>> the president today on the dignifies transfer of remains at dover. that will bring our wednesday night broadcast to a close. thank you for being here with us and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. this was probably bound to happen. i think we should have known this was coming. i'm not sure we could have known that it would finally come out right in the middle of the impeachment proceedings against the president for asking a foreign country to help him against the democrats in the next election. i don't think we could have known it would come out in the middle of this but it was going to come out sometime. so why not now, right? when it rains, it pours. the reason we should have known this was going to come out at some point was because not that long ago,less than a year ago, it was spelled out clear as day in public by a recently fired trump cabinet official, and this sort of stuck in my crawl at the time, it was rex tillerson that

said it and i'm obsessed with rex tillerson and personally, i'll just let you know, at the time rex tillerson made these remarks, i was in the middle of writing my book, which is just come out in the past week and if you have seen the book, you may have noticed that it is more about rex tillerson than any other single person. i'm obsessed with rex tillerson. i've remembered all utterances of him since trump plucked him out of exxonmobil and made him secretary of state even though he never met him before. in december of last year, tillerson had been fired already, and he did an interview that was a live event on stage in front of an audience in texas and rex tillerson talking to cbs' bob sheafer and in that instance, my friend, rex tillerson let us know this was coming. >> how would you describe donald trump? [ laughter ]

>> well, most of you probably know, know some of this but i had never met donald trump until the day he asked me to be secretary of state. he acts on his instincts and some respects that looks like impulsiveness but it's not his intent to act on impulse. i think he really is trying to act on his instincts. was challenging for me coming from the disciplined, highly processed oriented exxonmobil corporation to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn't like to read, doesn't read briefing reports, doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things but rather just kind of says look, this is what i believe and you can try to convince me otherwise, but most of the time you're not going to do that. >> how did your relationship go off the rails? >> well, i think part of it was obviously we are starkly

different in our styles. we did not have a common value system. when the president would say well, here's what i want to do and here's how i want to do it and i'd have to say to him, well, mr. president, i understand what you want to do but you can't do it that way, it violates the law. it violates treaty. mr. tillerson, did you just say that the president asked you to do things, multiple things that violate the law? you're saying he asked you to crime a little bit for him? multiple times? and you're just now tells us after you've been fired? when the president asked you to commit crimes while you were serving as secretary of state, did you do it at the time and now, sir, would you like to elaborate. that is all he would say. i'd have to say to him, well, mr. president i understand what you want to do, but you can't do it that way because it violates the law, nervous laughter from the audience.

all right. so tillerson has said this outloud. you could have bet in that moment at some point what he was talking about there would come out. well, now in the middle of president trump being impeached for allegedly abusing the powers of his office, an allegation to which he has frankly confessed, bloomberg news reporters have finally got that story. all these months later, they have figured out at least part of what that was about and if reporting bears out and house of representatives now is drafting articles of impeachment among other things is about this president abusing powers of office, this will turn out to be a time for this one to have finally come to the surface. now, what bloomberg is reporting tonight is something that has to do with this case. this was the press release that was put out by the u.s. attorney's office in the southern district of new york about the unsealing of an

indictment against a really, really, really really rich turkish guy arrested in the united states in the last year of the obama administration. he was arrested in march of 2016 and brought to new york where prosecutors, federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york put him on trial for what they described as a multi billion-dollar basically a money laundering scheme. but a money laundering scheme with a specific purpose. this guy, this gold trader was using his sprawling international business as an international laundromat which hit basically the source of funds and ultimate destination and the point of doing it was to allow companies and individuals to illegally do business with iran. right? iran is subject to crippling economic sanctions, international trade,

international business with iran and most parts of the world is a serious criminal acts in violation of the sanctions so running an enter national money laundering operation to facilitate lots of different people being able to evade those sanctions and illegally do business with iran to the tune of billions of dollars, i mean, that was a huge national security case, but that was also a real kingpin-type operation for sbny but they got the guy and put him on trial. that's how they were going after this rich turkish gold trader they arrested in 2016. the gold trader did not appear to be running this scheme totally under ground, totally on his say so without anybody knowing about it. he had, it turned out, very, very close ties to the glove of turkey, to the president of turkey erdogan and his family. when hi got arrested in 2016,

