most of all, thank you for watching and all week. what a week it was. "mtp daily" starts now. ♪ welcome to friday. "mtp daily." i am chuck todd in washington where it has been another wild,er rat i can day of developments, all centering on this question. can the white house and more importantly this president handle this moment. the president is speaking to reporters as he heads to another rally in louisiana. we'll be monitoring that footage when it feeds in. but folks, right now, this white house and the president are reeling from the president's decision to withdraw troops from northern syria and let turkey attack our kurdish allies in the region. blow back so intense, the treasury secretary said the president wants to prepare

sanctions to shut down turkey's economy, but that's it. as the president's allies fume over the decision on syria. u.s. diplomats defying his orders not to cooperate with the house impeachment inquiry. we got testimony from the former ambassador to ukraine, further confirming how conspiracy theories pushed by rudy giuliani infiltrated u.s. foreign policy. she also sounded the alarm how the president's actions were decimating the state department all to the benefit to russia. and don't forget, it was 24 hours ago two of giuliani's associates that helped advance conspiracy theories inside the white house and dig up foreign dirt on the bidens were arrested at dulles airport. one way tickets out of the country. more testimony, more documents from other key witnesses in the house impeachment inquiry are expected throughout next week. amid all of this chaos, last night we saw perhaps the worst version of the president at a rally in minnesota where he viciously went after refugees,

his political rivals and attacks on a private citizen were something we can't in good conscience air on this program. we'll have more on that later in the show. first, we have a lot of news as the white house once again seems as if it is lurching from one crisis to the next, lurching from one strategy to deal with impeachment to the next. joining me with all of the latest, my nbc news colleagues, hans nichols, garrett hague, and richard engle in northern syria. let's start at the white house with hans. i know the president is speaking now, but we did get some developments out of there today. i want to start with the sanctions. i don't quite understand what the treasury secretary announced. he announced they're going to have a list of sanctions that they could implement if the president decides turkey crosses some threshold he has not shared with us. >> reporter: right, it is paperwork. he is preparing paperwork to implement sanctions, but there's

no indication he is close to defining what would trigger sanctions. i hear the helicopter behind me. the motor sounds differently. means he is taking off. the only thing we heard was him threatening economic warfare against turkey, something that he says crosses some sort of here to unknown line that he hasn't really defined. those are the headlines out of this conversation. he also responded to the marie yovanovitch claim, and he is suggesting he dismissed her because he heard from the ukraine president she wasn't that good. that's a new spin on that part. we'll get the full tape and hopefully get it to you. >> let me ask another question. gordon sondland, ambassador to the eu, decided despite state department letter from the secretary of state that he would cooperate with congress. how is the white house handling

that news? >> reporter: they're almost in denial about it. the stark thing about this morning is that the white house didn't know yovanovitch was going to testify. they were watching tv like everyone else. didn't quite seem prepared that he would defy the orders and go out there. for sondland, i will speak up louder because the helicopter is taking off, relates to sondland. he has a statement out there saying he is more than happy to cooperate, but he won't be sharing any text messages or documents because he still says that those belong to the state department. but implicit there is that the state department has some control over him. i still get the sense that the white house is exploring avenues to have sondland not actually testify, but what the legal mechanisms are, doesn't appear they've settled on. >> sounds like it is possible sondland wants to play good cop while the white house plays bad cop there. we will be watching for that.

let's move to capitol hill, garrett hague, want to put up a full screen of ambassador yovanovitch's testimony. perhaps the biggest news she made was her just direct hit at the hollowing out of the state department. here in her testimony. the inevitable and continuing resignation and loss of many of this nation's most loyal and talented public servants when private interests circumvent, when bad actors see how easy it is to use fiction and innuendo to manipulate our system, the only interests that will be served are those of strategic adversaries like russia that spread chaos, attack institutions and norms the u.s. helped create and which we benefitted from for the last 75 years. obviously she wanted to make a point and stand up for her foreign service colleagues. what else did we learn in her testimony? >> just by the fact that marie yovanovitch showed up here today

