♪ debate night turns into debate fight for senator elizabeth warren as she fends off attacks brought on as her new status as the front-runner. we'll have the highlights. plus, noncompliant. the house and rudy giuliani telling they will not comply with the impeachment inquiry even though they appear to have everything that democrats need. and confirming that nancy pelosi will be among the lawmakers attending a key meeting there tonight. ♪

>> do you think it will be awkward when nancy pelosi and donald trump are sitting face-to-face. >> a little. >> i'd like to be a fly on the wall in that. good morning, everyone, it is wednesday, october 16th, i'm ayman mohyeldin alongside yasmin vossoughian. we want to begin in ohio, the site of last night's democratic debate. it was the first debate since senator elizabeth warren sumped in the polls. and they are front-runner status also made her a target. warren was the attack of any candidate on stage. 16 times most next to senator amy klobuchar. but it was mayor buttigieg who warren answered when asked if medicare for all would raise taxes on the middle class. >> a yes or no question that didn't get a yes or no answer. this is why people in the midwest are frustrated with washington in general and capitol hill in particular.

your signature, senator, is to have a plan for everything in except this. >> at least bernie is saying that taxes are going to go up. i'm sorry, elizabeth, you have not said that. i'm tired of hearing whenever you say it's republican talking points, you are make republican talking points right now in this room by coming out with a plan that's going to do that. i appreciate elizabeth's work. but the difference between a plan and a pipe dream is something that you can get done. >> it's a reality that americans see around us. >> i want to give a reality check here to elizabeth. no one on this stage wants to protect billionaires, not even the billionaire wants to protect billionaires. we just have different approaches. your idea is not the only idea. >> sometimes, i think that senator warren is more focused on being punitive or pitting some part of the country against the other. >> i'd like to ask senator warren if she would join me in calling to an end for this

regime change war in syria, finally. >> so, senator warren, i just want to say i was surprised to hear you that did not agree with me on this subject of what should be the rules around corporate responsibility for big tech companies when i called on twitter to suspend donald trump's account. >> so the first topic addressed in last night's democratic debate gauged the candidates' views on president trump and the house impeachment inquiry. watch this. >> sometimes, there are issues that are bigger than politics. and i think that's the case with this impeachment inquiry. >> i look forward, by the way, not only to a speedy and expeditious impeachment process. but mitch mcconnell has got to do the right thing and allow say free and fair trial in the senate. >> he will not cooperate in any way at all, will not assemble any witnesses, will not provide any information, will not do anything to cooperate with impeachment.

they have no choice but to move. >> donald trump has to be held accountable. he is indeed the most corrupt and unpatriotic president we've ever had. >> we are talking about ongoing proceedings to remove a sitting president for office. this has got to be about patriotism and not partisanship. >> we have to impeach this president. he should be removed. >> president has left the congress with no choice. >> serious issues that have been raised around this phone call that he had with the president of ukraine and many other things that transpired around that is what caused me to support the inquiry in the house. >> impeaching and removing this president is something that the american people are demanding. they're the voice that counts. >> i support impeachment, but we shouldn't have in any illusions that impeaching donald trump

will be successful. >> not only have we failed our constitution in this country, we have failed everyone that has sacrificed and laid their lives on the line. >> the gun debate issue was debated when pete buttigieg sparred with beto o'rourke about his view on assault weapons. >> if someone does not turn in an ar-15 or one of these weapons of war and brings it out and brandishes it to intimidate like we saw at kent state recently. then that weapon will be taken from them. but the expectations is that americans will follow. i blielieve in this country. i believe in my fellow americans i believe they will do the right thing. >> congressman, you just made tell clear, you don't know how this is going to actually take weapons off the street. if you can develop it further, we can have a debate. i can't wait. >> listening to those fellow

americans, to those moms who demand action, to those students who march for lives that call for mandatory buybacks, let's follow their inspiration and lead and not be limited by the polls and focus groups. >> mayor buttigieg. >> the problem isn't in the polls. the problem is the policy. and i don't need lessons from you on courage, political or personal. everyone on this stage is determined to get something done. everyone on this stage recognizes, or at least i thought we did, that the problem is not other democrats who don't agree with your particular idea of how to handle this. the problem is the national rifle association and their enablers in congress and we should be united in taking the fight to them. >> and senator cory booker called out his fellow democrats once again hitting each other in their fight to become their party's nominee. >> mr. booker, are those the