turkey and erdogan went nuts about it. they started going after the -- they started going after personally and specifically pete bharara and specifically singled out and started attacking the judge in the southern district of new york who was hearing that case and i know judges have u.s. marshals' protection for a reason. judges get threatened and have to deal with angry defendants and dangerous people all the time but to have the government of a foreign country, one of the supposed nato allies running an op against a u.s. judge and singling out and threatening a u.s. judge for overseeing the case of a turkish guy. that was scary stuff. that was intense. that was odd. and then it got more odd. the president's first national security advisor, a man named mike flynn as you know he is now awaiting sentencing after

pleading guilty to lying to investigators about his secret communications with the russian government about sanctions during the presidential transition. but you might remember that as part of mike flynn pleading guilty is the fact he had been an undeclared foreign agent. he had secretly been on the payroll of the turkish government while serving on the campaign. the brilliant lead in the "new york times", the first day that was reported, this was actually before flynn pled guilty and admitted to it in court was the brilliant stanza as the lead paf graph from reporters said quote, the candidate he was advising last fall was running on a platform of america first. the client he was working for last fall was paying more than half a million dollars to put turkey first. mike flynn was on the tush kirk government's payroll.

right? the mike flynn saga is not over. he's not been sentenced. his case is taking sort of a weird turn in the last few months. he's adopted a new set of lawyers who are fox news fixtures and appears to be aggressively shopping for a pardon from president trump so among other things, he doesn't have to spend any time in prison at all but one of the things mike flynn was invested for when he admit in court to the fact he had been on the payroll of this foreign country was this question if turkey offered a bunch more money to mike flynn, a lot more money, millions of dollars to mike flynn if flynn could use his influence with the government and trump administration to get that rich turkish gold trader guy freed from prison.

this turkish guy, he's under arrest for this really terrible set of allegations involving him basically allegedly running an international operation to property up the iranian economy with illegal money that evades sanctions. turkey goes after the prosecutor, turkey goes over the judge and to the best of your recollection turkey tells mike flynn he'll get millions of dollars if he frees that guy and the guy arrested for this scheme at some point along the line realizes he needs a special lawyer for this face of his case and he hires a man named rudy giuliani to be one of his lawyers well now what bloomberg news is reporting is rex tillerson said president trump sometimes asked him to crime, sometimes asked him to do thinking illegal according to bloomberg news, one of the acts president trump solicited from tillerson was that he asked for

him to interfere with the justice department, to get that turkish gold trader guy sprung from prison to lean on the justice department and stop the prosecution of the guy and interfere with pete bharara and sdny to get them to stop the prosecution. quote, president donald trump pressed then secretary of state rex tillerson to help persuade the justice department to drop a criminal case against an iranian turkish gold trader according to three people familiar with the 2017 meeting in the oval office. according to these three sources, tillerson quote refused the president's request arguing it would constitution interference in an on going investigation and the same sources saying the other people in the oval office meeting and heard president trump make this request to tillerson, they were quote shocked by the request.

after tillerson said no to this request from the president, according to bloomberg tonight, tillerson then stepped out of the oval office into a hallway outside the oval where he quote repeated his objections to then chief of staff john kelly. emphasizing that the request was for something that would be illegal. now again, bloomberg says they have got three sources here. i'm dying to know who they are. i mean, i'm dying to know if, you know, is rex tillerson one? i don't know. they are not saying who their sources are so we don't know. we do know according to bloomberg's reporting this meeting where trump asked tillerson to commit this crime occurred in the second half of 2017, which i think means that this would have happened after james comey had testified that president trump had asked him to intervene with the justice department to quash the criminal

investigation into mike flynn and led to very serious investigation of the president himself, a national uproar. not like the president would have known asking someone to lean on the justice department to stop a prosecution would be a kosher thing for a president to do. we do know that by late the following year after tillerson was fired by trump, he was willing to say on the record that the president had in fact asked him to do illegal stuff, we don't know if tillerson said that to bob or one of the illegal requests the president made of him is this one bloomberg is reporting but i'm desperate to know the answer to that, too. i mean, this would be a remarkable story at any time in any presidency, right? president intervening to crash investigation of connected serious national security -- president beating the drum, banging his chest about iran all the time and then intervenes to try to get a guy evading iranian sanctions to the tunes of