is a throwing down of a gauntlet to the white house, like gordon sondland, she's still technically an employee of the state department. we know now behind the scenes she was told late last night she could not show up voluntarily. the house intel committee put out a snap subpoena for her, she arrived with the prepared remarks already appears distributed to various news outlets, we were able to run with them once she got under way. you have the remarks excoriating the state department for what we've seen the last two years, hollowing out of the state department. buried further in testimony, says while she wasn't in her role at the time of the july 25th phone call, the phone call that started all of this, she paints an interesting picture of lead up to it where you see all of the other actors meddling behind the scenes, makes the argument her anti-corruption efforts and the embassy's anti-corruption efforts in ukraine were so successful, the corrupt actors ousted her. that that was essentially the

end of the saga here, that the u.s. had effectively worked on this corruption issue for long enough, paints herself as somebody that's not partisan, said she never knew hunter biden, only met joe biden in his vice presidential capacity once or twice. alludes to having some meetings or connections with rudy giuliani, but doesn't get into them specifically, only says essentially the president's mind was poisoned against her and she was fired or recalled from that job merely because the president had lost confidence in her, not because she had done anything wrong in that position. they have been locked up in a secure room since 10:30 this morning. i suspect we'll hear more when lawmakers trickle out. we know all of this just from the prepared statement. >> i was going to say, that's just from the opening statement there. garrett, i want to get to richard engle in northern syria. quickly, what testimony is going to happen next week, what's still up in the air when it comes to cooperation main piece

testimony we know will happen next week that everyone is keyed into is fiona hill, the top russia advise or at the nsc, another former white house official. no way for the administration to put the brakes on her showing up, although i suppose in theory could try to exercise executive privilege over what she says. and the case of gordon sondland which you laid out nicely. if he decides to come forward and be forthcoming, he could tell us quite a bit, but it is unclear whether he is going to show up and sit down and say gosh, there are all these things i can't tell you, if only i had access to documents i handed over to state department. and if he is just trying to wash his hands of it. those are two key things. there's a half dozen outstanding subpoenas for documents that could come due next week, most from administrative entities, unlikely to hand them over. if i watch one, probably the subpoena for documents from department of defense if anybody is going to act more independently in this, it would be likely the dod than office of

management and budget or the vice president's office more tied to the administration. >> excellent poichnt, garrett. richard, before i get to you, i want to play what the treasury secretary said today about the sanctions that they prepared to implement if the president believes turkey is going over the line, whatever that seems to mean. here's what the treasury secretary said. >> i just met with president trump and he has authorized and will be signing a new executive order giving the treasury department in consultation with himself and secretary pompeo very significant new sanctions authorities that can be targeted at any person associated with the government of turkey, any portion of the government, i want to emphasize at this point we are not activating the sanctions. >> sort of a split screen over

here today, richard. you had the treasury secretary threatening sanctions at turkey at the same time our ambassador to the united nations wouldn't sign onto a resolution condemning what turkey is doing because we didn't want to apparently use the word condemn. richard, what do you see on the ground tonight? >> reporter: i see total chaos, total chaos here in syria which is getting worse and worse and chaos in u.s. policy toward syria which is only contributing to the chaos on the ground. you had president trump who clearly gave the green light, he either gave the green light or didn't realize the consequences of his own actions, both of which are disastrous. he clearly gave the green light. the reason i can say that, you look at the white house statement that was issued after the phone call between president trump and the turkish president, erdogan, it says there in black and white that turkey would soon be launching this offensive and the u.s. forces would not be opposing it, then u.s. forces

were pulled back from the border. turkey launches its offensive, and here we are today. now president trump after this chorus of condemnations from his own party, from around the world while refusing to condemn it at the u.n. is now trying to, i don't know, change the story, whitewash his hands of responsibility and to say that this was all turkey's problem, and that he is going to fix this, he is going to condemn turkey, and this is all going to work out well. before we go further, let me tell you, i lost the ifb here. going to try to reconnect while we're talking. but if i can't, i'll have to end and we'll keep talking. on the ground now what we're seeing is tens of thousands of people who are leaving the front line areas that are trying to go to safer places. many people are showing up in schools. we went to a school earlier

