude to the kurds? >> absolutely. the whole world does. the kurds were on the front lines at the darkest moment, and
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they won. ♪ ♪ >> but what did the kurds get for all their sacrifice? being abandoned. president trump announced with isis being defeated, the u.s. was heading home. >> we did a great job. we have 100% of the sal fate. we will be pulling out of syria. let them handle their own problems. >> the battle against the caliphate may have been won, but the war is far from over. >> the caliphate is destroyed. but is isis dead? >> no. no. they're still there. >> isis is making a comeback, and we in the west are the target. that's next. that's next. panera's new warm grain bowls are full of good.
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the world is rid of the islamic state. or is it? the man who started it all has sworn to fight on, to take the fight to the west, and it's not an idle threat. paris, london, berlin, brussels, nice, manchester, orlando, san bernardino. cities around the world have been targeted. hundreds of people have been killed. as devastating as the terror attacks are, isis may have left an even more dangerous legacy. tens of thousands of foreign fighters and their families are detained in makeshift prisoner of war camps scattered across iraq and syria. with nowhere to go and an ideological hatred of the west still burning in their hearts. al baghdadi has urged his supporters to attack the prisons and liberate their brothers. what happens to all these other people in the camps? do you think they're still dangerous?
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>> it's obvious who are still radical, who are still dangerous, and who are completely flipped 180. >> hoda muthanna is right to be worried. the women of isis continue to openly pledge allegiance to the group. several women at this camp got together and beat a woman to death for betraying the cause. guards have been stabbed. how can people be convinced, our viewers be convinced, that you're not dangerous? >> because i want to come back so america and i want to live safely under america. i just want to raise my child and have nothing to do with jihge jihad ever again. >> the u.s. government is in no mood to forgive her. have you seen this? this was the secretary of state pompeo saying that you're not a u.s. citizen. listen. >> she is a terrorist. she's not a u.s. citizen. she ought not return to this country. >> the u.s. says you can't go back. >> i'm hoping -- >> do you have any idea what's going to happen? >> i'm hoping they do fix it up
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and bring me back. because there's nowhere else i'd rather be than america. >> she may be telling the truth, but mubin sheikh, the former jihadist, says the so-called isis brides were not innocent victims. >> some were members of the women police, some were used as spies and messenger couriers. you had some that marry isis fighters, but it was to breed literally the next generation of jihadi fighters. they understood their role in that. >> and many of those children, those isis cubs who were raised on hate, still believe too. in the camp, the kids even made an isis flag, hoisted it, and chanted that they would carry on the struggle. >> unfortunately these children will grow up living in prison camps, being hated and despised. so what we should probably prepare ourselves for is the
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next wave of isis cubs who have tried to become normal, but will realize that that is something that will forever be beyond their grasp. >> u.n. investigators say the only way to defeat the isis ideology is to have nuremberg-style trials, because many detainees themselves still believe they've done nothing wrong. what do you think is going to happen to you now? what do you want to happen to you? >> i don't know if they will deport me. maybe my country will take me back or they will put me in jail here. >> resigned to your future, whatever that future is? >> yeah, whatever that future is. >> do you regret joining the group? you don't really sound like you do, you sound like it was what it was and it happened. >> there is regrets, you know. but i'm not regretting that i came to syria. >> despite facing years in prison, warren christopher clark still has no regrets. >> maybe i go to jail, maybe i don't. i don't know, it's not really,
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you know -- lots of great people have been to jail. malcolm x, dr. king, nelson mandela. >> would you put yourself in that same category? >> i don't know if i would be considered as great as these people, but my dad always told me, we're all going to die, so if you're going to die, die for something that you believe in. >> some have changed their minds. do you regret that you had gone there? >> more than anything. that's obviously the worst decision i've ever made in my life. >> so are you apologizing? >> absolutely. >> some might say, of course he's apologizing now, he's in u.s. custody, he'll say anything. >> i think i have a real message, and the message that is islamic state is not bringing islam to the world, and people need to know that. and i'll say that till the day i die.
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>> he served a two-year sentence for aiding and abetting a terrorist organization. he cooperated with intelligence agencies and is now free back in the u.s. warren christopher clark is back in the u.s. too, facing charges of providing material support to isis. if convicted he faces up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. hamid remains in kurdish custody. trinidad has no plans to repatriate him any time soon. hoda muthanna and her son have been moved to another detention camp for their own safety as they await their fate. the islamic state may have been defeated but the threat will live on for years to come. >> the caliphate is destroyed but is isis dead? >> no, no. they're still there. there's still people who follow
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them, there's still people who have unique expertise, there's still ideology that attaches to it. i think isis is going to be around for a long time. alright,! (girl) and you want to make sure to aim it. (dad) i'm aiming it. (everyone) awww. (girl) i ordered it for everyone. (dad vo) we got the biggest subaru to help bring our family together. (girl) i'm just resting my eyes. (dad vo) even though we're generations apart. (grandma) what a day. i just love those kids. (avo) the three-row subaru ascent. (dad) wave to grandma, everybody. (avo) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. hour 36 in the stakeout. as soon as the homeowners arrive, we'll inform them that liberty mutual customizes home insurance, so they'll only pay for what they need. your turn to keep watch, limu. wake me up if you see anything. [ snoring ]
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