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i turn it over to reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, one-two punch as we head into the third week of the impeachment inquiry, donald trump is now facing dual accounts of the same accusation that he learned and leaned on a foreign government for his own political gain after a second intelligence community whistle-blower has come forward, corroborating that the president called on ukraine to investigate the biden family over the summer. by all appearances, it is the last thing this white house needs as it now faces a congressional subpoena over that call. with the growing list of the president's closest allies on
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the hook for documents, if not already subpoenaed by house democrats who this morning seized on the news of a second whistle-blower to bang the impeachment drum even louder. >> the evidence of wrongdoing by donald trump is hiding in plain sight. the president on a phone call as confirmed by a rough transcript on july 25th released by the white house pressured a foreign government to target an american citizen. the whistle-blower complaint has been rob rated by information in the public domain every step of the way. >> meanwhile, gop leaders were notably absent from the morning shows, but rank and file republicans danced around the ukraine question until they couldn't. falling back on the president's line that impeachment inquiry is just the latest version of a witch hunt.
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wisconsin senator ron johnson practically tripped over that line. >> senator, i'm asking about -- >> president trump is upset and why his supporters are upset at the news media. chuck, here is the deal, here is the deal. >> senator johnson, please. can we please answer the question that i asked you, instead of trying to make donald trump feel better here that you're not criticizing him. >> i'm not. >> joining me now, "new york times" columnist and msnbc contributor michelle goldberg and conservative radio host and msnbc political analyst hugh hewitt. now hugh, moments ago we got a statement from the white house press secretary stephanie grisham about the second whistle-blower. it reads, "quote, it doesn't matter how many people decide to call themselves whistle-blowers about the same telephone call the president already made
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public. it doesn't change the fact that he has done nothing wrong. you and all of the defense of the white house and those that are saying there's nothing here, people seem to disregard it was the president's inspector general, the one he selected that said there is an urgency here and there is some credibility here for some concern. the democrats didn't create this. >> no, they didn't create it. and good evening, al. good to talk to you as always. >> good to talk to you. >> i think the transcript of the phone call is everything people need to make their own conclusion. i judge it to be insignificant. now i would like to see the transcript of thursday's hearing at the house intelligence committee that went on for eight hours, from which there were selected bits leaked. but the entire transcript should be made available because special envoy volker kplcomplet destroys the idea that there was
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a quid pro quo. i'm calling on adam schiff to do something he has not done for three years and put forward the entire transcript of thursday's hearing so that we can read what happened in front of the house intelligence committee and judge whether or not there is an impeachable offense. impeachable offense is whatever the majority of the house says there is. i don't think it's an impeachable offense. >> michelle, hugh says there is nothing there, even though we haven't seen the whole transcript of the call, but that the detroits, even though we haven't seen it yet. >> that's a highly suspicious reading of events during that hearing. and you certainly are not -- that's not a bipartisan conclusion coming out of that hearing. in fact, what you're hearing from democrats is that volker's testimony, and particularly the text messages that he released are extraordinarily damning. they show that the person who was essentially acting as the ambassador to ukraine because trump got rid of the other ambassador for not being a party to his plans, he was basically
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texting and saying it is crazy to withhold aid for political purposes. we don't need to rely on that. we have the transcript. and so it somes like this is what republicans are doing. they're either trying to deflect to attacks on different tertiary case, whether that's adam schiff or hunter biden, or else they're telling you the evidence in front of your face doesn't matter. right? we all thaw that line, "i'd like you to do me a favor, though." two parts. one was to open an investigation into joe biden's son for the express purpose of donald trump then being able to say that joe biden is under investigation as he was able to say that hillary clinton was under investigation and use to that to undermine her candidacy in 2016. the other thing he's trying to do is push forward this ludicrous conspiracy theory that it was somehow ukraine and not russia behind the hacks on -- >> right.