today, people were sleeping on the floor. so the president is now threatening sanctions while the situation on the ground is getting worse. and i am back with you, by the way. >> let me ask you a final question, richard. where are these folks going to end up going for safety if they can get there? >> reporter: so they are pulling away from the border which is north of here, even further north, and they're going deeper into kurdish territory, but they go too far, they either enter into unfriendly area, they enter hostile arab areas that were friendly to isis or enter into pro-regime areas. they have a small bubble here, a bubble that has up until now been protected by u.s. forces. u.s. forces are now on their base watching all this. and by the way, u.s. forces here are also at risk, just today multiple turkish shells exploded right next to a u.s. base.

no americans were hurt, but the americans had to pull back for their own safety. so even though the americans are watching this, now they're seeing shells exploding right next to them. >> it is obviously a tenuous situation there. very impressive, dialing in the ifb, not missing train of thought. that was quite the feat there of a television feed. stay safe, richard, and to garrett and hans, thank you. don't miss on assignment with richard engel this weekend. he is looking into what rudy giuliani and the trump administration were trying to accomplish in ukraine. sunday, 10:00 p.m. eastern, after ari melber hosts trump and ukraine, impeachment crisis. all starts sunday at 9:00 p.m. on msnbc. up ahead, political fallout as president trump struggles to stem criticism from his own party on attacks under way by

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did you support ambassador being recalled months before her tenure was up? >> supported every mission that the state department has been engaged in, will continue to do that. >> welcome back. that was secretary of state mike pompeo earlier today, not defending the former ukraine ambassador, marie yovanovitch. andrea mitchell reports morale is imploding at the state department. career diplomats are complaining bitterly about what they say is unprecedented political interference there. joining me now, nbc news correspondent carol lee and jason johnson. politics editor at the root.com. betsy swan, reporter for the "daily beast," brendan buck.

welcome to all of you. carol, i think the biggest thing that came out of yovanovitch is sort of she gave voice to what has been a low rumble in the diplomatic corp, pretty much the entire time, back to rex tillerson. >> he started it. >> in many ways. she's bringing that back. then throw in the rudy giuliani, and now you see perhaps why morale is low. >> and you do, and she not only put it in this context of the state department has been hollowed out, we knew, rex tillerson, that was on his watch, he wanted to do that, then she puts it in context of at the same time you have these people who are left who then are being asked to sort of conduct themselves in a way that's potentially not in line with what traditional diplomacy has been for a long time, to put it

mildly. and saying, calling on state department leadership and congress to deal with this and put it in stark terms what could happen if they don't, including that people's personal interests are going to be put ahead of diplomatic interests and consequences of that. >> i know behind the scenes among congressional republicans they don't like this, in front of the camera, don't want to complain about this. will this move some congressional republicans going this is unsustainable? >> i don't think it will move anybody anytime soon. i think what's going on now is there's a total lack of clarity on what's going to happen. even yesterday with sondland, they didn't know he wasn't going to show up, they were expecting him to show up. >> how did they not know that? >> this is the level of communication they have. all of this is they're making it up as they go along. you have a handful of republicans, jim jordan types, that will go out, defend the president no matter what, everybody else is trying to sit back, see what happens. every day something new happens. every day the ground shifts, there's another string that needs to be pulled on. so people are hesitant to get

out there and defend anything at this point. >> betsy, where are we headed? >> it is bad for republicans, likely to get worse when we learn what yovanovitch is saying now behind closed doors. extremely unlikely to be good news for the president. the huge question that will loomis whether the state department ends up firing yovanovitch or not. if she stays on, it will send a signal despite persecution, folks at the state department could potentially tell the truth to congress without losing their jobs and pensions, if they force her out, it will be a huge line in the sand that will be immensely consequential to members of both parties. >> yeah. i get the sense, jason, pompeo was actually very aware of how bad morale was with tillerson. he improved morale, and it is still not good. >> you can talk to justice department, state department, everyone has realized that we're only serving at the pleasure of the president and whatever random mood he has that day. >> they've always known that, didn't realize it.