best solutions there. please respond. >> first of all, i'm happy to get in finally, as the great new jersey yogi berra said i have a shot. i've had the privilege of working with or being friends with everybody on this stage and tearing each other down because we have a different plan to me is unacceptable. i have seen this script before. it didn't work in 2016. and it will be a disaster for us in 2020. all right. let's get into this a bit. joining from us washington, white house reporter for politico, gabby, talk to us about the moments that stood out for you? >> well, i think the clearest winner from this debate was pete buttigieg. there were so many moments where he got into it with elizabeth warren over health care. a topic that he previously seemed checked out on. he went after tulsi gabbard

about her criticism with president trump with pulling troops out of syria. the exchange that you just went over between him and beto o'rourke as well. he is somebody to keep an eye on after this debate. although when previous candidates including senator kamala harris has had strong debates it hasn't translated into strength in the polls. on the other hand, it's a clear indication that elizabeth warren is now the front-runner in the primary field. she took heat from every single candidate on stage. over her health care proposal. over whether or not we should ban the president from twitter. over so many different topics. and she held court. she was capable of delivering responses to all of these critiques. and giving clear and concise answers. though, i do think this marks a new moment for her campaign.

and one that probably isn't going to be as pleasant as the past few months have been for her. >> at this point who do you think, since you mentioned elizabeth warren, who do you think did not have a solid performance and should at this point consider dropping out. perhaps even putting their support behind another fellow candidate. did tom steyer break through? did tulsi gabbard have a moment? is there anybody on that stage, who you think, hey, it's time to reconsider this? >> i think there are a number of people on that stage who just didn't come across well last night or didn't get the air time to salvage their campaigns. julian castro is one of them. tom steyer. he had a few moments on the topic of impeachment, something he's been calling for for the past two years. but it really wasn't the breakthrough that he needs to surge in the polls. there are others who don't necessarily have any reason to drama out at this point. joe biden being the main one, but didn't have a strong debate performance.

having amy klobuchar on stage last night for the first time was rea just add moderate as joe biden. or who has occupied sort of the centrist lane in this democratic primary and did so successfully and passionately. that is what was lacking from the former vice president's debate performance last night. >> gabby, thank you. i also want to mention that five candidates will be on "morning joe," beto o'rourke, and pete buttigieg, cory booker and senator harris and klobuchar. and nancy pelosi digs into a meeting at the white house later tonight. we'll have those stories and a check of the weather when we come right back. with fidelity wealth management you get straightforward advice,

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standards, house democrats have already found new ways to lower the bar. this is about the most consequential process the house of representatives could possibly engage in. overruling american voters and nullifying an election. surely any such process must be conducted with the utmost fairness and transparency. it must be held to the most exact of standards. and yet, house democrats have wasted no time throwing fairness and precedent to the wind. >> there's no requirement that we have a vote. and so, at this time, we will not be having a vote. and i'm very pleased with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being supportive of the path that we are on, in terms of fairness, in terms of seeking the truth, in terms of upholding the constitution. united states. >> all right. despite republican criticism of

house democrats conducting the impeachment inquiry, last night's speaker nancy pelosi stood by her decision not to hold a full house vote at this time. the speaker will be among the lawmakers visiting the white house to discuss ongoing developments with syria and turkey. >> meanwhile, vice president mike pence and rudy giuliani are those refusing to handle the documents sought by congress in the impeachment inquiry. the vice president's counsel says it's because the inquiry has not been authorized by the house, giuliani's lawyer says his client will cooperate because the inquiry appears to be quote, unconstitutional and deliberate. and jake sherman from politico updated a letter stating that it, too, will not comply with a subpoena for documents citing the lack of house authorization. let's get into it with our friend and regular contributor, msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos.

>> you were pausing a little bit. >> i was adding pizzazz. >> thank you. >> with the trump administration not complying with the impeachment inquiry. >> trump administration's position here because the house has not voted on a formal impeachment inquiry that they don't need to provide these documents or respond to the subpoenas. on the other hand, if the strategy essentially is that the house is going to ask for these documents, then they need to have aformal vote. and those members, especially those members in districts are potentially go on record and potentially expose themselves in future elections. and the house would rather do this without taking that step. so that's the trump administration's point at this point. so they're going to stonewall until either the house votes or this goes to the courts but that's their position. because they have not taken the step of an actual formal vote,

this is not a true impeachment inquiry. and they don't have to respond to these requests. >> so, from your legal perspective. i don't know if our country has passed through a similar situation, an impeachment inquiry, we know that has happened, but in terms of subpoenaing documents that don't necessarily get handed over because of lack of house vote. if this goes to the court, from your legal perspective, who has a stronger legal leg to stand on? >> there's a massive difference between a request and actual subpoena. as long as these are requests, the administration might be able to push back. and then it will go to the courts and the courts will decide. once we get into the realm of formally authorized subpoenas -- >> which we have in some cases. >> right. in some cases. that's absolutely correct. and the concern there is historically, in other impeachment situations and we've only really had two that are relevant to this kind of inquiry -- >> which would you say are what? which two? >> nixon and clinton.

