this case is about carmen. this case is about nick. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales, thank you for watching. good morning on this sunday morning. i'm frances rivera at msnbc world quarters. it's 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west. here's what's happening. the impeachment battle intensifies. the latest on the timeline an the strike that vi for both sides. plus, the new effort to unmask the whistle-blower. >> a political pressure on the other side to delay and stone wall as long as possible. >> if they do impeach the president, the senate doesn't vote to convict, imagine what kind of a presidency you're going to have. >> the american public is very smart and they will understand if the story is told and in a simple way.

>> also, the new report about hillary clinton's emails and how the trump administration is still investigating them. and they are back. the gang at sn all right. returns poking fun at the president and his personal attorney. spenl this morning, the battle lines as impeachment ramps up. nancy pelosi telling democrats in texas last night that she feels public support is shifting as the investigation presses ahead. >> in the public, the tide has completely changed. it could change fast. who knows? but right now, after seeing the complaint and the i.g. report and the cavalier attitude that the administration had toward it, the american people are coming to a different -- >> pelosi's latest comments will show the public opinion turning

favorably towards impeachment. a survey showing 49% approval for adults towards impeachment. the white house doubling down on defense saying there's nothing there when it comes to the president's call with ukraine. >> this is another in a long line of ridiculous behavior by the democrats. the president has done nothing wrong. they pushed a lie about russia on the american people without evidence and they're doing it all over again. whether it's cluollusion or kavanaugh or a coverup. >> the president making his own direct pitch to voters as he points the finger at democrats. >> what's going on now is the single greatest scam in the history of american politics. the democrats want to take away your guns, they want to take away your health care, they want to take away your vote and your freedom. they want to take away your judges and everything. they're trying to stop me because i'm fighting for you,

and i'll never let that happen. >> another investigation intensifying this morning. the "washington post" reports the trump administration is investigating emails of dozens of current and former senior state department officials who sent messages to then secretary of state hillary clinton's private emails. current and former officials telling the paper, as many as 130 officials have been contacted in recent weeks by state department investigators. nbc's hans nichols joins you with more from the white house. we'll get to that story in a minute. we saw reaction from the white house on the impeachment inquiry. what's the latest? >> reporter: the strategy seems to be to appeal to the president's base. you saw that in the video you just played. in a twreet from laura trump, the president's daughter-in-law. you also have these attacks on the whistle-blower. a couple days ago, the president was suggesting he's a partisan

operative. they continue to repeat the line that the whistle-blower didn't have the information firsthand. listen to how it was put. >> this whistle-blower has clearly not been given the appropriate amount of scrutiny. this person wasn't on the call, this person was using secondhand information and the third hand accounts were from media hit pieces in "the new york times," the "washington post" and cnn. >> what are his spirits? how is he doing? >> he's doing very well. what the democrats aren't talking about are guns, infrastructure, health care, borders. they're not doing anything that they were elected to do, which is work for the american people. the president shows up every day and does his job. >> now, as the president's spirits, it was bolstered by lindsey graham who was on the golf course with the president yesterday.

normally they don't say he's golfing. on a rare occasion yesterday they did. clearly impeachment is on their minds. from the golf course a tweet from senator lindsey graham, he's really focusing on this hearsay aspect. in america, you can't get a parking ticket based on hearsay testimony. but you can impeach a president? i certainly hope not. so frances, those are the tracks the white house defense, the idea of appealing to the base and questioning the whistle-blower and introducing the idea that it's hearsay testimony and there isn't direct evidence. >> hans, yesterday we were talking about impeachment and now the headline is talking about clinton emails. what do you know about this story and the white house looking into those emails again? >> the state department is conducting a review. it's ongoing on to some of the emails sent to state department official, career officials and they were sent to the private email server from -- of hillary clinton. it's obviously an incredibly important issue and the 2016