>> didn't realize how far down the totem pole it would get. that's one of the things that's dangerous. people are running around saying how do i fix relationships i built in the last 10, 12 years for foreign policy to avoid whatever catastrophe the president gets me into. that's one of the messes. whether republican or democrat in congress because you don't know what trump will pay attention to this week, you don't know who to protect, don't know where he will be focused. >> one levels of concern at the state department is association of foreign service officers that represents state department officials sent out a fund-raising email rich with innuendo for the legal defense fund. what the email says which i got a hold of, they're trying to raise more money from members, even though they have in-house lawyers that represent foreign service officers, some folks might be needing additional legal help. if you read between the lines, it is clear they're talking about all of the state department professionals that could get called into congress, and even if they're not facing charges of wrongdoing still can

face five finger legal bills. >> i want to focus on the president's foreign policy today. it's really confusing. it is clear mnuchin was sent out, carol, to do cleanup, reassure republicans. they don't want turkey to do that. it happened the same day, the united states couldn't use the word condemn with the europeans when it comes to what turkey did. the president sent more troops to saudi arabia. >> are you confused? no one has a sense of what policy is, whether -- >> getting out of endless wars in the middle east? >> even if you look at the president's twitter feed, it is all over the place, getting out of endless wars, not doing anything like that, we're not leaving, abandoning anybody, kurds have to stand for themselves, we're going to help them out. what reporting shows is behind the scenes there's some effort to get this contained. not just the political problem that he has with congress but

also the actual problem on the ground that's been created here. what you saw secretary mnuchin do is come out, use the backdrop of the white house briefing room to add oomph to sanction turkey if they cross some unspecified red line. >> the opposite of we have here a strongly worded letter that we have not yet signed. >> we can do this and we will. >> but we're not signing it. but let me reiterate we're not doing anything. if you're trying to reassure the lindsey grahams of the world, make no mistake, we're not doing anything yet. >> this wasn't a policy move, it was a political move. it was 100% of republicans save rand paul are attacking me, i didn't know what i was getting into. i don't think he had any sense of what he was doing. no clear u.s. national interest rationale for what he is doing, got fierce blow back. it was stunning to see. >> i have a theory on that.

do you think that's extra hard because they don't think they can criticize? >> they were blowing off steam. >> certainly looked that way. the other thing, the white house, they're far apart. congress says what turkey has done is sanctionable. the president saying if they do more, then we would have sanctions. i don't see how they wind up pulling it back. >> i thought richard may have stumbled onto what happened. the president isn't aware what he said to erdogan gave him the green light. it is possible how he -- let me get my guys out of the way if you're doing something. >> it is clear that donald trump has used foreign policy like a high school model u.n. i like the kid across the room, cut a deal with him, i like that kid there, let's cut a deal. the problem is people in congress and state department don't know who he is friends with this week or that week. if you don't know what's going to happen, that's what we have. the report from news week, that's why you have shelling almost hit u.s. troops, how you have a president that sends

troops to saudi arabia and still can't answer questions about ka showing ee. peel have political considerations and foreign policy considerations. the president operates in a personal way which no one can figure out. >> remember his personal attorney representing a turkish national charged in court with helping facilitate a multi billion dollar sanctions dodging arrangement for the iranians. rudy worked hard to get him off the hook, met in person with erdogan. he urged the president to let him off the hook. that didn't happen. instead, he took a plea deal and laid out how the sanctions dodging scheme worked. that connection between one of the president's close friends and advisers and someone that close to erdogan, look, it is relevant context. >> brendan, rudy, how easy a

scapegoat is he for republicans? >> i think people would love to have him turn on the president. everybody is looking for somebody to throw under the bus. >> get out of the mess. >> i was talking to people on the hill, heard an interesting comment. everybody is comfortable that republicans are all together. the whip number goes one direction from here, higher. actually the implication is it is better to get moving with this. i think some republicans are get it out of the way. there's become a sense of inevitability. we know how this will play out unless something else happens. that's almost a fear of don't let it get unpredictable. >> cuts across the narrative that this is bad for democrats, they're not focusing on issues they should, but shows nervousness. >> i quote back to the future, where we're going there are no roads. we think we do, at least no guardrails. stick around. coming up, personal attacks, profanity, unbelievable