billions of dollars, he personally intervenes to get the justice department to stop that prosecution. he tries to get a member of his cabinet to pressure the justice department on this -- on his behalf. i mean, that's the kind of thing for which presidents can get impeached. so for this story from bloomberg to arrive tonight, when impeachment against this president is in full swing, it's just -- i mean, it's wednesday. let's see what thursday is like tomorrow this is our life now. within the past 24 hours, the trump white house sent this bizarre letter to the house of representatives declaring impeachment is unconstitutional which is amazing given it is quite literally in the constitution of the united states. if you want a little snapshot how the president's defense is going against the full steam ahead impeachment proceedings, consider the white house is arguing that impeachment is

unconstitutional while the president's lawyers are simultaneously arguing in court that prosecutors aren't allowed to investigate the president at all because the only constitutional remedy to the potential crimes is impeachment. so they are saying he can't be investigated criminally. he can only be impeached and he definitely can't be impeached and if the house tries, they are trying to take on a law enforcement role they can't take on because that behavior is reserved for prosecutors but again prosecutors aren't allowed to look at him and the house can't impeach him, either. the point they may not -- i think the nice way to say this, they may have their eyes on their feet. on the immediate next step they need to take to try to answer these immediate legal questions that are confronting them but the president's lawyers and justice department lawyers who are effectively acting as the president's lawyers now are

making explicitly mutually exclusive arguments about why the president's crimes or alleged crimes can't be held against him by any process. eventually those contradictions are going to knock down one side or the other and eventually run out of room to run legally speaking. after a brutal day for the president in federal court in washington d.c. yesterday, the court hearing in which the chief judge of the d.c. district court exclaimed out loud in a hearing the word wow about the justice department's arguments that their take on presidential immunity extends to the position that actually watergate was okay. nixon should never have been impeached by the house for watergate, they never should have been allowed to have the evidence that let them draw up articles of impeachment because that evidence never should have been handed over to congress, wow, the judge said in response to that. after that brutal day in federal court yesterday, today the justice department was basically forced to concede to that court that they are going to now start

they will start to hand over those materials to congress including at least some version of the fbi with don mcgahn, the former white house counsel. the trump white house tried to block that from happening from the very beginning. they continue to try to block all witnesses from testifying in all congressional investigations including the impeachment proceedings. we're now learning they may be trying to block the woman you see on the right side of your screen here, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. she was expected to give a deposition to the impeachment committees on friday morning. our suggestions now that the white house is going to try to block her from making that appearance. the white house refusing to hand over documents, refusing to acknowledge or respond to subpoenas that and refusing to allow witnesses to testify and the white house making weird assertions of privilege that don't exist in the law is a point of contention between the white house and congress all along. but in light of this impeachment inquiry, it will be much more than that.

the house of representatives now appears to be moving quickly towards drawing up the details of all of this obstruction from the white house and from the president specifically into an initial article of impeachment against president trump. just as the first article of impeachment against richard nixon in 1974 was about obstruction and appears the house is moving to make the first article against trump an obstruction article, as well. it appears to be the first one they are working on in detail. in the course of drawing up that article, the house is going to start getting all the obstruction materials collected about the president by the fbi in the course of that previous investigation that led to the mueller report. all right? the white house and the justice department had been desperately trying to block that but the house is about to start getting those materials. i mean, that's going to be icing on the cake in terms of them being able to write up a pattern of president's behavior including multiple allegations of his willingness to interfere and his efforts to interfere in

on going justice department criminal investigations. and now look, as of tonight, here is a brand-new one. with three sources to bloomberg news. something that rex tillerson, i think, basically raised his hand and alerted to us months ago. it's now finally coming out. joining us now is one of three bloomberg news reporters who just broke this scoop tonight. thanks for joining us. congratulations on this story. >> thanks for having me. >> so i summed up -- tried to sum up what you and your colleagues reported tonight and what i previously understood. i want to know and be blunt and tell me if i got everything right there. >> that was an extremely impressive summation of a very complicated case. >> okay. well, that was nice of you to say. let me ask you about this report that -- this detailed reporting that you have, three sources who are available. you report that secretary of state tillerson recognized the