campaign. what we don't know is if this was directed by the white house or a standard state department procedure and if they're wrapping up the administration. at a certain point, the "washington post" seems to be saying they're wrapping up, excuse me me, the investigation. whether or not this is ongoing is going to be a key line. >> certainly the case many are asking. >> i want to bring in politics reporter with the daily beast and scott wong, senior reporter with the hill. thank you both for being with me this early in the morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. what is up with this interest in hillary clinton's emails now? >> well, the state department will say that this is simply normal protocol, that this is -- that it's taken 3 1/2 years to investigate, pore through the thousands and thousands of emails that were on hillary clinton's private server. a key issue, as hans mentioned

in the 2016 campaign and what many people point to as perhaps the reason why hillary lost to donald trump in that election, but democrats are saying that this is a highly suspicious time just as the ukraine story rears its head and democrats launch into their impeachment inquiry. we're once again talking about hillary clinton's emails. people think that this could be politically motivated on behalf of the trump administration and are extremely concerned. >> before this report, hanna, we would have been talking about impeachment and inquiry. now we're talking about the emails once again? . how do you make of the timing here? >> yeah. i think what scott said is spot-on. there's nobody arguably that president trump is more obsessed with than hillary clinton. i mean, i worked on the story with the daily beast where we

talked to nearly a dozen clinton staffers from the campaign in 2016 who were basically watching in horror and we asked them specifically with regard to biden's team, what advice did they give to him, it's a similar sort of line attack that we see trump using towards the vice president as he personalizes that front-runner status. he basically said, you know, this is so much ptsd for us. this dominated the headlines like scott said in 2016, that we would just advise him to look straight ahead, to not engage in it. one former clinton campaign official who dealt very directly with the email scandal as if were at the time, do not accept the premise and just keep doubling down on the facts of your campaign. that is certainly, i don't think biden's campaign. i don't think many of the other 2020 democratic campaigns would have thought that hillary clinton's emails would dominate

the 2020 election coverage at this point. here we are. >> we'll have to see how much longer we're talking about it. let's move forward. the impeachment inquiry. house democrats are scheduling depositions from five senior state department officials over the next two weeks. scott, talk about the expectations on capitol hill over these hearings and what importance do these particular individuals bring to this as a whole? >> well, they are aware of the conversations that were happening between the president and the ukraine -- the president of the united states and the ukraine president and other world leaders. specifically, congress just set off on a two-week recess. so things are dying down, quieting down quite a bit, although the investigating committee, foreign affairs, intelligence, oversight and some others are working through the recess. that's when some of these closed door hearings will be taking

place in involving kurt voelker who is the -- he just resigned friday night. he will be testifying later this week. also, michael atkinson will be returning to the hill. he is the inspector general for the intelligence committee. he will also be testifying behind closed doors before the intelligence committee. so there will be a lot of activity happening on the ukraine front in this impeachment inquiry. however, it remains to be seen whether any of these testimony will be -- will happen in front of the public and in front of the television cameras. >> that's the big question. how much cooperation in this hanna, especially when it comes to mike quigley who told msnbc this about what he actually is expecting from the officials. let's take a listen. >> i don't expect cooperation. i expect the same sort of either

obstruction or stonewalling. that's unfortunate. to the extent that we can, we'll have the witnesses willing to come forward testify. the rest of it unfortunately will be a continued court battle. >> after hearing those concerns, how important is it for the democrats to get to the open hearings and can they get this without cooperation. >> that's a good question. i think for democrats, it's all upside for them and very little downside. one of the things i think that nancy pelosi obviously in her caucus is dealing with and it's trickling over to the campaign side among the 2020 democrats, is transparency and so as democrats on the road obviously hoping to take on trump as the eventual nominee, they want to see this process unfold as much as possible and a prior shift to what we were seeing earlier is that impeachment after this is more popular based on polling.