>> right. >> and this resistance to subpoenas can form an additional basis for impeachable defense which obstruction of justice. and that happened, these similar situations, although not exactly the same, happened in both nixon and clinton. that resistance gave rise to potential impeachmentable offense. >> do you think the democrats have what they need here? >> there are two schools of thought, it seems like every day there's some new avenue of inquiry. another school of thought is, at this point, weeks ago, they heard had what they needed within the four corners of the statement, transcript, whatever you want to call it that the president's administration released that he adopted. even though it wasn't a verbatim transcript, hade essentially adopted. and there's seemed to be a request to ukraine and some

veiled threat to withhold congressional funding. soap there are two ways to play it. in theory, they could stop right now and essentially start with the articles of impeachment. >> it's interesting to say that the democrats want to not have the vote in case any politically vulnerable members of the house of representatives, given the fact that it is surging in the polls among ordinary americans that they want to see impeachment inquiry. to think that they would have some popularity to go forth holding that house vote. danny cevallos, always a pleasure. >> thanks. up next, vice president and secretary of state prepare for a trip to turkey, amid the outrage and violence after the president's decision to withdraw troops from northern syria. >> we're going to have the latest on that, plus the tense exchange between a former navy vet and army navy about the u.s. policy in syria. we're back in a moment. ok own your look... ...with fewer lines. there's only one botox® cosmetic.

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deadline and the kurds did most of the fighting against isis. and as the turkish assault on our former allies, later today, secretary of state mike pompeo will head to turkey to meet with president erdogan. erdogan said he should send the delegation to discuss demands. trump is still set to host erdogan in the white house in the coming weeks and yesterday, offered this update on his strategy. >> we're having very strong talks with a lot of people. we've been very tough on turkey and a lot of others. they have to maintain their own properties now. they have to maintain peace and safety. and we'll see what happens. the delegation we're asking for a cease-fire. we've put the strongest sanctions that you can imagine. but they get a lot -- we have a lot until storin store if they impact. including massive tariffs on

steel. they make a lot of money shipping steel. they won't be making so much money. >> in addition to, quote, asking for a cease-fire, trump has publicly said multiple times that he wants to be a mediator between the turks and the kurds. yesterday, erdogan said, no thanks, according to the turkish state media, telling trump that turkey will never declare a cease-fire. and meanwhile, a russian speaking man inside a military base in syria saying, quote, let's see how the americans lived. the pentagon has confirmed that base is now closed. and russia which is syria's most vital ally in all of this says its units are not patrolling an area around turkish and military forces and around city. and it also comes after a source tells nbc news that forces nearly hit a combined coalition base yesterday and put americans

troops on the ground, quote, directly at risk. in response, officials conducted a show of force using apache helicopters and warplanes. what a tension situation. >> after the decision was made by the president two weeks ago. congresswoman tulsi gabbard has been highly criticized after the 2017 trip and video she made after visiting assad at the end of the siege. she's been critical of the way he's gone about it. she reflected on the way how she would do things differently. watch this. >> we've got to under the reality of the situation there which is that the slaughter of the kurds being done by turkey is yet another consequence in the regime change war that we've

been waging in syria. donald trump has the blood of the kurds but so do many of the politicians in our country from both parties who have supported this war that started in 2011, along with many in the mainstream media who has been championing and cheerleading this regime change war. >> respectfully, congresswoman, i think that is dead wrong. the slaughter going on in syria is not the consequence of american presence. it's a consequence of withdrawal and betrayal by this president of american allies and american values. look, i didn't think we should have gone into iraq in the first place. i think we need to get out of afghanistan. but it's also the case that a small number of specialized, special operations forces and intelligence capabilities were the only thing that stood between that part of syria and what we're seeing now which is the beginning of a genocide and resurgence of the isis. meanwhile, soldiers in the field

are reporting for the first time they feel ashamed. ashamed of what their country was done. when i was deployed i knew one thing that was keeping me safe was the flap on my shoulder was keeping us safe. you take that away, you take away what makes america, america. >> wow. all right. still ahead from last night's debate as the issue of age is raised. plus, the very latest testimony in the impeachment inquiry on capitol hill as the white house launches its own investigation into the call at the center of it all. we're back in a moment.