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welcome back. we just mentioned we're not replaying the president's attacks of hunter biden, other parts we do want to show you. including this moment where he went after joe biden. >> he was never considered a good senator, he was only considered a good vice president because he understood how to kiss barack obama's ass. >> still with us, is that what

the definition of a vice president is? the president's definition of what he likes in a vice president? >> i think mike pence feels attacked to be perfectly candid. here's the thing. this is one of the reasons why president trump is so concerned about joe biden, why these attacks have gotten so vicious. because he is the only candidate he could run against in 2020 who he can't rebrand. here's the thing. we all know who joe biden is. he was around for 8 years, around for years beforehand, he is uncle joe. he can do a marco rubio, attack jeb bush, kamala harris, but can't change how people look at joe biden. that's why he is so aggressive. that's why he is so frightened, branding is his skill. if you take away his ability to brand, it is the only candidate he can't do it with, that leaves him stuck. >> the other challenge with biden most of his weaknesses or flaws are baked in. there have been all these moments on the campaign trail where he will say things that are whacky, make you scratch your head, but that's not new. when he was vice president he

would say and do things that were weird. even this stuff, voters already know about it. his poll number suggests they're tolerating it. >> but there's also some strengths that joe biden has that part of it is trying to get at, record on foreign policy, he is trying to knock that down, and of course stuff about his son, he is trying to -- everybody knows him as a family man, trying to knock him down there. >> i think that swampifies biden. that is like you think you like joe biden, just like everybody else, people cash in on him or did it themselves. that to me is the real concern of biden, it makes him another washington guy. >> yes. and what's so interesting on that, everyone that knows joe biden, covered him, knows he is not by washington standards in terms of who is rich, not among -- >> his brother and son clearly

traded on his name. >> absolutely. so the president is trying to tanlt him in that way. i mean, he's also trying to make him this second tier kind of guy. he keeps bringing him up as obama's lack ey, trying to diminish him in this way. what's ironic what he is saying there, about that he kissed the former president's tush as i would say to my six-year-old, that's how he succeeded, obama found him very annoying at times, biden was always coloring out of the lines. it was not that kind of relationship. >> apparently trump doesn't always love how obsequious -- what's the debate going to be like tuesday night? >> i am sort of -- i think it could be meaningless or meaningful, you have the biden situation, impeachment, bernie since the heart attack.

but i'm also going 12 candidates on one stage, thought we were down to ten. >> there are two big things i'm waiting for. one, does anybody attack joe biden on these >> it really would be, especially because you have a lot of senators, look, i'm voting on this. it will be interesting to see if tulsi gabbard, some low end person takes a pot shot at joe biden. the other thing i am waiting for, the elephant in the room, when will someone ask bernie the question that's legitimate. given your health issues, what would you say to voters concerned about continuing to vote for a candidate who is your age that suffered from a heart attack. it is a legitimate question, a question a lot of people are anxious, nervous about asking but i think it is a fair one. those are two key moments. no one will knock anyone else out, but those are things i'm looking forward to. >> the question on bernie, can he answer without looking annoyed. every time he is asked about the age issue, it is almost like how dare you rather than biden's is

like well, so pick somebody else. biden handled the question. all right. then take somebody else. >> bernie either is or isn't your cup of tea, for the large number of primary voters that like him, they're not going to be turned off by him thumbing his nose at who asks the question. part of it is that he has hit a bit of a ceiling, not dissimilar the way the president has a base that's committed, happens with certain politicians, not partisan or ideological, some people get excited and have trouble reaching folks part of that. the trouble for bernie this night will be seeing if he can expand the space of people that support him. >> i think it is remarkable there isn't a bigger conversation about need for him to step out of the race. the man just had a heart attack in his late 70s. people that are bernie supporters, i don't think any candidate wants to upset those