so the more popular that it is, i think the more pressure on pelosi to push for increased transparency and for the democrats as they go out on the campaign trail, nearly 20 of them are still campaigning. to be able to tell voters specifically, this is what we as a democratic party, as united as we can be, this is what we're standing for and pushing for on the hill. >> nancy pelosi has been vocal about that each last night saying it's not about politics, it's patriotism. she spoke in texas that holding the president accountable is more important than the politics. let's hear from her directly. >> people say i take a political risk doing that. that doesn't matter. that doesn't matter. because we cannot have a president of the united states undermining his oath of office. his loyalty, to his oath of office. undermining our national security and undermining the

integrity of our election. >> so you have it there, scott. pelosi saying it isn't about political risk. but how much political risk is there surrounding this? >> well, pelosi knows that there was political risk. she was trying all year to stave off this impeachment investigation from happening in the first place. she believes that it would put some of her frontline democrats, vulnerable democrats, the majority makers who handed her the majority and the speaker's gavel last fall in serious jeopardy. however, we are starting to see some of that polling reflect renewed support for you impeachment. especially among those voters in the middle, independents. so right now it's about 50/50 with some movement in the middle towards impeachment. democrats say that this is a good issue for them in terms of being able to make the case that

impeachment was the right call. they believe this was an easy -- this is an easy narrative for them to tell an convince voters that impeachment is the right decision for them to make. they believe it's an open and shut case. that remains to be seen. because we're seeing republicans push back very strongly in favor of the president, defending the president. very little daylight between republicans and the president right now. very little cracks in the wall. >> what you're hearing, we heard it earlier from the white house deputy press secretary, putting the situation in the same category as the russia investigation. here we go again, the democrats are doing it all over again. how that message playing with the american people? how long will that defense last and resonate with them, hanna? >> that remains to be seen. i think, like scott said, independents are the ones to watch on this. there's a little bit of movement and it will be interesting to see how it unfolds on that front. i mean, the democrats, i don't

think they necessarily wanted this impeachment cloud to hang over their campaign and the 2020 election. they wanted it to be more about what they stand for and not what they stand against. but in that -- sort of on the other side of that, most of them are running as a stark contrast to president trump. they want voters to see them in that light. i would argue the more that they sort of talk about this and answer voters' questions as it comes up, i think the fewer questions there will be about the following steps and just showing that stark contrast, arguably that democrats who are senators who are running. five or six of them are in a better position as they hit the campaign trail. they'll be able to interface one-on-one. the investigations are happening in the house. just having that sort of institutional washington knowledge. i guess, in a campaign cycle that is typically folks used on

grassroots up raising and not washington insidery. in this case having washington knowledge might come in handy. >> your perspective is always welcome this early in the morning. thank you. rudy giuliani is lashing out. he's mentioned 31 times in the whistle-blower complaint. why he's taking issue with footnotes in that document. a legal look up next. and in last night's "saturday night live" season premiere, alex baldwin called his buddy rudy giuliani in a flurry of worry over the whistle-blower case. >> you got to relax, mr. trump. we got nothing to worry about. nobody is going to find out about our illegal side dealings with the ukraine. >> good. >> we tried to cover up those side dealings. >> great. >> we plan to cover up the coverup. >> ride, where are you right now? >> i'm on cnn right now. >> let me put you on speaker. >> rudy, get out of there.

whatever you do, stay off the phone. >> i got another call. okay? who is this? >> it's attorney general barr. >> okay. i'm really starting to worry. >> i know things look bad right now, but i got our top guy on this. >> good. let's get him on the phone, too. >> hello. >> oh, hey, mr. president. >> not still on cnn, are you? >> of course not. i'm on the joe rogan podcast. fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you.

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questions today surrounding that whistle-blower complaint that mentions eight of the president's allies, including rudy giuliani, attorney general bill barr and vice president mike pence. that's in addition to a dozen white house officials and lawyers. but the president's personal attorney is revealed to be the central figure being mentioned 31 times. joining me now is the legal contributor and also formal federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glen kirschner. glenn, we'll start with you. you called giuliani a co-conspirator yesterday who is pointing the fingers at others implicated here. is it safe to say he'll be the person to take down the trump presidency? >> you know, that remines to be seen. we have to see what congress produces in the upcoming