president's request he should intervene in this case as illegal. recognize that in the moment as illegal and immediately rejected it because it would constitution interference in an on going investigation and conveyed that to the white house chief of staff john kelly. if this was in 2017, do you have any sense and talk about why this might becoming out now? >> i think what is going on is a lot of us were very interested, you know, after the ukraine impeachment, the whistle blower complaint came out, we just started digging around on, you know, what other phone calls or interactions the president would have had and, you know, over the course of his term so far and, you know, have spoken to many people who said that there were many calls the president made and many meetings he had where there were inappropriate things that were said, whether it's state department officials or white house officials who as in the whistle blower case in the ukraine phone call were shocked sometimes or at the very least alarmed or felt something inappropriate was going on and

as i just looked for more of those cases, i spoke with people close to the president who essentially said that hey, this was one that not only had the president asked tillerson to do something about this case but that he had also asked tillerson to talk to giuliani so that also obviously got my spidey sense tingling. >> do we know if anybody other than rex tillerson, rex tillerson according to your reporting didn't do this and shocked and decided it was illegal. do we know if anybody else ever did approach the justice department and lean on them about this prosecution? i know from the case of this gold trader that it took some pretty radical twists and turns before that case was over. do we know if this request from the president was ever carried out by anyone else? >> no, well, what happened in

the end was that he essentially turned state's evidence and agreed to cooperate in a case against a turkish bank and turkish banking executive. all along during the course of the trial, the state department was essentially tasked with the job of trying to see if there could be some diplomatic bargain arranged between turkey and the u.s. and this was at the direction of the president to see if there could be some sort of trade made. in the end, we know obviously that the department of justice did not allow this to go through, but this was -- i mean, rudy giuliani was hired by zarab to find some sort of solution outside the confines of the courthouse. i was well-known at the time rudy was open about the fact this is what he was doing and

the machinery of the government at least of the state department was tasked with trying to help see if some sort of accommodation could be reached. >> i have to ask you, nick, nbc news, since i've been on the air i got handed to me a piece of paper that suggests or tells me, it was a hit job and said it was representing him for a possible prison and change. i have to ask for your response calling your work a hit job tonight. >> well, he did speak, my colleague stephanie baker spoke extensively to rudy for the story. he initially denied he had spoken to the president but about half way down we have a pretty extensive quote from rudy saying well maybe i did and maybe i didn't and i may have mentioned his name once of twice so we got inconsistent answers

from rudy on whether or not he had actually spoken to president trump and then he also point blank refused to answer. >> that was exactly the quote i was looking through here. giuliani said he disclosed that and declined to spike directly to tillerson about the case saying you have no right to know that. remarkable reporting especially given the kind of -- the three sides of the story by that one source. nick, thanks for this and congratulations to you and your colleagues. >> thanks a lot. >> state department reporter for bloomberg news. this story tonight they are breaking, that according to three sources with direct knowledge of the incident in late 2017 president trump reportedly urged a cabinet official to go lean and stop an

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the u.s. military divides the whole world into different combat command areas. all of europe is covered by the united states and africa is covered under u.s. africa command, which they call africom. it's headquarters in germany which is not in africa at all, not even a little bit. but all of these things are a little weird, dividing up the world into spears of combatant responsibility is hard to get your head around but when it comes to the middle east, the

whole middle east is covered by something called u.s. central command. now why is it central command? i don't know, perhaps because it is the middle east central and middle, close enough. in any case, they abbreviate that. you're a big deal in the u.s. military and global military operations given the enormity for the u.s. the man that was head of it until early they are year is general joseph votel and he's done something those leaders really don't often do. general joseph votel wrote an article for the atlantic magazine sounding the alarm about something president trump just did. the syrian civil war, i know, is hard for a lot of americans to follow closely and been going on for a long time.

american policy has certainly been a jumble but the basic lay of the land from our military's perspective right now is whatever the other equities are in that civil war, the apocalypse terrorist group isis, them setting up their world headquarters in syria and taking over that country and using them as an operating base is something the u.s. believed to be worth fighting against. that said, without any desire to launch a full-scale u.s. ground invasion of that part of the world, and mindful of the fact that isis had only been able to set up the world headquarters there in a vacuum of authority because of the middle -- of being in the middle of an on going civil war, the u.s. decided that the way to try to combat that was to find local forces who had their own interest in fighting isis for their own reasons and we would