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>> in 2016. and it is astonishing to see all of these republicans, erstwhile cold warhawks going along with this story. >> you said you don't believe it raises to the level of impeachment. if the president of the united states held back military aid that had been approved by congress to try and get the investigation of a potential opponent's family, you do not think that rises to an impeachment or you don't think they've established that that is what happened yet? >> very perceptive, al. i don't believe they have established that. i also like to point out that the president of the united states has used american national power often to achieve investigatory ends. for example, when we sanctioned more than a dozen saudi arabians in the murder of mr. khashoggi. we used national power instruments often to obtain cooperation with foreign governments in matters about which we are concerned. i'll return to the original proposition, al. if the democrats have a case, adam schiff should release
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thursday's transcript. it allegedly establishes a quid pro quo. adam schiff released the transcript like president trump released the transcript of his call with president zelensky. and then we can see. is not it. >> i'll have michelle respond. when you talk about saudi arabia and others, it was not to the personal gain of the president. we're talking now not about using foreign governments for investigations. we're talking about directing an investigation that would directly be of political gain to the president. that's a total different ball game. >> i don't believe that. i just don't believe that. >> i'm not saying established. i'm saying the expects you use ready not what we're looking at here, michelle. there was nobody in the khashoggi situation that was accused of having political gain. >> what hugh hewitt and other defenders of the president are asking you to believe is that the president is independently terribly concerned about nept
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tisic corruption. there is no other case in the world in which he has shown the slightest concern with this issue, and meanwhile his own daughter sits in the white house and does business with china every single day. it's absurd on its face. and to even equate it again with khashoggi is to suggest that this conspiracy theory that ukraine and not russia was behind the hack of the 2016 election, or that ukraine somehow framed paul manafort, who is now in prison for evading taxes on the money that he stole from ukraine. to equate that with khashoggi, with his murder that we all actually know happened i think is a sign of how much the republican party has given in to a strategy of total deflection and really soviet-style disinformation. >> you -- there are some on the republican side saying that this is a coup.
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isn't it the opposite of a coup, to make sure that if the inspector general appointed by the sitting president says there is a serious concern, the system and government has to function? it would be a coup for them not to function or to give a pass when they had been given this red alert from the inspector general? >> those of us who always believed it was russia who attacked our election in 2016, and i was among the first, as many republicans were to point out that wikileaks were the gru front. i've never altered that. we are still very concerned that what happened in 2016, the counter intelligence campaign launched against the president and his campaign over an alleged collusion that mr. mueller determined did not occur. the one thing we can take from the mueller report there was no collusion. we believe we can find out why that counterintelligence investigation was begun that leads us to the mysterious professor mifser. i believe we should wait for
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john durham and attorney general's barr's report. and we ought not to mischaracterize other people's proposition. i am saying one thing and one thing only. if adam schiff is a man of integrity, he will release the transcript of thursday's hearing. >> michelle, you want to respond? >> i find it so extraordinarily hard to have a debate. of course that's not what robert mueller's report established. robert mueller's report established that despite many, many meetings, despite the knack that donald trump's campaign asked for russian helped, received russian help and then took steps to cash and then took steps that were considered positive to russia in the aftermath of, that he said that despite all this, we cannot prove a criminal conspiracy. the report never, ever, ever said there is no collusion. the only person whoever said that was bob barr, who is kind of bringing a similar level of dishonesty to this globe trotting investigation that he is now undertaking trying to undermine the entire basis for the mueller investigation in the first place.
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>> you keep -- you've said here two or three times tonight you want adam schiff to release the transcripts, but aren't they in the middle of a series, they have witnesses coming in this week? aren't they in the middle of a series of interviews, and this is not about just releasing transcripts for each testimony. this is about seeing if they establish what you claim they have not established. and why has not the president and the white house released the actual transcript between he and mr. zelensky, the head of state of the ukraine? not a summation, not this is what i said. and clearly say this is the word for word transcript. i'll release others that i put on another server, including putin, including others in saudi arabia, because now we find that they put this on another server, something that he went into several kinds of crazy around hillary clinton. why don't they just release
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everything that was on the server and release the entire transcript with zelensky? you're talking about adam schiff. that interview happened a couple of days ago. they've got all this stuff. why don't you release me? why don't you join me right now in saying release that right now, mr. president? >> absolutely not, al. i care about the office of the presidency. i believe that president obama, president trump, and the next president and the presidents after that, whether it be elizabeth warren or pete buttigieg ought to be able to talk to national leaders of other countries without fear that the national leader of the other country will not speak candidly for fear we will be releasing transcripts. >> ransoming aid and asking them to go after an opponent. >> we don't believe he did that. >> why don't we release the transcripts and find out? inquiring minds want to know? >> because i don't want to destroy the presidency. >> we'll speak with you later in the program. coming up, they call it texidus.