hearings. i will say, i was interested and even a little amused when it read the a.p. reporting this morning. bill bar is now saying about rudy giuliani. it's reported that barr was quote, surprised and angry to discover he had been lumped in with giuliani. you know, i'll tell you, frances, this has the feel to me of a conspiracy and here's why. you now have people pointing the finger at one another. giuliani is defiantly holding up his phone and saying the state department told me to do it. you have pompeo seeming to back away. you have barr angry that he's lumped in, his words, with giuliani. you know, usually when we take down a criminal conspiracy when we make arrests and we begin to deal with the different co-conspirators, we call that a race to the courthouse. because all of the co-conspirators want to get in

the front of the trouble that's coming. the only wildcard, frances, we don't really have a law enforcement mechanism to begin holding these people accountable because barr is running the justice department. so right now, it's up to congress. >> then you've got rudy giuliani saying -- he tried to defend himself against the allegations mentioned in the complaint. let's remind our viewers if they haven't seen it. >> you say owe he. >> said five things about me that are blatantly false. >> clearly. >> a washington lawyer. whistle-blowers don't write letters with footnotes that are longer than text. >> that is agreed i have been a judge. >> what's your take on that, on his claim because he's innocent because footnotes are too long and will it hold up in court? >> it's not worth responding to. frances, the fact that they're referring to footnotes that it's

not written by themselves is malarkey. we keep referring to giuliani as his trump's personal attorney. but he says he was not acting as an attorney when he did this work. number one, there will be no attorney-client privilege for donald trump or rudy giuliani to hide behind when people begin to question them about what happened with the ukraine. and number two, i agree with glenn in his astute assessment that there's a lot of people trying to point fingers at each other. with the upcoming depositions this week, frances, you'll have state department employees put under oath and they will have to answer questions about their own involvement, including kurt volker who we know resigned mysteriously perhaps on friday night before the depositions are going to happen this week. when you do the type of deposition, there's two different kinds. either a discovery deposition where you're genuinely looking to get information as a general proposition or a gotcha depp

tigs where you're trying to lock them down into an inconsistent position or a lie. we're kind of working on an expedited timeline according to nancy pelosi. we have to be really careful in terms of how the questions are posed, the information is done and how the investigation is teed up. >> especially the complaint from the beginning when we started this, how it was received. the "washington post" says a whistle-blower managed to exceed what the special counsel -- by producing a file so concerting and factually sound that his almost single handedly set in motion the gears of impeachment. glenn, you used to work with robbro robert mueller directly in the office. what is so clearly damaging in this case? >> so robert mueller's investigation was nearly two years and it produced a 448-page report that revel tifl few

people red. this was something that i think people can wrap their heads around. i also worked with michael atkins atkinson. we overlapped for ten years in the d.c. u.s. attorney's office. i can tell you, hess highly regarded as a thoughtful, circumspect, ethical prosecutor and a really adept investigator. that's why you see so many detailed footnotes in his report. i think, frances, at its core, why this may resonate in a way the mueller report didn't is because at its core, what we have is money that was allocated by congress to help ukraine defend itself against russian aggression in a way to save ukrainian lives. you then have the president holding it back and saying to president zelensky, i know you want this aid and you want to protect your country. i have a favor, though. and then he launches into a somewhat rambling request

that -- really that the ukraine ginn up false accusations against biden and his son. that is any number of crimes. it could qualify as extortion. it could qualify as bribery. it certainly feels like a campaign finance violation because opposition research is certainly a thing of value and that's what the president was trying to extract from president zelensky. this is a self-contained crime in one phone call. any thinking person who cares to look at the facts will understand that. >> so many legal aspects to this. we could go on and on. glad you're back in the next hour. we'll talk to you more. thank you both. next, president trump's dealing with the president of ukraine raises new suspicions about russia's influence on the white house and should america worry that no record exists of five interactions between trump