find local forces that are good fighters against isis fighting for their reasons and enhance thefectiveness and took awhile and a few false starts for the u.s. to find the right group to bolster in the fight but then we found the group that the u.s. military believe to be the right group. as general votel wrotes today in this piece in "the atlantic" the decision to partner with the kurdish allies beginning with the fight in 2014 was made against two -- excuse me shs was made across two administrations and required years of deliberation and planning. eventually, that fighting force became the backbone of the entire fighting force against isis in syria. quote, that force went on to liberate the so-called capital of the caliphate raqqah and syria in the river valley come cull men nating in the territory. quote over four years that

source, the syrian defense force freed tens of thousands of square miles and millions of people from the grip of isis throughout the long fight, the sdf sustained 11,000 casualties by comparison, six u.s. service members have been killed in the anti isis campaign. that is the force that the u.s. military decided to support and bolster rather than doing the fighting in the front lines ourself. that is the force president trump has now decided to abandon. to let turkey invade the ground that they've been holding so turkey can take it for themselves. our kurdish allies who u.s. troops have been fighting alongside for five years against isis are looking down the barrel of what could be mass slaughter apparently approved on a whim by president trump after he got off a phone call with the turkish president a few nights ago. one senior u.s. defense official telling cnn today quote we are just watching the second largest

army in nato, the turks, we're just watching the second largest army in nato attack one of our best counterterrorism partners. among the imminent threats at hand now because of what trump has done is the potentially re lease of thousands of foreign fighters from isis who are allies, the kurds had been holding prisoner in the region turkey is invading. the kurds are warning they are not going to be able to keep guarding prisoners now, not at least in the long run, not if they have to instead prepare to go fight against the second largest army and nato after us which president trump green lit and while president trump has pulled our troops out of the way to let our allies be attacked. now why president trump did this remains something of a mystery. we'll get expert help on that coming up later in the show but i think it is worth noting that while turkey and russia do not

have exactly allied interest in the syrian civil war, turkey and russia are coordinating against our allies, the one for which u.s. troops were pulled out of the way so turkey could clear the area to their own tune. turkey and russia appear to be coordinating on this and both turkey and russia have been pressing and pressing and pressing for the u.s. to get our troops out of their way in syria. despite whatever differences they might have be between them they want to settle things the way they want on their terms in a way they dictate through the united states. sent calm or not. we got more ahead. stay with us. that's next. blind, the different. subaru presents the underdogs. these shelter dogs still love unconditionally. they're just hoping to find their human,

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it began this morning, turkey launching an assault on syria against a kurdish fighting force that has been a critical ally of the united states and that u.s. troops have been working alongside for the past five years. this assault today which started in syria comes four days after president trump made this no warning surprise announcement that he would order u.s. troops pulled back from that part of syria basically to allow turkey to do what it wants there. kurdish families tonight are fleeing the city of kobani because president trump ordered

u.s. troops to basically abandon allies, they feel like they have nowhere else to go and nobody else to turn to and with the policy change they are still as they flee their city seeking out the u.s. or that u.s. base in search of american protection. joining us now is wendy sherman, under secretary of state. madam am -- ambassador, pleasure. >> thank you. >> if we could start with you setting me straight on this surprise you turn decision by president trump and what happened sense. let me ask you if you got any of that wrong? >> you laid it out quite well as usual. what is happening is the president used his own words in the great and utmost wisdom has put the united states on the side of a genocide. it is likely to take place in the days ahead. there's word tonight from "the

washington post" david is reporting that in fact there will be a ground and air assault within the next 24 hours and relentless. the russians are working with turkey on this assault and it is going to be just utterly appalling it got bipartisan support for sanctions against turkey and the united states senate. it seems to be the one place where the senators can agree. >> as far as i understand it and again, i reserve the right to be wrong here because i find this to be difficult to get information as this is starting to change so quickly. as far as i understand it, there are about 1,000 u.s. troops in syria. with what is happening now with what you're reporting or david is reporting what may be about to happen with escalation, i have to ask about the safety of

u.s. troops in the environment and given the rules of engagement they are operating there and the question of whether or not those u.s. troops are in any continuing position to offer any protection, any shelter, any help in the case of mass civilian casualties or a genocide. >> this is a terrific question and very concerning one because the president really doesn't want american troops to have anything to do with this and said american troops have nothing to do with this and indeed, only about 50 to 100 troops are being pulled out of northern syria to allow turkey to move in and go forward so indeed, we have a lot of troop there is and although the president is trying to tell his followers that he's getting all the troops out of syria, in fact, he's not and what he's done is green lighted turkey, green lighted russia and really given a present to vladimir putin you implied is trying to