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why six republicans announced they will not seek reelection for congress in 2020. does it have anything to do with president trump? first, here is my colleague richard lui with other stories for covering this hour. >> a manhunt is under way in kansas city after a suspect shot nine people, killing four of them in a bar. police say it is an isolated incident that took place in a hispanic neighborhood in kansas city. authorities say they are searching for at least one suspect there. a main witness from the murder trial of a white dallas cop was shot to death. joshua brown gave emotional testimony during the trial last week of former officer amber guyger. brown's death came just two days after a jury sentenced guyger to just ten years in prison. brown was a neighbor of the victim in the case and guyger. four homeless men were killed and a fifth is in critical condition. police say a 24-year-old man, also homeless, went on a rampage in new york's chinatown,
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bludgeoning his victims with a heavy metal pipe while they slept on sidewalks. they say the attacks were apparently committed at random. more "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton, right after the break. (engines rev) the only thing better than horsepower... ...is more horsepower. (engines rev) if we were for everyone, we'd be for no one. with dodge power dollars, more power means more cash allowance. purchase now and get $10 per horsepower. that's $7,970 on the srt challenger hellcat redeye.
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for the most part, the impeachment inquiry has left congressional republicans struggling to defend the president's actions. and now a handful of red state republicans are quietly bowing
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out of their reelection races. just this past week, republican congressman mac thornberry of texas announced he will not seek another term in 2020. he joins five other departing jump shot lawmakers leaving many to wonder if the quote/unquote texidus movement could allow texas to turn blue next november. joining me now is democratic congressman al green of texas. he is a member of the house financial services committee. congressman, we heard about texaco. we have another republican congressman saying this week they will not run. and people should know nationwide texas has the largest republican delegation to the congress, 23 people. so this is significant to see this number of republicans saying that they will not run for reelection in your state.
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>> thank you for having me, reverend al. you're imminently correct. texas does have a large delegations, 23, and 6 democrats. of the six that are leaving, that is a combined 75 years of republican experience that the party will be losing. and there is a good likelihood that two of these seats will be taken by democrats. mr. hurd's seat is clearly one democrats have within reach, and also with pete olson leaving here in the houston area, that leaves his seat up for grabs without an incumbent being there. i do think that much of this is associated with the trump effect, and that is persons not wanting to be associated with the president and some of the things that he is doing currently as well as things that he's already done that clearly are impeachable. >> you are the first member of congress to stand up and call for impeachment. how you looking now as the process has began toward an
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impeachment inquiry? what are you thinking? what you seeing and what are you hoping? >> well, thank you again. we called for impeachment because there were impeachable actions. initially we talked about obstruction of justice. and i see now that this is progressing. i think that the whole questions surrounding what happened in ukraine is a legitimate question that has to be called to the attention of all of the congress people, especially with the notes that have been released from the telephone conversation. presidents can't ask for personal favors and withhold funds that congress has already dually allocated and caused to be available to be received by a country. the president clearly is out of bounds. and we have to call him on this. if we fail to do so, we fail to elip name guardrails completely and god only know what's the president will do next.