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me the date. my priority to stop the war and to get back our territories. >> i really hope that russia, because i really believe that president putin would like to do something. i really hope that you and president putin get together and can solve your problem. >> joining me now is bobby ghosh, columnist at the edit editorial board the bloomberg. what do you think the chances are that zel lensky and putin me a deal? >> actually when he was elected, he's from outside the political -- he was trying to find a way to open a conversation with russia different from before. i think what president trump has done is toss a hand grenade into that room and completely spoiled any prospects that might have been for a new kind of conversation between ukraine and russia. he's now forced zelensky into a

place where zelensky has to be more defensive that he might have been before. as you saw in that clip with the president, zelensky says he wants to talk about getting crimea back. he has to hold the positions. those are nonnegotiable for russia. any prospect and they might not have been great to start with, but any prospect that zelensky may have found a middle ground with russia have now essentially been torched by the president of the you state. >> when you read between the lines do you interpret it as president trump not willing to say the united states will help ukraine to resolve the issue with -- >> he's shown it by his actions over and over again. this is not an issue he's interested in pursuing. by the way, just as president obama was not willing to very much. trump clearly a great admirer of

putin. someone who thinks have putin inside the fence is more important than antagonizing him. therefore, does not really want to get involved too much over the controversy over ukraine. he essentially is throwing, to use an expression popular in britain, he's throwing zelensky under the bus and to the wolves with the russians. >> it makes you wonder, when it comes to the relationship between putin and trump, would this essentially ask the question of why russia is holding trump to be so spellbound in that case? >> well, russia and putin has been in trump's mind for a long time. trump's admiration of putin predates his presidential run even. you have to give him points for being consistent in that. he has a track record, we've seen this not just with putin but across the world. he likes what he regards to be strong men, strong decisive

people, clearly people who have no interest in the rule of law, no interest in legacies and in nice at thises like constitution and democracy. he likes people who, in his mind, get things done. putin is the sort of ultimate embodiment of this alpha male form of governing that trump himself aspires to. >> before you go, i want to ask you about the british version of donald trump who has been known to be called, one of the shortest term prime ministers in uk history. i want to show you and we'll talk about it. >> they were saying there, boris, you're a liar, cheat, you're not fit. he appeared to be weathering it well there. there were loud boos as he went into the building a few seconds later. can he survive a no confidence vote if that comes up this week?

>> the other thing happening this week is the labor party conference taking place, his own party, it will be a good way to gauge how much strength he has within his own party. then we go to parliament and see if the motion holds. things are very up in the air. the impression you get as an outsider here in britain, that nobody wants to govern at the moment. even the opposition, the labor party is not clear that it wants to take the bull by its horns. brexit is the idea of britain leaving the european union is such a crown of thorns that nobody wants to wear. if boris johnson survives, he might yet do so, it will be because in part because nobody else wants the job. it's the job that that is a political suicide pill for anybody who takes it right now. >> we'll see what he weathers.

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president trump's defenders out in full force making this case about those notes. >> i was asked beforehand, should he release it. i said it's up to him. it's not going to matter. the statement good say, good morning, mr. zelensky, good morning president trump and they would have said it's a hidden signal. >> the phone call is out there. >> the fact is the white house decided to release this transcript. they gave it to you all and gave it to congress. abundance of transparency. >> joining me now is rashad richie and also ned ryan, ceo of american majority and form he were spieth speech writer for george w. bush. let's get started with you, ned. is that hard to defend when we have transparency. is that the best they can come up with? >> i think they've actually have been transparent, frances. they released the transcript. they released the complaints from the whistle-blower as quickly as they thought was

feasible. people want to see things that simply aren't there. they're ranting about quid pro quo. was there military aid being discussed. that's clearly was not in the transcript. that wasn't a subject until a month after the phone call. >> shouldn't that be the number one thing they're defending. here are the memos, here's notes but the content, what actually was exchanged, words between the two. >> i see nothing that in any way shows anything that was improper. i mean, this was a conversation between donald trump and the president of ukraine. i have to tell you, other people have said it's on a top secret server. when susan wright -- >> let me ask you this, can you imagine president george w. bush saying those things with a foreign leader? would he do that? >> i would say this. there was a certain amount of decency that his conversations with foreign leaders weren't being constantly leaked, whether