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welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin. it is the bottom of the hour. let's start with the morning's top stories in that last night's debate, former vice president joe biden took swipes at both elizabeth warren and bernie sanders for their big structure change ideas including medicare for all. >> i think a lot of what they had to say is really important. but, you know, senator warren said we can't be running any vague campaigns. i want to say something that is probably going to offend some people here. but i'm the only one on this stage that has gotten anything really big done. >> who are you saying as being vague? >> well, the senator said -- in fact, you're both being vague on the issue of medicare for all. if we have the guts, i would like to see the democratic party have that guts to stand up to the drug companies and the insurance companies and tell

them that the function of health care is to guarantee care to all people. >> we can do that without medicare for all. we can do that -- >> no, we can't. >> we can. and we can afford to do it. >> following the financial crash of 2008, i had an idea for consumer agency that would keep giant banks from cheating people. and all of the washington insiders and strategic geniuses said don't even try because you will never get it passed. and sure enough, the big banks fought us. the republicans fought us. some of the democrats fought us. but we got that agency passed into law. >> i agreed with the great job she did. and i went on the floor and got you votes. i got votes for that bill. i convinced people to vote for it. so, let's get those things straight too. >> senator warren, do you want to respond? >> i am deeply grateful to

president obama who fought so hard to make sure that agency was passed into law. and i am deeply grateful to every single person who fought for it and who helped pass it into law. but understand -- >> you did a hell of a job with your job. >> thank you. so, understand this, this was a dream big fight hard. >> that was definitely a moment. the supreme court also came up last night, when several candidates were asked about the possibility that they may make changes and even would be open to the idea of protecting roe v. wade. >> what i would do is make sure that the people that i recommended to the court, from ruth bader ginsburg to others who used to work for me, that they in fact support the right of privacy on which the entire

notion of a woman's right to choose is based. and that's what i would do. in order to get on the court. and by the way, if in fact -- beginning of next year, if in fact one of the justices steps down, god forbid, in fact, i would make sure that we would do exactly what mcconnell did last time out. we would not allow any hearing to be held on a justice. >> thank you. >> we can't go on like this where every single time there's a vacancy, we have this apocalyptic ideological fire fight. now, one way to fix this would be to have a 15-member court where five of the members would be appointed. smarter minds than mine are discussing this in the harvard law journal how this can be done. to a point, not everyone arrives on a partisan basis. for term limits, don't forget,

justices used to retire like everybody else to a rotation off the appellate bench. and while bernie sanders defended his health, joe biden and elizabeth warren were asked if their age would affect their presidency. >> last month, jimmy carter said he would not be able to undertake the duties of president at 80 years old. why do you think you can. >> because i've watched it, i've been engaged. look, one of the reasons i'm running is because of my age and experience. with it comes withdo s withdom. we need someone to take office who on day one can stand on the world stage, command the respect of world leaders like putin and our allies who knows what needs to be done. >> 40% of voters think a candidate under the age of 70 is more likely to defeat president trump. what do you say to them? >> well, i will say, that i will

outwork, outorganize and outlast anyone. and that includes donald trump, mike pence or whoever the republicans get stuck with. >> all right. switching over to the topic of impeachment, george p. kent, the senior state department official with the ukraine policy faced inquiry on the impeachment inquiry. telling nbc news that acting chief of staff mick mulvaney oversaw a may 23rd meeting where he tapped three appointees, rick perry, european ambassador gordon sondland and special envoy kurt volker. according to conconnollie, the three called themselves the three amigos and elbowed all other official. out of the way. and kent testified after the

meeting he was told to, quote, lay low, when he raised questions about president trump's attorney rudy giuliani. the white house is reportedly leading its own review of the president's view of ukraine. sources saying that "the new york times," is reporting that the white house is do an internal review. according to the "times," the lawyer's inquiry centers on why one of their colleagues john a. eisenberg placed a rough transcript of the call in a computer system typically reserved for the country's most closely guarded secrets. in a west wing already divided over publication of a transcript, it appears to be the latest example of administration officials rushing to protect themselves in the ukraine scandal. >> all right. joining us once again from washington, d.c., white house reporter for politico gabby orr. gabby, good to have you back.