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>> you are on the financial services committee. we are hearing there is a third whistle-blower. we know of two, a third whistle-blower around the president's taxes. do you have any information you could share with us on that? >> well, i can only tell you this, that we are investigating unsafe lending practices that can have a broad effect on the nation's economy. and i think this is very important. it just so happens we have subpoenaed records from the president associated with some of his various companies that he has control over. we also have received hundreds of thousands of pages of information. and i can tell you based upon what i have read in the newspapers, try to stay away from some of the things we're investigating because these things are being litigated. in fact, we have a case currently pending in the second court of appeals after having one in the federal district
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court in manhattan, new york. but i can tell you this, that there was suspicious activity reports filed in jacksonville that went to new york, and the manager there's did not file them with the treasury department. this is all public information. this could cause a lot of concern for the public. there is a whistle-blower. i cannot go anything more. >> all right. let me ask you on another subject then, texas. we saw the trial in dallas of amber guyger, the former police officer who killed botham jean in his own home, and she was convicted of murder and given ten years, which many of us felt should have been more. now we're told that one of the key witnesses were killed last night, and many of us are calling for an investigation as to what happened. certainly we're not wildly throwing out that this was connected, but it is a major
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concern. as a congressman in that state, how do you feel about the outcome of the guyger trial? and will you join others and say what i'm saying that we need to know what is -- what led up to or is behind the shooting of this key witness 24 hours after she was in fact sentenced? >> reverend, he will join you and other colleagues i'm sure who will ask for frag investigation. this is highly suspect. it's something that we ought to look into where you have few facts, you have a lot of speculation. and people are already starting to speculate about this. the trial itself was one that found the accused guilty. i think that based on the evidence as i have seen it that that was an appropriate verdict. i think there will always be some dispute, however, about the sentencing portion of the phase of the trial. use know, our trials are bifurcated in texas. >> right. >> and i think there are a good
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many people who believe had the tables been reversed, just change the colors of the people involved, that you probably would have had different sentencing. and i think that's something that we have to always be concerned with. >> congressman al green, thank you for being with us. >> thank you, reverend. coming up, a segment i don't necessarily like to do but i fool i must. the week in hate, next. do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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we're back at the end of yet another week and yet another week of hate. this one involving two federal court cases playing out in maryland and in new jersey. both involving officers of the law. both involving racial terror. we start thursday in maryland where a coast guard officer found to be an avowed white supremacist pleaded guilty to federal gun and drug charges after the fbi found a straight-up arsenal in his home earlier this year, allegedly fitting a plan described by prosecutors to, quote, murder innocent civilians on a scale
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rarely seen in this country, all to build a self-described white homeland. among the evidence found by investigators, a hit list of democratic politicians and tv journalists, including some of my msnbc colleagues, an email from 2017 reading, quote, i'm dreaming of a way to kill almost every last person on earth. and a google search of the phrase "civil war if trump impeached." meanwhile, in new jersey, jurists continued their deliberation in the federal hate crime trial of a white new jersey police chief accused of slamming an unarmed handcuffed black teenager's head into a door. witnesses, including fellow cops and a secret recording played in court last month revealed the
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officer frequently used the "n" word on the job, compared black suspects to the terror group isis, and called donald trump, quote, the last hope for white people, end quote. i find it more instructive to wait a while between additions of this segment, because these stories will inevitably pile up, proving my point, that while not every hate crime in the trump era takes its cues from the president, there are far too many like these that do. we'll be right back. performance comes in lots of flavors. there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. and then there's performance that just leaves you feeling better as a result. that's the kind lincoln's about. ♪
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the president is doubling, if not tripling down on his attacks on joe biden this week, openly inviting both ukraine and china to investigate the former vice president and his son hunter. at first, slow to respond, biden hit back at trump on the campaign trail friday. >> all this talk of the president about corruption comes from the most corrupt president we've had in modern history. he is the definition of corruption. this is a guy that's unhinged. he is unhinged. i worry about what he's going to do, not about me or my family. i'm worried what he'll do in the next year of the presidency as this thing continues to rot on his watch. >> and biden also took the fight to the pages of "the washington post," in an op-ed writing,
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quote, to trump and those who facilitate his abuses of power and all the special interest funding his attacks against me, please know that i'm not going anywhere. you won't destroy me and you won't destroy my family. and come november 2020, i intend to beat you like a drum. joining me now is a surrogate for the biden campaign, democratic congresswoman lisa blunt rochester of delaware. congresswoman rochester, first, thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you, reverend al. >> you come from vice president biden's home state. what impact do you feel these attacks the president is now buying television time for his supporters, running commercials, what impact will that have on the biden campaign, and why do you think he is so narrowly focused on trying to go after
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mr. biden and his family? >> well, first of all, again, reverend al, i want to thank you so much for having me on your show. you know, i think it's pretty clear. it's pretty obvious that the reason the president is attacking joe biden is joe biden is the one he is most afraid to run against. you know, i can tell you that attacks, it's incredible to me that he's come up with these baseless attacks, but the fact that before the election he was involved in abuse of power and now after his election is now calling on foreign powers to try to intervene in our elections, to really damage our democracy, and ultimately, to hurt our national security, it is something that i think all americans, i don't care if you're democrat, republican or independent, you should really be concerned about that. so as far as joe biden is
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concerned, we know that he is a strong candidate. we know that the president is really afraid to run against him. and it is really incumbent upon democrats and republicans to hold the president accountable for these acts. >> "the new york times" had a front page story today saying that it took the biden campaign a few days to figure out how to deal with this, whether they ignore it and just stay on policy, whether to deal with it. and they finally have come back fighting it. do you think there was a concern that some of the media around the accusations were in some ways weakening him with his support? have you been able to in your own moving around feel that some of your supporters are concerned about this? or do you think the opposite is true, that people are saying what you're saying, he must be afraid of biden and might even in some inadvertent way strengthen mr. biden?