with australia, mexico, the ukrainian president. i will say this, frances, no, no. the thing that was asked, if you go back and look. they're supposed to, according to the treaty from clinton administration, there's supposed to be cooperation between the united states and ukraine on criminal matters and trump had every right to actually ask favors of foreign leaders, especially in this situation with ukraine on a matter where, quite frankly, i think we deserve to know the answers. was there corruption? is looks like hunter biden's only qualification was being the son of a sitting vice president of the united states. >> so back -- that's a defense you're throwing out there. let me bring in rashad. when responding to ned, saying yes the white house did give up these memos, yet that should be enough and not defending the could be tent, the words, the exchange and the favor asked there, rashad. >> duck, dodge, deny and deflect. that's the strategy of this white house. that's been the strategy of this

president. let's be clear about the transcript. the tran skipt is in black and white. it's a rough draft. there's probably more to this than we don't see. i find it ironic that you have individuals trying to defend what cannot be defendefended. you can continue to say that somehow this president did not use a quid pro quo in his conversation with the ukrainian president, however, he said in that conversation, the conversation that we have, do us a favor. in addition to that, he's given absolutely no reason why he withheld $391 million of military aid from this country. as a matter of fact, the president has said he withheld no aid, which is contrary to the actual facts. so there is absolutely no context or defense for doing so. beyond that, 28%. i want you to remember that number. 28%. that's the sentiment, that was the sentiment two years ago when mueller was investigating trump

for impeachment. the sentiment was 28% of americans wanted him impeached. that number rose to 30%. last week it was at 43%. now it's at 49%. ned, you your guy is in trouble? >> oh, man. you're breaking up. go ahead. ned. >> it showed 36% according to an impeachment poll last week by a political and morning consult. quinnipiac showed the same thing. rashad, i would say this. if democrats want to go down this path of impeachment, knock yourself. it's a fool's errand pushed by fools. you look at the swing districts, impeachment played lower in oklahoma 5 and illinois 14. i think it's going to make the centrist democrats walk the gangplank to their ruin in 2020. i think this is a massive gamble based on excuse thats american people are looking at. they've read the transcript and the complaint going, we're not sure what we're talking about. this is hardly grounds for

impeachment. >> let me ask you. we're in that process right now. some democrats are trying to strike a solemn tone when it comes to people impeachment. i want to bring in a moment from senator schumer. we'll talk about it. >> we're entering a very delicate time in our democracy. i want all of you to know i've been speaking with speaker pelosi constantly and i fully support her decision to open an impeachment inquiry into president trump. >> all right. is it better to kind of bring it back, reel it in and tone it down, have more of the solemn tone or could that attitude hurt democrats? what's the impact on public perception since you're bringing up the numbers when it comes to for or against impeachment. >> first of all, ned, i'm right on the numbers. you can check them out on npr and pbs. the sentiment of public celebration is not a popular

one. you do not celebrate the impeachment of a president in your campaign speech. i think the democrats are making a mistakes. we want a functional congress that has the ability to, yes, investigate if there are issues that would rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. but we also want to have our congressional members work. we want them work on health care reform, work on criminal justice reform. so this cannot be the end all. this is part of it. >> the defense here that i want to ask to your take on president trump he was tweeting, how do you impeach a president created the greatest economy in the history of the country. >> does the president have the feeling that i'm good as long as the economy is stable? >> i do think so, frances. i think russia gate lasted 2 1/2 years. ukraine gate is starting to fall apart. the only way trump loses is if the economy completely implodes and tanks. that's what i'm looking at.

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do you think it was luck that got us to the best stock market in the economy in our history, it wasn't. then you have markets that haven't moved much. is that a reflection that impeachment won't have that much of an effect or are investors waiting it out? >> investors are waiting it out, but at the same time they are struggling right now because they're saying they don't believe that president trump will be removed from office. it is likely that he could have impeached, it looks like the democrats have a solid case. if president trump were to be removed from the office the stock market would actually soar because there are elements of president trump's economic policy that are hurting the u.s. economy, hurting consumers and hurting companies when it comes to investments. if he were to be removed you would see american businesses would be able to soar because they wouldn't have to deal with the tariffs. that's the biggest issue that ceos have been complaining about, they're saying that's having a real negative impact when it comes to sales and president trump has continued to pursue that policy. also when it comes to immigration, so obviously if

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