what are some of the concerns with the white house's internal review of trump's ukraine call, and how impressive is it that the white house lawyer not representing president trump is opening this inquiry now? >> well, there's two major concerns for people inside this white house. number one is that this entire internal investigation, this internal inquiry, is basically being used to find a scalpegoat. somebody that can take the blame for president trump. whether it's john eisenberg, we don't know. but it certainly seems on the last reporting in the last 24 to 48 hours that he's somewhat of a controversial figure right now due to his handling of that phone call between president trump and president zelensky. the second part of this that's concerning is that it completely undermines the president's claim that the phone call with president zelensky is nothing but perfect. he's repeated it multiple times.

he said there's no wrongdoing on that phone call. there is nothing of concern to him which is one of the primary reasons he released the transcript. and yet having the white house regarding that phone call swhal undermines that entire narrative. and i do think this is something that a lot of house democrats are going to seize on as well in the coming days and point to, to say, look, it's not just us on capitol hill who think this is problematic. it's white house officials who are now looking into it themselves. >> let's talk, gabby, about the senior official in charge of u.s. policy george kent. what kind of light is this shedding on the potential inner workings with the situation with ukraine? >> well, the interesting thing here is george kent's testimony was consistent with a lot of the other hearings we've seen so far. the testimony that democratic lawmakers have talked about publicly. and that is that he, along with other career officials at the state department essentially

felt sidelined by the president and by his close circle of advisers. so, he and others at the state department, were replaced by rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney, out of the white house, by energy secretary rick perry. by others who really had no business conducting any type of foreign policy or diplomatic policy with ukraine, things that should have been left to state department officials like mr. kent, were instead taken over by giuliani and others. and the president allowed that. and oversaw it. and in some cases encouraged it. so, i do think this is really a key moment. the more that we hear from officials like mr. kent who can say this is not just a one-off experience, is this experience, this is a routine and deliberate attempt to sideline white house officials like myself, the more it builds a significant case that democrats can use in their impeachment inquiry. >> all right, thanks.

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own actions earlier on the day on "gma." meanwhile -- >> what hunter biden did was wrong the every level. if a republican had done the same thing would be front page news all over the world. i've asked rudy giuliani to come before our senate judiciary committee to talk about corruption in ukraine, if he does come and does tell us -- >> so president trump who has insisted that former vice president joe biden had helped his son's business interests in china weighed in as you can imagine on twitter. writing, hunter biden was really bad on "gma." now sleepy joe has real problems. reminds me of crooked hillary and her 33,000 deleted emails, not recoverable. >> let's get the weather with bill karins. >> this is going to be a big rainmaker and windmaker. there will be minor coastal flooding issues and a lot of

airport problems. two storms one over the great lakes right now. another one moving through the southeast. there's a ton of rain heading through kentucky, west virginia, now raining in many areas of western portions of virginia. this is all heading to the busy i-95 corridor as we go throughout the day. so as far as the rainfall totals go, looks like 1 to 3 inches that will be widespread. we'll have isolated rainfall up to 4 inches. the heaviest mostly towards the catskills, up towards hudson valley. new york will have its biggest rain event in the ear. d.c. and it's going to rain for a 46-hour period and it's going to be very heavy and windy and overridden and be done. on the back side, the winds will howl. we have two things, one with the airports with the rain. and then tomorrow, with the winds. there are a couple of wind advisories. the winds could gut up to 50 miles per hour.

the biggest issue is, still the load of leaves on the trees. what's going to happen with the wins picking up some of the leaves will come down and we'll get flash flooding. but also the leaves will catch the wind more and we'll get scattered power outages. peak winds today, 20 to 30-mile-per-hour range. boston up to 50. new york, in the 40-mile-per-hour range again, not the worst windstorm we've ever seen, but just enough that we'll have some minor problems. and here's the timing of this. so for washington, d.c., the peak of the rain, from 11:00 a.m. this morning to about 4:00 this afternoon. i have paused this right at 1:00 p.m. notice that philadelphia and new york city still pretty dry into the early afternoon. then as we go through this evening, the worst in new york city will be around 8:00 p.m. that's the heaviest rain. notice d.c., you're done by 6:00 p.m. new york city by 11:00 p.m. boston, more of an overnight issue and by the time we get to thursday morning, we clear it

out. as far as the airports go, the worst in d.c. through the daylight hours and new york city through the evening. we're fine, chilly in chicago. and dealing with rain there in the south. and by the time we get to tomorrow we start to clear things out, guys. we're lucky this isn't a winter nor nor'easter, it would be a big difference. set to come, bernie sanders with new reporting on that. and rudy giuliani and axios and the impeachment push. we're back in a moment. ( ♪ )