get a foothold in the middle east show that the united states is not a reliable partner and make common calls with turkey, a nato ally, an ally of the united states of america, an ally however that recently bought an air defense system from russia and not from us. >> in terms of russian interest, obviously, the turks have had it out for the kurds for a long time so to attack kurdish forces is direct interest and what we telegraphed for years. in terms of the russian interest here, though, i understand that russia sees syria as effectively the out post in the middle east. i don't clearly understand why turkey and russia would set aside their differences about the syrian civil war to effectively work together here. why this gift turkey would simultaneously be a gift to russia? >> turkey is working hard to

have it all ways. iran is a neighbor of turkey's. they got an air defense system. so turkey is playing a very sophisticated political game here trying to make sure it takes care of all interests and russia who really putin doesn't have a particular except for what is in his personal own interest. if it works to make common calls with turkey to gain control of a part of turkey or have an interest in part of turkey or syria that it never had before, they are all in for the operation. >> wendy sherman, former under secretary of state, msnbc contributor. thank you for your time tonight. all right. more ahead tonight. stay with us. stay with us we call it the mother standard of care.

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they told us that the medical deferred action program was cancelled i started crying and telling my mom i don't want to die. i don't want to die. if i go back to honduras, i will die. >> that was jonathan sanchez about the policy change that threatened his life. they didn't have that allowed gravely ill kids like jonathan to stay in the united states to get life-saving treatment here that they could not get in other countries. in august the trump administration sent letters to kids like jonathan despite the fact they were getting life-saving medical treatment here, they had 33 days to stop the medical treatment and get out of this country. again, the trump administration didn't announce this policy decision, they sent this letting out hoping to get away with it.

jonathan sanchez told his story to local media in boston and testified before congress speaking out despite the overwhelming fear for doing so he might be retaliated against by the trump administration and deported to a country where he could not receive the medical care that's keeping him alive. well, faced with the publicity and public outcry, the general revolt that the trump administration was singling out super sick kids to effectively hand them a death sentence and order them to stop receiving the medical care keeping them alive, the trump administration last month announced that okay, okay, they would reinstate that policy they cancelled. at least that's what they said. today we got new reporting from commonwealth magazine, sarah was at a meeting, both lawmakers and the reversal there is no proof these family's cases will be processed. according to the congresswoman,

attorneys say that none of their clients have actually received formal approval of their medical deferred action claim since administration said out loud they were reinstating the policy. that includes jonathan sanchez whose parents say his application has not been renewed and they are in danger of deportation and attended today's meeting in place of their son without him there today, that's because he's been hospitalized since friday due to complications with his cystic fibrosis, for which he's receiving life-saving care. a lawyer for the family said they haven't heard a peep since the trump administration announced they were reversing course last month. at this point they don't know how alarmed they should be but i mean, watch what they say -- watch what they do, not what they say.

you have to watch what they say to fact check them but look what is happening when they think you're not paying attention on this stuff. they made the announcement to get the public heat off them with actions after the public announcement, so far nothing. there is no reason to believe they have actually rescinded that policy that threatened all those kids. watch this space. we certainly will. pursuing life-changing cures in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells... because it's not just about the next breakthrough... it's all the ones after that.

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one quick last thing, the white house trying to block witnesses from testifying. axios just reported a new request for testimony from the top russia advisor fee hill. he won't know whether she wants to show up or they will let her.

that's just in. that will do it for us tonight. now it's time for "the last >> there is reason to believe she might want to show up. she didn't necessarily leave on the best of terms with the trump white house and i don't like to use the short-hand terms but considered a russia hawk in trump world, that means you disagree with donald trump on just about everything involving russia. >> and, you know, the relationship of her sort of per view under the trump administration and what's happened with this ukraine proceeding, an interesting ask to ask the russia advisor to come in and talk about this ukraine scandal. i would love to hear what she has to say about this. i don't know what sort of leverage that will have to block her but we'll see. >> legally, they don't have any but we'll see what they do. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thanks, rachel.