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>> you know, i can tell you that, you know, like i said, it's clear that the president is concerned. and i think this is why this is the direction that he's gone in. but what i hear from people is that we have the take lessons from the 2016 election. we can't -- in the words of spike lee, we cannot be bamboozled this time. so we've got to keep our eyes on the prize. i think this is sort of more of the bait and switch that we see. you know, it's funny. i give a lot of speeches in my state, and a lot of times i'll just reach up on a bookshelf to try to find an inspiration, and have i this little book of quotes that i found, and i opened it up and these were franklin delano roosevelt quotes. it said "representation does not transform a lie into a truth." right now we have a lot of lying going on. and i don't care how many times you say it, it doesn't become the truth. so i think we need to keep our eyes on the prize and remember
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joe biden is the person who cuts across america. he's got support whether it's south carolina to the rocky mountains to the bronx and brooklyn. that scares our president which is why he set his sights on him early on. you know, i don't do a lot of television, as you know, reverend al. >> yes, i do know. >> i felt compelled to come on here and tell people keep your eyes on the prize. this is about our country. this is about our democracy. and we can't allow, we can't allow somebody to just kind of run roughshod over what our values are and who we are. joe biden has a demonstrated history of getting things done across the aisle, but he also has a vision for america that includes our children and our grandchildren and our grandparents. so, again, thing is a lot of fear out there, but people are also weary of the negativity.
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>> are you concerned, congresswoman, are you concerned that in the last polls and i'm talking even before the ukraine issues started this week that mr. biden is starting to go down, even in some areas in the african american community? that the quinnipiac poll has elizabeth warren beating him by two points now and this is the first time we've seen in the last several polls that he's not actually the front-runner and that he only raised $15 million as opposed to $24 million by elizabeth warren, $25 million by bernie sanders. it seems that his initial dominance in this race is eroding. are you concerned about that? >> what i would first say, again, back to the lessons of 2016. there were polls that had our
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candidate, hillary clinton, ahead. we can't depend on the polls. now we use polls and we use dollars as metrics to help us evaluate how candidates are doing. but in the end, it is really the votes that count, you know. and i can speak from experience. this was the first time i ever ran in 2016, and, you know, the polls changed. the dollars changed, but what ultimately mattered was the votes. and so when you say, you know, is there a concern, i think it makes us double down and say we've got to be out there to the american people, telling the story of joe biden, letting them know what the vision is, and let the voters make the decision in the end, because polls don't vote and that's really the bottom line. >> joe biden you've known and i've known. i'm not endorsing him in this race, but i do know he is a tough guy. >> he is. >> and he is not going to back down from a fight, not easily. >> he is not going to back down from a fight, and he also is a
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selfless person. he didn't have to step out here to do this, but he cares so much about this country, and he cares so much about the families and about our world, because right now on the world stage we are being threatened. and so i wanted to be here so people will know, number one, joe, if you're watching, we got your back. and for whether you are a millennial, whether you are a senior, whether you are in the rust belt or the midwest, we care about you and joe biden's got your back as well. >> congresswoman lisa blunt rochester, thank you for giving us one of your rare tv appearances. >> thank you so much, reverend al. happy belated birthday. >> thank you. up next, how much will the impeachment investigation dominate the conversation in the 202010 race? we'll discuss it next. be right back. k. ♪
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as the impeachment inquiry into president trump's abuses of power continues, 2020 candidates will have to thread the needle while campaigning with voters.