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one ball, one strike. in the air center field, this should do it, robles will squeeze it, and there it is! the washington nationals are national league champions! there will be a world series in d.c. >> wow, the washington nationals complete a four-game sweep of the st. louis cardinals. who would have ever imagined that with a 7-4 victory in last night's nlcs matchup. it earns the nats their first world series berth in franchise history. they'll now await the winner on the american league. houston astros hold a one game lead after last night's 4-1 victory in game 3 in the bronx. >> washington's got one good

thing going on it seems. >> i was going to say, it's the only thing anyone's getting excited about in washington. >> let's go to our in house baseball correspondent, mike barnicle. >> there he is. >> would you have ever predicted this mike barnicle after they lost bryce harper last year or traded him or got rid of him? >> you know, interesting, since the all star break in july, the three best teams in baseball have all been in the playoffs here, the yankees, the astros, and the washington nationals. you're absolutely correct. it's about time we have some good news we can pay attention to coming out of washington, d.c. first world series in washington since 1933. i was about 25 years old then. i had a great time at the series. i'm looking forward to this one. >> our in-house coverage of the world series every morning. >> let's go back to that historic picture of mike ba barnicle at 25 years old. >> we're going to have much more

baseball analysis. >> probably leaving the show with that. >> thank you to our baseball correspondent. democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez is expected to endorse bernie sanders. an adviser to senator sanders confirms to nbc news that the new york congresswoman will be the special guest at saturday's rally in new york city and is planning to endorse him. another member of the squad, congresswoman ilhan omar also announced her endorsement of sanders last night. she praised sanders' efforts to lead a working class movement to defeat donald trump and called him the best candidate to defeat the president in 2020. the sought after endorsement is a blow to senator elizabeth warren who's teamed up with ocasio-cortez on various causes. actress felicity huff man surrendered to authorities in dublin, california, for her role in the massive college

admissions scandal. she will also have to pay a fine of $30,000 and perform 250 hours of community service. the 56-year-old admitted to paying for someone to proctor and correct her daughter's college board exam, which led to a 400 point increase in her s.a.t. score. dozens of other parents have been charged in that scheme. up next, "axios" has a look at this morning's one big thing. and the latest in the impeachment push with key witnesses, mike pence and rudy giuliani refusing to cooperate in it. plus, five of the 12 candidates from last night's debate stage, former congressman beto o'rourke, mayor pete buttigieg, as well as corey wy k book booker, kamala harris and amy klobuchar joining "morning joe."

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look at "axios" a.m. jonathan swan, what is the one big thing? it better not be the nats winning the alcs. >> it's definitely not that. i follow cricket. the president of rudy giuliani, have been the thread in the closed door testimony of the house impeachment inquiry. senior administration officials are also trying to piece together the broader picture of what rudy giuliani has been up to over the last two and a half years. national security officials describe it as a, quote, shadow foreign policy, and it touches multiple countries. they're trying to figure out the nexus, if any exists between personal financial gain and official trump administration policy. we're not just talking about ukraine here. you've got "the washington post" report about giuliani lobbying trump to extradite one of erdogan, the turkish leader's

main enemies, who's a resident in america, and they're trying to figure out what else he has been pursuing behind the scenes over the last two and a half years. it's going to be a huge story over the next 6 to 12 months. >> talk about how much longer can this pace be sustained for both sides? is there impeachment fatigue setting in? >> yeah, look, some people in the house in particular are getting a bit burned out. these -- it's run at a very frenetic pace. the real question is when nancy pelosi is going to put this to a vote, and she feels she's passed that threshold where she's got enough where she can put some of her more vulnerable members on the spot. we have doing a lot of reporting in the senate and have not yet detected weakness or really concerning weakness for trump. there are a lot of republican

senators who privately would love to get rid of him, but their voters are not there yet. they're holding the line even if they felt they could get away tw it politically, they'd love nothing more than to flip on trump. >> jonathan swan live for us in washington, d.c. we're going to be reading "axios" a.m. in a little bit. you can sign up for that must read news letter at signup@"axios".com. >> that's it for us. "morning joe" starts now. the dairy charred nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from congress over the impeachment process away from congress and he became the judge and jury. >> 20 years ago you said that not complying with a subpoena -- >> nothing's changed. >> that is the correct answer. that's the correct answer. >> lindsey graham might want to tell mike pence and rudy giuliani that. >> you know what's so