people. >> what you're saying is had this been any other major candidate, probably would have driven them -- >> if joe biden had a heart attack, it would be over. >> i wonder, carol, if this reinforces the notion that there's just a big chunk of the establishment doesn't believe he will be the nominee, so there isn't that kind of pressure on him. >> i think brendan makes a point, you don't want to alienate his -- his voters have to go to somewhere, somebody. so there's reluctance to try to alienate those folks. i'm curious what happens with elizabeth warren. there's been all of this talk about will anybody try to -- she's surging, will anybody make shots at her, do anything to try to go after her. i'm curious -- >> i have seen candidates not named biden and bernie may condemn plate doing that, they have nothing to lose. >> mayor pete has been taking slight pot shots. i think another important thing to remember when talking about

expanding. joe biden shows he is ironman, shoots himself in the foot, seems to keep standing. if you look at say he is 32%, add up elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, you're looking at he democratic primary population that want someone much more liberal, much more progressive than joe biden. even if he end up winning the nomination, he has to begin the process of figuring out how to make those people come to him. this debate needs to be the beginning of the conversation. he is in the lead in most places that matter. that group of people, not just bernie people but warren people, need to hear you're not going to ignore us. if you pull this off, you will take on progressive principles. >> how many people look at bernie supporters and think there's supporters i can grab. if bernie starts to melt, i have a theory, anybody that's left him for warren already left for warren, they're not going to warren. the two candidates stand to benefit most is biden and andrew

yang. because of the read it world. the bernie broes go to yang than any other person. >> i think that's probably right. yang is certainly the candidate that's been most misunderestimated to use a classic term. >> a lot of senators he outraised we thought would be in a higher tier. >> shows how much appetite there is on the left end of the political spectrum for someone that's completely out of the washington space and who is talking in a different language. a lot of the senators that are running, you hear they speak in press release, certain phrases, verbs they use that normal americans don't use. like facilitate. yang never talks that way. >> in 2016, how furious were hillary people that he kept hanging on, poking at her. his supporters were not easily shifted to her, it was a big problem. i don't think anybody should

expect that. i would be surprised if yang outlasts bernie sanders. >> andrew yang is now leading kamala harris and cory booker and pete buttigieg, it has something to do with the fact that we talked about, he has come in with policy ideas that even more liberal candidates admit. automation, taking away working class jobs, that matters to working black folks in south carolina. he was ahead of the ball game when he talked about paying athletes, so i don't think he is going to be the nominee. but he could benefit -- >> i think i'm done underestimating the guy. now overestimate him, he will fail to meet expectations. >> he has good lines at debates. >> he does. thank you. great friday panel. super sized. appreciate it. presidential candidate amy klobuchar on the growing crisis in syria. klucobhar on the growing crisis in syria

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this is a president who i think does not understand the constitution nor believe in the constitution, doesn't understand the rule of law, thinks that he is above the law, makes the most outrageous statements almost suggesting he thinks he is the king, not an elected official. i think that's what the impeachment process will bring

out. >> welcome back. that was bernie sanders today, spoke more forcefully about impeachment than before saying he believes the president should be impeached. when asked about his vote in the senate, sanders wouldn't say, reminding reporters outside his home as a senator he will be acting as a juror. joining me, another 2020 candidate and another potential juror, amy klobuchar. you and i had that conversation before about that. >> yes. >> let me ask you this. you're on the judiciary committee. the chairman of your committee is lindsey graham, republican from south carolina. he talked about bringing rudy giuliani. what kind of role do you expect the judiciary committee to end up playing here, and do you think it will be a way to troll the impeachment process or fact finding? >> i don't think we're trolls. i think we'll be involved in fact-finding. i'm not certain how this will be set up with the trial, but i said when lindsey graham announced he wanted to bring rudy giuliani before the