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according to a recent usa today poll, a priority of americans now say they approve of impeachment. but is that all voters want to hear about? back with me "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg and conservative radio host hugh hewitt. michelle, obviously this impeachment inquiry has taken -- sucked a lot of the air out of the room in terms of immediate time. how will it affect the primary races for the democrats? and if there is in fact an impeachment, how will it affect, in your opinion, the 2020 race? >> well, i think that the biggest losers of the impeachment inquiry so far in the primary are some of the kind of second tier candidates who are really struggling to get oxygen and attention. it just makes it that much harder to break through, even though there could be a possible opportunity. i think it's completely -- i
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don't want joe biden to be the nominee, and i've been pretty open about that. but it's scandalous. >> i read your column. i kind of got that impression. >> it is scandalous, and it's seen the way these lies are being deployed against him. whether they're going to be effective or not, i fell like i can't judge. but that could be potentially a boon to some of the other candidates, even though i don't think any candidate wants to win the primary that way. >> you -- how do you feel that this will affect the election and putting your hat, you and i may disagree on politics, but you're one of the smart analysts and the preservers of politics in this country, no doubt about it. how does this affect as an outsider looking at the democratic primaries who may win that nomination, if at all? and if the president is impeached, how will it affect the 2020 election, general election? >> well, thank you, al. i think you've got happy
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birthday cheer overflowing in your cup there. i appreciate that. i want to take the opportunity to agree with michelle. that's rare. she's right. the people who were low in the polls can't get any oxygen. the person i thought was going to run away with this, kamala harris, can't get back on the stage while impeachment is sucking the air out. e air out. i had not heard of that until the whistle-blower put his complaint out there. that means elizabeth warren, elizabeth warren will lose wisconsin. she's made for donald trump to beat her. i think the democrats have to start looking at secretary clinton.
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i just wonder if secretary clint clinton. >> you're frowning. all of the polls show elizabeth warren beating donald trump in those three states. and as the idea that she is kind of less viable than hillary clinton, she in some ways -- in some kind of -- in some surface ways, they're similar. but she is a populist. she certainly doesn't have the baggage of having been too friendlybe to wall street, of having been too cozy with i
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think there are a democrats that joe biden's electability argument is falling apart a little bit, and her electability argument is getting stronger because she is running against corruption.
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thrown out of the speakership. and i believe unlike 1974, when republicans were drubbed at the polls in the aftermath of the resignation of president nixon, that this is up in the air. it's a jump ball. and it will remain a jump ball until we see everything including u.s. attorney durham's report, until we understand what hunter biden did for whom and what reason. until we have the binary choice before us of donald trump versus a democrat. that's what we need. >> michelle, maybe i heard it wrong. but did i hear hugh hewitt say that al gore was the winner in 2000? >> right. and i think that -- >> it took
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>> paid the price and moved us forward, even when it looked darker than it does now. i think about how dr. martin luther king jr. and that
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movement changed america and didn't have the things tha they didn't have social media. they changed the country on rotary phones. there were nory emails. there was no twitter. there was determination. and people much tougher and stronger in their misdeeds than the peopleee we face today. i also told them that's why i'm glad that i was raised and mentored by people, yes, it's my birthday weekend, but it's the birthday of two of the mentors that have helped shape me and my generation. today, reverend joseph lowry, who chaired martin luther king's southern christian leadership conference and later became president and gave his whole life to fighting, he's still here, 98 years old today. on tuesday, my mentor reverend jesseen jackson will be 78 year old. still here, still fighting. though he announced he had
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parkinson's, he's still moving around the h country. they saw much worse than what i saw. and what you see, and kept fighting, and kept moving, and that's why weov were able to ma some progress. we should never forget, it may be dark, but it's been darker than this. hold yourth light up and take ay the darkness. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next saturday, 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next, "meet the press" with chuck todd. this sunday, a democracy in crisis. >> i have an actual obligation. >> a president trump says out ld what democrats have been accusinge him of doing, pressuring ukraine to conduct investigations that would help him politically. >> i would think if they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into thema bidens. >> and then says china should, too. >> slikewise, china should sta an investigation into the bidens. >> there's

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