committee, i said bring it on. i would love to ask him questions and this actually came before we found out about the arrest of two business associates. just yesterday as ranking on the rules committee, i actually asked for more information. and i think to step back here a little, chuck, having just had the president in my state last night, i believe and i was listening to the last panel, i don't want to lose sight this is about the truth and about a president as bernie said that's flaunting the constitution. and we have a constitutional obligation to move ahead. it is about a president putting his own business, partisan, political issues and interests in front of not just the law but in front of the country. instead of talking to the president of china about getting us out of the mess we're in, and i don't believe anything he says when he says he reaches partial agreement, but instead of doing that, he asked for dirt on an

opponent. instead of talking to the president of the ukraine about russian invasion, he asks for dirt on an opponent. when i'm out there in the midwestern states that we have to win, people are talking about a president that has not kept his promise, that includes trump voters. i don't want to lose sight of the fact, why i went to the michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania where i know i can take this guy down in the midwest, specifically in minnesota, iowa, those states, there's a lot of dissatisfaction with what's going on. we can't forget that when we campaign, that this is about those states. >> let me ask you about the senate side a second. there's a lot of bipartisan concern about what's happening in turkey and what's happening to the kurds. is there anything that can put the toothpaste back in the tube or is it over? >> i wish there was. i don't think this idea, i was appalled. you know, he says i'll put on sanctions if you let isis

fighters out or if they cause unrest in some way. give me a break. he should never have let this happen erdogan go, and they're now the news today, they almost hit our own troops because we have some troops of course that are still located there, this bombing is going so far and wide on the border area. so this is not something i would ever have done. it not only sends a message and creates more disarray in syria with the possible rise of isis again, it sends a message as everything else, he does to all our allies, that we don't stand with them. you hear concerns out of israel. look what he did on the climate change agreement, look what he did when he thought he could bring a hot dish to the dictator next door by going to meet with kim jong-un with no effect. this is what this guy does. he embraces dictators, makes

spontaneous decisions, doesn't care what repercussions are, not just for the poor kurds who stood by our side but for all of our foreign policy. it is outrageous. the fact that republicans are finally getting mad, great. now i need them to get mad about ukraine and russia and everything else. >> seems like as a candidate for president you and all of the candidates are in a bit of a conundrum. i heard the same thing from voters on the ground, they're not focused on impeachment and these things, they're focused on everyday problems you talked about. yet at the same time this thing is at a critical point. how do you break out, handle this moment where you know the focus is in one direction in washington, but voters in some ways are playing wait and see. >> when you look at 2018, they wanted to check and balance this guy, not just because they were worried what he would do economically or with foreign policy, they wanted a values check and balance, chuck. they know he is mean spirited,

not looking out for their kids for the long term, so that hasn't changed. that's still there. that's a lot of my argument, that i don't want to just be the president for half of america, i want to be president for all of america. we have to win, but we have to win big with a coalition of a fired up democratic base bringing independents and moderate republicans. you do that by focusing on things that matter to them, making the case that this guy has been letting them down. i don't think enough of my opponents are talking about that. i listened while the panel debated what's happening with andrew yang and these things. ooic i'm out there in the states we need to win, touring ohio, leading up to the debates. remember this, it is the blue wall we need to build, and donald trump will pay for it. >> senator, i will let you go here. up close to the end of my hour. stay safe on the trail. thanks for coming on, sharing your views. >> thanks a lot. >> before i go, congrats to

washington mystics. wnba team beat the connecticut sun by double digits. 89-78. special shoutout to the mvp, played with three herniated discs. i wouldn't do this show with one. good for you. foreshadowing more titles to come. that's it for tonight. sunday, meet the press on nbc. jim mattis, my guest. the beat with ari melber is next. >> good evening. good to see you as always. sir. tracking several developing stories. democrats scoring victory on the impeachment probe with evidence as a top official is defying donald trump to testify about ukraine. meanwhile, the president blatantly taking another step away from embattled adviser rudy giuliani after the feds indict two of his